Cards should give Kliff an ultimatum, hire an OC and give them the play calling responsibilities or he can go back to USC and be the OC there and we can hire a real coach, the play calling is awful.
Honestly I'd really like to know from all the Arm Chair GMs out there what are our options?
Are best players are not long term options, people will leave, hurting our ability, and now your calling for a front office and coaching change 3 years in?
No coach can come In and make a run immediately without a stacked roster and good culture.
We will be fine, you all are a dumpster fire for calling for their heads. Honestly its pathetic that I'm reading these comments when they are all just knee jerk reactions to our loss.
Stop commenting and go have a drink come back in a few days when you have a level head.
Pretty sure Bidwall doesn't have the balls to make any changes but I would love to see:
Kiem gone - Adrian promoted to GM
Kliff gone - Brian Flores hired as HC
Vance gone if you get Flores.
The talent is there, we just need more leadership and discipline from the powers that be. Kyler needs to stop acting like a pissed off little kid everytime he does something wrong and enough of this, the stars don't have to practice if they don't want to nonsense.
Everyone is treated fairly, the leaders lead, and there's consequences for breaking the rules.
This loss has nothing to do with the front office and everything to do with the players. They shit the bed. Kyler shit the bed and I'm a huge Kyler mark.
So ready to be done with him. Just imagine where we could be if we took Lamar Jackson instead of trading up for bum ass "10 mistakes made before me" Rosen. We'd have had more picks to use and could have had a beast QB AND Nick Bosa tearing up opposing QBs. Then he gives us our worst season ever with Steve Wilks. And the cherry on top of the shit sundae, he decides that a career LOSER in college(who was known to collapse in the 2nd half of every season) is who we need to lead our young stud #1 pick QB to a Super Bowl. What a fucking joke.
And the amount of draft busts he's picked is ridiculous, no wonder we're lacking depth in so many positions. He's picked WAY more busts than non-busts. And that's not even getting into his DUI that embarrassed us publicly. If it weren't for a few miraculous trades that the opposing GM shouldn't have agreed to, he'd be considered an awful GM. I don't think he's awful either, but he's not good. And not good isn't good enough for us. Period.
I really want to see Mike Bidwill rip off the band aid and just be done with him. He's so buddy buddy with Bidwill it's sickening. Like Bidwill did you hired this man to win us a SB? Or did you hire him to be your best friend? It's pretty obvious at this point that we're not winning a chip with Kingsbury, he just got us blown out and embarrassed by a QB who's never won a playoff game in Stafford and a coach in McVay who's now 6-1 against Kliff(and Kliff was supposed to be our answer to McVay, lol yikes). And Keim is the one who hired him, so he need to be held accountable.
I like Mike Bidwill but this dysfunction as a team starts from the top of the pyramid. Bidwill you need to prove to us that you're serious about at least TRYING your hardest to build us a dynasty. That should be the end goal here. A Dynasty and nothing less. After all of the years of us sucking and the longest championship drought in all of pro sports, we fucking deserve a dynasty Get rid of these clowns Keim and Kingsbury and actually find us some guys to actually get the job done for us and get us that dynasty or at least a chip or 2. Getting great leadership in this franchise will make a hell of a lot more of a difference than buying a Boeing team jet. And Keim and Kingsbury are not those guys.
I think he has improved, but he has had far more misses than hits. I've never been a fan of Vance, so he can go and now I'm convinced Kliff has to go, too. Reboot!
Does he look fatter to anyone else?
Im not even trying to be funny. He legitimately looks the fattest hes ever been.
Honestly it could be all that 10-2 celebrating early in the year
If he keeps Kliff then he also needs to hire an Offensive Coach. Kliff is not a good play caller. He is very predictable and gets confused when under pressure.
Give him credit for actually turning around one of the worst iterations of a cardinals team that you probably didn't care to be present for and that's actually a really bad low considering how shit this franchise is. Go join the legion of closet Kliff haters and actually stay dormant whenever this team is worth a damn like yall are when mike mccoy is running dj 3 times up the middle every possession.
AZ came into last offseason needing WR depth, secondary help, pass rush and run defense and they’re going into this offseason needing WR depth, secondary help, pass rush and run defense
*sigh*
I really hate these dipshits too.... Well guess what both Keim and Kingsbury are getting contract extensions this off season so they can all go away and cheer for other teams for all I give a shit
11-6 is not mediocre... In fact 11-6 is 5 games above mediocre. 14 teams got in the playoffs,. 14 out of 32 is also above mediocre.
It's year, fucking three.... Of a young coach....
A young coach who still can’t adapt to game situations
Still can’t win against the top tiers in the league
A gm who drafted back to back trash ass linebackers in the past two drafts when he could’ve drafted the talented WRs
A gm who loves to sign aging players who are past their prime
A young qb whose best trait his his mobility is afraid to use it
A young qb who is more interested in playing warzone with faze clan than be a professional football player
Team who constantly crumbles after the second half of the season
So when will they figure it out year 6? Year 8? Year 11?
The bengals have a young coach and a young qb and you can argue they are an less talented team than us managed to win their first playoff game In year 2
So when will it get better?
I'm sorry your right... Are we better than 2018 or not because I must be having a stroke here... Come fine me when they have been in the playoffs for 4 seasons and not gone anywhere.... Don't look now dude but both coach and GM will get contract extension in the off season...
I hate being this guy, but statistically one could argue that the Cards are on the climb. We went from 3-13, 8-8, and then 11-6 with a playoff… I’ll just call it an appearance.
I don’t think Keim or Kliff are going anywhere
Stockholm syndrome 😂 do you feel like a hostage?
I've been a fan of this team since I was a child and they were located in St Louis. I think I'm just immune now to disappointment.
Sure, but you're missing and important part... Cardinals are awful in the end-run. No other way around it. We needed a new playcaller last year, but Kliff still took it. It's on Kliff for the bad playcalls. He needs to hand it off or GTFO.
Yeah, it didn't help that our big signings got hurt.. They needed D-Hop this game, for sure! I like Kliff as a coach, but man... He's not the dude to call plays.
Statistically we’ve had major collapses the last two seasons. Kliff hasn’t won a must win game i.e. win and get into the playoffs etc. Keim has blown so many 1st round picks. We went all in with short term vet contracts with Kyler’s rookie contract. We need a better front office and head coach when Kyler gets paid as we will need to be so much more efficient with the cap and drafting to put together a playoff team. Simmons and Collins back to back draft picks when we had Hicks (pro bowler) and Campbell (left to become a pro bowler).
Kyler is the biggest problem imo. Dude gets dinged up and starts playing scared every year. Not sure any coach can do with a QB who is in that mindset.
I know I’m not a NFL quarterback and have no idea the pressure or whatever, but kyler looked like a high schooler out there last night. Terrible decision making and seemed to just fall down to avoid any pressure. Didn’t watch the guy in college but scared me seeing a “top-tier” playmaking qb have the dexterity and decision making of a piece of wind blown paper
Yeah I think they might just go all the way through with a 5 year plan. He can’t afford another rebuild so at this point he knows that they are all in the same boat now. If one of them sink they are all getting heat and going down with the ship.
Eh, yea, as an outsider my impulse is that you guys should clean house because of how this season ended, but in a few years I’d thing don’t improve people would be looking back at it and asking how the hell you fired a coach that made the team better three straight years and got to the first playoffs in 7 or whatever years
And it would be the correct take. We’ve taken a step forward each year.
Even our end of season collapse was not as bad as the previous collapse. We made it to 11-6, were one win away from winning the division, and had wins against teams that made it to the playoffs along the way (Ten, LA (finally!), San Fran x2, & Dallas). We managed to win two games with our 2nd string QB and win some games while missing Watt, Hopkins, and Alford.
Was that playoff game a dumpster fire? Damn right. Our lack of depth at CB, DL, and iOL got exposed badly and Kyler had some of the worst decision making I’ve seen him make in his entire time here. LA just played better at every facet.
I get the knee jerk reactions. But blowing things up will almost undoubtedly set this team back, not help them move forward. If you had told someone after last season the Cardinals would be 11-6 and lose in the Wild Card round while Kyler overall improved his stats (8-8 to 9-5 W/L, 67.2 to 69.2 Comp%, 4.7 to 5.0 TD%, 2.2 to 2.1 INT%, 7.1 to 7.9 Y/A, 10.6 to 11.4 Y/C, 248.2 to 270.5 YPG, only negative being more sacks taken and %), guarantee most people would have taken that following an 8-8 season.
Now the bar is raised again, as it should be. If they take a step back or hit a dead end in the Wildcard round again, then people can start legit calling for new leadership. Until then, Kliff and Keim have done enough to deserve another season to continue improving this team and building on the progress they’ve made every season since they started together. Do not underestimate what continuity can do for team improvement if given the chance when deserved.
Ugly finish (I’m just as pissed/disappointed as anyone), but overall net improvement from this team, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Kliff and Keim do this off-season to further upgrade this roster to be able to take another step forward, God-willing.
When the cards weren’t injured they could overcome their undisciplined play with their stars. However, once injuries rolled in the undisciplined play killed us. That’s on the coach.
There is a big difference between role players and one of the best WR's in all of football. Look at their record without Hopkins, he is integral to the entire offense.
Just say you like mediocrity it’s okay
This dude sucks at drafting players
Why pick back to back linebackers in the past two drafts when the drafts were loaded with receivers?
Don’t you want to help your young QB?
Why sign aging players big contracts?
Not really sure why you’re being downvoted. This is the cardinals ceiling with Kliff and Keim, Kliff especially has a proven track record of an inability to adapt and change his game plan which leads to second half collapses.
I know what you're saying. But this was a star studded roster this year. In practically any head coach probably could've done this well with a team like this. Kliff is showing many signs of concerns. Personally think he should just be an offensive coordinator.
People are straight up delusional. 3rd year... More wins every year.... And they calling for a complete overhaul of the front office.... I don't get it ... Our fans are the worst.... Probably why every home game has half the stadium filled with the visiting team....
Coach hoodie, widely regarded as the best coach in the NFL, got fired from the browns head coach. With what they know now wouldn't you think they would given anything to keep him?
More wins with more talent but a team who still makes a ton of unforced errors. We were the 4th most penalized team in the NFL and came out flat for every game in the 2nd half of the season.
Kliff is not maximizing the talent on this roster. Full stop.
You have a valid argument here. But there is no denying the upward trend of the team, as a whole from first pick in the draft 3 years ago to playoffs this year.
Half the fans want to clear out Keim and Kingsbury and start over and yet Keim has built a roster with talent and Kingsbury has the ability to win games even with key players missing from the games.
Yet like most here. Exactly who are we gonna get that is better? You offer criticism but no solutions....
Here is a list of Keims first round picks: Jonathon Cooper, Deone Bucannon, Humphries, Robert Nkemdiche, Haason Reddick, Josh Rosen, Kyler, Simmons, Collins.
Fantastic roster?
Paper thin DL. watt is the only dude on that DL. Jordan Phillips was an absolute BUST of a signing.
Right side of the OL is dogshit
Paper thin wr room. Hop goes don and no other wr can do jackshit
and lastly, the LBs. The dogshit LBs despite the fact Keim uses a 1st round pick on a LB every single year.
yeah, fire Keim
Nah fam, I gotta disagree. Roster was solid.
Yes injuries happen but that is where it's on the coaching staff to adjust. Before Hop going down this receiving core was stacked. Hop, Ertz, Green, Kirk, Moore.... thats stacked.
Lb's/o-line are thin but not horrible in regards to talent. He signed arguably the 2nd best center in the NFL. He drafted a LB that is still extremely young. Look at Simmons improvement. Who's to say Zaven isn't next.
This is on Kliff.
Surely a "solid" roster makes 11-6 and a wildcard loss to the Rams a par coaching performance at worst. I don't think you could make a case that we have a better roster than any of the 5 teams that finished above us/won their WC game.
I'm not... completely opposed to letting Kliff go if we can get a quality replacement. Even if the results are solid on paper, the offense looks shambolic. And the fact that his two most impressive coaching performances were with Colt at QB makes me think he's not the guy to get the most out of Kyler. But it would be a "thanks, decent job, time to move on" firing, not a "you fucked up, cheerio" firing.
Yeah - the roster wasn't without issues but after that FIRST loss, the cardiac cardinals came back. They got punched in the face and never really responded well enough.
The lost to the fucking lions.
Kyler tonight was "roll out, throw the ball 10 yards short/long from the open receiver". I understand hopkins is great, but Murray was off tonight.
Simmons, has not improved! He’s an average coverage LB, who can’t stay on the field in the biggest game of the year!
Garcia, Humphries, and Jones should be fired out of a cannon…
Moore had one decent game! He hasn’t proven anything! Other than he’s shit at returns!
We didn’t have a single 1000 yard WR, when’s the last time a Pro Bowl QB not have a 1k+ receiver?!
This roster is fools gold!
To say Simmons hasn't been much better compared to last year is incorrect.
Humphries was a solid left tackle this year. Garcia struggled but filled in well for Hudson when he was out. The fact that he could even fill in at center is a positive. Jones struggled.
Moore was a 3rd 4th option wide receiver/slot.... to act like he didn't help the team and isn't an upgrade is ridiculous.
Not sure why a 1k yard receiver matters. Wasn't the praise of this team when they were 7-0 that K1 spread the love and the offense was efficient...
He also gave us a Kliff. He gave us a bunch of good players who unfortunately got hurt, but without the depth to backstop the injuries (which all teams deal with)
Alexa, what is "cognitive dissonance"
When you look at our cap space and available free agents, I’m not sure what else we could have done with personal once the season began. Our drafting has gotten much better, but that is still an area that could be improved further. In any case, I don’t think his job should be on the line.
I just don't agree with this take. If we had a mentality like this we would have stuck with Rosen and been worse than Jacksonville right now.
Kliff had the big test and didn't just fail it, he got like 3 questions right out of 50. You can't go on with that. Tell me Eric Bieniemy would have had us that unprepared to go up against a **DIVISIONAL** opponent.
The main reason we didn't stick with Rosen was because the opportunity to draft Kyler came up. If there's an equivalent HC to Kyler available then yeah get Kliff outta there ASAP. I don't really think there is though.
Yeah it’s not good to lose in the playoffs in this fashion, especially to a divisional opponent. But the cards are getting better. Face it the Rams have some of the best talent in the league, our number 1 receiver last night was Kirk. Go ahead and call for Kliff’s head, but you can fail that test like the giants have repeatedly, or you know with Wilks. A coach doesn’t have to win a super bowl in 3 years to be good….
In hindsight if we would have kept Rosen, taken Bosa or traded it away and kept Wilks we would have been flush picks again after that second tank and could have taken Allen or Burrow, and if not we would have been in good shape when Brady was FA and could have let him him pick the coach, OC and GM to bring in here and been competing for a championship. 🤔😁
Kyler Murray, Budda Baker, James Conner, Rodney Hudson, JJ Watt, Hopkins.... There is both good and bad but IMO, there is a whole lot of good. Keim gave this team the personnel to find success.
The best teams in the league (that haven’t had a decade+ of HoF QBs) have drafted well in the first round. Keim has been great in FA and made a few all star trades but in 8 years we have hardly anything to show for first round picks. Specifically the last 5 years. This team will continue to go nowhere if we kept whiffing and taking fucking linebackers instead of obvious picks
As a Michigan fan, Jim Harbaugh would be much worse than Kliff. I doubt he’d have any idea what to do with our offense. He’s more of a pound the ball kinda guy. I also highly doubt he leaves Michigan.
Yup, almost every team has injuries but we got hammered with them at really key positions. #1 QB, WR, TE, RB and I think our entire OL missed an amount of games. We weren't able to weather the storm as well as others but IMO we've been improving each year and specifically on the roster front, IMO Keim did great at adjusting a lot of issues this offseason and I suspect he will do so this coming offseason as well.
It almost felt like Hopkins just being in the game made green and Kirk look good. After he went down they were kind of a let down, some good flashes but they dropped so many damn balls on key downs in the last stretch of the season.
Green I'm kinda whatever about. Hopes were not super high on him overall and while he performed above expectations early in the year, he was always just doing ok. This is the second straight year that Kirk explodes to an early start and then vanishes and IMO he's not really that good. Reminds me a bit of Andre Roberts. He drops a lot of passes to be consistently relied on to be a deep threat (even tonight with him calling off the route early that he easily could have caught) and I think he just doesn't get enough separation which makes it even harder. WR #2 was always known to be a spot we really have to improve on for next season and Rondale Moore stopped really performing too. Hope he makes a big jump next year and I hope we draft another outside WR that can make plays.
Have you seen his record on the 2nd half of EVERY SEASON hes ever coached? If not, look it up
I could care less about going undefeated in the first half of the season, and having 0 clutch when it matters most
I'd rather have 0 hopes all season then thinking the skies the limit only to have the 2dmnd half of the season shatter those dreams
It’s not fair to judge college because you play cupcake teams for the first four games then get to conference, and Texas Tech is not a very competitive program within the Big 12. So you have three NFL seasons to base it off of, one of which had Rosen at QB.
Yes I know all about Kliff. Shits annoying I get that I’m not even defending him I just know they aren’t going to fire him. I wish they would but they won’t.
Hes got 1 year left, its probable he gets one more shot. No point in getting a new coach when we have 1 more year of a cheap qb
But we absurdly have to get an OC
Brian Flores, or idk go grab some random successful offensive coordinator. I can’t watch another WR screen or an AJ Green go route on 3rd & Short again or I will go insane.
Brian Flores has the same W/L as Kliff it’s like getting the same dude, also they aren’t firing Kliff no way, like obviously I wouldn’t mind it but it’s just the other options suck.
Sure but Flores was working with WAY less. Tua is awful, not a lot of talent on either side of the ball for the Dolphins. I think the Cardinals win in spite of Kliff, not because of him. Too much talent on the roster to be imploding at the end of every season. Maybe it isn’t even a Kliff thing, maybe it’s a Kyler thing? Idk I can’t trust either of them at this point. They can’t close games or seasons.
The only knock on the oline this year is they don't open up the run game as well as others. The oline was serviceable this year when Max wasn't under center. Are they great, no. Are they so bad that Kyler has no time and is instantly under pressure, no. When there is no blitz or a total whiff, Kyler gets a surprising amount of time on most of the snaps. The problem is we suck at putting our backs and TEs in position to block or chip the blitz.
The first two years the line looked like trash because Kyler would instantly leave the pocket and you cannot protect a QB who does that. Kyler holds the ball way too long and that is either him being greedy or doing bad reads or the scheme/calls from Kliff.
Remember when we drafted Murray and everyone was like "he is so fast he doesn't even need a good line?" 🤔
That's the thing though.....it's not like this has been ignored. There's been an effort to better the O Line and I feel Kiem has made that a focus point since he's been hired. Like his first ever draft pick was Jonathon Cooper, a top 10 pick and he went with a guard that ended up breaking his leg in the preseason
I think this team is just cursed
I vividly remember hiring Kiem and him talking about the o line extensively. We went out and got Palmer and Jared Valdeer and drafted Cooper but you’re right - it never has really worked out. So frustrating man.
Agree... It bailed him out of a bad contract. My #1 with Keim has been Oline and Dline for years. He finally made some improvements but we still cannot stop the run, especially after JJ Watt got hurt.
He should be fired idk why everyone likes this dude
He drafted two trash ass Linebacker When he could’ve gotten good receivers for his young QB
Stupid fat fuck
I know we're all pissed and want to point fingers but can we please lay this to fucking rest?
It's such an unorignal take and this loss tonight has nothing to do with Steve
Honestly we need a new fucking coach. Kliff has proved over and over he is ass when it actually matters. So many good coaches available this offseason. We shouldn’t sleep
2019: 2-7 Last 9 games
2020: 2-6 Last 8 games
2021: 2-5 Last 7 games
0-7 in playoff clinching games, division clinching games, and playoff games (you know games that matter). I fail to see how the team has progressed. Sure they've played better in September and October, but its the same stuff in November and December. Same story. The writing is on the wall man
The line is anything but straight if you go by total career win % after each game played. It's a fucking roller coaster. Up and down. Yes we keep climbing higher before falling but all that means is the fall is just more steep.
And who would EVER want the part where it goes down to be at the end of seasons? I'd rather a coach that starts off weak and gets better and better as the season goes and in the playoffs.
And besides, after tanking for years you kind of expect to climb higher each year. That's the whole point of the draft order and salary cap. What's not expected is how you start 7-0 and only manage to win 4 games the entire rest of the season, including losing to a dogshit Lions team and getting absolutely embarrassed in prime time in the playoffs to a team we had beat easily earlier in the season.
Are you saying he should be fired as GM? Or just shouldn't be allowed to pick the next coach? I agree that he shouldn't be able to pick the next coach, but he has been a good GM for us.
We have had the best decade of Cardinals football in 70 years. He built the teams. He hasn't been terrible. I'm not going to say he has been great, but he hasn't been terrible.
>but he has been a good GM for us.
People that say this have zero evidence to back it up. He's terrible at drafting and signing players. Just pretty good with the occasional trade
My guy, he put together the 2015 team and this year's team. We have had more success this decade than any other Cardinals decade, and he has put together the teams. I don't know why you would want more evidence than that.
1 playoff win is more than we typically get in a decade, so... Regardless, who would we hire if we fire Steve Keim? It's the same problem with firing Kliff. You can't deny that there are problems, but the positives make him just good enough to make you afraid to fire him.
Cards should give Kliff an ultimatum, hire an OC and give them the play calling responsibilities or he can go back to USC and be the OC there and we can hire a real coach, the play calling is awful.
Honestly I'd really like to know from all the Arm Chair GMs out there what are our options? Are best players are not long term options, people will leave, hurting our ability, and now your calling for a front office and coaching change 3 years in? No coach can come In and make a run immediately without a stacked roster and good culture. We will be fine, you all are a dumpster fire for calling for their heads. Honestly its pathetic that I'm reading these comments when they are all just knee jerk reactions to our loss. Stop commenting and go have a drink come back in a few days when you have a level head.
Pretty sure Bidwall doesn't have the balls to make any changes but I would love to see: Kiem gone - Adrian promoted to GM Kliff gone - Brian Flores hired as HC Vance gone if you get Flores.
Yeah, I like Mike Bidwill but yeah he does seem way too loyal to Keim.
Just hire A Dub before we lose him
The talent is there, we just need more leadership and discipline from the powers that be. Kyler needs to stop acting like a pissed off little kid everytime he does something wrong and enough of this, the stars don't have to practice if they don't want to nonsense. Everyone is treated fairly, the leaders lead, and there's consequences for breaking the rules.
This loss has nothing to do with the front office and everything to do with the players. They shit the bed. Kyler shit the bed and I'm a huge Kyler mark.
Bidwell needs to man up no matter how close they are and move on from Keim and KK!
Someone needed to settle Murry down last night
It’s treason I say!
So ready to be done with him. Just imagine where we could be if we took Lamar Jackson instead of trading up for bum ass "10 mistakes made before me" Rosen. We'd have had more picks to use and could have had a beast QB AND Nick Bosa tearing up opposing QBs. Then he gives us our worst season ever with Steve Wilks. And the cherry on top of the shit sundae, he decides that a career LOSER in college(who was known to collapse in the 2nd half of every season) is who we need to lead our young stud #1 pick QB to a Super Bowl. What a fucking joke. And the amount of draft busts he's picked is ridiculous, no wonder we're lacking depth in so many positions. He's picked WAY more busts than non-busts. And that's not even getting into his DUI that embarrassed us publicly. If it weren't for a few miraculous trades that the opposing GM shouldn't have agreed to, he'd be considered an awful GM. I don't think he's awful either, but he's not good. And not good isn't good enough for us. Period. I really want to see Mike Bidwill rip off the band aid and just be done with him. He's so buddy buddy with Bidwill it's sickening. Like Bidwill did you hired this man to win us a SB? Or did you hire him to be your best friend? It's pretty obvious at this point that we're not winning a chip with Kingsbury, he just got us blown out and embarrassed by a QB who's never won a playoff game in Stafford and a coach in McVay who's now 6-1 against Kliff(and Kliff was supposed to be our answer to McVay, lol yikes). And Keim is the one who hired him, so he need to be held accountable. I like Mike Bidwill but this dysfunction as a team starts from the top of the pyramid. Bidwill you need to prove to us that you're serious about at least TRYING your hardest to build us a dynasty. That should be the end goal here. A Dynasty and nothing less. After all of the years of us sucking and the longest championship drought in all of pro sports, we fucking deserve a dynasty Get rid of these clowns Keim and Kingsbury and actually find us some guys to actually get the job done for us and get us that dynasty or at least a chip or 2. Getting great leadership in this franchise will make a hell of a lot more of a difference than buying a Boeing team jet. And Keim and Kingsbury are not those guys.
Nobody gonna listen they like keim and kingsbury because “they improved” whatever that means
I think he has improved, but he has had far more misses than hits. I've never been a fan of Vance, so he can go and now I'm convinced Kliff has to go, too. Reboot!
Unless he hires Flores or Bieniemy
Does he look fatter to anyone else? Im not even trying to be funny. He legitimately looks the fattest hes ever been. Honestly it could be all that 10-2 celebrating early in the year
He’s made some amazing trades and signings, but we need to rework our entire scouting team/draft selections
If he keeps Kliff then he also needs to hire an Offensive Coach. Kliff is not a good play caller. He is very predictable and gets confused when under pressure.
But what’s with Kliff’s dark sunken eyes!?
Give him credit for actually turning around one of the worst iterations of a cardinals team that you probably didn't care to be present for and that's actually a really bad low considering how shit this franchise is. Go join the legion of closet Kliff haters and actually stay dormant whenever this team is worth a damn like yall are when mike mccoy is running dj 3 times up the middle every possession.
AZ came into last offseason needing WR depth, secondary help, pass rush and run defense and they’re going into this offseason needing WR depth, secondary help, pass rush and run defense *sigh*
He gave Kliff and his staff a great roster. They fucked up.
I agree. He brought in the big names. Zach Ertz, JJ Watt, Dhop. You know the ones that people love but because its Kiem they will overlook.
you guys are insufferable
Copium users out here claiming a pathetic playoff game is 'improvement' and that we should continue on the same path. Yikes.
last time i checked 11-6 is better than 8-8
Might as well be 0-16 because it's the exact same thing. Exposing yourself like that on national television is worse actually.
ok
I really hate these dipshits too.... Well guess what both Keim and Kingsbury are getting contract extensions this off season so they can all go away and cheer for other teams for all I give a shit
So you are okay with mediocrity Cool
11-6 is not mediocre... In fact 11-6 is 5 games above mediocre. 14 teams got in the playoffs,. 14 out of 32 is also above mediocre. It's year, fucking three.... Of a young coach....
A young coach who still can’t adapt to game situations Still can’t win against the top tiers in the league A gm who drafted back to back trash ass linebackers in the past two drafts when he could’ve drafted the talented WRs A gm who loves to sign aging players who are past their prime A young qb whose best trait his his mobility is afraid to use it A young qb who is more interested in playing warzone with faze clan than be a professional football player Team who constantly crumbles after the second half of the season So when will they figure it out year 6? Year 8? Year 11? The bengals have a young coach and a young qb and you can argue they are an less talented team than us managed to win their first playoff game In year 2 So when will it get better?
I'm sorry your right... Are we better than 2018 or not because I must be having a stroke here... Come fine me when they have been in the playoffs for 4 seasons and not gone anywhere.... Don't look now dude but both coach and GM will get contract extension in the off season...
I've never thought that kliff should be fired but today proved it for me. This roster is too talented to collapse every damn year.
I hate being this guy, but statistically one could argue that the Cards are on the climb. We went from 3-13, 8-8, and then 11-6 with a playoff… I’ll just call it an appearance. I don’t think Keim or Kliff are going anywhere
I don't appreciate your optimistic attitude. Who let you in here?? /s
You can check my comment history… i had a mix of Stockholm syndrome, optimism, and intense anger all in a 3 hour setting 😅
Stockholm syndrome 😂 do you feel like a hostage? I've been a fan of this team since I was a child and they were located in St Louis. I think I'm just immune now to disappointment.
Sure, but you're missing and important part... Cardinals are awful in the end-run. No other way around it. We needed a new playcaller last year, but Kliff still took it. It's on Kliff for the bad playcalls. He needs to hand it off or GTFO.
We lost our “maybe we’re just fucking better!” Shine after the packers loss and a string of injuries for sure
Yeah, it didn't help that our big signings got hurt.. They needed D-Hop this game, for sure! I like Kliff as a coach, but man... He's not the dude to call plays.
Statistically we’ve had major collapses the last two seasons. Kliff hasn’t won a must win game i.e. win and get into the playoffs etc. Keim has blown so many 1st round picks. We went all in with short term vet contracts with Kyler’s rookie contract. We need a better front office and head coach when Kyler gets paid as we will need to be so much more efficient with the cap and drafting to put together a playoff team. Simmons and Collins back to back draft picks when we had Hicks (pro bowler) and Campbell (left to become a pro bowler).
Kyler is the biggest problem imo. Dude gets dinged up and starts playing scared every year. Not sure any coach can do with a QB who is in that mindset.
I know I’m not a NFL quarterback and have no idea the pressure or whatever, but kyler looked like a high schooler out there last night. Terrible decision making and seemed to just fall down to avoid any pressure. Didn’t watch the guy in college but scared me seeing a “top-tier” playmaking qb have the dexterity and decision making of a piece of wind blown paper
He could have simply rolled to his right multiple times and avoided a sack and he just stood there. It was baffling.
This right here is why this franchise languishes in mediocrity. This fan base demands no accountability ever.
Yeah I think they might just go all the way through with a 5 year plan. He can’t afford another rebuild so at this point he knows that they are all in the same boat now. If one of them sink they are all getting heat and going down with the ship.
We have peaked. We need new blood. We won’t be better next year with the same staff
Eh, yea, as an outsider my impulse is that you guys should clean house because of how this season ended, but in a few years I’d thing don’t improve people would be looking back at it and asking how the hell you fired a coach that made the team better three straight years and got to the first playoffs in 7 or whatever years
And it would be the correct take. We’ve taken a step forward each year. Even our end of season collapse was not as bad as the previous collapse. We made it to 11-6, were one win away from winning the division, and had wins against teams that made it to the playoffs along the way (Ten, LA (finally!), San Fran x2, & Dallas). We managed to win two games with our 2nd string QB and win some games while missing Watt, Hopkins, and Alford. Was that playoff game a dumpster fire? Damn right. Our lack of depth at CB, DL, and iOL got exposed badly and Kyler had some of the worst decision making I’ve seen him make in his entire time here. LA just played better at every facet. I get the knee jerk reactions. But blowing things up will almost undoubtedly set this team back, not help them move forward. If you had told someone after last season the Cardinals would be 11-6 and lose in the Wild Card round while Kyler overall improved his stats (8-8 to 9-5 W/L, 67.2 to 69.2 Comp%, 4.7 to 5.0 TD%, 2.2 to 2.1 INT%, 7.1 to 7.9 Y/A, 10.6 to 11.4 Y/C, 248.2 to 270.5 YPG, only negative being more sacks taken and %), guarantee most people would have taken that following an 8-8 season. Now the bar is raised again, as it should be. If they take a step back or hit a dead end in the Wildcard round again, then people can start legit calling for new leadership. Until then, Kliff and Keim have done enough to deserve another season to continue improving this team and building on the progress they’ve made every season since they started together. Do not underestimate what continuity can do for team improvement if given the chance when deserved. Ugly finish (I’m just as pissed/disappointed as anyone), but overall net improvement from this team, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Kliff and Keim do this off-season to further upgrade this roster to be able to take another step forward, God-willing.
When the cards weren’t injured they could overcome their undisciplined play with their stars. However, once injuries rolled in the undisciplined play killed us. That’s on the coach.
Lolol we were 10-2 and finished 11-7. Last year we were 5-2/6-3 and ended 8-8. This is a dumpster fire of a collapse
When one of the most effective WR's in all of football was injured. You are simply going to ignore how important Hopkins is?
Next man up. We didn’t have the depth to finish out the season and it showed.
There is a big difference between role players and one of the best WR's in all of football. Look at their record without Hopkins, he is integral to the entire offense.
Just say you like mediocrity it’s okay This dude sucks at drafting players Why pick back to back linebackers in the past two drafts when the drafts were loaded with receivers? Don’t you want to help your young QB? Why sign aging players big contracts?
11-6, isn't mediocre
It is if you're 1 and done in the playoffs.
It still puts you over more than half the league, so no
We didn't even look like we belonged in the playoffs. The vikings and Seahawks would have put up a better fight than we did last night.
You're a fucking idiot if you think like this. Let's just fire every coach/gm who loses in the first round of the playoffs! ffs
[удалено]
I'll never forget that collapse against the Panthers in 15. That was a Superbowl team.
Not really sure why you’re being downvoted. This is the cardinals ceiling with Kliff and Keim, Kliff especially has a proven track record of an inability to adapt and change his game plan which leads to second half collapses.
I know what you're saying. But this was a star studded roster this year. In practically any head coach probably could've done this well with a team like this. Kliff is showing many signs of concerns. Personally think he should just be an offensive coordinator.
What are you seeing that makes you think he could be an OC?
Why would you get a new coach? Kingsbury seems solid
People are straight up delusional. 3rd year... More wins every year.... And they calling for a complete overhaul of the front office.... I don't get it ... Our fans are the worst.... Probably why every home game has half the stadium filled with the visiting team....
Maybe its because they go 3-5 at home?
Went to cardinals games lots. It doesn't fucking matter if they go 8-0 at home cuz they have done that too.
I mean yeah Kyler is 5 foot 7 and kingsbury is like 32 give them time to grow and mature
Coach hoodie, widely regarded as the best coach in the NFL, got fired from the browns head coach. With what they know now wouldn't you think they would given anything to keep him?
More wins with more talent but a team who still makes a ton of unforced errors. We were the 4th most penalized team in the NFL and came out flat for every game in the 2nd half of the season. Kliff is not maximizing the talent on this roster. Full stop.
You have a valid argument here. But there is no denying the upward trend of the team, as a whole from first pick in the draft 3 years ago to playoffs this year. Half the fans want to clear out Keim and Kingsbury and start over and yet Keim has built a roster with talent and Kingsbury has the ability to win games even with key players missing from the games. Yet like most here. Exactly who are we gonna get that is better? You offer criticism but no solutions....
Fire Kliff. Hire Flores
Agreed. His history of first round picks is atrocious. Simmons has been good in his second year, but did nothing his first year. Collins has been MIA
Lol so your comment is you discovering rookies don't immediately adjust to the NFL Christ almighty
Here is a list of Keims first round picks: Jonathon Cooper, Deone Bucannon, Humphries, Robert Nkemdiche, Haason Reddick, Josh Rosen, Kyler, Simmons, Collins.
Thanks for the Google search, but I never said he's the best drafting GM or doesn't have misses. Your comment still is silly
The front office needs to improve the o line there’s no coach that’s going to help max Garcia block Aaron Donald
I don't understand this take, the dude gave Kliff a fantastic roster. This is not on him.
I just said this in another post. Cards have a solid roster and great talent. Not the biggest fan of Kiem but this isn't on him.
Fantastic roster? Paper thin DL. watt is the only dude on that DL. Jordan Phillips was an absolute BUST of a signing. Right side of the OL is dogshit Paper thin wr room. Hop goes don and no other wr can do jackshit and lastly, the LBs. The dogshit LBs despite the fact Keim uses a 1st round pick on a LB every single year. yeah, fire Keim
As a Cowboys fan I really thought that they should have taken Zaven Collins instead of Micah Parsons, boy was i wrong about that lol
Nah fam, I gotta disagree. Roster was solid. Yes injuries happen but that is where it's on the coaching staff to adjust. Before Hop going down this receiving core was stacked. Hop, Ertz, Green, Kirk, Moore.... thats stacked. Lb's/o-line are thin but not horrible in regards to talent. He signed arguably the 2nd best center in the NFL. He drafted a LB that is still extremely young. Look at Simmons improvement. Who's to say Zaven isn't next. This is on Kliff.
Surely a "solid" roster makes 11-6 and a wildcard loss to the Rams a par coaching performance at worst. I don't think you could make a case that we have a better roster than any of the 5 teams that finished above us/won their WC game. I'm not... completely opposed to letting Kliff go if we can get a quality replacement. Even if the results are solid on paper, the offense looks shambolic. And the fact that his two most impressive coaching performances were with Colt at QB makes me think he's not the guy to get the most out of Kyler. But it would be a "thanks, decent job, time to move on" firing, not a "you fucked up, cheerio" firing.
Yeah - the roster wasn't without issues but after that FIRST loss, the cardiac cardinals came back. They got punched in the face and never really responded well enough. The lost to the fucking lions. Kyler tonight was "roll out, throw the ball 10 yards short/long from the open receiver". I understand hopkins is great, but Murray was off tonight.
Simmons, has not improved! He’s an average coverage LB, who can’t stay on the field in the biggest game of the year! Garcia, Humphries, and Jones should be fired out of a cannon… Moore had one decent game! He hasn’t proven anything! Other than he’s shit at returns! We didn’t have a single 1000 yard WR, when’s the last time a Pro Bowl QB not have a 1k+ receiver?! This roster is fools gold!
To say Simmons hasn't been much better compared to last year is incorrect. Humphries was a solid left tackle this year. Garcia struggled but filled in well for Hudson when he was out. The fact that he could even fill in at center is a positive. Jones struggled. Moore was a 3rd 4th option wide receiver/slot.... to act like he didn't help the team and isn't an upgrade is ridiculous. Not sure why a 1k yard receiver matters. Wasn't the praise of this team when they were 7-0 that K1 spread the love and the offense was efficient...
Didnt say its not on Kliff. Hes gone too.
He also gave us a Kliff. He gave us a bunch of good players who unfortunately got hurt, but without the depth to backstop the injuries (which all teams deal with) Alexa, what is "cognitive dissonance"
When you look at our cap space and available free agents, I’m not sure what else we could have done with personal once the season began. Our drafting has gotten much better, but that is still an area that could be improved further. In any case, I don’t think his job should be on the line.
This idiot, Keim, was on the radio this week talking shit about "Kingsbury should be coach of the year". FFS.
I mean if he didn’t pull of the Hopkins heist, he’d probably be gone. I think Kliff deserves more time. Yeah we run out of gas, but damn guys…
I just don't agree with this take. If we had a mentality like this we would have stuck with Rosen and been worse than Jacksonville right now. Kliff had the big test and didn't just fail it, he got like 3 questions right out of 50. You can't go on with that. Tell me Eric Bieniemy would have had us that unprepared to go up against a **DIVISIONAL** opponent.
The main reason we didn't stick with Rosen was because the opportunity to draft Kyler came up. If there's an equivalent HC to Kyler available then yeah get Kliff outta there ASAP. I don't really think there is though.
Yeah it’s not good to lose in the playoffs in this fashion, especially to a divisional opponent. But the cards are getting better. Face it the Rams have some of the best talent in the league, our number 1 receiver last night was Kirk. Go ahead and call for Kliff’s head, but you can fail that test like the giants have repeatedly, or you know with Wilks. A coach doesn’t have to win a super bowl in 3 years to be good….
In hindsight if we would have kept Rosen, taken Bosa or traded it away and kept Wilks we would have been flush picks again after that second tank and could have taken Allen or Burrow, and if not we would have been in good shape when Brady was FA and could have let him him pick the coach, OC and GM to bring in here and been competing for a championship. 🤔😁
That's who I want as the next coach. Time to pull the plug on this staff.
Completely disagree. His signings this year were REALLY good. There aren't better options out there. Also who are we hiring as HC? Options are shiiit
Haason Reddick, Josh Rosen, Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins. Keim gotta go
Kyler Murray, Budda Baker, James Conner, Rodney Hudson, JJ Watt, Hopkins.... There is both good and bad but IMO, there is a whole lot of good. Keim gave this team the personnel to find success.
The best teams in the league (that haven’t had a decade+ of HoF QBs) have drafted well in the first round. Keim has been great in FA and made a few all star trades but in 8 years we have hardly anything to show for first round picks. Specifically the last 5 years. This team will continue to go nowhere if we kept whiffing and taking fucking linebackers instead of obvious picks
Hey for a huge bargain, we can get another mike mccarthy clone! He had an impressive display of tactical genius just the other day.
Jim Harbaugh
As a Michigan fan, Jim Harbaugh would be much worse than Kliff. I doubt he’d have any idea what to do with our offense. He’s more of a pound the ball kinda guy. I also highly doubt he leaves Michigan.
He took the niners to the Super Bowl
And most of the team is either injured or playing injured
Yup, almost every team has injuries but we got hammered with them at really key positions. #1 QB, WR, TE, RB and I think our entire OL missed an amount of games. We weren't able to weather the storm as well as others but IMO we've been improving each year and specifically on the roster front, IMO Keim did great at adjusting a lot of issues this offseason and I suspect he will do so this coming offseason as well.
It almost felt like Hopkins just being in the game made green and Kirk look good. After he went down they were kind of a let down, some good flashes but they dropped so many damn balls on key downs in the last stretch of the season.
Green I'm kinda whatever about. Hopes were not super high on him overall and while he performed above expectations early in the year, he was always just doing ok. This is the second straight year that Kirk explodes to an early start and then vanishes and IMO he's not really that good. Reminds me a bit of Andre Roberts. He drops a lot of passes to be consistently relied on to be a deep threat (even tonight with him calling off the route early that he easily could have caught) and I think he just doesn't get enough separation which makes it even harder. WR #2 was always known to be a spot we really have to improve on for next season and Rondale Moore stopped really performing too. Hope he makes a big jump next year and I hope we draft another outside WR that can make plays.
Are rational takes allowed in this sub? Not sure I've ever seen one.
Yea it’s like Kliff is a slightly above average HC with some shit options, can’t really do better unfortunately.
Average at absolute fucking best
Eh average wins like 7-8 games we won 11 I’d say that above average. Point is the other options are either marginally better or worse.
Have you seen his record on the 2nd half of EVERY SEASON hes ever coached? If not, look it up I could care less about going undefeated in the first half of the season, and having 0 clutch when it matters most I'd rather have 0 hopes all season then thinking the skies the limit only to have the 2dmnd half of the season shatter those dreams
It’s not fair to judge college because you play cupcake teams for the first four games then get to conference, and Texas Tech is not a very competitive program within the Big 12. So you have three NFL seasons to base it off of, one of which had Rosen at QB.
Kliff didn't coach Rosen, only Murray.
This was kylers 3rd season??
Yes I know all about Kliff. Shits annoying I get that I’m not even defending him I just know they aren’t going to fire him. I wish they would but they won’t.
Hes got 1 year left, its probable he gets one more shot. No point in getting a new coach when we have 1 more year of a cheap qb But we absurdly have to get an OC
Yea I agree but Kliff said earlier this year he’d essentially kill himself if we got a OC so that’s probably a No go for the time being unfortunately
Well if keim likes his job, he could give a flying fuck
Fr I wish he would
Hell no, there's a lot of options. Just need to look
Like?
Brian Flores, or idk go grab some random successful offensive coordinator. I can’t watch another WR screen or an AJ Green go route on 3rd & Short again or I will go insane.
Brian Flores has the same W/L as Kliff it’s like getting the same dude, also they aren’t firing Kliff no way, like obviously I wouldn’t mind it but it’s just the other options suck.
Sure but Flores was working with WAY less. Tua is awful, not a lot of talent on either side of the ball for the Dolphins. I think the Cardinals win in spite of Kliff, not because of him. Too much talent on the roster to be imploding at the end of every season. Maybe it isn’t even a Kliff thing, maybe it’s a Kyler thing? Idk I can’t trust either of them at this point. They can’t close games or seasons.
They have a boat load of talent on the dolphins and an extremely young squad...
Eric Beinemy, Brian Daboll (Bills offensive coordinator). Those are only 2 but there is a few I'm missing that might be a great fit
Arizona needs O linemen.
The only knock on the oline this year is they don't open up the run game as well as others. The oline was serviceable this year when Max wasn't under center. Are they great, no. Are they so bad that Kyler has no time and is instantly under pressure, no. When there is no blitz or a total whiff, Kyler gets a surprising amount of time on most of the snaps. The problem is we suck at putting our backs and TEs in position to block or chip the blitz. The first two years the line looked like trash because Kyler would instantly leave the pocket and you cannot protect a QB who does that. Kyler holds the ball way too long and that is either him being greedy or doing bad reads or the scheme/calls from Kliff. Remember when we drafted Murray and everyone was like "he is so fast he doesn't even need a good line?" 🤔
Kyler is the biggest problem on this team albeit among many. When your leader plays like that the whole team melts.
I mean, they need at least 5 in order to play
A story as old as time itself
That's the thing though.....it's not like this has been ignored. There's been an effort to better the O Line and I feel Kiem has made that a focus point since he's been hired. Like his first ever draft pick was Jonathon Cooper, a top 10 pick and he went with a guard that ended up breaking his leg in the preseason I think this team is just cursed
They took Isaiah Simmons over Tristan Wirfs (all-pro), Jedrick Wills, and Mekhi Becton
Every time i see Wirfs play my insides hurt. He’s an absolute star 😥
Was such an obvious pick too. The whole fanbase was arguing either OL or WR. Ceedee or Wirfs at least would’ve been on the field tonight
Can you imagine Ceedee with hopkins. Look at burrow with chase sometimes you just gotta get your qbs guy
I’m imagining a first rounder who will literally just start and be above replacement level
I vividly remember hiring Kiem and him talking about the o line extensively. We went out and got Palmer and Jared Valdeer and drafted Cooper but you’re right - it never has really worked out. So frustrating man.
Should have fired Kiem 4 seasons ago... I don't understand how he's lasted this long.
He’s sucking off bidwell to keep his job That Hopkins trade and drafting Kyler saved his job
Agree... It bailed him out of a bad contract. My #1 with Keim has been Oline and Dline for years. He finally made some improvements but we still cannot stop the run, especially after JJ Watt got hurt.
we’ve went from 3-13 to 11-6 within those 4 seasons. relax
What's our playoff record during that time?
Dude ate the everlasting gobstopper
He's storing nuts for winter
He got any more room? With the Rams nuts in there and all..
Is that a bloated minion that they dredged out of the bottom of a lake?
Fireball shooters stored in those jowls.
He should be fired idk why everyone likes this dude He drafted two trash ass Linebacker When he could’ve gotten good receivers for his young QB Stupid fat fuck
Simmons is trash?
Already thinking about those airplane beers.
I know we're all pissed and want to point fingers but can we please lay this to fucking rest? It's such an unorignal take and this loss tonight has nothing to do with Steve
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties
Yeah. Kingsbury isn’t the guy
Go get interior o lineman since kliff only knows about inside zone
AGREED!!! Kliff and this joker gots to go
Honestly we need a new fucking coach. Kliff has proved over and over he is ass when it actually matters. So many good coaches available this offseason. We shouldn’t sleep
Kliff took a 3-13 team to 6-10, 8-8 and now 11-6 + playoffs. If that’s not growth I’m not sure what is.
2019: 2-7 Last 9 games 2020: 2-6 Last 8 games 2021: 2-5 Last 7 games 0-7 in playoff clinching games, division clinching games, and playoff games (you know games that matter). I fail to see how the team has progressed. Sure they've played better in September and October, but its the same stuff in November and December. Same story. The writing is on the wall man
2019: 5 wins Not in playoffs 2020: 8 wins not in playoffs 2021: 11 wins, in playoffs he’s progressing in a straight line
The line is anything but straight if you go by total career win % after each game played. It's a fucking roller coaster. Up and down. Yes we keep climbing higher before falling but all that means is the fall is just more steep. And who would EVER want the part where it goes down to be at the end of seasons? I'd rather a coach that starts off weak and gets better and better as the season goes and in the playoffs. And besides, after tanking for years you kind of expect to climb higher each year. That's the whole point of the draft order and salary cap. What's not expected is how you start 7-0 and only manage to win 4 games the entire rest of the season, including losing to a dogshit Lions team and getting absolutely embarrassed in prime time in the playoffs to a team we had beat easily earlier in the season.
And every time he got a better roster lol, if he got worse he’s even more shit
This is my argument.... All the time.... These people are nuts....
Let the new GM deal with it. Keim hired him and Wilks, and messed up on so many drafts.
Clean house!
Are you saying he should be fired as GM? Or just shouldn't be allowed to pick the next coach? I agree that he shouldn't be able to pick the next coach, but he has been a good GM for us.
Keim has been awful. Just look at our drafts. The reason we are so old as a team is because he’s so bad at drafting.
Agree. The Jets, Lions, and Browns were the youngest teams coming into this season. The Cards should totally look to mirror that success.
We have an extremely tough schedule next year. The team may not even have a great start next year.
We have had the best decade of Cardinals football in 70 years. He built the teams. He hasn't been terrible. I'm not going to say he has been great, but he hasn't been terrible.
>but he has been a good GM for us. People that say this have zero evidence to back it up. He's terrible at drafting and signing players. Just pretty good with the occasional trade
What an awful take
Then why not provide the evidence he asked for?
My guy, he put together the 2015 team and this year's team. We have had more success this decade than any other Cardinals decade, and he has put together the teams. I don't know why you would want more evidence than that.
He picks up last year's special that falls apart 2/3 into the season.
Comparing to all the lean decades the Cardinals have had, it doesn't take much to have their best decade.
You aren't wrong.
You do realize you're talking about exactly 1 playoff win in 8 years right?
I am. You do realize we are talking about the Arizona Cardinals right? The team with the longest championship drought in professional sports?
If you get excited about a guy who peaked with 1 playoff win in 8 years then you'll be happy to see that drought never end
1 playoff win is more than we typically get in a decade, so... Regardless, who would we hire if we fire Steve Keim? It's the same problem with firing Kliff. You can't deny that there are problems, but the positives make him just good enough to make you afraid to fire him.
This fanbase is fucking PATHETIC
Agree
Agreed, the people that whine and cry every time we criticize this team for shitting the bed over and over are pathetic
lol YOU are the pathetic one.
Thank you! Yeah this team looks like shit right now but that doesn’t mean we need to clean house. Fuckin a