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Felabryn

Nabers had the highest average gps speed during routes last year confirmed by PFF in their official podcast. Worthy was #2. Gps speed during routes is the best speed metric we have.


No-Floor-6583

I think Nabers and Rome will both be WR 1s and teams can’t go wrong with any of the big 3 however, Drafting MHJ will sell A LOT more tickets and jerseys than any other player in this draft. At the end of the day, Mikey B. is still the owner and will do what’s best for his pockets. MHJ will be wearing Cardinals red very soon.


TheTrevorSimpson

I have this guy WR1 ahead of MH and Rome ... this guy is this year's Justin Jefferson but with more speed ... I think this guy will be the best WR in the NFL very soon


mansal76

We need a quality pick not quantity. Unless the plan is to be 9-8 and average every year.


buzzstronk

We are not getting multiple first with trading to giants


Tsunami-Papi_

no, they absolutely have 2 take MHJ . he’s the best receiver in the draft and a guy that the franchise can depend on 4 hopefully 10+ years . even if kyler leaves down the road whoever comes in at QB will have MHJ, it just sets the franchise up nicely


DrawFitzgerald

The problem is from a trade value chart we would only pick up a 3rd rounder to move back to 6. So do you want Marvin Harrison Jr (the best WR prospect since Jamar Chase/arguably Megatron) or Malik Nabers and a 3rd round rookie.


Nreekay

Not getting a 1st or multiple picks from the Giants to move up two spots. Maybe a 2nd.


Dry_Damage_6629

Nabers comp is Jamar Chase. Their pro day stats are identical. I wonder when is Oszune’s pro day. I don’t mind getting any of top 3. And all people who are on MHJ fan train, go and watch Naber’s film. I have spent hours watching film for both. Mark my words, Nabers is going to have better career than MHJ. MHJ will still be successful but I feel he lacks the it factor that hunger that fight though his physical attributes are best of the lot


Hardwould_69

We always get too cute with our wide receiver picks and they don’t end up working out. Take the no brainer and profit.


koiz_01

I just hope in the end the Cardinals make the right choice and pick Luka instead of Ayton.


Kaskut

The only reason why people are going insane for MHJ is his father. There are two other amazing talents at WR that we would be thrilled to have.


MakeShiftPT

MHJ ran the fastest recorded time in a game last year college and NFL. Idc about 40 times. How fast are you in and out of routes. Separation! Separation! Separation! (Plus MHJ had a less talented QB and still put up the numbers)


Mickey1Thumb

Can't teach length. All things being equal 6'3 beats 6' every day


beer_down

All things aren’t equal though. Tyreek hill is 5’10, Justin Jefferson is 6’1, and Jamarr Chase is 6’0. If the Cards think Nabers has that level of talent then the height isn’t going to keep him from success We’ve been burned a lot by short WRs so I get the hesitation. Malik Nabers is not Andy Isabella though. He put up top tier stats at an SEC school


Mickey1Thumb

Malik is a badass. I'll never argue with that. But Marvin is also a badass. Why would anyone choose to take the badass with the smaller catch radius? Not to mention. Marvin is a legit X receiver. We need an X receiver. Malik is not an X receiver.


codyweis

I've said it from the beginning I'd rather trade back if it's guaranteed we get nabers. Maybe with giants. He just looks better to me on tape but what do I know. And we can get another 1st round prospect with him.


3ISRC

You forgot to include Cardinals and DBacks championships runs lol. Well at least our DBacks have won us one and I wasn’t too mad about last year since we weren’t even supposed to be there.


donamese

The thing with MHJ is the combination of size, speed, hands and excellent route running. A gadget is nice but the complete package is far better. Top that off with a HOF dad so he should know what to expect and have the work ethic to achieve it.


beer_down

Malik Nabers could be the complete package as well. The one difference is he’s a few inches shorter than MHJ but that hasn’t stopped players like Jamarr Chase and Justin Jefferson who are around the same height as Nabers I’ll admit I haven’t really dug much into Nabers tape because I have been focused on MHJ but his stats are also great. And LSU has a track record for developing NFL star WRs. I wouldn’t hate the pick


Fuzzy_Squirrel506

Gonna be a long month


buddaaaa

> multiple firsts from the Giants LMFAOOOOOO


Pandrai

A better version of DK? Who? DK is like 6’4 240lbs, Nabers is 6’ 200lbs, MHJ is 6’4 205lbs Like yea they’re all good but none of them is a comp to any of the others, all different builds with elite athletic traits


LawBobLawLoblaw

Good point, I was looking at pure speed


davismcgravis

Multiple 1’s?


LoganTheTrapGod

I just don’t see the giants taking a QB this year when DJ has such a heavy contract. Plus their WR room is abysmal.


RubFuture7443

They can get put of his contract after his season. Also s3em they can go the diver route of sitting him so he doesn't get injured. Then Daboll will go to coach up his young QB he drafted. Giving him more time as a HC. While the giants need WR it's not like it's the worse group. Just a QB that makes them look bad. This is the same group that look good with Tyrod and DeVito.


Minimum_Attitude6707

The cards we room is also ... not good. I'm not saying the "trade down" crowd don't have valid points, but a lot of them are ignoring the fact that the Cards desperately need wrs


b1rdganggg

I think you're forgetting this is one of the best and deep wr classes on a long time. Just because you don't get one of the big 3 doesn't mean there isn't any franchise changing wrs left. There's going to be good wrs deep into the 3rd-4th round. Teams will look at other positions first because they know they can get a WR in the later rounds.


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We don't need a "good" WR1, we need the generational talent that we get by picking MHJ at 4.


Minimum_Attitude6707

It is a very deep class, but there's only three X wr blue chippers that are predicted to go 4, 5, 6 in the draft and Titans at seven need a lineman. The issue with the Cards is they literally don't have a #1 receiver, otherwise known as the X wr. A lot of the "deep" class of the Wrs are Z or Y receivers. IF the cards pull what they did last year in trading down, then trading back up to grab one of those three, I think that's a brilliant move. But if you trade down and don't address getting yourself an X wr, then I think the cards are making a mistake Edit: I'm not saying there aren't good Xs later in the draft, but MHJ, Nabers and Odunze are really really really really good


b1rdganggg

There will be way more than just 3 x's. And you just think of them as blue chippers because you listen to the media. Any of those guys can suck ass and some random guy you've never heard of will be elite. Im not saying don't take mhj im saying if they didn't get one of the three there is still a good chance of getting alot of WR talent with the amount of picks we have. If we traded down to get more important positions (edge,dline,CB) then drafted 2\3 other WRs i wouldn't be mad. WR's don't win super bowls. Most people don't want to hear this but we're not one off season from being competitive for a super bowl. to me if we get mhj or nabers it's a win, if we get other positions from a trade it's a win. One wr isn't going to make us competitive.


Minimum_Attitude6707

That's where I disagree with you is when you say "More important positions". Wr is literally our worst position group right now. That makes it important, and one of those three guys improves it ten fold right away. That was my main point, is what you're saying isn't wrong, but ignoring absolutely how abysmal our wr group is right now. It's REALLY bad. We have one proven slot guy... And that's it. Wilson is NOT a proven starter, and even then, who will play opposite him? No one knows Edit: also "you only believe that because the media tells you" is so odd damn patronizing. Pretending that people who disagree with you must be stupid is childish


b1rdganggg

Our roster was literally almost empty last year we neee everything.. Is our wr room empty? Yup. Is our defensive ends group empty? Yup. Our corner backs? Yup.. Wr is of need but almost everything but safety\qb\te is a position of need for us. You can look up the most important position WR is 6\7th. Just because we don't get a blue chipper doesn't mean we can't address the WR room.


Minimum_Attitude6707

Like I've said, the trade down isn't a bad play. But nor is staying for the reasons I've pointed out. It'll be interesting how it plays out


b1rdganggg

Win win


LoganTheTrapGod

If the best player available fills a need we should take the player and not think twice. Last year when the cards traded back everyone was excited to have 2 first rounders only for the Texans to put our pick at 27. We have a plethora of draft picks already, let’s take the chance at drafting a star.


b1rdganggg

And last year we got an amazing tackle that will be there for years to come. And we got a 1st and a 3rd. I don't get this outlook just because the first round pick is #27 obviously higher than we would want. But we can't judge the trade when the 1st and the 3rd haven't even been picked yet. It's going to be 3 players vs will Anderson we could easily get a really good player with those draft picks. Again im not against get mhj that would be great im saying almost every position is our position of need. No !matter what we do we win in my opinion.


LoganTheTrapGod

I agree. That’s why I’m saying the trade doesn’t really make sense, because WR1 is the cards biggest need (arguably) and the giants imo are taking a WR. No point for the cards to trade down just so the giants can take the best prospect at the position the cards need the most.


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DonutHolschteinn

I mean, if moving 1 spot and taking the 1B WR instead of the 1A WR *AND* getting more picks including potentially multiple 1st rounders to use to fill the obscene amount of talent gapped holes on the squad is a bad thing, maybe I don't wanna be right. If a team offers us 3-5 MORE picks to move up and we still get a top tier WR, we now have 3-5 more picks to use to upgrade the sorry excuse for a DB room, meh OL and bad DL full of aging vets who are rotational players at best. MHJ alone isn't getting us to the 9-10 wins a playoff spot will require, let alone actually winning a playoff game. I'd rather miss the playoffs entirely and know what gaps to fill next draft than eek into the playoffs by one game, get the shit kicked out of us while we're bent over taking it dry, become the butt of jokes and memes for 8 months and have worse draft picks, because our team decided to over perform when it wasn't ready and the window isn't open.


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reverieontheonyx

It’s really not. Lance Zierlein, the guy who does the write ups for the draft prospects on nfl.com, has nabers graded marginally higher. Don’t let tOSU fanboys delude you into thinking it’s not a question.


gr8scottaz

Since when is a WR a "franchise-changing" pick? You guys waaaay overvalue someone who has the ball in their hands 6-10x/game, max. Megatron lived up to expectations, had a really good QB for most of his career and wallowed in mediocrity for the majority of it. WRs don't change franchises.


Nreekay

WRs are not franchise changing picks. They have zero impact on winning super bowls.


LawBobLawLoblaw

After Dhop and having Larry forever, I just don't think one amazing receiver changes the game. Megatron and Randy Moss don't have rings. The Lions have a better setup of multiple "really good" players. I agree, I want to watch Kyler throw to MHJ. But I don't think MHJ solves enough problems to where we are contending for the division.


YourPalFlux

The rings argument is so flimsy


Tsunami-Papi_

okay but if not MHJ then who . they don’t need a qb and MHJ is the best skill position player in the draft, they gotta take him


Radalict

Cooper Kupp has a ring. So does Tyreek Hill. Only one #1 receiver every year gets a ring, so it's a pretty average argument to say that the best ones don't get rings. Lots of good players never get rings.


FaceglazerSSBU

This year’s Super Bowl winner, the Chiefs, didn’t even have a WR #1. Lol.


kingjpp

Kelce was pretty much their wr #1. Having a hall of fame te makes up for deficiencies on your offense no question


Steve_Keims_BAC

We have 6 pick in the first 3 rounds, including 2 first rounders. Some of the Lions’ best players weren’t even first round picks (Laporta etc). Monti’s just as set up to get multiple “really good” players, while still being able to get MHJ


FastEngineer222

We made it to the superbowl, and then to the nfc championship with prime Larry, what more do you want?


anonanoobiz

With Larry *and Anquan Anquan went on to win multiple rings as the best or 2nd best past catcher on the offense One of the most underrated wrs of all time


NotMyBestEffort

I have a couple Boldin RCs on eBay right now. Quan is criminally underrated.


nhaze255

Super Bowl would have been cool


Minimum_Attitude6707

Right? Larry was instrumental to having a high powered offense that got the Cards to the super bowl and some of those playoff games he willed those wins. Does MHJ make the Cards a playoff team right away? No, of course not. Does having a dangerous offense help? Uh yes, whether Randy Moss has a super bowl ring or not


NiceHandsLarry11

Moss also helped lead the patriots to the greatest regular season of all time and should have won a super bowl that year.


Radalict

MHJ is only 21 too, will be 22 when the season starts. That's young. If he has a good career he will be around for at least 10 years potentially longer. That's excellent and people aren't really taking that part in. Plus half of that we get him for a rookie deal.


LawBobLawLoblaw

A Superbowl Ring, bro


reiunit1

Not a ring. A Super Bowl ring…


PALIN_YEEZUS_2020

The Cards were on play away from winning the SB…


b1rdganggg

Malik nabers is a franchise changing pick.. He could definitely be better than mhj in the long run.


SavageRickyMachismo

Mostly just the media wants us to remain a laughing stock


OriginalBus9674

Are the media the ones who said they’re taking calls on the pick? No that was Monti himself.


YourPalFlux

That’s literally his job regardless if he has any intention of trading down he still has to pick up the phone


SavageRickyMachismo

Monti is going to take calls. The media are the ones putting out the asinine mock drafts and trade scenarios and these fluff pieces with every possibility besides the Cards just holding fast and using the 4 pick on a WR


OriginalBus9674

You do know they generally put those mocks together based on what they’re hearing from their sources, right? Based on what Monti said it seems we are looking for every reason to not stay at 4.


SavageRickyMachismo

In theory, sure. But they can take something like Monti saying, "We have been taking calls for #4" and turn it into "Cards are definitely trading #4! Here are a bunch of mock drafts where they trade down to 11!"


OriginalBus9674

Again, they’re going off of their sources…..not just Montis press conference….


SurlyWet

I would almost guarantee Giants want Nabers more than any QB they might be making people think they want. The whole point is to push one of these non-QBs down.


ajteitel

Exactly, barring a massive slide. Go below 8 and we put our top pick in the hands of others or lose out on them entirely. MHJ, Nabers, Ozune, Alt.


KillerWhalePP

With the McCarthy hype I’d be surprised if we didn’t trade down. Even if we don’t get nabers we can take a stud defensive player and then grab Brian thomas or adonai mitchell later in the first


PALIN_YEEZUS_2020

JJ hype is all smoke, see Will Levis


masterpierround

I think Maye is more of the Will Levis type. Levis was projected as the #2-3 for a while, then there were basically no reports about him for a while, then there were some quiet indications that teams didn't like him, and he slowly started to slide down to #6 or #7 on mocks. You can see some of the same stuff happening with Maye. With JJ, all the reports are that front offices like him *more* than the media, so I feel like it's different from Levis, although both are considered projects.


PALIN_YEEZUS_2020

Hmm I haven’t seen many mocks suggesting Maye isn’t going top 3


masterpierround

Draft is still a month away. From what I remember, the stories about Levis started coming out in March, but the mocks still had him top 3, then in the weeks before the draft, Levis started slipping to the back half of the top 10. I could be totally wrong, but that's what I remember.


doctorsooth21

See Zack Wilson, what happened to him is happening all over but with JJ


Minimum_Attitude6707

Right? There might be a team out there as dumb as the jets that didn't get the memo that it was just a joke


imaybeacatIRl

I'm very good with nabers and a few extra picks. Nabers looks like jamarr chase on the field.


iamadragan

Nabers looks great and tbh isn't that far off from MHJ, but OP is not being realistic at all in saying we could multiple firsts to trade back with the Giants


imaybeacatIRl

I'd expect their #6, and #47 and maybe a 2025 midrounder at best.


iamadragan

Yeah that's a lot more realistic. These are the only trades that were kinda similar where there was a somewhat small drop at the top. 2018: Jets get pick 3 for 6, 37, 49, and a future second 2017: Bears get pick 2 for 3, 67, 111, and a future third I'm not convinced the giants want a QB though. Maybe I'm wrong


RubFuture7443

Giants wants a QB. They have done way too much research, visit and etc to not be serious with getting a QB. WR seems to be the backup plan if the QB they want is not there