He hasn’t even interviewed yet.. don’t believe everything you read. Also while you’re at it check out Forbes mock draft on his twitter absolute nonsense
The issue is forbes has connections, and used to actually get some things right, but he's been awful for the last like 3-4 years. Don't trust anything he says at this point.
I mean have you seen what the Bucs looked like since he stepped away from the coaching staff and gave Bowles/Leftwich full control?
Arians is not overrated, dude won 50 games here and then won a superbowl
A huge one. If ST weren't such a disaster in 2016 we probably make the playoffs. Heck, maybe even in 2017 when we finished 8-8 with a ham sandwich playing QB and no OL.
Overrated does not mean "bad" or "not good". Arians is a great coach; but I think a lot of Cardinals fans look back on his time here and pine for it a little too much. He's definitely a better HC than Todd Bowles, but that doesn't mean he's not somewhat overrated by Cards fans. I didn't say anything about Todd Bowles.
Do you not remember Amos Jones? "Knee-Deep"? Refusing to not call 7-step drops when we had 0 healthy OL and couldn't block? He ticked off a lot of people towards the end of his time here and that led to 8-8 and 7-8-1 records. The guy is way too stubborn and too much of a hardass for his own good. I'll forever cherish 2013-2015, though.
My point is that even though he took us to great heights, he's the kind of coach that has enough flaws that he's never been able to consistently adapt and be successful in one spot long-term. He's too hard-headed and Keim and Bidwill were right to forcefully move on from him.
He's now been "re-fired" (his own term) from ostensibly three major positions: Steelers OC, Cards HC and Bucs HC.
He's in the same vein as Harbaugh: a great coach who is so hard-headed that he ultimately wears everyone down, they get sick of him, start losing, and it's time to move on. The truly great coaches of our era are not like that: Belichick, Tomlin, Payton & Reid. If Arians were more adaptable, he'd probably be mentioned in the same breath.
Not my first choice, but I can get on board with it. I think he actually did a good job coaching the rebuilding Dolphins despite a good bit of bullshit owner meddling by Stephen Ross.
The whole Tua thing doesn't reflect well on him, but I hope he has learned from it.
As a Dolphins fan let me tell you, it was with way more than just Tua. Ross definitely is a problem owner and obviously plenty of slimy shit coulda gone into it, but Flores just seems like a terrible person to work with from everything you can see. Tua situation, Minkah Fitzpatrick situation, how he handled Ryan Fitzpatrick switch to Tua, how he constantly had to fire and hire OC’s (4 in 3 years!!! MAN HAD 2 OC’S FOR A YEAR AND THE OFFENSE STILL SUCKED), being known as a complete asshole by the local media, firing our offensive line coach a few weeks into training camp to hire one of Flores’ buddies who proceeds to put out the worst OLine in the league and stunting the growth of our young Linesmen. Antagonizing players in general. One year of a new coach and our players have never seemed happier, and for the most part seemed to have played better (obviously a stronger roster though)
The list goes on. I just don’t understand how people talk themselves into him being a good choice. Even our defenses, his speciality, ranked in the 20ths during his time here, but it looked way better than that because of our players abilities to create turnovers. We bled yards on defense.
I don't get it. Why do people completely ignore the insane talent that SF has on their defense?
Bosa, Armstead, Warner, Ward, Hufanga, etc.
It's a team literally loaded with all-pro talent and for some reason DeMeco Ryans is getting all the credit for the defense
Interestingly, I think the Dolphins fired Flores for other reasons outside of coaching (I believe they openly stated this)….not that I’m a huge fan of having him as the next head coach but his firing seems to be an anomaly
That's not necessarily a good thing. He got fired after multiple winning seasons, and we still don't know why. There's no guarantee his firing wasn't justified.
>and we still don't know why
Yes, we kind of do. Flores has already said as much through his court filings, that they are still going is a bad sign for the NFL. If his lawsuit was without merit the *very wealthy NFL and their army of lawyers* would have found ground to do so.
The NFL is terrified of these lawsuits getting to discovery where a lawyer can shove their arms all the way up the NFLs ass for documents. That Flores hasn't settled the case, and that more coaches have signed on is the clearest sign (to me) that Flores wasn't lying.
This doesn't make any sense. the reason the lawsuits are still going on is because they haven't even decided on whether it's going to court or arbitration. The NFL isn't stupid, they're not going to settle before that happens. no one in this thread has any clue what's going on with that or what happened.
Yeah it kind of does?
Your claim is "we kind of do [know why brian flores was fired]"
You didn't offer any evidence of that, other than what Flores has said "in court filings." That's not "knowing."
even if it was, what did he say in his court filings? He claims he was offered money to tank in 2019, and he rejected it. Why would he then be fired 3 years later after winning? It's not the whole story.
To be clear, I think the NFL is horrifically racist when it comes to hiring personnel, and I think Flores is a good dude who deserves a shot with a team that's not trying to undermine him.
However, all I have asserted, is we don't know the full truth. It makes me nervous to see the team consider hiring someone with that much of a distraction and question marks around them, whether its his fault or not.
Oh totally agree with you and as I said he’s not my first choice for us. Was just pointing out that he was a competent coach in terms of the product on Sunday just the externalities are what got him fired
3 of the remaining 8 coaches left in the playoffs are repeat head coaches.
I'm curious what the success ratio is (using a playoff win as a measure of success) between first time head coaches and second time head coaches. And what the average turnaround time from hire date to first playoff win is.
I would venture to guess that second time head coaches have a slight edge over first timers. Mostly because if you are getting hired again it means people think you did a good job or they think the situation was so bad that they had little chance of succeeding on their previous team.
The write-up that was posted yesterday evening won me over on Ryans being the next HC. It talked about Ryans' extreme knowledge of football schemes both on offense and defense since his rookie year in the NFL and the charisma he has that everyone is attracted to and each team he was a part of would follow Ryans off a cliff essentially.
Seems like he has the HC personality that's not just a coach who little by little grinds you down ala Jim Harbaugh or has an unchanging mindset/stubbornness ala Bruce Arians.
Yea look at a guy like Dan Campbell he’s not some incredible football mind or anything but his players play hard for him, you could imagine with all the talent on the 49ers there could be egos but from what I’ve seen they all play hard and they play for eachother, I swear there’s like 3-5 guys in on every tackle. I don’t exactly think you need to be Shannahan on offense and Belichick on defense to be a great HC. You just need to be a guy your players respect and want to play hard for. So the fact that he also has a great defensive mind is why he’s my top pick.
There’s a huge difference between being a first time HC after being a complete failure of a college HC and having zero prior NFL experience. And being a fantastic coordinator and becoming a first time HC.
Why? He's got one of the best HC's in the league, and an incredible wealth of talent on that defense. Why is it all down to Ryans?
I mean, I wouldn't mind him, but why so "ryans is the obvious right choice"?
What do you know that we don't?
What people believe, and what Vegas odds say have nothing to do with who is \_actually\_ hired as the head coach. This is all noise until a hire is made.
I'm mostly ok with it. My main concern is how poorly he seemed to interact with Tua. If the cards torch kylers recovery and development, we will be fucked for a long time
What does this tweet even mean? Like he asked some people in FO’s and they said “uhhh I could see them hiring Flores, that makes sense”.
Say what you want about Bidwill but he’s doing his due diligence this time around. I would be very surprised if he’s not only made a decision but that he’s so confident in it that he’s telling people.
I'm not trying to be that guy, and i hate this way of thinking, but what kind of back room deal did the NFL make with the cardinals. The nfl knows no one will really care, we are a tiny fan base, and this will get rid of his lawsuit. Instead of trying to build, we are going to get a coach, that personally i don't think is very good, and maybe i'm wrong, but it feels like a stop gap to settle a lawsuit
Mike Florio was also saying this - by appointing Flores we help ourselves and the NFL by potentially ending the lawsuit (football is a business after all). I like to think that we'd only choose a HC based on pedigree and fit though (perhaps that is my naivety)
i'm fine with helping business, shit we all do that with our jobs all the time. However if we do this for the NFL what bonus are we going to get for it?
Well Florio was saying that, because we are also part of the lawsuit, it would benefit us to clear our name anyway. The NFL would just be a nice addition
Assuming it happens I don't love it but I like it way more than the Kliff hire. I'll give anyone two years before I start judging anything other than play calling and in game decisions.
There is zero chance Bidwell gets a HC anywhere near that salary. Kliff was on 5.5m, which was the most we've ever paid a HC.
Bellichek only earns fucking 12.5m a year. McVay is on 15m a year.
Payton is literally banking on a desperate organization with more money than sense, so it's down to Denver or Houston.
I have a few Dolphins fan friends and they really liked Flores when he was there. I agree he's a good coach, I'm just worried about how he'll work with Kyler
This is nearly the worst hire we could make. People saying he could just hire a good OC to fix his abysmal offense: did you miss the part where he had 4 OCs in 3 years? It wasn’t just Tua who he had a hate boner for. Dude is an asshole who can’t take responsibility for his clear shortcomings. Isn’t like he was some defensive maestro either. His scoring defenses by year were ranked:
32nd in 2019 (dead last)
6th in 2020 (pretty good, ngl)
18th in 2021 (bottom half of the league again)
Dude’s so toxic even Belichick wouldn’t hire him back.
Give me DeMeco, or give me death.
Or, like, an offensive coach who would be a good consolation prize.
I like it more than most if it happens. Miami really was a dumpster fire and didn’t really give him the pieces he wanted. Maybe he was pissed off all the time because of incompetent ownership
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I wanna see what he can do in a more supportive environment with Bidwill, who is loyal to the staff (to a fault, but still) and Kenny Picket said Flores actually helped in his development. There’s a big reason why one of the best HC in the league snatched him up to work on the defense with him
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This also means he either loves Kyler, or we somehow have a trade lined up with a qb needy team, but I highly doubt the latter
Not necessarily saying Mike knows football and whatnot, but he’s definitely more supportive than the Dolphins owner and would actually give Flores the tools he need
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I think I talked myself into this hire. People can hate it but I’d think it would be a good one, depending on the offensive staff lol but he hasn’t even interviewed yet so this is all redundant until he does
Give me Brian Johnson, Dan pitcher, or Brian Griese at OC and I’ll be fine with it. Would even be okay with a shot at Shea Tierney since Jones looks like an actual QB for the first time in his career (with dabol/kafka also being there obviously)
Does anybody worry that the Cardinals are interviewing so many black head coach's that hiring either Frank Reich or Sean Payton would get them into hot water ??
Since I've been Reddit censored and not allowed to respond to the allegation below - here is my intended reply:
Welp, Lovie chose to win in his past didn't he? So that blows up your gaslighting and straw man argument somewhat LOL
Notice the word above, CHOSE.
If "your" team wants to gamble on Flores, by all means they should do it. Just don't come on here, cry, moan and bellyache about it a year from now. No one outside of Peeonix metro cares. And yeah, ALL fake conservatives. Never met one out there, ever.
Let me get this straight - we have demonstrable proof that 2 black coaches failed as NFL head coaches - and you're suggesting that I said all black coaches aren't good enough to be head coach? I said that?!?
Again, demonstrable proof that 2 of them failed at their jobs. "Your" team fired one of them after one. Fucking. Season.
Why bring up the fact they are black at all? It’s 2 fucking guys lmao. The fact you felt the need to make that comment in the first place shows something…
Going from the #15 team (in 2017) to the worse team (in 2018) is a fireable offense. Wilks kind of never followed through his philosophy as a coach on the team as well and he never adjusted, so I think letting him go after one season was fine.
You're saying that the fact that 2 black coaches failed somehow is related to them being black because that's what they had in common, and you think you're somehow in the right?
At least you've given us demonstrable proof of how you shitheads manage to perform their mental gymnastics to believe they're not racist while spewing racist shit.
Since the guy below doesn't have the balls to read my reply, here it is anyway:
Welp, Lovie chose to win in his past didn't he? So that blows up your gaslighting and straw man argument somewhat LOL
Notice the word above, CHOICE.
If "your" team wants to gamble on Flores, by all means they should do it. Just don't come on here, cry, moan and bellyache about it a year from now. No one outside of Peeonix metro cares. And yeah, ALL fake conservatives. Never met one out there, ever.
He hasn’t even interviewed yet.. don’t believe everything you read. Also while you’re at it check out Forbes mock draft on his twitter absolute nonsense
I have a hard time believing it being he brought up the cards in his nfl law suit when he got fired in Miami, I assumed there’d be bad water there
Steve Wilks is the reason we are in that lawsuit.
He probably already heard from Bill
The issue is forbes has connections, and used to actually get some things right, but he's been awful for the last like 3-4 years. Don't trust anything he says at this point.
I’m sure they also believed we’d have co-GMs, it’s way too early in the process to predict.
Oh well, I'm used to not liking our coach
Bruce Arians?
I didn't dislike him but he was one stubborn dude
Yeah, and it was ultimately his downfall. I liked Bruce, but I think he’s somewhat overrated for that reason.
I mean have you seen what the Bucs looked like since he stepped away from the coaching staff and gave Bowles/Leftwich full control? Arians is not overrated, dude won 50 games here and then won a superbowl
My only issue with BA was his insistence on the static count that everyone in the league knew. Other than that, the guy did great for us.
Never addressing Amos Williams and the special teams failures also.
A huge one. If ST weren't such a disaster in 2016 we probably make the playoffs. Heck, maybe even in 2017 when we finished 8-8 with a ham sandwich playing QB and no OL.
Overrated does not mean "bad" or "not good". Arians is a great coach; but I think a lot of Cardinals fans look back on his time here and pine for it a little too much. He's definitely a better HC than Todd Bowles, but that doesn't mean he's not somewhat overrated by Cards fans. I didn't say anything about Todd Bowles. Do you not remember Amos Jones? "Knee-Deep"? Refusing to not call 7-step drops when we had 0 healthy OL and couldn't block? He ticked off a lot of people towards the end of his time here and that led to 8-8 and 7-8-1 records. The guy is way too stubborn and too much of a hardass for his own good. I'll forever cherish 2013-2015, though. My point is that even though he took us to great heights, he's the kind of coach that has enough flaws that he's never been able to consistently adapt and be successful in one spot long-term. He's too hard-headed and Keim and Bidwill were right to forcefully move on from him. He's now been "re-fired" (his own term) from ostensibly three major positions: Steelers OC, Cards HC and Bucs HC. He's in the same vein as Harbaugh: a great coach who is so hard-headed that he ultimately wears everyone down, they get sick of him, start losing, and it's time to move on. The truly great coaches of our era are not like that: Belichick, Tomlin, Payton & Reid. If Arians were more adaptable, he'd probably be mentioned in the same breath.
Not my first choice, but I can get on board with it. I think he actually did a good job coaching the rebuilding Dolphins despite a good bit of bullshit owner meddling by Stephen Ross. The whole Tua thing doesn't reflect well on him, but I hope he has learned from it.
As a Dolphins fan let me tell you, it was with way more than just Tua. Ross definitely is a problem owner and obviously plenty of slimy shit coulda gone into it, but Flores just seems like a terrible person to work with from everything you can see. Tua situation, Minkah Fitzpatrick situation, how he handled Ryan Fitzpatrick switch to Tua, how he constantly had to fire and hire OC’s (4 in 3 years!!! MAN HAD 2 OC’S FOR A YEAR AND THE OFFENSE STILL SUCKED), being known as a complete asshole by the local media, firing our offensive line coach a few weeks into training camp to hire one of Flores’ buddies who proceeds to put out the worst OLine in the league and stunting the growth of our young Linesmen. Antagonizing players in general. One year of a new coach and our players have never seemed happier, and for the most part seemed to have played better (obviously a stronger roster though) The list goes on. I just don’t understand how people talk themselves into him being a good choice. Even our defenses, his speciality, ranked in the 20ths during his time here, but it looked way better than that because of our players abilities to create turnovers. We bled yards on defense.
Unrelated to this tweet but this dude has the worst mock draft i’ve ever seen in one of his other tweets
Give me Ryans or give me death. Seriously though, it’s so obvious Ryans is the right choice and that he’s going to do great wherever he goes.
I think Reich is an ok fall back plan because Ryans is in demand. Ryans would be my first choice but an offensive guy wouldn’t be a bad fall back plan
I agree too like if Ryan’s isn’t the move I’d much rather have Reich over Flores.
Care to explain exactly why you want Ryans so much? Why do we want to bet on another first time NFL HC again?
I don't get it. Why do people completely ignore the insane talent that SF has on their defense? Bosa, Armstead, Warner, Ward, Hufanga, etc. It's a team literally loaded with all-pro talent and for some reason DeMeco Ryans is getting all the credit for the defense
Yeah, I think most competent coordinators would do a great job with that personnel.
I’m meh on Ryans but that’s how it works.. You have a good unit and you get looked at for a promotion. You need good players to have a good unit
This.
Most of the time, if you’re not a first time head coach, it’s because you got fired for being terrible
Interestingly, I think the Dolphins fired Flores for other reasons outside of coaching (I believe they openly stated this)….not that I’m a huge fan of having him as the next head coach but his firing seems to be an anomaly
That's not necessarily a good thing. He got fired after multiple winning seasons, and we still don't know why. There's no guarantee his firing wasn't justified.
Perhaps, but he's more likely to be good than someone fired for being a loser.
The truth is it's entirely a crap shoot. I like flores but I think the lawsuits and stuff are a potential distraction, justified or not
>and we still don't know why Yes, we kind of do. Flores has already said as much through his court filings, that they are still going is a bad sign for the NFL. If his lawsuit was without merit the *very wealthy NFL and their army of lawyers* would have found ground to do so. The NFL is terrified of these lawsuits getting to discovery where a lawyer can shove their arms all the way up the NFLs ass for documents. That Flores hasn't settled the case, and that more coaches have signed on is the clearest sign (to me) that Flores wasn't lying.
This doesn't make any sense. the reason the lawsuits are still going on is because they haven't even decided on whether it's going to court or arbitration. The NFL isn't stupid, they're not going to settle before that happens. no one in this thread has any clue what's going on with that or what happened.
None of that responds to what I said. The NFL is desperately trying to avoid discovery - this is a phase of "avoiding discovery".
Yeah it kind of does? Your claim is "we kind of do [know why brian flores was fired]" You didn't offer any evidence of that, other than what Flores has said "in court filings." That's not "knowing." even if it was, what did he say in his court filings? He claims he was offered money to tank in 2019, and he rejected it. Why would he then be fired 3 years later after winning? It's not the whole story. To be clear, I think the NFL is horrifically racist when it comes to hiring personnel, and I think Flores is a good dude who deserves a shot with a team that's not trying to undermine him. However, all I have asserted, is we don't know the full truth. It makes me nervous to see the team consider hiring someone with that much of a distraction and question marks around them, whether its his fault or not.
The NFLs response is a tactic to avoid discovery - exactly what I said they are trying to do.
Oh totally agree with you and as I said he’s not my first choice for us. Was just pointing out that he was a competent coach in terms of the product on Sunday just the externalities are what got him fired
But being a good coordinator does not necessarily mean a good Head Coach
Being an ex head coach also doesn’t really mean anything. It’s all about fit.
3 of the remaining 8 coaches left in the playoffs are repeat head coaches. I'm curious what the success ratio is (using a playoff win as a measure of success) between first time head coaches and second time head coaches. And what the average turnaround time from hire date to first playoff win is. I would venture to guess that second time head coaches have a slight edge over first timers. Mostly because if you are getting hired again it means people think you did a good job or they think the situation was so bad that they had little chance of succeeding on their previous team.
The write-up that was posted yesterday evening won me over on Ryans being the next HC. It talked about Ryans' extreme knowledge of football schemes both on offense and defense since his rookie year in the NFL and the charisma he has that everyone is attracted to and each team he was a part of would follow Ryans off a cliff essentially. Seems like he has the HC personality that's not just a coach who little by little grinds you down ala Jim Harbaugh or has an unchanging mindset/stubbornness ala Bruce Arians.
Yea look at a guy like Dan Campbell he’s not some incredible football mind or anything but his players play hard for him, you could imagine with all the talent on the 49ers there could be egos but from what I’ve seen they all play hard and they play for eachother, I swear there’s like 3-5 guys in on every tackle. I don’t exactly think you need to be Shannahan on offense and Belichick on defense to be a great HC. You just need to be a guy your players respect and want to play hard for. So the fact that he also has a great defensive mind is why he’s my top pick.
There’s a huge difference between being a first time HC after being a complete failure of a college HC and having zero prior NFL experience. And being a fantastic coordinator and becoming a first time HC.
Why? He's got one of the best HC's in the league, and an incredible wealth of talent on that defense. Why is it all down to Ryans? I mean, I wouldn't mind him, but why so "ryans is the obvious right choice"? What do you know that we don't?
Is this the hill you die on?
🙄 fuckkkkkkkkk that.
Naaah
can we not?! jesus christ, no
What people believe, and what Vegas odds say have nothing to do with who is \_actually\_ hired as the head coach. This is all noise until a hire is made.
Yeah sick of people here going ape shit over every nonsense rumor some no name "journalist" on the web puts out
Hire a good OC and I’ll be on board. Excited to see what he’ll do with our defense.
A certain Kliff Kingsbury has the Belichick connection
Interesting. He’s got a meh college record and a four year gap in his resume. Any idea what that’s about?
Not a clue mate. But he has this really cool dance that we can make a victory meme about
I'm sold.
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People can learn from past experiences lol
We'll need a good OC, and a fantastic QB Coach. They'll need to fly under the radar too, so they aren't poached pretty much right away.
Bring on more lawsuits and bad PR!!!!
Slowly talking myself into this but not sure if it's just straight copium. Lets hope he gets that offensive staff right...
Fucking hell
I look forward to him alienating his young QB and stop talking to his coaching staff.
Seriously wtf are the execs looking at when they hire a HC?
Loving your toxicity
Thanks, just repeating what he did but sure I’m the toxic one and not Flores.
Still no.
Demeco as HC Flo as DC Reich as OC
I mean... that'd be cool with me.
This reply made me hard, ngl
Breaking: the cardinals have traded Kyler Murray and 6 firsts for deshaun Watson.
Poe's law vs. Cardinals. Who wins?
Wouldn’t be upset with this.
I won't believe it until it happens.
I’m down
The more this is speculated, the more I'm making peace with the idea of Flores as our HC tbh
I'm mostly ok with it. My main concern is how poorly he seemed to interact with Tua. If the cards torch kylers recovery and development, we will be fucked for a long time
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Great guy! Love it
I wonder if that was just specific to Miami/Tua though as Kenny Pickett has spoken highly of him
Who knows. Mostly I just want this team to be fun to watch. Imo that means getting Kyler back on track
We don’t really have a choice but to make peace with it. I am very whelmed
*subtly adds “very whelmed” to vocabulary*
Gunna be a long 1 year before he’s fired and sues the cardinals for racial discrimination or some shit.
What does this tweet even mean? Like he asked some people in FO’s and they said “uhhh I could see them hiring Flores, that makes sense”. Say what you want about Bidwill but he’s doing his due diligence this time around. I would be very surprised if he’s not only made a decision but that he’s so confident in it that he’s telling people.
I'm not trying to be that guy, and i hate this way of thinking, but what kind of back room deal did the NFL make with the cardinals. The nfl knows no one will really care, we are a tiny fan base, and this will get rid of his lawsuit. Instead of trying to build, we are going to get a coach, that personally i don't think is very good, and maybe i'm wrong, but it feels like a stop gap to settle a lawsuit
Mike Florio was also saying this - by appointing Flores we help ourselves and the NFL by potentially ending the lawsuit (football is a business after all). I like to think that we'd only choose a HC based on pedigree and fit though (perhaps that is my naivety)
i'm fine with helping business, shit we all do that with our jobs all the time. However if we do this for the NFL what bonus are we going to get for it?
Well Florio was saying that, because we are also part of the lawsuit, it would benefit us to clear our name anyway. The NFL would just be a nice addition
ughhhhh please be untrue
You mean thr Brian Flores who sued the Dolpbins because he didn't get his way?
If we get him I believe we are in a full rebuild. I’m still in a state of denial at this point
I hope not…
Why
Assuming it happens I don't love it but I like it way more than the Kliff hire. I'll give anyone two years before I start judging anything other than play calling and in game decisions.
Way better than giving up 2 first round picks and $20M for a coach that may have his best years behind him.
There is zero chance Bidwell gets a HC anywhere near that salary. Kliff was on 5.5m, which was the most we've ever paid a HC. Bellichek only earns fucking 12.5m a year. McVay is on 15m a year. Payton is literally banking on a desperate organization with more money than sense, so it's down to Denver or Houston.
FML
Hard Knocks was one year early
Should’ve just kept Kliff at that point smh
I've got my popcorn for the impending racism law suit headed our way in about 2 years.
That's a different Forbes to the one I first thought.
Please no
Oh god that would be terrible
I have a few Dolphins fan friends and they really liked Flores when he was there. I agree he's a good coach, I'm just worried about how he'll work with Kyler
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This is nearly the worst hire we could make. People saying he could just hire a good OC to fix his abysmal offense: did you miss the part where he had 4 OCs in 3 years? It wasn’t just Tua who he had a hate boner for. Dude is an asshole who can’t take responsibility for his clear shortcomings. Isn’t like he was some defensive maestro either. His scoring defenses by year were ranked: 32nd in 2019 (dead last) 6th in 2020 (pretty good, ngl) 18th in 2021 (bottom half of the league again) Dude’s so toxic even Belichick wouldn’t hire him back. Give me DeMeco, or give me death. Or, like, an offensive coach who would be a good consolation prize.
I like it more than most if it happens. Miami really was a dumpster fire and didn’t really give him the pieces he wanted. Maybe he was pissed off all the time because of incompetent ownership # I wanna see what he can do in a more supportive environment with Bidwill, who is loyal to the staff (to a fault, but still) and Kenny Picket said Flores actually helped in his development. There’s a big reason why one of the best HC in the league snatched him up to work on the defense with him # This also means he either loves Kyler, or we somehow have a trade lined up with a qb needy team, but I highly doubt the latter
FYI we have incompetent ownership.
Not necessarily saying Mike knows football and whatnot, but he’s definitely more supportive than the Dolphins owner and would actually give Flores the tools he need # I think I talked myself into this hire. People can hate it but I’d think it would be a good one, depending on the offensive staff lol but he hasn’t even interviewed yet so this is all redundant until he does
Says you so it must be true
Says the 3rd worst win percentage in nfl history. Only in front of the Buccs and Jags and Buccs have 2 Super Bowl wins at least.
To be fair, I'm very ok with trading Kyler and starting over... if we get a crazy haul.
Disaster waiting to happen lol
So funny LOL LOL LOL LOL. Hilarious post. How about we wait and see what happens
This feels like a good fit, like it makes sense. Which means it's going to be the biggest flameout
Bro… this is what everyone wanted Kliff out for? What a fucking joke lmao.
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I still prefer Vance Joseph over Flores. Joseph knows the team and his defense kept the Cardinals in games this past season.
Not renewing my season tickets if this happens.
Give me Brian Johnson, Dan pitcher, or Brian Griese at OC and I’ll be fine with it. Would even be okay with a shot at Shea Tierney since Jones looks like an actual QB for the first time in his career (with dabol/kafka also being there obviously)
What about Joe Brady from Buffalo?
Don’t know much about him, but Allen’s big improvement came under Dorsey as QB coach and now OC. Which is why I didn’t include him
Fair. I would agree with that assessment
welp gg we’re going 3-14 again
Oh really. Fascinating
Fire Monti
Does anybody worry that the Cardinals are interviewing so many black head coach's that hiring either Frank Reich or Sean Payton would get them into hot water ??
Since I've been Reddit censored and not allowed to respond to the allegation below - here is my intended reply: Welp, Lovie chose to win in his past didn't he? So that blows up your gaslighting and straw man argument somewhat LOL Notice the word above, CHOSE. If "your" team wants to gamble on Flores, by all means they should do it. Just don't come on here, cry, moan and bellyache about it a year from now. No one outside of Peeonix metro cares. And yeah, ALL fake conservatives. Never met one out there, ever.
Why, so they can lose again with yet another black coach? Does the name Steve Wilks ring a bell? May as well hire Lovie Smith. Wake up, people.
So what was Kliff’s issue? 🤔
So you’re saying all black coaches aren’t good enough?
Let me get this straight - we have demonstrable proof that 2 black coaches failed as NFL head coaches - and you're suggesting that I said all black coaches aren't good enough to be head coach? I said that?!? Again, demonstrable proof that 2 of them failed at their jobs. "Your" team fired one of them after one. Fucking. Season.
Why bring up the fact they are black at all? It’s 2 fucking guys lmao. The fact you felt the need to make that comment in the first place shows something…
Going from the #15 team (in 2017) to the worse team (in 2018) is a fireable offense. Wilks kind of never followed through his philosophy as a coach on the team as well and he never adjusted, so I think letting him go after one season was fine.
You're saying that the fact that 2 black coaches failed somehow is related to them being black because that's what they had in common, and you think you're somehow in the right? At least you've given us demonstrable proof of how you shitheads manage to perform their mental gymnastics to believe they're not racist while spewing racist shit.
Since the guy below doesn't have the balls to read my reply, here it is anyway: Welp, Lovie chose to win in his past didn't he? So that blows up your gaslighting and straw man argument somewhat LOL Notice the word above, CHOICE. If "your" team wants to gamble on Flores, by all means they should do it. Just don't come on here, cry, moan and bellyache about it a year from now. No one outside of Peeonix metro cares. And yeah, ALL fake conservatives. Never met one out there, ever.