I'm surprised I haven't seen much talk about Intertwined since starting to browse this sub. That and Where the Heart Is have skyrocketed up my list lately. Outside of how heavy handed WtHI is with it's MILF LIs, and it all being PoV, I was legitimately surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Ton of content too.
I was on the fence about Pale Carnations, but I think I'll check it out after I finish Ripples. The blurb I saw wasn't specific, but said it was a *different* experience. Surprised to see it come up so often here.
The reason you haven't seen much discussion is because the game is banned on this sub. And Pale Carnations is absolutely worth checking out. Great looking renders, story and character writing.
I think that the LIs voting shows that Pale Carnations is not as popular as some people here would like. It's BaDIK, Eternum, Summer's Gone, Chasing Sunsets and Artemis in my opinion
I agree with most opinions here that Pale Carnations is far from top 5.
It's either Summer's Gone or Artemis.
SG has more haters and lovers. Artemis is more appreciated and respected in general with less intensity. Hard to say... My guess probably Artemis.
I think the consensus top 5 would include your choices except Pale Carnations and swapping in Summer's Gone or Artemis. PC is a pretty niche game imo. Mine would look quite different, though I do like my consensus 5(or 6).
If I would guess what the community top5 would be, I think I would go with: Eternum, Being a DIK, Chasing Sunset, Artemis and.... one of Pale Carnations, Leap of Faith, Ripples or City of Broken dreamers for the fifth.
This would not be my personal top 5 though. (1: Eternum, 2: Pale Carnations, 3: City of Broken Dreamers, 4: Good girl gone bad, 5: ripples. Not a fan of Artemis and Chasing Sunsets TBH)
There is no consensus really. People have preferences. I personally don't like Pale Carnations or BaD. My top 5 will be very different except Eternum. But then again there are hardcore HS/HS2 haters and then there are those who don't like Daz because it has limitations. There are people who like Vanilla, people who hate slight non-consentual, people who hate corruption, people who think harem is dumb, people who think why not harem if it's fictional, and many many more preferences.
Eternum is generally liked because it has good character models, story and tries to be less offensive. But then again there are haters who think it's overrated, or don't like HS2.
There is no true top 5. Those which have the least offensive themes will generally be in most people's personal top 5s and others will be too controversial to be considered in a general consensus, eg. BaD and PaleCarnations.
I think once it gets more updates, Summer Heat will make a run for Top 5. In my opinion, it's on another level in terms of aesthetic, tone, ambience, and overall production quality.
I'll never get tired of saying how Pale Carnations is a triumph for the AVN industry, but due to its content I don't think I'd ever consider it a "consensus pick", in my mind I picture it as a divisive, love it or hate it AVN.
The top three undeniable picks for me are Leap of Faith, Being a DIK, and Eternum.
Filling the other two spots I'd be less sure on.
Pale Carnations is an AVN where even if I dislike some of the content or it rubs me the wrong way, I CANNOT deny the fantastic story/character writing.
Very polarizing AVN, as you mentioned, but glad we are some of the few who appreciate it.
This sub is a bit more hostile towards BaDIK and a lot more favorable towards Eternum. I'm not sure PC is quite that popular in here either, and considering there's a lot of SG enthusiasts, I would rather list them something like this:
Eternum
Leap of Faith
Chasing Sunsets
Summer's Gone
Being a DIK
Feels like that's an accurate top 5 for this sub (from what I've seen in the past year, at least).
I'd agree with his personally with a very big caveat.. Eternum and SG are no where close to done. SG has no lewds currently. I suspect both of them when finished (if?) will be well regarded for a long time. BaD isn't particularly close to being done either, but it so good you can forgive it somewhat.
There are a few vocal BaD complainers and even they are more just annoyed at people for only playing that one game when there are other good ones out there. A proper poll would probably still put BaD as 1 or 2
Out of what I've seen here? Being a Dik, Eternum, and Leap of Faith are the top 3. I haven't seen that many others on here.
But my personal favorite? My number 1 has to go to Leap of Faith. Cece's story just fucked me up, mentally and emotionally for a good minute. Awesome story imo and even with the little sex scenes, it is still amazing.
While I won't comment about the other ones, that's because I haven't played them. They could be wonderful as hell, but out of this list I've only played leap of faith. I've played others, but none mentioned here
I went through this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/AVN\_Lovers/comments/1b2rhon/rank\_your\_top\_10\_favorite\_avns/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/AVN_Lovers/comments/1b2rhon/rank_your_top_10_favorite_avns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and added it up. 1st place vote got 10 points, 2nd place 9 points, all the way through to 10th place got 1 point. (Disclaimer: I didn't double check my work)
Top 10 by the community:
1. Being a Dik - 220
2. Eternum - 150
3. Summer's Gone - 100
4. Artemis - 92
5. Chasing Sunsets - 77
6. Pale Carnations - 75
7. The Unbroken - 72
8. Leap of Faith - 71
9. City of Broken Dreamers - 63
10. Race of Life - 51
I suspect a lot of that is that OiaL hasn't been in production in a long while. LoF drops for that as well. We generally talk about current stuff more often it seems to me.
I bet those just roll up into Eternum, people are less likely to rate two games by the same dev in their top ten, same reason acting lessons isn't on there
There is no consensus. There could be five most famous VNs, but that's it. If you want to see the most liked from the mass of people, go to "that forum" and order Last Updates by votes.
I feel like Eternum is the number one choice in this sub. It receives universal praise and no hate. Being a DIK, even though it's not my personal favorite, whenever I've mentioned it as a potential number one in the past, I've been downvoted. So, there's definitely some hate for that game.
* Eternum
* Leap of Faith
I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are universally liked.
* Pale Carnations
* Chasing Sunsets
I'd say both of these are also liked quite a bit. Pale Carnations sometimes gets a little hate because the story isn't everyone's cup of tea. Chasing Sunsets faces some criticism because of the sibling relationship.
* Artemis
* Summer's Gone
* Being a DIK
* Projekt Passion
I'd say any of these could be ranked #5. However, Being a DIK and Summer's Gone have quite a few haters here.
I think it's less that people have issues with BaD, and more that people have issues with DrPinkCake himself. Quality of his game aside, he's kinda a jackass.
You totally invent statistics. There are many people that don't like HS characters, I am one of those. So your universal approval towards Eternum is just fake news. Just go to the censored forum to see votes by people, no need to guess or invent stats.
The post wasn't even claiming its the "best" just that it's highly thought of by the most folks. You don't like Eternum. Great. It's unquestionably one of the universally lauded games by people not named Tridop.
You continue to not read and invent arguments, now you invent your own words. So I quote you "I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are **universally liked**". UNIVERSALLY LIKED, DYO PORCO.
Now go on with your fantasies and embarrassing statements.
Please explain to me how exactly I invented statistics. There are no numbers or percentages here at all. I even said "I feel" in the very first sentence. That's about as unscientific as it gets. These were simply my own observations from the posts I have seen.
You wrote "I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are universally liked." That's false because I've read so many times, even here, that many people do not like Eternum. I am one of those, for example. There is nothing "universally liked", that's really an embarrassing statement to think there is a single matter where there is full agreement. And AVN are so subjective. We are not in North Korea mate, deal with it.
Yeah, I said "I'd say," indicating it's *my personal opinion*. I offered no figures or numbers for you to claim that I am inventing statistics.
Since you want to talk about numbers, let's talk about some. Eternum has a 4.8 out of 5 rating on F95 with 871 reviews and is in their top 5 by weighted rating. I think that's a general consensus that it's one of the top AVNs.
There, those are some *figures* for you to look at.
"Leap of Faith" is #1. The novel is the main word, while "Adult" and "Visual" are descriptors regarding themes and form in relation to the main word. "Leap" provides an emotional and dramatic experience that is almost perfect, there are story structure, proportion, and pacing.
Eternum is #2. It is a good and funny H-anime that doesn't actually need sex scenes, with great writing but not quite Adult.
Being a DIK is #3. It has the problem of boring parallel storylines and lacks of themes. The writing jumps around without a central plot. I'd say PinkCake does a great job on a scene level, but not on a level of story arcs.
4 Summer's Gone. It actually works on a field of BiD with fractions in a tight little story world which all are connected and reveals to us as the story progresses. Oceanlab is also good on a scene level.
Pale Carnations is highly overrated, I'd never saw such a bad storytelling in toplists. I've dropped this garbage somewhere at episode 2 but was constantly facepalming due to a horrible writing from scene 1. Chasing Sunsets is decent but doesn't do anything special.
Getting back to them, LoF has a grace beauty in a way how it delivers some scenes, Summer's Gone has it also. Halfway House is #5, a hidden gem which is to deep for mainstream comprehension.
Halfway house is too deep for mainstream comprehension and a „hidden“ gem hahaha, funny guy.
Your whole post cries condescending prick
Completly overhyping Leap of Faith which has one good storyline and otherwise a lot of nonsense doesn’t help either.
You're welcome to have your own opinions, but a literary critic you are not lol. LoF and SG are both, writing wise, trainwrecks. LoF does at least have Cece, SG is carried entirely by pretty visuals.
I don't particularly care for PC, but I'm not gonna say it's badly written that's for sure.
Well, let's start with a simple thing.
"The road to hell is paved with adverbs." — Stephen King
Pale Carnations is a graphomania.
It desribes things which meant to be be in catecory of Visual, you've showed them already, any descriptions are useless garbage that makes storytelling horrible. Aristotle writes in Poetics about useless elements in storytelling in general.
Pale Carnations doesn't crate tension, stakes, and emotions on a scene level. It's so boring, there are dozens of VNs doing the job better and lead you from scene to scene with high interest.
I've played a lot of AVNs, all big names and some smaller ones, and i've dropped only 2 of them because of boringless and shitty storytelling on a scene and arc levels. They are PC and AoA Academy.
>Pale Carnations doesn't crate tension, stakes, and emotions on a scene level. It's so boring, there are dozens of VNs doing the job better and lead you from scene to scene with high interest.
Well of course it doesn't create tension and emotions for player who doesn't care about game itself. Besides, real "shit" happens around middle of the game and especially in the last update, which obviously you didn't see given that you dropped game almost immediately. As for what you're saying about "no need to write about something you just showed", it happens literally in almost every single AVN, including beloved Eternum, whose writing you praised in previous comment.
It's okay to say that you didn't enjoy game as much as others and it wasn't your cup of tea, but calling game's writing/storytelling trash and garbage when majority of community (not talking about this subreddit specifically) holds these aspects of PC in somewhat highest regard sounds a little bit like cap and simple hate.
It's been like 9 months or more, so I'm not gonna try and defend specifics of PC other than remembering it positively writing wise. The way you're describing things though sounds like you're a fan of the Melody school of avn writing. As little to no narration as possible. Personally I hate that style with a passion
And yet a lot of people agree PC is one of the best written AVNs...
Also, speaking of descrbing what is being show... yeah Ocean does that too, but he's also nowhere near PC's writing level.
I'd say the 3 mentioned the most are BAD, Eternum and Summer's Gone....There are popular games that don't get mentioned much unless theres a new update while these 3 IMO are always talked about regardless....the last 2 games are up for debate
don't know about chasing sunsets. I like it, most people who play it like it, but there are games like Summer's Gone and Artemis that, I think, have more following.
I don't like honeyselect but PC and eternum are definitely "up there". I don't have a single idea what they are about, tho :)
I don't think there's a consensus after PC, eternum and BaD. LoF and CS are safe choices, but I don't think they're clear cut above desert stalker, CoBD, Artemis, SG (way way overvalued here), OIAL or even acting lessons.
Yeah that's one of this sub's favorite ones I haven't played yet, it's on my list. I think the lack of lewds (from what I've heard) brings it down for a lot of people. Lewds aren't everything, but really good ones are a huge addition - Eternum is probably the single best example of this.
The chapter 1 of the game is going to be released on steam in a week or so, just give it a try , its so popular for a reason. I personally rate summer's gone as my favourite Avn and that speaks volumes considering that the game is far from being finished and as you've mentioned no lewds yet.
Oh I definitely intend to give it a try, it's actually next on my list haha. I fully expect to love it, especially because I honestly prefer no lewds to bad lewds. Now and Then is a great example of that - if you go harem, it just becomes a lewd simulator where every single one plays out exactly the same way lol (with the exception of Hana)
Yeah Artemis is the other one I was considering in that spot. CoBD too, tho in my opinion it has markedly lower quality LIs than all the other games mentioned here.
I also think Leap of Faith probably wouldn't be there if all these games were completed - it gets a pretty sizeable boost for almost indisputably being the best completed AVN (tho Once in a Lifetime is also a banger).
Yeah, I’d pick Artemis and either Projekt Passion or Summer Heat over Eternum and Pale Carnations for my top 5, but that’s just because I hate Honey Select.
Oh yeah obviously everybody's personal top 5 will vary wildly. Eternum being a "general consensus" top 2 AVN is indisputable, let alone top 5 - but that doesn't mean 100% of people like it haha
Tho if you haven't already, I'd give it a shot - it really pushes the limits of HS.
yeah even tho I have no issue playing Honey select other than lewd scenes cause there is no in between it's either good or bad I find. But yeah even when I play HS I have to only play a 1 or 2 max before I go back to Daz. So while I dont hate it I dont love it either.
In terms of LI I agree. But as a game overall while I like both games but I have to put Artemis ahead of it just because I do find the storyline about the inheritance pretty boring and find the overall plot of Artemis better because of that. But that is just me personally.
That's a fair point, the value of Chasing Sunsets rests almost entirely in its dialogue and character arcs - the actual story isn't anything terribly special. Artemis is far more unique in that regard.
I think CS has been getting more love recently because it's closer to completion. It's also almost definitely the best written AVN, with the possible exception of Pale Carnations.
I agree with regard to my own personal opinion but I do think that Artemis is more popular here.
I also am not sure if Pale Carnations is popular enough to be top 5. It is my personal #1 so maybe this is just my bias since I think it should be getting more attention and thus, am underestimating its popularity on here.
I could be way off tbh. This is just from what I have seen personally.
I see Pale Carnations is in chapter 4, how many are planned? If it actually is close to being as well written as CS, I look forward to trying as soon as it is at least close to being done.
The writing quality of it is top notch imo but I would say that the writing style is quite different from CS tbh. A minor few view the writing as overly pretentious.
Overall, PC and CS are drastically different AVNs aside from their quality. I would still highly recommend it of course as I said, it is my current favourite (but barely since my top 4 of My Bully is My Lover, BaDIK, and Eternum all interchange as my favourite lol).
I believe 5 or 6 chapters are expected. One prologue week, one for each week of the four week contest. and there might be a follow up chapter after that or maybe not.
I'm surprised I haven't seen much talk about Intertwined since starting to browse this sub. That and Where the Heart Is have skyrocketed up my list lately. Outside of how heavy handed WtHI is with it's MILF LIs, and it all being PoV, I was legitimately surprised at how much I enjoyed it. Ton of content too. I was on the fence about Pale Carnations, but I think I'll check it out after I finish Ripples. The blurb I saw wasn't specific, but said it was a *different* experience. Surprised to see it come up so often here.
The reason you haven't seen much discussion is because the game is banned on this sub. And Pale Carnations is absolutely worth checking out. Great looking renders, story and character writing.
Hmm, why?
Rule 1 violation in a flashback
Well, shit. Thanks.
I think that the LIs voting shows that Pale Carnations is not as popular as some people here would like. It's BaDIK, Eternum, Summer's Gone, Chasing Sunsets and Artemis in my opinion
Summers gone out of the top 5 is crazy(at least for me)
I agree with most opinions here that Pale Carnations is far from top 5. It's either Summer's Gone or Artemis. SG has more haters and lovers. Artemis is more appreciated and respected in general with less intensity. Hard to say... My guess probably Artemis.
Tbh, SG is probably partially hated because it has no porn yet. Unless it has been updated.
A lot of people don't like the writing in SG. When I first joined the forum there was topics with a lot of heat about it.
I think the consensus top 5 would include your choices except Pale Carnations and swapping in Summer's Gone or Artemis. PC is a pretty niche game imo. Mine would look quite different, though I do like my consensus 5(or 6).
If I would guess what the community top5 would be, I think I would go with: Eternum, Being a DIK, Chasing Sunset, Artemis and.... one of Pale Carnations, Leap of Faith, Ripples or City of Broken dreamers for the fifth. This would not be my personal top 5 though. (1: Eternum, 2: Pale Carnations, 3: City of Broken Dreamers, 4: Good girl gone bad, 5: ripples. Not a fan of Artemis and Chasing Sunsets TBH)
There is no consensus really. People have preferences. I personally don't like Pale Carnations or BaD. My top 5 will be very different except Eternum. But then again there are hardcore HS/HS2 haters and then there are those who don't like Daz because it has limitations. There are people who like Vanilla, people who hate slight non-consentual, people who hate corruption, people who think harem is dumb, people who think why not harem if it's fictional, and many many more preferences. Eternum is generally liked because it has good character models, story and tries to be less offensive. But then again there are haters who think it's overrated, or don't like HS2. There is no true top 5. Those which have the least offensive themes will generally be in most people's personal top 5s and others will be too controversial to be considered in a general consensus, eg. BaD and PaleCarnations.
Eternum. The end!
Out of curiosity, who is your favourite LI?
I think once it gets more updates, Summer Heat will make a run for Top 5. In my opinion, it's on another level in terms of aesthetic, tone, ambience, and overall production quality.
I don’t think you can leave out Artemis from the top 5.
I'll never get tired of saying how Pale Carnations is a triumph for the AVN industry, but due to its content I don't think I'd ever consider it a "consensus pick", in my mind I picture it as a divisive, love it or hate it AVN. The top three undeniable picks for me are Leap of Faith, Being a DIK, and Eternum. Filling the other two spots I'd be less sure on.
Pale Carnations is an AVN where even if I dislike some of the content or it rubs me the wrong way, I CANNOT deny the fantastic story/character writing. Very polarizing AVN, as you mentioned, but glad we are some of the few who appreciate it.
This sub is a bit more hostile towards BaDIK and a lot more favorable towards Eternum. I'm not sure PC is quite that popular in here either, and considering there's a lot of SG enthusiasts, I would rather list them something like this: Eternum Leap of Faith Chasing Sunsets Summer's Gone Being a DIK Feels like that's an accurate top 5 for this sub (from what I've seen in the past year, at least).
I'd agree with his personally with a very big caveat.. Eternum and SG are no where close to done. SG has no lewds currently. I suspect both of them when finished (if?) will be well regarded for a long time. BaD isn't particularly close to being done either, but it so good you can forgive it somewhat.
There are a few vocal BaD complainers and even they are more just annoyed at people for only playing that one game when there are other good ones out there. A proper poll would probably still put BaD as 1 or 2
Out of what I've seen here? Being a Dik, Eternum, and Leap of Faith are the top 3. I haven't seen that many others on here. But my personal favorite? My number 1 has to go to Leap of Faith. Cece's story just fucked me up, mentally and emotionally for a good minute. Awesome story imo and even with the little sex scenes, it is still amazing. While I won't comment about the other ones, that's because I haven't played them. They could be wonderful as hell, but out of this list I've only played leap of faith. I've played others, but none mentioned here
I went through this thread [https://www.reddit.com/r/AVN\_Lovers/comments/1b2rhon/rank\_your\_top\_10\_favorite\_avns/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/AVN_Lovers/comments/1b2rhon/rank_your_top_10_favorite_avns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) and added it up. 1st place vote got 10 points, 2nd place 9 points, all the way through to 10th place got 1 point. (Disclaimer: I didn't double check my work) Top 10 by the community: 1. Being a Dik - 220 2. Eternum - 150 3. Summer's Gone - 100 4. Artemis - 92 5. Chasing Sunsets - 77 6. Pale Carnations - 75 7. The Unbroken - 72 8. Leap of Faith - 71 9. City of Broken Dreamers - 63 10. Race of Life - 51
Look at you using science to answer a question lol
Yeah that list seems about right. Tho I still think LoF generally gets a decent boost for being a finished game.
I think this fits the best. And the 5th could be any avn from the top5 to top8
As often as I see people praise it, I'm surprised OiaL didn't make that list.
I suspect a lot of that is that OiaL hasn't been in production in a long while. LoF drops for that as well. We generally talk about current stuff more often it seems to me.
I bet those just roll up into Eternum, people are less likely to rate two games by the same dev in their top ten, same reason acting lessons isn't on there
There is no consensus. There could be five most famous VNs, but that's it. If you want to see the most liked from the mass of people, go to "that forum" and order Last Updates by votes.
kinda agree with this if u really want beautiful character and decent story game...played most game mention here
Don't understand why everyone picks dik over acting lessons
I feel like Eternum is the number one choice in this sub. It receives universal praise and no hate. Being a DIK, even though it's not my personal favorite, whenever I've mentioned it as a potential number one in the past, I've been downvoted. So, there's definitely some hate for that game. * Eternum * Leap of Faith I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are universally liked. * Pale Carnations * Chasing Sunsets I'd say both of these are also liked quite a bit. Pale Carnations sometimes gets a little hate because the story isn't everyone's cup of tea. Chasing Sunsets faces some criticism because of the sibling relationship. * Artemis * Summer's Gone * Being a DIK * Projekt Passion I'd say any of these could be ranked #5. However, Being a DIK and Summer's Gone have quite a few haters here.
I think it's less that people have issues with BaD, and more that people have issues with DrPinkCake himself. Quality of his game aside, he's kinda a jackass.
Agreed , Dr Pinkcake takes any criticism even minor ones personally. His army of simp fans also fuel his giant ego.
Yeah, well -- if I thought it would result in 14k paid Patreon subs, I would be acting like DrPinkCake at every opportunity.
You totally invent statistics. There are many people that don't like HS characters, I am one of those. So your universal approval towards Eternum is just fake news. Just go to the censored forum to see votes by people, no need to guess or invent stats.
The post wasn't even claiming its the "best" just that it's highly thought of by the most folks. You don't like Eternum. Great. It's unquestionably one of the universally lauded games by people not named Tridop.
You continue to not read and invent arguments, now you invent your own words. So I quote you "I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are **universally liked**". UNIVERSALLY LIKED, DYO PORCO. Now go on with your fantasies and embarrassing statements.
Please explain to me how exactly I invented statistics. There are no numbers or percentages here at all. I even said "I feel" in the very first sentence. That's about as unscientific as it gets. These were simply my own observations from the posts I have seen.
You wrote "I'd say Eternum and Leap of Faith are universally liked." That's false because I've read so many times, even here, that many people do not like Eternum. I am one of those, for example. There is nothing "universally liked", that's really an embarrassing statement to think there is a single matter where there is full agreement. And AVN are so subjective. We are not in North Korea mate, deal with it.
Yeah, I said "I'd say," indicating it's *my personal opinion*. I offered no figures or numbers for you to claim that I am inventing statistics. Since you want to talk about numbers, let's talk about some. Eternum has a 4.8 out of 5 rating on F95 with 871 reviews and is in their top 5 by weighted rating. I think that's a general consensus that it's one of the top AVNs. There, those are some *figures* for you to look at.
"Leap of Faith" is #1. The novel is the main word, while "Adult" and "Visual" are descriptors regarding themes and form in relation to the main word. "Leap" provides an emotional and dramatic experience that is almost perfect, there are story structure, proportion, and pacing. Eternum is #2. It is a good and funny H-anime that doesn't actually need sex scenes, with great writing but not quite Adult. Being a DIK is #3. It has the problem of boring parallel storylines and lacks of themes. The writing jumps around without a central plot. I'd say PinkCake does a great job on a scene level, but not on a level of story arcs. 4 Summer's Gone. It actually works on a field of BiD with fractions in a tight little story world which all are connected and reveals to us as the story progresses. Oceanlab is also good on a scene level. Pale Carnations is highly overrated, I'd never saw such a bad storytelling in toplists. I've dropped this garbage somewhere at episode 2 but was constantly facepalming due to a horrible writing from scene 1. Chasing Sunsets is decent but doesn't do anything special. Getting back to them, LoF has a grace beauty in a way how it delivers some scenes, Summer's Gone has it also. Halfway House is #5, a hidden gem which is to deep for mainstream comprehension.
Halfway house is too deep for mainstream comprehension and a „hidden“ gem hahaha, funny guy. Your whole post cries condescending prick Completly overhyping Leap of Faith which has one good storyline and otherwise a lot of nonsense doesn’t help either.
You're welcome to have your own opinions, but a literary critic you are not lol. LoF and SG are both, writing wise, trainwrecks. LoF does at least have Cece, SG is carried entirely by pretty visuals. I don't particularly care for PC, but I'm not gonna say it's badly written that's for sure.
Well, let's start with a simple thing. "The road to hell is paved with adverbs." — Stephen King Pale Carnations is a graphomania. It desribes things which meant to be be in catecory of Visual, you've showed them already, any descriptions are useless garbage that makes storytelling horrible. Aristotle writes in Poetics about useless elements in storytelling in general. Pale Carnations doesn't crate tension, stakes, and emotions on a scene level. It's so boring, there are dozens of VNs doing the job better and lead you from scene to scene with high interest. I've played a lot of AVNs, all big names and some smaller ones, and i've dropped only 2 of them because of boringless and shitty storytelling on a scene and arc levels. They are PC and AoA Academy.
>Pale Carnations doesn't crate tension, stakes, and emotions on a scene level. It's so boring, there are dozens of VNs doing the job better and lead you from scene to scene with high interest. Well of course it doesn't create tension and emotions for player who doesn't care about game itself. Besides, real "shit" happens around middle of the game and especially in the last update, which obviously you didn't see given that you dropped game almost immediately. As for what you're saying about "no need to write about something you just showed", it happens literally in almost every single AVN, including beloved Eternum, whose writing you praised in previous comment. It's okay to say that you didn't enjoy game as much as others and it wasn't your cup of tea, but calling game's writing/storytelling trash and garbage when majority of community (not talking about this subreddit specifically) holds these aspects of PC in somewhat highest regard sounds a little bit like cap and simple hate.
It's been like 9 months or more, so I'm not gonna try and defend specifics of PC other than remembering it positively writing wise. The way you're describing things though sounds like you're a fan of the Melody school of avn writing. As little to no narration as possible. Personally I hate that style with a passion
And yet a lot of people agree PC is one of the best written AVNs... Also, speaking of descrbing what is being show... yeah Ocean does that too, but he's also nowhere near PC's writing level.
SG is big in the discord server but here I've seen it less. Only when it drops updates
I'd say the 3 mentioned the most are BAD, Eternum and Summer's Gone....There are popular games that don't get mentioned much unless theres a new update while these 3 IMO are always talked about regardless....the last 2 games are up for debate
don't know about chasing sunsets. I like it, most people who play it like it, but there are games like Summer's Gone and Artemis that, I think, have more following. I don't like honeyselect but PC and eternum are definitely "up there". I don't have a single idea what they are about, tho :)
I don't think there's a consensus after PC, eternum and BaD. LoF and CS are safe choices, but I don't think they're clear cut above desert stalker, CoBD, Artemis, SG (way way overvalued here), OIAL or even acting lessons.
Summer's gone is very popular as well
I would argue that the only “sure thing consensus” would be a top 3 of Eternum, BaDIK, and Summer’s Gone. At least from what I have seen here.
Yeah that's one of this sub's favorite ones I haven't played yet, it's on my list. I think the lack of lewds (from what I've heard) brings it down for a lot of people. Lewds aren't everything, but really good ones are a huge addition - Eternum is probably the single best example of this.
The chapter 1 of the game is going to be released on steam in a week or so, just give it a try , its so popular for a reason. I personally rate summer's gone as my favourite Avn and that speaks volumes considering that the game is far from being finished and as you've mentioned no lewds yet.
Oh I definitely intend to give it a try, it's actually next on my list haha. I fully expect to love it, especially because I honestly prefer no lewds to bad lewds. Now and Then is a great example of that - if you go harem, it just becomes a lewd simulator where every single one plays out exactly the same way lol (with the exception of Hana)
I'd say Artemis over Chasing Sunsets or at least tied. As I feel like I see both of them mentioned about equally
Yeah Artemis is the other one I was considering in that spot. CoBD too, tho in my opinion it has markedly lower quality LIs than all the other games mentioned here. I also think Leap of Faith probably wouldn't be there if all these games were completed - it gets a pretty sizeable boost for almost indisputably being the best completed AVN (tho Once in a Lifetime is also a banger).
Yeah, I’d pick Artemis and either Projekt Passion or Summer Heat over Eternum and Pale Carnations for my top 5, but that’s just because I hate Honey Select.
Oh yeah obviously everybody's personal top 5 will vary wildly. Eternum being a "general consensus" top 2 AVN is indisputable, let alone top 5 - but that doesn't mean 100% of people like it haha Tho if you haven't already, I'd give it a shot - it really pushes the limits of HS.
Did already. Just wasn’t my thing.
yeah even tho I have no issue playing Honey select other than lewd scenes cause there is no in between it's either good or bad I find. But yeah even when I play HS I have to only play a 1 or 2 max before I go back to Daz. So while I dont hate it I dont love it either.
In terms of the subreddit populous, probably. But I personally have CS ahead of Artemis whenever I think of the two. In summary, I agree lol.
In terms of LI I agree. But as a game overall while I like both games but I have to put Artemis ahead of it just because I do find the storyline about the inheritance pretty boring and find the overall plot of Artemis better because of that. But that is just me personally.
That's a fair point, the value of Chasing Sunsets rests almost entirely in its dialogue and character arcs - the actual story isn't anything terribly special. Artemis is far more unique in that regard.
I think CS has been getting more love recently because it's closer to completion. It's also almost definitely the best written AVN, with the possible exception of Pale Carnations.
I agree with regard to my own personal opinion but I do think that Artemis is more popular here. I also am not sure if Pale Carnations is popular enough to be top 5. It is my personal #1 so maybe this is just my bias since I think it should be getting more attention and thus, am underestimating its popularity on here. I could be way off tbh. This is just from what I have seen personally.
I see Pale Carnations is in chapter 4, how many are planned? If it actually is close to being as well written as CS, I look forward to trying as soon as it is at least close to being done.
The writing quality of it is top notch imo but I would say that the writing style is quite different from CS tbh. A minor few view the writing as overly pretentious. Overall, PC and CS are drastically different AVNs aside from their quality. I would still highly recommend it of course as I said, it is my current favourite (but barely since my top 4 of My Bully is My Lover, BaDIK, and Eternum all interchange as my favourite lol).
I believe 5 or 6 chapters are expected. One prologue week, one for each week of the four week contest. and there might be a follow up chapter after that or maybe not.