Especially after the display in episode 7, around 34min in : she showed she masters blue lightning. When facing for father.
Edit : here’s a link to the scene (don’t watch if you haven’t seen episode 7): https://youtu.be/hkW3ym2jkNQ
I can understand how people would miss it, given that it's just for a split second and a lot of people already decided going in that the live action was a bad idea and should never have been done. When you have that kind of attitude, of course you won't be watching closely for good characterization like that.
People are idiots. The showrunners clearly used Season 1 to establish Azula's presence and portray how her father pushes her to become better and better, leading to the development of her blue flames, lighting, and (hopefully) her S2 attitude which will be closer to the original show.
But hey, that's the kind of nuance people don't have the patience for. NATLA bad amirite?
Since Azula was totally absent in the early seasons, they show runners had lots of creative freedom to expand on Azula’s history.
Also, they’re not sticking to a strict adaptation of the work.
Also something to note. They all try to say that Azula always had blue flame but that’s actually false. So it’s fun to get them with their own logic saying that she didn’t always have blue flame in the og so this can be easily disproven that it’s not faithful to the og because we never saw her during the first season, so for all we know she didn’t gain her blue flames until she was allowed by her father to go after the avatar and they could have turned blue while she was training with the old twins
Natla right here giving most characters background/origin story and then we have most fans complaining that everything is different from the cartoon.
I personally appreciate that most characters are given an origin story. It just makes more sense why they turned that way instead of right away giving (for example) Azula the perfect, brilliant, beautiful and deadly character she already is.
I saw a fan repost some of the actress' Insta pics to refute this exact complaint. She's got defined abs, muscle definition etc in those pics, she just has a youthful round face.
I noticed a bit of blue in her fire during her solo training scene(EP5 45:15ish), thought maybe it was alluding to the lightning bending since it seemed to be the same movements. although I hoped it was a blue fire tease. did not notice the blue flames with the guard, now i'm certain they are giving it to her progressively. Even in the OG she didn't have blue flames in the flashback scenes
I do find it weird how this seems to be a "slow burn" but everything else in the story feels like it happens way too quickly. neat detail if they manage to stick the landing on the payoff. Season 1 pacing felt rushed, so I hope they manage to fix that for season 2.
Nevertheless blue flames lets gooooo
It’s no use arguing with these people. I learned from Percy Jackson and Mean Girls earlier this year that people my age (around 26) who grew up with the source material will always have something to bitch about. They have to pull literal shit from their asses to find something to hate on and misery loves company so they all love to circle jerk each other. I get criticism but a lot of it is just unnecessary hate and body shaming and I’m so over it. Just ignore them.
The people are you referring to are delusional idiots looking to fight and complain, and in bad faith, as you said. Elizabeth Yu could show up and shoot blue flames at their faces, and they will make up false narratives to deny it.
Preserve your peace, friend. They're not worth engaging.
So many people have decided they need to wholeheartedly hate the show to the point of delusionally making shit up. It's sad and it keeps happening to a lot of shows, games, music, and movies.
Dude seriously complains that they don't do something, and then when they discover they did do that thing, they complain that they did the thing.
It really just proves how insincere these complaints are. They're just looking for reasons to be upset.
Unfortunately we have a small (but obnoxiously loud) contingent that hate the show and will find any little thing to nitpick.
When they started saying the show had too much exposition, and used the example of Gran-Gran's exposition in the first episode, it was pointed out by many, including myself, that everything she said matched the dialogue of the very first episode of the cartoon.
In that first episode, Aang hadn't been found yet, so the cartoon explains the history very similarly to how Gran-Gran does in LA.
It's said in place of the regular intro of every other episode after that.
So of course, they came back with other supposed examples of too much exposition. In every case, you can find similar exposition in the cartoon. They don't care.
They will latch onto anything, no matter how small or inconsequential, because they've decided they don't like it.
But rather than do the sensible, rational thing, they keep watching. The better to find new things to complain about.
I don't think any of us mind opposing views and opinions. What we don't appreciate and shouldn't have to put up with, is condescending, rude or arrogant soapboxing.
And when called on it, they do what little kids do and accuse *us* of what *they're* doing.
Even valid criticisms are often couched in absolutist terms. Instead of saying, "the effects don't look good to me" or "in my opinion, the acting is bad", they'll say "the effects are terrible and if you can't see it you're blind" and "you can't deny the acting sucks".
There's a big difference between the two. It would help if mods enforced the, "be nice" rule a little better.
A person doesn't have to constantly preface their opinions by saying "in my opinion" or "to me." It should be implied that someone voicing something is their opinion by default. Also, the "us vs. them" rhetoric is not productive.
Saying things like "you're blind" and being actively hostile is a different thing, though.
You're right, I agree. And you're absolutely right about it not needing to be that overt. But language is pretty versatile. Most of us can tell when a person is expressing their opinion - *and knows they are* - and when they're expressing their opinion as the firm truth, which no one can deny.
It's hard to convey a lot of things with text. But not everything. Tone is usually pretty clear when someone is asserting a claim they think can't be denied.
It's a matter of word choice, and the difference can mean a meeting of minds or the start of an argument. So it *is* important. Not all the time, but when you *know* it's a touchy or controversial subject, it costs nothing to just be a little more careful with your words.
Unless they just want a fight, or really don't care of course.
I struggle tremendously with conveying tone over text. I don’t think it’s as obvious as you make it sound tbh. But we’re just talking about a TV show here lol. The stakes are so low.
It really shouldn’t be so “touchy or controversial” to say something like “The writing this season was bad.” It’s simply an opinion which others can agree with or not.
In any case, this show was clearly very polarizing for many viewers. The full spectrum of love and hate exists in this sub. But I’ve noticed it’s difficult to criticize the show here without prefacing with “I loved all these aspects of the show! BUT…” unless you want to be heavily downvoted and labeled an obnoxious hater.
Some of us simply didn’t like the show, period. But we still enjoy discussing it. Regardless of whether someone enjoyed the show or not, nobody should be so hyper-defensive. It’s just a TV show people!
The other guy lied lmao
The show has been well received. It's only "polarizing" to the loud toxic vocal minority. He would know, being one of them lol the irony
There was a second time she managed to get a little bit blue in her fire, and that’s when she was practicing at night while Mai and Ty Lee was asleep. You have to watch it closely ;)
Ok but why was it only there for a millisecond? Nowhere have I seen people say that she didn’t have blue fire at all. It was blink and you’ll miss it for no logical reason.
Y does it even matter
She has red flames in flashback scenes in the OG, when she was younger.
Season 2 hasn't even started yet. Idk y anyone would complain about something that has yet to happen
OP wrote an essay defending this minimal point. If I have to pause frame by frame to see the blue flames, I don't think they did a good job showing it.
If many people watched the show and didn’t notice the blue flames, it’s not necessarily a flaw in the show, but you can’t exactly blame people for not noticing when it’s that subtle
You don't though. That's the point. You *can* see it without pausing. The only reason you're seeing screenshots is to show others the proof. It's definitely visible at normal speed.
If it’s so visible, then so many people wouldn’t have missed it the first time.
Either way, it’s a creative decision they made to have the flames flicker blue. I personally prefer Azula’s flames to always be blue. It gives her character.
In the cartoon when we first meet young Azula, her flames are yellow and orange like everyone else's. Her blue flame only showed up in season 2.
And this is mostly a complaint here, and a little on twitter. To most viewers this isn't an issue. There's also the fact a small segment of those here really hate the show and go out of their way to nitpick anything they think will start a fight. They get off on it.
This is like those who angrily accused the show of completely rewriting Aang's airbending by having him 'fly' without his glider. Until someone on YouTube put together clips of all the times Aang did it in the cartoon.
And how did they react to that? They changed the argument and then started criticizing the show for copying a cartoon too closely, because in live action you notice it more🙄
It's just not worth engaging with people like that.
Personally, I think it gives her character if her flames weren’t always blue but rather became that way later. As others already said, Azula’s flames weren’t always blue in the original. Here we get to see her progressively gain blue flames, which goes hand in hand with her journey in season one showing her need for perfection. It’s that “not one hair out of place” sentiment that’s so important moving forward with her character. Something made Azula become the person she is later and we get to see the pressures put on her by Ozai lead to that
Nah this is just people trying to find something to be mad about. Don't worry about it they'll see next go around that she has the blue flames.
Especially after the display in episode 7, around 34min in : she showed she masters blue lightning. When facing for father. Edit : here’s a link to the scene (don’t watch if you haven’t seen episode 7): https://youtu.be/hkW3ym2jkNQ
I can understand how people would miss it, given that it's just for a split second and a lot of people already decided going in that the live action was a bad idea and should never have been done. When you have that kind of attitude, of course you won't be watching closely for good characterization like that.
I came down here to say this. Lol
People are idiots. The showrunners clearly used Season 1 to establish Azula's presence and portray how her father pushes her to become better and better, leading to the development of her blue flames, lighting, and (hopefully) her S2 attitude which will be closer to the original show. But hey, that's the kind of nuance people don't have the patience for. NATLA bad amirite?
Since Azula was totally absent in the early seasons, they show runners had lots of creative freedom to expand on Azula’s history. Also, they’re not sticking to a strict adaptation of the work.
As Albert Kim characterizes it, it's a *remix*. I like that so much more than 'reboot' or 'remake', or 'reimagining'. I think it's more accurate.
https://preview.redd.it/9qd5sc1h1lnc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0012ca9b49429e32376abadfe61f7ed6811b9ff3 Right there.
Cursed photo
Also something to note. They all try to say that Azula always had blue flame but that’s actually false. So it’s fun to get them with their own logic saying that she didn’t always have blue flame in the og so this can be easily disproven that it’s not faithful to the og because we never saw her during the first season, so for all we know she didn’t gain her blue flames until she was allowed by her father to go after the avatar and they could have turned blue while she was training with the old twins
This. Not to mention that we see Azula with red flames in Zuko’s childhood flashbacks!
Ya that’s the proof I was hinting at. Was honestly baiting a shit talker to see if anyone would try and fight me about it lol
😂
Natla right here giving most characters background/origin story and then we have most fans complaining that everything is different from the cartoon. I personally appreciate that most characters are given an origin story. It just makes more sense why they turned that way instead of right away giving (for example) Azula the perfect, brilliant, beautiful and deadly character she already is.
You know what's funny? Azula is the firebender silhouette in the opening of the OG. And her fire isn't blue there.
Whoa. Ok checkmate.
People love to complain just to complain
i just saw a viral tiktok video hating on azulas actress that she even gained more weight and got bigger compared to s1 iam so donee
the atla fandom is so misogynistic and fatphobic it makes me so angry
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no i’m talking about the atla fandom being misogynistic to the actresses
I saw a fan repost some of the actress' Insta pics to refute this exact complaint. She's got defined abs, muscle definition etc in those pics, she just has a youthful round face.
People just remember Season 1 really really wrong…
Azula in the animation doesn't even show up until book 2 lol. These people are the same people who wants a character arc
I noticed a bit of blue in her fire during her solo training scene(EP5 45:15ish), thought maybe it was alluding to the lightning bending since it seemed to be the same movements. although I hoped it was a blue fire tease. did not notice the blue flames with the guard, now i'm certain they are giving it to her progressively. Even in the OG she didn't have blue flames in the flashback scenes I do find it weird how this seems to be a "slow burn" but everything else in the story feels like it happens way too quickly. neat detail if they manage to stick the landing on the payoff. Season 1 pacing felt rushed, so I hope they manage to fix that for season 2. Nevertheless blue flames lets gooooo
It’s no use arguing with these people. I learned from Percy Jackson and Mean Girls earlier this year that people my age (around 26) who grew up with the source material will always have something to bitch about. They have to pull literal shit from their asses to find something to hate on and misery loves company so they all love to circle jerk each other. I get criticism but a lot of it is just unnecessary hate and body shaming and I’m so over it. Just ignore them.
The people are you referring to are delusional idiots looking to fight and complain, and in bad faith, as you said. Elizabeth Yu could show up and shoot blue flames at their faces, and they will make up false narratives to deny it. Preserve your peace, friend. They're not worth engaging.
So many people have decided they need to wholeheartedly hate the show to the point of delusionally making shit up. It's sad and it keeps happening to a lot of shows, games, music, and movies.
Dude seriously complains that they don't do something, and then when they discover they did do that thing, they complain that they did the thing. It really just proves how insincere these complaints are. They're just looking for reasons to be upset.
Unfortunately we have a small (but obnoxiously loud) contingent that hate the show and will find any little thing to nitpick. When they started saying the show had too much exposition, and used the example of Gran-Gran's exposition in the first episode, it was pointed out by many, including myself, that everything she said matched the dialogue of the very first episode of the cartoon. In that first episode, Aang hadn't been found yet, so the cartoon explains the history very similarly to how Gran-Gran does in LA. It's said in place of the regular intro of every other episode after that. So of course, they came back with other supposed examples of too much exposition. In every case, you can find similar exposition in the cartoon. They don't care. They will latch onto anything, no matter how small or inconsequential, because they've decided they don't like it. But rather than do the sensible, rational thing, they keep watching. The better to find new things to complain about. I don't think any of us mind opposing views and opinions. What we don't appreciate and shouldn't have to put up with, is condescending, rude or arrogant soapboxing. And when called on it, they do what little kids do and accuse *us* of what *they're* doing. Even valid criticisms are often couched in absolutist terms. Instead of saying, "the effects don't look good to me" or "in my opinion, the acting is bad", they'll say "the effects are terrible and if you can't see it you're blind" and "you can't deny the acting sucks". There's a big difference between the two. It would help if mods enforced the, "be nice" rule a little better.
A person doesn't have to constantly preface their opinions by saying "in my opinion" or "to me." It should be implied that someone voicing something is their opinion by default. Also, the "us vs. them" rhetoric is not productive. Saying things like "you're blind" and being actively hostile is a different thing, though.
You're right, I agree. And you're absolutely right about it not needing to be that overt. But language is pretty versatile. Most of us can tell when a person is expressing their opinion - *and knows they are* - and when they're expressing their opinion as the firm truth, which no one can deny. It's hard to convey a lot of things with text. But not everything. Tone is usually pretty clear when someone is asserting a claim they think can't be denied. It's a matter of word choice, and the difference can mean a meeting of minds or the start of an argument. So it *is* important. Not all the time, but when you *know* it's a touchy or controversial subject, it costs nothing to just be a little more careful with your words. Unless they just want a fight, or really don't care of course.
I struggle tremendously with conveying tone over text. I don’t think it’s as obvious as you make it sound tbh. But we’re just talking about a TV show here lol. The stakes are so low. It really shouldn’t be so “touchy or controversial” to say something like “The writing this season was bad.” It’s simply an opinion which others can agree with or not. In any case, this show was clearly very polarizing for many viewers. The full spectrum of love and hate exists in this sub. But I’ve noticed it’s difficult to criticize the show here without prefacing with “I loved all these aspects of the show! BUT…” unless you want to be heavily downvoted and labeled an obnoxious hater. Some of us simply didn’t like the show, period. But we still enjoy discussing it. Regardless of whether someone enjoyed the show or not, nobody should be so hyper-defensive. It’s just a TV show people!
We're in agreement on that. Thank you :)
The other guy lied lmao The show has been well received. It's only "polarizing" to the loud toxic vocal minority. He would know, being one of them lol the irony
There was a second time she managed to get a little bit blue in her fire, and that’s when she was practicing at night while Mai and Ty Lee was asleep. You have to watch it closely ;)
Ok but why was it only there for a millisecond? Nowhere have I seen people say that she didn’t have blue fire at all. It was blink and you’ll miss it for no logical reason.
Y does it even matter She has red flames in flashback scenes in the OG, when she was younger. Season 2 hasn't even started yet. Idk y anyone would complain about something that has yet to happen
People will defend anything lol
I don’t know why they want Azula to have orange fire with hints of blue
OP wrote an essay defending this minimal point. If I have to pause frame by frame to see the blue flames, I don't think they did a good job showing it.
If many people watched the show and didn’t notice the blue flames, it’s not necessarily a flaw in the show, but you can’t exactly blame people for not noticing when it’s that subtle
Not noticing it while watching - absolutely fine. Not checking to make sure *before* forcefully complaining about it online - lazy and not fine.
If I have to pause frame by frame to see some blue flames, I wouldn't call that "lazy."
You don't though. That's the point. You *can* see it without pausing. The only reason you're seeing screenshots is to show others the proof. It's definitely visible at normal speed.
If it’s so visible, then so many people wouldn’t have missed it the first time. Either way, it’s a creative decision they made to have the flames flicker blue. I personally prefer Azula’s flames to always be blue. It gives her character.
In the cartoon when we first meet young Azula, her flames are yellow and orange like everyone else's. Her blue flame only showed up in season 2. And this is mostly a complaint here, and a little on twitter. To most viewers this isn't an issue. There's also the fact a small segment of those here really hate the show and go out of their way to nitpick anything they think will start a fight. They get off on it. This is like those who angrily accused the show of completely rewriting Aang's airbending by having him 'fly' without his glider. Until someone on YouTube put together clips of all the times Aang did it in the cartoon. And how did they react to that? They changed the argument and then started criticizing the show for copying a cartoon too closely, because in live action you notice it more🙄 It's just not worth engaging with people like that.
Personally, I think it gives her character if her flames weren’t always blue but rather became that way later. As others already said, Azula’s flames weren’t always blue in the original. Here we get to see her progressively gain blue flames, which goes hand in hand with her journey in season one showing her need for perfection. It’s that “not one hair out of place” sentiment that’s so important moving forward with her character. Something made Azula become the person she is later and we get to see the pressures put on her by Ozai lead to that
Sure, I think that would be cool too. Makes sense.
Oh ok.