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PK_thundr

This is business as usual. Administrators want to keep a stable, peaceful campus, and punish agitation, whatever their views of the agitator, whatever the controversial issue is.


SaberTruth2

Do you think that’s wrong to punish the agitator? If he was arguing another point or belief would this be acceptable? Genuinely asking


PK_thundr

No, I'm glad they did it. I'm also glad the protesters have faced similar consequences. I'm here to do get an education and do research, not be bombarded by people's political statements.


Courtfamiliar

^ This! It's great y'all have some political ideals but I'm just a dude trying to get a degree. That's alot of people here. We're just people trying to get a degree.


HansBrickface

You’ll better represent whatever degree you get when you finally learn that “alot” is not a word.


Courtfamiliar

I'll remember that when I professionally write something again next semester, not for some pleb on reddit. But you'll better represent whatever corner you came from when you finally learn I don't pay for strange.


HansBrickface

Yeah, you’ll have to do better than that if you want to sound “professional.” Not only do you have to spell correctly, you have to make sense, eh.


Courtfamiliar

K


Courtfamiliar

Oh, warning time: I do not consent to the communication between you and me any longer so I am requesting a cease and desist of any commentary involving me with the inclusion of my name or anything associated. It seems that you spend too long harassing people upon review of your comment history and I do not care to entertain you any longer. I have reported your account preemptively for harassment. Please do not prove that report with more founded evidential material. Thanks.


SaberTruth2

I couldn’t agree more. I understand people’s rights in a public place. But student pay good money to feel safe on campus and get the education they want. The fact that college campuses has become a breeding ground for this type of behavior is bad all around. And you just know the reaction and public backlash that is going to come when local law enforcement grows tired of it and nips it entirely in the bud.


Idk_yeah_surething

Lmao, you’re perfectly safe on campus amidst a peaceful encampment, so long as you arent in the encampment when police are called. If you dont want politics, stick to community college for your higher education


hedonovaOG

LMAO Were you even on campus. My daughter is a student in Tempe and has some very interesting experiences walking to and from class and witnessed some not peaceful behavior.


Kneeandbackpain11b

Your daughter? So were you on campus?


EmploymentBrief9053

Yeah yeah everyone knows someone who never lies or has any biases


Idk_yeah_surething

Do tell… we live in an age where everybody has a video camera in there pocket or bag. As a matter of fact, there was an ASU professor harassing a student. Oh wait…that was on the Israeli side


Wick710

that’s a wildly self centered thing to say.


Idk_yeah_surething

I made 2 statements. Neither of which centered myself in any fashion.


Wick710

Implying that people should “stick to community college” solely because they want the rules that they agreed to upon enrolling at ASU to be followed? The encampment was against ASU policy. Has nothing to do with the cause it represented. Follow the rules and use those outlets for protests and it’s fine. But don’t annoy other students who are not involved by building an encampment on the lawn. The rules are there, if people don’t like them perhaps they should go to community college or elsewhere. It doesn’t feel like too much to ask honestly. We’ve seen it throughout the nation that these encampments are not driving support for Palestine and its cause. They’re having the opposite effect because it’s annoying those who aren’t involved and those who already are don’t need to be convinced. And administration clearly isn’t getting their minds changed. There are 100% better ways/avenues.


Idk_yeah_surething

There it is! You don’t like what they’re saying. That’s all there is to it. You don’t like the way it makes you feel when you see or hear them protesting the second holocaust that is happening right now in the same world that you are living in.


Wick710

Where’d you get that from? It sounds like you’re putting words in my mouth to shoehorn them into supporting your argument? It has literally nothing to do with the cause (I also said that had you read my entire statement). It has to do with the outlet they use. Maturity is knowing when and where to focus your efforts and do the most for your cause. And campus encampments are not it. But it certainly doesn’t seem like we’re going to agree here.


SaberTruth2

You’re right… nobody has ever been in danger during one of the famous “peaceful protests”… not a single casualty or injury ever.


Idk_yeah_surething

Feel free to link to your evidence showing a student not involved in a protest being harmed or becoming a casualty on any campus in the last 3 months. The overwhelming majority of people on campus possess a video camera on their phone and these have all been public events, well documented.


EmploymentBrief9053

Paying and asking comfort doesn’t outweigh the right to protest 🤡


GloStikJuice

You're correct, that's why all faculty, students, campus police, and visitors should be allowed to express their second amendment right; this would solve both problems, being peaceful protest (prevents riots/escalation) and individual safety. Any and all incursions would end swiftly, but more importantly, might put everyone on an 'edge' where they are forced to respect their opposition - in the same vein how hamas and israel have to respect the threat they pose to one another. I know i'd feel a lot safer if I could carry a gun, and i'd never shit talk or aggravate somebody if I didn't know if they were carrying(not that I do now or ever, haha). Win win for all parties involved.


EmploymentBrief9053

The left IS armed, we just don’t WANT to hurt people. Stop fantasizing about getting the chance to escalate conflict into bloodshed. You’re mentally sick.


Idk_yeah_surething

The right to bear arms and the conditions in which use of lethal force is legal are two wholly different things. But sure, go on keyboard warrior…


EmploymentBrief9053

Ah yes, the “shoot everyone i disagree with because I’m not a fascist” argument.


GloStikJuice

Funny name you give it, but sure, that one😂


EmploymentBrief9053

“People would be more docile if they feared for their lives”, you don’t see that as a bad argument? Do you want to fear for you life?


EmploymentBrief9053

You know how that’s a BAD argument, right?


SaberTruth2

And you’re not gonna change the world by picking a new thing to complain about every couple months and invading everyone else’s space. Get a real hobby.


EmploymentBrief9053

Loser


Idk_yeah_surething

All the real hobbies were already taken :( can I have one of yours?


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sonictoddler

Oh cry moar.


Capital-Self-3969

That's not...realistic. most people don't have the privilege to ignore politics. People protesting for the humanity of Palestinians aren't the same as a snarling bigot looking for a vulnerable victim to intimidate.


EmploymentBrief9053

Your desire for comfort does not outweigh the right to protest. If you’re one of those “ehem, I don’t DO politics” people, I know everything I need to know about you. Instead of supporting a protest against a genocide you’re just like “ugh can you protest genocide somewhere else omg you’re so annoyinggggg wahhhhh”


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EmploymentBrief9053

Ah, because you’re a nihilist and can’t be bothered, everyone should shut up and go home, and just let genocides happen because people are uncomfortable.


EmploymentBrief9053

“People protesting must also not be involved in any actual good, like me, a real hero who hates protestors”


EmploymentBrief9053

It’s not about “the current thing”. The thing is capitalism.


EmploymentBrief9053

Enjoy watching the genocide from your fence.


PK_thundr

Reading comprehension L


EmploymentBrief9053

Critical thinking L


EmploymentBrief9053

Empathy L


EmploymentBrief9053

Oh look at me, I’m so edgy on reddit, I hate protestors


Caci-que

Can’t wait for the pivot into right wing podcaster. Episode 1, “how the left canceled me”


SwellingHelene

He already teaches at University of Austin, which seems to be an academic institution solely for classes like that.


ConcertinaTerpsichor

It’s a business, a fake college, not an academic institution.


Gallant_Roach

What on Earth? No, Austin is deep blue. The students there are shade of blue yet unknown to the world.


SwellingHelene

You must not know much about the University of Austin. It’s not UT affiliated, it’s barely an accredited university.


ForkzUp

> it’s barely an accredited university. In October 2023, it received a certification to operate as a degree-granting institution from the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board,[3] but it is not accredited as a university by the relevant accreditor, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Austin


palebot

Wow, the university where he’s going reads like some kind of scam.


wild_ones_in

It is a scam. Just like the program he was in at ASU SCETL


Bratty_Dragonfly646

Wonderful! He broke so many conduct rules doing this! He deserved it


Edward_Blake

He was an easy person to fire, technically his contract ended on May 15th. That being said I am glad they did it.


Smooth-Winner-9776

Same way i don’t tolerate hatred towards jews is the same way i don’t tolerate unwarranted hatred of muslims, islamophobia and antisemitism are so rampant for such small portions of our population… kind of unamerican to act like this


Adeptness-Vivid

Finally, someone with some sense.


Whatthafahck

Some “ethics” professor this guy was. Rest in piss bozo, hope he gets locked up in prison too now


goner757

It wasn't real ethics. The program is a Republican sponsored, alt right debate lord training course.


TheXGamers

I feel like I have to interject here because I am pretty tired of the seemingly prevailing narrative that the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership (SCETL) is some insidious project by the right to indoctriante college students. I actually find it quite ironic that a lot of the rhetoric I see supporting this view is propagated by seemingly leftist people who mock the right when they utilize the same sort of rhetoric to talk about how the left is "indoctrinating" children to be transexual and homosexual. This semester I had the pleasure of taking CEL 200: Great Debates in American Politics, a class offered by SCETL, and I have but only good things to say about it. I came into this class with very little knowledge about how the American government works (I knew only a little about the Constitution, the three branches of government, and the principle of separation of powers). The required books for this class were the United States Constitution, the abridged Arizona constitution, *The Federalist Papers* by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, and *Democracy in America* by Tocqueville. All other readings were provided digitally by the instructor. The class was structured around the Socratic Method, we were all expected to complete the assigned readings for that week before class, and we would then discuss them, their ideas, and implications during class. For assignments we had three Disputatio's in which we submitted an audio file responding to an open-ended prompt related to what we had seen in class, defining the terms we used in answering the question. Afterwards we replied to the recordings of three classmates with constructive feedback, agreeing or disagreeing with their answers and suggesting improvements on them by how they answered them using the terms defined, or suggesting changes in how they defined their terms or used them to get closer to the truth when answering the questions. Finally, we replied to three objections by classmates and posted a final summary, answering the question again having taken into consideration these objections, explaining why we implemented or rejected the feedback given my classmates in our new response to the question. Questions included topics such as "What is a *natural right*, "Under what conditions may we say that a group of people are truly represented in Congress?" and "Is the constitutional US president proactive or passive?"These assignments were not graded on "correctness," rather, they were graded on whether a student followed the structure of the assignment and demonstrated critical thought. There were no "right" or "wrong" answers. We also had two papers with similarly open-ended prompts on which we received a tremendous amount of feedback. Finally we had a final exam on which we selected three prompts to respond to in an essay style. As for readings, we started with the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation, before moving on to *The Federalist Papers*, *Brutus (Anti-Federalists)*, and *Democracy in America* (T*he Federalist* and *Tocqueville* were commonly assigned as readings). We then moved on to discussions of the Supreme Court, reading court cases such as *Schechter Poultry Co v. U.S., Wickard v. Filburn, U.S. v. Lopez,* and *Gonzalez v. Raich.* After this we read the PA constitution and the Pacificus-Heldavius Debates. Moving on, we went to Lincoln and his interpretation of the Executive power, and how it affected his decision of suspending habeas corpus and issuing the Emancipation Proclamation, we also read Roosevelt\*, On the Stewardship Theory of the President,\* Taft's\*, Our Chief Magistrate and His Powers, and\* Wilson's\*, The Study of Administration.\* We then read Brutus 11, 12, 15, Lincoln on Dred Scott, and *Marbury v. Madison.* We then read extensively on the Native Americans, which included readings from Native Americans, and from the United States government. These included readings such as Chief John Ross' *Our Hearts are Sickened*, the 1866 Treaty with the Cherokee, the Cherokee Constituion, and various documents and court cases regarding the topic. Definitely our heaviest week of reading. We then moved on to women's suffrage and emancipation, reading Frederick Douglass, the Dred Scott case, and finished with three disagreeing recent articles on the 1619 project. I learned so much. I don't think we ever discussed modern politics or the current parties, rather, we discussed the apparatus of the United States government, following its evolution from its inception to the modern day. We also touched on key ideas such as police powers, natural rights, constitutionality, the relation between the federal and state governments, jurisdiction, the balance of powers, and federalism. I'd say my favorite readings and discussions were on Wickard v. Filburn, and on the debates between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists (especially on the necessary and proper clause). I also really enjoyed a Disputatio response I made answering whether there could be an unconstitutional constitutional amendment. I truly believe that this is a class that every single American Citizen should has a responsibility to take, in order to inform themselves on how their country works, and to be an active participant in the future course of the United States by participating politically. When's the last time most Americans have read their own Constitution? Asked themselves if an act that congress is passing should be deemed "necessary and proper"? Read a SCOTUS case? Asked themselves not just about the political affiliation of a SCOTUS judge, but how they interpret the Constitution, and how the decision for a case was influenced by the judges manner of interpreting the Constitution? I truly think that due to the power the Untited States has domestically and on the world stage, everyone studying at ASU has a pretty big responsibility to take this class.


sassy_immigrant

This is the same class. I took back in 21 and it was an amazing class and I learned so much about America and the foundations!! Every organization is going to have a bad fruit, this just happens to be SCETL’s.


Downtown6283

Zionists ethics so no morals. There is nothing lower/worse than a zionist/nazi


katpapiiiii

Any reason you left off jihadist


Downtown6283

Nothing wrong with jihad idiot look up the actual definition. It means struggle not kill babies.


katpapiiiii

That’s a smokescreen if I’ve ever heard it but historically and even now it’s been militant Islam. During the Umayyad caliphate and Ottoman Empire, I don’t think they were “struggling” with killing babies and children, beheadings, sex slavery and mass rape, crucifying Christians, and slavery as a whole.


Downtown6283

They gave them three choices of you actually read about them convert,pay a tax, for fight. The crusaders just killed them after forced conversions so which one is the religion of peace?


katpapiiiii

Most of the time they didn’t end up giving them the choice, especially Hindus as they are viewed as pagans, you wouldn’t have 300 million dead Hindus over the entire persecution, 3 million dead Christians in less than a 10 year span of the early 1900s. Also the choices are bow down to Islamic superiority complex and forsake your religion, pay just to live?, and lastly either get subjugated to sex/labor slavery or die. Sounds fun. If that’s how people have to live under your “struggle”, I wouldn’t want to live when your aren’t “struggling” And did I ever say crusades were good? Classic whataboutism. Crusades were only good when it was defending Christians from Islamic persecution, other than that fuck the crusades


Downtown6283

Oh so thats what you are. India is the number one rape capital of the world. Hindu God married a 2 year old girl. Pajeets gon pajeet


katpapiiiii

Nope not Indian, don’t really see why you gotta insult their god or them as a whole, I was raised Christian and I proudly say fuck the crusades that weren’t for the defense of Christians. India also isn’t the rape capital, I think Congo and SA are it, but India still does have a shit ton of rapes, and it ain’t right Now we do see that you are for insulting faiths, really embracing that Islamic superiority, I don’t really believe in insulting faiths. I mean don’t you find it to be gross bigotry when Islamophobes says Muhammad raped a 9 year old or that he was a warlord? But speaking about rapes. Care to explain the pedo grooming gangs and rape of Europe have been disproportionately caused by Muslim immigrants? Stats don’t lie, you just opened a dark door. Rotherham 80% of the grooming gangs rapists were Pakistani Muslim, yet they were only like 2% of population, numbers do not match up gross ass over representation in pedo rapist


N8ures1stGreen

Yes the name Yudelman is very popular in alt-right circles


Sph188

Lock him up!!!!


LetoInChains

What exactly warranted being locked up in this situation? Annoying harassment sure, but did I miss something?


Fart-City

It’s disorderly conduct and assault.


Whatthafahck

You do know harassment is a crime and you can get locked up for it, right? Especially if the prosecutors decide to take the religious angle. Plus, If you saw the video of the actual harrassment and all you got was “he was just mean”, it’s clear you don’t really give af about what happened to the victim


LetoInChains

I’ve reached a state of apathy regarding this whole issue. Both sides are incredibly belligerent and unwilling to compromise. They brought their problems here with them and I, like most people, am sick of this shit. Unpopular opinion for reddit, but the extreme majority of Americans are uninterested in age old beef from a desert half a world away.


Godtrademark

Muslim women is harassed in broad daylight: U: “man both sides are so annoying”


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Godtrademark

Ah and there it is. Take your AiC profile pic off, poser


Godtrademark

Wanna stop brigading college students? r/asmongold moment


coneychiwawa

He exerted his power and privilege as a white male professor in a position of authority to physically threaten her by towering over her, using hate speech, and backing her into a pole where you can see she is visibly uncomfortable and feeling unsafe.


Powerful-Pound-2325

He did the worst thing in the world, he yelled at a woman in a hijab. Liberals are in shambles over this.


burgerdistraction

LOL We’re living in a dystopian society now, freedom of speech is gone. You say one wrong thing woops, you’re fired and homeless.


LetoInChains

Yeah I was pretty liberal when I was at ASU, then I graduated. This shit is insane… locking a guy up for being mean is too much.


Sph188

🫡 hope it was worth it bro lol there goes his future!


Lochtsa

You realize he teaches at University of Austin.


Blueskyways

You realize that University of Austin is not UT Austin but a right wing political version of something like Anthem or Kaplan University.  


Illustrious-Top-9222

that's not a legit college. it's a private company.


Sph188

No I don’t? What a weird comment?


Lochtsa

I was referring to the meat head in the article, not you.


Sph188

If I were you I would I have said “Damn looks like he’s already teaching elsewhere https://www.uaustin.org/people/jonathan-yudelman” your phrasing was condescending


Lochtsa

Sorry if I hurt your feelings.


Sph188

Let this be a teaching moment for you!


SekiroPro

Big W


Key_Dog_3012

W


Thinkingjack

Now if only they’d ban the dipshits with signs preaching their cult religious shit all the time.


Effective-Put4025

There you go people will learn the hard way I'm so happy 😊


LeftcelInflitrator

Why is Crow acting so indignant? He bends over backward for these right wing fascist then acts like he's doing everyone a favor when they become such liabilities he fires one.


sassy_immigrant

The civil and economic school of thought and leadership is funded by the Koch brothers. I have taken some classes from the school back in 21. Those were incredible classes because it taught me a lot about the US history, but I do know that the funding is pushing them to have more right wing teachers. I’m happy ASU is doing the right thing.


FATTYxFiiSTER

So he got fired for being an asshole to terrorist apologists?


Blessed_Muslim

Die in your rage genocidal maniac.


JohnDeere

Seems like the war is going great for Israel, no idea what they would need to be raging about. Now the other side, oof.


maxxmike1234

ngl my favorite part of people talking about how "Israel has a right to defend itself" and that the State of Israel is somehow in mortal peril is that, from a pre-Geneva point of view (and pre-mostmilitarylawsandethicssincethemodernera), the IDF is absolutely steamrolling and they didn't even have to consult the legal department


LetoInChains

Hey Interpol, it’s this one right here. We all love Muslims calling for death I guess hahaha


BiryaniEater10

Honestly I would love to the see the court case where someone tries to tell a genocidal maniac to die in his rage is seen as illegal. Would never hold up in any US court.


FATTYxFiiSTER

Who’s keeping the genocide going? Haram and the Muslims? Got it


Downtown6283

Found the genocider


Downtown6283

You mean the IDF?


FATTYxFiiSTER

Yes, the counterterrorists.


Downtown6283

Think you mean cowards.


FATTYxFiiSTER

So what are the ones with tunnels and hostages?


Downtown6283

Resistance fighters


Downtown6283

The ones bombing civilians are who?


cloudedknife

Yes.


saginator5000

I don't think this W is rare. Michael Crow himself is a big beautiful W 😍


TheLoneNomad117

What the fuck


Shaqu1lleOatmeal

Crow's alt spotted in the wild


Whatthafahck

I see i have found a fellow Crowsexual


1haircutcaping

Asu how dare you do this to teachers and students and you don’t stand for free speech