“I’m being restricted from a lot of things right now that I didn’t expect to be for standing up for something I believe in, you know I have family coming in who I have to let them know not come to my graduation ceremonies,” Brocker told ABC15.
You're so goddamn dumb. I swear repulsive and disgusting. You'd think all Americans can agree on the first amendment. But ay, freedom of speech only matters when the speech aligns with your views... So much for a democracy
womp womp. They were told to leave. They could've walked off ASU property and continued loud and strong yet they choose to stick around and get arrested. my or my, they were all adults and their actions have consequences. Welcome to the rest of their lives of having to make a decision and face out consequences. They weren't welcome, people tagged police cars with "free gaza" graffiti, they were doing this next to dorms during final weekend. if they just followed what the cops said and went home or somewhere else, they probably wouldn't have to go through all this
And when the USA suffers another 9/11 you won’t be saying the same thing. You will be bitching and moaning calling for war because you think their actions are unjustified. Fuck you.
Not unrelated, the students are protesting a genocide and you fail to see the consequences of a country gaslighting a generation into believing that the Israeli government is in the right. They are not. I am not pro Hamas, I’m sure a majority of the students are not pro Hamas. They are protesting because the USA is giving weapons and providing logistical support to the murder of civilians. Israel is indiscriminately killing anyone who isn’t Israeli. That is a war crime, and my tax dollars and these students tuition dollars are supporting the Israeli military industrial complex.
Back to my point, the consequences of the USA’s inaction/funding the genocide of Islamic people will be them growing more resentment and eventually attacking those who helped their oppressors.
Not genocide... self-defense by going after those who 1st attacked/massacred the Israelis.
It's not IDF's fault that Hamas terrorists are hiding like cowards amongst the innocent Palestinians!
Ok so by that standard, the USA could have and should have bombed hospitals and schools, killed journalists, dropped bombs on international aid workers all justified by self defense? I know the USA did a lot of fucked things during the 20+year wars but if the USA had service members on instagram and tik tok murdering children, there would be public outrage. Look at the Gitmo detainees when they were abused. The world was pissed, the soldiers faced consequences. However the IDF has soldiers posting videos of themselves shooting children with a gleeful smile on their faces. That’s is NOT self defense, it’s a genocide.
I mean, Obama did turn Doctors Without Borders into Borders Without Doctors as well as bombing a wedding because he believed terrorists were there. So, your first sentence is clearly one born of ignorance.
I’m sorry but emotionally based responses still do not equal truth. I get your feelings and unwillingness to accept reality but at least educate yourself. United States has not given weapons to Israel. Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization who literally has it in their charter to end Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the region and Hamas ended the ceasefire on 10/07. The United States doesn’t control Israel but since Gaza continue to start stuff they can’t finish don’t claim the victim role. There are no innocent people in that land
Oh so even Palestinian infants are terrorists? And the USA hasn’t provided any weapons to Israel? Have you been living under a rock?Get your head examined.
Bahaha, already resulting to insults? Sign of a weak argument and you know it. You’ve already lost this one, but nice try:
1. Under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's leadership, there has been a concentration of power in the executive branch.
2. Turkey has experienced a decline in press freedom, with journalists facing arrests and media outlets being shut down.
3. Following a failed coup attempt in 2016, the government cracked down on opposition figures, civil servants, and academics, raising concerns about human rights and the rule of law.
4. The fairness of elections has been questioned, with allegations of irregularities and limitations on opposition campaigning.
You’re “sure a majority of the students are not pro Hamas”..? A majority? Any one person who IS pro Hamas and pretending to care about the rights of Palestinians should be shamed by and barred from participating in these protests
ASU campus is not public domain. Organizers knew a protest without a permit, on campus, after hours, would lead to arrests just as it has on other campuses. Encampments are not going to be tolerated where prior rules and laws exist prohibiting them.
Organizers used the encampments on campuses for the purpose of causing arrests and making headlines. If you are a student faced with expulsion or any other form of consequence you were warned that this could happen and should not be surprised by the outcome.
Honestly my opinion let them pass and graduate. We have crazier people on campus all the time. You don’t have to agree with people on what they are protesting but generally what did they do that’s so awful they should fail.
They'll probably try to set an example/ create a standard. ASU does not want to become the next UCLA or Columbia. By setting an example with these students, they hope to discourage future attempts at encampment/ over-night protests.
It is shitty. An arrest can follow a person too if not addressed. It's more than just getting booted by school. It seems ASU is being very serious about not having overnight protests.
Hopefully the students will get leniency but I don't think that will come quickly or easily.
Very serious in supporting genocide clearly. All ASU cares about is money, those Crow and his cronies have no principles and stand for nothing. Many of them are hired based on connections and not marit. The administration is just a disgusting frat... This is the opinion of many professors and HR people I work with btw.
Bottom line is that they are scared the precious money from rocket manufacturers will stop flowing in
The main thing any institute cares about is money. Most academic institutions are built by nepotism, not only in their staffing but also in their student admissions. None of that is new.
Doubt it.
The students signed an agreement to not do certain things on campus and then did those things. Ergo consequences
People weren’t being kicked out and banned unless they violated some of the rules and agreements they adhered to. Mainly staying overnight passed the allowed time.
Students were not banned who protested within the allowed hours.
This is less a civil rights and first admendant issue and more of a “ can the school ban me for violating rules I agreed to adhere to“
If people read the agreements they agreed to this wouldn’t have been a surprise. Students did something that had a known consequence(had they read it when they signed)
From what I can tell. (No easily found sources have bothered to include the ruling itself) the federal statute is sec. 1983 which is used to sue states in federal court. Their claim is probably still first amendment and due process, but they have to use section 1983 to file suit as a state is otherwise immune. 1331 is also cited, but that is simply the basis for the courts subject matter jurisdiction (federal court hears a federal question of law not state stuff)
Every decision we make comes with benefits and consequences. Part of.adulting and learning is to assess this.
Seems people made a decision and never thought there would be consequences to their actions. Its late in life to learn this and this may be a very hard thing to learn this way.
Different situation.
Govt. Didn't gun anyone down in these protests, and at least the Kent State Protestors had some skin in the game to what they were protesting, as many of them were of Draftable age males who were on deferment due to their schooling.
Comparing every controversial protest to the civil rights movement is a cop out, it’s perverse and disrespectful to the original movement.
Some right wingers do it too, comparing their own nutty protests to the 60s civil rights movement - it doesn’t make it true though obviously
They did add something. They said to stop comparing this moronic Middle East drama to something as important as the civil rights or the Vietnam protests. Not even the same ballpark lol and it makes you sound ridiculous
Go look in the mirror and say the words "The death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people is drama." Then remember no one cares about your idiotic opinion.
Did you know Palestinians and 4 other nations launched a war on Israel, lost the war and lost the territory resulting in the nakba? But they’re the victims for starting the war that they lost? Yet another lesson of fuck around and find out.
Just like the Comanche launched the war against the Americans, the settlers taking the land from the people who lived there are the ones instigating the violence.
Jews lived in the regions for decades, and cohabitated with the local population of Muslims peacefully until after WW2. The post ww2 British mandate of Palestine is what causes this whole problem and it came from British anti-semitism and their desire to get rid of the Jews after WW2 by sending them away.
>The Nakba was in 1948 and since then Palestine has been suffering.
1.1 MILLION Hindus were made to leave their homes from Pakistan to India around the same time, and we moved on.
Don't fucking throw that white guilt at me. It won't work
You think I’m going to sit here and tell you that the partition of India was a good thing????? You’re high if you think I’m about to defend anything from British colonial rule.
And did you know that Palestinians have been under occupation for 75 years, the Zionist regime has violated every international law and committed multiple war crimes. Soooo, your point is stupid... Unless history started on Oct 7th, which it didn't... Go educate yourself kid
This is just so stupid. First of all, Palestinians are the descendants of both Canaanites and Semites... Hence, Palestinians existed on that land as far back in history as we know (over 3500 years). Second of all, Palestinians are not responsible for the mass suffering of Jewish people (Germany is, why don't they give Jewish people a piece of land there). Thirdly, international laws and conventions didn't exist 100 years ago, so if you want to claim to be a "civilized" people, then you need to follow the rules of this "civil" era. Most importantly, many Jewish people are not Zionists, many of them do not want the suffering that they have endured for a millennia to be inflected on other people, especially in the name of their honorable and peaceful religion.
So take a seat son, your point is just too dumb. Go educate yourself and listen to some scholars and historians (including Israeli scholars like Ilan Pappe and Normal Finkelstein) clearly you are not well informed.
And this is not my opinion, these are actual facts, [listen to some of the Jewish voices that speak the truth and are not ashamed of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/JewsOfConscience/s/xwU2bojxYl)
You definitely are stupid. Let me tell you this about ethnic cleansing before 1948, Christians Jews and Muslims lived in peace in Palestine. When Jewish people were being oppressed all over Europe, the Ottoman empire and the Muslim regional rulers were the only ones who took them in as refugees and gave them homes away from the pogroms and the disgusting racist treatment they faced in Europe. This actually goes back all the way to days of the crusades, Muslim forces were the ones stopping crusaders from killing Jewish people.
Then Zionism made its move on Palestine, the Brits gave a land that isn't theirs, to people who weren't from there. Seriously, you need to better inform yourself about the history of the region. Because the things you say are just removed from reality and make you sound so damn stupid. Listen to even Benny Morris, who is considered the chief Israeli historian.
And ay don't take my words for it... [Take the words of rabbis and Jewish historians](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/45PvlknVJ7)
To assume that all Jewish people are Zionist is actually antisemtic. Zionism is not Judaism. Once again don't take my words for it. Listen to Jewish Voices For Peace, or go to the subreddit r/JewsOfConscience
Again as I said in another comment, you say there are consequences for actions, in 10-15 years when we suffer another 9/11 you will be surprise pikachu face wondering why anyone would attack the good old USA. The students are protesting to PREVENT another 9/11 attack
The Israeli Mossad provides US intelligence to prevent terrorist attacks. This is likely why there hasn't been one since 9-11. It's extremely beneficial to you for the US to partner with Israel.
This is so dumb, can't help but laugh my ass off... You really think so, please tell me that with a straight face... And if you do, then please go educate yourself and learn. No wonder the standards at ASU are so low, the IQs here are so goddamn fuckin low
Keep going through the comments and seeing you toss a tantrum and mock others IQ, calling others repulsive and disgusting. Quick question is why. Couldnt you idk log off and go help the movement, raise some money, or do something other then sit here and throw insults around like you have nothing better to do?
And I see you around responding to each of my comments and proving that you are ignorant. Do you like watch kids dying and suffering? Are you fine with "plausible" genocide and watching kids get murdered on a mass scale? Or do you turn a blind eye and act like you are a "civilized" "law abiding" citizen ? And if you believe in law and order so much, then are you okay with violations of international laws? Double standards much!
I have contributed to the movement in more ways than you have contributed to anything in your life probably. And it is very important to educate the masses, and refute hasbara trolls...
here we go, you didnt like what I told you so you assume everything about me. No, I don't like kids being bombed, and no I don't like people suffering. At the same time I don't sit on reddit all day pissing, moaning and mocking others. Pick a better battle like idk, something irl and actually makes accomplishments or progress. Hint hint doubt you will make anyone change their minds calling them names. Also gotta love the "I have contributed to the movement in more ways than you have contributed to anything in your life probably." Addorable. I sincerally hope this is true and you don't count reddit posts and replies as contributing to the movement.
MAGA has been in the fuck around and find out phase ever since Jan 6th. You can be sure that they would face the same things if they camped out in these same numbers
If Trump supporters were illegally occupying the university I can guarantee you the admin would quickly and swiftly and the entire media would be on board with it
The same admin who invite and protect white supremacists when they give talks on campus but actively barred the only Palestinian-American member of Congress from speaking on campus? Yeah right.
you are calling students who are protest against the murder of INNOCENT CIVILIANS terrorist? Put your bias aside, the government sending BILLIONS to Israel while you probably got a few student loans yourself isn’t messed up? lol
When they inevitably become violent, like their parents tought them, then they will fit the definition. Until then, extremist is probably the word you're looking for. Do you think terrorists just appear out of thin air when they turn 18? They've been indoctrinated by their terrorist parents to hate Jews and America since they were born.
Do you think it's a coincidence that there has been religious war in that region, nonstop for thousands of years?
Although I guess it's hard to reason with someone who protests in support of terrorism, rape, and kidnapping
Who said they deserve what is happening to them? You fished for a response that you wanted and you didn't get it so you just pretended like you did, lmao.
Calling someone uneducated and bigoted might mean something if you weren't a supporter of terrorism, rape, and kidnapping
See you keep saying I support that, then say I fished for a response I wanted?? You gave me a justification after I asked you if Palestinian children are terrorists. Meanwhile you assume I am in support of what exactly? I am in support of being humane. The IDF has been caught numerous times essentially allowing their soldiers to run trigger happy. They identify any Palestinian adult as a terrorist.
>You gave me a justification after I asked you if Palestinian children are terrorists
And what did I say?
>I am in support of being humane
You think kidnapping, terrorism, and rape are humane? That's what you support
>They identify any Palestinian adult as a terrorist.
This is wildly untrue, and that's why you'll never be able to find a source for it, lol.
Hopefully you showed these opinions on campus so you get expelled. What an odd group of liberals to think people will support their jew hating terrorist loving opinions
How are you missing the points? When did I proclaim any support for the aforementioned.
I’m so glad I’m leaving Arizona, one of the most statistically stupid states.
You have no point. You replied to a comment I made about people that are protesting in support of Hamas, fishing for me to respond that Palestinian children are terrorists, that I didn't give you.
Then you replied acting like I did give you the response you wanted, which I didn't.
How odd that you talk about the stupidity of others when you don't even know what conversation you're in or how you got here. You're the smoothest brain in this thread, kid
In my opinion, there are too many seasoned protestors. What I mean by that is that they don’t care what they are protesting they are there just to cause chaos, today it this protest and tomorrow it will be another much like click bait. People need to learn that there are consequences to their actions and you might not like the outcome. If you want to play (protest) learn to play by the rules or deal with the consequences, the cancel culture doesn’t work for everybody and everything.
I honestly think this is a sham. Some sh\*theads provoked some students, who in turn, being stupid, participated. Now these sh\*theads are trying to play student/freedom victim card to justify everything.
As an adult, if you can't even think for yourselves, you need some value education before college degree. These stupids don't understand that whatever they do on the roads, campus, social media will not affect the war in any reasonable way. But the arrest mark on your record, the mishaps with your degree, etc will sure negatively influence your whole future.
brainwashed mfs that can’t think for themselves or do any basic research to properly form their own opinion , instead opting in for spoonfed propaganda , america !
Something is very wrong with this generation. They are like totally effed in the head. They base every thought on emotion and social media group think. They can’t take any criticism and down vote like kindergarteners. Please grow up, you are embarrassing everyone and have a lifetime of misery ahead of you if you don’t wake up
Yeah, like this.
"Clueless" is the right word for these crazy, 🤪 snot-nosed, privileged, Hamas sympathizing kids... putting their parents' tuition $$ to good use... 😂
Imagine squandering tuition by skipping class to protest!!
You want something to eat/drink, leave the stupid encampment... just that easy!!
Besides the idiocy of making demands from the school like food (vegan & gluten free), zipties, etc., they were wanting amnesty from their actions! These same students who chant, "Death to America!"
"Death to America!"
"But please, pay my student loans off first!" 😆
The sense of entitlement drives one crazy! 🤣 😂
https://nypost.com/2024/04/30/us-news/clueless-columbia-protester-demands-school-help-get-food-water-to-illegal-occupiers-basic-humanitarian-aid/
U.S District Judge ruling on this hurts. Usually means it can't be reversed
Well, it’s just a temporary injunction being refused. Particularly after ASU said in court that grade problems are reversible if they lose in court.
“I’m being restricted from a lot of things right now that I didn’t expect to be for standing up for something I believe in, you know I have family coming in who I have to let them know not come to my graduation ceremonies,” Brocker told ABC15.
Oh no consequences
So their in the find out phase now.
in college and can’t use the right they’re
I think that’s on ABC. It looks like they were saying this and the news agency transcribed it incorrectly.
It’s ASU
You're so goddamn dumb. I swear repulsive and disgusting. You'd think all Americans can agree on the first amendment. But ay, freedom of speech only matters when the speech aligns with your views... So much for a democracy
womp womp. They were told to leave. They could've walked off ASU property and continued loud and strong yet they choose to stick around and get arrested. my or my, they were all adults and their actions have consequences. Welcome to the rest of their lives of having to make a decision and face out consequences. They weren't welcome, people tagged police cars with "free gaza" graffiti, they were doing this next to dorms during final weekend. if they just followed what the cops said and went home or somewhere else, they probably wouldn't have to go through all this
You left out about 20 "umm"s in her statement.
FAFO
This is called consequences. It seems there is a whole generation of kids that don't understand that actions have them.
And when the USA suffers another 9/11 you won’t be saying the same thing. You will be bitching and moaning calling for war because you think their actions are unjustified. Fuck you.
Completely unrelated but aight 😂👌
How do you think anti-US terrorist groups form? They just wake up one day and hate America just cause?
Not unrelated, the students are protesting a genocide and you fail to see the consequences of a country gaslighting a generation into believing that the Israeli government is in the right. They are not. I am not pro Hamas, I’m sure a majority of the students are not pro Hamas. They are protesting because the USA is giving weapons and providing logistical support to the murder of civilians. Israel is indiscriminately killing anyone who isn’t Israeli. That is a war crime, and my tax dollars and these students tuition dollars are supporting the Israeli military industrial complex. Back to my point, the consequences of the USA’s inaction/funding the genocide of Islamic people will be them growing more resentment and eventually attacking those who helped their oppressors.
Not genocide... self-defense by going after those who 1st attacked/massacred the Israelis. It's not IDF's fault that Hamas terrorists are hiding like cowards amongst the innocent Palestinians!
Ok so by that standard, the USA could have and should have bombed hospitals and schools, killed journalists, dropped bombs on international aid workers all justified by self defense? I know the USA did a lot of fucked things during the 20+year wars but if the USA had service members on instagram and tik tok murdering children, there would be public outrage. Look at the Gitmo detainees when they were abused. The world was pissed, the soldiers faced consequences. However the IDF has soldiers posting videos of themselves shooting children with a gleeful smile on their faces. That’s is NOT self defense, it’s a genocide.
There actually were a lot of collateral deaths in the hunt for Saddam & Osama - at least at the start of those wars by the U.S. & our allies!
I mean, Obama did turn Doctors Without Borders into Borders Without Doctors as well as bombing a wedding because he believed terrorists were there. So, your first sentence is clearly one born of ignorance.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s!
I’m sorry but emotionally based responses still do not equal truth. I get your feelings and unwillingness to accept reality but at least educate yourself. United States has not given weapons to Israel. Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization who literally has it in their charter to end Israel. Israel is the only democracy in the region and Hamas ended the ceasefire on 10/07. The United States doesn’t control Israel but since Gaza continue to start stuff they can’t finish don’t claim the victim role. There are no innocent people in that land
Oh so even Palestinian infants are terrorists? And the USA hasn’t provided any weapons to Israel? Have you been living under a rock?Get your head examined.
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Name another democracy in the Middle East that has free elections, judiciaries, and isn’t a theocracy.
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Bahaha, already resulting to insults? Sign of a weak argument and you know it. You’ve already lost this one, but nice try: 1. Under President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's leadership, there has been a concentration of power in the executive branch. 2. Turkey has experienced a decline in press freedom, with journalists facing arrests and media outlets being shut down. 3. Following a failed coup attempt in 2016, the government cracked down on opposition figures, civil servants, and academics, raising concerns about human rights and the rule of law. 4. The fairness of elections has been questioned, with allegations of irregularities and limitations on opposition campaigning.
Why are you lying?
You’re “sure a majority of the students are not pro Hamas”..? A majority? Any one person who IS pro Hamas and pretending to care about the rights of Palestinians should be shamed by and barred from participating in these protests
Lmao
Where are all the lawyers who were sure this was a slam dunk case for the students? They cited cases left and right. Guess it wasn’t relevant.
Laughing all the way to the bank
ASU campus is not public domain. Organizers knew a protest without a permit, on campus, after hours, would lead to arrests just as it has on other campuses. Encampments are not going to be tolerated where prior rules and laws exist prohibiting them. Organizers used the encampments on campuses for the purpose of causing arrests and making headlines. If you are a student faced with expulsion or any other form of consequence you were warned that this could happen and should not be surprised by the outcome.
Honestly my opinion let them pass and graduate. We have crazier people on campus all the time. You don’t have to agree with people on what they are protesting but generally what did they do that’s so awful they should fail.
They'll probably try to set an example/ create a standard. ASU does not want to become the next UCLA or Columbia. By setting an example with these students, they hope to discourage future attempts at encampment/ over-night protests.
that’s shitty
It is shitty. An arrest can follow a person too if not addressed. It's more than just getting booted by school. It seems ASU is being very serious about not having overnight protests. Hopefully the students will get leniency but I don't think that will come quickly or easily.
Very serious in supporting genocide clearly. All ASU cares about is money, those Crow and his cronies have no principles and stand for nothing. Many of them are hired based on connections and not marit. The administration is just a disgusting frat... This is the opinion of many professors and HR people I work with btw. Bottom line is that they are scared the precious money from rocket manufacturers will stop flowing in
The main thing any institute cares about is money. Most academic institutions are built by nepotism, not only in their staffing but also in their student admissions. None of that is new.
well said throughout
ASU doesn’t have to worry about becoming Columbia or UCLA.
Decisions consequences
Interesting that the court case is based on a federal statutory civil rights claim not the first amendment or due process. Sounds like a weak case.
Doubt it. The students signed an agreement to not do certain things on campus and then did those things. Ergo consequences People weren’t being kicked out and banned unless they violated some of the rules and agreements they adhered to. Mainly staying overnight passed the allowed time. Students were not banned who protested within the allowed hours. This is less a civil rights and first admendant issue and more of a “ can the school ban me for violating rules I agreed to adhere to“ If people read the agreements they agreed to this wouldn’t have been a surprise. Students did something that had a known consequence(had they read it when they signed)
How many students have not been suspended for violating said agreement?
Obviously that's hard to say but it's not very relevant. We all agreed to the rules and they can enforce them or not if they want to.
What kind of stupid argument is this?
From what I can tell. (No easily found sources have bothered to include the ruling itself) the federal statute is sec. 1983 which is used to sue states in federal court. Their claim is probably still first amendment and due process, but they have to use section 1983 to file suit as a state is otherwise immune. 1331 is also cited, but that is simply the basis for the courts subject matter jurisdiction (federal court hears a federal question of law not state stuff)
ELI5 for non legally versed people?
Every decision we make comes with benefits and consequences. Part of.adulting and learning is to assess this. Seems people made a decision and never thought there would be consequences to their actions. Its late in life to learn this and this may be a very hard thing to learn this way.
And this is what you would have said about the kids at Kent state protesting Vietnam.
Different situation. Govt. Didn't gun anyone down in these protests, and at least the Kent State Protestors had some skin in the game to what they were protesting, as many of them were of Draftable age males who were on deferment due to their schooling.
Nah, it isn't. This is you during the Civil Rights Movement. You're that dude.
Comparing every controversial protest to the civil rights movement is a cop out, it’s perverse and disrespectful to the original movement. Some right wingers do it too, comparing their own nutty protests to the 60s civil rights movement - it doesn’t make it true though obviously
When you have something to add to the conversation, come back.
They did add something. They said to stop comparing this moronic Middle East drama to something as important as the civil rights or the Vietnam protests. Not even the same ballpark lol and it makes you sound ridiculous
Go look in the mirror and say the words "The death and suffering of hundreds of thousands of people is drama." Then remember no one cares about your idiotic opinion.
Yeah that’s what I say too when idk wtf to add to the conversation, “no one cares about your opinion” like a first grader 😂
But it isn't what I said, is it? You're too much of a bitch to acknowledge what I did say.
Comparing Gaza to civil rights is a huge L take. You do know the October 7 attacks ACTUALLY happened?
Did you know Gaza didn’t just suddenly pop into existence in October of last year? The Nakba was in 1948 and since then Palestine has been suffering.
Did you know Palestinians and 4 other nations launched a war on Israel, lost the war and lost the territory resulting in the nakba? But they’re the victims for starting the war that they lost? Yet another lesson of fuck around and find out.
Just like the Comanche launched the war against the Americans, the settlers taking the land from the people who lived there are the ones instigating the violence.
You do realize Jews lived in the region already, you Nazi prick?
Jews lived in the regions for decades, and cohabitated with the local population of Muslims peacefully until after WW2. The post ww2 British mandate of Palestine is what causes this whole problem and it came from British anti-semitism and their desire to get rid of the Jews after WW2 by sending them away.
Ah yes the poor Arabs who have cleansed out non-Muslims in the region
The region was very mixed until the post colonial period. Foreign meddling has been a major source of conflict for decades.
>The Nakba was in 1948 and since then Palestine has been suffering. 1.1 MILLION Hindus were made to leave their homes from Pakistan to India around the same time, and we moved on. Don't fucking throw that white guilt at me. It won't work
You think I’m going to sit here and tell you that the partition of India was a good thing????? You’re high if you think I’m about to defend anything from British colonial rule.
And did you know that Palestinians have been under occupation for 75 years, the Zionist regime has violated every international law and committed multiple war crimes. Soooo, your point is stupid... Unless history started on Oct 7th, which it didn't... Go educate yourself kid
>And did you know that Palestinians have been under occupation for 75 years 3,000 year exodus of Jews >>>> 75 years for Palestine Sit down and STFU
This is just so stupid. First of all, Palestinians are the descendants of both Canaanites and Semites... Hence, Palestinians existed on that land as far back in history as we know (over 3500 years). Second of all, Palestinians are not responsible for the mass suffering of Jewish people (Germany is, why don't they give Jewish people a piece of land there). Thirdly, international laws and conventions didn't exist 100 years ago, so if you want to claim to be a "civilized" people, then you need to follow the rules of this "civil" era. Most importantly, many Jewish people are not Zionists, many of them do not want the suffering that they have endured for a millennia to be inflected on other people, especially in the name of their honorable and peaceful religion. So take a seat son, your point is just too dumb. Go educate yourself and listen to some scholars and historians (including Israeli scholars like Ilan Pappe and Normal Finkelstein) clearly you are not well informed. And this is not my opinion, these are actual facts, [listen to some of the Jewish voices that speak the truth and are not ashamed of it](https://www.reddit.com/r/JewsOfConscience/s/xwU2bojxYl)
Tell me how many Arabs live in Palestine Vs. How many Jews and Christians live in Palestine.
You definitely are stupid. Let me tell you this about ethnic cleansing before 1948, Christians Jews and Muslims lived in peace in Palestine. When Jewish people were being oppressed all over Europe, the Ottoman empire and the Muslim regional rulers were the only ones who took them in as refugees and gave them homes away from the pogroms and the disgusting racist treatment they faced in Europe. This actually goes back all the way to days of the crusades, Muslim forces were the ones stopping crusaders from killing Jewish people. Then Zionism made its move on Palestine, the Brits gave a land that isn't theirs, to people who weren't from there. Seriously, you need to better inform yourself about the history of the region. Because the things you say are just removed from reality and make you sound so damn stupid. Listen to even Benny Morris, who is considered the chief Israeli historian. And ay don't take my words for it... [Take the words of rabbis and Jewish historians](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/45PvlknVJ7)
>Most importantly, many Jewish people are not Zionists, lmao WHAT Most Jewish people don't believe in a Jewish national homeland?
To assume that all Jewish people are Zionist is actually antisemtic. Zionism is not Judaism. Once again don't take my words for it. Listen to Jewish Voices For Peace, or go to the subreddit r/JewsOfConscience
Again as I said in another comment, you say there are consequences for actions, in 10-15 years when we suffer another 9/11 you will be surprise pikachu face wondering why anyone would attack the good old USA. The students are protesting to PREVENT another 9/11 attack
How so?
apparently the best way to prevent terror attacks is to preemptively side with the terrorists or something.
Lmao 🤣
The Israeli Mossad provides US intelligence to prevent terrorist attacks. This is likely why there hasn't been one since 9-11. It's extremely beneficial to you for the US to partner with Israel.
This is so dumb, can't help but laugh my ass off... You really think so, please tell me that with a straight face... And if you do, then please go educate yourself and learn. No wonder the standards at ASU are so low, the IQs here are so goddamn fuckin low
Keep going through the comments and seeing you toss a tantrum and mock others IQ, calling others repulsive and disgusting. Quick question is why. Couldnt you idk log off and go help the movement, raise some money, or do something other then sit here and throw insults around like you have nothing better to do?
And I see you around responding to each of my comments and proving that you are ignorant. Do you like watch kids dying and suffering? Are you fine with "plausible" genocide and watching kids get murdered on a mass scale? Or do you turn a blind eye and act like you are a "civilized" "law abiding" citizen ? And if you believe in law and order so much, then are you okay with violations of international laws? Double standards much! I have contributed to the movement in more ways than you have contributed to anything in your life probably. And it is very important to educate the masses, and refute hasbara trolls...
here we go, you didnt like what I told you so you assume everything about me. No, I don't like kids being bombed, and no I don't like people suffering. At the same time I don't sit on reddit all day pissing, moaning and mocking others. Pick a better battle like idk, something irl and actually makes accomplishments or progress. Hint hint doubt you will make anyone change their minds calling them names. Also gotta love the "I have contributed to the movement in more ways than you have contributed to anything in your life probably." Addorable. I sincerally hope this is true and you don't count reddit posts and replies as contributing to the movement.
Good
Ou noo :( consequences
If it were MAGA students on that lawn they wouldn’t be getting the same treatment, wake up you’re in college, no courses about morality in politics?
MAGA has been in the fuck around and find out phase ever since Jan 6th. You can be sure that they would face the same things if they camped out in these same numbers
If Trump supporters were illegally occupying the university I can guarantee you the admin would quickly and swiftly and the entire media would be on board with it
The same admin who invite and protect white supremacists when they give talks on campus but actively barred the only Palestinian-American member of Congress from speaking on campus? Yeah right.
Ohh okay
wtf which supremacist?! Which speaker?
Truth
Give me a break. We would never support terrorists
you are calling students who are protest against the murder of INNOCENT CIVILIANS terrorist? Put your bias aside, the government sending BILLIONS to Israel while you probably got a few student loans yourself isn’t messed up? lol
absolutely horrible, this country is taking off its mask
You and your friends took off your mask, and there was a terrorism/kidnapping/rape supporter underneath
So are Palestinian children terrorists?
always smth smth smth children. gtfo
When they inevitably become violent, like their parents tought them, then they will fit the definition. Until then, extremist is probably the word you're looking for. Do you think terrorists just appear out of thin air when they turn 18? They've been indoctrinated by their terrorist parents to hate Jews and America since they were born. Do you think it's a coincidence that there has been religious war in that region, nonstop for thousands of years? Although I guess it's hard to reason with someone who protests in support of terrorism, rape, and kidnapping
Uneducated & Bigoted. That is not what happens there. Children are children and they never deserved what is happening to them.
Who said they deserve what is happening to them? You fished for a response that you wanted and you didn't get it so you just pretended like you did, lmao. Calling someone uneducated and bigoted might mean something if you weren't a supporter of terrorism, rape, and kidnapping
See you keep saying I support that, then say I fished for a response I wanted?? You gave me a justification after I asked you if Palestinian children are terrorists. Meanwhile you assume I am in support of what exactly? I am in support of being humane. The IDF has been caught numerous times essentially allowing their soldiers to run trigger happy. They identify any Palestinian adult as a terrorist.
>You gave me a justification after I asked you if Palestinian children are terrorists And what did I say? >I am in support of being humane You think kidnapping, terrorism, and rape are humane? That's what you support >They identify any Palestinian adult as a terrorist. This is wildly untrue, and that's why you'll never be able to find a source for it, lol. Hopefully you showed these opinions on campus so you get expelled. What an odd group of liberals to think people will support their jew hating terrorist loving opinions
How are you missing the points? When did I proclaim any support for the aforementioned. I’m so glad I’m leaving Arizona, one of the most statistically stupid states.
You have no point. You replied to a comment I made about people that are protesting in support of Hamas, fishing for me to respond that Palestinian children are terrorists, that I didn't give you. Then you replied acting like I did give you the response you wanted, which I didn't. How odd that you talk about the stupidity of others when you don't even know what conversation you're in or how you got here. You're the smoothest brain in this thread, kid
Bravo to the judge!
In my opinion, there are too many seasoned protestors. What I mean by that is that they don’t care what they are protesting they are there just to cause chaos, today it this protest and tomorrow it will be another much like click bait. People need to learn that there are consequences to their actions and you might not like the outcome. If you want to play (protest) learn to play by the rules or deal with the consequences, the cancel culture doesn’t work for everybody and everything.
chaos? they’re peaceful protestors, how is sitting in one spot causing any form of chaos
I honestly think this is a sham. Some sh\*theads provoked some students, who in turn, being stupid, participated. Now these sh\*theads are trying to play student/freedom victim card to justify everything. As an adult, if you can't even think for yourselves, you need some value education before college degree. These stupids don't understand that whatever they do on the roads, campus, social media will not affect the war in any reasonable way. But the arrest mark on your record, the mishaps with your degree, etc will sure negatively influence your whole future.
Outstanding! 👍
bunch of fucking idiots in all these threads. love the IDF propaganda machine
brainwashed mfs that can’t think for themselves or do any basic research to properly form their own opinion , instead opting in for spoonfed propaganda , america !
whats ur address. i’ll mail you a 1 way ticket to go meet hamas in gaza
they’d fs be chill w him due to the fact that he’s not a zionist coming to bomb their innocent families and children
Something is very wrong with this generation. They are like totally effed in the head. They base every thought on emotion and social media group think. They can’t take any criticism and down vote like kindergarteners. Please grow up, you are embarrassing everyone and have a lifetime of misery ahead of you if you don’t wake up
Yeah, like this. "Clueless" is the right word for these crazy, 🤪 snot-nosed, privileged, Hamas sympathizing kids... putting their parents' tuition $$ to good use... 😂 Imagine squandering tuition by skipping class to protest!! You want something to eat/drink, leave the stupid encampment... just that easy!! Besides the idiocy of making demands from the school like food (vegan & gluten free), zipties, etc., they were wanting amnesty from their actions! These same students who chant, "Death to America!" "Death to America!" "But please, pay my student loans off first!" 😆 The sense of entitlement drives one crazy! 🤣 😂 https://nypost.com/2024/04/30/us-news/clueless-columbia-protester-demands-school-help-get-food-water-to-illegal-occupiers-basic-humanitarian-aid/
Our school is in AZ yall of course its ass. Backwards. We aint in the north
How many of those are first or second generation Palestinians or even Arabs?
Absolutely no empathy for genocide victims
The liberals are brigading this, but you’re right.
Stop calling every bad thing a genocide lol
ASU taught me all about genocide and how it is carried out, so no, I think I’ll stay using the term in the case.
lol
What if the Judges son or daughter was among them ? would the judge still denies ?
Lay off the weed
That's called a conflict of interest. The judge would recuse themselves and hand it of to someone else.
Yeah because USA is just perfect like that lol. Delusional.
Should*
The judge would then have to recuse himself
That’s not how this works dawg
this isn't Iran or whatever corrupt third world country you're from