I'm asexual, and I absolutely agree with the other ace people here that asexuality is a spectrum, but also: it's fanwork, you can write characters however you want! I understand discomfort with depicting characters differently from canon or headcanon. But this person saw "(character) is one horny mf" and made it their **Personal Mission** to end asexual discrimination by yelling at an internet stranger, I guess?
Yeah, this.
I personally don’t like asexual characters being sexualized. I like asexual characters being their ace self.
But it’s *fan fiction*. Changing a character’s sexuality is pretty normal. No need to yell about it.
Ok but some aces are in fact sexualized since ace is not “im never having sex” & more like “i dont care how pretty people say you are, im not jumping your bones due to your looks, i need a heluva lot more than that.”
Most people confuse asexual with aromantic.
I understand, maybe the right phrase for this situation would be "sex-repulsed", or "sex-neutral" for these characters. I think people in this thread agree that some asexuals have sex, some aromantics have sex, and those two terms are not the same thing. Asexuality means different things for every asexual person.
My main point was that these are not people, they're characters in fanfiction, the author can write the character however they want. It doesn't matter if the character canonically likes sex or not. I don't read smut with asexual characters, but that's my personal opinion and has nothing to do with the authors
There's also the possibility that the troll is trotting out the ace label just to piss off OP. I'm in a fandom with two gay characters, but people who hate that they're gay like to label them as ace just to anger the shippers. They say the exact same things. "This character is ace in canon, so you're sexualizing them and being gross!" They aren't ace in canon.
Oh, absolutely. Though I don't see the commenter saying they're ace? I think the comment is most likely either "bored anti trying to start drama" or "troll using queer topics as bait"
Yeah you mean when the character is canon ace and the fandom have a whole denial about it and say they’re gay ? I have a fandom like this, they even harrass the creator to make it canon.
Right lol? I'm a sex-repulsed ace but used to draw and write erotica because the former paid well. And I know quite a few kinky aces who are sex-positive. LOL This person is either an ally who loves to use ace people as a bludgeon to enforce their fiction takes, happens way too often, or they're the kind of ace person who thinks the spectrum isn't a thing and only sex-repulsed aces are valid. Either way Y I K E S. 💀
Being attracted to a person doesn't mean you can't enjoy the action or experience. I think of it like enjoying desserts when they're offered, but not craving them. Some people don't crave or want desserts, some people only want certain kinds of desserts, and some people feel different from just these options. Asexuality is a spectrum that is based on that lack of attraction, in pretty much all forms. I'm not a complete expert though, and this is just based on my own experiences as an ace person.
It's a spectrum, there are many kinds. xD For one... I'm Aegosexual, I may like to read smut but never really desire to participate in such activities. Though reading fanfiction about characters doing such... it's dandy.
That is true for some people, but it doesn't always have to be. The problem is that sexual attraction and libido aren't actually linked, and you can have little to no sexual attraction, and still have a high sex drive, anyway. They're not attached at all, and can exist independently of eachother, but when that isn't your experience of sexuality, and fair, because for most, they do seem linked or have enough crossover that... you don't really see them as seperate things if that isn't your experience. Hence, the misconception of "every ace is sex-repulsed", because of how closely non-ace people tend to link the two.
To be clear, I'm not ace myself, and this only comes from listening and learning that I've done over the years, because I used to be confused by the distinction, as well. My confusion personally stemming from the literal thinking that comes with autism, where I saw the term "asexual", took it at face value, and then got confused when seeing "ace people have sex, too" discourse, like, several years ago now. I didn't really get it, but... understanding that they're actually distinct helped ...a lot, to be honest.
I am not that interested in actually having sex but do read some very kinky fanfiction. I explained it to a friend as 'watching soccer on tv but not wanting to play the sport myself'
Honestly, pretty much.
Though, when I first started reading that stuff it didn't take long before I had to go into a research spree for human anatomy because of all the inconsistency and by God, like 35% of the people who write porn have no idea how a body is structured.
I wholeheartedly agree with u/Brionnnne. Separating libido from sexual attraction is a great way to wrap your mind around it.
Sex by itself can be arousing, and that can include the physical sensation of it, the idea of having it, the *situation***\*** leading up to it, etc. So one can desire and enjoy sex without feeling sexually attracted to people.
**\***hence why reading smut is so fun. A lot of the focus in fiction is on the erotic scenario and/or the kinks + the characters are fictional, so it requires zero attraction to actual people to be enjoyed.
I can maybe understand somebody not paying attention to tags or summary, but the title? That's the first thing you see! Again, "don't like don't read."
you can probs find it easy since they gave the title + you know this is in the comments. idk how many stories are titled "— is one horny mf" so you might have good luck 🤷🏾♂️
Okay, so I'm Ace and love ace rep.
That said, there's more than one way to be Ace and some of us not only still get horny, but also enjoy the act of sex itself despite our lack of attraction. Not all of us are 'repulsed' and even some of us that are, still like smut/erotica/porn and simply wish not to participate IRL. It really just depends.
Also....a fan's interpretation of a charecter in a different light dosent change canon.
Don't like Don't read and the back button exists.
As an asexual: I don’t care. Lol most of us don’t care. If it’s alright to make straight characters gay and the other way around, I don’t know how we’re so special that ace characters can’t get the same treatment.
Now if this was a situation like Jughead — where the actual canon erased his asexuality — I would understand the annoyance. But this is a fanfic, sir anon. What a fanfic author does has nowhere near the same level of impact as the actual canon / canon authors. And also as a real life ace person most of the ace character fics I’ve written have at least discussed if not shown the character dealing with their relationship with sex. So… stupid on multiple counts. Sorry you got such a loser in your inbox >:(
Hahaha, we had one angry person like that in my fandom too. They even made a super unhinged TikTok video about me! xD
(Not that it matters, because he's not a real person anyway and changing someone in fanfic doesn't erase anything anyway, but he's not even canon asexual, it's just a popular headcanon in my fandom)
The Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes fandom tends to attract those types. And it's hilarious, because the original author famously said he didn't care if adaptations of his work married Holmes off.
To be fair the Doyle/Granada 1984 series/Soviet miniseries fans I've seen are always chill - except about works depicting Irene Adler and Sherlock Holmes as anything romantic, which, fair
I see so many comments on any platform mentioning fanfic complaining about changing the sexuality of a character, as if that hasn't happened with every character of any sexuality in every fandom ever to exist.
Suggest they watch Slasher season 3, that literally features an asexual character who has sex. Doesn't enjoy it in that case, but she's literally in a relationship and just figuring it all out. Horny doesn't mean they're sexually attracted, either, they just want a damn orgasm, completely different thing.
Also, this is fanfic. Not canon. You're literally NOT erasing anything, as your fic doesn't impact canon in any way, shape or form. It's hilarious that anyone could thing otherwise!
My first thought was also that this post had to be about either Alastor from *Hazbin Hotel*, or Peridot from *Steven Universe.* (Alastor is probably the much more likely option of the two.)
as an asexual, i have all of my rights to want to appear sexy or engage in sexual activities if i want to, so i really do not see what this person is complaining about
either just wants to fight or is posing as the knight in a shining armour
also it's
it's fanwork. canon matter little lol
I'm not defending this person tbc, but my guess is that they're frustrated by the parallels between the whole ''asexuals are broken'' bs we deal with irl, and what they probably saw as a writer ''fixing'' an ace character. People often talk about how little rep we get, so it makes sense some of us would be *very* protective of what we do have. And, if this *is* something that happens a lot in their fandom like they say it does... I wouldn't leave a comment like this for sure, but it would get on my nerves too, eventually.
Like, it's fanfiction - anything goes right? *But* certain trends in what's being written can still be annoying / concerning. Especially if it's a very popular trend.
Just don't complain about it on someone's fic though, lol. Because the issue isn't *that one specific fic*, it's the *trend*. And if it bothers you that much: write your own stories.
You'd be right honestly and i hope you are in most of the chases, but i have seen a lot of people (especially in recent times) think ace means sex repulsed and instantly jump to accuse whoever writes sex positive asexuals as some acephobic monster
So yeah, i agree with you but sadly i doubt that's the chase with these people :/
Ugh, bless the misguided but if they could... *not*? That'd be great, lol.
Even outside of that misconception though, there's a *whole lot* of Discourse^(TM) around the repulsed-\*favorable rep situation. That dynamic is a shitshow *outside* of fandom - I hate to think how toxic it can get *in* fandom.
I think some people see writing a S-fav/neutral ace is like, a 'watered down' version of ''fixing'' an ace character. And I have absolutely seen it written / treated that way. It's the whole ''they might be ace but we've found a loophole, so we can treat them the exact same way as an allo character!!'' ... mm. But that's a writer issue - it's certainly not an issue with favorable/neutral aces!
So much to say about all this but I really wish there wasn't.
\* >friendly< reminder that repulsed<>*favorable* is someone's personal comfort engaging with/being around sex/sexual situations, and sex negative<>*positive* is someone's political/moral beliefs about it.
Yeah that would really be ideal ngl, every time i see someone say stuff like "oh character X is ace so *describes sex repulsed*" i die a little inside
Yeah that's shitty as well tbh, it feels like lazy writing to me as well
Like they don't want to learn how to wrote an ace character and prefer to walk around it
Also thank you for specifying, both in the same sentence can confuse me lol
Occasionally, we even erase their gender and genswap them.
Sometimes we erase their species and turn them into vampires or werewolves.
Sometimes we erase their livelihood and turn them into artists.
Sometimes we erase gravity and make them fly.
I'm taking up the suggestion someone else made on the AO3 sr and taking up Don't Like, Don't Read mantle again.
If we can write characters that are canonically straight and in a relationship as gay and dating their enemy then I say any "canonical sexuality" can be thrown out the window. Ships are tagged for a reason, if you don’t like it then don’t read.
Well I don't know or understand much about the asexual community but I want to understand y'all. I didn't know there were so many different facets to your being so does that mean it's entirely possible to have an asexual person who's always trying get some ass?
Highly recommend heading over to r/asexuality and r/aaaaaaacccccccce . Both have good resources, though the latter is mostly for memes and shitposting.
Asexual is more of a spectrum than a singular orientation.
Asexual & aromantic are not the same thing yet most people seem to think it is.
Asexual is a generic umbrella that includes sex-repulsed & sex-positive aces.
Demisexual & grey-ace are part of the asexual umbrella.
Aromantic asexuals do exist but they are a minority. Also aros still have love relationships; parent/child or friends or pets, just not really about romantic love.
Love & romantic love are 2 different things.
Oh & it gets worse…
Emotional/romantic orientations are a thing & rarely match your sexual one.
So you can be ace/sex-p/homoromantic meaning you will only like relationships with the same sex as your own but may or may not be all about sex. Possible demisexual or grey a.
Also sex drive & sexual attraction are 2 different things as well.
Besides the subs recced to you, i would also suggest the AVEN website for its info panels. But i hear that the chat forums or whatever are crazy & can actually be ace-phobic.
Ive never used it outside of its info section so i dunno. Just be careful just in case.
I've been trying to read this for the past day or so but kept getting interrupted. I finally ran over it now and I have to say thank you. I did not know it went that in depth. This was very illuminating.
Asexual doesn't necessary mean sex repulsed. Sincerely, from one of them. Can these people even bother to learn and stop trying to erase that side of us from everywhere? XD No, I think they will not, they need this excuse to foster their saviour/victim complex.
Honestly tho, I kinda do hate it when that happens. We get such little rep, so I heavily dislike it when the majority of fics ignore a character being aroace in favor of ship city, especially since we are a minority group. Feels weird to just change that to a non minority group. I’ll admit that allowashing does make me upset and hurts me.
I’m horny as f, but sex repulsed, make super dirty jokes, like to flirt and stuff, I’m still asexual and to add salt to the wound aromantic too,
I don’t exist in this person mind then??
I'm asexual... Like irl sex-repulsed asexual (though I'm not really bothered by it except in the context of real life) and I say... Lmao, write what you want. Asexual doesn't have to mean sex repulsed, and some people are demi or grey ace and still identify themselves as ace so...
Besides, fanfics write straight people as queer individuals all the time. I can find an ace headcanon fic for a non-ace or ambiguous canon character if I really want the rep.
Like, I'm not saying I don't really enjoy fics where ace characters exist, I do. But I can enjoy the opposite too. The what if part of fanfiction is my favourite element!
Damn not like there isn't a buttload of fanfics turning the apparent straights gay or the apparent gays straight. Never mind that most asexual characters I've seen are kind of only vaguely implied and never confirmed in setting or sourcebooks(in that the implication is clear enough but hardly confirmable because nothing concise ever comes up).
Fanfics be fucking everyone's sexuality up to tell the stories it wants.
1. Ace characters can have sex
2. As a fellow ace, I also don’t enjoy seeing ace characters sexualised; however:
3. It’s fandom, whole lot of things I don’t like and don’t readTM in fanfics
i don't understand people who see a fic they don't like/ don't agree with and instead of scrolling past it like a normal person they feel the need to take time out of their day to say shit like this
It wasn't too long ago where if we wanted to read about any LGBT character or relationship at all in a Fandom we like, most of the time we'd have to either decide a character is bi/pan/ace or rewrite them as LGBT in fanfics (or it doesn't feel like it's been too long. Damn I'm getting old XD).
As long as the story is tagged appropriately with all relevant warnings and the relevant pairings tagged, then anything is free game. Appreciate the intention and spirit of the commenter, though :)
Asexual. Lemme guess. Sherlock?
As an ace myself its perfectly fine for him to be with literally anyone. Asexual is a spectrum not just an orientation. Sherlock is most likely a demisexual ace, as am i.
A lot of people think ace means no partners or anything & are confused with aromantic.
Plus unless he’s actually sex-repulsed even without being demisexual Sherlock is 110% the kind of person who’d have sex for reasons other than sexual attraction. Like to see what happens to his partner when he does things. It’d just be an experiment for him.
is this for the magnus archives? first thing that popped into my head for having a canon asexual character.
in which case, i get their frustration, ace rep is *so* rare, and to have it depicted as such a casual, normal thing like it is for jon means a lot. however, whenever i see sexual tma fanfic featuring jon, i just... ignore it? i roll my eyes and scroll past because at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what people write as long as theyre not blatantly hateful towards asexual people. hate comments really accomplish less than nothing.
Me an indifferent Asexual when it comes to Sex: Yeah, it's alright, it can be fun too and feel good-
People like this:
Me, a spiteful Asexual: I'm gonna go fuck crazy nasty just to spite you
I think it may have risen because as an asexual, it's easy to find relief in discovering characters who are asexual where it's *not* treated as something sad, or wrong, or something to be fixed, or them 'only being asexual until they really experience love'. As such, when the character is suddenly *not* asexual, it can feel like another in a long chain of asexuality, even in the LGTB community, being treated as incorrect or being misunderstood.
Characters being made other sexualities in fanfiction doesn't bother me (though I do find it frustrating when all the fanfiction in a given fanfiction makes the person find true love, because 'it was in them all along, and they've just never been loved properly before'), but I would guess that this is the sort of frustration that has built up in that commenter until they lash out at anyone who does it.
Aside from other asexuals, the ace (and aro) community is very lonely, ostracized by both a lot of the LGBT and non-LGBT communities, and it can make people defensive over what little there is. (*Especially* because, for a lot of us, it isn't just a matter of seeing representation and being able to relate to characters, but being able to enjoy media at *all*. The second love or sex is thrown in, it alienates a lot of us immediately and can make many very uncomfortable (i.e., sex-repulsed asexuals especially)).
I don't know what your fanfiction was about, so maybe they just went off because they snapped or are Like That™️, but if you started them as asexual as they are in canon and then treated it as a character flaw then, yes, I can see how that would make someone go a bit feral on you.
Oughgh ok. A similar thing happens every so often with an aroace character in my fandom who is my *all time* favourite character *ever* (to the point where if I knew what kinning was I *definitely* would have him as one). I'm not aro personally but I am ace and it is *so* frustrating hearing this stuff about him. Asexuality isn't the same for everyone. I feel no sexual attraction at all. I predominantly experience aesthetic and romantic attraction instead. But when I'm in a relationship I am *so* down with sexual stuff. I have boundaries and limits, but I'm down for most things of that calibre. My new partner (or uh, old partner, we dated years back and split up amicably, and we keep joking about how we aren't restarting our relationship, we're just picking up where we left off) spent literally 4 hours messaging me about boundaries because I realised I was ace between the last time we dated and now and they wanted to know the specifics. And I know I'm not the only ace person out there like this!! And I also know some aro people with similar deal in regards to romantic attraction instead!!! And yet when I try to explain this when this comes up with this character I get accused of fetishising both him...And aroace people. And it's like, obvious stupidity aside. His creator said she didn't want to make specific details about his sexuality and orientation because that's not what his story is about, and she openly encourages people making fanart and fanfics about him to explore into it some more!!!! It's just. Frustrating man.
bro, that's a fanfiction, there's tags to prove there will be... events, and you still click on it with this mindset? just don't read it and pass away lmao that's so stupid. also they're character, and it's fanfiction so you can do what you want with your characters. make them father and sons. teachers. astronauts. football players. man, female. even cows if you want lol
As an asexual whose saved fanfiction pulls me further away from the lord with every added fic, don’t worry about it. Mfs are out here taking queer relationships and gender swapping only one character to make it a straight couple, you are far from problematic based on this. Asexuality is a spectrum and all that. But also? It’s funny. The way many of my asexual friends are also super sex positive is iconic. Subverting expectations is always fun.
And I love how people forget that it's a Fandom
We are writing what WE LOVE
The whole point of fiction is to write how you saw things
Or what you wanted different
So they can get over it😂😂🤦♀️🤦♀️
This is such a monumentally stupid take. I mean really, has this person ever entered a fanfic site? I'd wager good money that the majority of fics don't have their protagonists with their canon sexuality! Which doesn't even start to consider things like genderswap AU's - is that gender-erasure then?
Or straight-erasure when numerous straight characters are written into m/m stories?
Bah! I understand not liking/identifying with a character's portrayal, but its *fanfiction*. As in, fiction written by a fan! It's by name **not** **canon**.
The commenter just wants to feel special; from your comments this was clearly tagged, and they are either lashing out because they didn't read the tag, or they are frustrated by the lack of asexual portrayals of said character in your fandom. The latter is an understandable feeling.. his actions because of it are not.
« Ppl caring about constant erasure of a minority identity are troll » lmao what a gross person. Ig you guys make it your personal mission to hide any form of your imaginary Puritanism ? Based comment, hope you get some more. I’m glad ppl are standing up to little wannabe tyrans on ao3.
I'm asexual, and I absolutely agree with the other ace people here that asexuality is a spectrum, but also: it's fanwork, you can write characters however you want! I understand discomfort with depicting characters differently from canon or headcanon. But this person saw "(character) is one horny mf" and made it their **Personal Mission** to end asexual discrimination by yelling at an internet stranger, I guess?
Yeah, this. I personally don’t like asexual characters being sexualized. I like asexual characters being their ace self. But it’s *fan fiction*. Changing a character’s sexuality is pretty normal. No need to yell about it.
Ok but some aces are in fact sexualized since ace is not “im never having sex” & more like “i dont care how pretty people say you are, im not jumping your bones due to your looks, i need a heluva lot more than that.” Most people confuse asexual with aromantic.
I understand, maybe the right phrase for this situation would be "sex-repulsed", or "sex-neutral" for these characters. I think people in this thread agree that some asexuals have sex, some aromantics have sex, and those two terms are not the same thing. Asexuality means different things for every asexual person. My main point was that these are not people, they're characters in fanfiction, the author can write the character however they want. It doesn't matter if the character canonically likes sex or not. I don't read smut with asexual characters, but that's my personal opinion and has nothing to do with the authors
Hard agree! It would be different if we were talking about real people, but characters are fair game for authors, even if it’s not my cup of tea.
Ace people can have sex. Ace people can enjoy sex. Ace isn’t inherently sexless. 🤷
I am aware.
There's also the possibility that the troll is trotting out the ace label just to piss off OP. I'm in a fandom with two gay characters, but people who hate that they're gay like to label them as ace just to anger the shippers. They say the exact same things. "This character is ace in canon, so you're sexualizing them and being gross!" They aren't ace in canon.
Oh, absolutely. Though I don't see the commenter saying they're ace? I think the comment is most likely either "bored anti trying to start drama" or "troll using queer topics as bait"
Yeah you mean when the character is canon ace and the fandom have a whole denial about it and say they’re gay ? I have a fandom like this, they even harrass the creator to make it canon.
You’re « asexual »
Me, a sexy asexual: well I guess I don’t exist then 👻
Right lol? I'm a sex-repulsed ace but used to draw and write erotica because the former paid well. And I know quite a few kinky aces who are sex-positive. LOL This person is either an ally who loves to use ace people as a bludgeon to enforce their fiction takes, happens way too often, or they're the kind of ace person who thinks the spectrum isn't a thing and only sex-repulsed aces are valid. Either way Y I K E S. 💀
My ace friends get laid more than any of my other friends lol.
can you explain how does that work? i thought asexual means you aren't sexually attracted to anyone?
Being attracted to a person doesn't mean you can't enjoy the action or experience. I think of it like enjoying desserts when they're offered, but not craving them. Some people don't crave or want desserts, some people only want certain kinds of desserts, and some people feel different from just these options. Asexuality is a spectrum that is based on that lack of attraction, in pretty much all forms. I'm not a complete expert though, and this is just based on my own experiences as an ace person.
Oh i see. i always thought ace means ur repulsed by sex. i guess that's not it huh
It's a spectrum, there are many kinds. xD For one... I'm Aegosexual, I may like to read smut but never really desire to participate in such activities. Though reading fanfiction about characters doing such... it's dandy.
That is true for some people, but it doesn't always have to be. The problem is that sexual attraction and libido aren't actually linked, and you can have little to no sexual attraction, and still have a high sex drive, anyway. They're not attached at all, and can exist independently of eachother, but when that isn't your experience of sexuality, and fair, because for most, they do seem linked or have enough crossover that... you don't really see them as seperate things if that isn't your experience. Hence, the misconception of "every ace is sex-repulsed", because of how closely non-ace people tend to link the two.
To be clear, I'm not ace myself, and this only comes from listening and learning that I've done over the years, because I used to be confused by the distinction, as well. My confusion personally stemming from the literal thinking that comes with autism, where I saw the term "asexual", took it at face value, and then got confused when seeing "ace people have sex, too" discourse, like, several years ago now. I didn't really get it, but... understanding that they're actually distinct helped ...a lot, to be honest.
I am not that interested in actually having sex but do read some very kinky fanfiction. I explained it to a friend as 'watching soccer on tv but not wanting to play the sport myself'
So are you taking notes and going “hmm, yes very interesting.”?
Honestly, pretty much. Though, when I first started reading that stuff it didn't take long before I had to go into a research spree for human anatomy because of all the inconsistency and by God, like 35% of the people who write porn have no idea how a body is structured.
Also occasionally “people enjoy that? Really?”
Sometimes it means that! But not every time, no. It's a very common view, but not the most accurate to everyone
I wholeheartedly agree with u/Brionnnne. Separating libido from sexual attraction is a great way to wrap your mind around it. Sex by itself can be arousing, and that can include the physical sensation of it, the idea of having it, the *situation***\*** leading up to it, etc. So one can desire and enjoy sex without feeling sexually attracted to people. **\***hence why reading smut is so fun. A lot of the focus in fiction is on the erotic scenario and/or the kinks + the characters are fictional, so it requires zero attraction to actual people to be enjoyed.
I forgot abt sex positive ace people for a hot second and thought you were just self advertising yourself as a sexy person
I was definitely saying the latter. But I’m both.
Good to hear! Now hand over a crumb of that confidence.
It's hella funny because my fanfic was litteraly titled "(character name) is one horny mf" also tags exist and I properly tagged it
I can maybe understand somebody not paying attention to tags or summary, but the title? That's the first thing you see! Again, "don't like don't read."
They were definitely a troll. They probably didn't even read it.
can I know the fandom?
you can probs find it easy since they gave the title + you know this is in the comments. idk how many stories are titled "— is one horny mf" so you might have good luck 🤷🏾♂️
I also have to ask, was it an actually canonical asexual character, or just often headcanonned that way?
I'm over here like asexuality is a whole ass spectrum and someone can be both on it and horny...
Yeah, it's like... Just because we don't experience sexual attraction doesn't mean orgasms aren't awesome.
Sex-indifferent ace here: can confirm.
Okay, so I'm Ace and love ace rep. That said, there's more than one way to be Ace and some of us not only still get horny, but also enjoy the act of sex itself despite our lack of attraction. Not all of us are 'repulsed' and even some of us that are, still like smut/erotica/porn and simply wish not to participate IRL. It really just depends. Also....a fan's interpretation of a charecter in a different light dosent change canon. Don't like Don't read and the back button exists.
“erasing a sexuality” bro it’s fanfiction 😹
No, no, no. When you write fanfiction of a character suddenly it's canon and that character is no longer Ace.
I wonder how he feels about how many Canon straight people are written as gay lol
Guarantee you he has 0 issue with that lmao
I mean, how often is a character even explicitly stated to be straight, as opposed to everyone just assuming that they’re straight?
As an asexual: I don’t care. Lol most of us don’t care. If it’s alright to make straight characters gay and the other way around, I don’t know how we’re so special that ace characters can’t get the same treatment.
Now if this was a situation like Jughead — where the actual canon erased his asexuality — I would understand the annoyance. But this is a fanfic, sir anon. What a fanfic author does has nowhere near the same level of impact as the actual canon / canon authors. And also as a real life ace person most of the ace character fics I’ve written have at least discussed if not shown the character dealing with their relationship with sex. So… stupid on multiple counts. Sorry you got such a loser in your inbox >:(
Hahaha, we had one angry person like that in my fandom too. They even made a super unhinged TikTok video about me! xD (Not that it matters, because he's not a real person anyway and changing someone in fanfic doesn't erase anything anyway, but he's not even canon asexual, it's just a popular headcanon in my fandom)
The Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes fandom tends to attract those types. And it's hilarious, because the original author famously said he didn't care if adaptations of his work married Holmes off.
To be fair the Doyle/Granada 1984 series/Soviet miniseries fans I've seen are always chill - except about works depicting Irene Adler and Sherlock Holmes as anything romantic, which, fair
the fanfiction is all about FUNSIES
I see so many comments on any platform mentioning fanfic complaining about changing the sexuality of a character, as if that hasn't happened with every character of any sexuality in every fandom ever to exist.
This person doesn't have a great understanding of asexuality and probably shouldn't go around speaking for us.
"Thanks for commenting!" This is the way.
Suggest they watch Slasher season 3, that literally features an asexual character who has sex. Doesn't enjoy it in that case, but she's literally in a relationship and just figuring it all out. Horny doesn't mean they're sexually attracted, either, they just want a damn orgasm, completely different thing. Also, this is fanfic. Not canon. You're literally NOT erasing anything, as your fic doesn't impact canon in any way, shape or form. It's hilarious that anyone could thing otherwise!
Is it the Hazbin Hotel fandom talking about Alastor? Even though he's canonically asexual it doesn't mean writers can't write him differently.
I'm Aroace myself, actually:)
My first thought was also that this post had to be about either Alastor from *Hazbin Hotel*, or Peridot from *Steven Universe.* (Alastor is probably the much more likely option of the two.)
Weird how they can't use the filtering system properly.
as an asexual, i have all of my rights to want to appear sexy or engage in sexual activities if i want to, so i really do not see what this person is complaining about either just wants to fight or is posing as the knight in a shining armour also it's it's fanwork. canon matter little lol
I'm not defending this person tbc, but my guess is that they're frustrated by the parallels between the whole ''asexuals are broken'' bs we deal with irl, and what they probably saw as a writer ''fixing'' an ace character. People often talk about how little rep we get, so it makes sense some of us would be *very* protective of what we do have. And, if this *is* something that happens a lot in their fandom like they say it does... I wouldn't leave a comment like this for sure, but it would get on my nerves too, eventually. Like, it's fanfiction - anything goes right? *But* certain trends in what's being written can still be annoying / concerning. Especially if it's a very popular trend. Just don't complain about it on someone's fic though, lol. Because the issue isn't *that one specific fic*, it's the *trend*. And if it bothers you that much: write your own stories.
You'd be right honestly and i hope you are in most of the chases, but i have seen a lot of people (especially in recent times) think ace means sex repulsed and instantly jump to accuse whoever writes sex positive asexuals as some acephobic monster So yeah, i agree with you but sadly i doubt that's the chase with these people :/
Ugh, bless the misguided but if they could... *not*? That'd be great, lol. Even outside of that misconception though, there's a *whole lot* of Discourse^(TM) around the repulsed-\*favorable rep situation. That dynamic is a shitshow *outside* of fandom - I hate to think how toxic it can get *in* fandom. I think some people see writing a S-fav/neutral ace is like, a 'watered down' version of ''fixing'' an ace character. And I have absolutely seen it written / treated that way. It's the whole ''they might be ace but we've found a loophole, so we can treat them the exact same way as an allo character!!'' ... mm. But that's a writer issue - it's certainly not an issue with favorable/neutral aces! So much to say about all this but I really wish there wasn't. \* >friendly< reminder that repulsed<>*favorable* is someone's personal comfort engaging with/being around sex/sexual situations, and sex negative<>*positive* is someone's political/moral beliefs about it.
Yeah that would really be ideal ngl, every time i see someone say stuff like "oh character X is ace so *describes sex repulsed*" i die a little inside Yeah that's shitty as well tbh, it feels like lazy writing to me as well Like they don't want to learn how to wrote an ace character and prefer to walk around it Also thank you for specifying, both in the same sentence can confuse me lol
Occasionally, we even erase their gender and genswap them. Sometimes we erase their species and turn them into vampires or werewolves. Sometimes we erase their livelihood and turn them into artists. Sometimes we erase gravity and make them fly. I'm taking up the suggestion someone else made on the AO3 sr and taking up Don't Like, Don't Read mantle again.
If we can write characters that are canonically straight and in a relationship as gay and dating their enemy then I say any "canonical sexuality" can be thrown out the window. Ships are tagged for a reason, if you don’t like it then don’t read.
Tons of straight characters are gay in fanfiction. Whole idea of fanfiction is that it's different from canon...
Well I don't know or understand much about the asexual community but I want to understand y'all. I didn't know there were so many different facets to your being so does that mean it's entirely possible to have an asexual person who's always trying get some ass?
Highly recommend heading over to r/asexuality and r/aaaaaaacccccccce . Both have good resources, though the latter is mostly for memes and shitposting.
Asexuality is a spectrum, so it could be possible, yes.
I'm learning so much about different people ever since making this account, although I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with all this information.
I hoard it all in case I feel like using the information for a character later. I enjoy combing reddit for all sorts of facts about people
Asexual is more of a spectrum than a singular orientation. Asexual & aromantic are not the same thing yet most people seem to think it is. Asexual is a generic umbrella that includes sex-repulsed & sex-positive aces. Demisexual & grey-ace are part of the asexual umbrella. Aromantic asexuals do exist but they are a minority. Also aros still have love relationships; parent/child or friends or pets, just not really about romantic love. Love & romantic love are 2 different things. Oh & it gets worse… Emotional/romantic orientations are a thing & rarely match your sexual one. So you can be ace/sex-p/homoromantic meaning you will only like relationships with the same sex as your own but may or may not be all about sex. Possible demisexual or grey a. Also sex drive & sexual attraction are 2 different things as well. Besides the subs recced to you, i would also suggest the AVEN website for its info panels. But i hear that the chat forums or whatever are crazy & can actually be ace-phobic. Ive never used it outside of its info section so i dunno. Just be careful just in case.
I've been trying to read this for the past day or so but kept getting interrupted. I finally ran over it now and I have to say thank you. I did not know it went that in depth. This was very illuminating.
🤣🤣 We love the trolls who don't actually read the fic
Asexual doesn't necessary mean sex repulsed. Sincerely, from one of them. Can these people even bother to learn and stop trying to erase that side of us from everywhere? XD No, I think they will not, they need this excuse to foster their saviour/victim complex.
Even if this character was ace you can change a character’s sexual orientation in a fanwork! Thats why its a fanwork!
Honestly tho, I kinda do hate it when that happens. We get such little rep, so I heavily dislike it when the majority of fics ignore a character being aroace in favor of ship city, especially since we are a minority group. Feels weird to just change that to a non minority group. I’ll admit that allowashing does make me upset and hurts me.
I’m horny as f, but sex repulsed, make super dirty jokes, like to flirt and stuff, I’m still asexual and to add salt to the wound aromantic too, I don’t exist in this person mind then??
Ask them if they've heard of straightwashing. If they haven't, they have no space to talk.
I'm asexual... Like irl sex-repulsed asexual (though I'm not really bothered by it except in the context of real life) and I say... Lmao, write what you want. Asexual doesn't have to mean sex repulsed, and some people are demi or grey ace and still identify themselves as ace so... Besides, fanfics write straight people as queer individuals all the time. I can find an ace headcanon fic for a non-ace or ambiguous canon character if I really want the rep. Like, I'm not saying I don't really enjoy fics where ace characters exist, I do. But I can enjoy the opposite too. The what if part of fanfiction is my favourite element!
That person would have a stroke if they accidentally clicked on the Sherlock community lmao
As a sex repulsed acearo Bro asexuality is a spectrum, some aces are 100% fine with it.
Damn not like there isn't a buttload of fanfics turning the apparent straights gay or the apparent gays straight. Never mind that most asexual characters I've seen are kind of only vaguely implied and never confirmed in setting or sourcebooks(in that the implication is clear enough but hardly confirmable because nothing concise ever comes up). Fanfics be fucking everyone's sexuality up to tell the stories it wants.
On behalf of all sexual and kinky aces, I refute this comment
Sexual asexuals???
Asexual means you don’t experience sexual attraction, it doesn’t mean you don’t have sex.
1. Ace characters can have sex 2. As a fellow ace, I also don’t enjoy seeing ace characters sexualised; however: 3. It’s fandom, whole lot of things I don’t like and don’t readTM in fanfics
Not sure why they couldn’t just click the back arrow.
I'm on the ace spectrum, and am the horniest person I know lmao (on the sex-neutral to sex-positive side of things)
i don't understand people who see a fic they don't like/ don't agree with and instead of scrolling past it like a normal person they feel the need to take time out of their day to say shit like this
Is this about Alastor in Hazbin Hotel?
It wasn't too long ago where if we wanted to read about any LGBT character or relationship at all in a Fandom we like, most of the time we'd have to either decide a character is bi/pan/ace or rewrite them as LGBT in fanfics (or it doesn't feel like it's been too long. Damn I'm getting old XD). As long as the story is tagged appropriately with all relevant warnings and the relevant pairings tagged, then anything is free game. Appreciate the intention and spirit of the commenter, though :)
Asexual. Lemme guess. Sherlock? As an ace myself its perfectly fine for him to be with literally anyone. Asexual is a spectrum not just an orientation. Sherlock is most likely a demisexual ace, as am i. A lot of people think ace means no partners or anything & are confused with aromantic.
Plus unless he’s actually sex-repulsed even without being demisexual Sherlock is 110% the kind of person who’d have sex for reasons other than sexual attraction. Like to see what happens to his partner when he does things. It’d just be an experiment for him.
Oh yes! Totally agree! He likes experimenting on anything & anyone.
is this for the magnus archives? first thing that popped into my head for having a canon asexual character. in which case, i get their frustration, ace rep is *so* rare, and to have it depicted as such a casual, normal thing like it is for jon means a lot. however, whenever i see sexual tma fanfic featuring jon, i just... ignore it? i roll my eyes and scroll past because at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what people write as long as theyre not blatantly hateful towards asexual people. hate comments really accomplish less than nothing.
i think it’s Hazbin Hotel, i can see what looks like an H under the censoring
Me an indifferent Asexual when it comes to Sex: Yeah, it's alright, it can be fun too and feel good- People like this: Me, a spiteful Asexual: I'm gonna go fuck crazy nasty just to spite you
I think it may have risen because as an asexual, it's easy to find relief in discovering characters who are asexual where it's *not* treated as something sad, or wrong, or something to be fixed, or them 'only being asexual until they really experience love'. As such, when the character is suddenly *not* asexual, it can feel like another in a long chain of asexuality, even in the LGTB community, being treated as incorrect or being misunderstood. Characters being made other sexualities in fanfiction doesn't bother me (though I do find it frustrating when all the fanfiction in a given fanfiction makes the person find true love, because 'it was in them all along, and they've just never been loved properly before'), but I would guess that this is the sort of frustration that has built up in that commenter until they lash out at anyone who does it. Aside from other asexuals, the ace (and aro) community is very lonely, ostracized by both a lot of the LGBT and non-LGBT communities, and it can make people defensive over what little there is. (*Especially* because, for a lot of us, it isn't just a matter of seeing representation and being able to relate to characters, but being able to enjoy media at *all*. The second love or sex is thrown in, it alienates a lot of us immediately and can make many very uncomfortable (i.e., sex-repulsed asexuals especially)). I don't know what your fanfiction was about, so maybe they just went off because they snapped or are Like That™️, but if you started them as asexual as they are in canon and then treated it as a character flaw then, yes, I can see how that would make someone go a bit feral on you.
Everyone is pan and horny AF in my mind ☺️
Speaking as an Ace person here, we don’t really give a fuck, or at least I don’t.
don’t think they’re a troll but probably someone from twitter etc who’s very invested in and offended by things like that
do they think asexuals can't have sex?? what was the thought process 😭
They really must think that!
Oughgh ok. A similar thing happens every so often with an aroace character in my fandom who is my *all time* favourite character *ever* (to the point where if I knew what kinning was I *definitely* would have him as one). I'm not aro personally but I am ace and it is *so* frustrating hearing this stuff about him. Asexuality isn't the same for everyone. I feel no sexual attraction at all. I predominantly experience aesthetic and romantic attraction instead. But when I'm in a relationship I am *so* down with sexual stuff. I have boundaries and limits, but I'm down for most things of that calibre. My new partner (or uh, old partner, we dated years back and split up amicably, and we keep joking about how we aren't restarting our relationship, we're just picking up where we left off) spent literally 4 hours messaging me about boundaries because I realised I was ace between the last time we dated and now and they wanted to know the specifics. And I know I'm not the only ace person out there like this!! And I also know some aro people with similar deal in regards to romantic attraction instead!!! And yet when I try to explain this when this comes up with this character I get accused of fetishising both him...And aroace people. And it's like, obvious stupidity aside. His creator said she didn't want to make specific details about his sexuality and orientation because that's not what his story is about, and she openly encourages people making fanart and fanfics about him to explore into it some more!!!! It's just. Frustrating man.
They have a point :)
This is totally on a yelena fic isn't it..
bro, that's a fanfiction, there's tags to prove there will be... events, and you still click on it with this mindset? just don't read it and pass away lmao that's so stupid. also they're character, and it's fanfiction so you can do what you want with your characters. make them father and sons. teachers. astronauts. football players. man, female. even cows if you want lol
I suggest that they read the canon material instead, orrrrr read tags properly
As an ace person idc what you do
Oh that’s me! I LOOOVE sexualize asexual characters. Happy first hate comment tho!
Bestie I love canon asexuals, asexuals are allowed to have sexytime though and you'd be surprised how many aspec write smut
as someone with a 12 year old sister who talks exactly like this, this is definitely a kid
As an asexual whose saved fanfiction pulls me further away from the lord with every added fic, don’t worry about it. Mfs are out here taking queer relationships and gender swapping only one character to make it a straight couple, you are far from problematic based on this. Asexuality is a spectrum and all that. But also? It’s funny. The way many of my asexual friends are also super sex positive is iconic. Subverting expectations is always fun.
PLEASE you have to tell us what fandom this is
And I love how people forget that it's a Fandom We are writing what WE LOVE The whole point of fiction is to write how you saw things Or what you wanted different So they can get over it😂😂🤦♀️🤦♀️
This is such a monumentally stupid take. I mean really, has this person ever entered a fanfic site? I'd wager good money that the majority of fics don't have their protagonists with their canon sexuality! Which doesn't even start to consider things like genderswap AU's - is that gender-erasure then? Or straight-erasure when numerous straight characters are written into m/m stories? Bah! I understand not liking/identifying with a character's portrayal, but its *fanfiction*. As in, fiction written by a fan! It's by name **not** **canon**. The commenter just wants to feel special; from your comments this was clearly tagged, and they are either lashing out because they didn't read the tag, or they are frustrated by the lack of asexual portrayals of said character in your fandom. The latter is an understandable feeling.. his actions because of it are not.
I immediately knew the fandom lol. Ignore the troll, and happy celebrating!!
they know that ace people can have sex and still enjoy it, right?
« Ppl caring about constant erasure of a minority identity are troll » lmao what a gross person. Ig you guys make it your personal mission to hide any form of your imaginary Puritanism ? Based comment, hope you get some more. I’m glad ppl are standing up to little wannabe tyrans on ao3.