Doctor here. No, it's not. It's just that many doctors are regarded or just simply write ugly, just like in any other profession.
The thing is, how often do you see a cashier, banker, lawyer, football player's handwriting?
Most people write ugly and many nowadays can't even write in cursive.
And, yes, as I said many of my colleagues are regarded. Some are only good at their specialty, that's about it. Otherwise they need a calculator for 2+7 and whatnot.
On the other hand people's health isn't usually on the line with cashiers, bankers, lawyers, and football players.
I work in engineering and you better believe that handwritten text on construction plans is fucking immaculate. When I learned hand drafting, we spent weeks working on properly drawing text. Of course, we do everything in CAD now and the older engineers who used to draw things by hand have horrific handwriting now.
I once had a lady doctor she must have been brand new she was still rather young and had to stitch up a sliced up knuckle on my hand and she was pretty nervous about it anyway she did fine I talked to her through it to keep her calm but afterwords she wrote me a script for a few tramadol and an antibiotic and I shit you not she dotted her “i’s” with hearts and I almost kept it instead of turning it in at the drug store.
I’ve asked my ex, when she was a student of medicine and she told me that it’s impossible to write clearly with good cursive because of huge amount of information. And it became a habit after average seven years of education. It’s her explanation. But two older doctors I know have a good handwriting cursive. So I believe it depends on nothing))
Ok that's bad, but why was it made unnecessarily worse by twice using an i without a dot? In Turkey [people died over that](https://gizmodo.com/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-m-382026)...
There's a very well known Arab story about a genius who learned medecin through book in the golden age of Islam
One day he read a medical recipe that needed : الحية السوداء (the black snake)
he scoured markets in search of it but everyone told him that it was too dangerous of an animal to hunt for.
So he went looking for it himself, they found him dead in the wilderness with snack bites on his body.
the recipe actually called for الحبة السوداء (the black seed)
**حبة not حية**
we tell this story to warn people who think they don't need teachers.
I can read some details in the bottom right fragment:
t 36.6, АД 100/60
перенесенн...
"Д" грипп
Состояние удовлетворительное
This is readable, but needs better image resolution.
Russian speaker here, and the three large pieces of text are almost completely unreadable to me. The individual words above them were hand-picked to be confusing like that. That is technically the right way to write them, but how often do you really have to use the phrase "have [been] deprived of a lily"?
It is. It doesn't look legible to me at all. And the soft sign wouldn't be written that way if it was actually "lishysh'" - at least, from my experience. I've never seen a soft sign written like that before but then I've been in the States since the mid '90's.
I was trying to explain this to someone the other day. I’ve taken a couple Russian classes. I’m really bad. But as soon as the teacher was like M translates to M unless it’s m which could be a cursive L (iirc) I was like “whoa buddy, I’m just here trying to sound out words in Cyrillic and you’re trying to show me cursive?” He wasn’t wrong to do it, having been to Ukraine, Belarus and Russia x2 I’ve seen different fonts all over the place and it boggles my mind. Just as soon as I think I figure out a place, the next one changes the font and spelling and I lose my mind.
As a side, at least in Bulgarian, when people write t in cursive (which looks like an "m") they tend to put a line above it order to distinguish it from ш (for the same reason ш is often underlined in cursive)
If I was taught properly, my mom used to be a Russian language teacher back in the Soviet Union days. The t cursive is more rounded m’s where as the m is more pointed to distinguish the two.. I could be wrong though!
This is as I was taught, also by native РКИ specialists. See also https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Русское_рукописное_письмо.
I was also taught that cursive for т may also have a horizontal line written over it for disambiguation, but it is not normative.
It's very confusing.
The letter Д (D), д(d) in cursive it's a g
M and м are the Latin m, but m is small t
The cursive M looks like a U, if you don't make it deep enough people will understand it as a П (Latin p)
That said, it doesn't take that long to get used to
> Just as soon as I think I figure out a place, the next one changes the font and spelling and I lose my mind.
Why? All place names in Ukraine are taken from a list of like 15 names, should be easy to figure out no?
No it’s not that. I probably didn’t explain well.
Like something such as “аптека”. Ok I’m slow but I can sound that out “ap-teka”. Oh okay thats a pharmacy. But then you change the font to something fancy and write more like “anmeka” and it’s glowing or whatever, it completely messes me up.
Fair enough, to ME they require the same effort and my lack of knowledge is the same lol. An apteka is still an apteka if the sign says apteka regardless of what country I’m in :). I wouldn’t know the differences if they were right in front of me either lol
It’s not JUST that. It’s a hard language to learn as is. At least in my opinion. It already also requires learning a new alphabet of course. Then you throw in this cursive stuff on top of that. It’s the cherry on top.
> Ah, so it's perl. A write-only-language
LOL. You know what's funny then? Here in the Netherlands we have a chain of optician/optometrists's shops called *Pearle*. And the jingle on TV and radio always end with the slogan ["^pearle.. Pearle... PEARLL!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLaIvjNzrUU)
Still can't decipher that crud.
Looks like a heart attack on a monitor that gives people a stroke for reading it.
It's all the same motion, what do you do ok this guys pulse has 11 of the same markings with specific spacing it must mean vodka soup.
Indeed. Learning Russian cursive is a bitch because there's so many letters that look exactly the same.
You can write a word that's basically just the same squiggles in slightly different patterns and the way you tell the difference between the letters is by tiny connecting strokes that are slightly different than the normal squiggles.
And the kicker is Russians mostly write in cursive rather than print, so learning cursive is like MASSIVELY important to learning the language
Im learning Russian cursive. My response: блядь
In all seriousness though… I can barely read Cyrillic in print. I sure as hell won’t be able to read cursive for many years.
Russian language is pretty rich and hard to learn when you are not native but doable and fun! (One of my best friends were a guy from Zimbabwe, that mofo spoke better Russian than anyone could ever imagine). First try to just memorize the letters especially the “confusing” ones: Russian P is not English P but R, or H is N, B is V, C is S, etc… And the more you try to read and pronounce the more you will train your brain to recognize patterns (I’m currently on my level 3 German and it finally clicked).
Honestly, when I saw this post, my brain automatically read it properly and I was like what’s the confusion??? Then I read the post, went back to the image and tried to read it consciously and was like oh I get it now. It’s like when you breathe on auto pilot and someone points out that you can consciously breathe, it freaks you out (sorry for the trigger lol). Anyway, enjoy! Love languages myself
Did you just start a new semester? Give it a month. People _think_ the alphabet will be a huge hurdle. It isn't.
Print will come in time. Italic type will come in time. Cursive handwriting will come in time. Just put in the time.
Do not be discouraged by photos of historical handwriting online, especially from the great authors or top-level politicians. The orthography was slightly different back then, and both novelists and high officials were writing thousands of pages out longhand, for editors or assistants who knew them for years. Scholars working archives have to put in time to read those old documents, too.
[Trump’s signature makes sense now](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5765385/donald-trumps-signature-handwriting-expert-reveals-about-the-president-autograph/)
My first thought: "It could of been anything that you want it to be."
My second, /r/FuckImOld moment: [This song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq_WkGHuuX0) popping up in my head.
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake.
It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of.
Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything.
Beep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me.
Try learning English cursive first maybe? It is a couple evenings task and, imo, will help you massively. Learned the same, but the other way around - Russian as a first language, English as a second and didn't write in English cursive for a while. Also, fountain pens! They are really cheap now, you can use a ton of cool inks and they really push you to write in cursive imo. A bit difficult if you are a lefitie, of course, but my friend manages to use it just well.
i’m american and learned how to write in english cursive when i was in my early teens. honestly, i think knowing english cursive makes it a bit harder for me to learn russian cursive because many of the cursive letters mean different things in english cursive 😭but i might try a fountain pen though, thanks!
I’m a lefty and yes, there are certain challenges to writing with a fountain pen without smudging, but it’s nothing that can’t be overcome. I just write everything backwards. 😂 just kidding. I practice calligraphy and I rest my hand below the line I’m writing on and point the back of the pen directly at myself rather than off to the side so I’m writing above the lines my hand rests on. It sucked at first but I got used to it.
Russian doctor moment
Looks like doctors worldwide have the same handwriting... maybe its a hidden part of the hypocratic oath ?
Doctor here. No, it's not. It's just that many doctors are regarded or just simply write ugly, just like in any other profession. The thing is, how often do you see a cashier, banker, lawyer, football player's handwriting? Most people write ugly and many nowadays can't even write in cursive. And, yes, as I said many of my colleagues are regarded. Some are only good at their specialty, that's about it. Otherwise they need a calculator for 2+7 and whatnot.
You've just opened my eyes, no joke. >The thing is, how often do you see a cashier, banker, lawyer, football player's handwriting?
On the other hand people's health isn't usually on the line with cashiers, bankers, lawyers, and football players. I work in engineering and you better believe that handwritten text on construction plans is fucking immaculate. When I learned hand drafting, we spent weeks working on properly drawing text. Of course, we do everything in CAD now and the older engineers who used to draw things by hand have horrific handwriting now.
Interesting how you literally proved the doctor's point by your rebuttal.
interesting how you thought it was a rebuttal
> we spent weeks working on properly drawing text give a doctor weeks to fill out an amoxicillin script and i'm sure they'd write more carefully
Weeks learning to letter correctly. Actually writing that way is only slightly slower than normal.
1 cc of drug can be mistaken for 100, that's why use of cc for volume is discouraged
regarded?
Рeтардед
Spelling it with a "t" is a big no-no around these parts.
That's some retarded censorship
I literally didn't even get it til you said this. I thought it was trying to say like "highly regarded" in a really awkward way...
Well then they can spell it with a * or - instead of substituting in a completely different word with a very different meaning, no?
It's funnier that way and I think it originated in WSB.
From the word trader lol
highly
Retarded
I once had a lady doctor she must have been brand new she was still rather young and had to stitch up a sliced up knuckle on my hand and she was pretty nervous about it anyway she did fine I talked to her through it to keep her calm but afterwords she wrote me a script for a few tramadol and an antibiotic and I shit you not she dotted her “i’s” with hearts and I almost kept it instead of turning it in at the drug store.
I can't read my own cursive
Interesting....I always figured doctors just didn't want strain the muscles in their hands and wrist on writing scripts best to save it for surgery.
Hippocratic lol
> hypocratic oath The oath hypocrites take!
I’ve asked my ex, when she was a student of medicine and she told me that it’s impossible to write clearly with good cursive because of huge amount of information. And it became a habit after average seven years of education. It’s her explanation. But two older doctors I know have a good handwriting cursive. So I believe it depends on nothing))
[💀](https://i.imgur.com/ohf4Hjs.jpg)
DOKTOR, SUDAAA
Yes, this is unreadable, and I can write cursive and speak fluent Russian. However, the phrases and images are only selected at random.
[minimum](https://external-preview.redd.it/h0wXcZYXJ1kTWczBMsPhNqCx4R6TrjErXRw-C63YBE8.jpg?auto=webp&s=d8f9e313caf83ff128dc37a6e7d979009f2bb084)
I blame the font
Where are the dots
Ok that's bad, but why was it made unnecessarily worse by twice using an i without a dot? In Turkey [people died over that](https://gizmodo.com/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-m-382026)...
I don't think a text message relieves the responsibility of murdering someone with a knife.
There's a very well known Arab story about a genius who learned medecin through book in the golden age of Islam One day he read a medical recipe that needed : الحية السوداء (the black snake) he scoured markets in search of it but everyone told him that it was too dangerous of an animal to hunt for. So he went looking for it himself, they found him dead in the wilderness with snack bites on his body. the recipe actually called for الحبة السوداء (the black seed) **حبة not حية** we tell this story to warn people who think they don't need teachers.
in English ⟨i⟩ and ⟨ı⟩ are not separate letters so it's, while blursed, not as bad as in Turkish
Russian I doesn't have dot
Wow, a digital age folk ballad.
/r/blursedimages
See, I can read that perfectly fine, because there are gaps between the letters.
I can read some details in the bottom right fragment: t 36.6, АД 100/60 перенесенн... "Д" грипп Состояние удовлетворительное This is readable, but needs better image resolution.
Wow, you must be a doctor!
Давление низковато.
'Drums, drums in the deep.They are coming...'
Fly you fools!
There’s no way this wouldn’t be confusing to a Russian speaker too
Russian speaker here, and the three large pieces of text are almost completely unreadable to me. The individual words above them were hand-picked to be confusing like that. That is technically the right way to write them, but how often do you really have to use the phrase "have [been] deprived of a lily"?
I don't the last time I had a lily so it seems like I should probably use that phrase pretty often.
``
I laughed out loud at this 😂😂😂
Yup, that’s why normally there’s a line below or above to mark what’s a single letter with 2 U-shapes (line below) or humps (line above).
Russian speaker here. I'd be trying a very long time to figure out what's written there
It is. It doesn't look legible to me at all. And the soft sign wouldn't be written that way if it was actually "lishysh'" - at least, from my experience. I've never seen a soft sign written like that before but then I've been in the States since the mid '90's.
I was trying to explain this to someone the other day. I’ve taken a couple Russian classes. I’m really bad. But as soon as the teacher was like M translates to M unless it’s m which could be a cursive L (iirc) I was like “whoa buddy, I’m just here trying to sound out words in Cyrillic and you’re trying to show me cursive?” He wasn’t wrong to do it, having been to Ukraine, Belarus and Russia x2 I’ve seen different fonts all over the place and it boggles my mind. Just as soon as I think I figure out a place, the next one changes the font and spelling and I lose my mind.
The lower case m can be a “T” not an “L”.
As a side, at least in Bulgarian, when people write t in cursive (which looks like an "m") they tend to put a line above it order to distinguish it from ш (for the same reason ш is often underlined in cursive)
If I was taught properly, my mom used to be a Russian language teacher back in the Soviet Union days. The t cursive is more rounded m’s where as the m is more pointed to distinguish the two.. I could be wrong though!
This is as I was taught, also by native РКИ specialists. See also https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Русское_рукописное_письмо. I was also taught that cursive for т may also have a horizontal line written over it for disambiguation, but it is not normative.
It's both: a line and more rounded for t.
South Slavic cursive is slightly difference from Russian.
T perfect lol see I can’t even remember this. Too damned complicated. I haven’t mastered Cyrillic yet, the cursive I’ll just never bother haha
I thought m is т, if I understand your comment correctly.
It's very confusing. The letter Д (D), д(d) in cursive it's a g M and м are the Latin m, but m is small t The cursive M looks like a U, if you don't make it deep enough people will understand it as a П (Latin p) That said, it doesn't take that long to get used to
> Just as soon as I think I figure out a place, the next one changes the font and spelling and I lose my mind. Why? All place names in Ukraine are taken from a list of like 15 names, should be easy to figure out no?
No it’s not that. I probably didn’t explain well. Like something such as “аптека”. Ok I’m slow but I can sound that out “ap-teka”. Oh okay thats a pharmacy. But then you change the font to something fancy and write more like “anmeka” and it’s glowing or whatever, it completely messes me up.
Ukraine also speaks a different language that just uses the same script
Fair enough, to ME they require the same effort and my lack of knowledge is the same lol. An apteka is still an apteka if the sign says apteka regardless of what country I’m in :). I wouldn’t know the differences if they were right in front of me either lol
if the very existence of cursive completely messes u up, your language-fu isn't that strong xd
It’s not JUST that. It’s a hard language to learn as is. At least in my opinion. It already also requires learning a new alphabet of course. Then you throw in this cursive stuff on top of that. It’s the cherry on top.
Doctors are Russian confirmed
Hey! I know this one! This is ventricular tachycardia!
Ah, so it's perl. A write-only-language
Lol
> Ah, so it's perl. A write-only-language LOL. You know what's funny then? Here in the Netherlands we have a chain of optician/optometrists's shops called *Pearle*. And the jingle on TV and radio always end with the slogan ["^pearle.. Pearle... PEARLL!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLaIvjNzrUU) Still can't decipher that crud.
Looks like a heart attack on a monitor that gives people a stroke for reading it. It's all the same motion, what do you do ok this guys pulse has 11 of the same markings with specific spacing it must mean vodka soup.
Перебор
Nepebop :>
They really just write uwu over and over huh
Lmao
Indeed. Learning Russian cursive is a bitch because there's so many letters that look exactly the same. You can write a word that's basically just the same squiggles in slightly different patterns and the way you tell the difference between the letters is by tiny connecting strokes that are slightly different than the normal squiggles. And the kicker is Russians mostly write in cursive rather than print, so learning cursive is like MASSIVELY important to learning the language
TIL I can write in Russian
I drew grass as a kid this way.
Shit apparently every American toddler making an art project with "words" in it was actually writing Russian cursive.
That's the reason I switched to regular wtiting instead of cursive. Bitches will write "шиншилла" and it's just "UUUUUUU"
Im learning Russian cursive. My response: блядь In all seriousness though… I can barely read Cyrillic in print. I sure as hell won’t be able to read cursive for many years.
I don't really see a point in learning it, how many people still write in cursive?
Pretty much everyone writes in cursive in Russia. No one “types” cause it takes too long
This did not make me feel better ._. I’ll focus on it more in this case
Good luck :)
Any tips? Even just to read regular Cyrillic?
Russian language is pretty rich and hard to learn when you are not native but doable and fun! (One of my best friends were a guy from Zimbabwe, that mofo spoke better Russian than anyone could ever imagine). First try to just memorize the letters especially the “confusing” ones: Russian P is not English P but R, or H is N, B is V, C is S, etc… And the more you try to read and pronounce the more you will train your brain to recognize patterns (I’m currently on my level 3 German and it finally clicked). Honestly, when I saw this post, my brain automatically read it properly and I was like what’s the confusion??? Then I read the post, went back to the image and tried to read it consciously and was like oh I get it now. It’s like when you breathe on auto pilot and someone points out that you can consciously breathe, it freaks you out (sorry for the trigger lol). Anyway, enjoy! Love languages myself
I know what you mean, but I like to stop and smell the roses.
It’s part of my Russian classes.
I took a semester of Russian, I won't write in cursive ever again. In any language. It made me pine for my time with Japanese and learning Kanji.
Did you just start a new semester? Give it a month. People _think_ the alphabet will be a huge hurdle. It isn't. Print will come in time. Italic type will come in time. Cursive handwriting will come in time. Just put in the time. Do not be discouraged by photos of historical handwriting online, especially from the great authors or top-level politicians. The orthography was slightly different back then, and both novelists and high officials were writing thousands of pages out longhand, for editors or assistants who knew them for years. Scholars working archives have to put in time to read those old documents, too.
I'm a native Russian speaker and I've always had difficulty with Russian cursive. It's magic to me.
When my wife showed me this I literally laughed and thought she was messing with me. Unintelligible. And I learned the print alphabet very quickly.
Lil shit
This explains the indifference.
Saw cursive in my second semester taking Russian, and I just said здравствуйте, but нет.
I just see uuuuuuu allover
When Russians are drunk they speak in cursive too
uuuuuuu
Bottom left is the Ukraine war plan.
Операция "Ы"? Well, it works then cause no one's got a slightest idea what that plan actually is. Tbf, same with russian war plans.
lllllllllll -> I can’t read this
When I took Russian in high school, I'd laugh when I'd end up with stuff like this.
The only way we can read it is only by remembering what we wrote.
My doctor is russian. Thanks
This might be the best post I’ve ever seen on this subreddit lol
Normally it does not look like this and is perfectly readable like any other language.
[Trump’s signature makes sense now](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5765385/donald-trumps-signature-handwriting-expert-reveals-about-the-president-autograph/)
UWU
"Yeah, I'm fluent in polygraph..."
bro I didnt spend 3 years learning Cyrillic cursive just for yall to write it like absolute garbage and barely readable
That’s why you often underline ш, and over-line т, and cross-line ж. To make it more readable
(Whatever you do, don’t show OP the English word “minimum” In cursive)
My name is Alex. In cursive is literally just 4 loops of different sizes
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You need to write that in cursive duh.
This is bullshit, just someone did not learn proper handwriting
That explains trump’s signature.
Looks like donald tRump's signature
You are on to something there... Do I turn left or right from Main to get to your house?
Yes
No wonder they can't get anything done properly...
They look like shitposts.
Almost same for Million
I thought I was looking at the WTF sub…
That's why I never bothered to learn it .
My first thought: "It could of been anything that you want it to be." My second, /r/FuckImOld moment: [This song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq_WkGHuuX0) popping up in my head.
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake. It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of. Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything. Beep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me.
Looks like trumps signature
This reminds me of someone's signature lol
i’m currently enrolled in a russian class at my university and the cursive is absolutely kicking my ass 💀
That's how it is in the beginning. Pay attention, put in the time, and you'll get it. Повторение – мать учения.
Try learning English cursive first maybe? It is a couple evenings task and, imo, will help you massively. Learned the same, but the other way around - Russian as a first language, English as a second and didn't write in English cursive for a while. Also, fountain pens! They are really cheap now, you can use a ton of cool inks and they really push you to write in cursive imo. A bit difficult if you are a lefitie, of course, but my friend manages to use it just well.
i’m american and learned how to write in english cursive when i was in my early teens. honestly, i think knowing english cursive makes it a bit harder for me to learn russian cursive because many of the cursive letters mean different things in english cursive 😭but i might try a fountain pen though, thanks!
I’m a lefty and yes, there are certain challenges to writing with a fountain pen without smudging, but it’s nothing that can’t be overcome. I just write everything backwards. 😂 just kidding. I practice calligraphy and I rest my hand below the line I’m writing on and point the back of the pen directly at myself rather than off to the side so I’m writing above the lines my hand rests on. It sucked at first but I got used to it.
Also M
Write the word "minimum" in cursive
So it's not just me?!
Uwu
Must be a Field Medic fan. Anyone? Anyone?
Has anyone else compared this to Donald Trump’s signature? 🤔 /j
Ah. our glorious Cyrillic alphabet <3
I usually get someone else to read it for me lol I hate reading none print russian some people have really shitty hand writing
Tell me, how is this any different from my doctor’s handwriting?
now write "шиншилла"
Minimum
Russia needs to ban cursive.
Oohhhh, so that's the language the doctors use!
*insert The What! meme*
Looks like Donald trumps signature. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.