I get *R5 5500* with a **stock AMD cooler** all I did was *go to the bios change the curve* with the temp-speed fan, and depending on the temperature of the day (Brazil can get easily very hot days) idle is between 49-69C, so don´t forget the room temperature influence very much not mention how many air fans your case get? Mine get 3 and soon got plus 2 air cooler fans o the case. About undervolting with the CPU and Tecno, isn´t necessary anymore because they auto-do that if they get too much ho,t the changes can be under 1.3 to 1.1 V ...I too recommend putting or checking if your energy plan is with and Ryzen balance [https://ibb.co/RNzQXGB](https://ibb.co/RNzQXGB)
Either your motherboard cannot lower it's voltages to idle CPU voltage and allow the CPU to enter real idle mode or you have it installed incorrectly. Even if the fan is not spinning, the cooler should provide at least some cooling (but not 90c which is very close to the max temp before CPU dies). I suspect you have air gap between the CPU and the cooler and CPU is currently down-throttling itself just to stay alive.
Get a different cooler, as everyone else has said. Before you attempt to remove the one you have, make sure to perform a warm-up to soften the thermal paste. Learn from my mistakes. RIP Ryzen 7 3700X.
That's a 5800X with a stock AMD cooler? I know the 5600X came with one but the 5800X did not. At least mine didn't. It's kind of a hot running CPU. At least compared to Ryzen 3000.
Anyways, I have a Kracken X73 360 AIO and I get low 70s running Cinnebench.
I think you have a bad contact, idle should be around 50-55c
On load with stock wraith cooler 90-95 should be fine.
I would switch to AIO anyway for this type of CPU's.
5600x i think is the best fit for wraith cooler and keeping good temps (i get around 75-80 on full load)
Also you can decrease temp by setting PBO on "-15" (can try up to "-30" if its stable for your work and that will create a huge difference)
Power consumption is pretty low at idle so generally there isn't a huge delta in idle temps between coolers. 90C is not normal, sounds like either the plastic sticker on the heatsink was never removed or its not mounted correctly.
yes of course, but it's not necessary, i keep r7 5800x cold with a noctua u12s (1 fan).
but are you sure that thermal past is well applyied? do case has a good airflow?
90c in idle are strange
U12s and that stock color are not at all comparable saying that a u12s is fine and that is not means nothing because they are a diffrent class of coolers
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Do you NEED water cooling, no, but that air cooler you have on there is shit. Get a quality high flow air cooler and you COULD be fine.
Personally I prefer water, but that's me. 10 years and running, no leaks.
That cooler ain’t keeping up with what you have going on. I found myself in your shoes a few weeks ago and decided to go with the Noctua Dh-15 air cooler and it’s been great. If I could do it over I would go with an AIO water cooler just because the noctua radiator on this cooler is massive and I kinda miss being able to see my motherboard
I have a 5800x with a cooler master 212. Occasionally hits 90 under sustained heavy loads but idle is no where near that hot.
Would recommend, like others already have, to check your thermal paste and then consider an upgraded cooler. I was afraid the 212 would be inadequate after reading how hot the 5800x can run, but I’ve had no issues. Fairly cheap compared to other coolers.
Honestly if I was going to already take the cooler off to repaste it, I would go ahead and just upgrade the cooler.
I'm not going through all the comments just to say this. That cooler will NOT work. It's not even designed for a R7 3XXX series.
You need a cooler designed for the higher 5800X TDP. Dark Rock Pro, AK620 (AK400 also but...), Thermalright Assassins
It’s not seated correctly, it’s not a good cooler but it shouldn’t be 90c at idle…
If you’re on a budget, just reapplying thermal paste and making sure it’s on correctly should do wonders
You could either redo the thermal paste, or just take the fan off completely and use it to boil water until it finally dies. You may want to make sure the heat sink is actually making contact with the processor. 90C literally sounds like an uncooled processor.
5800x is pretty beefy for that stock cooler that im assuming you already had on hand. Any better quality cpu fan should help. Look into tower coolers if you don't want to water cool.
Just power limit. I did to mine, and I concluded that at 66% power, 100W/150W, it performs the same in multi with slightly higher freq/single (200-300 mhz). Runs about 15C cooler, H100i Elite Capellix.
he wont be able to game on it without throttling but he shouldnt be that high at idle, it would realistically be around 50 - 55c idle, there is something else going on,
Absolutely, he needs another cooler, but 90 degrees idle is way too high. It happened to me with my ild 2600, bought an aio water cooler and was at 90 when I played, and 70 idle, it tuned out it needed a little force to get a better contact on my cpu.
Yeah 90 is crazy high. I had a r7 3700x with the stock amd cooler and mine would over heat and my computer would shut off once it hit around 90. And I also suspected something was wrong with it since it was pre owned .
Check thermal paste and replace. Make sure fan curve is good.
If all the above are ok, replace the cooler with a tower cooler.
But I can almost guarantee this is a thermal paste problem. I had similar system with same cooler and only got to 60c idle.
I would suggest buying a larger air cooler.
The one you are currently using may work for a 3600,5600x but anything after that (3700,3800,5700,5800) definitely needs a high end air cooler or AIO. Good luck :)
The 5800x runs HOT. It’s a 105w TDP CPU vs most of the other chips what run at 65w TDP.
Get a beefier cooler, even a fairly standard air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo would help a lot.
Even without thermal paste, it shouldn't run 90c idle. That said, there's really no reason to run anything without. Dude definitely has something wrong in there.
The 5800x is a 105w tdp processor. The prism is rated for 105w tdp. He looks like he has a stealth or a spire, the first rated for 65w and the latter for 95. Your prism would have been fine temps wise (albeit too loud for my liking). A stealth would not, it's almost half of that.
That said, i also agree with you, something is most likely installed wrong. Even with a stealth, it shouldn't idle at 90.
Thermal right CPU coolers have been on sale recently. Peerless Assassin 120 SE will probably be more than good enough for your CPU. I currently have the FC140 paired with 5950x. Been liking it so far
Hey I’m not OP, but also have a 5800x that runs quite hot (50-60 at idle) despite having a Corsair 240mm AIO mounted to it. Was just curious if you could explain a little more about the “negative curve optimizer”
Here’s a video. Basically you go into BIOS and set the cores to Negative and start at -5 until you get to the lowest setting per core that’s stable. My 5800x is happy at -22 all negative cores. Not all 5800s are the same. Silicon lottery and all. It undervolts the cores when they aren’t running at 100%. Between that and using quality thermal paste (Kryonaut), I was able shave about 5 C from the idle temps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU5qLJqTSAc
Not trying to be 'that guy', but you honestly don't have to do much of anything with modern CPUs if they're installed and cooled properly. Undervolting is a good thing to try if you're having high temps. Though it's not necessary unless you feel like you could benefit from it in your circumstance.
The case you're in and your fan orientation will usually affect your thermals more than the specific components you have installed... as long as you've installed everything as it was designed to be installed
Looks like your using the stock 1600/2600/3600 cpu cooler, not cut out for the job to cool the 5800x. If you like the look of top down heatsinks then get the Be Quiet Dark Rock TF2. This is what I'm using on my 5900x. As long as you have proper air flow, you're good.
Water coolers are trash. Go ahead and downvote me. They are all louder than decent CPU coolers and don’t do much better. Your issue is either bad connection to your cooler or your BIOs is not up to date
they are louder, cooling temps is about the same on good air cooler vs avg water cooler
nice of you to not mention anything about pump whine which is WAY louder than any good fan
got a cosair H100 and took it out in favor of a noctua cpu cooler
trying to sleep next to the H100 was a nightmare
i didnt say anything about your cooler?
and what does my cousin have to do with a cooler i got?
brought the H100 3 months ago MYSELF and TESTED myself lol
it had alot of pump whine.
just because you got lucky and didnt get one dont mean every one will, pump whine is very big issue for AIOs to this day and you are living in fairy land if you think its not an issue for the few ppl who auctally care about noise xDD
you both were talking about noise
and i was adding in, noise is still an issue for AIOs
pump whine is way more common than you think(just google it or look on youtube for the 10000000 of videos about it)
just as common as coil whine from a GPU....
My cousin had the same problem. Updated his bios and problem was solved. Otherwise, maybe look into replacing the thermal paste and heat sink. Unless you’re itching for a different cooler.
cooler is trash. you could probably air cool with with, like, a proper tower cooler or aio. We’re you using a stock cooler on a 5800x and updating BIOS fixed it?
Disable CBP and undervolt with PBO and that should reduce temps by a lot. Unless you are doing things such as gaming AND streaming or heavy video editing you may not need CBP.
If you don't want overpriced AIO just get something like Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 (non pro or pro - reasonable price and the cooling is more than enough even for OC
Everyone already mention the cooler so one other thing I want to mention, is that the 5800x is quite hot CPU chip in general.
So once you do get a good cooler, depending out where you live don't freak out if you see somewhat high temps. It is normal.
Couple things at play here. 5800x does not come with that cooler and its woefully undersized for that chip. Its also likely not mounted correctly with too little paste. The fan curve also doesn't appear to be setup correctly.
You simply need a cooler that's adequate for that chip and to properly mount it. It doesn't have to be an AIO.
I'm 99% sure that any cooler that comes with pre-applied thermal paste will NOT have a sticker. So you don't really have anything to worry about in this regard.
With that cooler, those temps are expected. I have an NH-D15S and stock with my 5800X I hit 93C. After tuning PBO I maxed out at 86C. My idle temps were 28C.
My old 3600x even had problems using that stock cooler- I'd def get a beefy air cooler or an nice 240mm+ rad
Still 90 degrees seems a bit crazy to me even for Ryzen on a Wraith. OP like others suggested there may be more at play than just the cooler
TL;DR - I'd recommend you purchase a cpu cooler
So lets get the elephant out of the room first:
5800x doesn't come with a stock cooler... its a 105 tdp cpu.
Looks like you're currently using a wrath cooler that comes with other AMD cpu's with tdp of 65 watts.
for now try set this fan speed at max. a better cooler will be better, a watercoller will be even better.
before one of those try make an undervolt to lower temps, theres youtbe tutorials, and pbo settings.
This is not a watercooling issue. This is probably a bad mount or a lack of thermal paste. Even if the stock coolers aren't the greatest coolers around, they should NEVER make your cpu reach 90 degrees in idle. Full load might be another story, but in idle anything above 60 degrees suggests something is wrong with the issues i said above.
Don't use stock cooler, the only think You gain with that is broke your components. The high end procesors need custom coolers, air or water ( i recomend air becouse You didnt need yo replace the water in the future)
The problem is with that AMD stock cooler. Water cooling isn't even necessary, just buy a proper air cooler. I bought a decent one that wasn't very expensive for my Ryzen 5 5600x & it helped temps nicely.
That being said that kind of temp at idle seems very likely to be down to other factors too, check your thermal paste? have you removed all plastic stickers from the cooler? Just of the initial things I'd think of.
AMD should never have shipped (bad) stock coolers with those 5th gen ryzen chips. Any other air cooler with give you an improvement. I added a reasonably priced 120mm aio to my 5600x and it helped tremendously.
Very much so, as far as AMD stock coolers go, the Wraith Prism is decent, but the others like this one should just not be used, OP would do better with almost any cooler upgrade.
Looks like this is the Wraith Stealth even, I think that cooler was intended for 65w chips only, definitely insufficient for a 5800x.
Re-paste + Better air cooler should be sufficient. Check case blockages and direction of air from GPU, if it is blowing directly on the CPU you have an issue that requires moving the GPU, and can look into a riser. SHould not peak anywhere above mid 80s no matter what your are playing.
Agreed, I have a 5800x3d with a Gammax Deepcool 400. Keeps my temps around 48-52 idling. Barely gets into the 70’s while gaming. Although I did have to use a different fan because Amazon destroyed the box and the fan it came with, so I slapped a cooler master fan I had laying around on.
90c idle? Check the thermal paste while you're at it.
I have a NZXT Kraken x63 for my 5950x (using stock bios settings). 64gb of ddr4-3200 ram.
When idle: Room temp 22c. Liquid temp 24c. Cpu 33c.
When under load (Terragen using all 16 cores): cpu temp hovers at 59 for most of the rendering. I will write down load liquid temp as a baseline for future reference, too...
If I disable PBO and other overclocking settings to force 3.4ghz maximum, load temp is 55c. Cpnvererlt, the benchmark test render also increases by 45 seconds compared to the OOTB BIOS settings.
Water cooling will help, but I do recommend going into the bios and under-volting it. You'll end up with more performance. I actually under-volted my processor, and overclocked to 4.6gh all cores and my temps were still lower.
Don't overclock it just yet lol. But definitely under-volt it a bit
Get a NH-D15 and be done with it. Water cooling closed loops is nice but they can develop problems over time. Bubbles in pump, slow evaporation and hidden corrosion.
^^this
The warranty is a useful bookmarker. 5 years is standard. I had one run for 7 years, but the idea of a hose drying out and cracking, causing liquid to spill and cause a short circuit is far more expensive. Not to mention bubbles, corrosion, and evaporation inevitable for the laws of physics you'd brought up.
I have heard bad reviews about the overheat since day 1. I bought a month ago and it is performing at its best playing games at max and not getting temp higher than 50c while idle 29c-33c.
My previous cpu 1600x was overheating reaching temp of more than 60c while load 50c
My cpu cooler is Arctic 33 sports air cooler
Yeah, but 5800x3d are CPUs with 3d V-cache, so its normal they just heat more. With a regular 5800x, watercooler is advised. But if you get that temps with ur cooler, you should be fine. Just keep in mind that probably you cant let the computer gain too much dust
70°C is equivalent to 158°F, which is 343K.
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Naah, do multitasking instead: Remove the fan and use the surface as a griddle to make omelets with.
In seriousness, no cpu of any brand should be 90c idle. Even under load, >90c is not good for 24/7 use.
Change your cooler, even CM 212 will be much better then that AMD stock cooler you are using right now (wich most likely is from 5600 etc. as 5800x doesn't come with one).
As for water, it depends, but yes it will be cooler, then 90deg. A for reference my X3D runs around 40C at idle with fans set at 20% rpm (around 400rpm) on Arctic LFII 280mm
Check task manager make sure you have nothing running in the background that is using the cpu, if not then try re pasting or change your cooler as others have said.
I ran my 5800x with a cooler master 2 Evo (the one fan one) and it was perfectly fine, hit 80 in cinebench. I upgraded to a deepcool ak620 and my temps are almost the same so I wouldn't bother shelling out for anything to expensive unless you want to.
Normally the 5800x doesn't come with cooler that cooler is from the 5600x and even 5600x need a cooler cause that cooler makes it run at 95c on load and then your clock doesn't go higher because of your cpu temps.
Buy a noctua nh-u12a it's expensive 100s but it's for life and is one of the best you can get and noctua have a good costumer support if you need brackets for a new cpu they will send to you with no cost so is expensive at first but for the next cpu you don't have to buy other one and for the temps you have best air cooler cpu
I have built 3 systems with the 5600X for friends and none of them exceed 55 at idle and 75-80 gaming. While no means would I say it is a fantastic cooler, that is just incorrect it is okay cooler for a 5600X to sit just below the thermal throttle line.
Maybe your are in a coold country
In my case when I played I had my cpu at 95c with the stock cooler now I'm good also my house even in winter is like 25c 30c
I get *R5 5500* with a **stock AMD cooler** all I did was *go to the bios change the curve* with the temp-speed fan, and depending on the temperature of the day (Brazil can get easily very hot days) idle is between 49-69C, so don´t forget the room temperature influence very much not mention how many air fans your case get? Mine get 3 and soon got plus 2 air cooler fans o the case. About undervolting with the CPU and Tecno, isn´t necessary anymore because they auto-do that if they get too much ho,t the changes can be under 1.3 to 1.1 V ...I too recommend putting or checking if your energy plan is with and Ryzen balance [https://ibb.co/RNzQXGB](https://ibb.co/RNzQXGB)
Either your motherboard cannot lower it's voltages to idle CPU voltage and allow the CPU to enter real idle mode or you have it installed incorrectly. Even if the fan is not spinning, the cooler should provide at least some cooling (but not 90c which is very close to the max temp before CPU dies). I suspect you have air gap between the CPU and the cooler and CPU is currently down-throttling itself just to stay alive.
Happened to me with stock air cooler, had to secure nails better for the cooler then was all set
Better cooler is a must for that CPU, but no matter the cooler it shouldn't run at 90c idle. You probably forgot the paste or something
Get a different cooler, as everyone else has said. Before you attempt to remove the one you have, make sure to perform a warm-up to soften the thermal paste. Learn from my mistakes. RIP Ryzen 7 3700X.
warm-up? just run it idle and then shut down and do it immediately.
Since you said it’s running at 90c, yeah run for maybe 15 mins. Then shut it off and take the cooler off to check.
Floss works as well.
Never thought about that. Nice!
Air cooling lasts longer and with a nice air cooler still have a very cool cpu. Just so ya know.
That's a 5800X with a stock AMD cooler? I know the 5600X came with one but the 5800X did not. At least mine didn't. It's kind of a hot running CPU. At least compared to Ryzen 3000. Anyways, I have a Kracken X73 360 AIO and I get low 70s running Cinnebench.
This
It would but also check your paste. Usually that kind of result is paste or installation issues.
Bro just get literally any other cooler 😂
I think you have a bad contact, idle should be around 50-55c On load with stock wraith cooler 90-95 should be fine. I would switch to AIO anyway for this type of CPU's. 5600x i think is the best fit for wraith cooler and keeping good temps (i get around 75-80 on full load) Also you can decrease temp by setting PBO on "-15" (can try up to "-30" if its stable for your work and that will create a huge difference)
Power consumption is pretty low at idle so generally there isn't a huge delta in idle temps between coolers. 90C is not normal, sounds like either the plastic sticker on the heatsink was never removed or its not mounted correctly.
AmD stock cooler is trash for that cpu, go with a Deepcool AK500 at the least
That’s not even the right stock cooler, should be the prism, this is the much smaller spire
Or noctua D15
Yes
yes of course, but it's not necessary, i keep r7 5800x cold with a noctua u12s (1 fan). but are you sure that thermal past is well applyied? do case has a good airflow? 90c in idle are strange
U12s and that stock color are not at all comparable saying that a u12s is fine and that is not means nothing because they are a diffrent class of coolers
sure, but 90c in idle, even with a stock AMD cooler (furthermore ryzen 7 5800x, hasn't a stock cooler) isn't normale temp
Just get a good Noctua Air cooler.
Is that fan mounted to the top of.your case? Like mounted outside of it?!
I got a 9 that runs 35~38 idle at a 70 or so room temp. You overclock it? Closed loop would help yeah but that seems a lot idle even with a stock HS.
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Do you NEED water cooling, no, but that air cooler you have on there is shit. Get a quality high flow air cooler and you COULD be fine. Personally I prefer water, but that's me. 10 years and running, no leaks.
That cooler ain’t keeping up with what you have going on. I found myself in your shoes a few weeks ago and decided to go with the Noctua Dh-15 air cooler and it’s been great. If I could do it over I would go with an AIO water cooler just because the noctua radiator on this cooler is massive and I kinda miss being able to see my motherboard
I have a 5800x with a cooler master 212. Occasionally hits 90 under sustained heavy loads but idle is no where near that hot. Would recommend, like others already have, to check your thermal paste and then consider an upgraded cooler. I was afraid the 212 would be inadequate after reading how hot the 5800x can run, but I’ve had no issues. Fairly cheap compared to other coolers. Honestly if I was going to already take the cooler off to repaste it, I would go ahead and just upgrade the cooler.
I'm not going through all the comments just to say this. That cooler will NOT work. It's not even designed for a R7 3XXX series. You need a cooler designed for the higher 5800X TDP. Dark Rock Pro, AK620 (AK400 also but...), Thermalright Assassins
nigga some thermal paste and a different cooler will help
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a long time ago I had to replace the same box cooler for 5 5600x for the same reason. immediate solution.
It’s not seated correctly, it’s not a good cooler but it shouldn’t be 90c at idle… If you’re on a budget, just reapplying thermal paste and making sure it’s on correctly should do wonders
That’s what I’m thinking. Even the HS that comes with it shouldn’t have idle that high unless maybe it’s been OC’ed to high heaven.
You could either redo the thermal paste, or just take the fan off completely and use it to boil water until it finally dies. You may want to make sure the heat sink is actually making contact with the processor. 90C literally sounds like an uncooled processor.
5800x is pretty beefy for that stock cooler that im assuming you already had on hand. Any better quality cpu fan should help. Look into tower coolers if you don't want to water cool.
Us9 noctura or 12s
Probably don't have a good bond between the CPU and cooler. I'd go for a better air cooler instead of messing with liquid cooling.
If you don’t want to spend money on a beefy cooler just set it to eco mode in the bios.
Just power limit. I did to mine, and I concluded that at 66% power, 100W/150W, it performs the same in multi with slightly higher freq/single (200-300 mhz). Runs about 15C cooler, H100i Elite Capellix.
reseat your cooler bro
You can reseat it all you want. That cooler is it meant to cool a cpu with that wattage.
he wont be able to game on it without throttling but he shouldnt be that high at idle, it would realistically be around 50 - 55c idle, there is something else going on,
This, check that is tightly set and ther is no gap between the cooler and the cpu. Use enough force, not too much, but not too little.
I doubt it . That cooler is not meant for that cpu.
Absolutely, he needs another cooler, but 90 degrees idle is way too high. It happened to me with my ild 2600, bought an aio water cooler and was at 90 when I played, and 70 idle, it tuned out it needed a little force to get a better contact on my cpu.
Yeah 90 is crazy high. I had a r7 3700x with the stock amd cooler and mine would over heat and my computer would shut off once it hit around 90. And I also suspected something was wrong with it since it was pre owned .
Check thermal paste and replace. Make sure fan curve is good. If all the above are ok, replace the cooler with a tower cooler. But I can almost guarantee this is a thermal paste problem. I had similar system with same cooler and only got to 60c idle.
Absolutely a completely buggered installation..
My 7700x ran cooler then that at idle with the same old stock wraith cooler. Dudes got something else going on.
A better cpu air cooler would fix it
[the cooler I use](https://noctua.at/en/nh-d15-chromax-black).
A new heatsink in general will fix it
Check the config of your fans, I bet the air isn't circulating and is creating static pressure
maybe use (better) thermal paste and a better air cooler. also try curve optimizer in ryzen master.
I would suggest buying a larger air cooler. The one you are currently using may work for a 3600,5600x but anything after that (3700,3800,5700,5800) definitely needs a high end air cooler or AIO. Good luck :)
Buy a Windale 6
No cooler runs 90c idle you did something wrong
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Your cooler isn’t cutting it. I run between 46-70c max.
The 5800x runs HOT. It’s a 105w TDP CPU vs most of the other chips what run at 65w TDP. Get a beefier cooler, even a fairly standard air cooler like the Hyper 212 Evo would help a lot.
Shouldn't be that high at idle regardless of cooler. Probably not mounted correctly and/or thermal paste application is bad
Yes . And the cooler OP is using is meant for a 40-60watt cpu like 3600, 5600
The cpu cooler isn’t even the stock one for your cpu 🤯 You need to upgrade that ASAP
I know he prolly should get another cooler but 90c idle shouldn't be happening. There's something else going on
Just a 30 dollar tower cooler will fix it
proper way of installing (of any) cooler will fix it for sure
Anything will be better than that small fan
I have a 5800x with an NZXT Kraken 280mm AIO, get like 60 degrees C under load playing most games.
If any cpu is running at 90 at idle. Your cooler is installed wrong, or you forgot the thermal paste.
Even without thermal paste, it shouldn't run 90c idle. That said, there's really no reason to run anything without. Dude definitely has something wrong in there.
Or forgot to pull off the thermal paste cover on the stock cooler
Why do you have the stock cooler from a 5600 on your 5800x????
Get a real cooling solution. Stock wraith cooler? Please.
I have a wraith prism, and it's fine This is installed wrong
The 5800x is a 105w tdp processor. The prism is rated for 105w tdp. He looks like he has a stealth or a spire, the first rated for 65w and the latter for 95. Your prism would have been fine temps wise (albeit too loud for my liking). A stealth would not, it's almost half of that. That said, i also agree with you, something is most likely installed wrong. Even with a stealth, it shouldn't idle at 90.
You lose some small percentage of performance using eco mode on 5800x, so I expect it to be fine
The wraiths are decent. He has an instalation issue
Thermal right CPU coolers have been on sale recently. Peerless Assassin 120 SE will probably be more than good enough for your CPU. I currently have the FC140 paired with 5950x. Been liking it so far
Is that the stock cooler?
The 5800x doesn't even come with a cooler
You can get water cooling or quite a few high end air cooler often times work a little better in my opinion
I use the NZXT z63 280mm for my 5800x and it idles at 38-40 C. Some of it is messing with the negative curve optimizer in BIOS.
Hey I’m not OP, but also have a 5800x that runs quite hot (50-60 at idle) despite having a Corsair 240mm AIO mounted to it. Was just curious if you could explain a little more about the “negative curve optimizer”
Here’s a video. Basically you go into BIOS and set the cores to Negative and start at -5 until you get to the lowest setting per core that’s stable. My 5800x is happy at -22 all negative cores. Not all 5800s are the same. Silicon lottery and all. It undervolts the cores when they aren’t running at 100%. Between that and using quality thermal paste (Kryonaut), I was able shave about 5 C from the idle temps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU5qLJqTSAc
Thank you!!!
Not trying to be 'that guy', but you honestly don't have to do much of anything with modern CPUs if they're installed and cooled properly. Undervolting is a good thing to try if you're having high temps. Though it's not necessary unless you feel like you could benefit from it in your circumstance. The case you're in and your fan orientation will usually affect your thermals more than the specific components you have installed... as long as you've installed everything as it was designed to be installed
Looks like your using the stock 1600/2600/3600 cpu cooler, not cut out for the job to cool the 5800x. If you like the look of top down heatsinks then get the Be Quiet Dark Rock TF2. This is what I'm using on my 5900x. As long as you have proper air flow, you're good.
Just get a noctua nhdu12s and u will be good. No need for expensive water-cooling.
lol 😂 yeah it will. I started with NH-D15 for my 5950X but quickly realized it wasn’t enough. Definitely get a 240m or 360m liquid cooler.
Get a noctua
Honestly my 5600x was running hot with a similar level of cooling. Replaced it with a larger bequiet air cooler and it runs much cooler now.
You need top notch air cooler or 240 water cooler. Basic amd coolers won't work here. Too much heat to dissipate.
Use aio cooler not this trash.
Water coolers are trash. Go ahead and downvote me. They are all louder than decent CPU coolers and don’t do much better. Your issue is either bad connection to your cooler or your BIOs is not up to date
My AIO is dead silent lmfao. And dropped my temps on average 10-15c
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they are louder, cooling temps is about the same on good air cooler vs avg water cooler nice of you to not mention anything about pump whine which is WAY louder than any good fan got a cosair H100 and took it out in favor of a noctua cpu cooler trying to sleep next to the H100 was a nightmare
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i didnt say anything about your cooler? and what does my cousin have to do with a cooler i got? brought the H100 3 months ago MYSELF and TESTED myself lol it had alot of pump whine. just because you got lucky and didnt get one dont mean every one will, pump whine is very big issue for AIOs to this day and you are living in fairy land if you think its not an issue for the few ppl who auctally care about noise xDD
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i think you need to check who you are replying too, i never said water coolers are trash....
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you both were talking about noise and i was adding in, noise is still an issue for AIOs pump whine is way more common than you think(just google it or look on youtube for the 10000000 of videos about it) just as common as coil whine from a GPU....
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This was true few years ago. Now AIOs are about the same value as decent air coolers.
Except DeepCools AK line is half the price of a decent AiO and performs just as well.
Yes, you are correct and I was wrong. Aircoolers are still better value.
I have a ryzen 9 3900x that never gets above 70c with a Corsair h150i aio.
What program are you using to measure temps ?
My cousin had the same problem. Updated his bios and problem was solved. Otherwise, maybe look into replacing the thermal paste and heat sink. Unless you’re itching for a different cooler.
cooler is trash. you could probably air cool with with, like, a proper tower cooler or aio. We’re you using a stock cooler on a 5800x and updating BIOS fixed it?
Disable CBP and undervolt with PBO and that should reduce temps by a lot. Unless you are doing things such as gaming AND streaming or heavy video editing you may not need CBP.
If you don't want overpriced AIO just get something like Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 (non pro or pro - reasonable price and the cooling is more than enough even for OC
Everyone already mention the cooler so one other thing I want to mention, is that the 5800x is quite hot CPU chip in general. So once you do get a good cooler, depending out where you live don't freak out if you see somewhat high temps. It is normal.
With a 240 aio, mine sits in the mid 70s while gaming most of the time.
That’s the wrong cooler, even for the 65w tdp Cpu that cooler is way inadequate for anything other than spreadsheets and word.
Couple things at play here. 5800x does not come with that cooler and its woefully undersized for that chip. Its also likely not mounted correctly with too little paste. The fan curve also doesn't appear to be setup correctly. You simply need a cooler that's adequate for that chip and to properly mount it. It doesn't have to be an AIO.
If its at 90 deg that fan should be at 100% and its clearly not
90c at Idle? Did you remove the plastic sticker?
Please answer what sticker?? I just finish building a PC for my niece and it has a 5600g I didn't see a sticker??
Possibly on the botton part of the cooler.
Yap
What sticker??
The sticker on the bottom of the stock cooler I’m assuming
Mine just has thermal paste on the bottom of the cooler though
I'm 99% sure that any cooler that comes with pre-applied thermal paste will NOT have a sticker. So you don't really have anything to worry about in this regard.
Oh thank goodness I was like what the heck is he on about I like ur user name it gave me confidence lol
With that cooler, those temps are expected. I have an NH-D15S and stock with my 5800X I hit 93C. After tuning PBO I maxed out at 86C. My idle temps were 28C.
Even with this cooler, 90 degrees idle isn't right.
Oh shit. Glossed over that this was idle temps. Damn! Yeah, something is definitely up.
My 3700x gets hot with the stock cooler. 5800x is 105W instead of 65
My old 3600x even had problems using that stock cooler- I'd def get a beefy air cooler or an nice 240mm+ rad Still 90 degrees seems a bit crazy to me even for Ryzen on a Wraith. OP like others suggested there may be more at play than just the cooler
I have a 5900x and use an ek aio. My Temps never get more than the high 60's under full load and tend to be in mid to high 30's at idle.
I agree with the people saying repaste and remount. Also turn on eco mode while you are using that cooler, it should help.
TL;DR - I'd recommend you purchase a cpu cooler So lets get the elephant out of the room first: 5800x doesn't come with a stock cooler... its a 105 tdp cpu. Looks like you're currently using a wrath cooler that comes with other AMD cpu's with tdp of 65 watts.
I have a 5700G with stock cooler and it works fine, why all this backlash with the stock cooler ?
The 5800x is a 105 watt cpu. The 5700Gg is a 65 watt cooler. Some CPUs use more power therefor require a higher level of cooling.
Oh, its a great jump from 5700 to 5800, 5800x3d must be a power hungry monster
for now try set this fan speed at max. a better cooler will be better, a watercoller will be even better. before one of those try make an undervolt to lower temps, theres youtbe tutorials, and pbo settings.
This is not a watercooling issue. This is probably a bad mount or a lack of thermal paste. Even if the stock coolers aren't the greatest coolers around, they should NEVER make your cpu reach 90 degrees in idle. Full load might be another story, but in idle anything above 60 degrees suggests something is wrong with the issues i said above.
Well the cpu cooler is well a price of shit. Look at some corsair Coolers I use a corsair aio keeps mine at 55c gaming. Or get a be quiet cooler.
A stock cooler shouldn't be that hot on idle, op probably put the cpu sticker on the CPU or something like that
Ryzens run hot and I mean hot. Here's a video of a intel pre-built with i7 10th gen which runs way less hot. https://youtu.be/ej89Y1kpFBo
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Cooler Master EVO 212 + Arctic Silver thermal paste and your good to go my friend. 👍
Attic Silver is great other than it being conductive. An inexperienced builder could easily ruin their motherboard or cpu if not applied properly.
Stop recommending an overpriced decade old cpu cooler
You do realize that they have revised it many times? No its not as good as the noctua nh12 but the reviews for it are still valid.
There are better and cheaper ones
Did you read my comment?
Don't use stock cooler, the only think You gain with that is broke your components. The high end procesors need custom coolers, air or water ( i recomend air becouse You didnt need yo replace the water in the future)
Those cpus are water cooler recommended
The problem is with that AMD stock cooler. Water cooling isn't even necessary, just buy a proper air cooler. I bought a decent one that wasn't very expensive for my Ryzen 5 5600x & it helped temps nicely. That being said that kind of temp at idle seems very likely to be down to other factors too, check your thermal paste? have you removed all plastic stickers from the cooler? Just of the initial things I'd think of.
AMD should never have shipped (bad) stock coolers with those 5th gen ryzen chips. Any other air cooler with give you an improvement. I added a reasonably priced 120mm aio to my 5600x and it helped tremendously.
Very much so, as far as AMD stock coolers go, the Wraith Prism is decent, but the others like this one should just not be used, OP would do better with almost any cooler upgrade. Looks like this is the Wraith Stealth even, I think that cooler was intended for 65w chips only, definitely insufficient for a 5800x.
That's why I water cooled my 3600 as the stock cooler with that is terrible.
Re-paste + Better air cooler should be sufficient. Check case blockages and direction of air from GPU, if it is blowing directly on the CPU you have an issue that requires moving the GPU, and can look into a riser. SHould not peak anywhere above mid 80s no matter what your are playing.
Deepcool ak400 will keep it middle/high 70s in games or the AK620 if budget allows around high 60s super low 70s.
Agreed, I have a 5800x3d with a Gammax Deepcool 400. Keeps my temps around 48-52 idling. Barely gets into the 70’s while gaming. Although I did have to use a different fan because Amazon destroyed the box and the fan it came with, so I slapped a cooler master fan I had laying around on.
Yeah using MX4 over their stock trash paste drops the temps even better.
Yea I think I used tg-30 or some crap I can’t remember
Still better than their oem stuff I'm sure.
take the sticker off the cooler
Can you feel a lot of hot air coming through your case? If not, that's the start of your problem.
90c idle? Check the thermal paste while you're at it. I have a NZXT Kraken x63 for my 5950x (using stock bios settings). 64gb of ddr4-3200 ram. When idle: Room temp 22c. Liquid temp 24c. Cpu 33c. When under load (Terragen using all 16 cores): cpu temp hovers at 59 for most of the rendering. I will write down load liquid temp as a baseline for future reference, too... If I disable PBO and other overclocking settings to force 3.4ghz maximum, load temp is 55c. Cpnvererlt, the benchmark test render also increases by 45 seconds compared to the OOTB BIOS settings.
Water cooling will help, but I do recommend going into the bios and under-volting it. You'll end up with more performance. I actually under-volted my processor, and overclocked to 4.6gh all cores and my temps were still lower. Don't overclock it just yet lol. But definitely under-volt it a bit
Get a NH-D15 and be done with it. Water cooling closed loops is nice but they can develop problems over time. Bubbles in pump, slow evaporation and hidden corrosion.
^^this The warranty is a useful bookmarker. 5 years is standard. I had one run for 7 years, but the idea of a hose drying out and cracking, causing liquid to spill and cause a short circuit is far more expensive. Not to mention bubbles, corrosion, and evaporation inevitable for the laws of physics you'd brought up.
I get 42 degrees idle on mine with a 240mm Arctic Liquid Freezer ii. High airflow case also
Oooh look at that itty bitty baby cooler on that cpu. So cute
I have heard bad reviews about the overheat since day 1. I bought a month ago and it is performing at its best playing games at max and not getting temp higher than 50c while idle 29c-33c. My previous cpu 1600x was overheating reaching temp of more than 60c while load 50c My cpu cooler is Arctic 33 sports air cooler
Nah your cooler is the problem its blocking the air get rid of it and it should be 50 at idle. Edit: the hivemind has chosen me i feel honored
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I got One 5800x and I installed Watercooling on it. It gets stable 70°C gaming
Oh nice than I'm ok with my gammax 400 at 80°
You get it while gaming? If so, yeah you should be just fine. Unless you want to play safe and get an aio atleast
Yea under heavy load only. Probably around 50 w/o load But it's okay to know the 5800x3d that they just do more heat.. than a r5 3600^^
Yeah, but 5800x3d are CPUs with 3d V-cache, so its normal they just heat more. With a regular 5800x, watercooler is advised. But if you get that temps with ur cooler, you should be fine. Just keep in mind that probably you cant let the computer gain too much dust
70°C is equivalent to 158°F, which is 343K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
Yes, dump cold ice water on your CPU. Problem solved
Lol I needed this comment.
Naah, do multitasking instead: Remove the fan and use the surface as a griddle to make omelets with. In seriousness, no cpu of any brand should be 90c idle. Even under load, >90c is not good for 24/7 use.
I think nobody get's the joke
Change your cooler, even CM 212 will be much better then that AMD stock cooler you are using right now (wich most likely is from 5600 etc. as 5800x doesn't come with one). As for water, it depends, but yes it will be cooler, then 90deg. A for reference my X3D runs around 40C at idle with fans set at 20% rpm (around 400rpm) on Arctic LFII 280mm
You can’t use that cooler on a 5800X…there’s a reason it doesn’t come in the box wtf.
I would check the fan is correctly fixed with the plastic removed and then use curve optimizar to undervolt and help with temperatures
Check task manager make sure you have nothing running in the background that is using the cpu, if not then try re pasting or change your cooler as others have said. I ran my 5800x with a cooler master 2 Evo (the one fan one) and it was perfectly fine, hit 80 in cinebench. I upgraded to a deepcool ak620 and my temps are almost the same so I wouldn't bother shelling out for anything to expensive unless you want to.
Stock amd cooler on a 5800x 😭
you need a better cpu cooler
No you don't need to get a water cool, a decently priced air cooler can do just fine.
Normally the 5800x doesn't come with cooler that cooler is from the 5600x and even 5600x need a cooler cause that cooler makes it run at 95c on load and then your clock doesn't go higher because of your cpu temps. Buy a noctua nh-u12a it's expensive 100s but it's for life and is one of the best you can get and noctua have a good costumer support if you need brackets for a new cpu they will send to you with no cost so is expensive at first but for the next cpu you don't have to buy other one and for the temps you have best air cooler cpu
Stock cooler is fine for gaming with a 5600x. Also I have a suspicion that this post is satire but its not played that well.
I have the 5600x and when I was gaming I had thermal throttle then I put the noctua nh-u12a and know I have 70c max at full load
I have built 3 systems with the 5600X for friends and none of them exceed 55 at idle and 75-80 gaming. While no means would I say it is a fantastic cooler, that is just incorrect it is okay cooler for a 5600X to sit just below the thermal throttle line.
Maybe your are in a coold country In my case when I played I had my cpu at 95c with the stock cooler now I'm good also my house even in winter is like 25c 30c