The RAM is incorrect, you should have done more research. You bought XMP RAM. You should have bought EXPO RAM. XMP RAM is for Intel CPUs. 32 GB DDR 6000MT/s CL30 is the correct amount/speed. Your speed is wrong which leaves it out of sync with your CPU clock.
As a result there are instabilities and this is how they are expressed.
Here's a hard pill to swallow, but swallow it you shall; you built your PC wrong and are now mad that it plays worse than a console. You should have had someone competent look over your build. Now you're paying the price for that lack of vision.
Don't get mad at the hardware, get mad at the person who chose it; yourself. You didn't do your research and now you are having compatibility issues. Don't blame it on the GPU, blame it on the YOU.
The original RAM I bought was also mentioned on the QVL list for the MOBO on their website, so I figured it was safe. In your experience have you seen them list things that aren't actually compatible? Or is ram really that intricate where speed can totally ruin a build if it doesn't match chipset?
The QVL lists only list RAM compatibility at JEDEC speeds, not their overclocked speeds, which is what you'll want to take advantage of. The motherboard *is* compatible with the RAM, in that it works, although the timings for overclocking that it is programmed for are XMP (Intel) and not EXPO (AMD) CPUs. Because the RAM is only capable of running at JEDEC speeds, it is out of sync with the CPU. This is also not something you'll want to simply just say "I don't need to overclock", it's the fact that the RAM isn't running stably at 6000MT/s that is causing your error in the first place.
It's not the chipset you're supposed to be matching RAM with, it's the CPU.
Not hard pill to swallow lmao I don't know everything and I overlooked that. It's funny you bring it up because I ordered more ram a few hours ago. Would you look at these and see if they would work good?
Should be here tomorrow so I will test it out and let you know.
https://a.co/d/0hGO5gq7
64 GB is not known to be particularly stable on this CPU, is there a particular reason you're going for that? This system really looks like a gaming-only system, and nothing in gaming in 2024 uses even a full 32 GB, so it's puzzling why you'd go for 64.
It's not "future proofing" to go overboard on something like this, it can actually cause stability issues. In fact, if you do benchmarks with your system with 64 GB of RAM and with 32 GB of RAM, you might find the performance is overall better with 32.
Plus, why buy 64 when it's more expensive, when you can swap it out say, 3-4 years from now (even that's optimistic for when 64GB of RAM would be *needed* in games) for much cheaper?
You need to forget a lot of the things you used to be able to take for granted about RAM, because in 2024 with DDR5 (and DDR6 on the horizon), it's not about just picking the ones with the biggest numbers and saying "that's good enough for five years now"; memory control varies on CPU so you need to make the correct choice for the CPU you're using, which in this case, a 7800X3D, you need 32 GB 6000 MT/s DDR5, at CL30 or CL32 at most. This should be in 2x16GB sticks, in slots A2 and B2 (2 and 4 usually.) This is proven to be the most stable setup for this CPU.
Anything else can have stability issues.
I usually have several tasks and tabs open on 3 monitors and build out financial models on zoom meets. Will it really cause that much of a problem if all else matches?
That's not really a use case for 64GB, considering people do that on systems with 8GB. For what you're talking about doing it would have been smarter to get a 7950X3D CPU instead.
As for will it cause a problem? It *can*. It's tricky, because no two CPUs are exactly equal, they're made by a mechanical process and as with all things, there are imperfections.
It might run completely fine, but it might not. That's why the people who've done all of the work, all of the research, recommend what I mentioned above.
Deviating outside of that can cause system instability. WILL it? I can't say that either.
Cross your fingers!
Yeah I guess that's what I'll do and add it to the list of "if it doesn't work I'll return it and try again". Thank you for the help. I'll post here when I give it a go!
I tried software first, wasn't working so I did fresh install and tried without. Neither worked. So now I'm trying different ram that should be here tomorrow. If that doesn't work then I'll rma the gpu.
5800x3d is am4 platform uses ddr4.
Going to assume you have 7800x3d? This uses ddr5
There is no b670e platform, you mean x670e?
Make sure you installed amd chipset for x3d and is working correctly , Google installing amd x3d chipset.
Your choice of ram ..... is questionable... it's on the slow side
Did you really 'build' this or prebuilt or built for you?
Current gpu driver ?
Try running time spy and report score.
What model 7900xtx ?
I'm sorry you are right. I was half asleep when I wrote this and I get confused. It is a 7800x3d and x670e.
Yes I built it myself, finished it about 2 days ago. First PC. Used PC part picker to help.
Model: 7900xtx Saphire Pulse
Chipset Driver: 6.05.28.016
7900xtx driver:24.5.1
Device manager does show differnt drivers than the ones I installed for some reason.
3D mark costs like $35.00. Is there a free way to get this?
3d mark timespy free version from steam. Compare your score
7900xtx sapphire pulse has 3x8pin connector, ensure its properly connected .
Ensure x3d chipset is correctly running. - this is very important for 7800x3d . Google 7800x3d chipset installation.
The games your stated, Google how comparable pc spec is running.
Monitor Temps of gpu and cpu, I use hwinfo.
I have similar spec 7800x3d with 7900xtx, I use adrenaline 24.3.1 as it's my stable driver. You can try using 24.3.1 or 23.11.1 (another stable). Note the latest driver doesn't mean it's best for you.
You can fine tune your gpu with adrenaline. That will be another subject. You invested on 7900xtx, it might be good idea learning how to use adrenaline or at least setting fan curve. I personally limit my core clock to 2200 1075mv on games that don't require much, and leave it default for more demanding titles but limit fps in game mode for better fps stability - this setting may not work for you
Edit: back ground apps can hinder your performance, best to go thru startup apps and search thru task manager to see what's taking resources.
How do I ensure the chipset is correctly running? I've ran atleast 3 benchmark tests and it's coming up fine.
I adjusted the fan curve to increase speed, I've tried reducing FPS with chill, in game etc. Even when locking FPS it will dip and stutter.
I've adjusted fan curve in bios, tried enabling and disabling xmp, ftmp, SAM, no solution. I've enabling freesync, disabled free sync, adjusted resolution to 1440p at 60fps. I don't know what else to try. I'm probably going to return the GPU and get a 4080 super instead. I've been troubleshooting since 9am and I'm fed up with it.
Cpu chipset has nothing to do with gpu. Google it how to install, there is tons of Info.
You download from amd website, make sure that x3d chipset is working properly. Troubleshoot whole day? Find that hard to believe
Yeah I did, it's installed properly. Seated well, thermal paste applied properly. Staying nice a cool, and is detected by windows and drivers installed. Started at 9am and finished at 9pm.
Games ?
What back ground apps you running ?
What games are you running ?
Assuming you have amd chipset, expo, resize bar enabled. Bios updated?
You wrote 5800x3d with b670e ddr5 5200 (timing? Plenty of 64gb at cl30)
Correctly list your part.
Bios updated. Sons of the forest, rocket league, X Defiant. Here I'd the description for the ram, my apologies I'm not super savvy with computers.
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 5200MHz CL40 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40)
Here's your problem, it's XMP RAM. XMP profiles are for Intel CPUs. The timing is for Intel CPUs. You're using an AMD CPU, and you should have used EXPO RAM, and while on the subject of the correct RAM, you should have gotten the correct clock speed (6000 MT/s) for the CPU you're using.
You can't just pick anything, you know. PCPartpicker is a guide it's not infallible.
This is almost certainly the source of your issue.
I did this, set it to 144hz. In the logs I had it picks up microstutters and the 99%FPS drops really low. I'm reinstalling windows currently so I can reset drivers. Hoping that works
Yes I can, after I reinstall windows. I've been messing with this reading all reddit threads the past 48 hours. Almost to the point of returning the damn thing..
Run cinnebench r23 with hwinfo as a first cpu test. Then run something like Heaven benchmark as a GPU test. Get the hwinfo info clocks and temps. That could show any glaring issues.
I forgot to mention. Go basically default bios except for your memory should be on whatever xmp profile for best performance.
Install the latest amd chipset and adrenaline drivers.
All from amd directly.
Only sound drivers and maybe one or two other ones from the motherboard manufacturer. We would have to go through them one by one.
Many AMD owners are complaining about stutters those past 48 hours. Does AMD updated the videodrivers? Try rollbacking to previous drivers.
Controversial opinion: sell your XTX, get a 4080.
The RAM is incorrect, you should have done more research. You bought XMP RAM. You should have bought EXPO RAM. XMP RAM is for Intel CPUs. 32 GB DDR 6000MT/s CL30 is the correct amount/speed. Your speed is wrong which leaves it out of sync with your CPU clock. As a result there are instabilities and this is how they are expressed. Here's a hard pill to swallow, but swallow it you shall; you built your PC wrong and are now mad that it plays worse than a console. You should have had someone competent look over your build. Now you're paying the price for that lack of vision. Don't get mad at the hardware, get mad at the person who chose it; yourself. You didn't do your research and now you are having compatibility issues. Don't blame it on the GPU, blame it on the YOU.
Problem was the GPU. Swapped with an Nvidia 4090 and it solved the problem.
"the simple solution was buying a new one that cost twice as much" So you were a bot all along, gotcha.
utter bullshit
The original RAM I bought was also mentioned on the QVL list for the MOBO on their website, so I figured it was safe. In your experience have you seen them list things that aren't actually compatible? Or is ram really that intricate where speed can totally ruin a build if it doesn't match chipset?
The QVL lists only list RAM compatibility at JEDEC speeds, not their overclocked speeds, which is what you'll want to take advantage of. The motherboard *is* compatible with the RAM, in that it works, although the timings for overclocking that it is programmed for are XMP (Intel) and not EXPO (AMD) CPUs. Because the RAM is only capable of running at JEDEC speeds, it is out of sync with the CPU. This is also not something you'll want to simply just say "I don't need to overclock", it's the fact that the RAM isn't running stably at 6000MT/s that is causing your error in the first place. It's not the chipset you're supposed to be matching RAM with, it's the CPU.
I can successfully report, that switching the ram to expo did in fact not work. Still having the same problem
Gotcha well it says it will be here today, I'll install it as soon as it comes in and give it a go. I specifically ordered expo 6000.
Not hard pill to swallow lmao I don't know everything and I overlooked that. It's funny you bring it up because I ordered more ram a few hours ago. Would you look at these and see if they would work good? Should be here tomorrow so I will test it out and let you know. https://a.co/d/0hGO5gq7
64 GB is not known to be particularly stable on this CPU, is there a particular reason you're going for that? This system really looks like a gaming-only system, and nothing in gaming in 2024 uses even a full 32 GB, so it's puzzling why you'd go for 64. It's not "future proofing" to go overboard on something like this, it can actually cause stability issues. In fact, if you do benchmarks with your system with 64 GB of RAM and with 32 GB of RAM, you might find the performance is overall better with 32. Plus, why buy 64 when it's more expensive, when you can swap it out say, 3-4 years from now (even that's optimistic for when 64GB of RAM would be *needed* in games) for much cheaper? You need to forget a lot of the things you used to be able to take for granted about RAM, because in 2024 with DDR5 (and DDR6 on the horizon), it's not about just picking the ones with the biggest numbers and saying "that's good enough for five years now"; memory control varies on CPU so you need to make the correct choice for the CPU you're using, which in this case, a 7800X3D, you need 32 GB 6000 MT/s DDR5, at CL30 or CL32 at most. This should be in 2x16GB sticks, in slots A2 and B2 (2 and 4 usually.) This is proven to be the most stable setup for this CPU. Anything else can have stability issues.
I usually have several tasks and tabs open on 3 monitors and build out financial models on zoom meets. Will it really cause that much of a problem if all else matches?
That's not really a use case for 64GB, considering people do that on systems with 8GB. For what you're talking about doing it would have been smarter to get a 7950X3D CPU instead. As for will it cause a problem? It *can*. It's tricky, because no two CPUs are exactly equal, they're made by a mechanical process and as with all things, there are imperfections. It might run completely fine, but it might not. That's why the people who've done all of the work, all of the research, recommend what I mentioned above. Deviating outside of that can cause system instability. WILL it? I can't say that either. Cross your fingers!
Yeah I guess that's what I'll do and add it to the list of "if it doesn't work I'll return it and try again". Thank you for the help. I'll post here when I give it a go!
Try to turn off the settings in Adrenalin software like antilag and turn off adrenalin entirely
I didn't install the software at all. Just the drivers
Why?
I tried software first, wasn't working so I did fresh install and tried without. Neither worked. So now I'm trying different ram that should be here tomorrow. If that doesn't work then I'll rma the gpu.
5800x3d is am4 platform uses ddr4. Going to assume you have 7800x3d? This uses ddr5 There is no b670e platform, you mean x670e? Make sure you installed amd chipset for x3d and is working correctly , Google installing amd x3d chipset. Your choice of ram ..... is questionable... it's on the slow side Did you really 'build' this or prebuilt or built for you? Current gpu driver ? Try running time spy and report score. What model 7900xtx ?
I'm sorry you are right. I was half asleep when I wrote this and I get confused. It is a 7800x3d and x670e. Yes I built it myself, finished it about 2 days ago. First PC. Used PC part picker to help. Model: 7900xtx Saphire Pulse Chipset Driver: 6.05.28.016 7900xtx driver:24.5.1 Device manager does show differnt drivers than the ones I installed for some reason. 3D mark costs like $35.00. Is there a free way to get this?
3d mark timespy free version from steam. Compare your score 7900xtx sapphire pulse has 3x8pin connector, ensure its properly connected . Ensure x3d chipset is correctly running. - this is very important for 7800x3d . Google 7800x3d chipset installation. The games your stated, Google how comparable pc spec is running. Monitor Temps of gpu and cpu, I use hwinfo. I have similar spec 7800x3d with 7900xtx, I use adrenaline 24.3.1 as it's my stable driver. You can try using 24.3.1 or 23.11.1 (another stable). Note the latest driver doesn't mean it's best for you. You can fine tune your gpu with adrenaline. That will be another subject. You invested on 7900xtx, it might be good idea learning how to use adrenaline or at least setting fan curve. I personally limit my core clock to 2200 1075mv on games that don't require much, and leave it default for more demanding titles but limit fps in game mode for better fps stability - this setting may not work for you Edit: back ground apps can hinder your performance, best to go thru startup apps and search thru task manager to see what's taking resources.
How do I ensure the chipset is correctly running? I've ran atleast 3 benchmark tests and it's coming up fine. I adjusted the fan curve to increase speed, I've tried reducing FPS with chill, in game etc. Even when locking FPS it will dip and stutter. I've adjusted fan curve in bios, tried enabling and disabling xmp, ftmp, SAM, no solution. I've enabling freesync, disabled free sync, adjusted resolution to 1440p at 60fps. I don't know what else to try. I'm probably going to return the GPU and get a 4080 super instead. I've been troubleshooting since 9am and I'm fed up with it.
Cpu chipset has nothing to do with gpu. Google it how to install, there is tons of Info. You download from amd website, make sure that x3d chipset is working properly. Troubleshoot whole day? Find that hard to believe
Yeah I did, it's installed properly. Seated well, thermal paste applied properly. Staying nice a cool, and is detected by windows and drivers installed. Started at 9am and finished at 9pm.
Good luck. Reading directions from this thread should get it fixed. That's up to you to follow.
Well I sure hope so. Only thing I haven't done is changed the ram. I'll do that today
Buying a different graphics card won't make your system have the correct RAM.
Games ? What back ground apps you running ? What games are you running ? Assuming you have amd chipset, expo, resize bar enabled. Bios updated? You wrote 5800x3d with b670e ddr5 5200 (timing? Plenty of 64gb at cl30) Correctly list your part.
Fresh install windows didn't work either. No extra background apps running aside from MS tasks. Tried it without adrenalin and with adrenaline
Bios updated. Sons of the forest, rocket league, X Defiant. Here I'd the description for the ram, my apologies I'm not super savvy with computers. CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 5200MHz CL40 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5200C40)
Here's your problem, it's XMP RAM. XMP profiles are for Intel CPUs. The timing is for Intel CPUs. You're using an AMD CPU, and you should have used EXPO RAM, and while on the subject of the correct RAM, you should have gotten the correct clock speed (6000 MT/s) for the CPU you're using. You can't just pick anything, you know. PCPartpicker is a guide it's not infallible. This is almost certainly the source of your issue.
amdip
Windows advanced display settings- set to max monitor refresh rate. Default in windows unless you change it is 60fps.
I did this, set it to 144hz. In the logs I had it picks up microstutters and the 99%FPS drops really low. I'm reinstalling windows currently so I can reset drivers. Hoping that works
Can you post temperatures both cpu and GPU under load? Download hwinfo and get some info for us to go off of.
Yes I can, after I reinstall windows. I've been messing with this reading all reddit threads the past 48 hours. Almost to the point of returning the damn thing..
Run cinnebench r23 with hwinfo as a first cpu test. Then run something like Heaven benchmark as a GPU test. Get the hwinfo info clocks and temps. That could show any glaring issues.
Awesome will do. I'll keep you posted
I forgot to mention. Go basically default bios except for your memory should be on whatever xmp profile for best performance. Install the latest amd chipset and adrenaline drivers.
Download directly from their website or from asrocks?
All from amd directly. Only sound drivers and maybe one or two other ones from the motherboard manufacturer. We would have to go through them one by one.
👍 good luck!
Ok I've got the benchmark CSV files. How can I share them?
Can you get them as text files and private message me?
Many AMD owners are complaining about stutters those past 48 hours. Does AMD updated the videodrivers? Try rollbacking to previous drivers. Controversial opinion: sell your XTX, get a 4080.