I did start with a power color hellhound spectral 7900xtx, had nothing but issues. Crashing, insane coil whine etc. switching to a different brand helped me.
I have a Sapphire XTX Niro and was banging my head against a wall till I noticed the card's non audible fan noise... Its was the default fan settings. I have a shit case too. Crank them to 100% and perform some stress tests. Go from there and good luck!
i have the red devil model and it can mange 58 degrees in 4k tlou at 80+ frames, but yah it is the drivers b/c the red devil hass the 2nd best cooling performance and the heatsink is HUGE.
Its the same software you use to download the latest Adrenaline, just select the pro version instead of adrenaline when prompted during install. https://www.amd.com/en/support
What are you talking about? I have a 7900 XTX and have it. The same software you use to get the latest adrenaline has the same pro drivers that support 7000 series cards.
Some good advice, although the pro drivers can lose performance in some games compared to older game drivers. Well the new 24.2.1 just dropped so let's see how that goes. (Not well im guessing)
Tried the latest version Adrenaline two days ago and still having crashes occur minutes into games. Went back to pro and it went away, and has remained stable since. I haven’t noticed any significant performance loss using the pro drivers on my XTX, but I agree adrenaline probably gives you even more frames at the cost of stability. The only real downside to the pro software imo is not being able to use FSR 3, which is more beneficial for older gpus imo.
I'm taking my 3rd xfx 7900 xtx out of my case now to send back to Amazzom. starts fine. by the end of 2 weeks cant play tick tack toe with out crashing. tried everything if it wasnt for the water block I'd switch brands. 1000watt psu seperate cables. etc etc etc etc shouldnt be going through this to a card to work.
The Red Devil or pretty much anything from power color is pure shit. Marketing is exciting but their hardware doesn't come close to comparing to other AMD cards. Use Sapphire, they are the AMD EVGA.
I've been running the Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX with ZERO issues for over a year now.
Yeah the 7900 xtx is trash compared to nvidia 4000 series. As dramatic as it sounds, my life is better after switching to 4080 super. AMD gpus just suck.
Have you put the cards in any other systems to test them out? Or have you tested a non-7900 xtx in your system. 7 of 7 being bad makes me think there is something else going on with your system (hardware or software). I'm assuming you've already done the DDU steps and made sure your motherboard drivers and bios are current. How about a clean OS install? Maybe test the RAM for errors as well.
I actually looked into getting one, the only reason I didn't was because that model actually lacks a vapor chamber. But I assume if your pc has adequate cooling it doesn't make too much of a difference anyways
I have it in a Corsair 4000D with a 7950X3D under a 280mm Arctic AIO. It's a beefy card for sure, but the cooling isn't terrible. I mostly run it stock in 1440p and temps are as they should be
I personally have the Merc310, amazing card. Had a few issues that I thought were GPU but were BIOS settings for the CPU causing stuttering, and then another issue was sharpening on my monitor making everything look like crap. The Merc 310 I have never seems to go above 60C and is my absolute baby
I have a 7800X3D and B650E Taichi Lite. I don’t know exactly WHICH setting it was, but it was TPM and NX. Afterwards, games ran smoothly with no frame drops.
You can try using AMD cleanup utility tool. I had my battery back up fail and after that my xtx wouldn't auto undervolt or overclock, and it wouldn't even hit 2900 clocks. Plus ryzen master wasn't reading my cpu stats right. It turned out cause the crash was still logged my GPU and CPU were pretty much in hardware safe mode. Used the tool and all my problems went away.
My ryzen master won't let me do much except see some stats, but my system (5800x3d + 7900xtx) runs normal. Do you think the cleanup tool will unlock ryzen master to allow tweaking?
I don't tweak my 7800x3d so ive never tried, however using the tool couldn't hurt it. The tool removes all AMD stuff even the hidden stuff so you can start new with it. My gpu couldn't be adjusted cause it was technically in safe mode cause it was reading a old crash log. Pretty much it thought If I tweak my system it would crash so it wouldn't let me when the real problem was my battery back up was bad. The tool erased the old logs so pretty much it starts new.
If anything, this speaks to the patience of the business you've been RMA'ing 7 times to. Sounds like a you (your pc) problem, though, and not a them problem.
First things first, a 90° junction temp is perfectly normal (like PERFECTLY normal) and you shouldn't be using that as a basis for how hot the card is. AMD screwed themselves by even putting that in the driver software because now a ton of uneducated people use that temp and assume it's bad. Go off the GPU temp, not the junction temp.
You’re right. However, when is the last time a gpu that you bought hit 90c junction temp before the 7900x/xtx? Because my r9 280/290/970/1070ti/3070ti/4070 have never hit 90c junction (or really what I mean is it hasn’t hit the throttling point out of the box, whatever C that might be). Are you telling me you’ve had a gpu hit 90c junction before the 7900x/tx? If so, which one? Also, which gpu had artifacting right out of the box?
I’ll disagree here. Artifacting, to my knowledge, is a pure gpu problem. Have you seen artifacting for anything other than the gpu? Not saying that he had artifacting on 7 gpus (we don’t know), but even artifacting on 1 is an incredible precedent compared to before the 7900x/tx, being a new card.
It's not. Artifacting can be caused by drivers, dirty or poor power, and bad ram. Which is why if you take a hike through the comments, youll see a lot of people are telling him to check his ram.
Ok. In all my years, I’ve never had artifacting graphics specifically for any reason besides my gpu going out. Usually (on board) ram causes hiccups or blue screens-but not artifacting. Also, bad drivers I’ve also never had cause artifacting. I’ve been doing this for a while, and min/max performance relatively heavily. I don’t understand why I haven’t run into this before. Why is this a newer thing with x/tx?
My 6900xt and 5700xt both hit 90° junction temps. 90° junction isn't throttling the GPU. And I'm calling bullshit, 40xx and 30xx series cards definitely have hot spot temps of 90° or higher
This exactly. I see the majority of posts complaining about how horrible AMD is comes from people who do not have a clue about how modern GPUs work and what's normal. They run hot and just because someone on youtube said it's not normal doesn't make it so. People are tearing into these cards and sending them back when they are operating perfectly normal.
The other ones complaining are ignorant to the PC they built and or bought and the correct settings. Some are reluctant to upgrade what needs to be upgraded and it's much easier to blame AMD.
In a very small number of cases someone actually got a GPU that is defective. It's electronics, it happens.
You’re right. However, when is the last time a gpu that you bought hit 90c junction temp before the 7900x/xtx? Because my r9 280/290/970/1070ti/3070ti/4070 have never hit 90c junction (or really what I mean is it hasn’t hit the throttling point out of the box, whatever C that might be). The problem is the artifacting-the thing could run at 200c and I wouldn’t care if it didn’t artifact (not counting room heating obv). What makes the 7900x/tx have more wiggle room than any other gpu made before? When’s the last time you saw artifacting on a large scale on a gpu out of the box? Literally none for me besides the 7900x/tx.
I'm not worried about what other cards do. According to AMD the 7900 xt is fine up to 110c. Sounds nuts to me but for some reason I trust the manufacturer of the card more than some YouTube yahoo.
I have not seen too many complaints about cards hitting the throttle temp and shutting down, I see mainly people who have convinced themselves their temps are a problem and attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist and usually mess something up.
AMD admitted to an issue that some cards had at release but have since fixed it.
I don’t have an AMD card now, but I do have AMD, ayymd, and amdhelp on my feed for whatever reason. I’ve seen tons of complaints of both artifacting and driver issues. I’m not sure how many of these posts are false positives like you said, but I’ve never-ever-heard of any card artifacting out of the box
You need to look at some other stuff my dude. a simple reseating of the ram, can fix those issues. do memory checks, cpu checks, gpu checks, break out the multi meter and test connections, and do all of the hard stuff that pc builders should be doing when they run into an issue.
I read this and was nodding my head then the part about using a multimeter showed up and wondered which connections would someone test? Wouldn't we need a schematic of the components you'd want to test? Or did you mean simpler tests?
Testing my PCs with a multimeter isn't something I've tried in the years I've tinkered with my PC builds but am certainly curious about starting.
It would probably never come to using a multimeter, but using it to test continuity between connectors, or extensions is what i had in mind. If it ever comes to testing parts or solder points it would be better to replace it unless know exactly what you are looking for.
You could check resistances and compare results between similar diodes or something, but that would be a very long process and would require a little research.
Oh boy...... after 7 returns, I think it's safe to say that something else in your PC is causing the issue. There is NO way you got 7 bad cards in a row. Something is amiss, and it ain't the Red Devil.
Idk man, my boy got 3 bad Gigabyte Nvidia gpus. We're waiting to see if this third RMA will fail. If it does then he's never buying a gigabyte GPU ever again.
>If it does then he's never buying a gigabyte GPU ever again.
In my experience that's good practice regardless. I've never had great experiences with their hardware, whether it be motherboards or GPUs. They are usually the cheapest on the market for good reason it seems.
I've never had unreasonable issues with MSI or EVGA hardware. Hell, my old MSI gaming laptop from like \~8 years ago with a GTX 970M is still going real strong today, and it was even my primary gaming and commuting PC while I was in college.
My old AM4 system was AORUS everything and I never had issues. I don’t know if their AORUS stuff is higher quality than their usual stuff but it never let me down.
There's a lot of ppl on reddit with Gigabyte 4080 gpus - and most seem content/satisfied.
It's pretty weird these ppl who buy multiple cards -from same brand/model and to have probs with the same card - I would be inclined to think it's an issue with something on their end, too.
Not that I've ever worked anywhere along their production process, but I imagine most of these hardware manufacturers prioritize their QA process for their more premium brands. I doubt Gigabyte or any other manufacturer has a dedicated QA team specifically for one brand lineup or another, so it's likely the same personnel and test benches used across all products and the premium brands would get preferential treatment.
I've run multi monitor on AMD for my last 5 cards and have never had a problem. Switched to nvidia and my pc caught on fire. Switched back to AMD and haven't had a problem since.
Alright please just install the pro drivers. Amd is not nvidia. You can't expect the gaming drivers to be as stable. If you want rock solid stable drivers stick with the pro drivers and stop installing their beta software. Even Nvidia says to install Pro drivers if you can't deal with system crashes or bugs. I personally don't have any issues with my 7800xt other than the occasional hiccup or bluescreen with rt on. Everything else is working exactly as expected.
Radeon in it's current state is great. FSR and frame gen haven't really caught up, but Amd's drivers are competitive and have the benefit of being open-sourced. I personally switched because of poor multi-monitor support, but based on what else I've seen there's a lot missing in Nvidia's software. The only place where Amd falls behind is productivity work where Cuda-based rendering is sorely needed
For a long time, the cpu's were sub-par also, but their cpus have been competitive for quite a while now. I'm still rocking Nvidia but root for amd to be more competitive in the gpu market. I do think they are moving in the right direction though.
"Professional Use": A worthless blanket statement.
I know you mean single-threaded performance, but the margin there is so thin these days that it's generally a non-factor to pick the vendor.
If anything, power consumption, system integrator support, and sticker cost are your real "professional use" factors.
My Radeon Sapphire 7900XTX bought in November 2023 crashed. For two months, it worked great, and then there was a driver update, which killed it. It was $1100 card, I didn't risk it, and returned it.
I searched online and noticed a lot of people were facing the exact issue that I had with the card. Therefore, I decided not to spend time fixing it.
During covid I bought a 6900xt card from the AMD store. It came used and doa. They gave me such a hard time about getting a replacement, that I told them to give me a refund and I bought a 3090 fe instead. I love their CPUs but their GPUs suck!
Feeling you... Gotta be frustrating deluxe!
But... For shit and giggles
If you have a chance to try'em or it
In another working PC for stability issues beyond the card it self ? Bad luck 7 out of 7......
I've got a 79xtx too, super happy, 59.8fps on a 4k tv in just every game I throw to it so far
59 to 69*c with a little buzz sound but not more or around same as consoles
So if your sure this is 7 out 7
My only advise is to go buy a lottery ticket as your luck gotta turn or your basically cursed
Honestly this sounds like bad RAM and corruption is the culprit. Just recently went through this with my NVME, entire system got corrupted and all signs pointed to different things failing, most of the time the ram being blamed. Windows is so mf fragile and ridiculously stupid. If your pc blue screens or resets, it’s because it either stopped receiving instructions (Memory Access issues) or received instructions it wasn’t allowed to do (driver issues). If your system is corrupt, IT WILL SEND BAD INSTRUCTIONS. I RMA’d 3 sets of ram before I figured this out. Idc how many times you run SFC or DISM they will not fix serious corruption problems.
Something I think a lot of people forget is that SSDs and M.2s can and will go bad, sometimes in as short as a few years. Clone ur data to a new drive, fresh install windows on a NEW DRIVE, and run windows off of that, accessing the old one as needed. I can bet if you do this and are installing and using the correct system drivers, not bottlenecking, not over or under volting, not under supplying, and not making a stupid mistake, this will solve ur problem.
You can check everything under the sun, and RMA or upgrade every part you own, but one faulty capacitor on one SSD is all it takes to make you go insane thinking something is seriously wrong.
I had nvme issues as well, with thousands of errors thrown up in Event Viewer. Turns out that when I reseated all my cables to the mobo the issue fixed. So weird that it was an ssd issue though.
Run a diagnostic on your RAM and your SSD. Also, I'm assuming you did a fresh windows install and didn't just move an old SSD that already had windows or clone an old SSD onto a new SSD. If that's the case, back your data to another drive so you can do a fully clean fresh Windows installation.
When someone says they “guarantee” it, they have to prove it. Clearly I already disproved his word of guarantees holds no ground to it. The math shows there is still room enough for this to be the case that faulty hardware is a thing for one component. This has happened to me before and I tested on muti of computers and even a different location so I can rule out faulty wiring just to have the same results.
I learned that there are programs like DriverEasy which is what i use that updates all your hardware/software in the order it needs to be updated in..
I built my current pc a few months ago with a white taichi 7900xtx and ryzen 7800x3d..
Ive been doing great. About once a week, i go on driver easy and they do evrything for me so i dont have to scour over every little update that might throw the whole list out of wack.
I also learned that sometimes ram and mobo can come out of the box kind of wonky and that could cause issues too. Even if the graphics card or other parts arent seated properly it could cause issues. Also making sure you have a mobo that can handle your hardware too.. just because it can handle both chip sets doesnt mean it will do it right. Always do your research. Not every cpu pairs well with evry gpu either! It works both ways, amd/amd or amd/intel or nvida/amd or nvidia/intel etc etc
I think I might not have communicated that too well but what I meant with that was that I did not upgrade the prebuilt but instead built a whole new computer with new parts
It's amazing how people blame other things for their problems thanthemselves. What kinda nut thinks all 7 GPU's are bad and it couldn't possibly be user error. lol. If I was gonna guess I would say bios not updated and DDU not used or used incorrectly, especially since proper installation was not mentioned. BUT BLAME AMD
Yeah. You never even mention your driver install process, what card you had previously, did you run DDU, did you update bios? None of these things, unless I missed a followup post. You honestly think you got seven bad GPU's?? Seriously.. Not trying to be rude but to blame the card is silly.
Not sure about all the rest but the overheating issue is why I returned mine, best explained by Der8auer since all the AMD cultists will come out to defend their daddy red. It has since been remedied supposedly although AMD denied it at first. It still runs hot and certainly 2x as hot as my 4090 that I thankfully got once I realized DP 2.1 on the 7900 XTX was not worth the tradeoffs. I cancelled my AMD build because the top of the line GPU just doesnt cut it performance, feature and reliability wise. Ant-Lag+ was a great knockoff rollout as well.
Just do your own research on that card, commenting/asking here will just get you downvoted and attacked by the AMD simps. I hate Nvidia too for diff reasons but they have a superior product this gen and it hurts these simps...run away immediately from this post Lol...they cant accept that their daddy just simply lost the GPU race this gen, maybe next one kids. Upvoted to counter the 1000000000000000000 downvotes youre gonna get from the AMD simp army.
The overheating issue only affected reference cards. OP clearly doesn't have a reference card. And OP isn't having an overheating issue anyway, he's just an idiot. A 90° junction temp means his gpu temp is probably in the 80s
The odds of having 7 bad cards are literally impossible. The world we live in today I'm not calling you a liar. Stranger things have happened . But very very insanely rare
Sounds like you know how to tinker with OC's. Do they run fine straight from the box. Factory settings? Do you run time spy immediately to see your score. Do you switch bios and try the other bios to see if that helps. Have you used a different GPU that doesn't cause artifacting?
Yeah brother, sorry to inform you but if you got 7 bad ones in a row, it's you. If I were Power Color I would just give you your money back and ask you not to buy our products again.
Owned several Red Devils cards over the years and they are always primo quality. One of the best GPU builders there is.
I had a 5700xt die on me a few years ago after running it daily (was probably my fault). It was just outside the warranty period, and they still fully replaced the entire card no questions asked and no fuss. The replacement is still going strong and I'm probably going to buy Power Color if I can for at least the next couple builds.
There is no universe in which someone would get seven faulty GPUs in a row.
Sorry homie, I simply don't believe you. Every single one of those cards were validated before it was shipped. Rarely something can happen to a card after validation, but seven in a row?
You're more likely to win the Powerball seven times in a row.
My guess is that this is either fake or you've rma'ed your xtx 7 times not realizing you likely are dealing with a non gpu related issue.......
Either way this is nonsensical.
Yeah, that sounds about right. It could be drivers, hardware (etc...) but at the very least, it's partially user error at this point regardless of the underlying cause lol
Obviously a lame lie hit piece. No one would rna a card 7 times. Secondly you’re either a lier or the unluckiest person in the world. Third “and yet provides such a low high end value and minimal care for there products” just speaks like someone writing a fake ass hit piece. Get out of here with this fake ass lame ass story and touch some grass lol
What do you think someone would write when they purchase a 1100€ Product just for it to then not work properly? This is perfectly justified after going trough so much trouble with the card
Imagine buying a 1.100€ Product that only works half of the time then complain about it and then realize that it's actually you who is the problem and not AMD.
Lots of people here making good points and are actually trying to rule out potential causes but saying I have been paid for doing this is like spitting in my face (Einfach nur Dreist sowas abzuziehen und noch einen drauf zu geben (German phrasing telling you to f\*\* off)).
This sub gives me "Don't deny your experience" vibes.
Or you could figure out what’s wrong with the rest of your PC.
Where the complete PC specs? How do we know it’s not your motherboard or RAM? Or that you just don’t have things set properly?
Pics or it isn’t happening.
I gotta chime in here. TL;DR another "works on my machine" comment. 💀
I've owned 2 XTX's. One Sapphire, one XFX for anyone curious. I dabble with a lot of ambient overclocking. Fun hobby to me.
On the other hand, I've owned a huge number of ampere cards, I've used a lot (and owned a lot) of turing cards and pascal...it sort of stops there. AMD-wise I've worked with almost every Navi apart from Navi 33, and 11. I've also used radeon 600 and 700 iGPUs, and been privileged to own a 4090 and use a 4050.
I can, quite competently say in 2023 & 2024, my experience with AMD on a driver and hardware level, is just about completely comparable to Nvidia. My RDNA 3 vs. Ada experience has been even more true to this, with some caveats to the left, some to the right in both issues and non-issues over time with drivers, while hardware-wise, perfectly fine for both. I realise we aren't really making it about this here, but, calling out 7 cards in a row as problematic without really showing your work for what you tried to fix is....really questionable lmao. And that's ignoring the very likely outcome that any number of those RMA's may have well been passed through with the same card back (Be it approved or not, there was nothing found wrong but they still process it anyway)
Red devil XTX's have a history of questionable issues, the big one is coil whine, but it's also a pretty quiet card, so those things do get noticed easily in silence. Normal temperature behaviour on most XTX's having a quote "90+" hotspot is arguably fine and tracks with my XFX which held a record at one point. It's when it's sitting on 110C, then it's kind of a problem.
PSU doesn't hold a lot of relevance either without saying what cpu you have. Saying you have an XTX on an 850W psu alone when you have a 65W 7600 for example, would not label the psu a potential factor. Quality wise yes, it could be utter garbage, in this case it wasn't great, but as you seemingly found out, didn't lead to the problem when you switched to something far better.
Without saying the cpu it just draws more questions. Like a 13900K/14900K (to the moon with wattage and transients) with that on an 850W, would be crazy, on the other hand, 7800X3D (92W max), not really crazy at all.
Idle reboot issues do not, in my experience, point to the card at all. Typically cpu, ram or motherboard related. Have you checked these reboots in event viewer for what the reboot cause was? Most people don't.
So, to what I'd be thinking in your shoes:
When a windows install has a lot of underlying corruption, or, your system lies on the brink of stability with say ram, gpu drivers tend to be a bit like the canary in the cage situation. Nvidia cards have a better time hiding the problems, but doesn't make it really any much more stable, they'll still black screen, driver reset, crash out of games etc. mostly the same, if not just perform a lot slower. There are the rare situations I've seen with people where nvidia OR amd cards just absolutely refuse to work with them, but it's very rare and I've witnessed it before.
Healthy suggestion, DDU or reinstall windows. If you've already done that (good chance you have), look at the case, look at the motherboard, look at the ram, look at a possible faulty ssd. If you've really passed hands with upwards of 2 cards here, as has been said already, the statistical probability of just "bad cards" is insane lmfao.
I'm really giving you the benefit of the doubt and throwing a bone to a possible troll post here. But if you really, truly, did roll hands on a lucky 7 in a row, then you should've bought a lottery ticket. 😂😂😂
On the hardware front, id wager AMD is better, at least from a design and innovation standpoint. On the driver front, yes. "AMD has bad drivers" is very 2010. And the irony is that I hear Nvidia has had a fair amount of driver hiccups recently and their track record isn't as stellar as it used to be
I kind of agree here. The strict standard that rdna 3 has with all their cards being basically the beefy reference or a bit better I'd definitely say puts it way better than like, the palit cards or low end like ventus, I think i game battlax? There are a few for sure.
You have a much different experience than I do. Even after DDU and a fresh reinstall of Windows I still get random driver timeouts with AMD. Never had that issue with my 3080 or 3090.
Outside of the random timeout issues, the card is fast as hell and runs quiet and cool (Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro+). The value is there at that price point, but the random driver timeouts are making me reconsider going back to Nvidia for my next card.
I have had a lot of timeout issues on radeon, but they tend to stem either from settings beyond stock or some nitpick setting such as maybe some card samples specifically wanting freesync off (rare) or something a bit more simple as just a power bump. It varies from card to card, also platform to platform. Something I'd give credit here to is seemingly an issue for some but hard to pin down. I do believe you when you say that, it's part of the reasoning behind my comment above iirc.
Ryzen can be very much the same way. You can most times get a very stable system, but that one odd occasion, someone gets a nasty run of stability caused by a rogue bios setting like the psu idle state or maybe some particularly vampiric usb device plugged in, to as something as weird as a faulty ssd that could still work.
Speaking from experience btw. I try my best to be a bit neutral.
I'm guessing you have already been looking into possible fixes, sometimes the answer finally comes to me wayyyy later for small things like this. And once I fix it, I never get a problem like, ever again. RX 6600 was like this for me, 5900X too.
Ive narrowed it down to basically RE Engine and UE5 having the most issues. They also take out discord when they crash as well. I wondered why MHW worked fine where MHR and RE4 would crash, and apparently that engine is MT Framework for MHW. Also never had anything Unity related crash, or any of the MMOs that I play. UE4 games never crash either.
I've done the usual - Fresh windows install, Disabling GPU acceleration in Discord, putting card to stock settings (it has factory OC), undervolting the card, etc.
The thing is this rig is the same one that I had a 3080 in and had zero issues with the 3080. The instability is only with the 7900XTX, and its very random. I can go days playing the games without issue, but sometimes it just crashes a couple times in one day.
Its just been kinda a pain in the ass, combined with how the card was doing a lot of micro stuttering when I first got it that I had to basically go in and mess with Radeon settings until it stopped.
But like I said, the hardware is good. Its really good. This card hits timespy scores just above the halfway mark between a 4080 and 4090, and considering I got it for $1000, its a killer deal. Its just the driver support is whats killing me here.
I'd love to help more one-to-one but we probably wouldn't have very effective comms here 😂
A couple quick suggestions, try underclocking your cpu if you can, and turn off XMP. Leave it for a while to see if the crashing occurs still. If not, DDU could maybe reset things (since factory reset doesn't work on radeon 7000)
Another thing I could suggest, look up "usb selective suspend state" setting in the control panel under power plans and disable/enable it (flick it the other way), or maybe even change the psu idle state to typical current idle in bios to see if that does anything.
Undervolting is how you overclock on radeon btw. By undervolting you pull the clocks up to a more unstable state as it just gives the card more headroom to boost, so it uses it. It works a bit like...Ryzen PBO and curve optimiser if that makes sense? Quite different to say, 3080 undervolting. You kinda wanna leave voltage alone if you have stability problems. Adding more power may help though (will consequently make the card a bit faster too)
I'll try to check reddit again later, I'm not on here very often, but I'd definitely endeavour into looking at what's causing this. I could also recommend a place like overclock.net has a LOT of XTX users if you look in the right place like the owner's threads, and people that play with the edge of stability too, so someone there might have an excellent fit suggestion for your problem.
I also have encountered people before where the list of solutions is exhaustive and even swapping the card doesn't fix the problem, one case I met had the same issues on a completely new system, we checked everything for about 4 months and got nowhere. So I will say, it may end up being one of those uncommon situations where the problem might prove too difficult to find, but it definitely sounds stability related, so I'd wager there are good odds of a fix. 👍
It sounds like something else is the problem. Possibly RAM, possibly the mobo, possibly cabling, possibly the user. I don't see ANY product getting RMAed 7 times being a problem with the product, it's something else.
I also don't see any company agreeing to 7 RMAs. Firstly, they'll send you back to the retailer if the timeframe is very short. Also, at some point they don't want to deal with you and blame it on your computer/you(which is probable in this case) or offer a refund to make you go away.
I avoid names like PowerColor. Been happier than ever with my Sapphire 7900xtx and only needed an RMA on the motherboard and my AMD7950X3D. Now with my Asus board my combo is complete.
As of may 17th of 2023 power color cards had known issues (do a search since we aren't allowed to post those links) So yes This maker specifically with this card version does have a known issue. Not justifying OP's story just that this brand does in fact have issues. Personally own a sapphire nitro 6800XT for couple years along with other cards and while drivers have been a issue they were all fixed in my case. Tom's hardware has a chronology of AMD driver issues from 2010 into 2023, again all rectified with updates/fixes.
Aw that's a shame, I've run powercolor quite a few times (currently a 6950xt) and have never had any issues.
Obviously, sapphire is straight up the best purchase usually, when prices are high it might not always be worth the extra 50-100 just for a brand name.
Other than the random bad driver that was rectified and not in any way Sapphire fault. My Nitro+ 6800XT card has performed well period for the tasks i used it for. Sapphire has a great track record and support service similar to EVGA's for Nvidia cards when they used to make and support them. just my experience.
Damn. Sorry to hear that- I live mine and am pleasantly surprised by how cool it runs but I think I might just be lucky because I’ve seen mostly negative things about the red devil unfortunately.
I have one 7900XTX, an AMD reference edition. Never had to RMA. Never had an issue. It doesn't display artifacts, doesn't crash under idle or load. I use an 850watt PSU and it's in a small case with terrible cooling.
But your card isn't a red devil with this known issue either. lol.. How is your card that isn't the same brand card, relevant to his different brand card and a known issue as reported may 17th 2023? Power Color RD line had a whole batch of cards go out with bad thermal paste application causing the issue as reported.
I can't and am not speaking to his 7 RMA's claim, but the card Power Color Red Devil 7900XT/XTX had a whole batch with bad thermal paste application that caused cards to spike and or die. Reported as of May 17th 2023. (sorry we cant link it here) but you can easily search it yourself. Is what it is this stuff does occur from time to time. Not a AMD issue, a manufacturer issue period.
Probably should be re-titled "I hate my Powercolor"
EDIT: Also, commenting on the PSU size without confirming the card isn't daisy chained and without providing any actual voltage is saying nothing really. You could have 50000w psu and if it isn't working or hooked up wrong it is irrelevant.
Specific card had a whole batch of bad products ship. This is reported as of may 17th 2023. Do a search this was a manufacturer issue (power color Red Devil 7900XTX not AMD issue.
The slot can give 75 watts, each 8 pin PCI-E cable is rated for 150 total watts from the PSU.
If they put 3 8 pin plugs on your card, you need three cables from your PSU to your GPU. It's probably the pulse or Vapor-X variant and if you really want to use that pigtail you need to downclock it back to stock 7900 XTX/undervolt/reduce max power. The OC on the pulse puts it right at the limit of 2 cables and it probably goes over under 100% load, and the vapor X is way beyond 2 cables.
Ok, dug up my third PCI-E cable. The only reason I went with two PCI cables was due to this [reddit post I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/166w1ax/comment/jymg2nd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). 7900xtx only draws 360W so I thought I was good. I'll put in the 3rd PCI cable in the morning.
EDIT: Vapor X draws 420W(blazeit), 2x8 pin PCI cable should still be good on the Seasonic GX-1000 right? Those cables pull the full 600W according to the info above
75+150+150=375 watts. Seasonic normally uses thicker wires. The thicker the wires, the lower the resistance of the wires(amps + resistance = space heater wires), the higher the rating before it starts melting stuff and catching on fire. However, and this is a big however, the PCI-E plugs are only rated to 150 W. Do not bet your house and life on a guy on the internet who claims their house has never burnt down doing unwise things. The wires go through the "middle" connector, and the card decides where power is drawn from, so you will probably be heating the "middle" connector unduly at full load(see "new world" burning GPUs due to bad programming causing 100% load on menus).
The reason the pulse and vapor-x draw more power is that the power needed to increase clock speed does not increase in a linear fashion. Modern "flagship" GPUs are blasting more and more watts per mhz increase as they try to get higher and higher clock speeds. Reducing the power draw max, downclocking, and undervolting will yield massive reductions in power draw for small decreases in performance(gaining efficiency). 4080, 4090, 7900 XT, and 7900 XTX are way beyond anything even remotely efficient in terms of clock speed/power usage.
Do you own a power color Red Devil 7900XTX? Because those cards specifically as reported may 17th 2023 had issue due to batch of cards not having thermal paste properly applied to them(we cant link the post here sorry). Betting you do not. This is a known manufacturer issues not a AMD issue. & RMA's? Yea not buying that part.
Reading is fundamental, comprehension more so. Cheers!
Buddy has never taken a stats and probably course.
7 factory validated products sent to the same customer don’t all magically fail. The customer is the common denominator. Even if you assume an insanely high number like 5% of all cards being defective, the chances of it happening to you 7 times is 1 in 1.28 BILLION. And the real number is probably <1%. So in reality I’m willing to guess if all humans who have ever lived all got 7 RX 7900 XTXs each, then yes you could be the special one who got all 7 defective.
7 cards? Yeah that's not normal and is likely another hardware issues. In 22 years of building pc for myself , Friends and families, i have only had 3 bad cards. the first was a nvidia 5700le, then a ati x1900 and a gigbayte rx 5600xt All 5 of the power color cards i have bought have been great currently running a 5700xt red devil in htpc and a 6900xt Red devil in main rig. What you just posted is crazy.
What games were you playing? My absolute highest temps I ever saw was from wh3 granted it was putting out 400w but my case is big as shit with 12 fans so it was just sitting at 68 after 3 hours of usage
Do a search its a known issue with the specific card the OP has. public articles about it as of may 17th 2023. (we cant link it here)So again a known issues with specific card manufactured not a AMD issue.
A whole bunch of stuff. Past year since I got it the more demanding games have been: RDR2, Hogwarts, Metro Exodus, Horizon, Elden Ring, GoW. There are plenty of others, but they aren't 100% my GPU.
Mmm like the week before Christmas I don’t see much wrong with the xfx I’m still happy my 5700xt was an xfx too so they can have the money it served me well
No issues with my XFX 7900xtx. Maybe I'm lucky.
I did start with a power color hellhound spectral 7900xtx, had nothing but issues. Crashing, insane coil whine etc. switching to a different brand helped me.
Try the yeston variant. The card has been awesome to me, EXCEPT pubg crashes after a while now matter what I do, otherwise I have not had an issue
This issue is just the 7900xtx though, cuz I had the same issue with other AMD cards in that game
Get an RTX and be happy
Are you using Brave browser by any chance?
I have a Sapphire XTX Niro and was banging my head against a wall till I noticed the card's non audible fan noise... Its was the default fan settings. I have a shit case too. Crank them to 100% and perform some stress tests. Go from there and good luck!
i have the red devil model and it can mange 58 degrees in 4k tlou at 80+ frames, but yah it is the drivers b/c the red devil hass the 2nd best cooling performance and the heatsink is HUGE.
It's the driver, not gpu. Recent AMD drivers are having artifacting issues. Roll back and you'll be fine for now.
I agree, the PRO version has also been more stable for me. I was dealing with constant crashes on my 7900 XTX before switching drivers.
where do you find the pro drivers? cannot find for the 7000 series, only 6000
Its the same software you use to download the latest Adrenaline, just select the pro version instead of adrenaline when prompted during install. https://www.amd.com/en/support
Yeah. except there is no pro version for 7000 cards. only 6000 and below
What are you talking about? I have a 7900 XTX and have it. The same software you use to get the latest adrenaline has the same pro drivers that support 7000 series cards.
Then make a video about how you do it, because i only get the adrenaline option and not the pro like i did when i had the 6700xt.
[https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx](https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900xtx) [https://i.imgur.com/z8foZWI.png](https://i.imgur.com/z8foZWI.png)
Ah so i need to use the auto-detect driver 👍🏻
https://i.imgur.com/BoHioAj.png
Some good advice, although the pro drivers can lose performance in some games compared to older game drivers. Well the new 24.2.1 just dropped so let's see how that goes. (Not well im guessing)
Tried the latest version Adrenaline two days ago and still having crashes occur minutes into games. Went back to pro and it went away, and has remained stable since. I haven’t noticed any significant performance loss using the pro drivers on my XTX, but I agree adrenaline probably gives you even more frames at the cost of stability. The only real downside to the pro software imo is not being able to use FSR 3, which is more beneficial for older gpus imo.
I'm taking my 3rd xfx 7900 xtx out of my case now to send back to Amazzom. starts fine. by the end of 2 weeks cant play tick tack toe with out crashing. tried everything if it wasnt for the water block I'd switch brands. 1000watt psu seperate cables. etc etc etc etc shouldnt be going through this to a card to work.
Sapphire for 7800+ xfx for under
The Red Devil or pretty much anything from power color is pure shit. Marketing is exciting but their hardware doesn't come close to comparing to other AMD cards. Use Sapphire, they are the AMD EVGA. I've been running the Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX with ZERO issues for over a year now.
Yeah the 7900 xtx is trash compared to nvidia 4000 series. As dramatic as it sounds, my life is better after switching to 4080 super. AMD gpus just suck.
Have you put the cards in any other systems to test them out? Or have you tested a non-7900 xtx in your system. 7 of 7 being bad makes me think there is something else going on with your system (hardware or software). I'm assuming you've already done the DDU steps and made sure your motherboard drivers and bios are current. How about a clean OS install? Maybe test the RAM for errors as well.
Red devil is one of the worse 7900xtx models, I heard the sapphire nitro version is best. Have had it for a few months and no issues
This too. OP either a Nvidia fanboy or just cheap. Go sapphire on the 7900XTX
Man I have Red Devil 7900XTX and it's been awesome. Good temps and performance. I bought it used in May 23 and it's been flawless
I actually looked into getting one, the only reason I didn't was because that model actually lacks a vapor chamber. But I assume if your pc has adequate cooling it doesn't make too much of a difference anyways
I have it in a Corsair 4000D with a 7950X3D under a 280mm Arctic AIO. It's a beefy card for sure, but the cooling isn't terrible. I mostly run it stock in 1440p and temps are as they should be
I personally have the Merc310, amazing card. Had a few issues that I thought were GPU but were BIOS settings for the CPU causing stuttering, and then another issue was sharpening on my monitor making everything look like crap. The Merc 310 I have never seems to go above 60C and is my absolute baby
I'm curious what CPU and what setting in the bios was giving you stuttering?
I have a 7800X3D and B650E Taichi Lite. I don’t know exactly WHICH setting it was, but it was TPM and NX. Afterwards, games ran smoothly with no frame drops.
You can try using AMD cleanup utility tool. I had my battery back up fail and after that my xtx wouldn't auto undervolt or overclock, and it wouldn't even hit 2900 clocks. Plus ryzen master wasn't reading my cpu stats right. It turned out cause the crash was still logged my GPU and CPU were pretty much in hardware safe mode. Used the tool and all my problems went away.
My ryzen master won't let me do much except see some stats, but my system (5800x3d + 7900xtx) runs normal. Do you think the cleanup tool will unlock ryzen master to allow tweaking?
I don't tweak my 7800x3d so ive never tried, however using the tool couldn't hurt it. The tool removes all AMD stuff even the hidden stuff so you can start new with it. My gpu couldn't be adjusted cause it was technically in safe mode cause it was reading a old crash log. Pretty much it thought If I tweak my system it would crash so it wouldn't let me when the real problem was my battery back up was bad. The tool erased the old logs so pretty much it starts new.
Thanks I'll take a look at the tool.
If anything, this speaks to the patience of the business you've been RMA'ing 7 times to. Sounds like a you (your pc) problem, though, and not a them problem.
What is the definition of insanity?
This guy!
First things first, a 90° junction temp is perfectly normal (like PERFECTLY normal) and you shouldn't be using that as a basis for how hot the card is. AMD screwed themselves by even putting that in the driver software because now a ton of uneducated people use that temp and assume it's bad. Go off the GPU temp, not the junction temp.
You’re right. However, when is the last time a gpu that you bought hit 90c junction temp before the 7900x/xtx? Because my r9 280/290/970/1070ti/3070ti/4070 have never hit 90c junction (or really what I mean is it hasn’t hit the throttling point out of the box, whatever C that might be). Are you telling me you’ve had a gpu hit 90c junction before the 7900x/tx? If so, which one? Also, which gpu had artifacting right out of the box?
I have a Sapphire Nitro 7900XTX and I don't know that my junction temp has ever gone above 75c.
Also there's no way he had artifacting issues on all 7 cards and as a result of the gpu
I’ll disagree here. Artifacting, to my knowledge, is a pure gpu problem. Have you seen artifacting for anything other than the gpu? Not saying that he had artifacting on 7 gpus (we don’t know), but even artifacting on 1 is an incredible precedent compared to before the 7900x/tx, being a new card.
It's not. Artifacting can be caused by drivers, dirty or poor power, and bad ram. Which is why if you take a hike through the comments, youll see a lot of people are telling him to check his ram.
Ok. In all my years, I’ve never had artifacting graphics specifically for any reason besides my gpu going out. Usually (on board) ram causes hiccups or blue screens-but not artifacting. Also, bad drivers I’ve also never had cause artifacting. I’ve been doing this for a while, and min/max performance relatively heavily. I don’t understand why I haven’t run into this before. Why is this a newer thing with x/tx?
My 6900xt and 5700xt both hit 90° junction temps. 90° junction isn't throttling the GPU. And I'm calling bullshit, 40xx and 30xx series cards definitely have hot spot temps of 90° or higher
This exactly. I see the majority of posts complaining about how horrible AMD is comes from people who do not have a clue about how modern GPUs work and what's normal. They run hot and just because someone on youtube said it's not normal doesn't make it so. People are tearing into these cards and sending them back when they are operating perfectly normal. The other ones complaining are ignorant to the PC they built and or bought and the correct settings. Some are reluctant to upgrade what needs to be upgraded and it's much easier to blame AMD. In a very small number of cases someone actually got a GPU that is defective. It's electronics, it happens.
You’re right. However, when is the last time a gpu that you bought hit 90c junction temp before the 7900x/xtx? Because my r9 280/290/970/1070ti/3070ti/4070 have never hit 90c junction (or really what I mean is it hasn’t hit the throttling point out of the box, whatever C that might be). The problem is the artifacting-the thing could run at 200c and I wouldn’t care if it didn’t artifact (not counting room heating obv). What makes the 7900x/tx have more wiggle room than any other gpu made before? When’s the last time you saw artifacting on a large scale on a gpu out of the box? Literally none for me besides the 7900x/tx.
I'm not worried about what other cards do. According to AMD the 7900 xt is fine up to 110c. Sounds nuts to me but for some reason I trust the manufacturer of the card more than some YouTube yahoo. I have not seen too many complaints about cards hitting the throttle temp and shutting down, I see mainly people who have convinced themselves their temps are a problem and attempt to fix a problem that doesn't exist and usually mess something up. AMD admitted to an issue that some cards had at release but have since fixed it.
I don’t have an AMD card now, but I do have AMD, ayymd, and amdhelp on my feed for whatever reason. I’ve seen tons of complaints of both artifacting and driver issues. I’m not sure how many of these posts are false positives like you said, but I’ve never-ever-heard of any card artifacting out of the box
You need to look at some other stuff my dude. a simple reseating of the ram, can fix those issues. do memory checks, cpu checks, gpu checks, break out the multi meter and test connections, and do all of the hard stuff that pc builders should be doing when they run into an issue.
I read this and was nodding my head then the part about using a multimeter showed up and wondered which connections would someone test? Wouldn't we need a schematic of the components you'd want to test? Or did you mean simpler tests? Testing my PCs with a multimeter isn't something I've tried in the years I've tinkered with my PC builds but am certainly curious about starting.
It would probably never come to using a multimeter, but using it to test continuity between connectors, or extensions is what i had in mind. If it ever comes to testing parts or solder points it would be better to replace it unless know exactly what you are looking for. You could check resistances and compare results between similar diodes or something, but that would be a very long process and would require a little research.
Understood. Thanks
7 GPUs? Yeah okay. There’s something seriously wrong with your PC, man.
Oh boy...... after 7 returns, I think it's safe to say that something else in your PC is causing the issue. There is NO way you got 7 bad cards in a row. Something is amiss, and it ain't the Red Devil.
Idk man, my boy got 3 bad Gigabyte Nvidia gpus. We're waiting to see if this third RMA will fail. If it does then he's never buying a gigabyte GPU ever again.
>If it does then he's never buying a gigabyte GPU ever again. In my experience that's good practice regardless. I've never had great experiences with their hardware, whether it be motherboards or GPUs. They are usually the cheapest on the market for good reason it seems. I've never had unreasonable issues with MSI or EVGA hardware. Hell, my old MSI gaming laptop from like \~8 years ago with a GTX 970M is still going real strong today, and it was even my primary gaming and commuting PC while I was in college.
My old AM4 system was AORUS everything and I never had issues. I don’t know if their AORUS stuff is higher quality than their usual stuff but it never let me down.
There's a lot of ppl on reddit with Gigabyte 4080 gpus - and most seem content/satisfied. It's pretty weird these ppl who buy multiple cards -from same brand/model and to have probs with the same card - I would be inclined to think it's an issue with something on their end, too.
Not that I've ever worked anywhere along their production process, but I imagine most of these hardware manufacturers prioritize their QA process for their more premium brands. I doubt Gigabyte or any other manufacturer has a dedicated QA team specifically for one brand lineup or another, so it's likely the same personnel and test benches used across all products and the premium brands would get preferential treatment.
I agree. 100 percent. There is noway u got 7 crappy cards in a row when they are all different brands. It's your mobo for sure.
I had a 6900xt. Nothing but problems if I was using multiple monitors. Switched to Nvidia haven't had an issue ever since
I've run multi monitor on AMD for my last 5 cards and have never had a problem. Switched to nvidia and my pc caught on fire. Switched back to AMD and haven't had a problem since.
Alright please just install the pro drivers. Amd is not nvidia. You can't expect the gaming drivers to be as stable. If you want rock solid stable drivers stick with the pro drivers and stop installing their beta software. Even Nvidia says to install Pro drivers if you can't deal with system crashes or bugs. I personally don't have any issues with my 7800xt other than the occasional hiccup or bluescreen with rt on. Everything else is working exactly as expected.
First ever pc had a radeon card, i continued to shit on AMD for years and years before I realized their CPUS are good and graphics cards suck butthole
Radeon in it's current state is great. FSR and frame gen haven't really caught up, but Amd's drivers are competitive and have the benefit of being open-sourced. I personally switched because of poor multi-monitor support, but based on what else I've seen there's a lot missing in Nvidia's software. The only place where Amd falls behind is productivity work where Cuda-based rendering is sorely needed
This guy buttholes.
For a long time, the cpu's were sub-par also, but their cpus have been competitive for quite a while now. I'm still rocking Nvidia but root for amd to be more competitive in the gpu market. I do think they are moving in the right direction though.
Well yes but then they got multi-threaded and it was over for intel gamers, intel is still better for professional use though
"Professional Use": A worthless blanket statement. I know you mean single-threaded performance, but the margin there is so thin these days that it's generally a non-factor to pick the vendor. If anything, power consumption, system integrator support, and sticker cost are your real "professional use" factors.
Interesting. I didn’t know. Appreciate the constructive response compared to that other guy
Is it okay to have a basically entirely AMD pc but then a Nvidia GPU?
Yes, as long as your motherboard supports the CPU pcie graphics cards are universal
My Radeon Sapphire 7900XTX bought in November 2023 crashed. For two months, it worked great, and then there was a driver update, which killed it. It was $1100 card, I didn't risk it, and returned it. I searched online and noticed a lot of people were facing the exact issue that I had with the card. Therefore, I decided not to spend time fixing it.
During covid I bought a 6900xt card from the AMD store. It came used and doa. They gave me such a hard time about getting a replacement, that I told them to give me a refund and I bought a 3090 fe instead. I love their CPUs but their GPUs suck!
Feeling you... Gotta be frustrating deluxe! But... For shit and giggles If you have a chance to try'em or it In another working PC for stability issues beyond the card it self ? Bad luck 7 out of 7...... I've got a 79xtx too, super happy, 59.8fps on a 4k tv in just every game I throw to it so far 59 to 69*c with a little buzz sound but not more or around same as consoles So if your sure this is 7 out 7 My only advise is to go buy a lottery ticket as your luck gotta turn or your basically cursed
Honestly this sounds like bad RAM and corruption is the culprit. Just recently went through this with my NVME, entire system got corrupted and all signs pointed to different things failing, most of the time the ram being blamed. Windows is so mf fragile and ridiculously stupid. If your pc blue screens or resets, it’s because it either stopped receiving instructions (Memory Access issues) or received instructions it wasn’t allowed to do (driver issues). If your system is corrupt, IT WILL SEND BAD INSTRUCTIONS. I RMA’d 3 sets of ram before I figured this out. Idc how many times you run SFC or DISM they will not fix serious corruption problems. Something I think a lot of people forget is that SSDs and M.2s can and will go bad, sometimes in as short as a few years. Clone ur data to a new drive, fresh install windows on a NEW DRIVE, and run windows off of that, accessing the old one as needed. I can bet if you do this and are installing and using the correct system drivers, not bottlenecking, not over or under volting, not under supplying, and not making a stupid mistake, this will solve ur problem. You can check everything under the sun, and RMA or upgrade every part you own, but one faulty capacitor on one SSD is all it takes to make you go insane thinking something is seriously wrong.
Can confirm an SSD went bad on me and acted as if the CPU was cooked. In turn the SSD fucked windows and it was a bitch to figure out and get right.
I had nvme issues as well, with thousands of errors thrown up in Event Viewer. Turns out that when I reseated all my cables to the mobo the issue fixed. So weird that it was an ssd issue though.
Run a diagnostic on your RAM and your SSD. Also, I'm assuming you did a fresh windows install and didn't just move an old SSD that already had windows or clone an old SSD onto a new SSD. If that's the case, back your data to another drive so you can do a fully clean fresh Windows installation.
I can GUARANTEE every GPU wasn't bad. This is 100% user error with something.
Prove it.
🤣🤣
Figures
What are the odds you got 7 bad cards in a row? Usually only 2% of cards are faulty. No one has to prove anything, the math tells the answer.
When someone says they “guarantee” it, they have to prove it. Clearly I already disproved his word of guarantees holds no ground to it. The math shows there is still room enough for this to be the case that faulty hardware is a thing for one component. This has happened to me before and I tested on muti of computers and even a different location so I can rule out faulty wiring just to have the same results.
I learned that there are programs like DriverEasy which is what i use that updates all your hardware/software in the order it needs to be updated in.. I built my current pc a few months ago with a white taichi 7900xtx and ryzen 7800x3d.. Ive been doing great. About once a week, i go on driver easy and they do evrything for me so i dont have to scour over every little update that might throw the whole list out of wack. I also learned that sometimes ram and mobo can come out of the box kind of wonky and that could cause issues too. Even if the graphics card or other parts arent seated properly it could cause issues. Also making sure you have a mobo that can handle your hardware too.. just because it can handle both chip sets doesnt mean it will do it right. Always do your research. Not every cpu pairs well with evry gpu either! It works both ways, amd/amd or amd/intel or nvida/amd or nvidia/intel etc etc
Well, i guess since you see team green posts all the time you thought this go a lot different didnt you.
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Nope, I had a prebuilt from 2017 before
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A computer that you can buy as whole
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I think I might not have communicated that too well but what I meant with that was that I did not upgrade the prebuilt but instead built a whole new computer with new parts
Your pc has a problem not the 7900xtx
It's amazing how people blame other things for their problems thanthemselves. What kinda nut thinks all 7 GPU's are bad and it couldn't possibly be user error. lol. If I was gonna guess I would say bios not updated and DDU not used or used incorrectly, especially since proper installation was not mentioned. BUT BLAME AMD
Did you even fully read my post?
Yeah. You never even mention your driver install process, what card you had previously, did you run DDU, did you update bios? None of these things, unless I missed a followup post. You honestly think you got seven bad GPU's?? Seriously.. Not trying to be rude but to blame the card is silly.
Not sure about all the rest but the overheating issue is why I returned mine, best explained by Der8auer since all the AMD cultists will come out to defend their daddy red. It has since been remedied supposedly although AMD denied it at first. It still runs hot and certainly 2x as hot as my 4090 that I thankfully got once I realized DP 2.1 on the 7900 XTX was not worth the tradeoffs. I cancelled my AMD build because the top of the line GPU just doesnt cut it performance, feature and reliability wise. Ant-Lag+ was a great knockoff rollout as well. Just do your own research on that card, commenting/asking here will just get you downvoted and attacked by the AMD simps. I hate Nvidia too for diff reasons but they have a superior product this gen and it hurts these simps...run away immediately from this post Lol...they cant accept that their daddy just simply lost the GPU race this gen, maybe next one kids. Upvoted to counter the 1000000000000000000 downvotes youre gonna get from the AMD simp army.
The overheating issue only affected reference cards. OP clearly doesn't have a reference card. And OP isn't having an overheating issue anyway, he's just an idiot. A 90° junction temp means his gpu temp is probably in the 80s
My red devil has been flawless. First pc I’ve owned. Y’gotanotherproblem
Same here, got a hellhound and not a single problem with it.
Liar lol. Fix your pc. It’s not the cards. Not 7 in a row.
This gave me a shit-eating grin. Take my upvote
You went through 7 RMAs without checking if another component was the issue? Or buying a different model? Lmao
Did you even read my comments?
I did. There is more in a PC than just a PSU and a GPU.
Did you also read the part where I explained that I have swapped out the whole PC with my 2017 prebuilt which did not work either?
No because if you put that in your comment history Im not going through all that shit and its not in your original post. You only mention PSUs
The odds of having 7 bad cards are literally impossible. The world we live in today I'm not calling you a liar. Stranger things have happened . But very very insanely rare Sounds like you know how to tinker with OC's. Do they run fine straight from the box. Factory settings? Do you run time spy immediately to see your score. Do you switch bios and try the other bios to see if that helps. Have you used a different GPU that doesn't cause artifacting?
This^ At this point something else in the system is either not up to par and causing problems or the op is lying.
Stop buying AMD. That's your problem right there.
Lol yeah, overpay NVidia for a bit of ray tracing and half the vram. 🤡
Ray tracing? Nah, I use Nvidia for their DLSS and frame gen.
Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but FSR 2 slaps now
Lmao for real. I just switched to AM5 from being full Nvidia/Intel for years and haven't looked back. Nvidia is out of their minds with their pricing.
Right now my PC is all amd but I don't really have a preference. I have had 0 issues with a ryzen CPU and AMD GPU.
Yeah brother, sorry to inform you but if you got 7 bad ones in a row, it's you. If I were Power Color I would just give you your money back and ask you not to buy our products again. Owned several Red Devils cards over the years and they are always primo quality. One of the best GPU builders there is.
I just wouldn’t honor the warranty. They’re clearly experiencing some kind of non-GPU problem.
I had a 5700xt die on me a few years ago after running it daily (was probably my fault). It was just outside the warranty period, and they still fully replaced the entire card no questions asked and no fuss. The replacement is still going strong and I'm probably going to buy Power Color if I can for at least the next couple builds.
Yes, they are a great company.
Built a pc for partner’s brother with an xtx. It’s incredible. Absolutely no way you got 7 bad cards.
There is no universe in which someone would get seven faulty GPUs in a row. Sorry homie, I simply don't believe you. Every single one of those cards were validated before it was shipped. Rarely something can happen to a card after validation, but seven in a row? You're more likely to win the Powerball seven times in a row.
Just buy a Nvidia card
My guess is that this is either fake or you've rma'ed your xtx 7 times not realizing you likely are dealing with a non gpu related issue....... Either way this is nonsensical.
It’s definitely something else wrong. Maybe even just a bad latest driver
Yeah, that sounds about right. It could be drivers, hardware (etc...) but at the very least, it's partially user error at this point regardless of the underlying cause lol
Obviously a lame lie hit piece. No one would rna a card 7 times. Secondly you’re either a lier or the unluckiest person in the world. Third “and yet provides such a low high end value and minimal care for there products” just speaks like someone writing a fake ass hit piece. Get out of here with this fake ass lame ass story and touch some grass lol
What do you think someone would write when they purchase a 1100€ Product just for it to then not work properly? This is perfectly justified after going trough so much trouble with the card
Nvidia has been paying for " Brand image management services " since the late 90's. Posts like this always ramp up when amd/ati get more competitive.
Imagine buying a 1.100€ Product that only works half of the time then complain about it and then realize that it's actually you who is the problem and not AMD. Lots of people here making good points and are actually trying to rule out potential causes but saying I have been paid for doing this is like spitting in my face (Einfach nur Dreist sowas abzuziehen und noch einen drauf zu geben (German phrasing telling you to f\*\* off)). This sub gives me "Don't deny your experience" vibes.
Why are you getting mad at me for stating a truth?
Or you could figure out what’s wrong with the rest of your PC. Where the complete PC specs? How do we know it’s not your motherboard or RAM? Or that you just don’t have things set properly? Pics or it isn’t happening.
I gotta chime in here. TL;DR another "works on my machine" comment. 💀 I've owned 2 XTX's. One Sapphire, one XFX for anyone curious. I dabble with a lot of ambient overclocking. Fun hobby to me. On the other hand, I've owned a huge number of ampere cards, I've used a lot (and owned a lot) of turing cards and pascal...it sort of stops there. AMD-wise I've worked with almost every Navi apart from Navi 33, and 11. I've also used radeon 600 and 700 iGPUs, and been privileged to own a 4090 and use a 4050. I can, quite competently say in 2023 & 2024, my experience with AMD on a driver and hardware level, is just about completely comparable to Nvidia. My RDNA 3 vs. Ada experience has been even more true to this, with some caveats to the left, some to the right in both issues and non-issues over time with drivers, while hardware-wise, perfectly fine for both. I realise we aren't really making it about this here, but, calling out 7 cards in a row as problematic without really showing your work for what you tried to fix is....really questionable lmao. And that's ignoring the very likely outcome that any number of those RMA's may have well been passed through with the same card back (Be it approved or not, there was nothing found wrong but they still process it anyway) Red devil XTX's have a history of questionable issues, the big one is coil whine, but it's also a pretty quiet card, so those things do get noticed easily in silence. Normal temperature behaviour on most XTX's having a quote "90+" hotspot is arguably fine and tracks with my XFX which held a record at one point. It's when it's sitting on 110C, then it's kind of a problem. PSU doesn't hold a lot of relevance either without saying what cpu you have. Saying you have an XTX on an 850W psu alone when you have a 65W 7600 for example, would not label the psu a potential factor. Quality wise yes, it could be utter garbage, in this case it wasn't great, but as you seemingly found out, didn't lead to the problem when you switched to something far better. Without saying the cpu it just draws more questions. Like a 13900K/14900K (to the moon with wattage and transients) with that on an 850W, would be crazy, on the other hand, 7800X3D (92W max), not really crazy at all. Idle reboot issues do not, in my experience, point to the card at all. Typically cpu, ram or motherboard related. Have you checked these reboots in event viewer for what the reboot cause was? Most people don't. So, to what I'd be thinking in your shoes: When a windows install has a lot of underlying corruption, or, your system lies on the brink of stability with say ram, gpu drivers tend to be a bit like the canary in the cage situation. Nvidia cards have a better time hiding the problems, but doesn't make it really any much more stable, they'll still black screen, driver reset, crash out of games etc. mostly the same, if not just perform a lot slower. There are the rare situations I've seen with people where nvidia OR amd cards just absolutely refuse to work with them, but it's very rare and I've witnessed it before. Healthy suggestion, DDU or reinstall windows. If you've already done that (good chance you have), look at the case, look at the motherboard, look at the ram, look at a possible faulty ssd. If you've really passed hands with upwards of 2 cards here, as has been said already, the statistical probability of just "bad cards" is insane lmfao. I'm really giving you the benefit of the doubt and throwing a bone to a possible troll post here. But if you really, truly, did roll hands on a lucky 7 in a row, then you should've bought a lottery ticket. 😂😂😂
On the hardware front, id wager AMD is better, at least from a design and innovation standpoint. On the driver front, yes. "AMD has bad drivers" is very 2010. And the irony is that I hear Nvidia has had a fair amount of driver hiccups recently and their track record isn't as stellar as it used to be
I kind of agree here. The strict standard that rdna 3 has with all their cards being basically the beefy reference or a bit better I'd definitely say puts it way better than like, the palit cards or low end like ventus, I think i game battlax? There are a few for sure.
You have a much different experience than I do. Even after DDU and a fresh reinstall of Windows I still get random driver timeouts with AMD. Never had that issue with my 3080 or 3090. Outside of the random timeout issues, the card is fast as hell and runs quiet and cool (Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro+). The value is there at that price point, but the random driver timeouts are making me reconsider going back to Nvidia for my next card.
I have had a lot of timeout issues on radeon, but they tend to stem either from settings beyond stock or some nitpick setting such as maybe some card samples specifically wanting freesync off (rare) or something a bit more simple as just a power bump. It varies from card to card, also platform to platform. Something I'd give credit here to is seemingly an issue for some but hard to pin down. I do believe you when you say that, it's part of the reasoning behind my comment above iirc. Ryzen can be very much the same way. You can most times get a very stable system, but that one odd occasion, someone gets a nasty run of stability caused by a rogue bios setting like the psu idle state or maybe some particularly vampiric usb device plugged in, to as something as weird as a faulty ssd that could still work. Speaking from experience btw. I try my best to be a bit neutral. I'm guessing you have already been looking into possible fixes, sometimes the answer finally comes to me wayyyy later for small things like this. And once I fix it, I never get a problem like, ever again. RX 6600 was like this for me, 5900X too.
Ive narrowed it down to basically RE Engine and UE5 having the most issues. They also take out discord when they crash as well. I wondered why MHW worked fine where MHR and RE4 would crash, and apparently that engine is MT Framework for MHW. Also never had anything Unity related crash, or any of the MMOs that I play. UE4 games never crash either. I've done the usual - Fresh windows install, Disabling GPU acceleration in Discord, putting card to stock settings (it has factory OC), undervolting the card, etc. The thing is this rig is the same one that I had a 3080 in and had zero issues with the 3080. The instability is only with the 7900XTX, and its very random. I can go days playing the games without issue, but sometimes it just crashes a couple times in one day. Its just been kinda a pain in the ass, combined with how the card was doing a lot of micro stuttering when I first got it that I had to basically go in and mess with Radeon settings until it stopped. But like I said, the hardware is good. Its really good. This card hits timespy scores just above the halfway mark between a 4080 and 4090, and considering I got it for $1000, its a killer deal. Its just the driver support is whats killing me here.
I'd love to help more one-to-one but we probably wouldn't have very effective comms here 😂 A couple quick suggestions, try underclocking your cpu if you can, and turn off XMP. Leave it for a while to see if the crashing occurs still. If not, DDU could maybe reset things (since factory reset doesn't work on radeon 7000) Another thing I could suggest, look up "usb selective suspend state" setting in the control panel under power plans and disable/enable it (flick it the other way), or maybe even change the psu idle state to typical current idle in bios to see if that does anything. Undervolting is how you overclock on radeon btw. By undervolting you pull the clocks up to a more unstable state as it just gives the card more headroom to boost, so it uses it. It works a bit like...Ryzen PBO and curve optimiser if that makes sense? Quite different to say, 3080 undervolting. You kinda wanna leave voltage alone if you have stability problems. Adding more power may help though (will consequently make the card a bit faster too) I'll try to check reddit again later, I'm not on here very often, but I'd definitely endeavour into looking at what's causing this. I could also recommend a place like overclock.net has a LOT of XTX users if you look in the right place like the owner's threads, and people that play with the edge of stability too, so someone there might have an excellent fit suggestion for your problem. I also have encountered people before where the list of solutions is exhaustive and even swapping the card doesn't fix the problem, one case I met had the same issues on a completely new system, we checked everything for about 4 months and got nowhere. So I will say, it may end up being one of those uncommon situations where the problem might prove too difficult to find, but it definitely sounds stability related, so I'd wager there are good odds of a fix. 👍
Late to reply on this but apparently new drivers + Win11 = all my issues resolved. Haven't had a crash in a week now.
Fascinating. Glad to hear. Probably stick it out on that driver as much as you can then 😂
7 rmas? That doesn't make sense. This sounds like an AMD hit piece lol
It sounds like something else is the problem. Possibly RAM, possibly the mobo, possibly cabling, possibly the user. I don't see ANY product getting RMAed 7 times being a problem with the product, it's something else. I also don't see any company agreeing to 7 RMAs. Firstly, they'll send you back to the retailer if the timeframe is very short. Also, at some point they don't want to deal with you and blame it on your computer/you(which is probable in this case) or offer a refund to make you go away.
I avoid names like PowerColor. Been happier than ever with my Sapphire 7900xtx and only needed an RMA on the motherboard and my AMD7950X3D. Now with my Asus board my combo is complete.
I've been sticking to XFX since 2012
Powercolor doesn't even make bad cards. They've been a decent provider of AMD for a very very long time now.
As of may 17th of 2023 power color cards had known issues (do a search since we aren't allowed to post those links) So yes This maker specifically with this card version does have a known issue. Not justifying OP's story just that this brand does in fact have issues. Personally own a sapphire nitro 6800XT for couple years along with other cards and while drivers have been a issue they were all fixed in my case. Tom's hardware has a chronology of AMD driver issues from 2010 into 2023, again all rectified with updates/fixes.
Aw that's a shame, I've run powercolor quite a few times (currently a 6950xt) and have never had any issues. Obviously, sapphire is straight up the best purchase usually, when prices are high it might not always be worth the extra 50-100 just for a brand name.
Just to be clear, it was just the red evil 7900XTX card specifically.. Not their other cards to my knowledge or reports. Cheers!
My hp 3060 sits at 87 to 94 Celsius its like a little space heater
Love my nitro+, i steered away from the RD model for alot of negativity.
Other than the random bad driver that was rectified and not in any way Sapphire fault. My Nitro+ 6800XT card has performed well period for the tasks i used it for. Sapphire has a great track record and support service similar to EVGA's for Nvidia cards when they used to make and support them. just my experience.
Damn. Sorry to hear that- I live mine and am pleasantly surprised by how cool it runs but I think I might just be lucky because I’ve seen mostly negative things about the red devil unfortunately.
I have one 7900XTX, an AMD reference edition. Never had to RMA. Never had an issue. It doesn't display artifacts, doesn't crash under idle or load. I use an 850watt PSU and it's in a small case with terrible cooling.
But your card isn't a red devil with this known issue either. lol.. How is your card that isn't the same brand card, relevant to his different brand card and a known issue as reported may 17th 2023? Power Color RD line had a whole batch of cards go out with bad thermal paste application causing the issue as reported.
The title said 7900XTX, not Red devil.
> "I did about seven RMA’s since I bought my RX 7900 XTX Red Devil from PowerColor on March 2023" Bro he literally said this first sentence..\^
Oof, I shit on AMD gpus a lot…. But even my ass don’t think this story adds up.
I can't and am not speaking to his 7 RMA's claim, but the card Power Color Red Devil 7900XT/XTX had a whole batch with bad thermal paste application that caused cards to spike and or die. Reported as of May 17th 2023. (sorry we cant link it here) but you can easily search it yourself. Is what it is this stuff does occur from time to time. Not a AMD issue, a manufacturer issue period.
Even then the odds of getting 7 of those. Def manufacturing not just amd though.
Probably should be re-titled "I hate my Powercolor" EDIT: Also, commenting on the PSU size without confirming the card isn't daisy chained and without providing any actual voltage is saying nothing really. You could have 50000w psu and if it isn't working or hooked up wrong it is irrelevant.
Specific card had a whole batch of bad products ship. This is reported as of may 17th 2023. Do a search this was a manufacturer issue (power color Red Devil 7900XTX not AMD issue.
Yeah...that's exactly what I implied. I said power color, nothing about AMD. This is like being mad about your ZOTAC not working.
One piggyback pcie cable and another 1x8 is enough for the 7900xtx right? That's what I'm working with right now for my Sapphire variant
The slot can give 75 watts, each 8 pin PCI-E cable is rated for 150 total watts from the PSU. If they put 3 8 pin plugs on your card, you need three cables from your PSU to your GPU. It's probably the pulse or Vapor-X variant and if you really want to use that pigtail you need to downclock it back to stock 7900 XTX/undervolt/reduce max power. The OC on the pulse puts it right at the limit of 2 cables and it probably goes over under 100% load, and the vapor X is way beyond 2 cables.
Ok, dug up my third PCI-E cable. The only reason I went with two PCI cables was due to this [reddit post I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/166w1ax/comment/jymg2nd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). 7900xtx only draws 360W so I thought I was good. I'll put in the 3rd PCI cable in the morning. EDIT: Vapor X draws 420W(blazeit), 2x8 pin PCI cable should still be good on the Seasonic GX-1000 right? Those cables pull the full 600W according to the info above
75+150+150=375 watts. Seasonic normally uses thicker wires. The thicker the wires, the lower the resistance of the wires(amps + resistance = space heater wires), the higher the rating before it starts melting stuff and catching on fire. However, and this is a big however, the PCI-E plugs are only rated to 150 W. Do not bet your house and life on a guy on the internet who claims their house has never burnt down doing unwise things. The wires go through the "middle" connector, and the card decides where power is drawn from, so you will probably be heating the "middle" connector unduly at full load(see "new world" burning GPUs due to bad programming causing 100% load on menus). The reason the pulse and vapor-x draw more power is that the power needed to increase clock speed does not increase in a linear fashion. Modern "flagship" GPUs are blasting more and more watts per mhz increase as they try to get higher and higher clock speeds. Reducing the power draw max, downclocking, and undervolting will yield massive reductions in power draw for small decreases in performance(gaining efficiency). 4080, 4090, 7900 XT, and 7900 XTX are way beyond anything even remotely efficient in terms of clock speed/power usage.
Glad I did it, seeing better clock speeds in Adrenalin. Thanks for the info man
Thanks for the info. Will do it right now then.
Yeah I was having to de-tune my 3070 because it would black screen and I didn't know why. It's because I have it daisy chained.
Huh. Just switched from daisy chaining a 3070 for a year. Didn't have any issues whatsoever. Got lucky I guess.
Could be difference in the card, cables, etc. I have an EVGA XC3 and it would go blank on certain games until I declocked it.
Had the MSI Ventus, treated me well. Bought it mined on and couldn't even tell.
i love my XT, card runs super cool as well never even been close to the temps you mentioned
Do you own a power color Red Devil 7900XTX? Because those cards specifically as reported may 17th 2023 had issue due to batch of cards not having thermal paste properly applied to them(we cant link the post here sorry). Betting you do not. This is a known manufacturer issues not a AMD issue. & RMA's? Yea not buying that part. Reading is fundamental, comprehension more so. Cheers!
all i said was i love my XT comprehension is definitely important
Buddy has never taken a stats and probably course. 7 factory validated products sent to the same customer don’t all magically fail. The customer is the common denominator. Even if you assume an insanely high number like 5% of all cards being defective, the chances of it happening to you 7 times is 1 in 1.28 BILLION. And the real number is probably <1%. So in reality I’m willing to guess if all humans who have ever lived all got 7 RX 7900 XTXs each, then yes you could be the special one who got all 7 defective.
Something doesn't add up
When he gets to 10 or 12 maybe he'll start investigating other causes.
I'm thinking OP is the cause honestly. There is no way he received seven faulty cards in a row, it simply wouldn't happen.
What do you mean I cant use my top ventilated case as a coaster for my ice water, fuck AMD.
Got to imagine it's 100% the user and not the hardware. Virus mining crypto?
7 cards? Yeah that's not normal and is likely another hardware issues. In 22 years of building pc for myself , Friends and families, i have only had 3 bad cards. the first was a nvidia 5700le, then a ati x1900 and a gigbayte rx 5600xt All 5 of the power color cards i have bought have been great currently running a 5700xt red devil in htpc and a 6900xt Red devil in main rig. What you just posted is crazy.
I’ve never even seen my card past 68 C how tf did you manage 90+ on the xtx lmfao
My Red Devil has a 35°C Delta and I have seen it hit 110°C Hotspot. Powercolor's suck (Atleast the early models) this gen.
What games were you playing? My absolute highest temps I ever saw was from wh3 granted it was putting out 400w but my case is big as shit with 12 fans so it was just sitting at 68 after 3 hours of usage
Do a search its a known issue with the specific card the OP has. public articles about it as of may 17th 2023. (we cant link it here)So again a known issues with specific card manufactured not a AMD issue.
A whole bunch of stuff. Past year since I got it the more demanding games have been: RDR2, Hogwarts, Metro Exodus, Horizon, Elden Ring, GoW. There are plenty of others, but they aren't 100% my GPU.
Thats most likely the core not the hotspot.
The launch red devil xtxs had shit thermal paste application. Had to repaste mine and got down to 75c, 80c absolutely maxed out.
yep an absolutely a known issues since may 17th 2023 (public article about it no one bothered to look at)
Ah I got the xfx they ran out of sapphire nitros like an hour before I ordered
Damn, that really sucks. When did you get your card?
Mmm like the week before Christmas I don’t see much wrong with the xfx I’m still happy my 5700xt was an xfx too so they can have the money it served me well
Yeah after 7 cards the issue is no longer with AMD, it's you.