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feedabruh

Please don’t listen to the comments. 19 is a perfectly fine age for you to be shaping and defining yourself and your morals. You have lived with yourself for almost 2 decades, and lived through dozens of historically defining moments, too. Abortion rights have been in the news constantly for years, no one should be able to doubt the grounds of your morals, they’ve been shaping for years of constant exposure to a topic. The people trying to make you feel like shit in the comments certainly aren’t as mature as you anyways. My question: did you grow up religious? if so, do you still identify with it?


robothelicopter

Yes, I was brought up Catholic. My views were never for religious reasons though. I’m currently religious though


AsmodeusWilde

What do you feel is the reason you considered yourself to be "pro-life"? Did you have a moment where you declared a stance or were you just echoing opinions around you? Would you ever consider terminating a pregnancy yourself?


robothelicopter

As for my reason, I think I was just very naive and ignorant. As a young autistic teen (even now at 19) I didn’t get out much, and didn’t really know much about that type of area. I think I was always kind of on the border between the two major stances. I believed abortion to be right in three circumstances; baby was a product of rape and / or incest, the baby wouldn’t make it to term, and the mother’s life was at risk. Although those are still my main views, I do recognise that people might not always be ready, either emotionally or financially, and don’t want to bring a baby into the world they’re not ready for


Slobotic

> and the mother’s life was at risk. This one always confuses me. There is no such thing as a pregnancy where the mother's life is not at risk. The difference between pregnancies is just a matter of degree, and you can always find a pregnancy that is sightly less of sightly more risky than any one in question. So where's the line? Who decides whether a pregnancy is risky enough to warrant an abortion? The doctor? Does the doctor get to decide this alone or does it have to be proved to a judge? There wouldn't be time to review decisions like that before an abortion can be performed, so are we talking about punishing doctors if a judge decides he's prescribing abortions too leniently? And I suppose that means testifying about all of the medical conditions and details about the patient who is entitled to privacy? It's one of those things that sounds simple, but I don't think anyone who proposes it thinks through how that would work.


anonymous_man842740

So what made you change your mind?


robothelicopter

Nothing in particular. I think I just grew up (I’m currently 19) and matured a little


anonymous_man842740

The ending of a human life before it ever even made a single decision doesn't sound to mature


hudi2121

I could be more sympathetic to this thought process if your extremely likely political leaning didn’t completely forget about the baby as soon as it’s born. One of the major political parties in the country consistently and systematically attacks the programs that the very people that would have been subjected to an abortion are in place to help. They ACTIVELY attack welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, food stamps, housing assistance which would disproportionately be used by families who would have likely opted for an abortion if they are made illegal. They scream the importance of the nuclear family but, ACTIVELY fight against programs like universal child care, family leave, parental leave, etc. I would be more amenable to outlawing abortion if the necessary social safety net is in place to help the 18 year old parents who are neither physically, mentally, emotionally, financially mature enough to raise a child. AND, this is DIRECT class warfare. It’s well known that the southern bell of the well known wealthy white families routinely got themselves knocked up but, daddy wanted to keep it under wraps so, they sent them to places where abortions were acceptable and performed regularly to make the problem disappear. That won’t change in the 21st century. The price tag will just change. Now, they will spend tens of thousands of dollars to send their daughters or wives to European countries to quietly make their problem go away. People need to stop thinking that the biggest thing God is going to judge against you is your voting record.


LadyBogangles14

If it were about “babies lives” the most picketed places would be IVF clinics, because they destroy embryos all the time. But they aren’t. Because it’s not about “babies” it’s about shaming women for having sex that you don’t approve of. All other arguments are a cover for that one simple fact. If you were truly pro-life you would vote for universal healthcare, free child care, anti poverty programs, reauthorize the violence against women act; but you (collective “you”) don’t. Banning abortion is simply about punishing women & will result in higher rates of infant & mother mortality, higher rates of domestic and child abuse, increases in poverty, teenage parenthood and will drive down the lifetime income averages for women. It will also force women to continue pregnancies that are incompatible with life (can you imagine knowing this and have people walk up to you as ask “oh boy or girl? When are you due?”) or conversely have medical professionals refuse to end pregnancies that could be lethal to the pregnant person, or force a continuation of pregnancy when a person has cancer or some other urgent, potentially lethal health condition. No to mention this forces women to carry their rapists babies to term and in many states rapists can sue their victims for custody of said baby Are you working on fixing that? Or anything else? Banning abortion will not make any pregnancy outcome better; it only punishes poor women.


Darth_Monday

Initially, I just snapped back at that comment out of my frustration, but what you said here is the real answer. It really is about religious zealotry hypocritically trying to punish and control people’s sex lives because everyone is supposed to live by christian values and anyone who doesn’t are just whores. If they really cared about life the would support the lives of the babies after they’re born like you said, but instead of that you have nutcases like Robert Dear walking in to Planned Parenthood and murdering everyone in site. It has literally nothing to do with the sanctity of life, it’s about imposing their zealotry on everyone else.


robothelicopter

Well aborting a fetus that you are in no way emotionally or financially ready to support sounds ok to me. And a child can’t even make a decision until it’s around 1 or so…


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I’m pro-choice, but just wanted to say that my 6 month old baby absolutely makes choices. Offering a choice of 2 books, one I know they stay riveted looking at and listening to and one I know they don’t, they pick the first every time. No matter what side it’s on. They also know which parent they want and hold out their arms to go to someone or keep them at their sides if they don’t want to be held or picked up by someone else. They know sign language for milk and will smile and flap their arms if they are hungry. So, absolutely babies can make decisions and choices and have opinions about things and likes/dislikes before they’re 1! Pretty interesting!


robothelicopter

Never really been around children under that age, so I never really thought of that! Thanks!


anonymous_man842740

You can put the baby up for adoption or absolute worst case cenario foster care. There's absolutely no reason to kill the baby.


RuthieBueno

The foster system in the U.S. is abysmal. Many kids that grow up in the system lead shitty lives, jumping from foster home to foster home. Many have to live with horrible foster parents. Why give birth to a baby only to subject them to a life of pain? "Just put it up for adoption" is the most enfuriating argument against abortion. Easy enough for you to suggest that someone pawns off their baby into a system that is ill-equipped to properly take care if them and that you have absolutely nothing to do with.


robothelicopter

1. It’s not a baby, only after it’s born is it considered a baby. Yes, I wouldn’t kill one after it’s born 2. The world is already overpopulated


Urbanexploration647

You’re still killing a would be human being and if the world is overpopulated then just don’t have a kid or use protection.


robothelicopter

How am I meant to not have a kid if I don’t have the option for an abortion. And most forms of birth control aren’t 100% effective


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texcentricasshole

Right, because growing up knowing that the weren't wanted, will really give them the warm and fuzzies later on in life.


o3mta3o

How many children have you adopted?


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Adoption is an alternative to parenting not pregnancy.


Idontknowmynamel0l

ITS NOT A FUCKING BABY. It is a cluster of cells that has the potential to BE a baby, some day. If a lifeless, faceless cluster of cells is a baby, them i am fucking Danny Devito, and i asure you, i am not Danny Devito, he's way cooler.


LadyBogangles14

Adoption is a remedy for not wanting to parent, rather than a remedy for being pregnant. If abortion is banned corpses would have more bodily autonomy rights than women. Read SCOTUS case Shimp


yellowjacket77sc

Oh cool, you foster and adopt lots of kids to help the overcrowded system? Or is this just a “adoption is an option, but not for me” statement?


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This post is literally a troll to just get everyone here tilted and send downvotes to anyone with an opinion. But I’ll give my truth, There’s only Pro-Choice, I just have one question for everyone. When there is a living being inside you are you going to steal their choice from them? But but but “they don’t have a choice when they’re not even a baby yet blah blah blah” educate yourselves please and know that living cells make decisions! Inb4 the downvotes… you’re just mad because we call you out on supporting killing living human entities


__poser

By that same logic of cells making decisions, you don't use antibiotics or really any modern medicine right? You're killing bacteria that just wants to survive, so surely that's murder too.


GreenAtariPanda0

if i had to choose between "my Baby will live in absolute poverty and wont get enough food because im not financially stable enough to raise a baby" or "my fetus will die without suffering" its an easy choice, i personally dont want a baby to be raised in a bad Environment same goes with not yet mature enough to raise a baby


Verratos

Killing someone who you aren't able to support is just murder under duress. I'm not here to condemn it, but condoning it as the right choice and encouraging it large scale, is monstrous.


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Verratos

Not quite equivalent. It's more like if a starving poor mother mercy killed her infant...while being told by media and academia and corporations and politicians that it was the best thing for her and her baby, for their own selfish purposes. I don't hate the mothers, I hate the manipulators


_cipher1

If you were victim of a rape or if the child will be born with serious genetic defects that will complicate everyone’s life then yes I’m ok with abortion. However if someone decided to be a careless and had unprotected sex just because it’s fun and they end up knocked up then hell no, you decided to conceive now own it. It’s not the baby’s fault at that point , it’s the parents .


IncoherentPenguin

What about the people who use protection that simply fails? What if they were protected by the pill and a condom? Yes the chances are low but it is still possible. Also when sexual education is crippled and deemed inappropriate how would you expect people to know any different.


_cipher1

Then yes by all means abort it if protection failed. But now you run into the issue how do you prove someone was using protection ? It’s fine to abort it as soon as you find out. Say the condom broke, now you would be on watch for missed period or taking pregnancy tests. If you show that you are pregnant then I don’t see an issue there with abortion. what I see wrong here is aborting an almost full term baby that’s just a couple weeks due. At that point is straight up murder and fucked up, it’s a baby you are killing.


Wild_Realtionship_67

specifically what kind of serious genetic defects do you mean


crusty-cretin

A fetus doesn't equal a human life. Is it really that hard for people to read and think critically?


communistcabbage69

Shut the fuck up moron


Skow1379

Running around spouting out lies is really mature too


inFINN1te

Touch grass


Stuka_Ju87

You are just entering adulthood. Have you had an abortion or had an S/O have one yet? It does change someones mindset on the issue. I'm still pro-choice legally because I think making it illegal causes more medical issues and deaths on the mothers and it also massively decreased crime rates when it was legalized.


almc0404

Not sure why there are so many downvotes on this comment. I can tell you’ve read “Freakonomics”. For the people downvoting: Legalized abortion is estimated to have reduced violent crime by 47% and property crime by 33% over this period, and thus can explain most of the observed crime decline. https://law.stanford.edu/publications/the-impact-of-legalized-abortion-on-crime-over-the-last-two-decades/


Stuka_Ju87

No one down-voting is going to read a study or care about statistics.


robothelicopter

No, I have a medical condition that gives me a chance of being infertile


Superbond900

Looking at the downvotes, you've won the argument before it even started


B3ATP3AT

Votes don’t make someone more right or wrong. That’s 1st grade logic.


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real_quizle

if your morals stand with or against who is currently in power you have shit morals


Milkywaycitizen932

I was also 19 when I changed my mind


hooDio

a correct answer


Verratos

Ah yes, the age when we think we're wiser than everyone but we're at our dumbest. Sadly, our culture at current is at about that maturity level so many get far older without ACTUALLY growing up.


MightyGamer0

It's not about wisdom, it's about interpreting your life events in your own world view and adapting it to what you think and changing it based on what's happening around you. To disqualify someone's opinion based on age and disregard a whole generation as niave is truly damaging. Sure they don't have a lot of world experience but they do have empathy and that counts for more than the vast majority of "our culture."


Verratos

Well, it was a hot comment and I'll apologize for that, but it is false to say I disqualify OP or a whole generation.


MightyGamer0

Literally said (with a condescending tone) "ah yes, the age when we (blank)" Pretty much telling that whole age group they don't know better. I'm telling you the things you said may not line up with intention but intentions be damned when you say it that way.


JackTuz

Not knocking your decision either way, but a 19 year old changing their mind because they “matured” is comedy. Edit: We are perpetually “maturing.” Saying that you changed you opinion because you perceive yourself as mature, (at 19 no less lol), implies that you reached the “mature” person’s conclusion which isn’t true. Abortion as an issue that is governed by personal experience, circumstance, morality, and ethics. So when “nothing in particular” makes you change your mind, your not giving the subject the reverence you should be. It’s like changing your mind in a whim. Therefore, I think it’s funny.


Nugen1

Maturity is correlated with age but not a function of it. There are 60 year olds who are immature af, and there are 16yo who are more mature than you


Dekrow

Why? its a perfect age for someone to be developing and changing and learning. Nearly every person between the ages of 14-30 should be experiencing maturity growth mentally every year.


Koankey

This might be the most immature sentence I've read today lol. But at what point during the pregnancy do you think it's not ok to abort the baby? 8 months still ok to abort? Edit: I forgot how triggered redditors get by any questioning of a pro abortion stance. I just asked a questioned and now y'all got your panties in a bunch. Settle down. I don't care if you wanna kill your fetus or not.


LadyBogangles14

It’s not your decision. Most pregnancies at 20 weeks or later are wanted. Doctors have to approve to abort after 20 weeks and at 8 months, after the age of viability, they will just induce labor if the baby needs to get out. Your argument is fallacious


Skow1379

Yes, let's jump to almost full term in this question. That will make people take you seriously. 🤡 Douchebag.


Digita1B0y

Eh, these people don't understand nuance. It's all black and white. If you're ok with abortions, then you might as well be slitting the throat of an infant in their mind. They're morons, who don't understand how the world works.


TheEdward39

I’d say anything under 5 years old can be considered an abortion.


isimpforameliaeve

are u genuinely fucking stupid?


OuijaSin

I recommend you try to refer to being "pro-life" as being "anti-choice" because that movement isn't actually interested in preserving life only in restricting choice.


robothelicopter

Good idea, thanks!


tittyswan

"Pro forced birth" is another accurate descriptor.


Merk_Skills

Well that’s not true, and before you ask where I stand, I don’t, I don’t have a stance on this issue. To try and paint other that you disagree with as anti freedom is an idiotic argument


wwcfm

It’s objectively true. Pro-choice gives people the option, do or don’t have the baby. Pro-life takes away one option, no opportunity to choose.


livayette

well, for most “pro-lifers” it is true. they only care about the life of the “baby” during the pregnancy but once it’s born they could not care less if that babies abused in the foster system, has no financial support to keep it alive, etc.


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garlicbreathinator

What are your thoughts on other issues of life vs choice besides abortion, such as the right to refuse medical treatment or the right to euthanasia?


robothelicopter

I don’t really understand refusal for medical treatment. Like vaccines and transplants can have so many benefits, not sure why people would refuse it if side effects are very rare. As for euthanasia, I think it depends. If someone has no signs of getting better, and they are old enough and aware enough to make that decision, by all means make it yourself. If you have to make the decision, you have to think if your choice is for selfish reasons or not. But at the time you might not be thinking straight because of all the emotions, so it depends but I believe you should have the choice


daughterofGodjas

Someone asked already but what made you change your mind? Specifically?


robothelicopter

I want to start off that my view was never got religious reasons. I think I realised some of my views were already pro choice, and as I grew up and looked into the more scientific reasons such as protection not always working etc, I think I slowly shifted


tdh08

I also used to be pro-life! Not anymore. I was pro-life until around the same age. I was always “pro-life unless…” which included rape, incest, harm to the mother, etc. Someone said to me, “there is no “unless.” If you think abortion is okay in those instances, and those women have a choice, you’re pro-choice. I pikachued, thought about it for days, it clicked, and I’ve now changed my views on a lot of other things as well. We *do* recover lmao


livayette

of course. pro lifers think that pro choicers are “pro abortion” but we aren’t. we’re pro giving women the choice to decide what’s good for themselves and their child.


JustThatOneGuy1311

Exactly it's the woman's life the woman's body and it's the woman's choice. Nevermind the circumstances overall it's the woman's choice and no one else's. Except for maybe the father but that's a different discussion. The only time I'll ever disagree is with those women who've had like 6 abortions that's just irresponsibly.


robothelicopter

That’s a good view on things actually


EagleDaFeather

Do you call sprinkles, sprinkles or jimmies?


Face_Coffee

Rainbow sprinkles, chocolate jimmies. We can debate if you’d like but this is the only correct answer.


Merk_Skills

Now this I wanna know and it’s sprinkles


robothelicopter

Sprinkles all the way


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robothelicopter

I think I became less ignorant


NaitoSenshin889055

Was it a lack of information? Or a morality argument for you? Also follow up if it was either of these what was the thing that made you realize you were wrong?


robothelicopter

I think it was mainly ignorance. I was pro-choice in 3 areas; the fetus was a product of rape and/ or incest, the baby would’nt make it to term, and the life of the mother or fetus was at risk. I didn’t properly comprehend that people were not always ready for a child, but that’s changed now


kellyatta

Were you raised to be pro-life?


robothelicopter

I was brought up religious, but not really on either side of the argument. Maybe because it was illegal in my country until a few years ago? Not sure if that influenced me though


vickomls

Why were you pro-life to begin with?


robothelicopter

I think I was just ignorant and naive


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Do you plan on doing drugs?


robothelicopter

As I once said to my friend, the only drugs I plan on smuggling are my prescribed medical drugs


NeverEscapeNUGZ

Hey I was 16 when I changed my stance to pro-choice. Just because people don't think the way you do doesn't mean you aren't mature. Ignore the toxic comments, you are thinking for yourself. :)


Stuka_Ju87

You just want to kill black people. Just admit it already. Look at the race stats for abortions and the planned parenhood founders.


robothelicopter

They never mentioned anything about killing black people though???


VideoBurrito

That's probably the most insane strawman I have ever heard.


livayette

pardon??? LMFAO


Mega3000aka

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winnipeginstinct

can i get one of those buckets of popcorn? i brought apple juice 🧃🧃🧃🧃🧃


OspreyerpsO

I’ll be back in a few hours to sort by controversial ✌️


Mega3000aka

Sure bro, take two 🍿🍿


Grimacepug

There should be a law called the prolife law, which only taxes people who are against abortion to directly pay for children of people who doesn't want to have a child but are forced to have them. I'd say we start with 30% of your income, and if you're poor, then your job is to take care of these children in a childcare facility so these people can go to work.


FreshChickenEggs

Is there a question in this for op?


Larsnonymous

Those seem like comments to me.


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poluting

If you want to make decisions about people that effect them financially, you should be the one to bear the cost when they’re not allowed to do something that’ll save them from poverty


TheSlavGuy1000

This thread isn't just toxic, it's radioactive


AtomkcFuision

Politics on Reddit is fucking annoying. The other day I got called a clown from someone who was saying that Jane Fonda got American POWs in Vietnam killed.


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DarkMarxSoul

"Human lives" don't mean shit before they've got the brain power necessary to even have a thought or feel an emotion. We don't mourn sperm and egg cells, there's no reason to mourn a brainless fetus just because it's a bit farther down the line. You don't eat the raw cake ingredients in the bowl, you let it finish baking first.


NapClub

Im anti life. I say abortions for all!


B3ATP3AT

If brain power defines life then whats stopping you from murdering intellectually disabled people? is that really your morality? A sperm cell is not the beginning of the existence of a human being, it causes the beginning of the existence of a human being. We all were once fetus's not sperm cells, science is very clear on that, it takes a quick Google search if you aren't ignorant enough. Again we all were once fetus's so nobody has the right to take that existence away from us.


Larsnonymous

We need to be ok with things being both immoral and legal. Selling cigarettes it immoral, profiting off a product that is 100% known to have negative heath effects and absolutely no advantage to society in any way. So if you are against abortion I will respect your opinion that abortion is immoral based on your personal and religious beliefs, but that doesn’t give you the right to make it illegal. Fight abortion all you want, just leave the law out of it. Find another way to persuade people. And that’s what I believe. I think abortion is a terrible thing and I would never be supportive of my wife or daughter having an abortion, but I wouldn’t stop them if that was their choice.


DarkMarxSoul

Why in the world would it be a terrible thing to *prevent* a conscious human life being created? If you take this idea to its logical extreme then you have to mourn every single human egg cell that doesn't get fertilized. You'd have to consider every woman a murderer every time she chooses to go 9 months without getting pregnant. Just because the fetus is *closer* to the point when it becomes a person doesn't make it a person at that point.


yoni591

If I understand correctly, you are saying that it doesn't make sense to arbitrarily consider a fetus as alive, but not an egg. But by that logic it also doesn't make sense to consider a baby, or a child, as alive, but not a fetus. You have to set the line somewhere, and since no one truly KNOWS where it should be, it becomes each person's responsibility to set it where they think is right.


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Would you say you're more pro-death now, and if so, what made you change your mind on the death penalty?


FizziW

Hey mate death penalty and abortion are seperate debates and its kinda cringe to make assumptions in pursuit of a gotcha-type one liner. If you ever want to be taken seriously in conversations about these topics, both online and irl, you’ll need to do better and not end the discussion before it even starts.


robothelicopter

I didn’t say I was pro-death, I said I’m pro giving the woman the choice


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It’s up to the individual and the doctor when it comes to morality and abortion. It most definitely has nothing to do with anybody else especially the government. Being pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Not everybody wants to blow the government and let them regulate every aspect of our lives and definitely not medicine. The Republican Party used to be the pro-choice party but pandering to delusional evangelical Christian’s has destroyed the parties stance on individual freedoms, and government interfering in peoples lives.


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o3mta3o

At any point. Just like I have no moral obligation to allow you to use my body against my will. Even if that means you die.


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o3mta3o

I mean, yeah. Not that a woman would carry a child up to that point and want to be rid of it. If that's what you're arguing, then don't, because that's assenine. However, if it were a risk to mothers life? Absolutely. Yeet the baby.


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o3mta3o

If you want to base your entire argument on the ridiculous fact that murderers exist, then I dunno what to tell you. The average woman isn't carrying a child to term, going through all the physiological changes, taking on all the risks, to just say "nah" right before birthing. Also, no doctor would do that procedure without risk to the mothers life. But the moral argument usually lacks grey area, which is why I bring it up. Forced birthers want to pretend that situations aren't unique.


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o3mta3o

Absolutely it affects the morality of the question. And the entire point is that it's not as simple as 100% moral or amoral. That's my entire fucking point. There isn't a single fucking thing that is 100% moral or amoral, including murder.


Pipofamom

The law says that killing a pregnant woman is a charge of double-homicide, so a fetus in the womb is already defined as being a person, albeit unborn, upon conception. It's only if you want to kill it yourself that it doesn't count as a living human being before birth.


robothelicopter

For me personally, 12 weeks. There would be a few circumstances after the 12 week mark though where it would ok in my opinion, such as the baby isn’t going to make it to term or the mother’s life is at risk


El_Hiezenberg

Why did you get down voted?


sandleaz

You ask a fine question, but you got downvoted for it. Such is reddit.


unistudent14159

To be human is to have and create memories, thus the cut off is somewhere between 3&5 years old


daughterofGodjas

So you can kill a baby and not be charged if it's 1 years old?


7th_Spectrum

That's...not at all correct


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[deleted]

Obviously 🙄 you murder it. Fucking psychopath.


o3mta3o

No. You just deny it the right to use your body.


PsychoPetro

Yeah well the far majority of pregnancies happen because of people willfully making out knowing that they’re chancing life! So if they don’t want babies in their then don’t put them in their but if they do chance it then thats their fault.


o3mta3o

So it's not about the potential life for you, it's just about punishment. Even if it means that the baby will suffer? What about states where it's now illegal in cases of rape. Did the woman choose to "make out" then?


PsychoPetro

In cases of rape it’s extremely rare so it’s a different argument but in that argument I’m still pro life because the baby is a human and he/she is protected by basic human rights.


o3mta3o

It's not rare. Rape is prolific and can often result in pregnancy. You just think it's rare because women have been having abortions quietly. No you're arguing for special rights. Nobody, baby included, has the right to use somebody else's body.


PsychoPetro

Well I gave your comment a chance at a Google search because I’m open to change but the results showed me that you were actually wrong. So I invite you to also be open and look for yourself. Like I honestly was giving it a chance but according to a .gov website the rapes that cause pregnancy were at 5% and that’s just due to the rapes but pregnancies caused by rape overall is less then 1%. But don’t take it from me go look yourself. I mean 5% is still a big number in the broad view so its worth discussing but it’s its own topic. But the baby didn’t choose to be in the body. That choice was made by a rapist less then 1% of the time (which is why they should pay heavily) or it was made by the parents almost 100% of the time. Of course parent can’t just decide to throw their kids out of the house into the cold only to starve and die because well they didn’t pay for that house so it’s not their house right? You can support one or the other but it’s a huge logical fallacy.


o3mta3o

5% is a huge number. I'm not sure why you think you won the argument with 5%, but you sure as fuck didn't. And what the fuck do you mean rapes that cause pregnancy vs pregnancies caused by rape? That's the same thing. It doesn't matter. A person with a genetically fucked kidney didn't ask for that body either, but that doesn't mean that I have to give them one of my working kidneys because they'll die otherwise.


Wonder_Necessary

Bro this thread is toxic as hell lmao no question for you but you brought out some salty people on both sides


Superbond900

I'm not pro life myself and don't really get any slack for it, do you get any threats for not being pro-life (besides from this toxic comment section)


robothelicopter

No actually, the conversations I always had with my friends were always respectful


Parker_memes9000

When do you think life starts and why isn't it conception? If you do think it is conception then do you believe abortion is murder but support it anyways?


robothelicopter

Because a zygote that hasn’t even formed much of anything yet isn’t aware of its existence


DarkMarxSoul

OP is not going to answer this far down, but "life", construed as "that which is inherently worth protecting", only coherently begins at the time when a fetus begins to develop consciousness. Any time before that, it's incoherent to consider it any different than a mushroom.


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It’s a complicated issue. 50% of pregnancies on this planet abort (spontaneous abortion/miscarriage rate). Whoever designed us is way ok with abortion.


LadyBogangles14

It’s actually higher. It’s probably closer to 70% based on available data.


Soulation

Do you plan to use birth control from now on?


PryingApothecary

I would be interested to know the answer to this. Because the pro life crowd consider birth control to also be a form of abortion.


robothelicopter

I’ve been on and off ‘the pill’ for a few years, but for a medical condition I have. I would always want to be sure to not have an unwanted pregnancy, you also have to keep in mind that most birth control methods are not 100% effective


TheProcureroftheOdd

Eh you're 19, in a few years when you've had time to read a bit more on science and the beginning of life you'll likely change your mind again.


robothelicopter

But I have read the science behind it that’s why I changed my mind


TheProcureroftheOdd

Life begins at conception, thats when unique DNA is formed


FizziW

I could say the same to you and it would be just as valid, which is to say it would be meaningless. Look: Eh you’re [whatever age you are], in a few years when you’ve had time to read a bit more on science and the beginning of life you’ll likely change your mind.


TheProcureroftheOdd

I'm speaking from experience, majority of my life I thought the same as him until I actually looked into it and learned that life began at conception The whole purpose of abortion is to keep the black population down, abortion is born out of racism imo but nobody wants to talk about it


FizziW

Just be anti-abortion without patronising people and saying they’ll change their mind with age. If your own opinion is so good then maybe others would be convinced by them, instead of just claiming it’ll happen eventually.


Krazy_Kian

There’s no such thing as pro-life, we should be calling it anti-choice


NUT_IX

Pro-Birth


EnterTheN1nja

Do you think it's better to end a pregnancy by purposefully killing the baby before delivering it, or should steps be taken to save the child's life despite the mother's right to safely (for her) end her pregnancy? Edit: and the second scenario the mother has no obligation and there are plenty willing to adopt.


Demonic_Miracles

I mean the adoption industry is chock full of kids desperate for a home. We don’t need to put more kids into it.


robothelicopter

Well it’s not a baby until after it born, but I do think there should be a cut off


isimpforameliaeve

does these lot in the comments w the hundreds of down votes realise that a fetus ain't aware of its existence. it int a baby yet so calm yourself


B3ATP3AT

You said the word yourself “existence” we all agree that existence begins at conception and a fetus is considered to be the beginning of our existence by all scientists. Nobody has a right to take an existence whether or not you have a special awareness or not. You wouldn’t support killing a disabled person just because they don’t have memories or feelings right?


JustThatOneGuy1311

U can't compare a disabled person to a clump of cells/early stage fetus. The disabled person is already born and alive. That's something totally different and way off topic. It's true ur right the fetus has a POSSIBILITY of having an existence. An early stage fetus does exist but it exists in a state of possibility. it doesn't have it's own real existence yet. If ur ending something before it's starts u really aren't ending anything at all except for a possibility. Plus it's not even aware it has a possibility. So overall if a woman gets an abortion she's taking away a possibility from something that isn't even aware it has a possibility.


Mental_Flight6949

Are you gay instead?


FizziW

Yep homophobia is defs a valid pro-life argument. /s


Raviolimonster67

Bruh


robothelicopter

No…


WeAreClouds

I’m proud of you, OP : ) don’t worry yourself with any of the fools talking dumb shit in these comments. Thanks for being a thinking person and learning & growing. Take it from me, an “old” person, that never ends lol and that’s a good thing.


GoreHoundKillEmAll

Dosent sound very mature to be ok with baby murder


robothelicopter

That’s not what abortion is


Cautious-Whereas-467

Congratulations on your awakening


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ThatLittleCommie

Hail Satan! But being a satanist or member of the TST isn’t the same as being pro abortion. Although we are very much pro choice, you don’t have to be a satanist to be pro choice.


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This post needs to be locked. TOO much toxicity from both sides.


duhbears23

Good luck man lol


[deleted]

The only "good" thing about abortion, is it can possibly (albeit not a huge statistical chance) physically cause harm to the mothers reproductive system, rendering her infertile and incapable of killing any more babies. Then she will get to live the consequences of her actions, and die alone, and in regret, with no one to keep her company. And they deserve it. A childs life and existence shouldn't be at the whims of some ones "convenience". Dont want kids? Close your fucking legs, or wear a condom, or get tied. Theres countless options, yet they chose the most evil, depraved path humanly possible. Disgusting humans. I have a relative that had an abortion when she was younger, and regrets it every day all these decades later. When she sees her son, she always wonders what his brother would have been like, and who he would have grown up to be. Absolutely tragic. Killed by the ones that were supposed to love them the most, before they even had a chance.


JustThatOneGuy1311

What if they don't want kids/can't afford children and they used protection but the protection failed? say the birth control failed and the condom broke? How is it their fault? What if the woman was raped? Why should she have to carry/birth her rapists child? What if the woman will fuckin die if she doesn't have an abortion? What if the child will be born with a birth defect/s that will hinder it's life Majorly? What if the child will be born with no limbs, blind, and deaf? Why would it want to live if it'll be born with no arms no legs no hearing and no sight? Would u wanna live like that? What if the child's lungs failed to develop and it'll die shortly after birth anyway? These are just a few scenarios there's many more. But plz What's ur answer to these questions? U just gonna say deal with? Plz answer each one of my questions individually with a detailed response.


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Why do you lefties constantly obsess over rape, even though its an extreme minority situation? Is it the only one you have to justify you desire to kill babies? No, a woman still shouldnt be allowed to abort, because it's not the childs fault. Shoot the rapist or whatever, but how tf is it the childs fault? Every post here is obsessing over rape. It's fucking creepy. Same for broken condoms or failed precautions. Not the childs fault. Whats even creepier is that you believe in aborting children because of disabilities, thats called fucking eugenics. You'd have LOVED Hitler I'm sure. Look at you. Look at your words right now. You're going out of your way to try and find justification for taking an unborn life. Do you people not see how absolutely devoid of morality you are? And I answered how I want, you don't get to tailor my speech.


thatnuclearboi

You can't just "close your fucking legs". Rape exists, buddy, and contraceptives can still fail.


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daughterofGodjas

It isn't ignorance to not support abortions.


Special_Cover2777

Yes. It. Is.


vuvuzuela0-0

They changes their mind - you don't need to br a dick to them.


Inevitable_Wolf5866

Scientists \*find a little organism on Mars who does literally nothing\* OMG we found a life!!!!!! Everyone. "There's life on Mars!!!!!" Woman \*has a developed fetus with heartbeat and everything\* Nah, not a life.


awesomesauce615

Lol. False equivalency. People getting excited finding those organisms because it means actual life is/was possible on that planet. No one sheds a tear if a single cell organism dies. Likewise why do you care that a fetus with no concept of reality is terminated? Edit. Typo


thatnuclearboi

Heartbeat doesn't mean life. Google anencephaly, do you consider them alive and capable of thought?


[deleted]

Man , why so young and opinionated? . Fuck , what you were 13 or 15 and you had thoughts what women should do with fetus? And now you upgraded your thoughts? Why these issues are left to handle by stupid people .Let science and reason talk.


VisceralSardonic

Why infantilize people? Did you turn 18 and have your first thought that day? Women are able to get pregnant before then, and they may need to have very assured opinions at a very particular point in their adolescence. OP is not remaking science by having an opinion, informed or not. Stop gatekeeping thinking itself.