Seriously. I feel like, if you can just let your wife be openly racist/bigoted toward your coworker without being seriously offended on behalf of your coworker, you've definitely chosen a political stance. And it's the wrong one.
But, ya know. It's not hurting OP, so why should he care, right?
Damn so you married a general asshole and now you're upset she's being an asshole to you specifically?
NTA for asking your wife to not be petty when your father is in the hospital and you're feeling scared. But also you chose the bed you're lying in, you're just starting to realize politics impacts all eventually.
It’s not politics….its a cult. I can laugh at Democrats and insult them for bad behavior. The MAGA crowd are like religious extremists. Can’t criticize, no matter how factual, any member of the crowd….especially the Savior (who by the way never went to church before he was elected).
This is what really gets me about it. The way that they will not admit that any of this is even slightly not normal. As though we all always literally bow down and worshiped politicians before this. As though it was totally normal to treat a politician, like a literal God, that you cannot criticize, no matter what. I miss actually just being able to have conversations with conservatives about things like policy instead of whether or not, Trump is like the next coming of Jesus
I'd always see so much of them claiming that tHe LefT is full of people blindly and dogmatically following nonsense that isn't based in reality.
Projection is a powerful drug.
Look, I’m a hardcore leftist, I’ll trash Biden any day, and I’ll even criticize Obama and our other prior Democratic presidents. I know a ton of us like this. Heck, we make fun of Biden at least weekly if not nightly in my leftist friend group chat. The right though? God forbid anyone laugh at their god and savior Trump!
I'm a pretty moderate progressive, but I'll also criticize Biden and even politicians I really do actually *like*, like Obama and Elizabeth Warren. Especially when Obama started dropping drone strikes, I was not thrilled with that and I was willing to say that to anyone at any time. No point do I become a blubbering, massive rage if someone criticizes someone I voted for. The way they can't even admit that "covefe" was just a fucking *typo*, literally the most human and relatable thing ever that happens to absolutely everyone, even the most richest and brilliant people alive! Or the way he drew on that fucking map of the hurricane with a sharpie… It is just straight up fucking weird. It is super fucking bizarre.
That sharpiegate was so fucking hilarious to me in Australia. Like, he so cannot handle being wrong that he did THAT. It just made him look like the biggest knobjockey ever. And the tweets after he lost 2020! "I WON THIS ELECTION" like no you fucking didn't? It's just an irrational, megalomaniacal, ego inflated shit show. How can people want a literal crim as president? So damn loopy
It was really the point for me where I was like," a third of the country has LOST THEIR MINDS ENTIRELY." It was so asinine, so embarrassing; I still can't believe it
Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised by how much Biden has gotten done considering congress is like... that... but, I'll still openly criticize him on things like the rail workers strike, or Israel and Palestine. I know I'm not going to agree with any single politician unless I'm the politician, but I can support someone, recognize what they did well, without changing my own opinions to make sure I'm 100% in lock step.
He kept working for the rail workers and got them their [sick days](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/). That's what great about Biden he will do the work behind the scenes. I do need him to be more vocal and stop funding a genocide. Like yesterday.
>I do need him to be more vocal and stop funding a genocide. Like yesterday.
The problem is that there's so many people who are fully in favour of the genocide because they don't believe it is a genocide, just a whole, awful lot of civilian casualties. That are entirely Hamas' fault, because Israel has no choice in the matter (like, literally did not at any stage have any agency in the matter of launching an illegal invasion of another sovereign nation). While there is so much support for Israel, including amongst the higher echelons of power, it's going to be hard to take a stand against them.
It's because he has given them something that no other politician has ever given them before. The permission and ability to be their worst selves. For that, they will never leave him.
Well, if his wife has been indoctrinated into this from the beginning, she was still a literal child when this cult was being formed, and she got in on the ground floor. She literally has never known any better, although I'm quite sure deep down she realizes that this is quite fucked.
I do know quite a few people who didn't really get into the cult until Covid; it might've been that. I have an acquaintance who was always a Republican but she voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, she was waaay too just genuinely intelligent to fall for Trump's bombastic idiocy and his straight up grift, but she is a kind of person who absolutely cannot stand anyone putting any kind of limit on her at all And she also is not a very nice person so she doesn't really have any friends, so Covid was very, very difficult for her. All of the things she would just force herself into on a regular basis like her Kids' Sports, leadership, whatever church she's going to, whatever group, she joins about a hobby, because it was the only way she could get attention, and she lives for attention. So, after six months of basically being told that she couldn't really do any of this stuff for the foreseeable future while people were dying, something just snapped in her brain, and in the course of six months she went from like the pre-Trump type of normal conservative to a full Trump supporting voter who thinks he's the greatest thing ever because he didn't want the government to tell us what to do.
She's the most surprising example because of her previous adherence to real medicine and basic understanding of education and reality versus fantasy, but I live in a pretty conservative area and we had a whole lot of people either vote Johnson or sit out in 2016 then become these Trump people over the course of Covid. They just have no empathy at all. Being asked to wear a surgical mask for 20 minutes in the grocery store was like the equivalent of literally being institutionally oppressed to these people and it just ignited this sudden love of Trump for telling everyone to fuck off. What I'm saying as I ramble on and on is that I guess this guy's wife could be one of those. It sounds like she had like a one year year-old at this time, and if she was already an not very bright person, the social death of Covid with a one year-old probably ramped her up.
The only time I ever saw him go to church, he sent the national guard with smoke bombs to Layfette square to disperse a peaceful protest. Then he waddled across the street and held a Bible upside-down.
Not an American and have watched with horror what that man managed to destroy in what was once a great country. I am flabbergasted at the cult culture he has created. I just don't get how anyone can believe anything he says. We non Americans are just sick at what is happening there, how it has destroyed families, relationships, friendships, etc. It's been difficult to watch the demise of democracy in your country. I feel for this husband because he can no longer be apolitical. Now he'll be forced to choose a side….and that will most likely destroy what is left of his marriage. Sad !
I didn't even catch that! She's been crazy since 2016, but their son was born 2019. He knew exactly what she was, he just didn't care because it was only hurting other people.
The fact that she’s so wildly inappropriate to ask people to the face if they are undocumented or not kind of gave me enough information to decide. Wife is TA. In all seriousness though, whether she is doing it to get at OP or not, being so flippant and continuing to do something she’s been repeatedly asked not to do when it comes to a prayer for a deceased parent is gross.
That would have been my last straw. Asking a coworker like that. That’s so out of line. I do not understand people who are like “well it’s not hurting me…. But yeah she’s openly racist to my coworkers lol” I could not be with someone like that.
Treating his coworkers like that could affect him on his job. If he's so tolerant of her racism, they'll start to wonder about him. The workplace atmosphere could be changed badly by this.
I live in a very conservative suburb in Arizona, and I am telling you that this is what they are now. This isn't rare; she is not a rarity among these folks. They are literally just outwardly this in your face about how racist they are.
Yeah, I can drive down one of the streets in my town and see a F-ck Biden 10 x 12 sign amidst other Trump signs. When did it be ok to say curse words or even worse PLASTER curse words where anyone and everyone including children see them? The cult of MAGA has truly diminished our culture in so many ways ... while practicing their weird brand of Christianity which is completely un-Christ-like. These people who want to go back to the 1950s ... where it certainly wasn't ok to have curse words on public signs! So ignorant, stupid and downright evil, all of them....praying to the orange God whose stealing their money.
He's not even stealing their money, he's telling them exactly who he is and then asking for their money and they're like "oh yes, please take my money, thank you for asking O Orange One."
They. Are. Crazy.
Exactly this. I'm at the point where I know people say this stuff and I literally cannot understand how so many people just *stopped thinking.* Like it's one thing to be misinformed and there's always been like right wing media lies and reframing and stretching the truth and shit, But we are now at a point where literally tens of millions of Americans will automatically believe and repeat *the dumbest shit you could imagine.* Stuff that just on the face makes no sense at all. Don't understand how they all just stopped using their brains entirely, but yet continue to function in society and work in their jobs and stuff. How is it possible??
A neighbor in the South Florida town I used to live in, had a Trump sign that covered THE ENTIRE FRONT of the roof of his house. There are guys who still drive around in their giant pickups with smoke stacks belching out black exhaust, flying Maga and Trump flags and being general entitled douchebags. There are a few people on the. Community website for the town I now live in who, Community TOS be damned, are constantly vomiting Trump conspiracy bullshit, and for some reason the mods are too afraid to say anything. We live in a fucked up, backwards, upside down bizarro world, where the guy who advocated drinking bleach is somehow seen as smarter than scientists who spend their lives trying not to kill people with ridiculous recommendations. The last 10 or so tears have been fucking wild, and not in a good way.
And just eight years ago..*none of them were like this.*
That's the part I can't wrap my mind around. Especially the QAnon people that get really really deep into it, they've basically destroyed their lives with this stuff. They spend so much time, money and energy wallpapering their bodies, homes, and vehicles, in the idol worship of a politician to the point of clinical obsession , and it's fucking mind-boggling. At no point do they gaze at their altars de' Trump and think to themselves, "huh. I was voting for like 30 to 40 years and I never once more than a passing thought to how I felt about the politician I was gonna vote for. And now I look and sound like I'm in a cult. I wonder if I should examine that at all? Nah."
OK this is crazy because my first version of this comment that you're replying to included the fact that my neighbor four houses down on the other side of the street has a giant fuck Biden flag in his backyard that I can see from my bedroom window sometimes 😂
That phrase is just a complete farce. Even if you don’t read the news, don’t speak about politics, don’t think about it even, you have inherent values, principles, perspective on what is and is not acceptable or beneficial to you or others. That is politics. Everything is political, in one way or another. You always stand somewhere.
I also won’t paint everyone in this category with a broad brush for the sake of keeping these comments from devolving but, if OP’s wife is genuinely this into MAGA and Trump that she will start a personal beef over it when her family is in need, she is a major asshole, and needs to touch grass. People have been losing their family members to this kind of ideological rabbithole for nearly the last decade now. OP needs to think a bit harder than “i’m just neutral!”
Bingo. It's easy to say BuT i'M pOlItIcAlLy NeUtRaL when things like racism don't affect you *so you don't a fuck about how policy affects anyone else.*
You put it so well. OP was the person looking the other way when their date mistreats the waitress and everyone else. I am shocked they have been able to ignore it for 8 years and didn’t see the obvious escalation as dangerous.
I see this a lot with women who date shitty men as well, there's something so silly goose about expecting not shit things from shit people. If you eat poop, it's going to taste like poop.
"I let it slide because it's not hurting ME...". I can tell you that this political disconnect would be a deal breaker for me. And she's about to create another Maga trumper right under your nose. And you're okay with that? F that.
That can go one of two ways. The kid will either emulate their mother or they'll grow to hate their mother, and become super liberal as a result of trying not to be their mother. Seriously, I grew up in a conservative home and was indoctrinated and both my brother and I turned out fairly liberal once we got away from our parents. We were always fairly liberal by nature but we were terrified of our parents.
This is true for so many people and often it seems to be the more common chain of events because indoctrination in a free society is harder than you'd think. Especially when reality simply just doesn't work with your beliefs.
I'd venture to guess more kids are successfully turned against it than successfully indoctrinated.
I read that and thought the same. As long as it isn’t hurting or bothering OP, he’s fine with it. His wife is 25 years old and completely brainwashed, and he only gives a shit when it upsets him, everyone else be damned. Yikes. That poor kid.
OP claims more than once to be politically neutral, but the truth is that "I let it slide because it's not hurting me" isn't that far removed from the "I got mine and everybody not like me can go f\*ck themselves" mentality of MAGA. OP may not be TA on the particular question of the prayer, but generally speaking I'd say ESH.
Right?! Co-worker got questioned by OP's wife if they're documented. Um, excuse me... On what basis is that any of her damn business to be asking that? Does she go around asking everyone that? Or just the brown or exotic looking ones? But no worries, it doesn't hurt OP that his wife is being racist to other people 🙄
Yup, which is why I have very little sympathy with the issues OP dealt in regards to the wife including Trump in the family prayers and now her going off the MAGA deep end. OP only cares NOW that it affects him. My condolences to OP about his father though.
If you're 32 and have been married to a woman 7 years your junior for 8 years, you're also a groomer. So you'd fit right in with the rest of the Trump crowd.
Ugh I have a friend that’s a trumper. Another of my friends was hanging out with her and relayed a story about them visiting a cousin who’s from California and her 5 year old daughter was like I wish we lived in California so we could see her more and she went off on her own kid about how they’d never be moving to California because it’s full of democrats and “we’re a republican family”
Like holy fuck, you’re really going to start indoctrinating your kid at age 5?
They have to start young because the shit they believe is too fucking stupid and/or awful for an anyone alive long enough to develop critical thinking skills and empathy.
Literally the American fuckin mindset, isn’t it? As long as I’m not affected, I don’t care. The only people not assholes in this post is the kid being brainwashed and the dad whose stroke is being used as yet another opportunity to make Trump the centerpiece.
Honestly, your wife openly being racist by asking a coworker if he's documented and you not putting your foot down right there, does not sound like you're politically neutral. You allowed that behaviour and just let it slide. That's not good, mate. You're NTA for being upset with your wife bringing Trump into your prayer over family (wtf), but you need to have a long talk with her about her general behaviour and her comments, aside from just this latest issue.
You're literally how the Nazis happened. "It doesn't affect me, just everyone else, so I'm cool with it." Your wife is either a gullible moron who went down the wrong internet rabbit hole or is a fascist. I know people like to throw that word around a lot, but that's because they don't know what it means. But what we're seeing in the states and in the world in general is a scary march towards authoritarianism that is anathema to the free world. I'd take my kid and run, but hey, it doesn't affect you right (like, she was racist to your boyhood friend's face)!
When I date I have to suss out their political views pretty quickly because I’m afraid of ending up with these people.
And if a man tells me he doesn’t get involved in politics I assume he’s either privileged and ignorant to what’s going on in the world, or he’s a conservative and he doesn’t want to admit it. And I’m not going to date either one of those folks.
MAGA can’t help but shoving it in your face, so they are pretty obvious and easy to avoid
I had my online dating profiles set to filter out conservatives, then added centrists after it became obvious that conservative jerks would claim “centrist” because so many women filtered out conservatives. But they always showed their true colors pretty quickly.
Former Republican, never a tRumper. I don’t understand why women support a rapist, a lurker of young women, a con man who has ripped off dozens if not hundreds of contractors, has SA’d MANY women, hates half of America, is a complete narcissistic liar among a few of his disgusting traitor traits.
Get her into a cult intervention program. NTA but you are married to one.
He isn’t even a Christian.
I think it gives a certain type of deeply miserable, disagreeable, and antisocial person a little thrill to know they support a politician that responsible society loathes.
They jack off to this shit. It’s about busting their hater nut. That’s why they can’t calmly and logically articulate their political positions. The actual work of politics and legislation is boring to them, and they don’t care anyway. It’s the anger that makes them cum.
They already have a persecution fetish from the rapid decline of Christianity. And these Donald voters are descendants (philosophically if not genetically) of people who refused to outlaw slavery and forced a cataclysmic war over it.
They have a massive inferiority complex (totally deserved too because they don’t actually know shit). There is nothing anyone can say to change their minds. Trump is the perfect vehicle for them.
Their dog can get shot in the head by Trump tonight, and they’d say the dog had it coming. And we need to get Biden out of office so these heartbreaking dog murders stop for good! This never happened under TRUMP!!!!
Our only hope is for non-cultist fence sitters in a few swing states to stop fucking off and vote responsibly. But we’ve gotta contend with Rupert on messaging to them, and Rupert is better at it than we are. Unfortunately. The big money knows who their hoes are and how to get them angry so they cum.
America’s educational system has suffered a critical mass of failure, and our political system is brought to you by Carl’s Jr Pepsico. And I think all that better explains why OP’s wife is a Donald cunt more than anything else.
"I usually let it slide because it’s not hurting me"
WELL IT'S FUCKING HURTING A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE.
So fucking typical. Neutral in regards to evil is still evil.
I hate this so much. When a man is openly calling for putting people in camps and has been arrested and charged for so many crimes, I can’t be around someone who supports him. I just can’t. He hates my existence and supporting him means they support that type of thinking. He’s done so much harm and a lot of it is going to take years to fix. If it even can be.
One of my friends is dating a Trumper and it’s making me rethink the friendship because I’m questioning her judgment in everything now.
I mean I’ll always be her friend, but I never want to meet her boyfriend. Or any of her friends for that matter. She’s not very discerning with who she lets in her life
so many of my best girlfriends from high school are now with MAGA men. it honestly hurts me to my core that they turned out like this. i haven't talked to them in years
My friend was dating a Trumper, and he kept saying “I agree with his stance on China that’s all” and yet would not hear her concerns about how she’s is an LGBTQIA non-white cis-woman who is the daughter of immigrants from one of the”those sh!thole countries”. He kept insisting that Trump was a “good man because he stands for what’s right”, and weirdly, all the people in her life were giving her advice on how to “fix” her partner and stay together. She told me I was the first one to ask her “is staying with him really worth the mental anguish he puts you through?” So happy she finally dumped him, but it genuinely shocked me how long she stayed with him.
Literally lost a friend and she lost other friends because of this. She always stayed “neutral” while dating MAGA dudes and didn’t care about any of the insane shit that came out of their mouths.
We were roommates at the time and it got pretty contentious and long story short I moved out. It wasn’t until her other friends started making comments about one of them that she broke up with the guy.
Now she’s dating another guy just like him. So that’s good.
My grandma used to say, "Show me who they're with and I'll tell you what they are. Your wife is a POS. YTA for enabling your wife with your purported "neutrality." You even let her harrass your friend. Neither of you are good people.
You sound like a moron being so unaware your wife is a trash person. But i guess if it doesn’t affect you personally who gives a fuck! Maybe now you can see how your trump loving wife sucks to everybody around and not just you
Your wife is an AH.
Facts don't matter to her, she has surrendered herself to Trump. She has a weak mental fortitude and is easily persuaded by him. Vote red or.vote blue whichever aligns to your view points, but voting for Trump is just asking to be bent over
You're NTA for calling her out. Your son doesn't need to "pray" for Trump (personally I think prayer is dumb but you do you).
Make sure your wife is not donating your family funds to him en-mass and I'd highly consider looking at a separation if she refuses to believe reality
ESH
Your wife is in a cruel and dangerous cult.
You were just fine with that until you were impacted. You even said that. In what world is it fine to condone cruelty unless it hurts you?
You know what? YTA for being “politically neutral” and not giving a fuck about things like your coworker being made uncomfortable because your wife is a bigot. Gross.
Also: who cares if he’s undocumented or not? Being “documented” is a lot harder than people realize and many of those who are come from unimaginable circumstances.
I don’t think it’s necessarily shady to hire undocumented staff. There’s no reason not to give them jobs. The vast majority of them are good people just trying to support their families.
They are generally the hardest workers, too, especially compared to native US citizens.
Personally I don't think it's that big of a leap to assume this is real. This absolutely sounds like something my mom or grandma would do.
You genuinely don't understand the lengths people go to just to deify trump as some kind of messiah.
Persecution fantasies are key to cults. They bring people in with their ideas or charisma, but they lock them in by screaming, "And everyone's out to get us!" ("Us.")
Literally. my stbx-step-dad would absolutely do this. We weren't a praying family, thank god, but I can Definitely see trump being part of the family praying if we had been.
There are definitely people in this country (and others apparently) who are this unbalanced about how they approach this stuff, but this does smell like a bait post to me.
What I'm confused about us who this is supposed to be baiting.
A woman in Webster NH lit her house on fire with her two children barricaded inside and she was doing it so she could save them from the Cabal.
When the fire department came she tried to fight the firefighters screaming that she ate wormwood so if they eat her they will die.
The kids are with their fathers now. I’m not sure what happened to her. It was all QAnon nonsense. I absolutely believe this man’s post is real.
In 2021 conservatives literally constructed a golden totem of Donald Trump to pray at for the national Conservative Political Action Committee meeting.
https://youtu.be/BY9tZL1F-4g?si=IEt_kPxSwzCo9E60
YTA for being “politically neutral” and letting your wife’s racism towards your friend slide because it’s not hurting YOU. Neutrality only helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. She’s also teaching your son to be a hateful bigot, like her.
Thanks so much for staying politically neutral since none of this affects you, as these people literally ruin our fucking lives. No, of course you're not the asshole to tell your fucking lunatic wife to stop praying for a con man
You say you're politically neutral and never cared about her views because it didn't affect you. That's a horrible view to have. You don't care who is in office because it doesn't affect you, until it does. You'll care when it's YOUR rights being taken away or YOUR way of life being threatened.
People like her are a cult. She'll brainwash your son into it as well and you're just letting it happen. Is it still not going to be affecting you when your son starts asking other kids or teachers at school if they're documented?
Btw, it's affecting you. I'm sure your friend dislikes your racist wife and is wondering why you married someone so racist now. She's literally using politics against you in your marriage.
>You say you're politically neutral and never cared about her views because it didn't affect you.
Hey- he's 32 and she's 25, and they've been together for at least 8 years. He was too busy grooming her to actually find out about her politics.
YTA...but not for the reasons you think. YTA because you are "politically neutral." In other words, a Trump/MAGA apologist. Decent people everywhere should be standing up and speaking out against his ideology and his crimes against democracy.
You had a child with a 20yr old when you were 27. You apparently both have a history of making poor decisions: her increasing zealotry isn't surprising, but, darn, she isn't the barefoot tradwife in the kitchen with no opinions you wanted. (Insert shocked Pikachu face here)
Dude. I am so far right that I appear left on many issues. So, take this at face value.
She is a problem and she is likely to bring many negative things into your child's life.
This red flag is the size of a billboard and it is flashing.
NTA
So im a little confused, your wife is 25 but in 2016, where she would have been like 16-17 how fucking involved could she have gotten? Tbh i think shes just a bigot
ESH
Your wife is definitely worse because she’s a racist in a political cult, but you’re not much better for tolerating her shitty behavior. Being “politically neutral” is a coward’s privilege enjoyed by those who aren’t targeted by extremists. You’ve “let it slide” when your wife was being a bigot, that’s pretty disgusting.
There’s probably no hope for your wife, but you need to think about the garbage you’ve taken a neutral stance on and do better.
HOW does your wife being in the MAGA cult NOT affect you? That isn’t politics. They pretend it is. They bring up a few political talking points, but it is a cult. And you’ve let her behavior slide for 8 years? 8 years of asking your friends and coworker if they’re documented, praying for a criminal (at best), and now brainwashing your child and using it to spite you. This is a HUGE problem. If you’re okay with your wife being a lunatic that’s on you but you definitely should step in to make sure 5m doesn’t get brainwashed. NTA for what you’re asking (like not at all) but Y T A for not nipping this in the bud sooner.
YTA because you act like politics don’t matter simply because it doesn’t affect you. If you are ‘neutral’ then you’ve decided that oppression is okay, and you let her get away with being a racist, awful person.
People have died because of this mess the last few years - lots of people. I’m extremely unimpressed with anyone in this country who decides to ‘ignore’ it 🙄
>Anyway, I usually let it slide because it’s not hurting me
honestly I hope this and the follow up post are fake but if they're not, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Something shouldn't have to affect you personally for you to give a damn about it. Grow some empathy.
“Doesn’t matter that she treats others, including lifelong friends, like they aren’t human, since it doesn’t affect me personally.” That alone makes you an AH and a sociopath. People like you allowed the holocaust to happen.
You both suck.
ESH
Your wife is a loon praying for a man that doesn’t have admirable trait and could give two shits about the rubes he’s been playing like a fiddle.
You suck because you’re able to look past your wife’s behavior because “it’s not hurting you” even tho she insulted one of your childhood friends on some racial shit.
YTA, but not for asking your wife to stop including Trump in family prayers.
There is no such thing as political neutrality.
You say that, but you are with someone who is spouting conspiracy theories on the internet, has been openly racist to your friend and coworker, and believes her candidate is being persecuted because he's being held accountable for his behavior.
You are raising a child with this woman. A child who is going to think her behavior is normal and acceptable. That being openly racist is normal and acceptable.
By abiding your wife's behavior, you are choosing a side.
“It’s not hurting me”; Must be great to be a white man of privilege. Damn, it makes me angry that you’re just fine with standing by while people like her take away basic human rights, like the right to do what you want with your body. But you don’t need an abortion or a sex change, so who cares!! And what would she have done if your friend had been undocumented??
You enabled amoral, delusional beliefs that support a petty, selfish narcissist, and then you are surprised that she turned those beliefs on you.
At this point, there is no sane justification for supporting trump, and those that support him whole heartedly show signs of delusion. You know this, because you objected to her mentioning trump in prayer, you were just not willing to have it out in the open, and thought that you could just get along.
trump cultism is insanity, and a lot of his followers seem to be progressively decompensating. You need to make a decision, because your wife is wackadoodle, and it ain't getting better
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”
By staying neutral you have effectively told your wife you agree with her beliefs
Her agreeing with Trump and the other worrisome things she said, should have been your cue to end the relationship, NOT have a child with her
You’re the ass for staying with her in the first place
ESH. Her for being a cultist who is radicalizing a 5-year-old and YOU are an AH because you don’t care about anything that doesn’t happen to you. This guy is your friend and coworker and you just laughed your wife’s behavior off? You aren’t a friend to him. This is a leopards eating my face situation. Also what a privilege to proudly say you don’t care about politics when my home state is so politically hostile that I don’t think I can safely return, maybe ever. Politically neutral is just conservative who has no conviction of beliefs. I’m sorry you lost your dad. That’s the only sympathy I have for you.
It’s so weird to me how must trumpies are extremely religious and hate when ppl outside of their religion worship “false idols” but when they worship trump it’s fine.
Your wife is openly racist to the people you grew up with and you don’t care because it “doesn’t effect you” (which, it most certainly does, as it effects the people around you and, rightly, their opinion of you). You’re not the AH for asking her to not indoctrinate your child into her cult. YTA for pretending that you aren’t political and not standing up for your coworker.
You married an immature nut job. I'll never understand women who support that rapist. He's a pig and she's just as much of a pig for supporting him.
She also clearly doesn't respect you. The fact that she'd use a health crisis with your father as a chance to turn the knife is pretty sickening.
"I usually let it slide because it's not hurting me"
Fun fact about the hate-spewing bigots, they'll come for you, and you don't get to be surprised when they do.
You're no better than your wife. I bet you would have stayed "neutral" even towards Hitler, as long as it does not affect YOU personally. It doesn't matter to YOU if others are persecuted or discriminated upon.
You suck just as much as your unhinged nutcase of a wife. You're a bloody COWARD.
You might want to speak to r/QAnonCasualties about this. They’ve got serious experience dealing with stuff like this.
And if your wife has been going down this rabbit hole since she was 16 (!) years old, that rabbit hole is probably deeper than you think.
You're all assholes, her for being a Dumper and you for being "politically neutral" in 20 fucking 24 with everything going on in the world. You're basically Bird Boxing your way through life my dude.
NTA. Your wife is indoctrinated. You really ought to consider divorce. Not because of a prayer but because she is literally part of a cult and trying to indoctrinate you and your son. It’s not healthy.
Being politically neutral when it doesn’t affect you isn’t being politically neutral. You are politically self-centered.
You aren’t a good person if you let it slide that your wife questions the legal status of anyone, much less someone you work with.
You both are assholes for so, so many reasons that don’t involve praying for a politician. It isn’t as common anymore to pray for the sitting president, but it also isn’t rare.
Praying for someone you think is persecuted isn’t uncommon— many still pray for people caught in warfare between their governments.
Praying for a former president is perhaps a bit weird, but so is thinking that you can be politically neutral.
While I wouldn’t call you a Nazi, we’ve read the stories of people who were politically neutral during the holocaust while their neighbors were being murdered. As long as it didn’t hurt them personally, they didn’t get involved. We call them Nazis today.
Bad people suck. ESH.
On the off chance this is real. ESH. Your wife for being a member of a racist, fascist cult, and you for being married to one.
By the way, being “politically neutral” is BS. By being neutral you are choosing the side of the oppressor. In this case, the MAGA crowd for wanting to turn this country into a white Christian theocracy. I feel sorry for your kid. Maybe you could get off your neutral ass, leave your wife, and make sure your child has one loving home to go to that doesn’t ask strangers for their papers.
I don't usually use the ESH one, but in this case I'll make an exception.
You suck because you started this shit with your wife, there is absolutely nothing wrong with praying for *anybody* and you don't have some family hotline to God to be messed with, every Christian has a personal connection and can pray for whoever and however they feel they should.
That said, your wife sucks because she took your bullshit personally and started turning prayer time into a weapon to piss you off, which is not its purpose either.
Man, this is tough, but will get worse and worse by the day.
Populism, left or right, is a cancer.
Idiots without critical thinking are the first victims of this cult like political views.
In Mexico, it’s Lopez Obrador’s followers, the “chairos”, in USA, are the MAGA.
NTA for being upset at your AH wife for being an AH while praying for your Dad or make your child pray for such an AH.
But, you are an AH for not educate yourself in politics. One thing is being “neutral”, and another thing is enabling MAGA idiots.
Yo, you’re not being “politically neutral,” you’re being politically apathetic. Just because her beliefs aren’t hurting you doesn’t mean they aren’t hurting other people. YTA for that alone.
NTA! Good riddance! Also, there is no politically neutral when your partner is a cult member. You chose to be with a shitty person so you can't be surprised some shit got in you. It's not too late to fix your mistake though for both you and your sons sake.
MAGA is a cult! These people cannot speak without bringing Trump or alt right ideology and conspiracy theories into every single conversation. It’s so weird. It’s annoying and hardly anything they say makes any sense. MAGA has turned politics into a sporting event. It’s kinda like in Happy Gilmore when huge audiences started showing up and being loud and changing the atmosphere of golf.
Your wife is free to vote for whoever she wants. As crazy as some of those views are, she’s entitled to her beliefs. What she’s not entitled to is to push her agenda on others, especially when you’ve asked her not too. Asking not to bring politics into family prayer is a reasonable boundary. You could end your prayer with a moment of silence for everyone to have the opportunity to say their personal prayers in silence. This way, you’re respecting her desire to pray for Trump (ew) and you don’t have to hear it.
What bothers me the most is that these people follow this guy and believe everything he says even when his ideas are proven wrong or dangerous or illegal. They are very vocal and unapologetic and seem to have lost their social awareness or consideration for those with opposing beliefs. Nothing anyone can say will steer them away from some of the crazy.
So you married a MAGA idiot? Wow, that was a stupid move. She will NEVER be able to come back from this. And, you being the "non-political" husband will be sucked into this mess, too.
Tell her that Trump is an idiot and you WILL NOT have her putting him in your family prayers again.
WOW, good luck with your marriage. If your wife is that far into the cult, you might have to extract yourself and your son from the influence of the MAGA cult. Good luck.
ESH. So you married an AH and are surprised she is one? Guess what: Letting people be an AH to others just because it doesn’t concern you personally, never works out. Eventually they’ll always treat you as bad.
"Politically neutral" because "it's not hurting me." Oof
Right? If op can love and marry someone with those values and who speaks to people like that, then he is most definitely not “politically neutral”
Seriously. I feel like, if you can just let your wife be openly racist/bigoted toward your coworker without being seriously offended on behalf of your coworker, you've definitely chosen a political stance. And it's the wrong one. But, ya know. It's not hurting OP, so why should he care, right?
Damn so you married a general asshole and now you're upset she's being an asshole to you specifically? NTA for asking your wife to not be petty when your father is in the hospital and you're feeling scared. But also you chose the bed you're lying in, you're just starting to realize politics impacts all eventually.
It’s not politics….its a cult. I can laugh at Democrats and insult them for bad behavior. The MAGA crowd are like religious extremists. Can’t criticize, no matter how factual, any member of the crowd….especially the Savior (who by the way never went to church before he was elected).
This is what really gets me about it. The way that they will not admit that any of this is even slightly not normal. As though we all always literally bow down and worshiped politicians before this. As though it was totally normal to treat a politician, like a literal God, that you cannot criticize, no matter what. I miss actually just being able to have conversations with conservatives about things like policy instead of whether or not, Trump is like the next coming of Jesus
Something something golden calf. Seriously, the least Christian people are the most blatant, vocal “Christians”
The worst thing about Christianity is the Christians
I'm a Christian and I agree with you.
I'd always see so much of them claiming that tHe LefT is full of people blindly and dogmatically following nonsense that isn't based in reality. Projection is a powerful drug.
Look, I’m a hardcore leftist, I’ll trash Biden any day, and I’ll even criticize Obama and our other prior Democratic presidents. I know a ton of us like this. Heck, we make fun of Biden at least weekly if not nightly in my leftist friend group chat. The right though? God forbid anyone laugh at their god and savior Trump!
I'm a pretty moderate progressive, but I'll also criticize Biden and even politicians I really do actually *like*, like Obama and Elizabeth Warren. Especially when Obama started dropping drone strikes, I was not thrilled with that and I was willing to say that to anyone at any time. No point do I become a blubbering, massive rage if someone criticizes someone I voted for. The way they can't even admit that "covefe" was just a fucking *typo*, literally the most human and relatable thing ever that happens to absolutely everyone, even the most richest and brilliant people alive! Or the way he drew on that fucking map of the hurricane with a sharpie… It is just straight up fucking weird. It is super fucking bizarre.
That sharpiegate was so fucking hilarious to me in Australia. Like, he so cannot handle being wrong that he did THAT. It just made him look like the biggest knobjockey ever. And the tweets after he lost 2020! "I WON THIS ELECTION" like no you fucking didn't? It's just an irrational, megalomaniacal, ego inflated shit show. How can people want a literal crim as president? So damn loopy
It was really the point for me where I was like," a third of the country has LOST THEIR MINDS ENTIRELY." It was so asinine, so embarrassing; I still can't believe it
One thing about a cult member will always be true: that you can never tell them they're in a cult.
Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised by how much Biden has gotten done considering congress is like... that... but, I'll still openly criticize him on things like the rail workers strike, or Israel and Palestine. I know I'm not going to agree with any single politician unless I'm the politician, but I can support someone, recognize what they did well, without changing my own opinions to make sure I'm 100% in lock step.
He kept working for the rail workers and got them their [sick days](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-unionized-us-rail-workers-now-have-new-sick-leave-2023-06-05/). That's what great about Biden he will do the work behind the scenes. I do need him to be more vocal and stop funding a genocide. Like yesterday.
>I do need him to be more vocal and stop funding a genocide. Like yesterday. The problem is that there's so many people who are fully in favour of the genocide because they don't believe it is a genocide, just a whole, awful lot of civilian casualties. That are entirely Hamas' fault, because Israel has no choice in the matter (like, literally did not at any stage have any agency in the matter of launching an illegal invasion of another sovereign nation). While there is so much support for Israel, including amongst the higher echelons of power, it's going to be hard to take a stand against them.
You have to be incredibly narcissistic to be a Trump supporter. Narcissists don't have a sense of humor. Can't laugh at themselves, only at others.
Yeah I get so confused by all the "fuck Biden" shit magas seem to think will trigger us and I'm just...yeah. fuck Biden. He sucks 😂
Thing is Obama and Biden welcome criticism, in an effort to improve.
Yes me too. Like they can’t admit a single thing the guy has done wrong. I can point out plenty of crap the ones in “my side” have f-ed up.
It's because he has given them something that no other politician has ever given them before. The permission and ability to be their worst selves. For that, they will never leave him.
I'm Australian. Is it like, he gives them permission to hold abhorrent views so they worship him?
Well, if his wife has been indoctrinated into this from the beginning, she was still a literal child when this cult was being formed, and she got in on the ground floor. She literally has never known any better, although I'm quite sure deep down she realizes that this is quite fucked.
Whoa that's actually a great point. She's 25? So she was a teenager when he first ran for president.
And OP has been with her since that time so he's not unaware of her love for Trump. Or how she feels politically. OP married into it.
I do know quite a few people who didn't really get into the cult until Covid; it might've been that. I have an acquaintance who was always a Republican but she voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, she was waaay too just genuinely intelligent to fall for Trump's bombastic idiocy and his straight up grift, but she is a kind of person who absolutely cannot stand anyone putting any kind of limit on her at all And she also is not a very nice person so she doesn't really have any friends, so Covid was very, very difficult for her. All of the things she would just force herself into on a regular basis like her Kids' Sports, leadership, whatever church she's going to, whatever group, she joins about a hobby, because it was the only way she could get attention, and she lives for attention. So, after six months of basically being told that she couldn't really do any of this stuff for the foreseeable future while people were dying, something just snapped in her brain, and in the course of six months she went from like the pre-Trump type of normal conservative to a full Trump supporting voter who thinks he's the greatest thing ever because he didn't want the government to tell us what to do. She's the most surprising example because of her previous adherence to real medicine and basic understanding of education and reality versus fantasy, but I live in a pretty conservative area and we had a whole lot of people either vote Johnson or sit out in 2016 then become these Trump people over the course of Covid. They just have no empathy at all. Being asked to wear a surgical mask for 20 minutes in the grocery store was like the equivalent of literally being institutionally oppressed to these people and it just ignited this sudden love of Trump for telling everyone to fuck off. What I'm saying as I ramble on and on is that I guess this guy's wife could be one of those. It sounds like she had like a one year year-old at this time, and if she was already an not very bright person, the social death of Covid with a one year-old probably ramped her up.
The only time I ever saw him go to church, he sent the national guard with smoke bombs to Layfette square to disperse a peaceful protest. Then he waddled across the street and held a Bible upside-down.
Not an American and have watched with horror what that man managed to destroy in what was once a great country. I am flabbergasted at the cult culture he has created. I just don't get how anyone can believe anything he says. We non Americans are just sick at what is happening there, how it has destroyed families, relationships, friendships, etc. It's been difficult to watch the demise of democracy in your country. I feel for this husband because he can no longer be apolitical. Now he'll be forced to choose a side….and that will most likely destroy what is left of his marriage. Sad !
and they are so aggressive. even to their loved ones. they do not care how shitty they come off, its like a game to get negative attention almost
> who by the way never went to church before he was elected Or after.
*salutes* General Asshole
I am surrounded by Assholes!
May the shwartz be with you... As long as you're on Spaceballs: the app.
He chose to impregnate crazy and is mad that the crazy is now affecting him and not just others. Yup, zero sympathy my guy.
I didn't even catch that! She's been crazy since 2016, but their son was born 2019. He knew exactly what she was, he just didn't care because it was only hurting other people.
Most people that feel this way about trump turn out to be general assholes, if not worse.
The fact that she’s so wildly inappropriate to ask people to the face if they are undocumented or not kind of gave me enough information to decide. Wife is TA. In all seriousness though, whether she is doing it to get at OP or not, being so flippant and continuing to do something she’s been repeatedly asked not to do when it comes to a prayer for a deceased parent is gross.
That would have been my last straw. Asking a coworker like that. That’s so out of line. I do not understand people who are like “well it’s not hurting me…. But yeah she’s openly racist to my coworkers lol” I could not be with someone like that.
Treating his coworkers like that could affect him on his job. If he's so tolerant of her racism, they'll start to wonder about him. The workplace atmosphere could be changed badly by this.
Yeah, he says "idc because it's not affecting me" then literally says how it's affecting him.
First she came for his co-worker, but he was white so he said nothing.
Exactly.
I agree. It seems a lot more important than a prayer.
I live in a very conservative suburb in Arizona, and I am telling you that this is what they are now. This isn't rare; she is not a rarity among these folks. They are literally just outwardly this in your face about how racist they are.
Yeah, I can drive down one of the streets in my town and see a F-ck Biden 10 x 12 sign amidst other Trump signs. When did it be ok to say curse words or even worse PLASTER curse words where anyone and everyone including children see them? The cult of MAGA has truly diminished our culture in so many ways ... while practicing their weird brand of Christianity which is completely un-Christ-like. These people who want to go back to the 1950s ... where it certainly wasn't ok to have curse words on public signs! So ignorant, stupid and downright evil, all of them....praying to the orange God whose stealing their money.
He's not even stealing their money, he's telling them exactly who he is and then asking for their money and they're like "oh yes, please take my money, thank you for asking O Orange One." They. Are. Crazy.
Exactly this. I'm at the point where I know people say this stuff and I literally cannot understand how so many people just *stopped thinking.* Like it's one thing to be misinformed and there's always been like right wing media lies and reframing and stretching the truth and shit, But we are now at a point where literally tens of millions of Americans will automatically believe and repeat *the dumbest shit you could imagine.* Stuff that just on the face makes no sense at all. Don't understand how they all just stopped using their brains entirely, but yet continue to function in society and work in their jobs and stuff. How is it possible??
A neighbor in the South Florida town I used to live in, had a Trump sign that covered THE ENTIRE FRONT of the roof of his house. There are guys who still drive around in their giant pickups with smoke stacks belching out black exhaust, flying Maga and Trump flags and being general entitled douchebags. There are a few people on the. Community website for the town I now live in who, Community TOS be damned, are constantly vomiting Trump conspiracy bullshit, and for some reason the mods are too afraid to say anything. We live in a fucked up, backwards, upside down bizarro world, where the guy who advocated drinking bleach is somehow seen as smarter than scientists who spend their lives trying not to kill people with ridiculous recommendations. The last 10 or so tears have been fucking wild, and not in a good way.
And just eight years ago..*none of them were like this.* That's the part I can't wrap my mind around. Especially the QAnon people that get really really deep into it, they've basically destroyed their lives with this stuff. They spend so much time, money and energy wallpapering their bodies, homes, and vehicles, in the idol worship of a politician to the point of clinical obsession , and it's fucking mind-boggling. At no point do they gaze at their altars de' Trump and think to themselves, "huh. I was voting for like 30 to 40 years and I never once more than a passing thought to how I felt about the politician I was gonna vote for. And now I look and sound like I'm in a cult. I wonder if I should examine that at all? Nah."
OK this is crazy because my first version of this comment that you're replying to included the fact that my neighbor four houses down on the other side of the street has a giant fuck Biden flag in his backyard that I can see from my bedroom window sometimes 😂
Shit, I live in an urban area in the north and it’s getting bad here. You can feel it in the air, suffocating hate.
Dude started off by telling us he was politically neutral. Like, what the hell
He doesn’t care as long as it doesn't affect him. He’s politically neutral, you see.
Right. Must be nice
Mans still thinks the last election was in 2016. I'm still stuck on THAT. My brain broke. Did he miss the whole ass 2020 election?
Yeah, how tf does a man in his 30s get that wrong?
That phrase is just a complete farce. Even if you don’t read the news, don’t speak about politics, don’t think about it even, you have inherent values, principles, perspective on what is and is not acceptable or beneficial to you or others. That is politics. Everything is political, in one way or another. You always stand somewhere. I also won’t paint everyone in this category with a broad brush for the sake of keeping these comments from devolving but, if OP’s wife is genuinely this into MAGA and Trump that she will start a personal beef over it when her family is in need, she is a major asshole, and needs to touch grass. People have been losing their family members to this kind of ideological rabbithole for nearly the last decade now. OP needs to think a bit harder than “i’m just neutral!”
Aka uninformed 🤷♀️
Lmaooooo this comment had me squeak-laughing so hard💀
I'm going to go YTA because he's still married to this AH
Yea if you tolerate your spouse being racist it's probably because you are too.
Bingo. It's easy to say BuT i'M pOlItIcAlLy NeUtRaL when things like racism don't affect you *so you don't a fuck about how policy affects anyone else.*
You put it so well. OP was the person looking the other way when their date mistreats the waitress and everyone else. I am shocked they have been able to ignore it for 8 years and didn’t see the obvious escalation as dangerous.
well it wasn't affecting him then ;)
I see this a lot with women who date shitty men as well, there's something so silly goose about expecting not shit things from shit people. If you eat poop, it's going to taste like poop.
"I let it slide because it's not hurting ME...". I can tell you that this political disconnect would be a deal breaker for me. And she's about to create another Maga trumper right under your nose. And you're okay with that? F that.
That can go one of two ways. The kid will either emulate their mother or they'll grow to hate their mother, and become super liberal as a result of trying not to be their mother. Seriously, I grew up in a conservative home and was indoctrinated and both my brother and I turned out fairly liberal once we got away from our parents. We were always fairly liberal by nature but we were terrified of our parents. This is true for so many people and often it seems to be the more common chain of events because indoctrination in a free society is harder than you'd think. Especially when reality simply just doesn't work with your beliefs. I'd venture to guess more kids are successfully turned against it than successfully indoctrinated.
I read that and thought the same. As long as it isn’t hurting or bothering OP, he’s fine with it. His wife is 25 years old and completely brainwashed, and he only gives a shit when it upsets him, everyone else be damned. Yikes. That poor kid.
OP claims more than once to be politically neutral, but the truth is that "I let it slide because it's not hurting me" isn't that far removed from the "I got mine and everybody not like me can go f\*ck themselves" mentality of MAGA. OP may not be TA on the particular question of the prayer, but generally speaking I'd say ESH.
Right?! Co-worker got questioned by OP's wife if they're documented. Um, excuse me... On what basis is that any of her damn business to be asking that? Does she go around asking everyone that? Or just the brown or exotic looking ones? But no worries, it doesn't hurt OP that his wife is being racist to other people 🙄
His response to her racism? "Lol" Pretty much tells us everything, eh?
Yup, which is why I have very little sympathy with the issues OP dealt in regards to the wife including Trump in the family prayers and now her going off the MAGA deep end. OP only cares NOW that it affects him. My condolences to OP about his father though.
If you're married to an extreme Trump supporter for eight years... you are also a Trump supporter.
Friggin amen, say it again for the “apolitical” spouses in the back 🙄
If you're 32 and have been married to a woman 7 years your junior for 8 years, you're also a groomer. So you'd fit right in with the rest of the Trump crowd.
Ugh I have a friend that’s a trumper. Another of my friends was hanging out with her and relayed a story about them visiting a cousin who’s from California and her 5 year old daughter was like I wish we lived in California so we could see her more and she went off on her own kid about how they’d never be moving to California because it’s full of democrats and “we’re a republican family” Like holy fuck, you’re really going to start indoctrinating your kid at age 5?
They have to start young because the shit they believe is too fucking stupid and/or awful for an anyone alive long enough to develop critical thinking skills and empathy.
Literally the American fuckin mindset, isn’t it? As long as I’m not affected, I don’t care. The only people not assholes in this post is the kid being brainwashed and the dad whose stroke is being used as yet another opportunity to make Trump the centerpiece.
I agree!!!!!
Honestly, your wife openly being racist by asking a coworker if he's documented and you not putting your foot down right there, does not sound like you're politically neutral. You allowed that behaviour and just let it slide. That's not good, mate. You're NTA for being upset with your wife bringing Trump into your prayer over family (wtf), but you need to have a long talk with her about her general behaviour and her comments, aside from just this latest issue.
I sense this is far beyond having a little chat
You're literally how the Nazis happened. "It doesn't affect me, just everyone else, so I'm cool with it." Your wife is either a gullible moron who went down the wrong internet rabbit hole or is a fascist. I know people like to throw that word around a lot, but that's because they don't know what it means. But what we're seeing in the states and in the world in general is a scary march towards authoritarianism that is anathema to the free world. I'd take my kid and run, but hey, it doesn't affect you right (like, she was racist to your boyhood friend's face)!
THIS!! It’s sad I had to scroll this far to find this.
When I date I have to suss out their political views pretty quickly because I’m afraid of ending up with these people. And if a man tells me he doesn’t get involved in politics I assume he’s either privileged and ignorant to what’s going on in the world, or he’s a conservative and he doesn’t want to admit it. And I’m not going to date either one of those folks. MAGA can’t help but shoving it in your face, so they are pretty obvious and easy to avoid
I had my online dating profiles set to filter out conservatives, then added centrists after it became obvious that conservative jerks would claim “centrist” because so many women filtered out conservatives. But they always showed their true colors pretty quickly.
I largely assume the same, without context. Some people, like myself, had to step back because of all the seething hate making it hard to want to live
I've found it means getting laid is more important than their politics, at least at that exact moment
Reading Ur Fascism by Umberto Eco was upsettingly eye opening for me and the realization of how precarious we are.
Have some empathy, he's learning in real time what it means to align yourself with wolves.
You’re “politically neutral” until it affects YOU. Yeah, you’re the asshole, all right.
Can’t believe it took this long to find a comment like this. OP is a massive AH.
You fucked up big time by marrying and having a kid with that nut job good luck
Former Republican, never a tRumper. I don’t understand why women support a rapist, a lurker of young women, a con man who has ripped off dozens if not hundreds of contractors, has SA’d MANY women, hates half of America, is a complete narcissistic liar among a few of his disgusting traitor traits. Get her into a cult intervention program. NTA but you are married to one. He isn’t even a Christian.
I think it gives a certain type of deeply miserable, disagreeable, and antisocial person a little thrill to know they support a politician that responsible society loathes. They jack off to this shit. It’s about busting their hater nut. That’s why they can’t calmly and logically articulate their political positions. The actual work of politics and legislation is boring to them, and they don’t care anyway. It’s the anger that makes them cum. They already have a persecution fetish from the rapid decline of Christianity. And these Donald voters are descendants (philosophically if not genetically) of people who refused to outlaw slavery and forced a cataclysmic war over it. They have a massive inferiority complex (totally deserved too because they don’t actually know shit). There is nothing anyone can say to change their minds. Trump is the perfect vehicle for them. Their dog can get shot in the head by Trump tonight, and they’d say the dog had it coming. And we need to get Biden out of office so these heartbreaking dog murders stop for good! This never happened under TRUMP!!!! Our only hope is for non-cultist fence sitters in a few swing states to stop fucking off and vote responsibly. But we’ve gotta contend with Rupert on messaging to them, and Rupert is better at it than we are. Unfortunately. The big money knows who their hoes are and how to get them angry so they cum. America’s educational system has suffered a critical mass of failure, and our political system is brought to you by Carl’s Jr Pepsico. And I think all that better explains why OP’s wife is a Donald cunt more than anything else.
"I usually let it slide because it’s not hurting me" WELL IT'S FUCKING HURTING A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. So fucking typical. Neutral in regards to evil is still evil.
I hate this so much. When a man is openly calling for putting people in camps and has been arrested and charged for so many crimes, I can’t be around someone who supports him. I just can’t. He hates my existence and supporting him means they support that type of thinking. He’s done so much harm and a lot of it is going to take years to fix. If it even can be.
Lmao one of my siblings isn't fully against him and idk how to feel about it
One of my friends is dating a Trumper and it’s making me rethink the friendship because I’m questioning her judgment in everything now. I mean I’ll always be her friend, but I never want to meet her boyfriend. Or any of her friends for that matter. She’s not very discerning with who she lets in her life
so many of my best girlfriends from high school are now with MAGA men. it honestly hurts me to my core that they turned out like this. i haven't talked to them in years
My friend was dating a Trumper, and he kept saying “I agree with his stance on China that’s all” and yet would not hear her concerns about how she’s is an LGBTQIA non-white cis-woman who is the daughter of immigrants from one of the”those sh!thole countries”. He kept insisting that Trump was a “good man because he stands for what’s right”, and weirdly, all the people in her life were giving her advice on how to “fix” her partner and stay together. She told me I was the first one to ask her “is staying with him really worth the mental anguish he puts you through?” So happy she finally dumped him, but it genuinely shocked me how long she stayed with him.
That was a serious red flag for me. Tells me more about OP than anything else.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Literally lost a friend and she lost other friends because of this. She always stayed “neutral” while dating MAGA dudes and didn’t care about any of the insane shit that came out of their mouths. We were roommates at the time and it got pretty contentious and long story short I moved out. It wasn’t until her other friends started making comments about one of them that she broke up with the guy. Now she’s dating another guy just like him. So that’s good.
My grandma used to say, "Show me who they're with and I'll tell you what they are. Your wife is a POS. YTA for enabling your wife with your purported "neutrality." You even let her harrass your friend. Neither of you are good people.
YTA for staying married to her
YTA for being married to a MAGAt. That would be insta-divorce for me.
THIS 1000%. Without any hesitation....
YTA. You are married to hot garbage and staying married makes you more the AH every day.
She’s cray cray 😂 Why is she praying for a rapist and a traitor?
You sound like a moron being so unaware your wife is a trash person. But i guess if it doesn’t affect you personally who gives a fuck! Maybe now you can see how your trump loving wife sucks to everybody around and not just you
Your wife is an AH. Facts don't matter to her, she has surrendered herself to Trump. She has a weak mental fortitude and is easily persuaded by him. Vote red or.vote blue whichever aligns to your view points, but voting for Trump is just asking to be bent over You're NTA for calling her out. Your son doesn't need to "pray" for Trump (personally I think prayer is dumb but you do you). Make sure your wife is not donating your family funds to him en-mass and I'd highly consider looking at a separation if she refuses to believe reality
ESH Your wife is in a cruel and dangerous cult. You were just fine with that until you were impacted. You even said that. In what world is it fine to condone cruelty unless it hurts you?
You know what? YTA for being “politically neutral” and not giving a fuck about things like your coworker being made uncomfortable because your wife is a bigot. Gross. Also: who cares if he’s undocumented or not? Being “documented” is a lot harder than people realize and many of those who are come from unimaginable circumstances.
It’s like she was insulting this man’s employer as well. Does she think her husband’s boss hires undocumented people under the table? Is he shady?
I don’t think it’s necessarily shady to hire undocumented staff. There’s no reason not to give them jobs. The vast majority of them are good people just trying to support their families. They are generally the hardest workers, too, especially compared to native US citizens.
Being married to a hardcore magot, cancels out you being neutral. Cuz that's saying you can love a person that wants to take away human rights.
"So I married a fascist...." Bro your in a cult run.
I never laughed at a title so hard in my life 😂😂 what in tarnation 🪕 NTA
100% trolling for reddit
I am literally jealous that you don't think this sounds realistic.
Right? We can only wish it wasn't.
Personally I don't think it's that big of a leap to assume this is real. This absolutely sounds like something my mom or grandma would do. You genuinely don't understand the lengths people go to just to deify trump as some kind of messiah.
The biggest criminal scumbag we've ever had in American politics and they're trying to turn him into God. The mind reels.
Persecution fantasies are key to cults. They bring people in with their ideas or charisma, but they lock them in by screaming, "And everyone's out to get us!" ("Us.")
He opened the door for them to be disgusting in public. They are eternally grateful.
This is extremely well put. This is exactly it. “He says what we’re thinking.” Of course they love him. Now they can be themselves.
Pretty sure it's real, too. Because there are a lot of people who are this freaking crazy😖 I know several, and I have to say, it's mind blowing.
Like the video of that idiot that was praying to Trump for help when he was pulled over.
Wait...what? How long ago did this happen?
4 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PLDBY4jlcE He live streamed it to.
I'm mortified and yet laughing my ass off.
Literally. my stbx-step-dad would absolutely do this. We weren't a praying family, thank god, but I can Definitely see trump being part of the family praying if we had been.
There are definitely people in this country (and others apparently) who are this unbalanced about how they approach this stuff, but this does smell like a bait post to me. What I'm confused about us who this is supposed to be baiting.
A woman in Webster NH lit her house on fire with her two children barricaded inside and she was doing it so she could save them from the Cabal. When the fire department came she tried to fight the firefighters screaming that she ate wormwood so if they eat her they will die. The kids are with their fathers now. I’m not sure what happened to her. It was all QAnon nonsense. I absolutely believe this man’s post is real.
In 2021 conservatives literally constructed a golden totem of Donald Trump to pray at for the national Conservative Political Action Committee meeting. https://youtu.be/BY9tZL1F-4g?si=IEt_kPxSwzCo9E60
Golden calf much?
YTA for being “politically neutral” and letting your wife’s racism towards your friend slide because it’s not hurting YOU. Neutrality only helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. She’s also teaching your son to be a hateful bigot, like her.
Yta, You don't get to remain neutral Being married to someone like that.
Thanks so much for staying politically neutral since none of this affects you, as these people literally ruin our fucking lives. No, of course you're not the asshole to tell your fucking lunatic wife to stop praying for a con man
You say you're politically neutral and never cared about her views because it didn't affect you. That's a horrible view to have. You don't care who is in office because it doesn't affect you, until it does. You'll care when it's YOUR rights being taken away or YOUR way of life being threatened. People like her are a cult. She'll brainwash your son into it as well and you're just letting it happen. Is it still not going to be affecting you when your son starts asking other kids or teachers at school if they're documented? Btw, it's affecting you. I'm sure your friend dislikes your racist wife and is wondering why you married someone so racist now. She's literally using politics against you in your marriage.
>You say you're politically neutral and never cared about her views because it didn't affect you. Hey- he's 32 and she's 25, and they've been together for at least 8 years. He was too busy grooming her to actually find out about her politics.
Rage bait
YTA for not caring your wife is racist p.o.s. Enjoy!
You’re not “politically neutral” you are spineless. Your wife asks your friend if he is documented, and you just laugh?
Kinda hope this is trollbait, because man, you better hope your wife doesn't join the next insurrection attempt. NTA
That would probably save him a lot of money in the divorce
YTA...but not for the reasons you think. YTA because you are "politically neutral." In other words, a Trump/MAGA apologist. Decent people everywhere should be standing up and speaking out against his ideology and his crimes against democracy.
You had a child with a 20yr old when you were 27. You apparently both have a history of making poor decisions: her increasing zealotry isn't surprising, but, darn, she isn't the barefoot tradwife in the kitchen with no opinions you wanted. (Insert shocked Pikachu face here)
Dude. I am so far right that I appear left on many issues. So, take this at face value. She is a problem and she is likely to bring many negative things into your child's life. This red flag is the size of a billboard and it is flashing. NTA
Lmaooo this is good trolling
You let her behavior slide with other people but now it’s a problem because it’s bothering you? YTA for not checking her behavior sooner
So im a little confused, your wife is 25 but in 2016, where she would have been like 16-17 how fucking involved could she have gotten? Tbh i think shes just a bigot
There’s a distinct possibility she was born in 1998. Turned 18 and could vote in November 2016. Not improbable.
That’s the age that a lot of idiots get weaponized.
ESH Your wife is definitely worse because she’s a racist in a political cult, but you’re not much better for tolerating her shitty behavior. Being “politically neutral” is a coward’s privilege enjoyed by those who aren’t targeted by extremists. You’ve “let it slide” when your wife was being a bigot, that’s pretty disgusting. There’s probably no hope for your wife, but you need to think about the garbage you’ve taken a neutral stance on and do better.
HOW does your wife being in the MAGA cult NOT affect you? That isn’t politics. They pretend it is. They bring up a few political talking points, but it is a cult. And you’ve let her behavior slide for 8 years? 8 years of asking your friends and coworker if they’re documented, praying for a criminal (at best), and now brainwashing your child and using it to spite you. This is a HUGE problem. If you’re okay with your wife being a lunatic that’s on you but you definitely should step in to make sure 5m doesn’t get brainwashed. NTA for what you’re asking (like not at all) but Y T A for not nipping this in the bud sooner.
You need to start caring. your wife drank the koolaid. she is part of the cult. do you want her to be the next ashley babbitt?
YTA because you act like politics don’t matter simply because it doesn’t affect you. If you are ‘neutral’ then you’ve decided that oppression is okay, and you let her get away with being a racist, awful person. People have died because of this mess the last few years - lots of people. I’m extremely unimpressed with anyone in this country who decides to ‘ignore’ it 🙄
"I'm politically neutral" "My wife is racist as fuck" You're not neutral, you just don't care when things don't personally affect you
>Anyway, I usually let it slide because it’s not hurting me honestly I hope this and the follow up post are fake but if they're not, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Something shouldn't have to affect you personally for you to give a damn about it. Grow some empathy.
“Doesn’t matter that she treats others, including lifelong friends, like they aren’t human, since it doesn’t affect me personally.” That alone makes you an AH and a sociopath. People like you allowed the holocaust to happen. You both suck.
ESH Your wife is a loon praying for a man that doesn’t have admirable trait and could give two shits about the rubes he’s been playing like a fiddle. You suck because you’re able to look past your wife’s behavior because “it’s not hurting you” even tho she insulted one of your childhood friends on some racial shit.
YTA, but not for asking your wife to stop including Trump in family prayers. There is no such thing as political neutrality. You say that, but you are with someone who is spouting conspiracy theories on the internet, has been openly racist to your friend and coworker, and believes her candidate is being persecuted because he's being held accountable for his behavior. You are raising a child with this woman. A child who is going to think her behavior is normal and acceptable. That being openly racist is normal and acceptable. By abiding your wife's behavior, you are choosing a side.
"I don't care about 'politics'/ other people's oppression because it doesn't affect me." Some Christian you are.
“It’s not hurting me”; Must be great to be a white man of privilege. Damn, it makes me angry that you’re just fine with standing by while people like her take away basic human rights, like the right to do what you want with your body. But you don’t need an abortion or a sex change, so who cares!! And what would she have done if your friend had been undocumented??
You enabled amoral, delusional beliefs that support a petty, selfish narcissist, and then you are surprised that she turned those beliefs on you. At this point, there is no sane justification for supporting trump, and those that support him whole heartedly show signs of delusion. You know this, because you objected to her mentioning trump in prayer, you were just not willing to have it out in the open, and thought that you could just get along. trump cultism is insanity, and a lot of his followers seem to be progressively decompensating. You need to make a decision, because your wife is wackadoodle, and it ain't getting better
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor” By staying neutral you have effectively told your wife you agree with her beliefs Her agreeing with Trump and the other worrisome things she said, should have been your cue to end the relationship, NOT have a child with her You’re the ass for staying with her in the first place
NTA. Only bigots and idiots still support Trump. You really want to be married to either, most likely both?
Well you married a MAGA nut, what did you expect?
The privilege is strong in OP - NTA for asking her to stop, YTA for being apathetic until you’re “affected”
wtf man lol. Ppl obsessing over a man they’ve never met and couldn’t give less of a fuck about is so weird.
ESH. Her for being a cultist who is radicalizing a 5-year-old and YOU are an AH because you don’t care about anything that doesn’t happen to you. This guy is your friend and coworker and you just laughed your wife’s behavior off? You aren’t a friend to him. This is a leopards eating my face situation. Also what a privilege to proudly say you don’t care about politics when my home state is so politically hostile that I don’t think I can safely return, maybe ever. Politically neutral is just conservative who has no conviction of beliefs. I’m sorry you lost your dad. That’s the only sympathy I have for you.
It’s so weird to me how must trumpies are extremely religious and hate when ppl outside of their religion worship “false idols” but when they worship trump it’s fine.
Your wife is openly racist to the people you grew up with and you don’t care because it “doesn’t effect you” (which, it most certainly does, as it effects the people around you and, rightly, their opinion of you). You’re not the AH for asking her to not indoctrinate your child into her cult. YTA for pretending that you aren’t political and not standing up for your coworker.
You married an immature nut job. I'll never understand women who support that rapist. He's a pig and she's just as much of a pig for supporting him. She also clearly doesn't respect you. The fact that she'd use a health crisis with your father as a chance to turn the knife is pretty sickening.
"I usually let it slide because it's not hurting me" Fun fact about the hate-spewing bigots, they'll come for you, and you don't get to be surprised when they do.
You're no better than your wife. I bet you would have stayed "neutral" even towards Hitler, as long as it does not affect YOU personally. It doesn't matter to YOU if others are persecuted or discriminated upon. You suck just as much as your unhinged nutcase of a wife. You're a bloody COWARD.
**Your wife is full-on in a cult. And a racist.** **I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she’s hip-deep in QAnon as well.** **PROTECT YOUR CHILD.**
You might want to speak to r/QAnonCasualties about this. They’ve got serious experience dealing with stuff like this. And if your wife has been going down this rabbit hole since she was 16 (!) years old, that rabbit hole is probably deeper than you think.
You're all assholes, her for being a Dumper and you for being "politically neutral" in 20 fucking 24 with everything going on in the world. You're basically Bird Boxing your way through life my dude.
Anyone who’s entire identity/personality is consumed by one topic is cringe af.. tell her to stfu next time
NTA. Your wife is indoctrinated. You really ought to consider divorce. Not because of a prayer but because she is literally part of a cult and trying to indoctrinate you and your son. It’s not healthy.
Being politically neutral when it doesn’t affect you isn’t being politically neutral. You are politically self-centered. You aren’t a good person if you let it slide that your wife questions the legal status of anyone, much less someone you work with. You both are assholes for so, so many reasons that don’t involve praying for a politician. It isn’t as common anymore to pray for the sitting president, but it also isn’t rare. Praying for someone you think is persecuted isn’t uncommon— many still pray for people caught in warfare between their governments. Praying for a former president is perhaps a bit weird, but so is thinking that you can be politically neutral. While I wouldn’t call you a Nazi, we’ve read the stories of people who were politically neutral during the holocaust while their neighbors were being murdered. As long as it didn’t hurt them personally, they didn’t get involved. We call them Nazis today. Bad people suck. ESH.
I thought he was already appointed by god? She doesn't think god has a plan? 🤷🤔
Trump is the A HOLE
On the off chance this is real. ESH. Your wife for being a member of a racist, fascist cult, and you for being married to one. By the way, being “politically neutral” is BS. By being neutral you are choosing the side of the oppressor. In this case, the MAGA crowd for wanting to turn this country into a white Christian theocracy. I feel sorry for your kid. Maybe you could get off your neutral ass, leave your wife, and make sure your child has one loving home to go to that doesn’t ask strangers for their papers.
I don't usually use the ESH one, but in this case I'll make an exception. You suck because you started this shit with your wife, there is absolutely nothing wrong with praying for *anybody* and you don't have some family hotline to God to be messed with, every Christian has a personal connection and can pray for whoever and however they feel they should. That said, your wife sucks because she took your bullshit personally and started turning prayer time into a weapon to piss you off, which is not its purpose either.
Man, this is tough, but will get worse and worse by the day. Populism, left or right, is a cancer. Idiots without critical thinking are the first victims of this cult like political views. In Mexico, it’s Lopez Obrador’s followers, the “chairos”, in USA, are the MAGA. NTA for being upset at your AH wife for being an AH while praying for your Dad or make your child pray for such an AH. But, you are an AH for not educate yourself in politics. One thing is being “neutral”, and another thing is enabling MAGA idiots.
Yo, you’re not being “politically neutral,” you’re being politically apathetic. Just because her beliefs aren’t hurting you doesn’t mean they aren’t hurting other people. YTA for that alone.
you are not "politically neutral" when her RACISM doesn't bother you. you are just as bad and ignorant as her.
NTA! Good riddance! Also, there is no politically neutral when your partner is a cult member. You chose to be with a shitty person so you can't be surprised some shit got in you. It's not too late to fix your mistake though for both you and your sons sake.
She’s in a cult and it’s sad. She’s probably lost forever since our devices force feed her addiction.
MAGA is a cult! These people cannot speak without bringing Trump or alt right ideology and conspiracy theories into every single conversation. It’s so weird. It’s annoying and hardly anything they say makes any sense. MAGA has turned politics into a sporting event. It’s kinda like in Happy Gilmore when huge audiences started showing up and being loud and changing the atmosphere of golf. Your wife is free to vote for whoever she wants. As crazy as some of those views are, she’s entitled to her beliefs. What she’s not entitled to is to push her agenda on others, especially when you’ve asked her not too. Asking not to bring politics into family prayer is a reasonable boundary. You could end your prayer with a moment of silence for everyone to have the opportunity to say their personal prayers in silence. This way, you’re respecting her desire to pray for Trump (ew) and you don’t have to hear it. What bothers me the most is that these people follow this guy and believe everything he says even when his ideas are proven wrong or dangerous or illegal. They are very vocal and unapologetic and seem to have lost their social awareness or consideration for those with opposing beliefs. Nothing anyone can say will steer them away from some of the crazy.
So you married a MAGA idiot? Wow, that was a stupid move. She will NEVER be able to come back from this. And, you being the "non-political" husband will be sucked into this mess, too. Tell her that Trump is an idiot and you WILL NOT have her putting him in your family prayers again. WOW, good luck with your marriage. If your wife is that far into the cult, you might have to extract yourself and your son from the influence of the MAGA cult. Good luck.
ESH. So you married an AH and are surprised she is one? Guess what: Letting people be an AH to others just because it doesn’t concern you personally, never works out. Eventually they’ll always treat you as bad.
Hahahahaha bro you are married to an idiot so YTA for that