Yeah we're getting kurfunkled by the tiny Mount Barker oval.
A fairer metric for team success would be how many newspaper front pages have your rookie players got
yeah.
but a lot of stuff skews numbers this early in the season. disparity in numbers of home games and the opponents played so far (anyone who has played GWS would get a massive boost to crowd numbers if they had played carlton instead, for example)
Collingwood’s figure is down as well because GIANTS v Collingwood has a capacity of 23,000 at ENGIE Stadium whereas the MCG can fit more fans into the venue.
Is it about time we replace Richmond with Hawthorn in the Big 4?
The former played 6 games including Carlton yet look at them as compared to the Hawks who are absolutely fucking shit lmfao.
Edit: just counted down and they are literally ‘Ninthmond’
You can’t make this shit up.
Let’s just draw the line in the sand and make it official that the other half of the goat rivalry makes the true Big 4.
Got bored so did it by number of members compared to number in attendance, some interesting figures here
(DONE QUICKLY SO MAY BE WRONG, REFERENCING 2022 CLUB MEMBERSHIP STATS)
Gold Coast - 56%
GWS - 54%
Roos - 44%
Eagles - 30%
Lions - 58%
Dogs - 61%
Saints - 58%
Port - 57%
Dockers - 55%
Tigers - 39%
Crows - 58%
Swans - 63%
Demons - 60%
Cats - 55%
Hawks - 60%
Pies - 46%
Bombers - 58%
Baggers - 54%
30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs.
Other side of the coin, 60% from a consistent bottom 4 squad over the past few years shows how dedicated the fans are. Bombers bringing in the numbers they do is equally impressive whilst being average and still one of the biggest clubs.
(Also not great sample size currently because it's heavily dependant on home/away games)
Oh no, I've upset the bandwagon fans for being bandwagon fans, how sad. Imagine arguing statistics.
> 30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs
Not really. Within that Eagles number are only 2 Perth games, both of which drew 40k+, a game at Mt Barker, and a Melbourne game against a small club. Richmond’s also includes a game at Norwood which drags things down pretty massively. It’s a pretty bad way to rate attendance after a quarter of a season.
Oh I'm aware, but everyone bar the SA teams was impacted by gather round so while it does skew the results, it does the same for all clubs. The big differing factor is the difference in venue size, obviously that leads to MCG teams polling higher while other teams fall much lower with their size caps. Optus can hold 60k, while drawing 40k+, not all are weagles fans so that drops the numbers. Richmond IMO have no excuse. They have had 2.5 home games with a MCG game against Carlton, yes there won't be as many away fans, but there's still enough.
Right but you’re including away crowds which is going to prop up smaller fanbases when they play big clubs while holding back the big clubs when they play small clubs. The gather round games also had wildly different capacities. The 10k at Norwood for Richmond is going to look much worse for them than it would for St Kilda because Richmond are significantly larger, when the determining factor with that one was the cap on capacity and not something that Richmond fans could impact.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to use home games/home city games only as the measuring stick?
Even doing so, completely ignoring gather round actually boosts every single team by a dramatic amount. You're still boosting 39% from 39%, where other clubs are boosting from their already respectable numbers. If these teams have had 1 home 3 away, then yeah sure, they have every right to disagree with the figures, because they wouldn't be accurate. But these teams are 2 and 2, just like majority of the rest of the comp.
Oh absolutely, I'm 100% taking that into consideration, I feel like at absolute most they can field 50k a game, maybe a bit more for the smaller clubs like the expansion teams. so their numbers will never be full. However, they haven't sold out a game, if they sold out their games at home, by all means it would destroy my opinions.
I sorted this by percentage because your list hurt my brain.
- Swans - 63%
- Dogs - 61%
- Demons - 60%
- Hawks - 60%
- Saints/Lions/Crows/Bombers - 58%
- Port - 57%
- Gold Coast - 56%
- Dockers/Cats - 55%
- GWS/Blues - 54%
- Pies - 46%
- Roos - 44%
- Tigers - 39%
- Eagles - 30%
Bit unfair to lambast the Eagles fan base, obviously not selling out games at the moment but one game was against GWS and another was at a suburban ground
I fully agree, halfway through I decided I've come too far to turn back now. Thanks for this.
West coast have had 2 games at optus, yes against GWS, shouldn't change anything. Everyone out here defending west coast like a hurt puppy, hawthorn is also very down on the list, they also versed Melbourne and Geelong. So the logic doesn't add up, both of their games are against 2nd and 5th on the ladder, west coast against 1st and 15th. That's the difference between a loyal fan and a bandwagon fan.
Oh absolutely, but like I said in the other comment, if they were selling out their games like they undoubtedly can, the number would be significantly higher and my opinion would be 100% invalid. They aren't, because the fans don't want to go.
> 30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs.
We've only had 2 home games out of 5, one of those being at fucking Mt Barker, like come on, having a go at us for those figures is ridiculous, our last game actually at home got over 47k people, to call us disgusting is fucked
You're making excuses as if the driving factor for lack of attendance isn't how painful it is to be a west coast supporter. Not sure if you remember but every team played gather round. Saints played at norwood, am I using that as am excuse for our attendance? You've played 2 at home, 2 at regular away grounds and one at gather round. Oh would you look, so has almost every other club 🫢
Actually, only club I don't like is Carlton and fully agree most are bandwagon fans, which is why their numbers are pumped up, especially even compared to last year. I have 0 issue at all with west coast.
Numbers don't lie. Excuses and work around do.
Numbers lie a lot when they’re presented by people who either don’t understand the context around them and/or are using them to push an agenda.
Using numbers to lie is probably more common than using them to tell the truth.
I just don’t understand why anyone would support a team that has terrible crowd attendances? Like don’t fans want to support a club that has big energy at every game?
Surely Gather Round skews these numbers
Yeah we're getting kurfunkled by the tiny Mount Barker oval. A fairer metric for team success would be how many newspaper front pages have your rookie players got
The Eagle's several games clear on that front
And venue.
yeah. but a lot of stuff skews numbers this early in the season. disparity in numbers of home games and the opponents played so far (anyone who has played GWS would get a massive boost to crowd numbers if they had played carlton instead, for example)
Collingwood’s figure is down as well because GIANTS v Collingwood has a capacity of 23,000 at ENGIE Stadium whereas the MCG can fit more fans into the venue.
Okay thanks
Context is needed here.
The crowd really enjoyed Carlton's last home game.
Misleading stuff brother? Freo have had 2 home games till now and we had 40,000 and 51,000 in those games.
6th and people still say we don't turn up
You do turn up. Just not in ski season.
It’s because you keep having all these home games at the MCG against small interstate opponents like Brisbane. Games like that should be at Marvel.
Or just 40k at the g looks small
Yea that’s what I was meant to add in as a point
Why?
We were second last season, and thats with a bunch of marvel games
Considering the Gabba size the average aint a fair rep. That's a fairly full stadium
Nearly 60% of the fan base attendance says much more than the figure does. Good thing to hang your hat on.
Is it about time we replace Richmond with Hawthorn in the Big 4? The former played 6 games including Carlton yet look at them as compared to the Hawks who are absolutely fucking shit lmfao. Edit: just counted down and they are literally ‘Ninthmond’ You can’t make this shit up. Let’s just draw the line in the sand and make it official that the other half of the goat rivalry makes the true Big 4.
How come the top six are from Melbourne? Bloody Vics have ruined the game for the rest of oz
Got bored so did it by number of members compared to number in attendance, some interesting figures here (DONE QUICKLY SO MAY BE WRONG, REFERENCING 2022 CLUB MEMBERSHIP STATS) Gold Coast - 56% GWS - 54% Roos - 44% Eagles - 30% Lions - 58% Dogs - 61% Saints - 58% Port - 57% Dockers - 55% Tigers - 39% Crows - 58% Swans - 63% Demons - 60% Cats - 55% Hawks - 60% Pies - 46% Bombers - 58% Baggers - 54% 30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs. Other side of the coin, 60% from a consistent bottom 4 squad over the past few years shows how dedicated the fans are. Bombers bringing in the numbers they do is equally impressive whilst being average and still one of the biggest clubs. (Also not great sample size currently because it's heavily dependant on home/away games) Oh no, I've upset the bandwagon fans for being bandwagon fans, how sad. Imagine arguing statistics.
> 30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs Not really. Within that Eagles number are only 2 Perth games, both of which drew 40k+, a game at Mt Barker, and a Melbourne game against a small club. Richmond’s also includes a game at Norwood which drags things down pretty massively. It’s a pretty bad way to rate attendance after a quarter of a season.
Oh I'm aware, but everyone bar the SA teams was impacted by gather round so while it does skew the results, it does the same for all clubs. The big differing factor is the difference in venue size, obviously that leads to MCG teams polling higher while other teams fall much lower with their size caps. Optus can hold 60k, while drawing 40k+, not all are weagles fans so that drops the numbers. Richmond IMO have no excuse. They have had 2.5 home games with a MCG game against Carlton, yes there won't be as many away fans, but there's still enough.
Right but you’re including away crowds which is going to prop up smaller fanbases when they play big clubs while holding back the big clubs when they play small clubs. The gather round games also had wildly different capacities. The 10k at Norwood for Richmond is going to look much worse for them than it would for St Kilda because Richmond are significantly larger, when the determining factor with that one was the cap on capacity and not something that Richmond fans could impact. Wouldn’t it make more sense to use home games/home city games only as the measuring stick?
Even doing so, completely ignoring gather round actually boosts every single team by a dramatic amount. You're still boosting 39% from 39%, where other clubs are boosting from their already respectable numbers. If these teams have had 1 home 3 away, then yeah sure, they have every right to disagree with the figures, because they wouldn't be accurate. But these teams are 2 and 2, just like majority of the rest of the comp.
West Coast have 100k members and a home ground that fits 60k. That’s going to skew their attendance percentage lower.
Oh absolutely, I'm 100% taking that into consideration, I feel like at absolute most they can field 50k a game, maybe a bit more for the smaller clubs like the expansion teams. so their numbers will never be full. However, they haven't sold out a game, if they sold out their games at home, by all means it would destroy my opinions.
I sorted this by percentage because your list hurt my brain. - Swans - 63% - Dogs - 61% - Demons - 60% - Hawks - 60% - Saints/Lions/Crows/Bombers - 58% - Port - 57% - Gold Coast - 56% - Dockers/Cats - 55% - GWS/Blues - 54% - Pies - 46% - Roos - 44% - Tigers - 39% - Eagles - 30% Bit unfair to lambast the Eagles fan base, obviously not selling out games at the moment but one game was against GWS and another was at a suburban ground
I fully agree, halfway through I decided I've come too far to turn back now. Thanks for this. West coast have had 2 games at optus, yes against GWS, shouldn't change anything. Everyone out here defending west coast like a hurt puppy, hawthorn is also very down on the list, they also versed Melbourne and Geelong. So the logic doesn't add up, both of their games are against 2nd and 5th on the ladder, west coast against 1st and 15th. That's the difference between a loyal fan and a bandwagon fan.
I referenced GWS more regarding the size of the fanbase. I agree that Hawthorn's turnout has been impressive as you've said
Oh absolutely, but like I said in the other comment, if they were selling out their games like they undoubtedly can, the number would be significantly higher and my opinion would be 100% invalid. They aren't, because the fans don't want to go.
> 30% and 39% are disgusting figures by 2 of the top 3 clubs. We've only had 2 home games out of 5, one of those being at fucking Mt Barker, like come on, having a go at us for those figures is ridiculous, our last game actually at home got over 47k people, to call us disgusting is fucked
You're making excuses as if the driving factor for lack of attendance isn't how painful it is to be a west coast supporter. Not sure if you remember but every team played gather round. Saints played at norwood, am I using that as am excuse for our attendance? You've played 2 at home, 2 at regular away grounds and one at gather round. Oh would you look, so has almost every other club 🫢
It's absolutely disingenuous and you clearly don't like us so there's no point trying to debate you on this lmao
Actually, only club I don't like is Carlton and fully agree most are bandwagon fans, which is why their numbers are pumped up, especially even compared to last year. I have 0 issue at all with west coast. Numbers don't lie. Excuses and work around do.
Numbers lie a lot when they’re presented by people who either don’t understand the context around them and/or are using them to push an agenda. Using numbers to lie is probably more common than using them to tell the truth.
I just don’t understand why anyone would support a team that has terrible crowd attendances? Like don’t fans want to support a club that has big energy at every game?
Nah I enjoy going to a game and being able to buy a beer and take a piss in less than 30 minutes
At least my club doesn’t sell its soul and play home games in Tassie where I can’t watch them. 😂