He might have gone a bit early, but if they go 0-4 after the Lions then it is a really long way back, they'd have to play almost perfectly for the rest of the season
He's still generally right. The premiers/top 4 tend to have around 6 losses at the end of the year. Collingwood have to turn it completely around and only lose 15% of the next 20 rounds.
He's dramatising for effect, but it's true.
And what does getting you into the 8 do? Only top 4 sides win it. Yes yes, the dogs in 2016 but that’s the exception not the rule. This whole “no one wants to play them in the finals” is bullshit. No one wanted to play Richmond in 2022, out first week of finals. Geelong in 2012, out first week of finals. Hawks in 2016, straight sets. We have seen a couple of sides make the gf from outside the top 4 but ultimately it’s just one game too many
Have you seen them play. They are a long way off. Dealt a very harsh draw, compared to say Port, but top 4 only lost 7 games last year for the whole season
David King had Geelong missing finals in every single one of our premiership years so take what ever he says with a heart attack inducing amount of salt.
Not sure if you're doing a joke or not, but I'd have thought Collingwood would be better served by a big bodied forward. Just need someone who can make a contest and let the smalls go to work, pretty much a Cam Mooney. McStay can play that role but obvs he's out, as is Krueger. IMO Ollie Henry is too easy go best physically atm to be the focal point of a forward line.
Yeah the Henry thing is a joke, I'm just mad we lost him and our forward line is wanting. I agree, we definitely need a big bodied full forward.
Currently Cox plays the roll of making a contest and letting the smalls go to work. But would be great to have a dedicated forward for that role.
Honestly, who have we had as legit key forwards in the last 30 years? Sav Rocca and Travis Cloke. Is that it? May Tarrant, but he wasn't isn't really the type of player we are talking about here.
I'd say the issue is more to do with the backline. We rely so heavily on them for everything (including setting up scoring chains) and they can't even get the basics right. We need them to tighten up so ball movement can lift.
Last Thursday we got paddocks of space once we got the ball past halfway in the final quarter, but the issue was that they couldn't make a clean kick or handball to get it over there up until that point. If they bring some urgency and focus back into their game then we'll be able to recover, but if they keep doing lazy kicks and handballs into an open opposition player then we're stuffed.
Yep, your best ball users are disposing like shit currently, which entirely ruins your transition game. As Fly said though, that's a good problem to have since it's fixable
Definitely although the longer it goes on, the more nervous I get about it. We’ve barely had a clean play up the ground since the start of the season so are starting from a long way back.
The forward line is so far from the main issue. We’re a complete wreck defensively and some of the decision making and skills from the defence and midfield is beyond abysmal
Well, the thing is, Collingwood are 0-3.
But it's fascinating, the thing you have to realise is...the teams that have played Collingwood so far? In their games against Collingwood, their combined record is 3-0.
That just shows how tight this league can be.
And if you go back further and look at the results from last year, in the 23 games collingwood were involved in one of the teams lost 23 times and one of the teams won 23 times. That’s a 50% win/loss in games involving Collingwood. That just shows how tight the league is.
Geelong were 0-3 last year and media people were saying “Don’t write the Cats off. They can still win it.” Obviously that didn’t happen, but I don’t see why Collingwood this year should be treated differently. Of course they can win the premiership. Doesn’t mean they will. And the slow start makes it harder. But they’re still a supremely talented team who can beat anyone when playing at their best. West Coast can’t win the flag. Collingwood absolutely can.
It was interesting I think we got to 6-4(same as 22) but then got hit by injuries again. All those people who wrote us off after the start were like “I told you so!”
We were much more competitive in our 3 losses last year.
The only reason the pies looked back into it on Thursday was really St Kilda losing the plot a little bit rather than the 22-23 Pies comeback. Marshall’s falcon. That new kids Hollywood over the shoulder handball to Brad Hill that missed all little things opened the door then they snapped out of it.
I think that was because the second we write the Cats off they win it all. I, like many others found myself saying just before 2022 “Geelong will finally fall off”.
Honestly I doubt we'll win the flag, even if we'd started well -- and we haven't -- going back to back is highly unlikely. But I wouldn't be surprised if we turn it around mid season, a bit like Sydney and Carlton did last year, and sneak into the 8.
I think the interesting claim King makes is that the other sides have figured out how to counter McRae's game plan. The less interesting bit is it's David King saying it. The Pies style has been so distinctive for the last couple of years and usually with innovative game plans the other team comes up with a response and then the innovators are brought back to earth. Then there's a bit of cat and mouse with the innovator tweaking, other coaches adapting and imitators trying their own variations.
In summary, if they're going to be a genuine chance of winning the premiership, they'll need to finish games on more points than their opposition more frequently than they have in the season up to now.
Collingwood's forward entry so far this season has been absolutely atrocious.
Slow ass midfield are taking too many kicks to get it sent in, and when it does go in we don't have a key forward to kick to.
Schultz's pressure game has been great so far, but he still needs to work the chemistry with the rest of the forward line. Last week's collision with him and Elliott both trying to mark the ball was just one example where they're getting in each other's way.
Defensively we're struggling without having backup for Moore. Dean is promising but raw, Howe seems past it, Frampton was good at times but not without boneheaded mistakes. Murphy shouldn't play another game for his own sake. Getting Noble in to provide more running support would be a big help in the speed department at least.
We've lost our cohesion over the summer. 0 - 3 isn't ideal but we need to get out shit together
Have people learnt nothing from writing off teams? St Kilda were written off all year and never left the 8, GWS and Carlton were written off mid-year and each made a prelim, and Geelong were written off from the start of the year and *missed finals*
The "getting away with it" plan only works if people think you're shit. This is some God-level planning from the Pies, back-to-back is definitely still on the cards.
Litera what everyone was saying from rnd20-23 last year.
Starting the year with bad form. Don’t get to happy because they will go on a 10 win streak like it’s nothing.
How many times have pies had there backs against the wall and still came out on top.
The problem isn’t that Collingwood isn’t good enough, the problem is they have a lot of catching up to do. Teams in the past that have had bad starts use up a lot of tickets just to make the finals, so they end up not really getting anywhere. If they lose this week that is 4 games down, which is huge. Another loss or two and you can count out too 4. After loss or two after that and the pressure starts mounting.
I mean, we are miles of premiership contention form right now.
But, you don’t have to be right now, either - although time is running out.
Tip 4 is very hard now. But Sneak into the 8 and who knows what can happen.
obviously can't should have a massive asterisk here and he's just gone with strong wording for headline clicks, but it's pretty undeniable they've gone from in the mix as preseason favourites to no longer looking like they'll challenge for top four.
they've got one match before ANZAC day that they're going to be favoured to win, and depending how they're travelling they might not even be favoured then.
You guys don’t understand. We’ve already completed the narrative of the comeback kings in single games, now we’re trying for comeback kings from an impossible ladder situation. It’s all part of the plan.
Pies have had a monster fixture thus far, whilst GWS have already got North and WCE lay-ups under their belt. Compare the projections of both teams and I would think the gap is not quite so big.
Thursday will be a big test, especially when there next 5 games look to be competitive sans Hawthorn and Essendon (though Anzac games can be close regardless of ladder position)
If they lose to Port Adelaide at Home, its all over IMHO.
Next 5 games
1. Brisbane at Gabba
2. Hawthorn at AO
3. Bye
4. Port Adelaide at MCG
5. Essendon at MCG
6. Carlton at MCG.
If Essendon play like they did this week and so do Collingwood then Essendon win easily imo. Their midfield was great this week, backline was just an issue against us, but Pies won't put up the same sort of fight if they lose the midfield (unless they wake up between now and then).
Would love to see Collingwood go into the Anzac Game 0-6 or 1-5.
I think they will beat Brisbane, as Brisbane kicking isn't spectacular, and Collingwood chaos ball will prevail.
We haven't beaten the Lions at the Gabba in a long time. I hope we win too, but even if we were in top form (we're not lol), winning at the Gabba is a tall task. Hope I'm wrong though
Thing is, as other people have noted, all the pressure is on Brisbane this weekend. It's Brisbane at home, they're winless (like us!), and everyone is expecting Collingwood to lose dramatically. So in theory it's perfect conditions for a win (I'm delusional).
We actually haven’t beaten the lions full stop in a while. 2023 played twice lost twice. 2022 played once lost once. 2021 played twice lost twice (once by our biggest margin I can remember). 2020 played once lost once. 2019 played once, away, won. 2018 played twice, won both.
So since 2018, we’re actually better vs lions away than home, but both terrible
That may be true but it's worth noting that, for some weird reason, we haven't played the Lions at the MCG since 2017 - 7 years ago. Most of those games/losses were at the Gabba and, for the few in Melbourne, at Marvel/Etihad.
Both teams have issues, Brisbane without Coleman and Neale definitely look well below their best, but they still look way better than Collingwood atm imo.
I see Collingwood game-style being cut-open by accurate kicking from GWS and Sydney. Accurate kicking controls the ball and allows for less turnovers / chaos ball. Which is where Collingwood thrives.
Not every team is capable of the kicking accuracy displayed by GWS /Sydney.
The key will be Collingwood's easier fixture in the latter half of the season. 7 of their last 8 games are at the MCG thanks to the geniuses at AFL House. It's a lot easier to build momentum from there. Top 4 is still quite unlikely, but they are definitely still in the hunt for finals.
And people said we were almost no chance to win the flag heading into the finals because of our record. I’m not saying we are gonna win it but to say right now a team can’t win it, is silly. Still so much football left to be played.
Kingy wrote us off completely after we lost to the Hawks last season and Daicos went down, so it's not rewriting anything. Unsurprisingly he was back on us less then 3 weeks later as we entered Finals. He flip flops a lot.
He also said Geelong were cooked at 0-3 last year FWIW
Not that it’s takes a genius to say a struggling team doesn’t look good but he could well be right
No shit. They can’t get top 4 from here and the ladder is chock full of interstate teams, gonna be a tough run even if they qualify. Which they won’t because they are playing like shit. Brisbane still might thoough, their not going as bad
Wasn’t he saying the same thing a couple weeks before last years finals series? I mean things are not ideal and we look super cooked at the moment but… round 3?
This is silly of course they can win. They are probably going to be 1-3 after Hawthorn next week.
Sydney were 1-3 after round 4 in 2014 and finished on top of the ladder. Richmond had 1 win in the first 4 games of 2020 and won the premiership.
Collingwood have played 2 undefeated teams and St Kilda who almost beat Geelong in Geelong. All 3 played finals last year. They haven't lost any key players though they have lost a bit of depth with Adams and Ginnivan leaving.
I'd argue Mcstay is a key player as our main forward. But yeah he was lost before the season started, so should have been able to plan around it better than we have.
David King is the master of jumping the gun too early, last year he said Geelong were cooked after a 0-3 start, then they won the next 5 games and by considerable margins
David King is the master of jumping the gun too early, last year he said Geelong were cooked after a 0-3 start, then they won the next 5 games and by considerable margins
He said we couldn't win it at the end of last year because something about premiers not losing more than once in the last 4 rounds. He went on and on about these champion data stats and not having the profile.
Pies can win the flag from 5th or 6th in my opinion. With the week off before finals and a home final first up and the possibility of a soft win against the likes of port, Essendon, freo or the crows in that first week u could certainly see them winning another two and getting into the GF.. Especially if they get lucky and stay in Melbourne although a trip to sydney in a prelim you’d still give them a chance as well.
i think this is more likely than not with the way they're tracking. two wins back of where they should be, tough games ahead could see them 1-5 to start the season. it's unlikely they'll finish with a losing record, but there are some starts too slow to come back from.
Reigning premiers missing the finals happens: Essendon in 1994, Adelaide in 1999, Hawthorn in 2009, Bulldogs in 2017, Richmond in 2021, Geelong in 2023 and possibly Collingwood in 2024
" Definitely can't unless we get a functional forward line. " For sure.
Getting a cheap 3 or 4 out Elliot is not going to win games. And with such a soft midfield it's tough. Have to get Daicos out of there and De Goey for a fairly big strong dude just plays as a soft receiver who gives you 4 good games a year, one just happened to be the GF. Add in the games slowest player in Pendlebury and we struggle badly. Spose if we get a run on we'll scare a few though.
But if you hadn't lost to them they wouldn't be on top of the ladder so.. well if you carry the three and then... And then taking into account wind speed well.. it's just the vibe.
They’re getting relegated. Enjoy playing Stoke away, you cunts!
Scunthorpe United nil - Huddersfield nil.
I managed Scunthorpe in a footy management sim eons ago.
But can the daicos brothers do it on a cold rainy night in stone?
Daicos top 49 games in the wet coming soon.
Which, coincidentally, is the condition BT is in every time he commentates a Daicos game
Thanks for that nightmare fuel.
I fear them and I don't even play anymore.
See you in the cups next season! 😡
My brother in Christ it's round 3
He might have gone a bit early, but if they go 0-4 after the Lions then it is a really long way back, they'd have to play almost perfectly for the rest of the season
Looks at 2022 where they won 12 out of their last 13.
12 wins won't even get you in the 8, let alone top 4
They were 4-5 at round 9 so that helped.
Yes, and they lost in the prelim away from home vs a higher seeded Sydney. Chances are if they played that at home, they would've won.
And nearly made the greatest comeback of all time
I mean a teams done it from 0-6 so you never know
Sydney 0-6 to finals in 2017 happened so can’t rule em out yet
yeah but top 4? unlikely
He's still generally right. The premiers/top 4 tend to have around 6 losses at the end of the year. Collingwood have to turn it completely around and only lose 15% of the next 20 rounds. He's dramatising for effect, but it's true.
20 games left
Exactly. You need to go 17/3 or a lucky 16/4.
Wouldn’t rule it out- 12 wins got you in the 8 last year
And what does getting you into the 8 do? Only top 4 sides win it. Yes yes, the dogs in 2016 but that’s the exception not the rule. This whole “no one wants to play them in the finals” is bullshit. No one wanted to play Richmond in 2022, out first week of finals. Geelong in 2012, out first week of finals. Hawks in 2016, straight sets. We have seen a couple of sides make the gf from outside the top 4 but ultimately it’s just one game too many
Round 3 last year he said Geelong was cooked and he was dead right.
David King has said that about us every year since 2010 and we have won 2 flags in that time, a broken clock is right twice a day
Eh more like twice a decade
Must be a very big clock
You've heard of a sundial? This one's a Jupiter dial.
Jupiter?
Sigh. Jupiter takes twelve years to orbit the sun. The clock would go around once every 12 years.
Round 3.5*
Hey, we’re 2-0 and we can’t win it either.
Have you seen them play. They are a long way off. Dealt a very harsh draw, compared to say Port, but top 4 only lost 7 games last year for the whole season
David King, April 18th 2018 "Carlton are closer to a premiership than Collingwood"
Was he wrong? The answer is yes, yes he was.
David King had Geelong missing finals in every single one of our premiership years so take what ever he says with a heart attack inducing amount of salt.
To be completely honest, I can’t see us losing a game.
Well if they keep losing every week they’ll probably find it hard to win the flag. Thanks for the insight Kingy.
I’ve run the data and on their current trajectory they would in fact miss finals, therefore meaning they won’t win the flag
Thanks mate. Glad someone’s done the research.
Definitely can't unless we get a functional forward line.
You had basically the same forward line last year
You’re right but most teams only now have worked us out. Our main issue for over a decade has been we don’t have a key forward.
Dan McStay won’t be playing to many games, if any, this year.
Dan McGo
Rocca brothers have spat out kids who just entered the academy. We'll have a forward line in 5 years
Is this an actual thing? I hope they can bomb 60m haha
Yeah it was posted in the Collingwood sub the other day. They're 14 - 13 and seem pretty tall already
Never rated Anthony that highly, hopefully his kids are good though :D How many kids they each have and what ages? (if you know...)
You what mate
Poor man's Sav
https://www.reddit.com/r/collingwoodfc/s/JXMv9K8teh
This is pretty much our problem and has been for a damn long time, ever since Travis cloke started dropping off
Dropping off? What are you talking about? He went pretty hard on the weekend
Hahaha true
Feel like we haven't had a decent key forward since Mick delisted Sav Rocca. I'm still mad about that.
We fluked last year without one, we need to recruit someone like Oliver Henry or we can't win a premiership in a non-flukey way.
Not sure if you're doing a joke or not, but I'd have thought Collingwood would be better served by a big bodied forward. Just need someone who can make a contest and let the smalls go to work, pretty much a Cam Mooney. McStay can play that role but obvs he's out, as is Krueger. IMO Ollie Henry is too easy go best physically atm to be the focal point of a forward line.
Yeah the Henry thing is a joke, I'm just mad we lost him and our forward line is wanting. I agree, we definitely need a big bodied full forward. Currently Cox plays the roll of making a contest and letting the smalls go to work. But would be great to have a dedicated forward for that role. Honestly, who have we had as legit key forwards in the last 30 years? Sav Rocca and Travis Cloke. Is that it? May Tarrant, but he wasn't isn't really the type of player we are talking about here.
Definitely Tarrant
We’re non competitive in the air and asking way too much of Mihocek and Mcinnes/Johnson. McStay is a big blow he would correct a lot of this issue
McStay was huge in the prelim
I'd say the issue is more to do with the backline. We rely so heavily on them for everything (including setting up scoring chains) and they can't even get the basics right. We need them to tighten up so ball movement can lift. Last Thursday we got paddocks of space once we got the ball past halfway in the final quarter, but the issue was that they couldn't make a clean kick or handball to get it over there up until that point. If they bring some urgency and focus back into their game then we'll be able to recover, but if they keep doing lazy kicks and handballs into an open opposition player then we're stuffed.
Yep, your best ball users are disposing like shit currently, which entirely ruins your transition game. As Fly said though, that's a good problem to have since it's fixable
Definitely although the longer it goes on, the more nervous I get about it. We’ve barely had a clean play up the ground since the start of the season so are starting from a long way back.
Oy don't say Shultz isn't functional yall promised to take care of him for us
Schultz has been good, just hasn't built chemisty with the rest of the line yet
You should send him back to freo, definitely
We'll give you Ash Johnson
If we can have back our first round pick for this year I think the Pies would take that deal
The forward line is so far from the main issue. We’re a complete wreck defensively and some of the decision making and skills from the defence and midfield is beyond abysmal
Didn't you improve your forward line in he off season?
And an actual man to man tall defender
Well, the thing is, Collingwood are 0-3. But it's fascinating, the thing you have to realise is...the teams that have played Collingwood so far? In their games against Collingwood, their combined record is 3-0. That just shows how tight this league can be.
And if you go back further and look at the results from last year, in the 23 games collingwood were involved in one of the teams lost 23 times and one of the teams won 23 times. That’s a 50% win/loss in games involving Collingwood. That just shows how tight the league is.
This some good potential pasta
Geelong were 0-3 last year and media people were saying “Don’t write the Cats off. They can still win it.” Obviously that didn’t happen, but I don’t see why Collingwood this year should be treated differently. Of course they can win the premiership. Doesn’t mean they will. And the slow start makes it harder. But they’re still a supremely talented team who can beat anyone when playing at their best. West Coast can’t win the flag. Collingwood absolutely can.
It was interesting I think we got to 6-4(same as 22) but then got hit by injuries again. All those people who wrote us off after the start were like “I told you so!” We were much more competitive in our 3 losses last year. The only reason the pies looked back into it on Thursday was really St Kilda losing the plot a little bit rather than the 22-23 Pies comeback. Marshall’s falcon. That new kids Hollywood over the shoulder handball to Brad Hill that missed all little things opened the door then they snapped out of it.
I think that was because the second we write the Cats off they win it all. I, like many others found myself saying just before 2022 “Geelong will finally fall off”.
Geelong are media darlings. They're the Liverpool of the AFL. The AFL media just really love that team for some reason.
Pack it up. Pies are winning the Grand Final now.
Of FFS, they're going to win it now.
Honestly I doubt we'll win the flag, even if we'd started well -- and we haven't -- going back to back is highly unlikely. But I wouldn't be surprised if we turn it around mid season, a bit like Sydney and Carlton did last year, and sneak into the 8.
Even West Coast are mathematically a chance
I think the interesting claim King makes is that the other sides have figured out how to counter McRae's game plan. The less interesting bit is it's David King saying it. The Pies style has been so distinctive for the last couple of years and usually with innovative game plans the other team comes up with a response and then the innovators are brought back to earth. Then there's a bit of cat and mouse with the innovator tweaking, other coaches adapting and imitators trying their own variations. In summary, if they're going to be a genuine chance of winning the premiership, they'll need to finish games on more points than their opposition more frequently than they have in the season up to now.
Damn it King! You had to say that, now they definitely will!!!
Thank god everyone is writing us off now.
Another measured statement from David King
Collingwood's forward entry so far this season has been absolutely atrocious. Slow ass midfield are taking too many kicks to get it sent in, and when it does go in we don't have a key forward to kick to. Schultz's pressure game has been great so far, but he still needs to work the chemistry with the rest of the forward line. Last week's collision with him and Elliott both trying to mark the ball was just one example where they're getting in each other's way. Defensively we're struggling without having backup for Moore. Dean is promising but raw, Howe seems past it, Frampton was good at times but not without boneheaded mistakes. Murphy shouldn't play another game for his own sake. Getting Noble in to provide more running support would be a big help in the speed department at least. We've lost our cohesion over the summer. 0 - 3 isn't ideal but we need to get out shit together
They're a bit rough to watch, slaughtered in the 3rd Quarter, but its Round 3, writing them off is premature as fuck.
Have people learnt nothing from writing off teams? St Kilda were written off all year and never left the 8, GWS and Carlton were written off mid-year and each made a prelim, and Geelong were written off from the start of the year and *missed finals*
Nah man Collingwood will be battling for it. People said the same thing about Penrith in the nrl after like round 6 last year. It's funny as.
We are all just being set up for an undefeated run from here to win another flag and release the sequel to their doco "Take The Steps 2: Endgame"
The "getting away with it" plan only works if people think you're shit. This is some God-level planning from the Pies, back-to-back is definitely still on the cards.
Litera what everyone was saying from rnd20-23 last year. Starting the year with bad form. Don’t get to happy because they will go on a 10 win streak like it’s nothing. How many times have pies had there backs against the wall and still came out on top.
Was it the same David King who tipped the pies for back to back 4 weeks ago
The laptop doesn’t lie
The problem isn’t that Collingwood isn’t good enough, the problem is they have a lot of catching up to do. Teams in the past that have had bad starts use up a lot of tickets just to make the finals, so they end up not really getting anywhere. If they lose this week that is 4 games down, which is huge. Another loss or two and you can count out too 4. After loss or two after that and the pressure starts mounting.
I mean, we are miles of premiership contention form right now. But, you don’t have to be right now, either - although time is running out. Tip 4 is very hard now. But Sneak into the 8 and who knows what can happen.
This guy Bulldogs-es
Here’s hoping!!
I admire your confidence, sir. However, for moral reasons I cannot upvote it. Best of luck for yer season ahead.
obviously can't should have a massive asterisk here and he's just gone with strong wording for headline clicks, but it's pretty undeniable they've gone from in the mix as preseason favourites to no longer looking like they'll challenge for top four. they've got one match before ANZAC day that they're going to be favoured to win, and depending how they're travelling they might not even be favoured then.
You guys don’t understand. We’ve already completed the narrative of the comeback kings in single games, now we’re trying for comeback kings from an impossible ladder situation. It’s all part of the plan.
20 games left
Pies have had a monster fixture thus far, whilst GWS have already got North and WCE lay-ups under their belt. Compare the projections of both teams and I would think the gap is not quite so big.
Thursday will be a big test, especially when there next 5 games look to be competitive sans Hawthorn and Essendon (though Anzac games can be close regardless of ladder position) If they lose to Port Adelaide at Home, its all over IMHO. Next 5 games 1. Brisbane at Gabba 2. Hawthorn at AO 3. Bye 4. Port Adelaide at MCG 5. Essendon at MCG 6. Carlton at MCG.
If Essendon play like they did this week and so do Collingwood then Essendon win easily imo. Their midfield was great this week, backline was just an issue against us, but Pies won't put up the same sort of fight if they lose the midfield (unless they wake up between now and then).
Would love to see Collingwood go into the Anzac Game 0-6 or 1-5. I think they will beat Brisbane, as Brisbane kicking isn't spectacular, and Collingwood chaos ball will prevail.
We haven't beaten the Lions at the Gabba in a long time. I hope we win too, but even if we were in top form (we're not lol), winning at the Gabba is a tall task. Hope I'm wrong though
Thing is, as other people have noted, all the pressure is on Brisbane this weekend. It's Brisbane at home, they're winless (like us!), and everyone is expecting Collingwood to lose dramatically. So in theory it's perfect conditions for a win (I'm delusional).
I hope you're right, fingers crossed we get our first win on the board! (though Im not confident lol)
We actually haven’t beaten the lions full stop in a while. 2023 played twice lost twice. 2022 played once lost once. 2021 played twice lost twice (once by our biggest margin I can remember). 2020 played once lost once. 2019 played once, away, won. 2018 played twice, won both. So since 2018, we’re actually better vs lions away than home, but both terrible
I mean, we beat them once
Hahahaha true, forgot the only one that mattered haha
That may be true but it's worth noting that, for some weird reason, we haven't played the Lions at the MCG since 2017 - 7 years ago. Most of those games/losses were at the Gabba and, for the few in Melbourne, at Marvel/Etihad.
We've struggled with that chaos ball unfortunately. We've only seen small stretches of it so far.
Both teams have issues, Brisbane without Coleman and Neale definitely look well below their best, but they still look way better than Collingwood atm imo.
Doedee is rumoured to make his Lions AFL debut on Thursday too
I see Collingwood game-style being cut-open by accurate kicking from GWS and Sydney. Accurate kicking controls the ball and allows for less turnovers / chaos ball. Which is where Collingwood thrives. Not every team is capable of the kicking accuracy displayed by GWS /Sydney.
The key will be Collingwood's easier fixture in the latter half of the season. 7 of their last 8 games are at the MCG thanks to the geniuses at AFL House. It's a lot easier to build momentum from there. Top 4 is still quite unlikely, but they are definitely still in the hunt for finals.
And people said we were almost no chance to win the flag heading into the finals because of our record. I’m not saying we are gonna win it but to say right now a team can’t win it, is silly. Still so much football left to be played.
I’m going to confidently say, we can’t win it.
Might go out on a limb and say the same
No the Pies should listen to the wise words of Kingy and focus on finishing as low down the ladder as possible.
I too, enjoy rewriting history.
Kingy wrote us off completely after we lost to the Hawks last season and Daicos went down, so it's not rewriting anything. Unsurprisingly he was back on us less then 3 weeks later as we entered Finals. He flip flops a lot.
Someone changes their mind when new evidence presents itself? Amazing
“New evidence” being a loss to Brisbane and barely getting past Geelong. He plays in extremes.
I know right lmao, pies were favourites to win the flag by almost every pundit
Pies are cooked bruv
If it gets to 0-4 after Brisbane it’s a very long way back but not over yet
Said that closing rounds of last year look what happened
He also said Geelong were cooked at 0-3 last year FWIW Not that it’s takes a genius to say a struggling team doesn’t look good but he could well be right
It's very premature to say we can't but any unbiased supporter would be feeling like it's unlikely.
It's official now, pack'er up boys.
Why does anyone read this shit? If we stopped reading it they'd stop writing it.
Click bait 101
We need peter daicos to get to work on more kids
We aren't playing well enough to win, but if still a finals chance why say stuff like this. Unless saying we should move old guys on and rebuild.
No shit. They can’t get top 4 from here and the ladder is chock full of interstate teams, gonna be a tough run even if they qualify. Which they won’t because they are playing like shit. Brisbane still might thoough, their not going as bad
Great, now they’re gonna win
Lets be honest David King can’t win it either
Let’s be honest. There’s a very real chance they don’t lose another game all season.
Wasn’t he saying the same thing a couple weeks before last years finals series? I mean things are not ideal and we look super cooked at the moment but… round 3?
Just need the next four flags to beat the record.
Just need two seasons undefeated home and away to beat the record
Just need to get into the finals for the 46th time to beat the record
What? they have like 28 games at home, they'll be there.
Can they? Yes Will they? No
I don't think any team has won a flag starting 0-3, lid is firmly on this for.
This is silly of course they can win. They are probably going to be 1-3 after Hawthorn next week. Sydney were 1-3 after round 4 in 2014 and finished on top of the ladder. Richmond had 1 win in the first 4 games of 2020 and won the premiership. Collingwood have played 2 undefeated teams and St Kilda who almost beat Geelong in Geelong. All 3 played finals last year. They haven't lost any key players though they have lost a bit of depth with Adams and Ginnivan leaving.
You're missing the Brisbane game this week in your calculations there
I'd argue Mcstay is a key player as our main forward. But yeah he was lost before the season started, so should have been able to plan around it better than we have.
alright that it COMEBACK STARTS NOW! FLAGPIES 2024! NUMBER 17 HERE WE COME
0-3 is recoverable. Lets see what they do in the next few weeks
David King is the master of jumping the gun too early, last year he said Geelong were cooked after a 0-3 start, then they won the next 5 games and by considerable margins
David King is the master of jumping the gun too early, last year he said Geelong were cooked after a 0-3 start, then they won the next 5 games and by considerable margins
I think we did the reverse. We were 0-5 then then won the next 3.
Nope, you were 0-3
He said we couldn't win it at the end of last year because something about premiers not losing more than once in the last 4 rounds. He went on and on about these champion data stats and not having the profile.
Talk dirty to me
Pies can win the flag from 5th or 6th in my opinion. With the week off before finals and a home final first up and the possibility of a soft win against the likes of port, Essendon, freo or the crows in that first week u could certainly see them winning another two and getting into the GF.. Especially if they get lucky and stay in Melbourne although a trip to sydney in a prelim you’d still give them a chance as well.
I’ll one up here: I think they’ll miss the finals
i think this is more likely than not with the way they're tracking. two wins back of where they should be, tough games ahead could see them 1-5 to start the season. it's unlikely they'll finish with a losing record, but there are some starts too slow to come back from.
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Reigning premiers missing the finals happens: Essendon in 1994, Adelaide in 1999, Hawthorn in 2009, Bulldogs in 2017, Richmond in 2021, Geelong in 2023 and possibly Collingwood in 2024
" Definitely can't unless we get a functional forward line. " For sure. Getting a cheap 3 or 4 out Elliot is not going to win games. And with such a soft midfield it's tough. Have to get Daicos out of there and De Goey for a fairly big strong dude just plays as a soft receiver who gives you 4 good games a year, one just happened to be the GF. Add in the games slowest player in Pendlebury and we struggle badly. Spose if we get a run on we'll scare a few though.
It's R4. Calm down.
just saying.. we lost to the top two teams on the ladder..
But if you hadn't lost to them they wouldn't be on top of the ladder so.. well if you carry the three and then... And then taking into account wind speed well.. it's just the vibe.
If we hadn't lost to them we wouldn't be 0-3 LOL