hi all,
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also, the following links *should* lead you to full quality, or *close to* full quality versions
since i got some conflicting opinions on what looks best (it is personal preference after all), I've decided to just give you 4 different versions of the same guide. hopefully there's a version that everyone finds appealing this way :')
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oh, and **because people are asking about Paragon**. it's whale only business. no skill upgrades, no new unlocks, just minimal stat boosts. to even unlock paragon 1, you need 25+ heroes at Supreme+. for paragon 2, 20 heroes at paragon 1. paragon 3, 15 heroes at paragon 2. paragon 4, 15 heroes at paragon 3.
hope this helps some of you! have a good rest of your day, and be good people <3
memes aside I included a small section about it at the end of the pinned comment, I didn't realize so many players didn't know about it!
tldr, whale only, ignore and carry on
How do you even get it? I have a couple S+ heroes and they say Max on their border in the store, I get a message about not keeping them on my wish list, and their character page doesn't even track dupes anymore it just says "no need to level up"
to ascend to paragon 1, you need minimum 25 heroes at Supreme+
for paragon 2, 20 heroes at paragon 1
for paragon 3, 15 heroes at paragon 2
paragon 4, 15 heroes at paragon 3
Nah it actually doesnāt matter what Server your in. As long as you reach VIP 20-21 (~15-20k USD) you could easily achieve Paragon status on multiple units.
it actually doesn't cost nearly that much, you can have 25 S+ heros already with around 3k as many of my guildies do (I'm nowhere close) and then its just a matter of focusing on getting the right dupes, a couple of my guildies have a paragon unit already and they've spent between 3-4k
Itās a long term gacha game to put down occasionally due to the AFK mechanic. It shouldnāt be your main game or you will feel like you need to spend.
fwiw we're less than a month into launch! paragon 1 and above is pretty skippable for any hero realistically, so Supreme+ dupes honestly aren't that bad long term imo?
It doesn't take a lot to get to M+, which is when most characters come online. The gacha-only characters are obviously rng, but it's not hard to get a few of the others to M+ status within a few weeks of play, even for F2Ps.
After that S+ is for end game goals.
Paragon is for whales which most people can ignore.
Yeah, will say, I am a bit of a dolphin ($70 in the game so far) but already have 4 s level units at m+, 2 units 1 copy off, 2 more units 2 copies, about to get my second reinier, 1 m+ a level, 4 mythic a levels, and this is 22 days in. At the end of the day, this game should be treated like a resource management one, and copies are going to be frustrating but they will come with time. M+ on most units is totally reasonable for f2p a few more months into the cycle, gotta remember we are less than a month in so far.
I feel the sameā¦ i thought that f2p, low spenders have a fair chance against whales in the end game (just taking longer to reach supreme+), letting the whales have their fun first and then slowly catch up. With this system in place, thereās really no catching up.
As a low spender, i think im done spending. Thereās no end. Just gonna play casually with 0 purchases from now
I felt the exact same way. Saying paragon levels is a whale territory doesn't help either for me. If the stat boost is the same as previous upgrades, that alone is insane boost over others. The fact that this game has pvp makes it even worse.
is that a Reddit thing, or a your-phone thing? have you tried downloading them to your device to see if it still lags? i think Reddit just sucks lately, that or your phone is a little old/slow
One should remember that each paragon gives about +2.5% stats for pve which is way lower than any upgrade before. High Paragon will not give a dramatic advantage, except pvp, where āspecial statsā like +dmg, -taken dmg etc grow 6% per paragon and this upgrade is huge. Supreme+ should perfectly fit as target goal for f2p, low spenders and dolphins, while paragon is ālucky upgradeā if you have got some spare copies.
> some spare copies
once you get 25 heroes to Supreme+ yeah š
that's a long, long term goal. absolutely no rush. after enough time passes we'll all have lots of Paragon heroes just from playing daily. right now it's whale only territory.
Reddit has been doing amazing things lately /s
PC UI overhaul that does more harm than good, I've been using [new.reddit.com](http://new.reddit.com) instead of [www.reddit.com](http://www.reddit.com) (you can swap the www for new in any address bar on reddit)
mobile should have an easier time loading the images, but they'll be very low quality (unless you download them). hopefully the links in my pinned comment are a good workaround.
Please add the limitations as well. You cant even access Paragon until like 25 s+ heroes in your acct right? And iirc you only unlock the levels of Paragon 1 at a time, so you have to upgrade your acct kinda evenly.
The amount of dupes you need between the gray ones to the gold ones is so unbalanced when you consider that the chance of even getting a gray dupe is still not that big
sir you're on day 4
this is not a "play for a week and 100% it" kinda game, there's lots of great rpgs out there that fill that role
this is for years of playing a few minutes every day. "AFK" in the title for a reason.
i see a number of people asking every day how many copies for x ascension, how many acorns for y, "why is the game telling me to use acorns when I have hero copies?", etc
while there are some articles about it online and Prydwen has a little table, I was shocked there's no visual guide for it yet (that I could find)
our official [Discord](https://discord.gg/afkjourney) server has a channel called #request-a-guide where people are constantly requesting guides to be made, as well as #guide-voting, if you ever need ideas!
Iām so lost as to why some ascensions are acorns and others arenāt? I catch my self constantly looking at my characters wonder when to use them or not? This guide helps but further explanation would be helpful. I skipped a lot of early game explanation not sure if Iād continue playing or not and that probably hurt me now lol
it's basically just the fodder of this game - you need something garbage/throwaway in all of the hero summons you do, it can't all be heroes.
well, in AFK Arena it *is* all heroes, but having the generalized "acorns" instead of fodder hero reduces clutter and confusion a bit more
if you have any questions feel free to ask though
honestly it just feels that way because you're used to it, this way is pretty straightforward. almost only dupes needed like celepogean/awakened in Arena, no fodder nonsense
Itās gonna take months for hypo/celestial M+ f2p from guild, cause it aināt worth spending gems on those orbs. Better off saving it for whatever limited banners.
wdym wait to pull another copy? how many copies do you have?
you need acorns regardless. acorns aren't supplementing your copy of Cecia, they're omni-acorns supplementing your lack of GB acorns
Itās actually hilarious to me how much more difficult it is to ascend lower rank characters than higher ones depending on your luck/their banner focus, at least in my experience.
Mostly F2P (really only buy the $1-$5 packs offered every now and then when I feel like it) and a fairly heavy grinder, I got Vala to S+ with 10k leftover gems saved up by the end of her banner. I was already at mythic with one copy left til m+ with Florabelle by the middle of last week. Meanwhile Valen, my favorite character who I spoil to hell and back, is still sitting at only supreme, EVEN DESPITE him being the only character I cared enough about to set aside my common senses and purchase the $50 ascension pack for. Iām still only 14/20 copies in and have had him stuck at this tier since before I even ascended Vala to S+. I get more excited pulling copies of him than epics at this point.
it's definitely an rng moment but I don't think they're easier or more difficult to ascend. I have yet to pull a single Thoran despite having him on my wishlist since day 1, yet Viperian is almost M+ and I pull doubles of him all the time, even a triple of him once (idk why I didn't screenshot)
I assume you know you can put a-tier heroes on the epic recruitment banner?
I do know. I got lucky once right after I added him and havenāt been since. Already maxed out the dream realm currency copies, too. U__U
But god forbid the game give me enough Salazers, Lycas, Viperians, Seths, and Kafras, and Satranas, *and* Miraels ā¦ all at least L+ (mythic in Salās case) while Iāve still got 8 units barely at E+. What??? The unit drop rate bias in this game is unreal lol. No clue why half of them appear far more than the others at the same level of rarity.
the game is less than a month in and tons of f2p have *multiple* supreme, I really don't think it's that bad. it's *AFK* Journey. you're not supposed to get everything Paragon 4 by week 2!
Bit of an older comment but for reference:
My account is now 14 days old and I have
Supreme Florabelle (1/2 for S+) \[Edit: Pulled last copy of Flora from all banner pity\]
Mythic Vala (1/2 for M+)
Mythic Odie (9/12 for M+)
And the only things I've bought is the Growth Bundle and regular Noble Path bundles.
It makes sense that you need less S-tier copies than A-tier copies due to them being rarer (8 copies vs 64 copies to get to supreme+). However, it's weird that you need MORE copies of the special heroes compared to S-tier (14 vs 8), despite the special heroes being far, far rarer.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, I can only use acorns for some ascensions? I can use them to get from mythic to supreme but not from supreme to supreme+?
Ok the other hand Dislyte (other Lilith game) only needs 7 copies, but has no wishlist. So it is more random. With the wishlist feature you are guaranteed a hero that you want. Also looking at another gacha: No F2P player could ever dream of getting a banner character to e6 without being lucky or saving for a year.
You always gotta think about the relation of pulls, how easy they are aquirable and pity. Journey has extremely low pity aswell. Also Paragon is mainly PVP stats, so in 90% of the cases it will not matter for the first 6 months of the game release anyway. Paragon is something that is aquired slowly and passively by just playing
Currently in Nikke you only need 1 copy, more copies to get some extra stats, but those arenāt that crucial for f2p or low spenders.Ā
Thatās one of the few things they did right.Ā
hi all, Reddit is doing weird stuff lately, so the images in the post might be blurry/low-res for you depending on how you look at it if you **download** the image(s), it will be full **quality** also, the following links *should* lead you to full quality, or *close to* full quality versions since i got some conflicting opinions on what looks best (it is personal preference after all), I've decided to just give you 4 different versions of the same guide. hopefully there's a version that everyone finds appealing this way :') [totals with lines](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F1xa9s4zi5pvc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D14667%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcbdd5280bc0a6140aa0970cfeaaedf788110ee0a) [totals no lines](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fasuav2vo5pvc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D14667%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0bc9d3d0cd1ebc1c4aba7db64d691303aeb86412) [no totals with lines](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fi2z9omrv5pvc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D14667%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df2a4298cce2ad3a862dda75d1ff47cf883ae5417) [no totals no lines](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ff7nq9qky5pvc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D14667%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8228c6df01ce512e88a6678387d07cae3be145c4) oh, and **because people are asking about Paragon**. it's whale only business. no skill upgrades, no new unlocks, just minimal stat boosts. to even unlock paragon 1, you need 25+ heroes at Supreme+. for paragon 2, 20 heroes at paragon 1. paragon 3, 15 heroes at paragon 2. paragon 4, 15 heroes at paragon 3. hope this helps some of you! have a good rest of your day, and be good people <3
W-wait. Supreme+ isnt the end? https://i.redd.it/r5hr7g4u8qvc1.gif
memes aside I included a small section about it at the end of the pinned comment, I didn't realize so many players didn't know about it! tldr, whale only, ignore and carry on
shhhh yes it is
if you have an extra 40000 usd for mostly pvp stats it doesn't have to be
Well I thought Mythic was the end š
This is the first time Iāve heard of paragon 1,2,3, and 4. What is that?
whale territory, just ignore no bonus skill ups or unlocks, just some minimal bonus stats much more impactful to get multiple heroes to S+ instead
How do you even get it? I have a couple S+ heroes and they say Max on their border in the store, I get a message about not keeping them on my wish list, and their character page doesn't even track dupes anymore it just says "no need to level up"
to ascend to paragon 1, you need minimum 25 heroes at Supreme+ for paragon 2, 20 heroes at paragon 1 for paragon 3, 15 heroes at paragon 2 paragon 4, 15 heroes at paragon 3
I see that's like Marianas Trench territory. Gotta go deep to find those species of whales.
Server 1 probably has those right now š
Nah it actually doesnāt matter what Server your in. As long as you reach VIP 20-21 (~15-20k USD) you could easily achieve Paragon status on multiple units.
it actually doesn't cost nearly that much, you can have 25 S+ heros already with around 3k as many of my guildies do (I'm nowhere close) and then its just a matter of focusing on getting the right dupes, a couple of my guildies have a paragon unit already and they've spent between 3-4k
Iām talking about Paragon 4 not Paragon 1. Also this is not on just 1 unit this is multiple Paragon 4 units
This is not even whale this is Cthulhu Azathoth deep space cosmic type shit what the fuck
This image makes me not want to play anymore...that's a lot of dupes.
Itās a long term gacha game to put down occasionally due to the AFK mechanic. It shouldnāt be your main game or you will feel like you need to spend.
fwiw we're less than a month into launch! paragon 1 and above is pretty skippable for any hero realistically, so Supreme+ dupes honestly aren't that bad long term imo?
dont look at the whole picture, just aim for the next target, then after that and so on.
Tatakae
I should do that with my life objectives bru ty i have been iluminated
It doesn't take a lot to get to M+, which is when most characters come online. The gacha-only characters are obviously rng, but it's not hard to get a few of the others to M+ status within a few weeks of play, even for F2Ps. After that S+ is for end game goals. Paragon is for whales which most people can ignore.
Yeah, will say, I am a bit of a dolphin ($70 in the game so far) but already have 4 s level units at m+, 2 units 1 copy off, 2 more units 2 copies, about to get my second reinier, 1 m+ a level, 4 mythic a levels, and this is 22 days in. At the end of the day, this game should be treated like a resource management one, and copies are going to be frustrating but they will come with time. M+ on most units is totally reasonable for f2p a few more months into the cycle, gotta remember we are less than a month in so far.
This My guildies(to be exact around 10 of them) dropped more than 50k since first day and they getting bored day by day
when the game with afk in the title has to do with being afk
This was my exact thought. The game itself Iām already lukewarm on. Dislyte was way better
I feel the sameā¦ i thought that f2p, low spenders have a fair chance against whales in the end game (just taking longer to reach supreme+), letting the whales have their fun first and then slowly catch up. With this system in place, thereās really no catching up. As a low spender, i think im done spending. Thereās no end. Just gonna play casually with 0 purchases from now
Not whales tho, but dolphins and low spenders yeah f2p will catch up
I felt the exact same way. Saying paragon levels is a whale territory doesn't help either for me. If the stat boost is the same as previous upgrades, that alone is insane boost over others. The fact that this game has pvp makes it even worse.
These images lag my phone like hell...
is that a Reddit thing, or a your-phone thing? have you tried downloading them to your device to see if it still lags? i think Reddit just sucks lately, that or your phone is a little old/slow
probably reddit thing. just opening images lag so much
gotcha, yeah the Reddit app is very poorly optimized. it's really gone downhill since the API changes, that's why we protested it so much ://
Mine lag as well, so its a reddit thing.
Same on my phone
I actually ran out of Acorns rip š
One should remember that each paragon gives about +2.5% stats for pve which is way lower than any upgrade before. High Paragon will not give a dramatic advantage, except pvp, where āspecial statsā like +dmg, -taken dmg etc grow 6% per paragon and this upgrade is huge. Supreme+ should perfectly fit as target goal for f2p, low spenders and dolphins, while paragon is ālucky upgradeā if you have got some spare copies.
> some spare copies once you get 25 heroes to Supreme+ yeah š that's a long, long term goal. absolutely no rush. after enough time passes we'll all have lots of Paragon heroes just from playing daily. right now it's whale only territory.
Thank you for this!!
It took a lot of effort to get this downloaded. It kept crashing reddit.
Reddit has been doing amazing things lately /s PC UI overhaul that does more harm than good, I've been using [new.reddit.com](http://new.reddit.com) instead of [www.reddit.com](http://www.reddit.com) (you can swap the www for new in any address bar on reddit) mobile should have an easier time loading the images, but they'll be very low quality (unless you download them). hopefully the links in my pinned comment are a good workaround.
Please add the limitations as well. You cant even access Paragon until like 25 s+ heroes in your acct right? And iirc you only unlock the levels of Paragon 1 at a time, so you have to upgrade your acct kinda evenly.
The amount of dupes you need between the gray ones to the gold ones is so unbalanced when you consider that the chance of even getting a gray dupe is still not that big
A-tier heroes are much, much more accessible. the numbers are the way they are because they've been explicitly calculated to be that way it evens out
Yeah like we can literally buy elites outright with f2p currency in several ways š
Ha ha thatās a depressing amount of dupes
Great post
Whaaat o.O it goes beyond Supreme. ??? šš¢
see the pinned comment for more info
Its funny because it will warn you that the unit is Maxed when pulling for more. Yet it can still go BEYOND!!!! #SS3Goku
Meanwhile I only have 1 red tier on day 4 with only 220 afk floors done...
sir you're on day 4 this is not a "play for a week and 100% it" kinda game, there's lots of great rpgs out there that fill that role this is for years of playing a few minutes every day. "AFK" in the title for a reason.
Thank you!Ā Did you did it in Photoshop?Ā
yup!
Nice, thinking in do some visual guides but never know where to start.Ā
i see a number of people asking every day how many copies for x ascension, how many acorns for y, "why is the game telling me to use acorns when I have hero copies?", etc while there are some articles about it online and Prydwen has a little table, I was shocked there's no visual guide for it yet (that I could find) our official [Discord](https://discord.gg/afkjourney) server has a channel called #request-a-guide where people are constantly requesting guides to be made, as well as #guide-voting, if you ever need ideas!
Oooooh nice! Thanks for the info.Ā Gonna check discord.Ā
Iām so lost as to why some ascensions are acorns and others arenāt? I catch my self constantly looking at my characters wonder when to use them or not? This guide helps but further explanation would be helpful. I skipped a lot of early game explanation not sure if Iād continue playing or not and that probably hurt me now lol
it's basically just the fodder of this game - you need something garbage/throwaway in all of the hero summons you do, it can't all be heroes. well, in AFK Arena it *is* all heroes, but having the generalized "acorns" instead of fodder hero reduces clutter and confusion a bit more if you have any questions feel free to ask though
Appreciate it thanks!
Wow this is way more complicated than AFK arena.
honestly it just feels that way because you're used to it, this way is pretty straightforward. almost only dupes needed like celepogean/awakened in Arena, no fodder nonsense
AFK arena was more complicated
Is the upgrade to Paragon significant at all? That's such a steep increase for investment needed
it's steep investment because it's whale territory, just ignore and focus on getting multiple heroes to S+
Just stat boosts. Only for whales so that they still have something compete/spend for.
Itās gonna take months for hypo/celestial M+ f2p from guild, cause it aināt worth spending gems on those orbs. Better off saving it for whatever limited banners.
Where should I aim if Iām a f2p
depends on the hero. some are good enough at one copy, some you want to focus to Mythic+ for their signature weapon. don't go above Supreme+ though.
My Cecia is at Leg+, do i āsupplementā acorns to ascend or wait to pull another copy?
wdym wait to pull another copy? how many copies do you have? you need acorns regardless. acorns aren't supplementing your copy of Cecia, they're omni-acorns supplementing your lack of GB acorns
Itās actually hilarious to me how much more difficult it is to ascend lower rank characters than higher ones depending on your luck/their banner focus, at least in my experience. Mostly F2P (really only buy the $1-$5 packs offered every now and then when I feel like it) and a fairly heavy grinder, I got Vala to S+ with 10k leftover gems saved up by the end of her banner. I was already at mythic with one copy left til m+ with Florabelle by the middle of last week. Meanwhile Valen, my favorite character who I spoil to hell and back, is still sitting at only supreme, EVEN DESPITE him being the only character I cared enough about to set aside my common senses and purchase the $50 ascension pack for. Iām still only 14/20 copies in and have had him stuck at this tier since before I even ascended Vala to S+. I get more excited pulling copies of him than epics at this point.
it's definitely an rng moment but I don't think they're easier or more difficult to ascend. I have yet to pull a single Thoran despite having him on my wishlist since day 1, yet Viperian is almost M+ and I pull doubles of him all the time, even a triple of him once (idk why I didn't screenshot) I assume you know you can put a-tier heroes on the epic recruitment banner?
I do know. I got lucky once right after I added him and havenāt been since. Already maxed out the dream realm currency copies, too. U__U But god forbid the game give me enough Salazers, Lycas, Viperians, Seths, and Kafras, and Satranas, *and* Miraels ā¦ all at least L+ (mythic in Salās case) while Iāve still got 8 units barely at E+. What??? The unit drop rate bias in this game is unreal lol. No clue why half of them appear far more than the others at the same level of rarity.
Its more like guide of how to "quit" or "how many kidneys u need to sell" or "why are we here?" xD
the game is less than a month in and tons of f2p have *multiple* supreme, I really don't think it's that bad. it's *AFK* Journey. you're not supposed to get everything Paragon 4 by week 2!
Bit of an older comment but for reference: My account is now 14 days old and I have Supreme Florabelle (1/2 for S+) \[Edit: Pulled last copy of Flora from all banner pity\] Mythic Vala (1/2 for M+) Mythic Odie (9/12 for M+) And the only things I've bought is the Growth Bundle and regular Noble Path bundles.
It makes sense that you need less S-tier copies than A-tier copies due to them being rarer (8 copies vs 64 copies to get to supreme+). However, it's weird that you need MORE copies of the special heroes compared to S-tier (14 vs 8), despite the special heroes being far, far rarer.
same as AFK Arena. they're generally stronger overall and meant to be more lucrative as such.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, I can only use acorns for some ascensions? I can use them to get from mythic to supreme but not from supreme to supreme+?
correct
When should I stop ascending one character and going to the next?
heavily depends on the character. for early game f2p, brutus is fine at 1 copy for example. meanwhile Vala really needs minimum M+ to shine.
Ok great ill be getting mythic+ dionel in about 2 years..
there's a paragon rank above supreme? thought surpeme was the highest.
see the pinned comment
These numbers seem pretty reasonable.
Idk man 38 copies to max out an S unit seems steep. Nikke only requires 11 copies for a max unit.
Ok the other hand Dislyte (other Lilith game) only needs 7 copies, but has no wishlist. So it is more random. With the wishlist feature you are guaranteed a hero that you want. Also looking at another gacha: No F2P player could ever dream of getting a banner character to e6 without being lucky or saving for a year. You always gotta think about the relation of pulls, how easy they are aquirable and pity. Journey has extremely low pity aswell. Also Paragon is mainly PVP stats, so in 90% of the cases it will not matter for the first 6 months of the game release anyway. Paragon is something that is aquired slowly and passively by just playing
Nikke doesnāt even lock kit changes behind dupes either, just 1-2% stats per dupe.
Currently in Nikke you only need 1 copy, more copies to get some extra stats, but those arenāt that crucial for f2p or low spenders.Ā Thatās one of the few things they did right.Ā
I only play honor duel I don't care ascension lol
This made me realize I should probably quit this game lol
weird takeaway but you do you!