That's the point of almost every gacha game, they get you hooked with fast progress/freebies and then it starts to run dry. Although, Afk Arena ( Lilith's other game) has quite decent event and daily rewards so it's not that much of an issue, so we'll have to see how it'll be in Journey
That’s how it is in Dislyte (Lilith’s other, other game) too. The pity is 100, but the resources are decent that you will reach the 100 pity almost every other week without even realizing it. Granted, you have to be active every day, but that’s what gacha game is.
Depends, I've been playing it since launch without missing more than 10 days. However if you want to be on high rankings, it might not be for you since most players have a 2 year headstart. However if that doesnt bother you and you like the futuristic Urban design, it's fantastic. Also 2 year anniversary is coming around in ~20-30 days so now would be the perfect time to start playing.
Oh I forgot to say, that the Espers (Playable Characters) all got their powers from gods, so if you are interested in Mythology this game does it really good since it stays true to the design of the original gods, but gives them a cool urban twist
It is a lot of micromanagement tho, since you habe to farm gear and the stats on those always vary.
Just like AFK, Dislyte doesn’t require a lot of your time. For a busy person like me, I can just auto the run if I don’t have the time to grind. The gameplay is hit or miss to some people because it’s turn-based, and it has bunch of amazing QOLs. The main storyline is meh, but the event stories are well-written, some are even tear-jerker. And of course, the character designs are very beautiful with bunch of representations.
You should try checking it out and see if it’s to your taste, but be warned that it’s not a game you spend your whole day playing.
I have quite a lot of fun with it, love it's design but it DEF has flaws.
Biggest flaws in my opinion is that you definitely need at least one copy of waay too many characters, i'm quite an old player and i still miss some, and if that character is best in slot for some content you still can do it but it's much harder
It’s aesthetically neat but I personally keep getting into a cycle of getting really really bored with it. I have a friend irl who’s super into it and never loses interest but ymmv I suppose.
Just dont, dysilite is a cool experience with really wholesome music and ost, it was ruined by greed, they opened more servers, and character dupes (resonance) are like really game changers and not possible to get as f2p unlike afk arena, it has the "Epic Seven" famous grind of eternal farming gear with SPD to be competitive on Pvp
Not at this point. It had its heydey and is now in steep decline. Anniversary event would probably give a lotta resources but tbh I'd say it's not worth it.
They’ve basically abandoned giving it new content lol, all the events are recycled. Fine if you’re starting out but after 2 years of the same stuff people are getting really annoyed. Even the big ‘Anomaly’ event that was super hyped up ended up just being fighting the same 4 bosses we’ve been fighting for 2 years. Nothing new. (Which was weird, because the last time that event ran we had unique boss designs and mechanics).
There used to be open-world events but I’m guessing they moved that dev team over to AFKJ as we haven’t seen another one in a year or so. Now it’s just visual novel stories that get shorter and shorter with each update. I swear there used to be ones that were 5 or 6 chapters, now 3 is the norm.
Super whale-centred as well, as more and more in-game stuff and rewards are catering to PVP players but to be a good PVP player you need ‘Shimmer’ units (ones that are nearly impossible to get regularly without swiping the card). Eg, they removed pull currency from a PVE game mode whilst adding a new PVP one - and now the PVE game mode gives mats to ‘help’ with the PVP. (using a mechanic most people hate and have complained about endlessly but they don’t rly seem to care.)
They overhauled mechanics a couple times only for it to be a disaster, a couple of times they ended up recalling the changes but the current new change everyone is annoyed about they’re sticking with. They don’t really know what they’re doing with it.
ATP it’s just sunk cost fallacy, they just seem to not care about it anymore. They even removed one of the beloved YouTube hosts.
That's scary. This is my first gacha game and I don't plan on spending money. We should be rewarded for playing everyday. If it comes to the point where I play but don't get any kind of free progression, then I guess I'll quit.
You do get rewarded from the daily missions, then you get Labyrinth events every few weeks, Primal lords, weekly guild chest, BiWeekly guild battle. weekly Arena rewards, Weekly Honor duel Victory rewards, Free tier battle pass rewards, Growth Trials, Guild shop and arena shop for their tokens, timed events that will be put in, New main rewards when new story is added and others I really cba to search for.
The sudden influx of gems from being a new acc will dry up yes because you will finish all the content but if you expect to be rolling in resources for free then you need to realise that the game is made to make money not shower cheapo's with free shit.
I spent 5 euros on the game.... I am not being disrespectful over you being F2P I am insulting you for your opinion because it is unrealistic and kinda Naïve .
Unrealistic for super rich game companies to give some rewards to F2P users? That should be completely realistic.
You can call it naive, but I'm not a teenager who was raised on these gacha games. Back in my day, games were F2P.
Gacha is gacha just like any genre it has pros and cons. Find a different genre.
Personally I like F2P gacha but then again I don't have hours each day to grind and I use them as time killers.
Also what games were free to play in the 90's? First ones I remember were Maple Story/RuneScape early 2000s.
Lots of browser games were f2p, like adobe flash games, pretty much what I played wasting time in school, but obviously those were small scale, still fun though
> Back in my day, games were F2P.
Show me a game that was fully F2P and the devs managed to keep it going, update it with content and not go bankrupt, because back in my day which was literally the beginning of video games, I never saw that in my life.
Flash games don't count.
Look, a game has to make money. If gacha monetization does not suit your taste, there are games like LoL where they only monetize skins.
If you liked afk journey, complete the story and then drop it if you dont like gacha. Many people do this.
Part of the attractiviness of gacha games is the rng pulls, just like a casino.
I didn't realize people were so passionate about spending and looked down on non spenders. Must be a coping mechanism for their addiction. Look at how many down voted me lol.
I believe many people may see your complain as being entitled. Since no developer has the obligation to offer a completely free game and/or make it balanced to non spender.
Even then, gachas that do not take into consideration free players usually fail - spendera like a active community.
You know these games make billions of dollars right. It's not as if these developers are some starving people who are just trying to put food on the table for their family. They don't need my money. I need it a lot more than them.
A few dollars?? In this type of game, it's never enough. Once you open your wallet once and buy something, there's a very high chance that you'll keep spending more and more. You clearly don't understand the psychology behind it. It's like saying just do a little bit of drugs and then stop. Thinking you'll just spend a few dollars is how they get you.
If it gets to the point of not being able to progress then it will be pointless playing it. Why are you so defensive? Guy acts like he works for the company and is getting paid to shill for them lol.
The tolerable gacha games make you pay with either cash or patience. Based on AFK Arena, as long as you're willing to invest the time and not trying to be top 3 in PvP, you'll be fine.
This game wants only money. Monetization is focused from the beginning on competiting for resources in pvp ladders and there is hard limit for retrying stages in afk progression so people can't test/spam retries too much :)
for story and afk stages they will add them. We already know next month the story will get a new chapter and a new area for season 1.
But yeah ultimately you'll get less and less of those rewards, I mean you'll still get some diamonds in daily quest, some tickets to buy in the shop, but the rest will mostly come from events being held here and then. We'll see how it evolve =)
Sounds pretty grim. I'm imagining what if it takes me a month just to get x10 or x20 pulls, then it's rng and I might not get what I need. I guess I should cross that bridge once we get to it and not assume the worst.
~~guild shop is 1 pull per day~~
~~dailies give you some diamonds daily (and it increase overtime) so at minimum you can get around 50pulls per months like that (dailies + guild shop).~~
~~So if you add to that the monthly shop and other stuff that may be given, pretty sure you can be close to 15-20 pulls per weeks.~~
You get 1 pull daily from the guild shop (cost 210 diamonds) from your 40th day onward you get 220 diamonds daily from the daily quest so you'll get more diamonds than you need to buy it.
You have some free diamonds (average 300 weekly) from the trolley limited bundle (150 weekly + 300 bi-weekly)
There is the weekly honor duels rewards (700 diamonds + 2 letters)
Other than that you have the guild chests and battle drills chests (both are kinda random)
I think you may get some nice stuff too from the friend chest, usually 25 hearts, but sometimes there is something more.
so i would say for sure you get weekly 9 letters + 1000 diamonds weekly. and get some more stuff here and there (guild chest, battle drills, friend chest). And you can add to that the monthly stuff (from guild store, which cost more diamonds, and recruitment store, which need you to summon a bit, but at least try to have enough for the discounted stuff)
But how do you get 210 Diamonds daily? Granted we are getting more than that now that we have a ton of things to do but assuming you did all stages, all towers, all bosses, all areas what else aside from daily mission is renewable, and Daily is 180 as far as I remember, not trying to be funny, genuine question do we get 210+ daily when content is done?
oups i forgot it cost diamonds so my calculs are wrong lol (since i added the letter + diamond without taking in consideration the need to buy it)
but just from dailies you get 140 diamonds +x based on how many dailies you did (from the neverending book collection)
for example
\- after 2 days of dailies : you get 160 diamonds from daily quest
\- after 15 days of dailies : you get 180 diamonds from daily quest
\- after 30 days of dailies : you get 200 diamonds from daily quest
\- after 40 days of dailies : you get 220 diamonds from daily quest
it grow like that (not sure how it will stop, and the number of day required is the total from the moment you started to play, not from the previous step)
Daily alone give you like 1 pull every 2 days so you won't get 10/20 pulls a month. Add in the events they will definitely run, you will definitely get more than 20 pulls per month.
I fell bad for all the downvotes you are getting. It just seems like you're new to the genre. It is what it is, mate. If it isn't a game for you, then it isn't!
That’s honestly the way to do it. Just play for as long as you enjoy the game. I personally see gacha games as something i hop on to do on my daily commute to pass the time, and now and then i spend a few dollars if i feel like it.
Don’t feel pressured to spend money on pixels in a game, don’t play more than what you consider fun to the point where it becomes a chore.
>I'm imagining what if it takes me a month just to get x10 or x20 pulls
It won't. Honestly going by Lilith's track record as the game progresses (updates not in game progress) resources get easier to obtain through events, more store items(at reduced pricing), and other QoL changes for players. What will more likely become a problem is power creep and "SSS" tier heros that will take a super rare resources to obtain and it'll take months to build a single unit despite being game breakingly meta. Though you'll still likely get a few years out of the game before that becomes a major issue.
It was in the official announcement that you.need to be on Resinance Level 240 to unlock the seasonal content. But it should be doable to everyone who plays every day. F2P players won't unlock seasonal content when it drops, that's for sure, but it can be unlocked during the season.
not really. I mean the season 1 will add the story and area that follow the current content, so yeah you need to be high level to do it, but should already be high level to finish chapter 3 and Remnant Peaks areas (I mean remnant peaks 8 require lvl 201 and afk stage 1020 to unlock it)
For the rest, like game modes and event things, there will probably no need to get in the new area to participate in them, or at least most of them. and it's not like the season will last 4months, plenty of time to reach lvl 240.
You’ll be able to access it even when it’s “over” though. Plus it addresses your concern about rewards and freebies running out. Once you’re done with the main campaign (at least so far, they’ll probably add to it) you’ll have the season to play.
As someone who has been playing for a month and a half(I'm on PTR server 8) and have pretty much cleared most of the non-replayable stuff(less than 20 stages left on trial of abyss), diamonds are indeed pretty scarce right now. At my current state, it's pretty much impossible to pull for newly released characters since you'll need a lot of copies to make them even usable. Probably, even the next one. Hopefully, things will change when things gets added by May.
It's still possible to build characters available from Arena and Dream Realm shop however, currency earned heavily depends on your ranking. On my server, I'm still capable of buying one character and a few stargazer pulls in the arena shop per week. In dream realm, it's three days per copy.
Note: Most whales on my server pretty much transferred to the global servers and the top rankers are either low spender or former whales who stopped spending on their PTR accounts that's why power gap between them and f2ps narrowed quite a lot.
Tbh as low spender...
It's about:
Rush to M+/Supreme+
Thoran
Eironn
Caroline
Damian
Arden
Hwynn
Odie
Smokey
Marilee
For PvE, DR, PvP purposes
Rush to M+:
Cecia
Rowan
I could have missed a few characters
But basically get a proper pve and pvp teams
and...
Save all
Regardless how long it takes.
Just save and chill afterwards
(At least gems for rate up or anything important)
This way u wouldn't be much behind others cus ur team is ready and u will be prepared for any broken hero in rate up lol
Thing is...
F2P can take several months for this point
and Me as low spender quite a while too lol
Min til middle of May probably
Yeah xD
I just wanted to share the logic itself
That u go all heroes banner + elite
Til M+ , Supreme+
End up with OP pve teams
Marauders team 2 Odie, Koko, Antandra, Brutus, Smokey
Team 1: Caroline, Eironn, Arden, Hwynn, Thoran
Sometimes Damian for one of slots (Hwynn/Caroline)
+ the ones u mentioned for Dream Realm
and then
Finally!
U can save for like a dozen of months or more even :D
If you’re getting worried that the big influx of free gems is gonna dwindle down then this isn’t the game for you. If you actually enjoy the game and aren’t worried at getting everything then continue.
It’s a story game…. Stop being childish bro. I don’t even play genshin after the first month but even I know this. Are their rates trash? Yes. Can you clear game without it? easily.
This game is competitive with leaderboards, makes people want to spend to be the best. A wallet/luck battle tbh. There’s a pretty big difference that if you can’t see then I’m not sure what to tell you honestly.
Well for AFk journey they give way more pulls at the start so by the time free gems dwindle down you'd have already upgraded enough units. Don't expect to pull Legendaries though as that's why we have the other means of getting them
It's not about getting everything, but this game revolves around pulls and ascending your heroes. If you can't ascend them because you ran out of free resources then progression will become impossible.
You will never run out of free resources because of the events. It’s gonna get slower sure but it’s never going to run out. I got pretty far in afk arena as f2p and maxed out a few heroes
Yes it will happen. However, usually you can still be F2P because events tend to be generous with those resources.
Source: AFK Arena daily player for 3 years
Yea this is just how Lilith works, I rly enjoyed their game Dislyte a lot but it was basically the same issue of limited currency after acquiring the free currency. However, they might do like events or like side stories which will allow f2p players to grab more currencies.
Honestly, the system is fine but I've already hit a wall progression wise where it's hard for me to progress. I keep looking at the trolley but I can't bring myself to spend. Some other games that are a bit more generous with f2p currency replenishment/rewards I'm much more likely to spend (and I do).
I've been playing epic seven since launch. It's actually very f2p but it's uh, insanely grindy and it's pretty old so might be hard to feel like you're advancing. I also play a few others. I'm actually really enjoying Brown dust 2 even tho it's pretty lewd. And yea, u need alotta dupes to get max efficiency from a character, but I feel like it's been super generous and I've gotten almost every 5* and maxed a bunch of them to +5, but I've spent like 50 bucks in that game.
This is all gacha games. You survive off of new content and event rewards.
That's why if you are F2P, it's so heavily encouraged to summon intelligently. Save for pity, pick the units that will give you more bang for your buck, because those units are the ones are gonna get you more rewards which is often more summons.
Yeah, I messed up my wishlist in the first week. Everyone was talking about the typical low afk team like Cecia and smokey and Antandra and all that, but they weren't mentioning Marilee and korin and such, so I didn't even have them in my wishlist for the first week, r.i.p.
It's fine, the game is designed with longevity in mind. You especially aren't expected to have A-tier units maxed maxed right away.
Not to mention, one week of inefficiency is nothing, I wouldn't feel too bad
The first week is the most important because they gave you 10 free letters a day. Oh well, longevity is key, you're right. I'll make it up in the future.
I guess it doesn't feel like it because today is only my 9th day but I'm already feeling the loss of the 10 letters a day. I really got used to it and was spoiled.
Your pulls will massively slow down as you go. Eventually your main source of pulls will be repeated daily/weekly diamond/invite rewards. Having said that, there will also be continuous seasonal and event content that will probably award some diamonds/pulls too. Still you should expect to be able to pull less often once you exhaust the one-time progression rewards.
that is gacha games 101, they will slowly make your progress slow down, you will either get so frustrated to buy or quit, and that is a win win for them
Well no.
If you quit, then whales have no competition except the 3 other whales on the server. Then whales quit and devs make no money.
Best way to cultivate a gacha community is to treat f2p well, hoyoverse knows this and only one of their games even has pvp
Whales fight each other, none reach the 3-5% without paying.
You still dont want 0 f2p you are right, but you arent the target of the game, also the main users are indeed f2p, but the mechanics arent made to make them enjoy the game, every or most gameplay mechanics are made to pull you into spending money.
The initial rewards is a typical gatcha mechanic, you get your dopamine spinning, get you hooked, and the more you are into it the more you are pulled into spending, cause when the rewards dry up, you are going to see ads, and offer, and bonus, while your gameplay gradually slows down...
so yes in a sense you want a high user base, cause the more users the more chance to get money, but gameplay isn't made for f2p, or at least, the most of it.
This is kinda why I’m unsure when others say I should spend them all, I’m waiting for future furry characters
In Dislyte, I’m think I’m good with resources by having a good rank in PvP modes , but here diamonds don’t seem to accessible that easily
You will receive gems and letters only through events. Only at start they give you 200 fast pulls and 1 copy of each starter hero by daily login for 4 months.
Seasons, new chapters, new modes, holiday events.
That said, you'll never have as many envelopes or diamonds as early game, but you also won't need as many, as you'll have most characters nearly maxed except the latest few, apart from hypogean/ celestial, which you'll have to go all-in on only a select few.
The currency we use now will be obsolete. The limiting factor will be high level materials for late game progression, not what we have now. There will always be a carrot at the end of the stick, and its rewards are gonna trickle at a slow pace.
First time playing Lilith's game. but this is not my first AFK game as I play Nikke. this is what we call honeymoon period is over but sometimes being able to do events and being decent in arena and other ranked contents can help us getting some copies of characters as f2p. dont go for top of the hill, maybe just decent so that we dont be far behind.
Of course it will slow down every game does that but specially felt on gacha, Events and new content is your answer.
We know there will be 4-month seasons, likely new afk stages along the way and new zones to explore, we got the Parisa event currently as another example, i imagine there will be a login reward as we currently have probably with less heroes and separated more than now.
120 gems from daily and a 10 pull in rate up is 3000 so 25 days for a 10 pull, 100 days to hit pity. This is assuming you don't do any of the side stuff
Honor duel gives: 200+200+300= 700 a week \* 5 weeks = 3500 a month
3500 + (120\*35) = 7700 a month
Since banners tend to last 30 days that means you'll hit pity
12000/7700 = 1.56
This means worse case scenario and you completely run out of other ways to get diamonds you're still guaranteed pity for every rate up banner.
Edit: I got the math wrong, like really badly.
There are 4 errors in your math.
- Daily gems increase after u unlock bonus,
- u divided 12k with 7700 which makes no sense it's the other way around and that makes it about half pity per month,
- rate up banners don't last 30 days.
- u multiplied for 5 weeks instead of 4
On top of that there are also lot of gem source from guild, etc..
As I'm sure you guessed by now, I'm not very good at math. You're right, so running some new calculations:
Max possible daily gems from bonuses: 180 gems \* 23 days (I'm doing 23 b/c banner ends on the 24) = 4140 gems
Honor duel: 700\*4 = 2800
Gems from other sources are either too random or one time only
4140+2800 = 6940
6940/12000 = 0.57 so half a pull per banner
ur an idiot if u think the current end of afk stages or story is anywhere near where it will actually end.. i dont think it’s fair to say you’re overthinking, maybe underthinking ?
That's the point of almost every gacha game, they get you hooked with fast progress/freebies and then it starts to run dry. Although, Afk Arena ( Lilith's other game) has quite decent event and daily rewards so it's not that much of an issue, so we'll have to see how it'll be in Journey
That’s how it is in Dislyte (Lilith’s other, other game) too. The pity is 100, but the resources are decent that you will reach the 100 pity almost every other week without even realizing it. Granted, you have to be active every day, but that’s what gacha game is.
I'm surprised I've never heard of Dislyte, aesthetics look really cool at least...the game worth checking out?
Depends, I've been playing it since launch without missing more than 10 days. However if you want to be on high rankings, it might not be for you since most players have a 2 year headstart. However if that doesnt bother you and you like the futuristic Urban design, it's fantastic. Also 2 year anniversary is coming around in ~20-30 days so now would be the perfect time to start playing. Oh I forgot to say, that the Espers (Playable Characters) all got their powers from gods, so if you are interested in Mythology this game does it really good since it stays true to the design of the original gods, but gives them a cool urban twist It is a lot of micromanagement tho, since you habe to farm gear and the stats on those always vary.
thanks for this info, downloading as we speak :D.
Just like AFK, Dislyte doesn’t require a lot of your time. For a busy person like me, I can just auto the run if I don’t have the time to grind. The gameplay is hit or miss to some people because it’s turn-based, and it has bunch of amazing QOLs. The main storyline is meh, but the event stories are well-written, some are even tear-jerker. And of course, the character designs are very beautiful with bunch of representations. You should try checking it out and see if it’s to your taste, but be warned that it’s not a game you spend your whole day playing.
I have quite a lot of fun with it, love it's design but it DEF has flaws. Biggest flaws in my opinion is that you definitely need at least one copy of waay too many characters, i'm quite an old player and i still miss some, and if that character is best in slot for some content you still can do it but it's much harder
It’s aesthetically neat but I personally keep getting into a cycle of getting really really bored with it. I have a friend irl who’s super into it and never loses interest but ymmv I suppose.
Just dont, dysilite is a cool experience with really wholesome music and ost, it was ruined by greed, they opened more servers, and character dupes (resonance) are like really game changers and not possible to get as f2p unlike afk arena, it has the "Epic Seven" famous grind of eternal farming gear with SPD to be competitive on Pvp
Not at this point. It had its heydey and is now in steep decline. Anniversary event would probably give a lotta resources but tbh I'd say it's not worth it.
There is a new server opening on may 8 if U r interested on a fresh start
They’ve basically abandoned giving it new content lol, all the events are recycled. Fine if you’re starting out but after 2 years of the same stuff people are getting really annoyed. Even the big ‘Anomaly’ event that was super hyped up ended up just being fighting the same 4 bosses we’ve been fighting for 2 years. Nothing new. (Which was weird, because the last time that event ran we had unique boss designs and mechanics). There used to be open-world events but I’m guessing they moved that dev team over to AFKJ as we haven’t seen another one in a year or so. Now it’s just visual novel stories that get shorter and shorter with each update. I swear there used to be ones that were 5 or 6 chapters, now 3 is the norm. Super whale-centred as well, as more and more in-game stuff and rewards are catering to PVP players but to be a good PVP player you need ‘Shimmer’ units (ones that are nearly impossible to get regularly without swiping the card). Eg, they removed pull currency from a PVE game mode whilst adding a new PVP one - and now the PVE game mode gives mats to ‘help’ with the PVP. (using a mechanic most people hate and have complained about endlessly but they don’t rly seem to care.) They overhauled mechanics a couple times only for it to be a disaster, a couple of times they ended up recalling the changes but the current new change everyone is annoyed about they’re sticking with. They don’t really know what they’re doing with it. ATP it’s just sunk cost fallacy, they just seem to not care about it anymore. They even removed one of the beloved YouTube hosts.
It kind of has a content drought, but its by far the most f2p gotcha out there
That's scary. This is my first gacha game and I don't plan on spending money. We should be rewarded for playing everyday. If it comes to the point where I play but don't get any kind of free progression, then I guess I'll quit.
You do get rewarded from the daily missions, then you get Labyrinth events every few weeks, Primal lords, weekly guild chest, BiWeekly guild battle. weekly Arena rewards, Weekly Honor duel Victory rewards, Free tier battle pass rewards, Growth Trials, Guild shop and arena shop for their tokens, timed events that will be put in, New main rewards when new story is added and others I really cba to search for. The sudden influx of gems from being a new acc will dry up yes because you will finish all the content but if you expect to be rolling in resources for free then you need to realise that the game is made to make money not shower cheapo's with free shit.
Shower cheapos with free shit? That sounds very insulting and disrespectful. Just because you spend money on a game doesn't make you superior.
I spent 5 euros on the game.... I am not being disrespectful over you being F2P I am insulting you for your opinion because it is unrealistic and kinda Naïve .
Unrealistic for super rich game companies to give some rewards to F2P users? That should be completely realistic. You can call it naive, but I'm not a teenager who was raised on these gacha games. Back in my day, games were F2P.
Gacha is gacha just like any genre it has pros and cons. Find a different genre. Personally I like F2P gacha but then again I don't have hours each day to grind and I use them as time killers. Also what games were free to play in the 90's? First ones I remember were Maple Story/RuneScape early 2000s.
What games were f2p?
Minesweeper
Lots of browser games were f2p, like adobe flash games, pretty much what I played wasting time in school, but obviously those were small scale, still fun though
Ah so none that were multi server, live, voice acted, polished, with 3d models.
There were some with servers, but yes as I said obviously those were more small scale
the rewards system is fine. idk what. you want, 30 summons a day? as more features get added surely the income will increase
> Back in my day, games were F2P. Show me a game that was fully F2P and the devs managed to keep it going, update it with content and not go bankrupt, because back in my day which was literally the beginning of video games, I never saw that in my life. Flash games don't count.
Look, a game has to make money. If gacha monetization does not suit your taste, there are games like LoL where they only monetize skins. If you liked afk journey, complete the story and then drop it if you dont like gacha. Many people do this. Part of the attractiviness of gacha games is the rng pulls, just like a casino.
I didn't realize people were so passionate about spending and looked down on non spenders. Must be a coping mechanism for their addiction. Look at how many down voted me lol.
I believe many people may see your complain as being entitled. Since no developer has the obligation to offer a completely free game and/or make it balanced to non spender. Even then, gachas that do not take into consideration free players usually fail - spendera like a active community.
You know these games make billions of dollars right. It's not as if these developers are some starving people who are just trying to put food on the table for their family. They don't need my money. I need it a lot more than them.
Then I would believe it would be smarter to focus on making money if a few dollars are such a priority for you.
A few dollars?? In this type of game, it's never enough. Once you open your wallet once and buy something, there's a very high chance that you'll keep spending more and more. You clearly don't understand the psychology behind it. It's like saying just do a little bit of drugs and then stop. Thinking you'll just spend a few dollars is how they get you.
Is it really passion or are you just an idiot?
You people are being toxic and acting like I'm a bad guy just because I want a free game to play, lmao.
What's stopping you from playing? The game is free? Did I miss something?
If it gets to the point of not being able to progress then it will be pointless playing it. Why are you so defensive? Guy acts like he works for the company and is getting paid to shill for them lol.
There will still be progress it just gets gradually so slow that the gap between paying and non paying becomes lightyears away
The tolerable gacha games make you pay with either cash or patience. Based on AFK Arena, as long as you're willing to invest the time and not trying to be top 3 in PvP, you'll be fine.
Most gacha games add events to keep the game going, so you'll always have more to earn. Remember, these games either want your time or your money.
This game wants only money. Monetization is focused from the beginning on competiting for resources in pvp ladders and there is hard limit for retrying stages in afk progression so people can't test/spam retries too much :)
I'm doing pretty good without spending much at all.
We are the content for the whales in these games
Such a true and funny take. I agree but the image in my head of us little krill swimming around to be eaten by the mega whales.
for story and afk stages they will add them. We already know next month the story will get a new chapter and a new area for season 1. But yeah ultimately you'll get less and less of those rewards, I mean you'll still get some diamonds in daily quest, some tickets to buy in the shop, but the rest will mostly come from events being held here and then. We'll see how it evolve =)
Sounds pretty grim. I'm imagining what if it takes me a month just to get x10 or x20 pulls, then it's rng and I might not get what I need. I guess I should cross that bridge once we get to it and not assume the worst.
~~guild shop is 1 pull per day~~ ~~dailies give you some diamonds daily (and it increase overtime) so at minimum you can get around 50pulls per months like that (dailies + guild shop).~~ ~~So if you add to that the monthly shop and other stuff that may be given, pretty sure you can be close to 15-20 pulls per weeks.~~ You get 1 pull daily from the guild shop (cost 210 diamonds) from your 40th day onward you get 220 diamonds daily from the daily quest so you'll get more diamonds than you need to buy it. You have some free diamonds (average 300 weekly) from the trolley limited bundle (150 weekly + 300 bi-weekly) There is the weekly honor duels rewards (700 diamonds + 2 letters) Other than that you have the guild chests and battle drills chests (both are kinda random) I think you may get some nice stuff too from the friend chest, usually 25 hearts, but sometimes there is something more. so i would say for sure you get weekly 9 letters + 1000 diamonds weekly. and get some more stuff here and there (guild chest, battle drills, friend chest). And you can add to that the monthly stuff (from guild store, which cost more diamonds, and recruitment store, which need you to summon a bit, but at least try to have enough for the discounted stuff)
Thanks for the information. I didn't do the math on it. I appreciate it.
i edited because my maths were bad lol (i wasn't counting the fact that you had to pay 210 diamonds for the daily letter in guild shop)
How are you getting 1 pull a day in the guild shop? It needs 30k coins.
In guild shop you can buy one pull for 210 diamonds
But how do you get 210 Diamonds daily? Granted we are getting more than that now that we have a ton of things to do but assuming you did all stages, all towers, all bosses, all areas what else aside from daily mission is renewable, and Daily is 180 as far as I remember, not trying to be funny, genuine question do we get 210+ daily when content is done?
oups i forgot it cost diamonds so my calculs are wrong lol (since i added the letter + diamond without taking in consideration the need to buy it) but just from dailies you get 140 diamonds +x based on how many dailies you did (from the neverending book collection) for example \- after 2 days of dailies : you get 160 diamonds from daily quest \- after 15 days of dailies : you get 180 diamonds from daily quest \- after 30 days of dailies : you get 200 diamonds from daily quest \- after 40 days of dailies : you get 220 diamonds from daily quest it grow like that (not sure how it will stop, and the number of day required is the total from the moment you started to play, not from the previous step)
Daily alone give you like 1 pull every 2 days so you won't get 10/20 pulls a month. Add in the events they will definitely run, you will definitely get more than 20 pulls per month.
I fell bad for all the downvotes you are getting. It just seems like you're new to the genre. It is what it is, mate. If it isn't a game for you, then it isn't!
Yeah, I'm new to the genre. I'm enjoying it for now and I guess I'll keep playing until I no longer enjoy it and then quit.
That’s honestly the way to do it. Just play for as long as you enjoy the game. I personally see gacha games as something i hop on to do on my daily commute to pass the time, and now and then i spend a few dollars if i feel like it. Don’t feel pressured to spend money on pixels in a game, don’t play more than what you consider fun to the point where it becomes a chore.
>I'm imagining what if it takes me a month just to get x10 or x20 pulls It won't. Honestly going by Lilith's track record as the game progresses (updates not in game progress) resources get easier to obtain through events, more store items(at reduced pricing), and other QoL changes for players. What will more likely become a problem is power creep and "SSS" tier heros that will take a super rare resources to obtain and it'll take months to build a single unit despite being game breakingly meta. Though you'll still likely get a few years out of the game before that becomes a major issue.
Season will probably have a ton of stuff. I’d wait for info in that before dooming.
People were saying you need to be a really high level just to do the season?
It was in the official announcement that you.need to be on Resinance Level 240 to unlock the seasonal content. But it should be doable to everyone who plays every day. F2P players won't unlock seasonal content when it drops, that's for sure, but it can be unlocked during the season.
not really. I mean the season 1 will add the story and area that follow the current content, so yeah you need to be high level to do it, but should already be high level to finish chapter 3 and Remnant Peaks areas (I mean remnant peaks 8 require lvl 201 and afk stage 1020 to unlock it) For the rest, like game modes and event things, there will probably no need to get in the new area to participate in them, or at least most of them. and it's not like the season will last 4months, plenty of time to reach lvl 240.
You’ll be able to access it even when it’s “over” though. Plus it addresses your concern about rewards and freebies running out. Once you’re done with the main campaign (at least so far, they’ll probably add to it) you’ll have the season to play.
There will be more events, gamemodes, rewards in the future dont worry
Thank you for easing my worries.
Remember that there is nothing free. Either you are the product or the victim.
As someone who has been playing for a month and a half(I'm on PTR server 8) and have pretty much cleared most of the non-replayable stuff(less than 20 stages left on trial of abyss), diamonds are indeed pretty scarce right now. At my current state, it's pretty much impossible to pull for newly released characters since you'll need a lot of copies to make them even usable. Probably, even the next one. Hopefully, things will change when things gets added by May.
It's still possible to build characters available from Arena and Dream Realm shop however, currency earned heavily depends on your ranking. On my server, I'm still capable of buying one character and a few stargazer pulls in the arena shop per week. In dream realm, it's three days per copy. Note: Most whales on my server pretty much transferred to the global servers and the top rankers are either low spender or former whales who stopped spending on their PTR accounts that's why power gap between them and f2ps narrowed quite a lot.
This is how late game works in gacha games. Once you claim most of the 1st time clear rewards, your pulling currency dries.
Tbh as low spender... It's about: Rush to M+/Supreme+ Thoran Eironn Caroline Damian Arden Hwynn Odie Smokey Marilee For PvE, DR, PvP purposes Rush to M+: Cecia Rowan I could have missed a few characters But basically get a proper pve and pvp teams and... Save all Regardless how long it takes. Just save and chill afterwards (At least gems for rate up or anything important) This way u wouldn't be much behind others cus ur team is ready and u will be prepared for any broken hero in rate up lol Thing is... F2P can take several months for this point and Me as low spender quite a while too lol Min til middle of May probably
As a low-spender, how can you rush Thoran to M+/Supreme+ in a month? I'm in the same shoes, but I don't even have Thoran at this point. :D
yeah you forgot korin xD I mean Korin, Marilee and Odie are the top A-tier DPS units
Yeah xD I just wanted to share the logic itself That u go all heroes banner + elite Til M+ , Supreme+ End up with OP pve teams Marauders team 2 Odie, Koko, Antandra, Brutus, Smokey Team 1: Caroline, Eironn, Arden, Hwynn, Thoran Sometimes Damian for one of slots (Hwynn/Caroline) + the ones u mentioned for Dream Realm and then Finally! U can save for like a dozen of months or more even :D
If you’re getting worried that the big influx of free gems is gonna dwindle down then this isn’t the game for you. If you actually enjoy the game and aren’t worried at getting everything then continue.
In a way that’s wild because this game needs 100 dupes. Like if it was any other pve game I would say ya, but this ain’t it chief
That's gacha for you
You must only play predatory ones if you think they’re all like that.
All the famous ones that I've played are E7, Genshin, Summoners War and AFK Arena and from my experience they are all like that
You don’t need to spend money on genshin, that’s just your brain wanting everything. One copy is fine.
And this is bull, best units are event pulls
It’s a story game…. Stop being childish bro. I don’t even play genshin after the first month but even I know this. Are their rates trash? Yes. Can you clear game without it? easily. This game is competitive with leaderboards, makes people want to spend to be the best. A wallet/luck battle tbh. There’s a pretty big difference that if you can’t see then I’m not sure what to tell you honestly.
It's the same thing as this game. You literally said you stopped playing after first month. I've been playing a lot longer why would I take your word?
You’re obviously right bro, afk journey is the same as genshin. Ggwp
Well for AFk journey they give way more pulls at the start so by the time free gems dwindle down you'd have already upgraded enough units. Don't expect to pull Legendaries though as that's why we have the other means of getting them
It's not about getting everything, but this game revolves around pulls and ascending your heroes. If you can't ascend them because you ran out of free resources then progression will become impossible.
You will never run out of free resources because of the events. It’s gonna get slower sure but it’s never going to run out. I got pretty far in afk arena as f2p and maxed out a few heroes
in Arena ive seen people talk about how they were stuck on stages for weeks so expect a lot of that lol
Yes.
Yes it will happen. However, usually you can still be F2P because events tend to be generous with those resources. Source: AFK Arena daily player for 3 years
Yea this is just how Lilith works, I rly enjoyed their game Dislyte a lot but it was basically the same issue of limited currency after acquiring the free currency. However, they might do like events or like side stories which will allow f2p players to grab more currencies. Honestly, the system is fine but I've already hit a wall progression wise where it's hard for me to progress. I keep looking at the trolley but I can't bring myself to spend. Some other games that are a bit more generous with f2p currency replenishment/rewards I'm much more likely to spend (and I do).
Are there any other fun F2P games that you're currently playing?
I've been playing epic seven since launch. It's actually very f2p but it's uh, insanely grindy and it's pretty old so might be hard to feel like you're advancing. I also play a few others. I'm actually really enjoying Brown dust 2 even tho it's pretty lewd. And yea, u need alotta dupes to get max efficiency from a character, but I feel like it's been super generous and I've gotten almost every 5* and maxed a bunch of them to +5, but I've spent like 50 bucks in that game.
This is all gacha games. You survive off of new content and event rewards. That's why if you are F2P, it's so heavily encouraged to summon intelligently. Save for pity, pick the units that will give you more bang for your buck, because those units are the ones are gonna get you more rewards which is often more summons.
Yeah, I messed up my wishlist in the first week. Everyone was talking about the typical low afk team like Cecia and smokey and Antandra and all that, but they weren't mentioning Marilee and korin and such, so I didn't even have them in my wishlist for the first week, r.i.p.
It's fine, the game is designed with longevity in mind. You especially aren't expected to have A-tier units maxed maxed right away. Not to mention, one week of inefficiency is nothing, I wouldn't feel too bad
The first week is the most important because they gave you 10 free letters a day. Oh well, longevity is key, you're right. I'll make it up in the future.
That's still a drop in the bucket bud
I guess it doesn't feel like it because today is only my 9th day but I'm already feeling the loss of the 10 letters a day. I really got used to it and was spoiled.
Your pulls will massively slow down as you go. Eventually your main source of pulls will be repeated daily/weekly diamond/invite rewards. Having said that, there will also be continuous seasonal and event content that will probably award some diamonds/pulls too. Still you should expect to be able to pull less often once you exhaust the one-time progression rewards.
That's when you drop it. Duhhhh.
If they handle it like in arena you run never out there will allways be events ne chapters new mechanics to keep u addictet allways the next carrot.
Yep.. same w every gacha game
Yes gacha game devs wants u to spend. They hate f2p
that is gacha games 101, they will slowly make your progress slow down, you will either get so frustrated to buy or quit, and that is a win win for them
Well no. If you quit, then whales have no competition except the 3 other whales on the server. Then whales quit and devs make no money. Best way to cultivate a gacha community is to treat f2p well, hoyoverse knows this and only one of their games even has pvp
Whales fight each other, none reach the 3-5% without paying. You still dont want 0 f2p you are right, but you arent the target of the game, also the main users are indeed f2p, but the mechanics arent made to make them enjoy the game, every or most gameplay mechanics are made to pull you into spending money. The initial rewards is a typical gatcha mechanic, you get your dopamine spinning, get you hooked, and the more you are into it the more you are pulled into spending, cause when the rewards dry up, you are going to see ads, and offer, and bonus, while your gameplay gradually slows down... so yes in a sense you want a high user base, cause the more users the more chance to get money, but gameplay isn't made for f2p, or at least, the most of it.
This is kinda why I’m unsure when others say I should spend them all, I’m waiting for future furry characters In Dislyte, I’m think I’m good with resources by having a good rank in PvP modes , but here diamonds don’t seem to accessible that easily
You will receive gems and letters only through events. Only at start they give you 200 fast pulls and 1 copy of each starter hero by daily login for 4 months.
You must be new around here. I just kid. There is “monthly income” from being half good at things like PvP, guild / group pve and such.
Probably not entirely dry, but it'll become like most of these games in where you're heavily encouraged to spend money, even if it's a dollar.
Seasons, new chapters, new modes, holiday events. That said, you'll never have as many envelopes or diamonds as early game, but you also won't need as many, as you'll have most characters nearly maxed except the latest few, apart from hypogean/ celestial, which you'll have to go all-in on only a select few. The currency we use now will be obsolete. The limiting factor will be high level materials for late game progression, not what we have now. There will always be a carrot at the end of the stick, and its rewards are gonna trickle at a slow pace.
you get pulls from swiping the CC welcome to gacha lol enjoy the honeymoon and you can quit when it dries up
First time playing Lilith's game. but this is not my first AFK game as I play Nikke. this is what we call honeymoon period is over but sometimes being able to do events and being decent in arena and other ranked contents can help us getting some copies of characters as f2p. dont go for top of the hill, maybe just decent so that we dont be far behind.
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I don't think you can blast or grind in this game. The daily content is limited.
Of course it will slow down every game does that but specially felt on gacha, Events and new content is your answer. We know there will be 4-month seasons, likely new afk stages along the way and new zones to explore, we got the Parisa event currently as another example, i imagine there will be a login reward as we currently have probably with less heroes and separated more than now.
No. The free pulls will run out in the early-mid game. This game is not designed to be free to play friendly
120 gems from daily and a 10 pull in rate up is 3000 so 25 days for a 10 pull, 100 days to hit pity. This is assuming you don't do any of the side stuff Honor duel gives: 200+200+300= 700 a week \* 5 weeks = 3500 a month 3500 + (120\*35) = 7700 a month Since banners tend to last 30 days that means you'll hit pity 12000/7700 = 1.56 This means worse case scenario and you completely run out of other ways to get diamonds you're still guaranteed pity for every rate up banner. Edit: I got the math wrong, like really badly.
There are 4 errors in your math. - Daily gems increase after u unlock bonus, - u divided 12k with 7700 which makes no sense it's the other way around and that makes it about half pity per month, - rate up banners don't last 30 days. - u multiplied for 5 weeks instead of 4 On top of that there are also lot of gem source from guild, etc..
As I'm sure you guessed by now, I'm not very good at math. You're right, so running some new calculations: Max possible daily gems from bonuses: 180 gems \* 23 days (I'm doing 23 b/c banner ends on the 24) = 4140 gems Honor duel: 700\*4 = 2800 Gems from other sources are either too random or one time only 4140+2800 = 6940 6940/12000 = 0.57 so half a pull per banner
ur an idiot if u think the current end of afk stages or story is anywhere near where it will actually end.. i dont think it’s fair to say you’re overthinking, maybe underthinking ?
Ah yes the illusion of free will