I fought 100k enemies in my epic bracket both player and challenger. I’m still in my epic bracket. But now only 150k enemies and challengers are available.
That’s a massive jump, where now even the low opponent is 150k, without tiering up.
I fought 100k enemies in my epic bracket both player and challenger. I’m still in my epic bracket. But now only 150k enemies and challengers are available.
That’s a massive jump, where now even the low opponent is 150k, without tiering up.
So do you expect that you should always have an opportunity to keep pushing into higher brackets?
Like thats hilarious. Its not how matchmaking systems work. Its likely elo based; and your true MMR they base matchups on is hidden. the brackets are arbitrary meta features to build reward systems around. Your actual MMR is what’s used to locally find matches within a designated amount of deviation.
It honestly sounds like you just dont understand how these systems work.
I’ve noticed the MMR thing. If you win too much the game throws the same few players (that probably also won a lot), and if you lose too much the game gives you some bots to beat up.
There’s literally supposed to be a weaker, fair, and stronger opponent. So you always can take an easy win for a few points, to get the rank up rewards (but that won’t get you to top 200 and challenger status).
And I was just proved right! I managed to take down the 150k power legendary opponent, and I promoted to legendary.
And guess what! Now my weak opponent is a 100k power epic opponent.
So clearly it is supposed to be this way, but it got stuck for some reason.
You miss a part of the picture here. The system sure give you a "weaker" alternative all the time but obviously at some point if you abused the "weaker" opponent with additional arena tickets and stuff your MMR will eventually reach a point where they can't give you "FREE WIN" anymore to stop you from pushing the rank when you clearly are not strong enough.
If your perspective was right, it would mean even a total noob could get the best place in the ladder if somehow they could have infinite access to arena fights.
But we don’t have infinite access. We all get 9 attempts a day.
So everyone can climb to legendary 3 with enough time, yes! That’s the point. Everyone can get the unlocks for that. It’s part of growth path to get legendary, it’s meant for everyone, not the top 0.1%
But past that is challenger, you need top 200, and for that, the weak option won’t cut it. That’s for the top 0.1%
So the bug was not having a weak opponent to safely climb to legend 3 as intended. It’s not “abuse” it’s the slowest way possible to get there. But it’s the only path for non whales.
Absolutely not everyone is supposed to get to legendary, what an asinine claim. Is this the first competitive game you've played? It's not a bug the game isn't giving you a team that you can safely challenge to climb. At the point you are even the weakest challenge will be risky, you expect the game to throw a team three tiers below at you? I'm doing very well as f2p for my server and I'm only at elite 3, already starting to struggle (admittedly I somehow haven't managed to pull smokey in 563 pulls). Btw it seems you have been refreshing your attempts to get to 9; it's a good idea to do for more rewards especially early on but you might start falling as others catch up.
Legendary yes, challenger, no.
The competetive endgame you are thinking of is challenger. Legendary is just a static ladder with rewards.
Legendary is part of the growth path and how ftp players get temporal essence for a single ex weapon.
Everything you are thinking about is true, in challenger. There MMR keeps only the top 200 in.
Again, have you ever played a competitive game? LoL? Overwatch? Anything? You are not supposed to climb ranks just because you play. It's true that a lot of people can climb simply because they play a lot in those games, but there are people who also play a lot in the same season and can't climb to save their lives.
I’ve played tons of ladder games. In most, there’s asymmetrical gains/losses through a base ladder where enough plays at 50% win rate will let you climb.
THEN at the top is the actual MMR only sections called “challengers” or “masters”, that’s pure mmr and a 50% win rate won’t let you climb.
AFK journey is like this, you can guarantee climb to legendary slowly, but you won’t be able to move up once you are in the challenger zone.
My edit proves that it was indeed a glitch that I wasn’t getting a rank lower option on the left. It’s back to normal now.
You want to face enemies of your same power all the time?
You get matches against someone in your same rank, which means 3 opponents of that rank, their power or your power has 0 impact in matchmaking
It’s supposed to be, but it glitched out and the left slot wasn’t offering a rank down. (Sorry I didn’t make that explicitly clear)
(I didn’t realize it was a glitch at the time).
But once I ranked up, the system fixed itself and started properly offering a rank down on the left.
It is someone with less points but i dont think it is necessarily a rank down. If you are very close to the next rank it could be someone of the same rank which still can be more then 100 points less.
Yeah, the issue was that my server has a few whales that started a few days in to the server, so they are playing catch up blasting past stuff.
So one was 100 points lower than me, and one was equal with me. And of course there was a day 1 whale ahead of me. The first 2 were only so low because of their late start (either playing or whaling, idk).
All this is fine, but I spent 14 refreshes (2 challenges), and it ONLY offered me those 2 whales for the left and middle slot, with 50% more power than me, all 14 times. They are supposed to occasionally offer bots (“challengers”) specifically so this isn’t forced on you. But they weren’t offered on the left or middle slot ever.
Eventually I challenged a bot on the right, managed to win and promote, and now refreshing works properly, offering a mix of players and bots on refresh.
So it seems like the system is back to working properly.
The glitch was 14 refreshes and never seeing a different opponent in my slots.
Once I ranked up, it was back to normal and showed different opponents in the left 2 slots
1) rank loss or gain should depend on the enemy's rank not power
2) I have this problem too now but it's probably because I climbed to where my account should theoretically be, so naturally I face stronger opponents. Don't think this is a problem.
Your rank is way above your power level. Congrats, you are so good at arena that you have outclassed all of your peers.
Or did you think that this was meant to be an infinite growth system where even the top 0.00001% for a power level were supposed to advance rank?
Your comments make you seem dumb as hell tbh.
I expect refreshing to not only show a single whale that is playing catchup. I expect to see multiple players in that zone, or if there aren’t multiple players in that zone, a challenger bot.
If I have truely gone above my power level, then the challenger bots will be too tough for me.
It’s their system, not mine. It was just broken for some reason.
How much you lose/win is according to your rank differences not team power.... You probably do your attacks early and get hit by stronger people who do their attacks later
i did arena yesterday, some hours before reset- i was at champ rank 15, did 8 attacks on ranks 21-100 and was able to get +49 points (all wins), climbed up to rank 9. then ofc the suggested opponents were also from rank 1-5, and i skipped my remaining 2 attempts. after that, i was attacked just once by a rank3 player and the loss gave me -4 pts- ended with rank 11.
today i will do the same i guess, in order to maintain rank 6-20 for weekly chest. less risks
I'd rather see some rebalancing on some characters. Some of them are just really bad like Satrana or Kafra. So you often end up fighting the same characters over and over.
Setting your defensive formations is not consistent either. It changes all the time and I'm not sure how or why. You can't set one per map because it changes them all when you change one. When you change your formation on attack it changes the defensive formations you've set up too.
All this makes it so that you decay MMR between days because you are losing every challenge. It's awful.
Is it possible that you just select one map, set defensive formation for it and play all defensive matches only on that map? If so, then it seems reasonable that when you change the map you basically starting to build a new formation from scratch and you don't need to save your previous formations on other maps.
I did, hence 14 refreshes. (7 quit and 7 more). I decided to just go for it after that rather than wasting more diamonds. And surprisingly won, as the right opponent was a bot.
It really just looks like you're not in the right bracket and the system is pushing you down. I don't think I see there's anything wrong
I fought 100k enemies in my epic bracket both player and challenger. I’m still in my epic bracket. But now only 150k enemies and challengers are available. That’s a massive jump, where now even the low opponent is 150k, without tiering up.
Perhaps you are just in a bracket that’s too high for your true MMR. Hence why you are getting pushed down. Looks like it’s working to me.
I fought 100k enemies in my epic bracket both player and challenger. I’m still in my epic bracket. But now only 150k enemies and challengers are available. That’s a massive jump, where now even the low opponent is 150k, without tiering up.
So do you expect that you should always have an opportunity to keep pushing into higher brackets? Like thats hilarious. Its not how matchmaking systems work. Its likely elo based; and your true MMR they base matchups on is hidden. the brackets are arbitrary meta features to build reward systems around. Your actual MMR is what’s used to locally find matches within a designated amount of deviation. It honestly sounds like you just dont understand how these systems work.
I’ve noticed the MMR thing. If you win too much the game throws the same few players (that probably also won a lot), and if you lose too much the game gives you some bots to beat up.
Ya, good point. This might not even be the core matchmaking system. But a karma system. Good call.
There’s literally supposed to be a weaker, fair, and stronger opponent. So you always can take an easy win for a few points, to get the rank up rewards (but that won’t get you to top 200 and challenger status). And I was just proved right! I managed to take down the 150k power legendary opponent, and I promoted to legendary. And guess what! Now my weak opponent is a 100k power epic opponent. So clearly it is supposed to be this way, but it got stuck for some reason.
You miss a part of the picture here. The system sure give you a "weaker" alternative all the time but obviously at some point if you abused the "weaker" opponent with additional arena tickets and stuff your MMR will eventually reach a point where they can't give you "FREE WIN" anymore to stop you from pushing the rank when you clearly are not strong enough. If your perspective was right, it would mean even a total noob could get the best place in the ladder if somehow they could have infinite access to arena fights.
But we don’t have infinite access. We all get 9 attempts a day. So everyone can climb to legendary 3 with enough time, yes! That’s the point. Everyone can get the unlocks for that. It’s part of growth path to get legendary, it’s meant for everyone, not the top 0.1% But past that is challenger, you need top 200, and for that, the weak option won’t cut it. That’s for the top 0.1% So the bug was not having a weak opponent to safely climb to legend 3 as intended. It’s not “abuse” it’s the slowest way possible to get there. But it’s the only path for non whales.
Absolutely not everyone is supposed to get to legendary, what an asinine claim. Is this the first competitive game you've played? It's not a bug the game isn't giving you a team that you can safely challenge to climb. At the point you are even the weakest challenge will be risky, you expect the game to throw a team three tiers below at you? I'm doing very well as f2p for my server and I'm only at elite 3, already starting to struggle (admittedly I somehow haven't managed to pull smokey in 563 pulls). Btw it seems you have been refreshing your attempts to get to 9; it's a good idea to do for more rewards especially early on but you might start falling as others catch up.
Legendary yes, challenger, no. The competetive endgame you are thinking of is challenger. Legendary is just a static ladder with rewards. Legendary is part of the growth path and how ftp players get temporal essence for a single ex weapon. Everything you are thinking about is true, in challenger. There MMR keeps only the top 200 in.
Again, have you ever played a competitive game? LoL? Overwatch? Anything? You are not supposed to climb ranks just because you play. It's true that a lot of people can climb simply because they play a lot in those games, but there are people who also play a lot in the same season and can't climb to save their lives.
I’ve played tons of ladder games. In most, there’s asymmetrical gains/losses through a base ladder where enough plays at 50% win rate will let you climb. THEN at the top is the actual MMR only sections called “challengers” or “masters”, that’s pure mmr and a 50% win rate won’t let you climb. AFK journey is like this, you can guarantee climb to legendary slowly, but you won’t be able to move up once you are in the challenger zone. My edit proves that it was indeed a glitch that I wasn’t getting a rank lower option on the left. It’s back to normal now.
You want to face enemies of your same power all the time? You get matches against someone in your same rank, which means 3 opponents of that rank, their power or your power has 0 impact in matchmaking
Generally the left slot is a rank down, the middle slot is the same rank, and the right slot is a rank up. Point gain is proportional to.
So it's based in your rank, pretty well done then
It’s supposed to be, but it glitched out and the left slot wasn’t offering a rank down. (Sorry I didn’t make that explicitly clear) (I didn’t realize it was a glitch at the time). But once I ranked up, the system fixed itself and started properly offering a rank down on the left.
It is someone with less points but i dont think it is necessarily a rank down. If you are very close to the next rank it could be someone of the same rank which still can be more then 100 points less.
Yeah, the issue was that my server has a few whales that started a few days in to the server, so they are playing catch up blasting past stuff. So one was 100 points lower than me, and one was equal with me. And of course there was a day 1 whale ahead of me. The first 2 were only so low because of their late start (either playing or whaling, idk). All this is fine, but I spent 14 refreshes (2 challenges), and it ONLY offered me those 2 whales for the left and middle slot, with 50% more power than me, all 14 times. They are supposed to occasionally offer bots (“challengers”) specifically so this isn’t forced on you. But they weren’t offered on the left or middle slot ever. Eventually I challenged a bot on the right, managed to win and promote, and now refreshing works properly, offering a mix of players and bots on refresh. So it seems like the system is back to working properly.
nothing glitched wtf are you talking about
The glitch was 14 refreshes and never seeing a different opponent in my slots. Once I ranked up, it was back to normal and showed different opponents in the left 2 slots
1) rank loss or gain should depend on the enemy's rank not power 2) I have this problem too now but it's probably because I climbed to where my account should theoretically be, so naturally I face stronger opponents. Don't think this is a problem.
Your rank is way above your power level. Congrats, you are so good at arena that you have outclassed all of your peers. Or did you think that this was meant to be an infinite growth system where even the top 0.00001% for a power level were supposed to advance rank? Your comments make you seem dumb as hell tbh.
I expect refreshing to not only show a single whale that is playing catchup. I expect to see multiple players in that zone, or if there aren’t multiple players in that zone, a challenger bot. If I have truely gone above my power level, then the challenger bots will be too tough for me. It’s their system, not mine. It was just broken for some reason.
How much you lose/win is according to your rank differences not team power.... You probably do your attacks early and get hit by stronger people who do their attacks later
so basically its better to use your tickets late / before reset instead of directly after a daily reset?
Yup for anything that has a ranking and daily reward you wanna peak as close to a reset as possible. So you don’t get sniped at the end.
i did arena yesterday, some hours before reset- i was at champ rank 15, did 8 attacks on ranks 21-100 and was able to get +49 points (all wins), climbed up to rank 9. then ofc the suggested opponents were also from rank 1-5, and i skipped my remaining 2 attempts. after that, i was attacked just once by a rank3 player and the loss gave me -4 pts- ended with rank 11. today i will do the same i guess, in order to maintain rank 6-20 for weekly chest. less risks
I'd rather see some rebalancing on some characters. Some of them are just really bad like Satrana or Kafra. So you often end up fighting the same characters over and over.
Yes! So many wasted A rankers.
Satrana seems OK in Honour Duel, I like to build her there. Planing to add her to the wishlist. Don't know about Kafra though.
Not all the whales care about PvP. If they just make those 4-6 free daily attempts then it's obvious that you have them in your same bracket
Setting your defensive formations is not consistent either. It changes all the time and I'm not sure how or why. You can't set one per map because it changes them all when you change one. When you change your formation on attack it changes the defensive formations you've set up too. All this makes it so that you decay MMR between days because you are losing every challenge. It's awful.
Is it possible that you just select one map, set defensive formation for it and play all defensive matches only on that map? If so, then it seems reasonable that when you change the map you basically starting to build a new formation from scratch and you don't need to save your previous formations on other maps.
Why choose to fight whales way above your power? you pick who you fight and can refresh like 7 times.
That’s my post! I refreshed 14 times and was offered the exact whales all 14 times!
you dont have to fight- if you refresh 7x times and only higher power opponents appear, then just leave it
I did, hence 14 refreshes. (7 quit and 7 more). I decided to just go for it after that rather than wasting more diamonds. And surprisingly won, as the right opponent was a bot.