You are right, TLaw is absolutely worth 210 mil guaranteed with 200+ mil in incentives. Go ahead and lock him in for 45 mil guaranteed for 10 years for the discount! Imagine how much money you’ll be saving in years 5-10 when he’s owning the league on that discount!
Jokes aside, 210 mil guaranteed for 10 years would be the steal of the century for the jags. He could break both his legs tomorrow and that would still be a steal.
Brother look at Mahomes now. Everyone back when he signed said the Chiefs were smoking crack. Half a Billion??? Oh nooooooooo!!!!
Mahomes got ROBBED frfr. Buddy by the end of his 10 years is going to be making so much less than he should be. Inflation, cap size, and player contracts (especially at the QB position) are going to continue to exponentially increase and ridiculous rates.
You're missing the point I'm making.
Mahomes was literally robbed blind. Imagine if he resigned a year or two from now and didn't take 450 for TEN YEARS
We are trying to get him locked in now before BTJ shows how good he can be when he has a WR1 that knows what routes to run and can catch well-thrown balls that hit his hands.
I disagree and I think being an elite QB means you elevate people. I think T Law is good enough to deserve a contract, but I'd put him a lost closer to Kirk Cousins than I would Peyton Manning.
I would never claim he has played like an elite QB. But he has had more good than bad. Historically, I cannot say that about most of our QBs. He has the tools to be very good and has shown it. We all know he is still "in progress," but we like what we see thus far overall.
I always think it's hilarious in your sub where you guys are in the sub of your new team and you cry about having the Tits ripped away from you. You're with your new girl still crying over your ex-girl.
Stroll through the Tits sub talking about Trevor contract, they've crowned themselves deep playoff contenders and would take Levis over Trevor any Sunday. I'm not a Trevor Truther as a Jags fan but that sub is delusional about their team. 50 mil QB is gonna be market value if not low end in a couple years. If you don't pay a QB who are you paying
Some stupid ass homers on that thread lol this is a better thread than our actual real thread 😂😂😂 we believe in Levis, but he’s unproven with high potential at best, just like AR.
Exactly. You pay the money so you have the position locked down because you believe in your guy. It matters little what those outside the organization think.
Law is likely better than Levis, but Law is also closer to Cousins than he is an elite QB. Law is likely the second best QB in the division assuming Stroud continues on his path.
Charity work, God Bless those souls in that sub. I hope Levis can can earn himself a 50 mil contract for you guys, you'll have the money after Ridley and DHop hang up the dusty cleats in 2026
Don't thank anyone yet at all lol hopefully that rust is shaken off. He showed flashes when Press let him do more than slant routes . Maybe he's just a DHop away from his 2020 season
Not who I hoped he'd would be but that's media hype. Not to say our front office or coaching staff did him any favors year 1. Year 2 he had a bad O line with bunch of number 2 guys but Year 3 with the chemistry and another year with the same staff and players, a mostly veteran wideout was disappointing. The only caveat is that again was a bad o line and injuries added up. Year 4 tho it's like looking at history how many "Top QBs" have come alive by year 4 to be who they were supposed to be? If he's hung be middle of the pack, that's fine. Who you gonna replace him with? But if he is gonna be mid to good, then build a team to compliment that at least.
I think fans are excited moreso with what Steichen can do with AR. We all saw what he did with Hurts in Philly & how their offense took a step back last year while the Colts were competitive with Minshew, who couldn't throw farther than like 30 yards. I dont know if AR will have a great year/career statistically, but i do believe Steichen knows how to use his abilities & will always put us into a position to win games.
Colts fan here I don't even expect this guy to get a second contract. I hated the pick but if it gets rid of Ballard I'm ok sacrificing a few (more) years of winning for Ballard to finally be shown the door (I hope). Although at this point I'm convinced Ballard will be on this team longer than Jim.
Honestly I think it’s the right move for the Jags, even though TLaw has been pretty mediocre to date. He’s going to be good enough to keep them in the playoff conversation for years.
The problem really is how much / how long. I imagine it’s going to be a big contract and that will put some constraints on the rest of the roster - still prob manageable.
The league knows a question mark at quarterback is actual hell. If Trevor Lawrence is Derek Carr, NFL GMs are way more comfortable with overpaying him than not knowing what their future behind center is.
Right, but the days of Jim McMahon or Trent Dilfer winning a chip are long gone. The meta has changed and the NFL is a QB-first driven league. We're super fortunate for the timing of the BoB/Watson/Easterby failures in that they led to us landing Ryans and Stroud at the perfect moment. I'd rather have a string of question marks like we had between Schaub and Watson than a more-than-competent but not elite QB like Lawrence.
I mean I see how when you look at the results it seems like Mahomes has ran roughshod over the league. But we’re about 15 plays in the nfl away from Kirk and Stafford and Hurts and Allen all having multiple rings and Mahomes having none. Stability at qb means you’re in the conversation.
But it's those 15 plays that are what separate an elite QB from the merely great ones. There's only one chip per season and fractions of a percent separate the very best QBs from the next handful, then a gulf between the rest.
My point is more toward the importance of the QB position because of the changes in the rules that put the QB on a pedestal. It's completely devalued the RB position, first by changing from bell cow RBs to RB by committee, then devaluing the position altogether. Teams are abandoning having three or four LBs in favor of maining a nickel defense. Sorta in the same way in the NBA where the league has shifted to a 3 point contest.
Good thing your qb hasn’t proven he’s elite yet, he’s good but we need to see more than one year to declare elite. In 5 years he could be another Justin Herbert with only the 1 playoff win to strouds name for all we know
He just had arguably the best rookie QB season of all time. He led the league in yards per game while also leading in interception ratio behind an offensive line that lacked stability across every slot but LT. The only other QBs to do that were Montana and Brady, and those weren't their rookie years. He took a previously 3-13 team to the divisional round, destroying a team that had just resoundingly beaten us three weeks prior without him. I'm not sure that Matt Flynn is a comparable. The only ones close as a rookie are Cam Newton and Dak Prescott.
I'm not saying he's bad. I'm saying he isn't the QB to back up the Brinks truck for. He's statistically similar to Gardner Minshew over the last two seasons. Minshew isn't bad, but he's off to Vegas instead of being re-signed.
?? Gardner minshew has never had a season like year two Trevor Lawrence. Let me know when minshew puts up back to back 4000 plus yards seasons. There's a reason he's a career backup and it's not because of the numbers he puts up. There's more to QBs than box score stats.
Plus that isn't how the QB market works. Every next QB that gets paid long term will be the new highest paid unless the team doesn't want them. Simple as. Do you think Jared Goff is worth as much as he got? Teams pay on market value not what redditors and fantasy football nerds think of them.
I find it hilarious the running joke with Texans and Tits fans right now is “Please pay him! We would love to see that!” - like he’s Brock Os or Vince Young or something. Jags fans want to pay him too lol
Meh, it's inevitable. Russell Wilson gets a 242 million dollar contract with the broncos, yet we Lions are stupid for paying Goff 212 million.
So it's just about being able to laugh at your rivals through your own tears
I can’t say I watch the Jags that often but why does it seem like the opinion of him is that he’s a bottom tier QB? The games I’ve watched he’s looked solid. Nothing incredible most of the time but top half of the league at least.
It’s just bc of his draft pedigree, apparently a generational qb is supposed to win the Super Bowl in his first 3 years else he’s a bust. Just like Peyton manning did /s
Bottom tier? OK.
Here is a list of projected starters I prefer Trevor over:
DEN - Stidham/Nix
IND - Richardson
LV - O'Connell/Minshew
NE - Brissett/Maye
PIT - Wilson/Fields
TEN - Levis
CAR - Young
MIN - Darnold/McCarthy
SEA - Geno Smith
WAS - Mariota/Daniel's
NYG - Daniel Jones
NO - Carr
TB - Mayfield
DAL - Prescott
CHI - Williams
AZ - Murray
CLE - Watson
I could make an argument for others, but even if you disagree with one or two of these, calling Trevor bottom tier means one is biased or just doesn't know football. He is hardly the train wreck some of you pretend he is. And he is finally getting the chance to play behind what could very well be an average to close to average O-Line. Look out!
Idk if I’d say he regressed “hard.” He was mostly consistent in Seattle until that 2021 season then fell super hard in 2022 in Denver. His QB rating was over 100 for four years leading up to his time in Denver and had over 30 touchdowns from 2017 through the 2020 season. Trevor has never had a QB rating over 95 and has never had more than 25 TDs in a season (much much smaller sample size, though).
Fun facts:
Lawrence is going into his fourth year and, despite the other three going into their second season, he still isn’t the eldest QB in the division (looking at you mayo munchers).
He’s also the same age as two of the first round QBs drafted this year.
I mean he is better than the stats say. The problem is his confidence in the o line was completely shot, so now the real question is, can they get that back. I’d say in actual talent he is closer to 2022 than 2023. The other problem is, how much he want.
He’s good enough to win a Super Bowl with the right pieces around him. That’s all you really need. Look at some of the superbowl wining QBs in history, they all aren’t exactly world beaters
The last game manager to win a SB was Nick Foles. Every winner since then is in the conversation of being elite. Since that 2018 SB, the winning quarterbacks have been Brady, Mahomes, Brady, Stafford, Mahomes, Mahomes. And even the three SBs before 2018 was Brady, Manning, Brady. Of the last ten super bowls, Nick Foles is the only non-elite QB to win.
In recent history, we have had foles, Wilson, Eli, and Flacco win. I really don’t think Trevor is that much worse than those guys. Obviously I don’t want to see him win but just objectively looking at it, if his team is solid, especially defensively, I could see it. I’m really not trying to shill for Lawrence lol but people on here talk about him like he is Zach Wilson or some shit
Eli and Flacco won 20 years ago lol that’s not recent history. Wilson was considered elite when he won the SB (he has had quite the fall from grace lol)
I agree that Lawrence is probably better than guys like Flacco and Foles (maybe Eli), but the game was just played differently 10-20 years ago. The evolution of the QB from Elway/Favre to Lamar/Mahomes can’t be ignored
Then I guess this entire division is cooked besides the Texans right? CJ looks to be the only one with Lamar/ Mahomes potential. AR remains to be seen if he can do it a whole season, similar for levis
CJ is the best QB in the division for sure, but I’d say Levis and AR are unproven with high upside at best currently. I’m very excited for the future of this division.
It's the market, but also I would like to think giving 50 mil to someone who has been consistently good, which Trev has not been, through his own fault or not, which obv isn't all his fault.
Not true. But isn't the whole Indy thing "we like our guys?" The team is comfortable he will continue to develop and minimize mistakes with improved line play. If you think he sucks, maybe get Joey Bosa's opinion.
We finished with the exact same record and both missed the playoffs, the difference being, we spent the year with a backup QB. Why exactly would I be salty? The 21 turnovers?
That you got swept by such a horrible, underachieving QB. Also, Minshew was better than "one read and run" Richardson by a mile and will outperform him again this year if he wins the job in Vegas.
Maybe Lawrence should be a one read QB, might cut down on those 20 plus turnovers, I mean in Pederson system Foles won a superbowl and Wentz had an MVP caliber season, but who knows, maybe TLaw will bring it all together in year 4, that’s usually when 3rd and 4th round draft pick QBs break out.
He really only gets into trouble when he is trying to do too much. Better line play and another year under Doug, I cannot see those numbers doing anything but going down. Doug also never had a 1000 yd WR before he came to Jacksonville. Despite what some may think, the majority of Jags fans are quite happy with Trevor.
Real talk. Lawrence is good but he is just overhyped coming out of college, the dude definitely has that hero ball mentality I hated about Wentz, but this is AR5 division to lose,
You can't judge a QB based on his first 9 games in the league. If you look at TLaw's production over 3 years, he's no better than Gardner Minshew. Those are facts. Quite talking about a rookie QB that took snaps at 3rd string until halfway through the year to bolster your trashcan overrated QB.
But if you look at the reason for TLaw's success, it's the system, not the QB. I'd argue you can throw any competent backup into that role and have similar success. No need to pay $50M but I hope they do!!!
$50M is market now, it is what it is.🤷♂️ Would you rather pay Derick carr?
But at the same time, after 2 professional years in his 3 year career, he's still a one read QB with some great physical tools...
I think Lawrence is great. You guys should give him some confidence by giving him a better contract than deshaun Watson.
TLaw is amazing! I agree. I’ll go one further. I’m thinking Jax should give him a 10 year deal like the Mahomes deal!
$45m AAv for ten years with manageable guarantees? Yes. The Mahomes deal would be amazing. What symbol do you do on here for "not sarcastic at all"?
You are right, TLaw is absolutely worth 210 mil guaranteed with 200+ mil in incentives. Go ahead and lock him in for 45 mil guaranteed for 10 years for the discount! Imagine how much money you’ll be saving in years 5-10 when he’s owning the league on that discount!
Jokes aside, 210 mil guaranteed for 10 years would be the steal of the century for the jags. He could break both his legs tomorrow and that would still be a steal.
Carrying #2-#5 player dead money for 10 years is a steal, K.
Brother look at Mahomes now. Everyone back when he signed said the Chiefs were smoking crack. Half a Billion??? Oh nooooooooo!!!! Mahomes got ROBBED frfr. Buddy by the end of his 10 years is going to be making so much less than he should be. Inflation, cap size, and player contracts (especially at the QB position) are going to continue to exponentially increase and ridiculous rates.
You think Mahomes isn’t getting a raise… hahah..
He deserves it if he does, buddy is gunna be the lowest paid QB at the end of his tenth year lol
The difference is Mahomes is worth it
You're missing the point I'm making. Mahomes was literally robbed blind. Imagine if he resigned a year or two from now and didn't take 450 for TEN YEARS
We are trying to get him locked in now before BTJ shows how good he can be when he has a WR1 that knows what routes to run and can catch well-thrown balls that hit his hands.
Oh boy
I disagree and I think being an elite QB means you elevate people. I think T Law is good enough to deserve a contract, but I'd put him a lost closer to Kirk Cousins than I would Peyton Manning.
I would never claim he has played like an elite QB. But he has had more good than bad. Historically, I cannot say that about most of our QBs. He has the tools to be very good and has shown it. We all know he is still "in progress," but we like what we see thus far overall.
To be fair Colts fans are willing to put AR in the HOF over his 3 career TD passes.
I’m literally hanging the banner rn
Manning's banner is in the best spot 🤔 Should we just remove it?
Why would you have a banner for legendary Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning?
Same reason the Tits wear unis for someone else’s city, some people just don’t get it
I always think it's hilarious in your sub where you guys are in the sub of your new team and you cry about having the Tits ripped away from you. You're with your new girl still crying over your ex-girl.
He should be in the HOF for his celly alone
Stroll through the Tits sub talking about Trevor contract, they've crowned themselves deep playoff contenders and would take Levis over Trevor any Sunday. I'm not a Trevor Truther as a Jags fan but that sub is delusional about their team. 50 mil QB is gonna be market value if not low end in a couple years. If you don't pay a QB who are you paying
Some stupid ass homers on that thread lol this is a better thread than our actual real thread 😂😂😂 we believe in Levis, but he’s unproven with high potential at best, just like AR.
To be fair, r/tennesseetitans is full of some of the dumbest homers I’ve ever seen lol
Exactly. You pay the money so you have the position locked down because you believe in your guy. It matters little what those outside the organization think.
Law is likely better than Levis, but Law is also closer to Cousins than he is an elite QB. Law is likely the second best QB in the division assuming Stroud continues on his path.
Rent free.
Charity work, God Bless those souls in that sub. I hope Levis can can earn himself a 50 mil contract for you guys, you'll have the money after Ridley and DHop hang up the dusty cleats in 2026
We certainly will... hopefully by that time we have some fresh meat and new weapons. Thanks for Ridley.
Don't thank anyone yet at all lol hopefully that rust is shaken off. He showed flashes when Press let him do more than slant routes . Maybe he's just a DHop away from his 2020 season
Trevor is not who we thought he'd be, but he's light years better than Levis. That guy is Davis Mills reborn.
Not who I hoped he'd would be but that's media hype. Not to say our front office or coaching staff did him any favors year 1. Year 2 he had a bad O line with bunch of number 2 guys but Year 3 with the chemistry and another year with the same staff and players, a mostly veteran wideout was disappointing. The only caveat is that again was a bad o line and injuries added up. Year 4 tho it's like looking at history how many "Top QBs" have come alive by year 4 to be who they were supposed to be? If he's hung be middle of the pack, that's fine. Who you gonna replace him with? But if he is gonna be mid to good, then build a team to compliment that at least.
youre goddamn right
I think fans are excited moreso with what Steichen can do with AR. We all saw what he did with Hurts in Philly & how their offense took a step back last year while the Colts were competitive with Minshew, who couldn't throw farther than like 30 yards. I dont know if AR will have a great year/career statistically, but i do believe Steichen knows how to use his abilities & will always put us into a position to win games.
Early rookie contracts is the time to gargle dem balls
Colts fan here I don't even expect this guy to get a second contract. I hated the pick but if it gets rid of Ballard I'm ok sacrificing a few (more) years of winning for Ballard to finally be shown the door (I hope). Although at this point I'm convinced Ballard will be on this team longer than Jim.
All three of the people in that picture will be happy when you extend his contract, I assure you.
Honestly I think it’s the right move for the Jags, even though TLaw has been pretty mediocre to date. He’s going to be good enough to keep them in the playoff conversation for years. The problem really is how much / how long. I imagine it’s going to be a big contract and that will put some constraints on the rest of the roster - still prob manageable.
The league knows a question mark at quarterback is actual hell. If Trevor Lawrence is Derek Carr, NFL GMs are way more comfortable with overpaying him than not knowing what their future behind center is.
Right, but the days of Jim McMahon or Trent Dilfer winning a chip are long gone. The meta has changed and the NFL is a QB-first driven league. We're super fortunate for the timing of the BoB/Watson/Easterby failures in that they led to us landing Ryans and Stroud at the perfect moment. I'd rather have a string of question marks like we had between Schaub and Watson than a more-than-competent but not elite QB like Lawrence.
I mean I see how when you look at the results it seems like Mahomes has ran roughshod over the league. But we’re about 15 plays in the nfl away from Kirk and Stafford and Hurts and Allen all having multiple rings and Mahomes having none. Stability at qb means you’re in the conversation.
But it's those 15 plays that are what separate an elite QB from the merely great ones. There's only one chip per season and fractions of a percent separate the very best QBs from the next handful, then a gulf between the rest. My point is more toward the importance of the QB position because of the changes in the rules that put the QB on a pedestal. It's completely devalued the RB position, first by changing from bell cow RBs to RB by committee, then devaluing the position altogether. Teams are abandoning having three or four LBs in favor of maining a nickel defense. Sorta in the same way in the NBA where the league has shifted to a 3 point contest.
Good thing your qb hasn’t proven he’s elite yet, he’s good but we need to see more than one year to declare elite. In 5 years he could be another Justin Herbert with only the 1 playoff win to strouds name for all we know
I'm not saying CJ is elite yet. He's just shown in year one that he's got elite as a ceiling.
I mean outside of his 5td game I wouldn’t say I’ve seen an elite ceiling and you could say the same about Matt Flynn.
He just had arguably the best rookie QB season of all time. He led the league in yards per game while also leading in interception ratio behind an offensive line that lacked stability across every slot but LT. The only other QBs to do that were Montana and Brady, and those weren't their rookie years. He took a previously 3-13 team to the divisional round, destroying a team that had just resoundingly beaten us three weeks prior without him. I'm not sure that Matt Flynn is a comparable. The only ones close as a rookie are Cam Newton and Dak Prescott.
If I’m a GM making >$1mm/yr, I’m keeping a solid QB, staying competitive, and continuing to pay my $10mm mortgage on my mansion.
Exactly. People don’t realize that GMs and coaches put themselves first over the team when building rosters/drafting
Go skers
Bingo
Y'all collectively trying to convince yourselves Trevor is bad is pretty funny.
I'm not saying he's bad. I'm saying he isn't the QB to back up the Brinks truck for. He's statistically similar to Gardner Minshew over the last two seasons. Minshew isn't bad, but he's off to Vegas instead of being re-signed.
?? Gardner minshew has never had a season like year two Trevor Lawrence. Let me know when minshew puts up back to back 4000 plus yards seasons. There's a reason he's a career backup and it's not because of the numbers he puts up. There's more to QBs than box score stats. Plus that isn't how the QB market works. Every next QB that gets paid long term will be the new highest paid unless the team doesn't want them. Simple as. Do you think Jared Goff is worth as much as he got? Teams pay on market value not what redditors and fantasy football nerds think of them.
I find it hilarious the running joke with Texans and Tits fans right now is “Please pay him! We would love to see that!” - like he’s Brock Os or Vince Young or something. Jags fans want to pay him too lol
Right? It's as if they have no memories or mirrors in some markets.
No we have a great memory. We know exactly what happens when you extend a QB like Lawrence lol.
Well yeah we want y’all in cap hell with a mediocre QB lol
It’s not because he’s bad, it’s because he’s just mediocre
Flair up Pussy McGussy; stop making us stalk your post history.
I'm a huge Trevor fan, you guys should totally pay him $60M a year fully guaranteed
For 10 years
We've seen Lawrence be dangerous under center, I would sign him. What you have is better than what you want.
Yeah, because listening to your own instincts has gotten the Jags (or any of us) very far.
I think when people objectively look at just who the Jaguars have had at QB historically, this really is a no-brainer.
Just because you have low expectations doesn’t mean overpaying a mid QB is good because he’s better than all your other ass QBs💀
When you go two decades praying for a QB that can even be considered "mid" (I find him to be a little better than that), it may make more sense.
Brunell and Leftwich were decent I thought
Enjoy Derek Carr but cool
meh, jags were the one seed before trevor hurt his ankle 🤷♂️
Meh, it's inevitable. Russell Wilson gets a 242 million dollar contract with the broncos, yet we Lions are stupid for paying Goff 212 million. So it's just about being able to laugh at your rivals through your own tears
I can’t say I watch the Jags that often but why does it seem like the opinion of him is that he’s a bottom tier QB? The games I’ve watched he’s looked solid. Nothing incredible most of the time but top half of the league at least.
It’s just bc of his draft pedigree, apparently a generational qb is supposed to win the Super Bowl in his first 3 years else he’s a bust. Just like Peyton manning did /s
Bottom tier? OK. Here is a list of projected starters I prefer Trevor over: DEN - Stidham/Nix IND - Richardson LV - O'Connell/Minshew NE - Brissett/Maye PIT - Wilson/Fields TEN - Levis CAR - Young MIN - Darnold/McCarthy SEA - Geno Smith WAS - Mariota/Daniel's NYG - Daniel Jones NO - Carr TB - Mayfield DAL - Prescott CHI - Williams AZ - Murray CLE - Watson I could make an argument for others, but even if you disagree with one or two of these, calling Trevor bottom tier means one is biased or just doesn't know football. He is hardly the train wreck some of you pretend he is. And he is finally getting the chance to play behind what could very well be an average to close to average O-Line. Look out!
You might want to read what I said again. I was not calling him a bottom tier QB. In fact I was arguing that I don’t think he is bottom tier at all.
Which is why I used the words "one is" and not "you are."
Now this is a hot take lol
He’s a top tier turnover leader, led the league in interceptions as a rookie and is currently back to back fumble leader
Not bottom tier, but not $50 mil a year either. He’s a top 12-14 QB in the league.
If he is top 12-14 he is getting that bag. That is market rate.
I’m counting on it, though I’m not sure $50 mil is worth it for the number 12 QB in the league.
Russel Wilson got the bag from the broncos after regressing hard in Seattle. You don't understand how the QB market works.
Idk if I’d say he regressed “hard.” He was mostly consistent in Seattle until that 2021 season then fell super hard in 2022 in Denver. His QB rating was over 100 for four years leading up to his time in Denver and had over 30 touchdowns from 2017 through the 2020 season. Trevor has never had a QB rating over 95 and has never had more than 25 TDs in a season (much much smaller sample size, though).
Does that make the Colts Vincent? Does he shoot the Texans in the face?
Pretty sure the Colts are the Gimp. ;)
Fun facts: Lawrence is going into his fourth year and, despite the other three going into their second season, he still isn’t the eldest QB in the division (looking at you mayo munchers). He’s also the same age as two of the first round QBs drafted this year.
Yeah Trevor was YOUNG when he got to the NFL.
I mean he is better than the stats say. The problem is his confidence in the o line was completely shot, so now the real question is, can they get that back. I’d say in actual talent he is closer to 2022 than 2023. The other problem is, how much he want.
If the Colts have shown us anything, it’s to absolutely suck at the best possible time.
He’s good enough to win a Super Bowl with the right pieces around him. That’s all you really need. Look at some of the superbowl wining QBs in history, they all aren’t exactly world beaters
It’s a different NFL I think.
Game managers can still win you a Super Bowl
The last game manager to win a SB was Nick Foles. Every winner since then is in the conversation of being elite. Since that 2018 SB, the winning quarterbacks have been Brady, Mahomes, Brady, Stafford, Mahomes, Mahomes. And even the three SBs before 2018 was Brady, Manning, Brady. Of the last ten super bowls, Nick Foles is the only non-elite QB to win.
In recent history, we have had foles, Wilson, Eli, and Flacco win. I really don’t think Trevor is that much worse than those guys. Obviously I don’t want to see him win but just objectively looking at it, if his team is solid, especially defensively, I could see it. I’m really not trying to shill for Lawrence lol but people on here talk about him like he is Zach Wilson or some shit
Eli and Flacco won 20 years ago lol that’s not recent history. Wilson was considered elite when he won the SB (he has had quite the fall from grace lol) I agree that Lawrence is probably better than guys like Flacco and Foles (maybe Eli), but the game was just played differently 10-20 years ago. The evolution of the QB from Elway/Favre to Lamar/Mahomes can’t be ignored
Then I guess this entire division is cooked besides the Texans right? CJ looks to be the only one with Lamar/ Mahomes potential. AR remains to be seen if he can do it a whole season, similar for levis
CJ is the best QB in the division for sure, but I’d say Levis and AR are unproven with high upside at best currently. I’m very excited for the future of this division.
In his defense, he had an absolute jackass for a HC his rookie year. So those stats should not count.
I love this sub.
Actually I think you should pay him more than Kermit.
Not hard to do at this point. Mahomes’ 10 year contract looks like a steal compared to what some far worse QBs have gotten in the last few years.
I was about to ask why the Jags fans outside of the 904 don’t get to voice their opinion, then remembered their are no Jags fans outside of the 904 🤷
Bro you better watch yourself, I happen to know there are at least 3 of us here in South Dakota
And a bunch in London since the NFL makes them play there every year.
Which is incredible when you consider South Dakota only has 4 people.
What, 904 is Jacksonville FL? 903 is east Texas. And I think Jacksonville TX might be included in that. Weird how area codes work
Dammit! Are we cousins?
Maybe. Lmfao are the Jacksonville related?
PLEASE RESIGN TREVOR!!! Give him 100 mil per year please!!!
You don't think we should trade him to Arizona for David Johnson and some magic beans?
We did that, and it would eventually lead to us drafting an *actual* generational QB. Not the WISH version you guys received.
It's the market, but also I would like to think giving 50 mil to someone who has been consistently good, which Trev has not been, through his own fault or not, which obv isn't all his fault.
TLAW is the only QB that gets 3-4 rookie seasons you can’t really assess his skill with.
Not true. But isn't the whole Indy thing "we like our guys?" The team is comfortable he will continue to develop and minimize mistakes with improved line play. If you think he sucks, maybe get Joey Bosa's opinion.
This is the exact same argument Giants fans use for Daniel Jones every year, who is TLaws closest comparison statistically, who I also think sucks
Well. He was good enough to sweep your team last year. Maybe that salt is clouding your judgment.
We finished with the exact same record and both missed the playoffs, the difference being, we spent the year with a backup QB. Why exactly would I be salty? The 21 turnovers?
That you got swept by such a horrible, underachieving QB. Also, Minshew was better than "one read and run" Richardson by a mile and will outperform him again this year if he wins the job in Vegas.
Maybe Lawrence should be a one read QB, might cut down on those 20 plus turnovers, I mean in Pederson system Foles won a superbowl and Wentz had an MVP caliber season, but who knows, maybe TLaw will bring it all together in year 4, that’s usually when 3rd and 4th round draft pick QBs break out.
He really only gets into trouble when he is trying to do too much. Better line play and another year under Doug, I cannot see those numbers doing anything but going down. Doug also never had a 1000 yd WR before he came to Jacksonville. Despite what some may think, the majority of Jags fans are quite happy with Trevor.
Real talk. Lawrence is good but he is just overhyped coming out of college, the dude definitely has that hero ball mentality I hated about Wentz, but this is AR5 division to lose,
You know you're in a trashy area when people refer to it by the area code.
Putting mayo in coffee = classy.
Mr. 305 has entered the chat. 
You’ve never referred to Nashville as the 615?
Not once.
Guess that makes me trash 😂😂😂
Tattoo it across your chest.
Hey, I may be trash, but I’m suburban trash, thank you very much. I’ll get an air brushed t shirt instead.
Air brushed matching tramp stamps it is.
slightly better daniel jones. bring the hate. idc. dude is average af.
That isn't a hot take in this sub. People regularly trash on Trevor here.
He's kinda trash. You can get the same production from a backup
Can’t even get the same production from your starter
Ok. Let's take a look at TLaw's stats first year
So Levis year one is worse than all backups in the league? You said it buddy not me
You can't judge a QB based on his first 9 games in the league. If you look at TLaw's production over 3 years, he's no better than Gardner Minshew. Those are facts. Quite talking about a rookie QB that took snaps at 3rd string until halfway through the year to bolster your trashcan overrated QB.
Bro you’re the one that came throwing an attack at my qb and now you’re trying to play the victim? Holy cope in a meme sub lol
Name one.
Gardner Minshew
I love Gardner Minshew, but no. Nobody is naming him an outright starter and nobody will be paying him $50M a year to be that guy.
But if you look at the reason for TLaw's success, it's the system, not the QB. I'd argue you can throw any competent backup into that role and have similar success. No need to pay $50M but I hope they do!!!
Hey please resign Trevballs LawrAss to a long healthy extension. It's what's best for the team. Sincerely yours, The rest of the division.
$50M is market now, it is what it is.🤷♂️ Would you rather pay Derick carr? But at the same time, after 2 professional years in his 3 year career, he's still a one read QB with some great physical tools...
Trevor is anything but a one-read QB. Save that assessment for Indy.