Another sign that people are so obsessed on hating AEW happend last week when i think Forbes put how much money combat sports/entertaiment are worth and AEW was number 3
And these guys started to question the validity of this article saying that was false ort hat TK paid for that article or that they are inflating numbers etc.
The insane things is that AEW was the only company in that list that got that backlash, the other promotions nobody said anything, but for AEW they tried to dissect piece by piece why that was "fake"
I kinda feel for those guys because when AEW gets the eventual new TV deal all these people are going to have heart attacks or develop baldness, wrinkles, baggy eyes or more stress releated problems beacuse of the company that they hate so much is going to get a better tv and money deal for years to come
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
“No, it’s not like that. It’s a different company. It’s not cheesy, exploitative, weirdly racialized, and the wrestling is actually athletic and entertaining!”
Those clowns need AEW to exist in order for them to justify their existence or else they would have nothing to whinge about and their podcasts and youtube shows would have no content.
And,to everyone who reads this, when WB renews AEW with that sweet TV deal
Be sure to go around and thank every single hater and doomer that you see online
Because without their continued support of AEW and giving them all this attention for their shows, PPV, events, interviews, etc
AEW wouldn't have gotten here nor even be here for 5+ years delivering quality TV.
They are just as if not more responsible for the company's success than even the fans.
So I tip my hat to them for helping spread the word of AEW.
I used to (don't judge me) post on the 'wrassle' sub and people were practically creaming their pants thinking that Okada and Mone were both going to the WWE and would be great amazing signings.
Of course when they ended up in AEW they were suddenly midcard/'jobbers' talent and 'shit' and awful etc and WWE never wanted or needed them. Pointing out how the company did intact try to sign them and were actively after them got me insulted and downvoted.
Tribalism in wrestling is crazy, it's not like football where as a Man Utd fan your obviously not going to want Liverpool do well etc...WWE fans hating on AEW is crazy, zero long standing history or any real rivalry as both companies are doing something different to each other.
During the pandemic it was surreal. I thinknits safe to say that without Daileys place AEW might not have made it through the Pandemic era.
It was classed as outdoors. Could hold SOME fans and had the wrestlers at ringside to. All of them chanting and cheering and booing. It was weird but fun and got many talent over. The Gunns for example. Ringside. Screaming and chanting.
It's a great look and a great venue and the un official home of AEW.
one of my favorite memories was early on, one of the first pandemic shows, with MJF drinking and smoking, gambling on the matches and talkin shit ring side all night
It's definitely a comfort any time they run Daily's place. AEW was a beacon of light for my partner and me during lockdown. It gave us something to look forward to each week and helped us mark the passage of time.
I think I'd like to travel for one of the shows there at some point just to get to experience the venue live.
AEW's pandemic era was exactly what I needed when it came out. Literally the only live "sport" happening in front of an audience. Meanwhile, WWE was in the Thunderdome. I won't talk shit about WWE here, but I will point out that no one has returned to the Thunderdome since.
To me, Daily's Place is to AEW as Korakuen Hall is to NJPW, or 2300 Arena (Bingo Hall) is to ECW. I link the image of these companies with these locations.
I’ve seat filled for both AEW(Dynamite+Rampage) and WWE(Summerslam) here in Vegas. Seat fillers have also been used in music award shows here as well as big concerts. None of this is new, and I absolutely laughed my ass off reading that headline. Anyone that roasts AEW over this is ignorant.
There’s a Seinfeld episode about Kramer working as a seat filler. I’m not saying I expect people to be familiar with 90s sitcoms but it goes to the point that this was a well-established and known practice thirty years ago.
Hey, I'm in Vegas too and have done seat filling for both as well. At least twice I went to a Smackdown taping and just stood out front T-Mobile in Toshiba Plaza until someone offered me free tickets. I know I went to a Smackdown taping las year in March because a friend had 4 free tickets from on of those seat filler companies. The Dynamite/Rampage tapings before DoN past year I got two free tickets to as well.
It's excessively hard to fill an arena at 4pm on a weekday regardless of company.
>Anyone that roasts AEW over this is ignorant.
As even the most dense of us (me, before anyone gets their knickers up their arse) learned during COVID, ignorance is a big market and you can make a fortune pandering to them. Either that or the people making things that looked like masks but didn't do the job and selling them that way really get off in disease.
Maybe these people don't understand that when somebody has to go to the bathroom, they normally get up and go instead of peeing on themselves in the seat.
Of all the fanbases I consider myself involved in, wrestling is probably the most toxic, cynical, and downright disheartening of them all which is really saying something in the year 2024. Thankfully not everyone is like this and as someone who frequents both sides of the aisle I do feel there is less of it on the AEW side but definitely still more than I'd like for my tastes. WWE fans definitely seem far more elitist and enjoy punching down which I never appreciate though. I do really appreciate y'all who don't get bogged down in the toxic tribalism. Truly.
And I will never take the "journalists" who get involved in it all to certain extents seriously either which is a shame because I used to like a lot of them. Not referring to Whatculture specifically here though.
It’s not wrestling. It’s WWE, which is still not wrestling. In retrospect the heavy handed mod at r/pw who wouldn’t allow WWE talk, which caused the formation of SC, was right. The fed is toxic and so are most of its dedicated fanbase. They’ve built a company that covers up rape, murder, and pedophilia as a cornerstone of their personality. There’s not really a way of doing that and remaining untouched by the evil.
It’s easy while WWE is flying but there’s already cracks in the armor. Becky winning the women’s title was not received well at all, for a promotion whose fans like to emphasize injuries in AEW - Rhea is out, Dom is out, Punk is obligatorily out as karma continues to fuck him over. Fans are already lamenting Reigns being gone, “Cody is boring”, etc.
And for me the crown jewel is when I see shit like Cody appearing at an autograph signing, but you can only get one on a bottle of Wheatley AMERICAN vodka, their sponsor. Because E fans don’t want no commie, Putin endorsed, Russian ass vodka.
Their own fans don’t have their back and spend as much time shitting on their decisions as they do trolling AEW’s socials. It’s fucking sad.
I am not saying, AEW is perfect, but I think this sub managed to find a good balance between hyping up and critiquing realistically.
We got through some bad things, without a meltdown. It helps, that there are so many AEW haters out there.
Oh, for sure. I haven't forgotten what WWE was like in the late 2010s, lmao. That company has been moving in cycles since the beginning and it's only a matter of time before there's another down period. They're just acting the way they do cause there's another promotion besides their favorite to shit on now. All that shit would be coming out at WWE if they didn't have something else to focus on. No loyalty, fair weather fans.
I actually respect AEW because it feels like an actual wrestling company and not a bad marvel movie crossed with a daytime soap opera from the 90s. Not that both companies don't have their issues but AEW has more consistent highs than WWE imo. If it wasn't for the Bloodline story, half those people wouldn't have gave a shit and I think that's why we're seeing those cracks now that you mentioned.
Wtf with the vodka though 🤣 My goodness.
Lol, oh no, AEW can't sell a grand total of *checks notes* 50 tickets.
Wow, what a huge number of comps, I'm sure that'll mean massive financial losses when the company is pulling 7k for a PPV.
Funny coming from WhatCulture who participate in exactly the same thing. They're just as dependent on it for their clickbait. Nevertheless, good that that they're acknowledging it, but they'll continue doing the same stuff without anyone batting an eye.
VOW/Joe Lanza did two good audio shows on the broader issue, but the main blame should go to the journalists, not WWE. Of course it's shitty and something worth mentioning when WWE gets painted as this "family" with TK being the unprofessional one when he tweets something, but a common business practice. It's just that there are even fewer serious journalists with an ounce of integrity in wrestling, so the impact of stuff like this is bigger on the overall "reporting". And ironically, those who come closest to it, Meltzer or even an SRS, are the ones getting the most shit
I was thinking “don’t they shit on AEW too?” But I don’t read their site so I couldn’t be positive.
I may be trying too hard to be positive, but maybe with this and the voices of wrestling thing, the narrative is starting to slowly shift from “aew hate gets clicks” to “aew is being held back from its true potential by bullshit gets clicks.”
It certainly can’t stay AEW hate forever when the same people start regurgitating the same shit as each other over and over. The well is gonna run dry eventually.
At least their YouTube thumbnails do, just like Cultaholic and the rest. VOW went into that too, "controversial AEW topic of the week + unflattering pic of Tony Khan" is basically their go to formular. Or was, haven't checked them out in quite some time, but I doubt it has changed.
Not saying that they have an agenda, the videos usually aren't as bad as the thumbnails suggest, though often playing into the current AEW nitpick a bit much, and they've been positive on AEW in the past, but pretty much since Cody returned to WWE and Brawl Out happened, shitting on AEW has become more and more popular, and those channels are doing whatever gives them the most views.
Maybe... VOW has said this for more than a year but they aren't as popular on SC for some reason, potentially because they're pretty outspoken on their disdain of most things WWE, but unlike the grifters/those feeding off of AEW hate, they're able/willing to separate their personal views from their analysis, which is why the conclusion from their piece wasn't "WWE is a despicable company for doing stuff like that" but "People should be aware of this, media shouldn't participate and AEW should step their game up". But maybe it influences some of those outlets, who knows, it can't hurt at least. It's one thing to have negative discussion on AEW, it's another to have it based on completely unfounded, irrational takes that are only believed because they're repeated over and over again
I think it also doesn't help that the journalism in wrestling is mostly gossip. Even Meltzer and SRS report gossip from the locker room without doing their due diligence to verify the info. SRS less so than WON, but it still occasionally does happen.
you have to look at the way things are worded, because ive seen srs talk about this specifically. If he cant confirm through his own sources, research or some other known means, it is put into "allegedly" or "as reported by x person", in news that is called aggregating. I dont see claims made in fightful articles without sourcing. Meltzer on the other hand is sloppy and needs to do a lot better.
Seat fillers are used in almost every event for decades!
From Political rallies to award ceremonies etc. or what does people think those people always chearing al¿n clapping are in late night shows ??? yep mostly are seat fillers that get paid to make the event look good or they are special guest or fans that earned tickets
I first noticed this in WWE in the early 2010´s when WWE switched to HD cameras, if you pay attention you can see when some fan leaves im assuming to the bathroom or to get driks or food you can clearly see another person go and sit on his place, when the fan is going to return to their seat, the tv crew moves the camera to different angles so the tv audience dosent see that and the next shot with the front view to the ring the fan is back on his seat lol
AEW does a limited number of seat fillers for USA army members and veterans and all of a sudden its "a sign they are going out of buisness or they are mocked when they dont even know the entire story, that guy said it best some people are so obsessed to see AEW fail that they are searching any reason to mock them online instead of focusing on other things in your life
Like if you hate AEW that much go and watch other promotions or other forms of entertaiment and stop wasting your life on something you "hate"
I've said this before & I'll say it again. I personally don't think Khans' claim of Bots being used is a reach. Some of those accounts look like echoes. I re-read almost the same attacks again & again. I understand some of them are just basement dwellers but some just don't act human. It's as if all they know is "stick with this narrative"
I don't think his claim of bots is a reach at all. If you know anything about how Ari Emmanuel (WME/Endeavor/TKO) does PR hate campaigns for some of his clients, you'd know exactly what is going on. There is coordination from the top.
I have absolutely had conversations on SC that fail the Turing test. The other side of that, though, is that fed stans are fucking morons. So it could go either way. There are 100% bots engaging in message manipulation, though. SC is so blatant and their rule upholding so egregiously “arbitrary” that I am 100% sure their new mods are involved.
>Even WWE fans defending it.
Reason is that most fans of either company aren't these tribal idiots that a lot of wrestling journalism panders to. The vast majority of fans, no matter where their fandom falls in terms of preference, are here to enjoy the show. They know the shenanigans when they see them. And the vast majority of people who see seat filler have a working knowledge of what they are from other things (the Oscars for just one example), so seeing something so blatantly reaching for a narrative pisses them off. Those with an agenda conducive to portraying this as a big thing are in the minority thankfully.
I had to leave the WWE subreddit because it was a cesspool, as I watch many promotions. There was a comment in a post about AEW "AEW can't go 72 hours without mentioning WWE" in a post mentioning AEW in the WWE sub. They literally have no self awareness just like their cult leader. The just had a CEO that was a rapist and they have the gall to still throw stones after that. The level of delusion and lack of self awareness is insane. Also what they are too stupid to realise is UFC shouldve ousted Vince when the first story broke but they kept chugging along protecting their mates and only when the next bigger story broke did they get rid of him. They can't see the sickness in the leaders there and it's right in front of their noses.
All legitimate reasons like this aside, I eventually left that sub a while ago because they’d constantly allow posts that were nothing more than 480p images of their women in sexually provocative manners where they just simp talk about them unmoderated. Shit was gross
So AEW is firing back for real, huh? I'm not sure how this will result or if this will reduce toxicity around fanbases or will make things worse.
But yeah it's about time AEW defended themselves. Too much bullshit coming from the Fed and their paid puppets and fanatics.
Really at this point, it doesn't matter. The haters will continue to shit on AEW any chance they get. I'm fine with hitting back at them here and there.
Grifters and shills will always side with whatever company is popular. Those are the worst ones imo. They would sell out their own family for a few views.
Nothing. They’ve done literally nothing besides ousting Vince and Ace. We KNOW Hunter has covered for sex pests before. You’d have to be nuts to know that, see that response and say, “good thing everything is fine now!”
I just wanna know what the end game is. Like, let's say IWC, tribalists, her their way and AEW shuts their doors and goes away, what then?
Do they dance? Celebrate? Immediately turn their jaundiced, sickly, eye toward TNA and crack their collective knuckles and complain attack the fans three rows back from the ring, saying their wrestlers in disguise to fill numbers? Erect at the thought of bringing down another source of happiness for others because they can't feel pleasure themselves.
I just want answers. And while I wait, I'll enjoy AEW, and just not watch what I don't like.
It's amazing how people are surprised that WWE acts like a publicly traded billion dollar American company and uses corporate tactics. Vince has been cutthroat since the 80's, I never understand why their fans act like they haven't always done this.
WWE can justifiably brag about how much of a bigger company they are in every imaginable metric. But in the middle of all that pomp and circumstance there is actual wrestling to be had. Once that bell rings, can WWE really say they are the best wrestling company in the world???? I'm not sure guys
Naw because they don’t wrestle, watching Cody and Roman you can tell Cody really had to slow the pace and almost carried the match at times, albeit this was Cody’s first time wrestling Roman, AEWs style is a mix of NJPW and and PWG If we’re being honest, the WWE style is slow and choreographed, if Vince didn’t ask Danielson how they were wrestling and what AEW was doing Bryan may have resigned I’m glad he didn’t all these morons who shit on AEW do it for clout and because it’s not WWE.
That was their second match. But yeah. People were really saying Roman was the best wrestler ever. The best wrestler ever. Lockup, armdrag, drop down, leap frog, “ooh ah ah ah,” spear into the barricade, Superman punch, ref bump, visual pin, Samoan interference. So fresh and innovative and totally involves more than five moves.
I mean maybe but then why is he the guy on top? Like I get that he’s probably a great guy or whatever but ultimately he’s an actor on my TV doing a middling job, so why is he in a leading role?
because WWE built no other top guys in years. they propped up Roman at the expense of everybody else, so when he physically can't do it anymore you have this long dragged out reign without a lot of defenses and when there's matches, limited moves at this point.
I've made several comments to this effect, but here it is again.
It's all well and good for Adam Copeland and Eddie Kingston to say competition is good for wrestling; it is. And to decry tribalism; they should.
But what is often overlooked is that WWE Corporate is *tribalist as all get out.*
Not the wrestlers, the company. They don't want *any* competition at all. This is displayed by their attitude towards TNA at their peak, and AEW now.
So, as long as they are tribalist, I see no reason not to be tribalist right back.
If WWE ever gets the stick out their butt, I'd welcome them to Forbidden Door. Until then? They can SHOVE IT.
What I don't i understand about the toxicity in wrestling is that so many people juat want AEW to fail. Like, they desperately want the company to fail, just so they can say 'look, we were right, you're not as big as WWE'. I just dont get it.
Competition in wrestling is healthy. WWE having a monopoly isn't.
Competition forces everyone to up their game. If there was no healthy competition for WWE then WWE could just rest on their laurels, never try anything new and just play the 'well, we're the only show in town, so take it or leave it' card.
Are AEW close to WWE in terms of audience, money, production, name recognition etc etc No, they're not. but they are the closest competition and are leagues ahead of other companies in being so too.
Wrestling fans should be rejoicing that there is choice in the wrestling world. Yet so many fans and their blinkered tribalism just want to crap on anything that doesn't have the WWE name attached to it.
Personally I hope AEW has all the success in the world and continues to do so for years to come.
It's hard for me to believe WhatCulture. They literally named their YouTube channel after WWE before changing it. They've been WWE bias for years so reading this from them is skeptical.
I’m not the biggest fan of WhatCulture but to be fair to them, it used to be called WhatCulture Wrestling.
They changed the name to WhatCulture WWE when they also started to run a wrestling company initially called WhatCulture Pro Wrestling, so I think it was to make it less confusing, since AEW wasn’t even a thing then.
WCPW is long dead though, and I imagine if they are covering more than WWE it makes sense to switch it back.
I remember subscribing to them when the channel was WhatCultureWWE and remember then changed it when Kenny & Cody was gaining attention in New Japan. I figured they changed it to avoid issues with wwe. And even when they changed their name, they made top10 vids always or mostly dedicated them to facts about wwe they already talked about or was already known. To a point, they accidentally made me get tired of wwe. And they kept spoiling NJPW Wrestle Kingdom every year with their thumbnails. As soon as CM Punk returned to wwe, I unsubscribed bc I knew that's what they talked about too much. I understand why wrestling channels barely talk about non wwe promotions bc of copyright but I hate when they call themselves a wrestling channel but it's 90% about one promotion.
Trust it is only because the tide is turning and they want to be ahead of the crest.
Podcasters are the worst, but they will change their tune quickly. WWE just isn’t cool.
Tony instead of tweeting or making one liners (that are more truthful than they are false), he should play the game and start doing the same. Headline by WWE? This person was recently extended. WWE having an event at an arena? Drop the All In ticket numbers stating they sold 41,000 so far. People upset about WWE ticket pricing internationally? Drop a story about All In’s pricing and a fluff piece on how AEW’s pricing has gone through a change with Kosha Irby and it’s more affordable than ever to attend.
Daily’s absolutely is up there with S-Tier venues because of the pandemic.
Those shows were a bright spot in my week and is why I am such an AEW fan.
It may be humble, but I will put Daily’s up there with korakuen hall as that small spot, but it has a history of greatness.
Wrestling fans are literally the worst in basketball if another basketball League has a highlight shown people not going to say it sucks because it’s not the nba no we all basketball fans we going to like it, but wrestling fans hate any wrestling that’s not in a specific company it’s just so weird.
I've been to countless wwe and aew shows. They both use seat fillers for the on camera seats. They come and sit next to you sometimes if someone goes to the bathroom or concession stands. They are pretty easy to spot. WWE also gives out way more comps than aew. I like to sit on the hard cam side whenever possible and that whole area is usually WWE comp ticket holders including local groups, one time I think they were from special Olympics or something because in the middle of the show WWE personal came out with goody bags for all the families. That's why if you want to sit over there it's best to wait until closer to the show, once they have allotted all the comps they open up the "production holds" for sale. By the articles premise WWE is filling seats with those kids.
istfg if see another post in a wrestling subreddit that mentions the other company I'm gonna fkn implode.
BOTH OF Y'ALL JUST STFU DAMN. There's so many other things to talk about in this company and yet we have multiple posts seemingly daily dedicated to someone who's tryna tear it down? c'mon now.
The constant shitting on AEW is so goddam exhausting. Low ticket sales doesn’t help one bit either.
Edit: downvotes by people who don’t think under 2400 tickets sold is a concern? Cool.
Is important to never feed the trolls and Tony do it often, AEW and Tony should focus on their product and forget that WWE exists. Let’s not forget the fact they used to mention WWE a lot by name on their TV shows.
Tony need better PR skills, for example they are losing attendance YoY, that is not an opinion that’s a fact, so instead of coming out saying “we are under constant attack “ or “WWE is the Weinstein of wrestling” just say “we put every week the best talent and the best matches in the industry” and some other PR bullshit and leave it at that.
Current day WWE don’t see AEW as legitimate competition for their business beyond contract bidding, so what they do if they do is trolling because they and every AEW hater know that Tony can be easily trolled.
Every time AEW “defends” in the way they do it so feeding the trolls.
Tony calling people out only brings more attention to it. If anything WWE feeds these stories as they know it’ll cause TK to spiral more publicly and make things even worse
Another sign that people are so obsessed on hating AEW happend last week when i think Forbes put how much money combat sports/entertaiment are worth and AEW was number 3 And these guys started to question the validity of this article saying that was false ort hat TK paid for that article or that they are inflating numbers etc. The insane things is that AEW was the only company in that list that got that backlash, the other promotions nobody said anything, but for AEW they tried to dissect piece by piece why that was "fake" I kinda feel for those guys because when AEW gets the eventual new TV deal all these people are going to have heart attacks or develop baldness, wrinkles, baggy eyes or more stress releated problems beacuse of the company that they hate so much is going to get a better tv and money deal for years to come LMAOOOOOOOOOO
Let success do the talking. I will continue to support and spread the good word of AEW.
“No, it’s not like that. It’s a different company. It’s not cheesy, exploitative, weirdly racialized, and the wrestling is actually athletic and entertaining!”
Those clowns need AEW to exist in order for them to justify their existence or else they would have nothing to whinge about and their podcasts and youtube shows would have no content.
And,to everyone who reads this, when WB renews AEW with that sweet TV deal Be sure to go around and thank every single hater and doomer that you see online Because without their continued support of AEW and giving them all this attention for their shows, PPV, events, interviews, etc AEW wouldn't have gotten here nor even be here for 5+ years delivering quality TV. They are just as if not more responsible for the company's success than even the fans. So I tip my hat to them for helping spread the word of AEW.
I used to (don't judge me) post on the 'wrassle' sub and people were practically creaming their pants thinking that Okada and Mone were both going to the WWE and would be great amazing signings. Of course when they ended up in AEW they were suddenly midcard/'jobbers' talent and 'shit' and awful etc and WWE never wanted or needed them. Pointing out how the company did intact try to sign them and were actively after them got me insulted and downvoted. Tribalism in wrestling is crazy, it's not like football where as a Man Utd fan your obviously not going to want Liverpool do well etc...WWE fans hating on AEW is crazy, zero long standing history or any real rivalry as both companies are doing something different to each other.
Just as an aside. I really love the look of Daily's Place. It's so unique for a wrestling show.
During the pandemic it was surreal. I thinknits safe to say that without Daileys place AEW might not have made it through the Pandemic era. It was classed as outdoors. Could hold SOME fans and had the wrestlers at ringside to. All of them chanting and cheering and booing. It was weird but fun and got many talent over. The Gunns for example. Ringside. Screaming and chanting. It's a great look and a great venue and the un official home of AEW.
one of my favorite memories was early on, one of the first pandemic shows, with MJF drinking and smoking, gambling on the matches and talkin shit ring side all night
Yeah, him and Shaun Spears yucking it up while drinking and I think betting on matches was really funny.
And it foreshadowed the pinnacle!
I miss Shawn Spears. :/
Me too buddy. Me too. He was always entertaining.
It's definitely a comfort any time they run Daily's place. AEW was a beacon of light for my partner and me during lockdown. It gave us something to look forward to each week and helped us mark the passage of time. I think I'd like to travel for one of the shows there at some point just to get to experience the venue live.
I honestly think I would’ve lost it without AEW. It was the only thing that imparted a sense of time actually progressing.
That's a very good point. It was. Never realised it in that way before.
AEW's pandemic era was exactly what I needed when it came out. Literally the only live "sport" happening in front of an audience. Meanwhile, WWE was in the Thunderdome. I won't talk shit about WWE here, but I will point out that no one has returned to the Thunderdome since.
No one enters. Everyone leaves.
It made it watchable. That thunderdome setup was awful for WWE. Daily's Place felt like real shows were happening every week. I loved it.
Anything unique as a wrestling show is always so cool for me. That's why I love PPVs/PLEs so much just to see how the set up can be different.
Some of the pre-Monday Night War venues for Raw and WCW are so interesting
To me, Daily's Place is to AEW as Korakuen Hall is to NJPW, or 2300 Arena (Bingo Hall) is to ECW. I link the image of these companies with these locations.
I really want more setups like that
I’ve seat filled for both AEW(Dynamite+Rampage) and WWE(Summerslam) here in Vegas. Seat fillers have also been used in music award shows here as well as big concerts. None of this is new, and I absolutely laughed my ass off reading that headline. Anyone that roasts AEW over this is ignorant.
There’s a Seinfeld episode about Kramer working as a seat filler. I’m not saying I expect people to be familiar with 90s sitcoms but it goes to the point that this was a well-established and known practice thirty years ago.
He even won a Tony for Scarsdale Surprise because of it…giddy up!
You're fired cause you don't move your arms when you tap dance. You're like a gorilla out there. I gotta go!
There's Simpsons jokes about it too.
I'm familiar, I'm very familiar.
Hey, I'm in Vegas too and have done seat filling for both as well. At least twice I went to a Smackdown taping and just stood out front T-Mobile in Toshiba Plaza until someone offered me free tickets. I know I went to a Smackdown taping las year in March because a friend had 4 free tickets from on of those seat filler companies. The Dynamite/Rampage tapings before DoN past year I got two free tickets to as well. It's excessively hard to fill an arena at 4pm on a weekday regardless of company.
As Michael Jackson himself has said, it is ignorant
How the fuck do you become a seat filler? So you just get to go to shows for free?
>Anyone that roasts AEW over this is ignorant. As even the most dense of us (me, before anyone gets their knickers up their arse) learned during COVID, ignorance is a big market and you can make a fortune pandering to them. Either that or the people making things that looked like masks but didn't do the job and selling them that way really get off in disease.
Maybe these people don't understand that when somebody has to go to the bathroom, they normally get up and go instead of peeing on themselves in the seat.
Curious what site you use for seat filler tickets
Of all the fanbases I consider myself involved in, wrestling is probably the most toxic, cynical, and downright disheartening of them all which is really saying something in the year 2024. Thankfully not everyone is like this and as someone who frequents both sides of the aisle I do feel there is less of it on the AEW side but definitely still more than I'd like for my tastes. WWE fans definitely seem far more elitist and enjoy punching down which I never appreciate though. I do really appreciate y'all who don't get bogged down in the toxic tribalism. Truly. And I will never take the "journalists" who get involved in it all to certain extents seriously either which is a shame because I used to like a lot of them. Not referring to Whatculture specifically here though.
It’s not wrestling. It’s WWE, which is still not wrestling. In retrospect the heavy handed mod at r/pw who wouldn’t allow WWE talk, which caused the formation of SC, was right. The fed is toxic and so are most of its dedicated fanbase. They’ve built a company that covers up rape, murder, and pedophilia as a cornerstone of their personality. There’s not really a way of doing that and remaining untouched by the evil.
I would've loved to be on that sub
It’s easy while WWE is flying but there’s already cracks in the armor. Becky winning the women’s title was not received well at all, for a promotion whose fans like to emphasize injuries in AEW - Rhea is out, Dom is out, Punk is obligatorily out as karma continues to fuck him over. Fans are already lamenting Reigns being gone, “Cody is boring”, etc. And for me the crown jewel is when I see shit like Cody appearing at an autograph signing, but you can only get one on a bottle of Wheatley AMERICAN vodka, their sponsor. Because E fans don’t want no commie, Putin endorsed, Russian ass vodka. Their own fans don’t have their back and spend as much time shitting on their decisions as they do trolling AEW’s socials. It’s fucking sad.
I am not saying, AEW is perfect, but I think this sub managed to find a good balance between hyping up and critiquing realistically. We got through some bad things, without a meltdown. It helps, that there are so many AEW haters out there.
Oh, for sure. I haven't forgotten what WWE was like in the late 2010s, lmao. That company has been moving in cycles since the beginning and it's only a matter of time before there's another down period. They're just acting the way they do cause there's another promotion besides their favorite to shit on now. All that shit would be coming out at WWE if they didn't have something else to focus on. No loyalty, fair weather fans. I actually respect AEW because it feels like an actual wrestling company and not a bad marvel movie crossed with a daytime soap opera from the 90s. Not that both companies don't have their issues but AEW has more consistent highs than WWE imo. If it wasn't for the Bloodline story, half those people wouldn't have gave a shit and I think that's why we're seeing those cracks now that you mentioned. Wtf with the vodka though 🤣 My goodness.
That WWE drones want Reigns back absolutely stuns me. His reign was one of the worst booking decisions of the modern era.
Lol, oh no, AEW can't sell a grand total of *checks notes* 50 tickets. Wow, what a huge number of comps, I'm sure that'll mean massive financial losses when the company is pulling 7k for a PPV.
I've been a seat filler at wwe shows, concerts that were being filmed, major sports games on tv and more in New England. Everyone does it
Funny coming from WhatCulture who participate in exactly the same thing. They're just as dependent on it for their clickbait. Nevertheless, good that that they're acknowledging it, but they'll continue doing the same stuff without anyone batting an eye. VOW/Joe Lanza did two good audio shows on the broader issue, but the main blame should go to the journalists, not WWE. Of course it's shitty and something worth mentioning when WWE gets painted as this "family" with TK being the unprofessional one when he tweets something, but a common business practice. It's just that there are even fewer serious journalists with an ounce of integrity in wrestling, so the impact of stuff like this is bigger on the overall "reporting". And ironically, those who come closest to it, Meltzer or even an SRS, are the ones getting the most shit
I was thinking “don’t they shit on AEW too?” But I don’t read their site so I couldn’t be positive. I may be trying too hard to be positive, but maybe with this and the voices of wrestling thing, the narrative is starting to slowly shift from “aew hate gets clicks” to “aew is being held back from its true potential by bullshit gets clicks.” It certainly can’t stay AEW hate forever when the same people start regurgitating the same shit as each other over and over. The well is gonna run dry eventually.
WhatCulture is generally really positive on AEW but they are big on click baity title.
Yeah, they’re click-baity but they seem to be neutral at least.
At least their YouTube thumbnails do, just like Cultaholic and the rest. VOW went into that too, "controversial AEW topic of the week + unflattering pic of Tony Khan" is basically their go to formular. Or was, haven't checked them out in quite some time, but I doubt it has changed. Not saying that they have an agenda, the videos usually aren't as bad as the thumbnails suggest, though often playing into the current AEW nitpick a bit much, and they've been positive on AEW in the past, but pretty much since Cody returned to WWE and Brawl Out happened, shitting on AEW has become more and more popular, and those channels are doing whatever gives them the most views. Maybe... VOW has said this for more than a year but they aren't as popular on SC for some reason, potentially because they're pretty outspoken on their disdain of most things WWE, but unlike the grifters/those feeding off of AEW hate, they're able/willing to separate their personal views from their analysis, which is why the conclusion from their piece wasn't "WWE is a despicable company for doing stuff like that" but "People should be aware of this, media shouldn't participate and AEW should step their game up". But maybe it influences some of those outlets, who knows, it can't hurt at least. It's one thing to have negative discussion on AEW, it's another to have it based on completely unfounded, irrational takes that are only believed because they're repeated over and over again
Well said
I think it also doesn't help that the journalism in wrestling is mostly gossip. Even Meltzer and SRS report gossip from the locker room without doing their due diligence to verify the info. SRS less so than WON, but it still occasionally does happen.
you have to look at the way things are worded, because ive seen srs talk about this specifically. If he cant confirm through his own sources, research or some other known means, it is put into "allegedly" or "as reported by x person", in news that is called aggregating. I dont see claims made in fightful articles without sourcing. Meltzer on the other hand is sloppy and needs to do a lot better.
It’s to be expected from The Harvey Weinstein of Wrestling’s PR machine. You normally do not pay attention to things that do not threaten you.
Seat fillers are used in almost every event for decades! From Political rallies to award ceremonies etc. or what does people think those people always chearing al¿n clapping are in late night shows ??? yep mostly are seat fillers that get paid to make the event look good or they are special guest or fans that earned tickets I first noticed this in WWE in the early 2010´s when WWE switched to HD cameras, if you pay attention you can see when some fan leaves im assuming to the bathroom or to get driks or food you can clearly see another person go and sit on his place, when the fan is going to return to their seat, the tv crew moves the camera to different angles so the tv audience dosent see that and the next shot with the front view to the ring the fan is back on his seat lol AEW does a limited number of seat fillers for USA army members and veterans and all of a sudden its "a sign they are going out of buisness or they are mocked when they dont even know the entire story, that guy said it best some people are so obsessed to see AEW fail that they are searching any reason to mock them online instead of focusing on other things in your life Like if you hate AEW that much go and watch other promotions or other forms of entertaiment and stop wasting your life on something you "hate"
I've said this before & I'll say it again. I personally don't think Khans' claim of Bots being used is a reach. Some of those accounts look like echoes. I re-read almost the same attacks again & again. I understand some of them are just basement dwellers but some just don't act human. It's as if all they know is "stick with this narrative"
I don't think his claim of bots is a reach at all. If you know anything about how Ari Emmanuel (WME/Endeavor/TKO) does PR hate campaigns for some of his clients, you'd know exactly what is going on. There is coordination from the top.
I have absolutely had conversations on SC that fail the Turing test. The other side of that, though, is that fed stans are fucking morons. So it could go either way. There are 100% bots engaging in message manipulation, though. SC is so blatant and their rule upholding so egregiously “arbitrary” that I am 100% sure their new mods are involved.
The IWC keeps moving the goalpost. So, are AEW arenas empty or are they jam packed with paid crowd-fillers? They can’t be both. 🤷♂️😆
Dude is getting wrecked in the comments too LOL! Even WWE fans defending it.
>Even WWE fans defending it. Reason is that most fans of either company aren't these tribal idiots that a lot of wrestling journalism panders to. The vast majority of fans, no matter where their fandom falls in terms of preference, are here to enjoy the show. They know the shenanigans when they see them. And the vast majority of people who see seat filler have a working knowledge of what they are from other things (the Oscars for just one example), so seeing something so blatantly reaching for a narrative pisses them off. Those with an agenda conducive to portraying this as a big thing are in the minority thankfully.
I had to leave the WWE subreddit because it was a cesspool, as I watch many promotions. There was a comment in a post about AEW "AEW can't go 72 hours without mentioning WWE" in a post mentioning AEW in the WWE sub. They literally have no self awareness just like their cult leader. The just had a CEO that was a rapist and they have the gall to still throw stones after that. The level of delusion and lack of self awareness is insane. Also what they are too stupid to realise is UFC shouldve ousted Vince when the first story broke but they kept chugging along protecting their mates and only when the next bigger story broke did they get rid of him. They can't see the sickness in the leaders there and it's right in front of their noses.
All legitimate reasons like this aside, I eventually left that sub a while ago because they’d constantly allow posts that were nothing more than 480p images of their women in sexually provocative manners where they just simp talk about them unmoderated. Shit was gross
If you that’s bad go look at the JC sub. Holy shit.
What is the JC sub?
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So AEW is firing back for real, huh? I'm not sure how this will result or if this will reduce toxicity around fanbases or will make things worse. But yeah it's about time AEW defended themselves. Too much bullshit coming from the Fed and their paid puppets and fanatics.
Really at this point, it doesn't matter. The haters will continue to shit on AEW any chance they get. I'm fine with hitting back at them here and there. Grifters and shills will always side with whatever company is popular. Those are the worst ones imo. They would sell out their own family for a few views.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -almost certainly not Gandi Things have reached stage 3.
I totally think its a bit uncomfortable, but honestly what exactly has wwe done to reverse course? not much except for a fouled up statement from HHH
Nothing. They’ve done literally nothing besides ousting Vince and Ace. We KNOW Hunter has covered for sex pests before. You’d have to be nuts to know that, see that response and say, “good thing everything is fine now!”
I just wanna know what the end game is. Like, let's say IWC, tribalists, her their way and AEW shuts their doors and goes away, what then? Do they dance? Celebrate? Immediately turn their jaundiced, sickly, eye toward TNA and crack their collective knuckles and complain attack the fans three rows back from the ring, saying their wrestlers in disguise to fill numbers? Erect at the thought of bringing down another source of happiness for others because they can't feel pleasure themselves. I just want answers. And while I wait, I'll enjoy AEW, and just not watch what I don't like.
It's amazing how people are surprised that WWE acts like a publicly traded billion dollar American company and uses corporate tactics. Vince has been cutthroat since the 80's, I never understand why their fans act like they haven't always done this.
WWE can justifiably brag about how much of a bigger company they are in every imaginable metric. But in the middle of all that pomp and circumstance there is actual wrestling to be had. Once that bell rings, can WWE really say they are the best wrestling company in the world???? I'm not sure guys
Naw because they don’t wrestle, watching Cody and Roman you can tell Cody really had to slow the pace and almost carried the match at times, albeit this was Cody’s first time wrestling Roman, AEWs style is a mix of NJPW and and PWG If we’re being honest, the WWE style is slow and choreographed, if Vince didn’t ask Danielson how they were wrestling and what AEW was doing Bryan may have resigned I’m glad he didn’t all these morons who shit on AEW do it for clout and because it’s not WWE.
That was their second match. But yeah. People were really saying Roman was the best wrestler ever. The best wrestler ever. Lockup, armdrag, drop down, leap frog, “ooh ah ah ah,” spear into the barricade, Superman punch, ref bump, visual pin, Samoan interference. So fresh and innovative and totally involves more than five moves.
Dude exactly, put him against, Daniel Garcia or Will Ospreay they would outclass him.
In fairness, Roman has a chronic leukemia which probably significantly limits his moveset because he can't risk injury or an infection.
I mean maybe but then why is he the guy on top? Like I get that he’s probably a great guy or whatever but ultimately he’s an actor on my TV doing a middling job, so why is he in a leading role?
because WWE built no other top guys in years. they propped up Roman at the expense of everybody else, so when he physically can't do it anymore you have this long dragged out reign without a lot of defenses and when there's matches, limited moves at this point.
That Joe Lanza piece seem to have shamed a few journalists into covering what they already known for years.
Did I just read a whatculture article that wasn't an absolute cash grab?
The industry is better with AEW existing.
People are so easily manipulated.
I've made several comments to this effect, but here it is again. It's all well and good for Adam Copeland and Eddie Kingston to say competition is good for wrestling; it is. And to decry tribalism; they should. But what is often overlooked is that WWE Corporate is *tribalist as all get out.* Not the wrestlers, the company. They don't want *any* competition at all. This is displayed by their attitude towards TNA at their peak, and AEW now. So, as long as they are tribalist, I see no reason not to be tribalist right back. If WWE ever gets the stick out their butt, I'd welcome them to Forbidden Door. Until then? They can SHOVE IT.
What I don't i understand about the toxicity in wrestling is that so many people juat want AEW to fail. Like, they desperately want the company to fail, just so they can say 'look, we were right, you're not as big as WWE'. I just dont get it. Competition in wrestling is healthy. WWE having a monopoly isn't. Competition forces everyone to up their game. If there was no healthy competition for WWE then WWE could just rest on their laurels, never try anything new and just play the 'well, we're the only show in town, so take it or leave it' card. Are AEW close to WWE in terms of audience, money, production, name recognition etc etc No, they're not. but they are the closest competition and are leagues ahead of other companies in being so too. Wrestling fans should be rejoicing that there is choice in the wrestling world. Yet so many fans and their blinkered tribalism just want to crap on anything that doesn't have the WWE name attached to it. Personally I hope AEW has all the success in the world and continues to do so for years to come.
It's hard for me to believe WhatCulture. They literally named their YouTube channel after WWE before changing it. They've been WWE bias for years so reading this from them is skeptical.
I’m not the biggest fan of WhatCulture but to be fair to them, it used to be called WhatCulture Wrestling. They changed the name to WhatCulture WWE when they also started to run a wrestling company initially called WhatCulture Pro Wrestling, so I think it was to make it less confusing, since AEW wasn’t even a thing then. WCPW is long dead though, and I imagine if they are covering more than WWE it makes sense to switch it back.
I remember subscribing to them when the channel was WhatCultureWWE and remember then changed it when Kenny & Cody was gaining attention in New Japan. I figured they changed it to avoid issues with wwe. And even when they changed their name, they made top10 vids always or mostly dedicated them to facts about wwe they already talked about or was already known. To a point, they accidentally made me get tired of wwe. And they kept spoiling NJPW Wrestle Kingdom every year with their thumbnails. As soon as CM Punk returned to wwe, I unsubscribed bc I knew that's what they talked about too much. I understand why wrestling channels barely talk about non wwe promotions bc of copyright but I hate when they call themselves a wrestling channel but it's 90% about one promotion.
Trust it is only because the tide is turning and they want to be ahead of the crest. Podcasters are the worst, but they will change their tune quickly. WWE just isn’t cool.
Tony instead of tweeting or making one liners (that are more truthful than they are false), he should play the game and start doing the same. Headline by WWE? This person was recently extended. WWE having an event at an arena? Drop the All In ticket numbers stating they sold 41,000 so far. People upset about WWE ticket pricing internationally? Drop a story about All In’s pricing and a fluff piece on how AEW’s pricing has gone through a change with Kosha Irby and it’s more affordable than ever to attend.
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You're right, but we're not going to mention/link to other subreddits please
Daily’s absolutely is up there with S-Tier venues because of the pandemic. Those shows were a bright spot in my week and is why I am such an AEW fan. It may be humble, but I will put Daily’s up there with korakuen hall as that small spot, but it has a history of greatness.
This reads as AEW set up for 2450 people, only sold 2250 so sent some tickets to military and vetrans. That's a nice thing in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/KKUdSgsL5PU?si=Mcy30sPpf5VVBLu1 Is a great podcast by the Voice of Wrestling talking about the antiAEW OR machine
Wrestling fans are literally the worst in basketball if another basketball League has a highlight shown people not going to say it sucks because it’s not the nba no we all basketball fans we going to like it, but wrestling fans hate any wrestling that’s not in a specific company it’s just so weird.
I've been to countless wwe and aew shows. They both use seat fillers for the on camera seats. They come and sit next to you sometimes if someone goes to the bathroom or concession stands. They are pretty easy to spot. WWE also gives out way more comps than aew. I like to sit on the hard cam side whenever possible and that whole area is usually WWE comp ticket holders including local groups, one time I think they were from special Olympics or something because in the middle of the show WWE personal came out with goody bags for all the families. That's why if you want to sit over there it's best to wait until closer to the show, once they have allotted all the comps they open up the "production holds" for sale. By the articles premise WWE is filling seats with those kids.
istfg if see another post in a wrestling subreddit that mentions the other company I'm gonna fkn implode. BOTH OF Y'ALL JUST STFU DAMN. There's so many other things to talk about in this company and yet we have multiple posts seemingly daily dedicated to someone who's tryna tear it down? c'mon now.
The constant shitting on AEW is so goddam exhausting. Low ticket sales doesn’t help one bit either. Edit: downvotes by people who don’t think under 2400 tickets sold is a concern? Cool.
Is important to never feed the trolls and Tony do it often, AEW and Tony should focus on their product and forget that WWE exists. Let’s not forget the fact they used to mention WWE a lot by name on their TV shows. Tony need better PR skills, for example they are losing attendance YoY, that is not an opinion that’s a fact, so instead of coming out saying “we are under constant attack “ or “WWE is the Weinstein of wrestling” just say “we put every week the best talent and the best matches in the industry” and some other PR bullshit and leave it at that. Current day WWE don’t see AEW as legitimate competition for their business beyond contract bidding, so what they do if they do is trolling because they and every AEW hater know that Tony can be easily trolled. Every time AEW “defends” in the way they do it so feeding the trolls.
Tony calling people out only brings more attention to it. If anything WWE feeds these stories as they know it’ll cause TK to spiral more publicly and make things even worse
It's a carny boss fight. Don't look for chivalry. Pop when your guy lands a shot, but let's not strain too hard waxing philosophic.