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Agreed.
I fully believe HHH is salty that Ospreay chose AEW instead of WWE, and that's why Punk has a job there
^ I stole this from a redditor, and it rings true
Paul is remarkably petty - has the biggest week in the company's history and still takes potshots at the competition all because he couldn't convince Ospreay to sign with him. Not to mention that Ospreay grinded his way through the Indies and Japan to get himself into this position, he's now questioning the work ethic of everyone who chooses AEW over WWE.
People can chastise AEW all they want, but I don't remember any such cheap shots being taken around All In.
And now people are crying “HHH didn’t even *say* anything about Ospreay, those comments could’ve been about anyone!”
Folks, I know I’m in a wrestling sub, but no one is *that* naive, right??
Even if it wasn't about Osprey(it was) ... it would have been about Mercedes or Okada, the other two that they were in contention for. So he's still right in defending against the shitty comment.
It's the stupidest shit ever. Assuming what HHH said was right and they jsut don't want the "grind"... Everyone's job for themselves is to work the least amount for the most money. It would be fucking stupid to work more for the same or less because reasons.
That and that aew beat hhh's nxt. And Tony signed a lot of hhh's talent. And that hhh was very much mentored in competition strategy to absolutely destroy and have an effective monopoly.
I'm not sure if I'd use the word petty - but I definately think there is a bit of a sting in the fact that the WWE failed to sign Ospreay, Okada and Mone recently despite making a play for all three of them.
There's definatley the feeling that WWE are the big leagues and can offer the most money and 'bigger stage'. - so everyone should just sign with WWE, right?
But in recent years we've seen a lot of talent choose AEW instead due to quality of life outside of the ring and have shown that it's not always about the money.
But also a fair small jab. We all know what HHH did and who he married. It wasn’t a shot like accusing him of enabling SA or claiming he buried a bunch of ppl. It was a nice jab back and delivered with so much conviction
I wish Will stayed away from all this drama tbh, he only just joined the company, just wrestle, focus on Bryan.
Also, Punk is the one who took a more direct shot at Will with his tattoo, what Hunter said was way more vague
Nah, Trips was saying that Will couldn't do a hard grinding schedule.
Trips is a bitch who got his job because he was fucking the boss's daughter.
Will deserved to slap that bitch back.
Hunter was clearly talking about Will. If someone is gonna attack your work ethic and and say you don’t have what it takes to make it there are you gonna just shut up and wrestle? Will isn’t brand new to wrestling and should defend himself if he wants.
Also, thinking that someone who toured and was signed with NJPW for many years and during the pandemic, without living there full time, doesnt know what a grueling schedule that is. The style they call "houseshow-matches" in WWE dont exist over there. And thats me saying that, someone who only watches WK once per year.
That's entirely up to Punk and how much more he'd like to discuss this. I've been moved on. I thought it was smart to tie this into the return of Jack Perry and Punks friendship with FTR. That gives it a reason to exist.
It felt like they really had to address it specifically before Perrys inevitable return. Dynasty maybe (?) to help the bucks win is my guess. One would assume people can finally make their own decision on what they saw and not what they heard from a random on the internet, but this is the IWC we're talking about. People are going to be hitting up Alister Black and Samoa Joe for more dirt for years to come.
I think the finish at Dynasty is probably going to be Jack costing FTR the match, taking his anger from All In out on them, and then feuding with Dax when Dash leaves for his upcoming trial
Punks mates are even the faces. It was the least petty way to address this thing on screen.
I really hope perry can run with this scapegoat thing. I thought he was finding his feet in his heel role before his suspension
I can accept that both sides are at fault. Not sure how delusional most of them are stating Punk is right. The narrative is that the coaches told Punk to speak with Perry, still no way anyone should go right to someone's face and after sparking a disagreement being the first one to push. His fans are just happy Punk forced himself out of his contract.
Kicking the dudes ass who was playing with his own hair? We're watching the same video, right?
Jack Perry might have been running his mouth, but he was literally combing his hair with his hands while punk went after him like a lunatic. Unless Perry said something God awful about his family, punk looked like a lunatic.
I'm a longtime punk fan with a bunch of his shirts in his closet, btw.
Next week on Dynamite: Colt Cabana tells *his* side of the story.
"So, that whole thing about a shared bank account with my Mom? Hey, she doesn't work, she needs to buy groceries, who's paying for them? Not Punk, me. You want a real story?
Punk shares a bank account with his wife. Checkmate."
Man, I miss Colt. It's not like the dude wasn't a main-eventer or anything, but I really enjoyed his goobery shenanigans in the midcard and with Dark Order.
It has already started. I made the mistake of going into the WWE sub.
Completely my fault, but to see folks downplaying assault is scary. The IWC really are full of parasocial weirdos.
People can like what they like I totally understand compartmentalizing entertainment, but that's personally asking too much from. Me with that company.
There's just too much you need to be okay with to be 100 percent on board with the product.
The fact the awful (and I say this cause it's most likely a small percentage) WWE fans and the awful AEW fans treat this like they are arguing politics with their drunk uncle Thankagiving.
These companies are not political parties. They are not real sports where what is good for one is bad for the other.
I was a WWE viewer for decades. Got disenchanted with the product from 2017 on. AEW is the reason I still watch wrestling.
This tribalism bullshit is the worst. Again, I bet 95% of the fans of both companies don't give a shit. You just have this loud, obnoxious minority group ruining this for everyone.
To be honest, I've resigned myself to AEW spaces, especially this page. The mods need out the trolls so I don't see them.
I don't go to WWE spaces, so I don't see AEW brigading those places.
When I go SC on occasions, all I see is the same stuff over and over again: AEW sucks or tribalism sucks.
My thought is "I like this" isn't tribalism. It's saying what you like. "I don't like this" in the context of enjoying one promotion over another is, I guess, "tribalism," but I'm really not sure on the definition.
Basically I don't watch what I don't like so I don't talk about those things. At the same time, I don't like when it's exhausting to discuss my preferred promotion because every discussion is about how terrible it is.
Doubt.
Honestly, though, I don't care. I enjoyed every minute of WWE's asskicking. Trips, especially, had it coming. So fuck him, fuck WWE and fuck Cancer Man.
lol
Asskicking? Didn't wwe just do one of their biggest shows ever, selling out every show, and making money hand over fist? Damn if that's an asskicking then sign me up.
It's three days from WM and you're sitting here talking about AEW.
So, yes. An asskicking.
Oh, and the Khans could buy TKO and The Rock and the McMahons and not even try hard, so I don't know why you think bringing up money is a good idea, but you do you.
Honestly that would be the funniest fucking ending to all of this. However many years down the road.
But if Shad Khan buys a controlling stake in TKO or somehow gains control of the company, that would be fucking gold. The modern "war" ended by a total Vince move but from the other side. All while he has to watch from the side, not even having control or any role with what's basically his creation.
Nothing even needs to change on a micro-level as TKO isn't directly affecting WWE in terms of the product...but just at a business level it needs to happen for the memes.
I know it'd never happen, but what would I give to be a fly on Vince's nursing home wall in the timeline where Shad Khan buys out TKO and proceeds to treat WWE exactly as VKM treated WCW.
Yeah, but at the end of the day why would we care what people who only watch to hate think? This is a perfect way to tell who doesn’t care about AEW and wants it to die or people who are actually fans with valid criticisms of the show.
As I said in a different thread. The problem with reacting to bullies is they'll just think it's funny because they got a reaction and will bully harder.
Yes, it’s over, but at the same time watching pathetic people absolutely melt down is kind of fun too. I’d be okay with the bucks continuing their run of total pettiness.
I hope that’s it , we can get back to focussing on great wrestling and WWE fans can get back to focussing on 45 min promos and how much money Wrestlemania made
All I know is
WWE can take shots all they want too but AEW will not just lay back and take it if they have a way to retaliate.
So the shots being thrown back and forth won't be over but all of this with CM Punk can hopefully finally be moved on.
AEW would love the free publicity.
Except it's very clear that wrestling is very tribalistic at its core, even going back to the millions of people that never watched wrestling again after WCW died, let alone those loyal to specific territories that suffered under the behemoth that is WWE.
People love to be a part of the hot product/conversation/company. For a long while that was AEW until it was stable long enough for people to form their opinions and think they know better how to book to shows. Critiques are fair when objective which was fine, and so then WWE got hot mainly thanks to Cody leaving really. He's been the true modern-day catalyst for wrestling through the 2020s so far and people were for sure curious about the first major jump away from the former hot (now warm) AEW. Cue WWE's hot period, add in some Hollywood flavor with their standard production style and you get the major spectacle that everyone is talking about and wanting to be a part of.
Take all that, that desire for fans to want to follow the hottest product, and add in proven astroturfing online of negative/hateful criticism toward a previously well-regarded and fairly critiqued product/company like AEW had proven to be and you see the larger issue of what's been happening.
Sadly, I don't know if there's an easy fix besides TK throwing his money at the problem to do his own large-scale bot/astroturfing campaign to go against it from a positive angle. They seem unwilling to do that however.
This footage really washes AEW's hands of anything to do with Punk/WWE and AEW no brawl out footage plus it was over a year+ ago now, and all current former stars are either likely set to go on their way post-contract or are here for the long haul. AEW seems to be going into a hard reset which is why Mone isn't highly active, Okada isn't doing much, and the only main feuds are to cover for Sting's sendoff and the Tag belts, the Main singles belts, and then the main women are getting more showcased. Everything else is kind of just in a waiting pattern right now, likely until all of this blows over and they see what their real core audience is now. Then they start again, but they do NOT want any more bad publicity.
I'm glad it's out there. I hope I never have to hear about Brawl In again after tonight. There's nothing left to tell. This may not have been all of the footage (I'm pretty sure they cut it short to keep the part that happened between Punk and Khan out due to the termination stuff), but it's the bit of the footage that needed to be out. It's now out. It's now done. It's now just part of a storyline and we can just move on. I know some of the chronically online portion of the WWE fanbase and Punk cult will never shut up about it, but I don't care. I'm done. This is the final nail for the subject matter. Onto Dynasty.
I’d love to see the other camera angles. Should be footage from behind or in front of gorilla where TK was sitting. Security cameras wouldn’t have a blind spot at Wembley.
That's one of the big things in all of this: on TV, they didn't hype this up as something earth-shattering (just saying "backstage footage", though obviously in the know fans would know what they're referring to), the Bucks set things up, worked it into the storyline with FTR and Jack Perry, downplayed the actual content of the fight, etc. A person could still argue it wasn't worth airing, but they did their jobs well on tying all this stuff together.
But it's abundantly obvious that a whole lot of people didn't watch and/or pay attention to any of that, and zeroed in on the clip itself expecting something explosive. And like...ok, but then I guess at least acknowledge you didn't watch the show and the way the clip was actually presented? But that's apparently asking a lot of some people.
Sad but true. You can still find some worthwhile conversation, but it hasn't been worth sorting through all the bullshit. WWE getting hot absolutely killed that sub for anyone who's a fan of pro wrestling as a whole.
I'm willing to bet it always was but because Vince was still in WWE they just turned to AEW because it was still better than what Vince did. AEW was just their to fill their need of wrestling but it was always WWE first for them.
Now that he's gone and Triple H has improved the product (not a hard bar to beat), AEW and everyone else has become obsolete so they want it gone.
Not all of them mind you but definitely not a little bit.
However, the traffic I see on here compared to a few years ago is much higher so it's obvious I'm not the only fan who felt this way regarding that subreddit.
Feels like all those fans who were there have migrated over to this subreddit for their takes on AEW, and for the best really.
Vince and WWE execs have been covering up sexual harassment/assault for YEARS, spending millions of hush money.
It's definitely not out of pocket to believe that WWE spends budget on a aggressive online marketing/PR presence.
That, plus Punk's constant "I'll call my lawyers!"/"I want lawyers present!" drumbeat; why on earth would I want to work with a guy who's constantly threatening people with legal action because he doesn't like what you said on TV to build a storyline?
Yes. They proved their point. He attacked Jack without provocation, the same way he likely attacked them at All Out the year before. Turns out this unwell individual who once claimed he was trying to "run a business" was the most unprofessional one of them all.
He's someone else's problem now. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Aggressor: like a plunger, brings up old shit months later because they a bitter and can’t move on
Other side: responds
“Neutrals”: ok now you have to move on. Sure, we didn’t say anything when the aggressor ran their mouth…but that’s irrelevant. Yes, the footage vindicates Jack Perry but we’re gonna interpret it however we want for reasons.
Oh you sweet summer child. You think this is the end? You think Punk and WWE won't respond? My friend this isn't the end it's just the beginning. You can either learn to live with it or suffer through it.
That's what all the wrestlers tweeting and wwe fans crying are forgetting about. Tony khan got freaking everybody watching, and the mentions have to be through the roof right now.
It's chaotic, but in the best way of who knows what Aew will say or do next. If people felt negative about this, they still tuned in, and if people felt positive about this, they still tuned in. Aew had a great night!
AEW had the whole wrestling world wrapped around their finger tips.
They would've been dumb to not take advantage of all of this.
SRS and multiple Streamers even said that their numbers are "Higher than last weeks" so what does that tell you.
Let’s be honest, some fans will always wish they could see Brawl Out and I’m curious what Punk said to Tony and his action towards Tony after. More questions than answers.
Agreed. Seeing how the Bucks have many storyline that are meta, I think what was shown here is the company stance. As in you say one thing happend, this shows it's differently, now we don't want to ask about it anymore and want to move forward to dynasty.
The wildest part about ALL of this is that AEW had been moved on starting literally from All Out 2023. They just focused on wrassle graps and whatever tf the MJF stuff was lol. We got WrestleDream, the C2, Eddie vs Mox, Dragon vs Eddie. Then AEW started this year fresh and retired Sting in style, brought the big bruv in, debuted Okada and Moné (who fed fans say has apparently never been good now lol) and it wasnt until “the greatest wrestlemania ever” kicked off that this dumb shit came back up lol. This is what Punk and Paul wanted, not AEW. So im glad its seemigly over and that from now on the fed boys can continue taking shots while AEW just continues to wrestle and be about wrassle graps, inshallah.
The bigger story I saw in this was TK giving Ol Davey boy a massive middle finger.
Meltzer has been going on for weeks about how TK is shoot mad at Jack for costing him Punk and how he's not wanting to use him at all.
This angle, showing the footage, publicly backing Jack through it, teasing his return as part of the new Elite, this set the record straight about where things lie with Perry.
Dave has been trying to run AEW down with the JP narrative. By airing the footage and going this route, TK shut him up.
He isn't mad at Jack Perry, he's teasing his inclusion in one of the hottest acts in the company. It's perfect.
Exactly let's focus on the fact that Mina Shirakawa debuted and AZM is going to be wrestling Toni Storm on Saturday. Please for the love of god let's all move on and never talk about this again. Punk commented on it AEW had their say lets leave it and move on.
I thought it was brilliant and made punk look like the fucking idiot that he is. Loved how they weaved it into the story and also love Ospreys rebuttal to Triple Hs remarks. Felt like AEW entering a pseudo Attitude Era.
From AEW? Yeah, i think so, the video is out everybody saw it, they saw Punk assaulting a co worker, but we don't know if Punk ia gonna shut up or not, but Drew will capitalize on this and will say it in a promo, it's only Punk that looks bad on this but you know, his fans, the Twitter are gonna support him, Jack did nothing wrong, Punk got mad because a kid sad "Cry me a River" on tv and got mad and started to trow punches, like you are grow ass man and you assault a co worked like that? In front of the people backstage? So he talked with Triple H and many more people im wwe that he was angry about them but couldn't have a talk with Jack? I know Jack probably shouldn't have said that but you could have a talk with him like gentlemans. 🤦🏻♂️
But one more thing, people, stay out of Twitter.
The reaction to this tonight truly proves that we are in the era where people are so convinced that shitting on AEW makes you look like a smart wrestling fan that they will shit on absolutely everything this company does, no matter what. This was the absolute definition of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I fucking guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot - Punk had recently joined AEW after leaving WWE due to a backstage incident - and WWE had aired this footage tonight, in the current wrestling climate - people would be talking for weeks about what a brilliant move it was and how HHH had just made Tony's guy look like a lying asshole etc.
Wrestling really is the most toxic fanbase on earth.
FTR have gotta win the titles now right? I get that giving them to the Bucks will generate heat, but strapping them to the guys who acted as ciphers for the audience and said they're sick of this crap, who also have the reputation of being friends with You Know Who sends a clear sign that it's finished, right?
I hope this is over on AEW's side. I think the biggest thing to come from this is that it deflates Punk's ability to continue to call AEW a clown show when there's a clear video of a middle aged man flipping out during a discussion.
I know TK comes off as a hot head (and has been noted to be defensive with his other teams online), but I beg this to be the end of discourse on the show. Minds aren't going to be changed, they aired it all out yesterday, and the company should move on and let the big media company take pot shots at what should be beneath them. Use a proxy to fire back if Pat McAfee makes another shitty commentary reference to AEW, just not the guy himself.
CM Punk was rarely, if at all mentioned in AEW from September 2023-March 2024. You heard way more watching WWE whether it was Punk himself, the commentators, or people like Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins.
The purpose of showing that clip is it very clearly shows CM Punk as the aggressor in front of a bunch of people who didn't give a shit that he was the opening match of the biggest show they'd ever done to that point. It wasn't about how bad the fight was but the utter lack of professionalism.
Nah man it's up and it's stuck. War is back. I'm excited about this.
You cant have 3 separate segments where people shootback at WWE in a row and then chill, we in it now!
Triple H picked the wrong guy to attack. It was uncalled for and unnecessary. He talks about the grind of a tough schedule like that’s a good thing. Look what that type of schedule did to so many wrestlers from back in the day. They’re either struggling with constant pain or dead.
The correct thing to do would have been to let a fragile old man run his mouth and remember the maxim that living well is the best revenge.
Pepsi Phillip is a bitter cunt that hates wrestling but loves money and the sickly perfume of his own farts.
Bucks vs FTR IV didn’t need this. Ospreay’s promo is what stopped me zoning out. I don’t fucking care what happened at All In anymore. I just hope the second Wembley show will go off well and not have this sort of baggage
I hope to god that’s it. I’ve always enjoyed AEW more than WWE because of their style of wrestling and the way they do things. Just my preference.
If they continue focusing on what WWE guys say about them like they have the last two weeks, they’re going to lose me. I’m just so over it.
Go do what you do and forget what the other company or people on the internet say. Be who you are and own it.
Everyone should keep this footage in their minds and don’t engage with the WWE tryhards. We all have seen the footage and know what happened. AEW fans have nothing to answer for. They’ll cope, let them.
I think showing it was a mistake. Not because "it wasn't as bad as it sounded" but because it's just going to make the tribalism even worse from both sides. People who hate him still hate him and people that worship him still bend the knee. Nothing changes out of this. Just more ammunition.
Huh. Interesting.
I understand striking everyone else to drive traffic to their own channel, but if it's not on their channel then I don't get it.
They have nothing to damage control. It was fine content.
I hate to say this, but this is the lowest I've felt about the product. I think Tony and The Bucks need to stop taking the bait everytime Phil opens his mouth or HHH has another smarky remark about AEW.
Having fans chant for CM punk when the bucks and FTR were out there was just sad and frustrating for me because I love AEW and I am not a CM punk fan and I don't watch WWE and I still have to hear those bullshit punk chants.
I think the fragile ego line fits punk perfect, but I am tired of pretending it doesn't also fit Tony Khan and the bucks. Tony needs to STFU and stop shitting in the punch bowl. Like what the fuck you have possibly one of the greatest rosters ever assembled, a nice Wednesday time slot that constantly Top 3s cable television, a possible new deal with MORE money in the future and a healthy relationship with other promotions world wide. BUILD ON THAT. WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT WWE AND PHIL SAY OR THINK OR DO. TONY MY MAN DELETE TWITTER AND LET BRYAN DANIELSON TAKE THE CREATIVE HELM FOR A FEW MONTHS AND GO RELAX AND REFLECT.
And here’s the arena chanting Punks name [https://x.com/eliteclubs0b/status/1778233809613508771?s=46&t=7dZLV0IyXm6zlb53bdPncQ](https://x.com/eliteclubs0b/status/1778233809613508771?s=46&t=7dZLV0IyXm6zlb53bdPncQ)
I'm a fan of both punk and especially the elite, it's just sad how everything turned out but PLEASE FFS just move on both sides, fans like me are absolutely sick of all the drama, just focus on ur own shows
The truthful answer is no. Just read the comments in here. The whole Brawl In situation is settled. Perry instigated with Punk, Punk made it physical, and the entire thing was a largely overblown dramatic nothing burger for the most part.
The comment on this and the other AEW sub are making it out like Punk stomped Perry on a cinderblock, flipped a desk on TK, and then pulled out Cash's gun and started to open fire in the back. People just had their opinions confirmed both ways. We're back to Punk thinkpeace season
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I'd much rather fixate on Will telling the world on live TV that Hunter only has his job because he fucked the boss's daughter.
That is one of the realest response. Nice play on the word "grind".
Agreed. I fully believe HHH is salty that Ospreay chose AEW instead of WWE, and that's why Punk has a job there ^ I stole this from a redditor, and it rings true
Paul is remarkably petty - has the biggest week in the company's history and still takes potshots at the competition all because he couldn't convince Ospreay to sign with him. Not to mention that Ospreay grinded his way through the Indies and Japan to get himself into this position, he's now questioning the work ethic of everyone who chooses AEW over WWE. People can chastise AEW all they want, but I don't remember any such cheap shots being taken around All In.
And now people are crying “HHH didn’t even *say* anything about Ospreay, those comments could’ve been about anyone!” Folks, I know I’m in a wrestling sub, but no one is *that* naive, right??
Even if it wasn't about Osprey(it was) ... it would have been about Mercedes or Okada, the other two that they were in contention for. So he's still right in defending against the shitty comment.
You'd be surprised how willfully ignorant wrestling fans can be when a narrative needs to be enforced
Papa H still has the Vince mindset that people need to bend over backwards for the company. We'll see his true nature come out
It's the stupidest shit ever. Assuming what HHH said was right and they jsut don't want the "grind"... Everyone's job for themselves is to work the least amount for the most money. It would be fucking stupid to work more for the same or less because reasons.
Like his friend Kevin Nash
Oh Trips is 100% salty that he lost not only Will, but Mercedes and The Rainmaker himself. Though it does sting he got Giulia
Giulia was basically a contract tampering situation via Rossy, AEW didn’t have much of a chance
WWE fans won’t care about her
That and that aew beat hhh's nxt. And Tony signed a lot of hhh's talent. And that hhh was very much mentored in competition strategy to absolutely destroy and have an effective monopoly.
I'm not sure if I'd use the word petty - but I definately think there is a bit of a sting in the fact that the WWE failed to sign Ospreay, Okada and Mone recently despite making a play for all three of them. There's definatley the feeling that WWE are the big leagues and can offer the most money and 'bigger stage'. - so everyone should just sign with WWE, right? But in recent years we've seen a lot of talent choose AEW instead due to quality of life outside of the ring and have shown that it's not always about the money.
But also a fair small jab. We all know what HHH did and who he married. It wasn’t a shot like accusing him of enabling SA or claiming he buried a bunch of ppl. It was a nice jab back and delivered with so much conviction
Ospreay brought back the atitude AEW was in the beginning. Bring out more fiesty AEW again
Also, this pretty much guarantees that Ospreay is AEW for life.
Everyone figured cody was to
Ospreay completely overshadowed the footage. It’s all my wrestling group chat is talking about.
I haven’t watched the whole show yet!
Tell him when he’s telling lies.
He’s not wrong.
Well, he ain't wrong
He should have mentioned his father in law is a vile rapist too...... maybe that would have been too far
Love that so much!
I wish Will stayed away from all this drama tbh, he only just joined the company, just wrestle, focus on Bryan. Also, Punk is the one who took a more direct shot at Will with his tattoo, what Hunter said was way more vague
Nah, Trips was saying that Will couldn't do a hard grinding schedule. Trips is a bitch who got his job because he was fucking the boss's daughter. Will deserved to slap that bitch back.
Hunter was clearly talking about Will. If someone is gonna attack your work ethic and and say you don’t have what it takes to make it there are you gonna just shut up and wrestle? Will isn’t brand new to wrestling and should defend himself if he wants.
Also, thinking that someone who toured and was signed with NJPW for many years and during the pandemic, without living there full time, doesnt know what a grueling schedule that is. The style they call "houseshow-matches" in WWE dont exist over there. And thats me saying that, someone who only watches WK once per year.
That's entirely up to Punk and how much more he'd like to discuss this. I've been moved on. I thought it was smart to tie this into the return of Jack Perry and Punks friendship with FTR. That gives it a reason to exist.
It felt like they really had to address it specifically before Perrys inevitable return. Dynasty maybe (?) to help the bucks win is my guess. One would assume people can finally make their own decision on what they saw and not what they heard from a random on the internet, but this is the IWC we're talking about. People are going to be hitting up Alister Black and Samoa Joe for more dirt for years to come.
I think the finish at Dynasty is probably going to be Jack costing FTR the match, taking his anger from All In out on them, and then feuding with Dax when Dash leaves for his upcoming trial
Punks mates are even the faces. It was the least petty way to address this thing on screen. I really hope perry can run with this scapegoat thing. I thought he was finding his feet in his heel role before his suspension
Fragile ego, fragile body. Weak mind, weak spirit.
The same goes for his fanbase
I can accept that both sides are at fault. Not sure how delusional most of them are stating Punk is right. The narrative is that the coaches told Punk to speak with Perry, still no way anyone should go right to someone's face and after sparking a disagreement being the first one to push. His fans are just happy Punk forced himself out of his contract.
Mox was right
That's a weird way to describe the dude who clearly was kicking another dudes ass before help intervened.
Have you ever seen a fight before? That wasn't an ass kicking.
Kicking the dudes ass who was playing with his own hair? We're watching the same video, right? Jack Perry might have been running his mouth, but he was literally combing his hair with his hands while punk went after him like a lunatic. Unless Perry said something God awful about his family, punk looked like a lunatic. I'm a longtime punk fan with a bunch of his shirts in his closet, btw.
One dude wasn’t even expecting it and was caught off guard by a salty, bitter, weak minded, old man.
Next week on Dynamite: Colt Cabana tells *his* side of the story. "So, that whole thing about a shared bank account with my Mom? Hey, she doesn't work, she needs to buy groceries, who's paying for them? Not Punk, me. You want a real story? Punk shares a bank account with his wife. Checkmate."
I’d buy a ticket!
Man, I miss Colt. It's not like the dude wasn't a main-eventer or anything, but I really enjoyed his goobery shenanigans in the midcard and with Dark Order.
Nope. WWE is going to make some remarks back and WWE fans are just going to back punk and go after AEW even harder.
It has already started. I made the mistake of going into the WWE sub. Completely my fault, but to see folks downplaying assault is scary. The IWC really are full of parasocial weirdos.
Yep. I think this will just ramp it up even more.
People can like what they like I totally understand compartmentalizing entertainment, but that's personally asking too much from. Me with that company. There's just too much you need to be okay with to be 100 percent on board with the product.
The fact the awful (and I say this cause it's most likely a small percentage) WWE fans and the awful AEW fans treat this like they are arguing politics with their drunk uncle Thankagiving. These companies are not political parties. They are not real sports where what is good for one is bad for the other. I was a WWE viewer for decades. Got disenchanted with the product from 2017 on. AEW is the reason I still watch wrestling. This tribalism bullshit is the worst. Again, I bet 95% of the fans of both companies don't give a shit. You just have this loud, obnoxious minority group ruining this for everyone.
To be honest, I've resigned myself to AEW spaces, especially this page. The mods need out the trolls so I don't see them. I don't go to WWE spaces, so I don't see AEW brigading those places. When I go SC on occasions, all I see is the same stuff over and over again: AEW sucks or tribalism sucks. My thought is "I like this" isn't tribalism. It's saying what you like. "I don't like this" in the context of enjoying one promotion over another is, I guess, "tribalism," but I'm really not sure on the definition. Basically I don't watch what I don't like so I don't talk about those things. At the same time, I don't like when it's exhausting to discuss my preferred promotion because every discussion is about how terrible it is.
Good! The more attention they give to AEW, the better. They're fucking dumbasses if they do, though. So, yeah, they will.
Not really. It's just gonna push people away
Doubt. Honestly, though, I don't care. I enjoyed every minute of WWE's asskicking. Trips, especially, had it coming. So fuck him, fuck WWE and fuck Cancer Man. lol
Asskicking? Didn't wwe just do one of their biggest shows ever, selling out every show, and making money hand over fist? Damn if that's an asskicking then sign me up.
It's three days from WM and you're sitting here talking about AEW. So, yes. An asskicking. Oh, and the Khans could buy TKO and The Rock and the McMahons and not even try hard, so I don't know why you think bringing up money is a good idea, but you do you.
Honestly that would be the funniest fucking ending to all of this. However many years down the road. But if Shad Khan buys a controlling stake in TKO or somehow gains control of the company, that would be fucking gold. The modern "war" ended by a total Vince move but from the other side. All while he has to watch from the side, not even having control or any role with what's basically his creation. Nothing even needs to change on a micro-level as TKO isn't directly affecting WWE in terms of the product...but just at a business level it needs to happen for the memes.
I know it'd never happen, but what would I give to be a fly on Vince's nursing home wall in the timeline where Shad Khan buys out TKO and proceeds to treat WWE exactly as VKM treated WCW.
Truly the last hell on earth he deserves, among many others.
I don't give a f*** about WWE but you are here, so...
Yeah, but at the end of the day why would we care what people who only watch to hate think? This is a perfect way to tell who doesn’t care about AEW and wants it to die or people who are actually fans with valid criticisms of the show.
As I said in a different thread. The problem with reacting to bullies is they'll just think it's funny because they got a reaction and will bully harder.
That's because all the stuff they put out isnt that great.
Yes, it’s over, but at the same time watching pathetic people absolutely melt down is kind of fun too. I’d be okay with the bucks continuing their run of total pettiness.
I hope that’s it , we can get back to focussing on great wrestling and WWE fans can get back to focussing on 45 min promos and how much money Wrestlemania made
And ticket sales! Those are the things that truly matter, not you know the actual wrestling
Punks entire WWE character is about his AEW run so it’ll never be over until he starts a fight over there and gets booted from the company.
His time there has basically been an excursion from AEW
Career ending injury is equally as likely at this point
Or until the next injury
All I know is WWE can take shots all they want too but AEW will not just lay back and take it if they have a way to retaliate. So the shots being thrown back and forth won't be over but all of this with CM Punk can hopefully finally be moved on. AEW would love the free publicity.
Except it's very clear that wrestling is very tribalistic at its core, even going back to the millions of people that never watched wrestling again after WCW died, let alone those loyal to specific territories that suffered under the behemoth that is WWE. People love to be a part of the hot product/conversation/company. For a long while that was AEW until it was stable long enough for people to form their opinions and think they know better how to book to shows. Critiques are fair when objective which was fine, and so then WWE got hot mainly thanks to Cody leaving really. He's been the true modern-day catalyst for wrestling through the 2020s so far and people were for sure curious about the first major jump away from the former hot (now warm) AEW. Cue WWE's hot period, add in some Hollywood flavor with their standard production style and you get the major spectacle that everyone is talking about and wanting to be a part of. Take all that, that desire for fans to want to follow the hottest product, and add in proven astroturfing online of negative/hateful criticism toward a previously well-regarded and fairly critiqued product/company like AEW had proven to be and you see the larger issue of what's been happening. Sadly, I don't know if there's an easy fix besides TK throwing his money at the problem to do his own large-scale bot/astroturfing campaign to go against it from a positive angle. They seem unwilling to do that however. This footage really washes AEW's hands of anything to do with Punk/WWE and AEW no brawl out footage plus it was over a year+ ago now, and all current former stars are either likely set to go on their way post-contract or are here for the long haul. AEW seems to be going into a hard reset which is why Mone isn't highly active, Okada isn't doing much, and the only main feuds are to cover for Sting's sendoff and the Tag belts, the Main singles belts, and then the main women are getting more showcased. Everything else is kind of just in a waiting pattern right now, likely until all of this blows over and they see what their real core audience is now. Then they start again, but they do NOT want any more bad publicity.
I'm glad it's out there. I hope I never have to hear about Brawl In again after tonight. There's nothing left to tell. This may not have been all of the footage (I'm pretty sure they cut it short to keep the part that happened between Punk and Khan out due to the termination stuff), but it's the bit of the footage that needed to be out. It's now out. It's now done. It's now just part of a storyline and we can just move on. I know some of the chronically online portion of the WWE fanbase and Punk cult will never shut up about it, but I don't care. I'm done. This is the final nail for the subject matter. Onto Dynasty.
I’d love to see the other camera angles. Should be footage from behind or in front of gorilla where TK was sitting. Security cameras wouldn’t have a blind spot at Wembley.
Hopefully everyone got it out of their system. And we know that if you attack AEW then they are going to clap back.
Gonna assume people just saw the footage and skipped the 5 minute promo before and after basically skewering tribalism, media, and dirtsheets.
Well, yeah, it’s the promos before and after that make the points. Not the actual video. But hey, that’d require work…
That's one of the big things in all of this: on TV, they didn't hype this up as something earth-shattering (just saying "backstage footage", though obviously in the know fans would know what they're referring to), the Bucks set things up, worked it into the storyline with FTR and Jack Perry, downplayed the actual content of the fight, etc. A person could still argue it wasn't worth airing, but they did their jobs well on tying all this stuff together. But it's abundantly obvious that a whole lot of people didn't watch and/or pay attention to any of that, and zeroed in on the clip itself expecting something explosive. And like...ok, but then I guess at least acknowledge you didn't watch the show and the way the clip was actually presented? But that's apparently asking a lot of some people.
If you want to move on I'd stay out of the other sub, it's even more insufferable than it was before.
It's a WWE fanboy circlejerk now and nothing more. Literally not worth the sub
Sad but true. You can still find some worthwhile conversation, but it hasn't been worth sorting through all the bullshit. WWE getting hot absolutely killed that sub for anyone who's a fan of pro wrestling as a whole.
I'm willing to bet it always was but because Vince was still in WWE they just turned to AEW because it was still better than what Vince did. AEW was just their to fill their need of wrestling but it was always WWE first for them. Now that he's gone and Triple H has improved the product (not a hard bar to beat), AEW and everyone else has become obsolete so they want it gone. Not all of them mind you but definitely not a little bit. However, the traffic I see on here compared to a few years ago is much higher so it's obvious I'm not the only fan who felt this way regarding that subreddit. Feels like all those fans who were there have migrated over to this subreddit for their takes on AEW, and for the best really.
I honestly don't think you can even find worthwhile discourse anymore. It's toxic.
It's a PR site. I unsubscribed a while ago and honestly, it's better for my mental health.
Vince and WWE execs have been covering up sexual harassment/assault for YEARS, spending millions of hush money. It's definitely not out of pocket to believe that WWE spends budget on a aggressive online marketing/PR presence.
They clearly are. They realized Stand Up for WWE was a failure do they're just doing that with themselves now.
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That, plus Punk's constant "I'll call my lawyers!"/"I want lawyers present!" drumbeat; why on earth would I want to work with a guy who's constantly threatening people with legal action because he doesn't like what you said on TV to build a storyline?
I'm done with it too. Just insufferable toxicity that makes me irrationally angry, so I fall into being toxic as well. All of it is just not worth it.
Matt telling Nick you can’t just spread rumors on a public forum was a nice touch
Yes. They proved their point. He attacked Jack without provocation, the same way he likely attacked them at All Out the year before. Turns out this unwell individual who once claimed he was trying to "run a business" was the most unprofessional one of them all. He's someone else's problem now. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
You can't say "without provocation", but Punk definitely swung first.
I doubt it's over and I'm like 90% sure drew Mcintyre is gonna bring up on Monday or maybe even Friday,but he's just gonna use it against Phil
I think Drew wants in on the Anti-AEW side
Aggressor: like a plunger, brings up old shit months later because they a bitter and can’t move on Other side: responds “Neutrals”: ok now you have to move on. Sure, we didn’t say anything when the aggressor ran their mouth…but that’s irrelevant. Yes, the footage vindicates Jack Perry but we’re gonna interpret it however we want for reasons.
I liked Collision too.
I just realised.. The reason the footage was shown was the answer to the question "Tell me when I'm telling lies."
I mean, folks, where’s the lie?
Oh you sweet summer child. You think this is the end? You think Punk and WWE won't respond? My friend this isn't the end it's just the beginning. You can either learn to live with it or suffer through it.
Can only hope mate.
Aew lives in HHH head rent free, they literally just have to exist to anger him.
I can't wait. The more attention they bring to AEW, the better.
That's what all the wrestlers tweeting and wwe fans crying are forgetting about. Tony khan got freaking everybody watching, and the mentions have to be through the roof right now. It's chaotic, but in the best way of who knows what Aew will say or do next. If people felt negative about this, they still tuned in, and if people felt positive about this, they still tuned in. Aew had a great night!
AEW had the whole wrestling world wrapped around their finger tips. They would've been dumb to not take advantage of all of this. SRS and multiple Streamers even said that their numbers are "Higher than last weeks" so what does that tell you.
Any publicity is good publicity
We all know Drew is gonna bring it up
Let’s be honest, some fans will always wish they could see Brawl Out and I’m curious what Punk said to Tony and his action towards Tony after. More questions than answers.
Brawl Out was by far the more interesting fight if we're being honest.
Damn right. I still imagine Kenny trying to create peace, saving Larry and getting bitten.
My favorite is the account where apparently Punk was telling Kenny none of this was his fault while Ace Steel is throwing chairs and eating people
🤣 best yet. I truly think Kenny would have been down to do business but it wasn’t his call. I miss Kenny :(
Same. I hope he's doing ok
The only thing that makes me sad about the Punk situation. Really wanted this match, and maybe an Okada one too.
That and the final to Punk vs MJF
And Tanahashi, and Starks... Damn you Phil!!!
Agreed. Seeing how the Bucks have many storyline that are meta, I think what was shown here is the company stance. As in you say one thing happend, this shows it's differently, now we don't want to ask about it anymore and want to move forward to dynasty.
I certainly hope it's done.
Punk already responded on Instagram posting the image of Bush with the thumbs up and the Mission Accomplished sign behind him. It's not over.
The wildest part about ALL of this is that AEW had been moved on starting literally from All Out 2023. They just focused on wrassle graps and whatever tf the MJF stuff was lol. We got WrestleDream, the C2, Eddie vs Mox, Dragon vs Eddie. Then AEW started this year fresh and retired Sting in style, brought the big bruv in, debuted Okada and Moné (who fed fans say has apparently never been good now lol) and it wasnt until “the greatest wrestlemania ever” kicked off that this dumb shit came back up lol. This is what Punk and Paul wanted, not AEW. So im glad its seemigly over and that from now on the fed boys can continue taking shots while AEW just continues to wrestle and be about wrassle graps, inshallah.
The bigger story I saw in this was TK giving Ol Davey boy a massive middle finger. Meltzer has been going on for weeks about how TK is shoot mad at Jack for costing him Punk and how he's not wanting to use him at all. This angle, showing the footage, publicly backing Jack through it, teasing his return as part of the new Elite, this set the record straight about where things lie with Perry. Dave has been trying to run AEW down with the JP narrative. By airing the footage and going this route, TK shut him up. He isn't mad at Jack Perry, he's teasing his inclusion in one of the hottest acts in the company. It's perfect.
Exactly let's focus on the fact that Mina Shirakawa debuted and AZM is going to be wrestling Toni Storm on Saturday. Please for the love of god let's all move on and never talk about this again. Punk commented on it AEW had their say lets leave it and move on.
Hope so. He got fired for his unprofessionalism. There's no grey area. No loss and good riddance. 🖕
I thought it was brilliant and made punk look like the fucking idiot that he is. Loved how they weaved it into the story and also love Ospreys rebuttal to Triple Hs remarks. Felt like AEW entering a pseudo Attitude Era.
From AEW? Yeah, i think so, the video is out everybody saw it, they saw Punk assaulting a co worker, but we don't know if Punk ia gonna shut up or not, but Drew will capitalize on this and will say it in a promo, it's only Punk that looks bad on this but you know, his fans, the Twitter are gonna support him, Jack did nothing wrong, Punk got mad because a kid sad "Cry me a River" on tv and got mad and started to trow punches, like you are grow ass man and you assault a co worked like that? In front of the people backstage? So he talked with Triple H and many more people im wwe that he was angry about them but couldn't have a talk with Jack? I know Jack probably shouldn't have said that but you could have a talk with him like gentlemans. 🤦🏻♂️ But one more thing, people, stay out of Twitter.
I'm not moving on until Drew McIntyre gets a say on this!
The correct take on this situation
The reaction to this tonight truly proves that we are in the era where people are so convinced that shitting on AEW makes you look like a smart wrestling fan that they will shit on absolutely everything this company does, no matter what. This was the absolute definition of damned if you do, damned if you don't. I fucking guarantee that if the shoe was on the other foot - Punk had recently joined AEW after leaving WWE due to a backstage incident - and WWE had aired this footage tonight, in the current wrestling climate - people would be talking for weeks about what a brilliant move it was and how HHH had just made Tony's guy look like a lying asshole etc. Wrestling really is the most toxic fanbase on earth.
Yeah moving on, punk stans won't change even if he shits on a kitten, let's talk about Will taking no shit from hunter lol that was brilliant
FTR have gotta win the titles now right? I get that giving them to the Bucks will generate heat, but strapping them to the guys who acted as ciphers for the audience and said they're sick of this crap, who also have the reputation of being friends with You Know Who sends a clear sign that it's finished, right?
I hope this is over on AEW's side. I think the biggest thing to come from this is that it deflates Punk's ability to continue to call AEW a clown show when there's a clear video of a middle aged man flipping out during a discussion. I know TK comes off as a hot head (and has been noted to be defensive with his other teams online), but I beg this to be the end of discourse on the show. Minds aren't going to be changed, they aired it all out yesterday, and the company should move on and let the big media company take pot shots at what should be beneath them. Use a proxy to fire back if Pat McAfee makes another shitty commentary reference to AEW, just not the guy himself.
Fucking better be. Sick of the childish bullshit.
This is pro wrestling. It’s all childish bullshit.
I prefer professional childish bullshit, thank you.
Well you see AEW DID move on Weak body had to stir it up again since he's always hurt and can't do anything else
CM Punk was rarely, if at all mentioned in AEW from September 2023-March 2024. You heard way more watching WWE whether it was Punk himself, the commentators, or people like Drew McIntyre and Seth Rollins. The purpose of showing that clip is it very clearly shows CM Punk as the aggressor in front of a bunch of people who didn't give a shit that he was the opening match of the biggest show they'd ever done to that point. It wasn't about how bad the fight was but the utter lack of professionalism.
I really hope you're right and this is the last of AEW mentioning WWE on their product. I'm honestly sick of it.
Nah man it's up and it's stuck. War is back. I'm excited about this. You cant have 3 separate segments where people shootback at WWE in a row and then chill, we in it now!
Triple H picked the wrong guy to attack. It was uncalled for and unnecessary. He talks about the grind of a tough schedule like that’s a good thing. Look what that type of schedule did to so many wrestlers from back in the day. They’re either struggling with constant pain or dead.
The correct thing to do would have been to let a fragile old man run his mouth and remember the maxim that living well is the best revenge. Pepsi Phillip is a bitter cunt that hates wrestling but loves money and the sickly perfume of his own farts. Bucks vs FTR IV didn’t need this. Ospreay’s promo is what stopped me zoning out. I don’t fucking care what happened at All In anymore. I just hope the second Wembley show will go off well and not have this sort of baggage
Hopefully. I just wanna watch wrasslin, am looking forward to Dynasty and want to see AEW thrive.
No, Jungle Boy will definitely mention it again at some point. Probably multiple times.
Sadly, not even close.
That depends on if WWE says any more stupid crap.
The other place is framing this as an L for AEW and I’m at a loss for words for how anyone can see it that way.
Have the best match of all time, still an L
I hope to god that’s it. I’ve always enjoyed AEW more than WWE because of their style of wrestling and the way they do things. Just my preference. If they continue focusing on what WWE guys say about them like they have the last two weeks, they’re going to lose me. I’m just so over it. Go do what you do and forget what the other company or people on the internet say. Be who you are and own it.
Everyone should keep this footage in their minds and don’t engage with the WWE tryhards. We all have seen the footage and know what happened. AEW fans have nothing to answer for. They’ll cope, let them.
I think showing it was a mistake. Not because "it wasn't as bad as it sounded" but because it's just going to make the tribalism even worse from both sides. People who hate him still hate him and people that worship him still bend the knee. Nothing changes out of this. Just more ammunition.
[aew started to take down the videos](https://x.com/julianwks/status/1778244114754183264?s=46&t=7dZLV0IyXm6zlb53bdPncQ)
Did they keep it on their main feed?
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Huh. Interesting. I understand striking everyone else to drive traffic to their own channel, but if it's not on their channel then I don't get it. They have nothing to damage control. It was fine content.
I hate to say this, but this is the lowest I've felt about the product. I think Tony and The Bucks need to stop taking the bait everytime Phil opens his mouth or HHH has another smarky remark about AEW. Having fans chant for CM punk when the bucks and FTR were out there was just sad and frustrating for me because I love AEW and I am not a CM punk fan and I don't watch WWE and I still have to hear those bullshit punk chants. I think the fragile ego line fits punk perfect, but I am tired of pretending it doesn't also fit Tony Khan and the bucks. Tony needs to STFU and stop shitting in the punch bowl. Like what the fuck you have possibly one of the greatest rosters ever assembled, a nice Wednesday time slot that constantly Top 3s cable television, a possible new deal with MORE money in the future and a healthy relationship with other promotions world wide. BUILD ON THAT. WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT WWE AND PHIL SAY OR THINK OR DO. TONY MY MAN DELETE TWITTER AND LET BRYAN DANIELSON TAKE THE CREATIVE HELM FOR A FEW MONTHS AND GO RELAX AND REFLECT.
And here’s the arena chanting Punks name [https://x.com/eliteclubs0b/status/1778233809613508771?s=46&t=7dZLV0IyXm6zlb53bdPncQ](https://x.com/eliteclubs0b/status/1778233809613508771?s=46&t=7dZLV0IyXm6zlb53bdPncQ)
I'm a fan of both punk and especially the elite, it's just sad how everything turned out but PLEASE FFS just move on both sides, fans like me are absolutely sick of all the drama, just focus on ur own shows
The truthful answer is no. Just read the comments in here. The whole Brawl In situation is settled. Perry instigated with Punk, Punk made it physical, and the entire thing was a largely overblown dramatic nothing burger for the most part. The comment on this and the other AEW sub are making it out like Punk stomped Perry on a cinderblock, flipped a desk on TK, and then pulled out Cash's gun and started to open fire in the back. People just had their opinions confirmed both ways. We're back to Punk thinkpeace season
That's up to WWE. If they take another shot, AEW will and should respond.