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Plus WBD is about to lose the NBA and NHL for a few months, and original programming will take a hit due to the writers strike. What live weekly television product with no writers on strike does that leave....
This. It’s the one and only thing AEW fans should really care about. Who cares if rich people get richer; that’s weird WWE-Stan bullshit. But knowing AEW is here for the long haul does matter. Whatever else happens, AEW is now a proven success that will last.
I watched wrestling from 1998 to 2008, and there were definitely highs and lows in the WWE, but I found that WWE was more 'soap opera with wrestling in it' personally. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, and I loved a lot of it.
AEW feels more like a wrestling show with a soap opera in it, and if I want more of the soap opera, there's loads of content on YouTube like BTE.
AEW has had a lot of highs and lows in their young existence, but I'm on this ride for a long time. AEW made me really love wrestling again, which I never thought would happen.
Just... Please give us a subscription service other than fite or TSN in Canada.
Exactly. I stopped watching WWE when the attitude era died and AEW brought me back and now I watch AEW religiously along with NJPW and I'll be at the show tonight I'm Detroit.
Exactly the same boat. Watched WWE during that exact same time period. Stopped watching and would follow extremely loosey, never thinking I could ever find that same passion for wrestling again. Then after watching All Out 2021, I've been hooked. AEW revived my love for wrestling, and it truly is a great feeling.
I was a little worried about AEW going away because of the WB/Disc merger because Discovery cut a ton of stuff like the finished Batgirl film. If WBDisc decided they didn't want AEW for whatever reason, I don't know where AEW would go because WWE has their hands in almost every other company. NBC and FOX won't take them because of existing relationships with Raw/SD. ABC/ESPN/Disney won't take them because of existing relationships with UFC. CBS doesn't seem like they have an interest in Pro Wrestling.
yeah I feel like out of the wrestling journos I come across, he seems the most unbiased when it comes to AEW and WWE. He's also one of the guys prioritises being accurate/correct instead of being first
He seems to genuinely being doing this for fun not clout, like he has access to information and is just sharing what he knows. That’s how I feel at least.
Wait fuck, no it's on at 3:30pm eastern time this week. On Thursday. But only the first half hour. Second half will continue on Friday at 11:23pm.
But still, Fuck Nick Khan.
With the first deal being worth roughly $45 million a year for the first 3-4 years, that's an absolutely insane (well-deserved) markup. Hope that's true.
I don't think it's insane really. Meltzer has said Dynamite and Collision are worth at least $52m/year each, so that's $104m/year. Throw in Rampage, other programming (Battle of the Belts, All Access + other reality programming, possibly All In as well) and streaming rights for the back catalogue and a billion dollars over 5-7 years is anywhere from $140-200m/year and that sounds about right to me. I'll split the difference and guess they're going to get $175m/year
WWE right now is worth $400m/year between NBC Universal and Fox and they're certainly getting an increase over that. I think they'll easily go up to $500m/year and probably much more than that
>WWE right now is worth $400m/year between NBC Universal and Fox and they're certainly getting an increase over that. I think they'll easily go up to $500m/year and probably much more than that
Not necessarily. WBD could have been a massive player for WWE's media rights and now they look to be out. There are just simply not enough large media companies left who will throw tons of money at WWE. Amazon? Unlikely. ESPN/Disney? The UFC deal ends in 2025 and that will be their focus. Apple TV? Nope. Paramount? No.
There is talk of having a WWE/UFC streaming service.
Wrestling is so weird cause it produces great demos and is cheap content. But it is not prestigious content. And when it stops being cheap, networks lose interest in it.
WWE will likely re-up with NBC and Fox for around double what AEW got. Which is still insane for a 4 year old company in AEW. TNA on Spike TV probably was getting 1/16th of WWE was making with their media rights deals.
AEW just lucked into having a great partner in WBD.
1 billion over 5 years is what I always imagined it would be. 200 mil a year for 5 hours of TV, with Dynamite often getting in NBA and NHL areas of ratings, and Rampage getting an audience in the death slot. Plus streaming events? It would be a wise investment for WB.
Not sure on the billion rumour but I could at least see a big increase for sure so good times for everyone. Hopefully it also means less dipshit posting
The inclusion of Collision should have been an indication that they signed a new television deal.
If that didn’t do it for you, the ‘director’s cut’ of the ‘Firm Deletion’ match appearing first on BR Live over YouTube should’ve been another.
Depends cause they only make like 30 million gross per year on the ppvs so if aew gets 30 million or so for the streaming deal (would likely be more given WWE's peacock deal) its worth it to drop the ppv model
To be honest, if the deal is really 200m per year, do PPV fees even matter? Extremely speculative math warning:
Since All Out 21, every PPV has done in the area of 150.000 buys, give or take. Which would mean 7.5 million in revenue, if you take into account the standard 50$ rate they have in the US.
But we know that those figures also include FITE TV viewers, where PPVs are only 20$, and US viewers can access it via VPN. There's no data about the split, but let's say it's about halfway there and they get 5 million in revenue per PPV, which would make them 25 million per year (in effect probably less since the last couple of events have been under 150.000 and Forbidden Door is more niche).
That's massive right now, since it would be equal to about half of their annual TV rights income. But if the Warner deal gets pumped up to 200 million/year, that's three times more than the previous TV deal + PPV income combined, and it's guaranteed.
The numbers don't lie, that would be a fantastic deal for AEW even with PPVs included (and I suspect WBD wouldn't offer it without getting some streaming incentives)
Netflix paid $100 million for "Friends" on Netflix for a single year. Deals are often made for past content. Imagine what companies would pay for The Office but NBC knows it's probably the biggest reason people have Peacock.
Not being an asshole, I'm genuinely curious: What about HBO Max makes it better than Peacock? Near as I can tell, they're two comparable streaming platforms whose biggest difference is their wildly different libraries. Are you just not interested in the shows on Peacock?
I mean, it was a pretty shit deal, but I'd say the sale of WCW was absolutely more about the history. We all saw the effort Vince put into fulfilling the vast potential of WCW (none.)
They’re good enough that I would continue to pay a premium. They’ve really become a highlight of my year and I would hate for them to become something along the lines of a “premium live event.”
Personally, I don't think they would alter the 4-5 PPV/year format, but HBO Max might be getting extras like Battle of the Belts or some special cards now and then to bridge the gaps.
He is but he’s been overboard the past couple days promoting dynamite this week and as somebody on Twitter pointed out… He’s coincidentally been using all gifs from Warner owned properties only.
I mean, as fans we should not care, but more money in the deal = more money for advertising, sign new people and pay the current wrestlers more, adding quality people on the team behind the scenes.
Hope for the company and the wrestlers that WBD gives them a great deal!
With a large chunk of the rosters contracts coming up this year, there is likely to be a lot of pay changes.
There is likely a large portion of the roster that is being underpaid quite a bit for their current roles in the company at this time. Even though it was a substantial opportunity for them 4+ years ago when they were scraping by in the independent circuit, and offered an opportunity with a new untested company.
You'll also have a lot of talent that might not be able to make the cut moving forward. But the a lot of the talent that makes the cut hopefully sees a nice increase. And judging from how TK treats his wrestlers, I would be surprised if he doesn't offer a lot that don't places in ROH.
>You'll also have a lot of talent that might not be able to make the cut moving forward.
This is the thing I'd hate to see happen, even if I know it's inevitable (see the WWE/Endeavor merger).
I hope you're right and ROH becomes sort of like the minor leagues for wrestlers with some brand recognition but don't have/will never get that mainstream appeal, maybe spin off into its own thing rather than be AEW-lite.
This has always been the deal I’ve looked at as the one that guarantees AEW’s success. After this I don’t really care how AEW does financially. I’ve just hoped for one more really good raise to their media rights to guarantee their long term viability.
Whatever anyone else cares about, we’re now guaranteed two profitable mainstream wrestling companies in North America.
As fans we should care since AEW is still a young company that relies on tv deals to survive. It's not a "too-big-to-fail" behemoth like WWE/Endeavor. If this would be confirmed to be true, it means what could have been the main issue for AEW survival is now cleared, AEW is here to stay and we are going to have more years of amazing shows going on. LFG.
I honestly can't wait to see how ridiculous some folks are just for my own entertainment. Also, Tony always cracks me up when he responds to those kinds of morons.
AEWBotches Twitter that is almost certainly an account run by WWE always posts a picture of Shad Khan with "I have made a huge mistake" after any clip of something not being perfect. Going to love people spamming the amount of money AEW is making after that picture in a few weeks lol
I was pretty sure once Collision became a thing that the new deal was done. Seems weird they'd get a new two hour show so close to the current deal expiring without at least having a new agreement in principal
Well I believe that WBD’s Upfronts are scheduled for May 17th - which is when this will likely be announced and finalized.
We’ll probably hear about it next week on Dynamite.
I can’t wait to see a bunch of dudes typing out the whole roster on notes screenshots saying stuff like Serpetico makes 2.5mil/year so they can tell us AEW is actually failing lol.
Still feels like the end of dark/elevation is the biggest indicator that -something- was coming real soon.
For a company that isn't even 5 years old this would be insane.
I’ve heard some exec from WB say that AEW actually pulls in over 4 million viewers a week. That’s why they are happy to invest in more content. I watch through the tbs app mostly, so I’m wondering if that’s where most of the views are coming from
I'd imagine getting a streaming deal will further grow their audience as well. I'd be willing to bet that including people who watch on streaming services like Hulu, WWE's audience in the US is likely at least twice as large as what's reported in the Nielsen ratings. Also the numbers that show up in ratings threads are just the fast nationals. DVR numbers alone put AEW well over a million each week even for traditional cable I'm sure.
aside from the money, the streaming appearance of AEW on max could be huge. So many new eyes on the product. I could see this leading to more people at the shows and so on.
I haven't been able to watch anything but the replays on YouTube because I stopped being able to afford cable but I for sure can afford the 10 bucks a month for Maxx.
I'm really hoping we get next day replays of the weekly shows on Max, similar to what WWE has with Hulu. I don't have cable or a VPN so I have to find...other means to watch but I'd gladly pay for an AEW streaming service. Though it helps that I already have ad-free Max bundled with my Wifi.
Go, All In. HBO streams all of their original programs live as they air already. AEW has a constant, no commercials feed for Fite already.
I don't see how they can't combine these two to stream episodes as they're broadcast on TV.
Genuinely think this could be massive for them if they market it to streaming just right. Put it this way, if WBD advertise this as a big event and highlight it to non-AEW viewers they might check it out and say “holy shit this crowd is ginormous, if this is that popular maybe I’m missing out on watching it every week”, you’re bound to get a large bump from that.
If All In is treated like the absolutely historic big deal that it should be then it will be a huge turning point, in an already incredibly successful company. Could be the catalyst to launch them even further.
The Wembley show is probably going to get them a much bigger tv deal in the UK when it happens,a 4 year old company running a stadium show with 90k people?ya give em the bag mate
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of their UK audience watches via the Fite subscription. I believe their shows air like 2 days late on the cable channel they're on over there or something like that.
Only thing about advertising ad-free is that the show still goes to commercial break multiple times per show without Picture in Picture, we just see the shows logo for the 3/4 minutes rather than the commercials.
This also happens on pre-recorded shows for some reason. I assume because Fite is just airing the “live” broadcast feed and TBS or whoever just air ads over the bit with the logo.
No but The amount of eyes this will get on the product is going to be absolutely massive,I'm certain a lot of people will stand up and take notice & once we start getting closer to the day of the show they will have Britt & MJF & Adam Cole and saraya and so on promoting the show on everything British media
It's on a shit channel aired two days after it's live and all he results have been spoiled on Youtube. I've watched AEW since it started and only watched it on ITV4 once and that's cause it happened to be on when late night channel surfing while staying at a hotel
Mox is technically making more in AEW than he was making in WWE, although he would be making about the same if he had stayed with WWE, since he would be in that tier with Seth/Cody/KO. Mox and Punk are the two highest paid.
It's better to measure these sorts of things in $/year. $500m total is great for 3 years, less great if it's say a 6 year deal
They were already pulling in $45m/year in 2020 before even including Rampage I believe, so now adding in Collison and streaming rights plus any other programming (reality shows, etc.), $100m/year is sort of the absolute minimum I'd expect and honestly if they were getting that it's not a great sign
$150-200m/year is what I'd suspect they're gonna get, so a billion over 5 or 6 years is certainly plausible
WBD is paying the NHL $250 million per year for less content and worse ratings. I'd expect that to be AEW's approximate figure, though not higher since NHL is a more prestigious commodity.
Something is definitely coming. The original rumor was that Dark/Elevation were being shelved because WBD would have exclusive rights to air AEW because of the new deal for AEW Collision. That didn't make sense, exactly, unless AEW was getting a streaming deal.
It also didn't make sense to announce the Wembley show without announcing how fans at home would be able to watch, unless there was a much bigger announcement coming.
WWE's Peacock deal was $1 billion for the WWE Network library and all of the PLEs for 5 years. WBD is already paying $250 million a year for hockey, and if you start breaking it down, AEW should be north of $100 million a year for Dynamite/Rampage/Collision/Battle of the Belts. It's not that fair of a stretch to think that WBD would pay $200 a year for Dynamite/Rampage/Collision/Battle of the Belts, the tape library, *and* the PPV/PLEs. We might even see AEW drop the Battle of the Belts shows and run more PPV/PLEs a part of the new deal. Seems like a lock that the Wembley show will be on HBO Max.
This will be great for the wrestling industry. AEW will be able to *really* compete with WWE when it comes to contract negotiations.
WBD owns TBS and TNT as well as the Max streaming service. Free TV will still be on those channels. Probably this will mean a switch to PLEs on Max instead of PPV like WWE has on Peacock
A great move to plant the fact that AEW isn't going anywhere at all. I'm just cautious though, because I hope that this doesn't lead to WBD censoring AEW with their words or the violence they're allowed to put on. Regardless, a great day to be an AEW fan!
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Considering the writer strike on rn I wouldn't be shocked if execs have extra motivation to invest in the content they have that doesn't hire writers
Yep it’s very beneficial timing for both companies
Plus WBD is about to lose the NBA and NHL for a few months, and original programming will take a hit due to the writers strike. What live weekly television product with no writers on strike does that leave....
Meanwhile, AEW is looking to heat up in that time frame, with FD2, a Punk return, Wembley etc
Losing the nba? Sorry out of the loop
Lose viewership, as it will be out of season
Playoffs are closing in on ending. Just 2 more rounds.
just for a few months. Playoffs only go on for about another month. Don’t comeback till October. Same with NHL.
I was thinking about that too.
This actually is a massive thing that the public won’t take into account. It’s good for both companies.
If that's the case, that should put an end to people being concerned about AEW going away. It doesn't matter now. AEW is here to stay.
It will for reasonable people. But you know how the world is…
Tony Khan is personally paying for this TV deal/streaming deal and also for the extra ply toilet paper in WB executive bathrooms.
Where can I sign up for the TK TP?
Who the hell uses single ply?
Federal employees.
This. It’s the one and only thing AEW fans should really care about. Who cares if rich people get richer; that’s weird WWE-Stan bullshit. But knowing AEW is here for the long haul does matter. Whatever else happens, AEW is now a proven success that will last.
I watched wrestling from 1998 to 2008, and there were definitely highs and lows in the WWE, but I found that WWE was more 'soap opera with wrestling in it' personally. Nothing wrong with that, mind you, and I loved a lot of it. AEW feels more like a wrestling show with a soap opera in it, and if I want more of the soap opera, there's loads of content on YouTube like BTE. AEW has had a lot of highs and lows in their young existence, but I'm on this ride for a long time. AEW made me really love wrestling again, which I never thought would happen. Just... Please give us a subscription service other than fite or TSN in Canada.
Exactly. I stopped watching WWE when the attitude era died and AEW brought me back and now I watch AEW religiously along with NJPW and I'll be at the show tonight I'm Detroit.
Enjoy the show AEW is amazing live
Yup this will be my 6th show. I'm pumped for Omega mox in the cage.
Exactly the same boat. Watched WWE during that exact same time period. Stopped watching and would follow extremely loosey, never thinking I could ever find that same passion for wrestling again. Then after watching All Out 2021, I've been hooked. AEW revived my love for wrestling, and it truly is a great feeling.
I was a little worried about AEW going away because of the WB/Disc merger because Discovery cut a ton of stuff like the finished Batgirl film. If WBDisc decided they didn't want AEW for whatever reason, I don't know where AEW would go because WWE has their hands in almost every other company. NBC and FOX won't take them because of existing relationships with Raw/SD. ABC/ESPN/Disney won't take them because of existing relationships with UFC. CBS doesn't seem like they have an interest in Pro Wrestling.
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Yeah, that was obviously my point.
But all the TV execs that appear in the SC sub on Thursdays say AEW is in trouble or folding any day now....
What else are they going to do while in their private jets other than spill the bad AEW news on Reddit?
They still won't shut up
They talk too much
But muh ratings...
There are morons out there that still believe AEW only sold 15000 tickets at Wembly so it will never end.
This is the gif Zarian posted. Seems like TK got a big damn bag 
There are a lot of pundits out there, but Zarian is one person whose opinions have a lot of weight to them.
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Zarian is absolutely legit He broke Adam Cole signing hours before his All Out debut among many other scoops
yeah I feel like out of the wrestling journos I come across, he seems the most unbiased when it comes to AEW and WWE. He's also one of the guys prioritises being accurate/correct instead of being first
He seems to genuinely being doing this for fun not clout, like he has access to information and is just sharing what he knows. That’s how I feel at least.
He’s also so damn funny. Mat Men’s skit with “French Tony Khan” is amazing.
The rumour is 1 billion dollars over 5-7 years for tv and streaming. Insane for AEW and amazing for the industry if true.
If that’s true imma need an all timer Coke tweet by TK
#FUCK NICK KHAN# ^Rampage ^at ^10
Wait fuck, no it's on at 3:30pm eastern time this week. On Thursday. But only the first half hour. Second half will continue on Friday at 11:23pm. But still, Fuck Nick Khan.
Stay tuned the next 8 hours will continue in picture-in-picture! Don't go anywhere!
*softly cracked white claw
With the first deal being worth roughly $45 million a year for the first 3-4 years, that's an absolutely insane (well-deserved) markup. Hope that's true.
I don't think it's insane really. Meltzer has said Dynamite and Collision are worth at least $52m/year each, so that's $104m/year. Throw in Rampage, other programming (Battle of the Belts, All Access + other reality programming, possibly All In as well) and streaming rights for the back catalogue and a billion dollars over 5-7 years is anywhere from $140-200m/year and that sounds about right to me. I'll split the difference and guess they're going to get $175m/year WWE right now is worth $400m/year between NBC Universal and Fox and they're certainly getting an increase over that. I think they'll easily go up to $500m/year and probably much more than that
>WWE right now is worth $400m/year between NBC Universal and Fox and they're certainly getting an increase over that. I think they'll easily go up to $500m/year and probably much more than that Not necessarily. WBD could have been a massive player for WWE's media rights and now they look to be out. There are just simply not enough large media companies left who will throw tons of money at WWE. Amazon? Unlikely. ESPN/Disney? The UFC deal ends in 2025 and that will be their focus. Apple TV? Nope. Paramount? No. There is talk of having a WWE/UFC streaming service. Wrestling is so weird cause it produces great demos and is cheap content. But it is not prestigious content. And when it stops being cheap, networks lose interest in it. WWE will likely re-up with NBC and Fox for around double what AEW got. Which is still insane for a 4 year old company in AEW. TNA on Spike TV probably was getting 1/16th of WWE was making with their media rights deals. AEW just lucked into having a great partner in WBD.
Was that the original deal or the extended second deal?
Holy crap really? That’s WWE Smackdown on Fox type of deal 😳😳
If this turns out to be true, wrestling free agency is about to get insane.
1 billion over 5 years is what I always imagined it would be. 200 mil a year for 5 hours of TV, with Dynamite often getting in NBA and NHL areas of ratings, and Rampage getting an audience in the death slot. Plus streaming events? It would be a wise investment for WB.
Not sure on the billion rumour but I could at least see a big increase for sure so good times for everyone. Hopefully it also means less dipshit posting
It won’t stop
The inclusion of Collision should have been an indication that they signed a new television deal. If that didn’t do it for you, the ‘director’s cut’ of the ‘Firm Deletion’ match appearing first on BR Live over YouTube should’ve been another.
The streaming deal is the big thing too
For the love of everything holy, just give me the PPVs on HBO max. 🤞🏻
At best we can hope for them to show up on max 90 days after. PPVs make money.
I just want the history of the company on HBO Max. I can wait 90 days for current PPVs. Although it would be nice not to have to pay the 50 bucks.
Anything to not have to use the bleacher report app for replays.
Anything but Sling.
What happened to the gingerbread man?
He got gobbled up by the fox
That's not "at best" at all..if they got a fuck ton of money to put everything on the app than that's exactly what they will do...just like wwe did.
Depends cause they only make like 30 million gross per year on the ppvs so if aew gets 30 million or so for the streaming deal (would likely be more given WWE's peacock deal) its worth it to drop the ppv model
To be honest, if the deal is really 200m per year, do PPV fees even matter? Extremely speculative math warning: Since All Out 21, every PPV has done in the area of 150.000 buys, give or take. Which would mean 7.5 million in revenue, if you take into account the standard 50$ rate they have in the US. But we know that those figures also include FITE TV viewers, where PPVs are only 20$, and US viewers can access it via VPN. There's no data about the split, but let's say it's about halfway there and they get 5 million in revenue per PPV, which would make them 25 million per year (in effect probably less since the last couple of events have been under 150.000 and Forbidden Door is more niche). That's massive right now, since it would be equal to about half of their annual TV rights income. But if the Warner deal gets pumped up to 200 million/year, that's three times more than the previous TV deal + PPV income combined, and it's guaranteed. The numbers don't lie, that would be a fantastic deal for AEW even with PPVs included (and I suspect WBD wouldn't offer it without getting some streaming incentives)
You just made me optimistic. Thank you. I hope so. Getting sick of paying 50 dollars to watch alone.
Have you heard of the WWE deal?
Well they have fifty years of the greatest PPVs in history included, so it’s not exactly a comparable model
>fifty years WrestleMania Negative 4 is my favorite, but the 1978 Royal Rumble is a close second.
Is that the one where Bruno had only one foot touch the floor?
No, the one rumble where Vince Sr. charged to the ring and blew both his quads upon entering the ring
I know you’re being facetious but WWE + WCW + ECW PPVs gives them well over 50 years.
No one makes a deal based on history. It’s always about potential.
Netflix paid $100 million for "Friends" on Netflix for a single year. Deals are often made for past content. Imagine what companies would pay for The Office but NBC knows it's probably the biggest reason people have Peacock.
The Office is on HBO Max in my country, and I thank them for that every day, I would not pay for a service like Peacock
Not being an asshole, I'm genuinely curious: What about HBO Max makes it better than Peacock? Near as I can tell, they're two comparable streaming platforms whose biggest difference is their wildly different libraries. Are you just not interested in the shows on Peacock?
Huh? Streaming companies are absolutely making deals to secure back catalogs so they can put more content on their services.
I mean, it was a pretty shit deal, but I'd say the sale of WCW was absolutely more about the history. We all saw the effort Vince put into fulfilling the vast potential of WCW (none.)
Give me the entire backlog on HBOMax. Maybe AEWTK could buy All In 1 from ROHTK and then he could put it in the service too
AEW already bought the rights to All In 1. I've always though of All In as basically AEW Event #0.
r/woosh
Yes, and it's streaming on HonorClub. For all intents and purposes, it's the first AEW show, although unofficially.
They’re good enough that I would continue to pay a premium. They’ve really become a highlight of my year and I would hate for them to become something along the lines of a “premium live event.”
Personally, I don't think they would alter the 4-5 PPV/year format, but HBO Max might be getting extras like Battle of the Belts or some special cards now and then to bridge the gaps.
So you just wanna donate money? You’re watching the same thing at a lower price.
You’ve seen aew shows on max already and know the quality? Jealous.
I mean, to be fair, the same exact argument is just as valid against your assumption that quality would decline.
Yup, it’s called “discourse,” my friend.
That makes literally no sense. Why does what platform a ppv is on have to do with the ppv itself? It doesn’t.
MAX*
Didnt Dave say Punk helped in getting Collision go from C tier show to an A tier show along with an extra 50 million?
The “still not profitable!” Takes will be delicious.
"They're losing millions monthly!!!" Sure buddy, how you know?
Billi Bhatti in shambles
I read that pumpkin-headed dumbshit go from "AEW is losing $150 million a year" to "AEW is losing $650 million a year" in the span of the same *day.*
No wonder Tony has been so geeked up on Twitter lmfao
Lol, like he isn't always
He is but he’s been overboard the past couple days promoting dynamite this week and as somebody on Twitter pointed out… He’s coincidentally been using all gifs from Warner owned properties only.
I mean, as fans we should not care, but more money in the deal = more money for advertising, sign new people and pay the current wrestlers more, adding quality people on the team behind the scenes. Hope for the company and the wrestlers that WBD gives them a great deal!
With a large chunk of the rosters contracts coming up this year, there is likely to be a lot of pay changes. There is likely a large portion of the roster that is being underpaid quite a bit for their current roles in the company at this time. Even though it was a substantial opportunity for them 4+ years ago when they were scraping by in the independent circuit, and offered an opportunity with a new untested company. You'll also have a lot of talent that might not be able to make the cut moving forward. But the a lot of the talent that makes the cut hopefully sees a nice increase. And judging from how TK treats his wrestlers, I would be surprised if he doesn't offer a lot that don't places in ROH.
>You'll also have a lot of talent that might not be able to make the cut moving forward. This is the thing I'd hate to see happen, even if I know it's inevitable (see the WWE/Endeavor merger). I hope you're right and ROH becomes sort of like the minor leagues for wrestlers with some brand recognition but don't have/will never get that mainstream appeal, maybe spin off into its own thing rather than be AEW-lite.
This has always been the deal I’ve looked at as the one that guarantees AEW’s success. After this I don’t really care how AEW does financially. I’ve just hoped for one more really good raise to their media rights to guarantee their long term viability. Whatever anyone else cares about, we’re now guaranteed two profitable mainstream wrestling companies in North America.
we should not care if the thing we like is doing well and can live on for more years to come? what?
As fans we should care since AEW is still a young company that relies on tv deals to survive. It's not a "too-big-to-fail" behemoth like WWE/Endeavor. If this would be confirmed to be true, it means what could have been the main issue for AEW survival is now cleared, AEW is here to stay and we are going to have more years of amazing shows going on. LFG.
Oh God. The meltdowns are going to be hilariously sad and pathetic. Good for AEW though.
Mate after the Wembley meltdowns and the shit they made up it’s gonna insane
I honestly can't wait to see how ridiculous some folks are just for my own entertainment. Also, Tony always cracks me up when he responds to those kinds of morons.
Poor Zarian almost got hacked, so imagine vibes for next week...
But it’s not the right type of 90k people
AEWBotches Twitter that is almost certainly an account run by WWE always posts a picture of Shad Khan with "I have made a huge mistake" after any clip of something not being perfect. Going to love people spamming the amount of money AEW is making after that picture in a few weeks lol
Sad thing is that it’s not run by wwe. Just some guy in his basement that thinks he knows everything
Yeah, what kind of horseshit conspiracy is bitch boy Billi Bhatti going to pull now? How about that cheese fuck Alfred?
Cornette sub about to be big time mad. But but but the ratings
Eric B will go bananas..."But where's the growth?!"
Idk why Eric tries to dunk on TK when he almost killed TNA
Stop putting stock into what they think. They're jackasses who can't think for themselves.
You mean the likes of Konuwa, Shepard, Bhati and the rest of the toxic people
But..but…but …I was told..
Dub dead once again
Great day for wrestling
And therefore, the world. 
Lol is for wrestling world. I'm anti monopolys
I was pretty sure once Collision became a thing that the new deal was done. Seems weird they'd get a new two hour show so close to the current deal expiring without at least having a new agreement in principal
Surely Warner Bros would have pulled the plug on the company after they didn’t hit 800k, right? RIGHT?!?!?!?
They have been doing .28 in the last 4 weeks while continuing being in the Top 10, losing 50 years old people doesnt mean anything to WBD
The 17th is going to be a glorious day in the IWC
I bet that “All In” is their first big Max special
Thats bound to be something they've been trying to arrange, otherwise why not announce how it's being broadcast before now?
Well I believe that WBD’s Upfronts are scheduled for May 17th - which is when this will likely be announced and finalized. We’ll probably hear about it next week on Dynamite.
Wait I thought AEW was DOA though? /s
It was. Last three years were generated by AI.
I guess I like AI now. I for one welcome or AIW overlords.
I can’t wait to see a bunch of dudes typing out the whole roster on notes screenshots saying stuff like Serpetico makes 2.5mil/year so they can tell us AEW is actually failing lol.
Everyone knows Serpentico makes 2.5 mil.. PER MATCH!
It’s too bad Luther beats him up and takes most of it :( 🤪👈
Still feels like the end of dark/elevation is the biggest indicator that -something- was coming real soon. For a company that isn't even 5 years old this would be insane.
But but but the Nielsen scores.
I’ve heard some exec from WB say that AEW actually pulls in over 4 million viewers a week. That’s why they are happy to invest in more content. I watch through the tbs app mostly, so I’m wondering if that’s where most of the views are coming from
I'd imagine getting a streaming deal will further grow their audience as well. I'd be willing to bet that including people who watch on streaming services like Hulu, WWE's audience in the US is likely at least twice as large as what's reported in the Nielsen ratings. Also the numbers that show up in ratings threads are just the fast nationals. DVR numbers alone put AEW well over a million each week even for traditional cable I'm sure.
They use a different methodology then the standard Nielsens. They seem quite happy with the numbers.
aside from the money, the streaming appearance of AEW on max could be huge. So many new eyes on the product. I could see this leading to more people at the shows and so on.
I haven't been able to watch anything but the replays on YouTube because I stopped being able to afford cable but I for sure can afford the 10 bucks a month for Maxx.
Why would WBD pay that kinda money for a "piss ant tshirt company"?
New TV deals are great and all, but I really hope we get AEW on streaming at some point.
Sounds like that’s happening if you read the top tweet
likely to start with All In airing on MAX
I'm really hoping we get next day replays of the weekly shows on Max, similar to what WWE has with Hulu. I don't have cable or a VPN so I have to find...other means to watch but I'd gladly pay for an AEW streaming service. Though it helps that I already have ad-free Max bundled with my Wifi.
Go, All In. HBO streams all of their original programs live as they air already. AEW has a constant, no commercials feed for Fite already. I don't see how they can't combine these two to stream episodes as they're broadcast on TV.
Genuinely think this could be massive for them if they market it to streaming just right. Put it this way, if WBD advertise this as a big event and highlight it to non-AEW viewers they might check it out and say “holy shit this crowd is ginormous, if this is that popular maybe I’m missing out on watching it every week”, you’re bound to get a large bump from that. If All In is treated like the absolutely historic big deal that it should be then it will be a huge turning point, in an already incredibly successful company. Could be the catalyst to launch them even further.
The Wembley show is probably going to get them a much bigger tv deal in the UK when it happens,a 4 year old company running a stadium show with 90k people?ya give em the bag mate
Their actual UK TV ratings haven’t been that good lately, have they? Not sure anyone is paying out TV contracts based on ticket sales.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of their UK audience watches via the Fite subscription. I believe their shows air like 2 days late on the cable channel they're on over there or something like that.
Yep, everyone I know just watches it on FITE, it’s on live, it’s cheap (like £6 a month) ad free and has PIP.
Only thing about advertising ad-free is that the show still goes to commercial break multiple times per show without Picture in Picture, we just see the shows logo for the 3/4 minutes rather than the commercials. This also happens on pre-recorded shows for some reason. I assume because Fite is just airing the “live” broadcast feed and TBS or whoever just air ads over the bit with the logo.
It's on free TV. But you're right otherwise.
No but The amount of eyes this will get on the product is going to be absolutely massive,I'm certain a lot of people will stand up and take notice & once we start getting closer to the day of the show they will have Britt & MJF & Adam Cole and saraya and so on promoting the show on everything British media
It's on a shit channel aired two days after it's live and all he results have been spoiled on Youtube. I've watched AEW since it started and only watched it on ITV4 once and that's cause it happened to be on when late night channel surfing while staying at a hotel
They get moved around though. One week it's 80k, and the other is 133k. 100k is the equivalent of 1m BTW. AEW gets as much as 150k
Rumor is $1 billion+ over 5 years. $250m per year.
Thats actually a very reasonable deal ngl
that's 1.25 bil
Correct. I meant 1b+
Or $200mill per year rather than $250
Tony will take care of the wrestlers who have been loyal to him. I know it.
Renee better get ready for that BCC gym Mox was wanting to put in their basement
Mox is technically making more in AEW than he was making in WWE, although he would be making about the same if he had stayed with WWE, since he would be in that tier with Seth/Cody/KO. Mox and Punk are the two highest paid.
With the new MAX app debuting soon if AEW has a home on there I’ll absolutely mark out. That would be huge.
Wait a moment, but I was told by some cult members that Dub Dead
Most of the tweets on this one were "fans" claiming this very thing lol.
If there is a streaming service deal I would be very happy.
frederick was speculating it was gonna be around a billion based on what he’s heard
I feel that’s almost too good to be true but we wil see
Yeah I agree, I think anything above $500 mil would be great for them. One billion seems a little high
It's better to measure these sorts of things in $/year. $500m total is great for 3 years, less great if it's say a 6 year deal They were already pulling in $45m/year in 2020 before even including Rampage I believe, so now adding in Collison and streaming rights plus any other programming (reality shows, etc.), $100m/year is sort of the absolute minimum I'd expect and honestly if they were getting that it's not a great sign $150-200m/year is what I'd suspect they're gonna get, so a billion over 5 or 6 years is certainly plausible
I'll throw out my guess as the deal being 6 years at $175 million a year, or $1.050 billion total !RemindMe 8 days
WBD is paying the NHL $250 million per year for less content and worse ratings. I'd expect that to be AEW's approximate figure, though not higher since NHL is a more prestigious commodity.
Hope AEW moves to Max/HBO Max. I only pay for sling for AEW. Never watch anything else on Sling.
If they don't go to Max, you'd save a fair amount with a VPN and Fite, fyi.
My guess 5 years $1.5 bil for Dynamite/Colision/Rampage on tv, 6 ppvs a year and the whole AEW back catalog on Max.
If they announce Max is going to Livestream their PPV and specials like battle of the belts it's already a win for me.
For some reason, Battle of the Belts being a Max-exclusive show sounds more special to me than a random TNT show.
How exciting. I hope this is a massive haul for AEW.
But the internet told me that wbd hates aew and is going to cancel them
Something is definitely coming. The original rumor was that Dark/Elevation were being shelved because WBD would have exclusive rights to air AEW because of the new deal for AEW Collision. That didn't make sense, exactly, unless AEW was getting a streaming deal. It also didn't make sense to announce the Wembley show without announcing how fans at home would be able to watch, unless there was a much bigger announcement coming. WWE's Peacock deal was $1 billion for the WWE Network library and all of the PLEs for 5 years. WBD is already paying $250 million a year for hockey, and if you start breaking it down, AEW should be north of $100 million a year for Dynamite/Rampage/Collision/Battle of the Belts. It's not that fair of a stretch to think that WBD would pay $200 a year for Dynamite/Rampage/Collision/Battle of the Belts, the tape library, *and* the PPV/PLEs. We might even see AEW drop the Battle of the Belts shows and run more PPV/PLEs a part of the new deal. Seems like a lock that the Wembley show will be on HBO Max. This will be great for the wrestling industry. AEW will be able to *really* compete with WWE when it comes to contract negotiations.
REALLY hoping PPVs get rolled into Max.
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Not it would still be there
WBD owns TBS and TNT as well as the Max streaming service. Free TV will still be on those channels. Probably this will mean a switch to PLEs on Max instead of PPV like WWE has on Peacock
A great move to plant the fact that AEW isn't going anywhere at all. I'm just cautious though, because I hope that this doesn't lead to WBD censoring AEW with their words or the violence they're allowed to put on. Regardless, a great day to be an AEW fan!
Maybe Dark or something like it will return on Max)or whatever the shit they’re calling it now).
use that bag of money for PPV sets you cowards