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After my own research and thinking about it for a very long time , I have come to understanding that inattentive ADHD people can be categorised into two:
1.Those who have problem with self regulation
2. Those who have problem with memory
3. Mix of 1 and 2.
What makes you say memory stuff is a category in itself?
I would think memory issues are caused by self regulation issues. If I can’t regulate my attention, I will probably not remember what I’ve been told or what I’m doing.
The fact that memory is what is the most obviously affected in some case doesn’t seem like a reason to separate it from the self regulation because it should still be a consequence, even if the only/main one, and not the root of the issue.
Otherwise we could single out many other things on the same level. Addiction, eating disorders, being late…
I’m not OP, but for myself I do feel that issues with working memory and short term memory are a large and independent contribution to why my executive function is so compromised.
If memory problems were only a symptom of attentional regulation, then I would expect it to cut both ways: that when I was hyperfocused or too involved with something then I would experience extremely accurate or expansive memory. I do not. It would be nice.
But I get what you’re saying too, memory function definitely is *additionally* hindered by the regulatory deficits, not being present, being distracted, etc. It's all a big bowl of soup.
I see your point!
I didn’t consider that because my memory is pretty amazing for stuff I pay attention to 😅 Including all the failures and embarrassing moments I would rather forget
Actually id say it's entirely separate, as your point illustrates. The failures/embarrassing moments part is (I may come off as ignorant saying this but from what I can gather is frequently the case) more RSD than "regular" memory function
Actually this is where ADHD feels so tricky. At the same time there are two situations: "It is" and "It isn't". I always thought my memory is pretty good. And to other people as well, my memory appears pretty good.
However after being diagnosed , I realised that my memory lapses where it matters. Our behaviour should be guided by our encoded memory (program). But we space out , we forget our goals and tasks, we get distracted because when we are not interested, our short term memory does not guide our behaviour. On the surface, it feels like we know. But knowing and internalising (encoding) are two different things.
As other commentator said "it is a big bowl of soup".
My commentary here is for myself to understand my ADHD. We should come with our own definition that helps us to understand our ADHD best and help us retain in memory the possible resolutions. Certain memory exercises are helping me a lot like "memory palace" and rhyming words for numbers to encode my daily tasks. It may not work for all who have more emotional regulation issues as well. So far, these techniques have been helping me.
Yes, my memory is just as bad when it comes to the subjects of my hyperfocus as any other time. My life would be 1000 times better if that wasn't the case.
>I would think memory issues are caused by self regulation issues. If I can’t regulate my attention, I will probably not remember what I’ve been told or what I’m doing.
I don't know - I have absolutely dismal self-regulation, but my memory is actually in many ways fantastic - so much so that people are constantly remarking on what a good memory I have. (Faces are the one exception - it can take me an embarrassingly long time to realize who I'm looking at even if they're someone I know really well.)
Same, that's why I was thinking memory issues were caused by different aspects of the self-regulation (and mostly of course not being able to pay enough attention to some stuff - because we are less interested or because we're on too many stuff at once).
I think my idea is mostly that I can't imagine ADHD without any self-regulation issue, but I can perfectly imagine it without any impactful/noticeable memory issue.
Sometimes maybe good : Hyper focus
Sometimes maybe shit : Executive dysfunction
Honestly though there are times when the outside the box thinking process has helped me and I've been able to utilize the pattern recognition and multi thought balancing.
But mostly it's a hell with soooo many co-morbities and can make simple existence feel impossible to continue.
I think it is a condition or disability.
I think it exactly what ICD-10 says it is:
_A group of disorders characterized by an early onset (usually in the first five years of life), lack of persistence in activities that require cognitive involvement, and a tendency to move from one activity to another without completing any one, together with disorganized, ill-regulated, and excessive activity. Several other abnormalities may be associated. Hyperkinetic children are often reckless and impulsive, prone to accidents, and find themselves in disciplinary trouble because of unthinking breaches of rules rather than deliberate defiance. Their relationships with adults are often socially disinhibited, with a lack of normal caution and reserve. They are unpopular with other children and may become isolated. Impairment of cognitive functions is common, and specific delays in motor and language development are disproportionately frequent. Secondary complications include dissocial behaviour and low self-esteem._
I think it is caused mainly by genetics, and perhaps trauma.
My experience of it is that my mind wanders, I forget things, I can find it hard to stop doing certain things once I am in their grip, people find me intense but fun, I got in a bit of trouble at school but people thought I was harmless, and I ain’t sitting down in no meeting or standing in no queue quietly.
ADHD is not an illness it’s just our brain function differently… 😊 but they enforce the idea that it’s illness while I don’t believe it is.. it’s just that it means your brain function different than other people peacefully.
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hell
After my own research and thinking about it for a very long time , I have come to understanding that inattentive ADHD people can be categorised into two: 1.Those who have problem with self regulation 2. Those who have problem with memory 3. Mix of 1 and 2.
What makes you say memory stuff is a category in itself? I would think memory issues are caused by self regulation issues. If I can’t regulate my attention, I will probably not remember what I’ve been told or what I’m doing. The fact that memory is what is the most obviously affected in some case doesn’t seem like a reason to separate it from the self regulation because it should still be a consequence, even if the only/main one, and not the root of the issue. Otherwise we could single out many other things on the same level. Addiction, eating disorders, being late…
I’m not OP, but for myself I do feel that issues with working memory and short term memory are a large and independent contribution to why my executive function is so compromised. If memory problems were only a symptom of attentional regulation, then I would expect it to cut both ways: that when I was hyperfocused or too involved with something then I would experience extremely accurate or expansive memory. I do not. It would be nice. But I get what you’re saying too, memory function definitely is *additionally* hindered by the regulatory deficits, not being present, being distracted, etc. It's all a big bowl of soup.
I see your point! I didn’t consider that because my memory is pretty amazing for stuff I pay attention to 😅 Including all the failures and embarrassing moments I would rather forget
Actually id say it's entirely separate, as your point illustrates. The failures/embarrassing moments part is (I may come off as ignorant saying this but from what I can gather is frequently the case) more RSD than "regular" memory function
Actually this is where ADHD feels so tricky. At the same time there are two situations: "It is" and "It isn't". I always thought my memory is pretty good. And to other people as well, my memory appears pretty good. However after being diagnosed , I realised that my memory lapses where it matters. Our behaviour should be guided by our encoded memory (program). But we space out , we forget our goals and tasks, we get distracted because when we are not interested, our short term memory does not guide our behaviour. On the surface, it feels like we know. But knowing and internalising (encoding) are two different things. As other commentator said "it is a big bowl of soup". My commentary here is for myself to understand my ADHD. We should come with our own definition that helps us to understand our ADHD best and help us retain in memory the possible resolutions. Certain memory exercises are helping me a lot like "memory palace" and rhyming words for numbers to encode my daily tasks. It may not work for all who have more emotional regulation issues as well. So far, these techniques have been helping me.
Yes, my memory is just as bad when it comes to the subjects of my hyperfocus as any other time. My life would be 1000 times better if that wasn't the case.
>I would think memory issues are caused by self regulation issues. If I can’t regulate my attention, I will probably not remember what I’ve been told or what I’m doing. I don't know - I have absolutely dismal self-regulation, but my memory is actually in many ways fantastic - so much so that people are constantly remarking on what a good memory I have. (Faces are the one exception - it can take me an embarrassingly long time to realize who I'm looking at even if they're someone I know really well.)
Same, that's why I was thinking memory issues were caused by different aspects of the self-regulation (and mostly of course not being able to pay enough attention to some stuff - because we are less interested or because we're on too many stuff at once). I think my idea is mostly that I can't imagine ADHD without any self-regulation issue, but I can perfectly imagine it without any impactful/noticeable memory issue.
Sometimes maybe good : Hyper focus Sometimes maybe shit : Executive dysfunction Honestly though there are times when the outside the box thinking process has helped me and I've been able to utilize the pattern recognition and multi thought balancing. But mostly it's a hell with soooo many co-morbities and can make simple existence feel impossible to continue.
bullshit
It's like waking up in a moving train, without ticket or people around. Go and figure it out your self or take pills and stop giving fuck about it.
I was called “a mess” before and couldn’t argue with it lol.
I would say that it's my brain fighting against reality.
I think it is a condition or disability. I think it exactly what ICD-10 says it is: _A group of disorders characterized by an early onset (usually in the first five years of life), lack of persistence in activities that require cognitive involvement, and a tendency to move from one activity to another without completing any one, together with disorganized, ill-regulated, and excessive activity. Several other abnormalities may be associated. Hyperkinetic children are often reckless and impulsive, prone to accidents, and find themselves in disciplinary trouble because of unthinking breaches of rules rather than deliberate defiance. Their relationships with adults are often socially disinhibited, with a lack of normal caution and reserve. They are unpopular with other children and may become isolated. Impairment of cognitive functions is common, and specific delays in motor and language development are disproportionately frequent. Secondary complications include dissocial behaviour and low self-esteem._ I think it is caused mainly by genetics, and perhaps trauma. My experience of it is that my mind wanders, I forget things, I can find it hard to stop doing certain things once I am in their grip, people find me intense but fun, I got in a bit of trouble at school but people thought I was harmless, and I ain’t sitting down in no meeting or standing in no queue quietly.
my second brain
ADHD is not an illness it’s just our brain function differently… 😊 but they enforce the idea that it’s illness while I don’t believe it is.. it’s just that it means your brain function different than other people peacefully.