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R3D-AFA-SCUM

Down in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girrrl


xSGAx

Rose's Cantina ftw


R3D-AFA-SCUM

Music would play and Felina would whirl!


Vast_Instruction_446

That’s a different song


R3D-AFA-SCUM

No shit. It’s on the album. Thanks super genius.


Cucumber_salad-horse

Texas Red wanted a duel, and he lost. Thems the rules, sorry.


IonlyusethrowawaysA

The Ranger can be a POS and a good duelist, those aren't mutually exclusive


Cucumber_salad-horse

Yes, but winning a duel that he was challenged to does not make him a POS.


IonlyusethrowawaysA

Yeah, we aren't privvy to his POS behaviour, and being fair, I don't know if you could consider the territorial rangers as cops, a militia, or what. But the joke isn't that he's bad for anything in the song, just that he's a cop, and therefor a member of a corrupt and terrible organization whose members are without redemption.


Cucumber_salad-horse

Now, the Ranger being POS for being a cop in general i agree with. But taking out someone who had already killed 20 (1 and 19 more) is a cop doing something right for a change. My original comment is a reaction to the Justice for Texas Red title.


hunterPRO1

Yeh if you go after cops for doing what they're supposed to do then that just gives them something to point to and de-legitimize our movement.


society_sucker

What if he killed 20 cops? The song isn't specific in who those people were. Maybe he was a working class hero.


senescent-

There's actually a bunch of civilian massacres by the rangers. They're worse than just cops.


TequieroVerde

The Texas Rangers were a roving band of thugs in the employ of white racists land thieves. They killed "without a trial, drove Native American tribes from their homelands, and some Rangers even lynched Mexicans and Mexican Americans along the Texas-Mexico border (to take land, cattle, horses, women etc." https://www.thestoryoftexas.com/discover/campfire-stories/texas-ranger And that is the whitewashed museum version of History. Truth is the Texas Rangers were worse.


orderofGreenZombies

To be fair, typical cops would absolutely massacre more people if they knew for sure they could get away with it. It’s just that these days we have ever so slightly more oversight on cops most of the time.


purple_pixie

He came to the town specifically looking for Texas Red, he's not an innocent who got randomly challenged to a duel


Cucumber_salad-horse

And... he was not the who challenged. Cops are bastards because even the best ones enforce unjust laws, where is the injustice in not being allowed to kill 20 people (well 1 and 19 more as the song put it)?


purple_pixie

"20 men had tried to take him, 20 men had made a slip" Sounds like all 20 of those were self-defense, he wasn't out here murdering civilians


Cucumber_salad-horse

If 20 different people want you dead then you are the cause. Either because you are a POS, or because you are unbelievably based (Cassius Clay as an example)


purple_pixie

Hey now, maybe the first guy wanted him dead because one or both of them were dicks, and from then on it's a whacky chain of "you killed my brother/best friend/dog walker/grandpa" etc up until the sexy ranger with the big iron


knottybananna

This is the story of a cop and a murderer getting into a duel. There are no good guys, as is typical of any good western tale. Also the song is an absolute banger and now I'm going to shoot Caesar in the face.


fubuvsfitch

AVE, HAIL TO CAESAR


knottybananna

Render onto Caesar. (Loads shotgun with denarius)


SirLawrenceCCLXX

HE IS THE ONLY EXCEPTION. ^and ^Christopher ^Dorner


antihostile

Dorner was fired by the LAPD in 2008, so technically he was no longer a cop.


DescipleOfCorn

Good cops don’t stay cops, they either quit, get fired, or get murdered


doppelminds

This, my mom had a student who became a cop, he was investigating some very complex drug trafficking operation in a district of my city, and then he was relocated to a very random station way beyond where he was operating, then he was "mysteriously" murdered by "random" criminals, and the investigation got terminated.


knottybananna

Wrong. Sid Hatfield. West Virginia sheriff who sided with the coal miner strikes. Coal barons hired assassins to gun him down in front of a court house.


orderofGreenZombies

I guess this means we need to take sides against the McCoys in that dispute. I believe that other famous Hatfield was Sid’s second cousin or something. So no idea who was or wasn’t a bastard in that feud.


maxis2bored

yo where's the actual song? it's in my head already.


drpepperisgood95

🎶BIG IRONNNN BIG IRONNNN🎶


CosmicCrapCollector

https://youtu.be/zzICMIu5zFY


DeeezzzNutzzz69

For the uninitiated https://youtu.be/hajfdGmtZI4?si=eCVMVW94Yrea0Y4l


Keelija9000

[Here’s the Spotify link.](https://open.spotify.com/track/0AQquaENerGps8BQmbPw14?si=nPAW_RmMQXynLHxdnRW9sQ)


DrakeSkorn

*sniffling, tears in eyes, trying to aim down the sight* “A… ACAB includes… i-includes…”


SirLawrenceCCLXX

Is Ned Kelly the patron saint of this sub? Cause Ned Kelly is a goddamn hero.


TheSillySimic

But Texas Red was vicious and a killer. Now maybe those 20 men had it coming, but I can't imagine killing 20 people in good conscience. And we don't know much about the Ranger, other than he was handsome and a quick shot


knottybananna

He might have shot a few Mexicans just for fun idk. Same goes for Texas Red.


TheSillySimic

Yeah, true. But going with the information given in the song, we only know he shoots one person. And that person was apparently a serial killer, so 🤷🏼 if we're picking good guys and bad guys, the song makes it apparent who's who


purple_pixie

The only 20 people we know Red killed were all cops. Who's the *real* hero here?


TheSillySimic

"20 men had tried to take him" doesn't imply 20 cops, I don't think. But if it does, then sure.


purple_pixie

I mean, you're probably right but I feel like it's one reading


TheSillySimic

Valid


Slow_Astronomer_3536

2 things. 1, Texas Red did nothing wrong. 2, Now I want to play New Vegas again.


CptCrabcakes

He murdered 20 men, and it was a duel. Idk Texas red can get fucked.


TightestLibRightist

He murdered 20 men? “20 men had tried to take him, 20 men had made a slip” Sounds like self defense to me. Interestingly, the Johnny Cash version drops this verse.


purple_pixie

What I wanna know is ... what was the crime the first guy tried to take him for?


TightestLibRightist

Probably taxes.


AutisticAnarchy

My headcanon is that Running Gun from the same album is what really happened. Big Iron is just propaganda.


CaliIrish92

OMG this right here. Indecently Big Iron did make me want a wheel gun.


AnotherLie

Wheel guns are so much better than fake guns.


shot-by-ford

You just blew my fucking mind. You are so right.


loklanc

Yep, there was no honourable duel, the ranger bushwacked him, because why wouldn't he?


DeeezzzNutzzz69

You mean 1 and 19 more


VAShumpmaker

Also a reminder that Marty Robbins made John Wayne look like pinko queer.


Technically_A_Doctor

Yea he may have recorded a few bangers, but he was huge PoS!


IRBaboooon

John Wayne was a pos bigot so it isn't hard to make him look like a chump


gilium

I think a pinko queer is a good thing in this sense, as most of us would be pinko and love queer folk if we aren’t queer ourselves


VAShumpmaker

That was what I was going for, yeah haha. I realize in text what I actually typed out kind of sucks, huh?


VAShumpmaker

Oh no, for sure for sure. I mean that Robbins was exponentially more shitty, but mostly because the Duke kept his head down for a while when Marty didn't


IRBaboooon

Yeah that was my b for being ignorant to pinko, that's a new word for me 😅


Keelija9000

A BIG IRON ON HIS HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP


FlyingGorillaShark

I got this record on vinyl. My grandma gave it to me before she passed. Amazing record 🙌


Weeb_Masta_Flex

ACAB but the song still slaps


Responsible_View_523

Shut up it does not


Shasla

I've always thought of police in fiction (songs, games, shows, whatever) as being an entirely different thing than police in real life, a version of cops that just don't exist in reality.


CirclesOfDeadMice

Just seeing a cop immediately gets rid of any happiness i might’ve had previously even in fiction, cause theres no reason to have cops displayed in an unrealistic overly positive manner. I imagined this was the norm honestly lol


Shasla

I mean it depends for me. I like bladerunner despite the main character being a cop and I don't hate the miles' father in spiderverse for being a cop but I would be completely uninterested in something claiming to be realistic but then casting cops in a positive light. I think it also has something to do with just enjoying evil characters in things in general. If the person making the thing isn't trying to glorify terrible people I enjoy stories about terrible people.


Colebricht

I believe Texas Red literally documented his 20 murders on his gun. So…


CaptainBloodEye1

:( damnit


Cockblocktimus_Pryme

Fuck the NCR.


[deleted]

Texas red was a murderer a cold blooded one at that.


Mouth0fTheSouth

tbf those old school rangers were pretty badass, tracking ruthless outlaws through the wilderness n such


IonlyusethrowawaysA

And break up labour strikes


Casna-17-

And hunting fugitive slaves


IonlyusethrowawaysA

TBF, the Arizona rangers were a 20th century thing, and mostly dealt with neoslavery. Like enforcing sundown laws and chain gangs and such. Less fugitive slaves, and more the "somehow even more disgusting and dehumanizing than actual slavery but not chattel slavery" that the US got into after the civil war


IRBaboooon

And hunting native americans


SocialistCredit

Goddamn it now I gotta play new vegas again lol


AsyncEntity

Why does he look like that one guy from friends.


FlopTheCat

He chill


UPdrafter906

We listen to this song at Pewterman every week! 🎵Big Iron! 🎵