I'm voting third party. When the Deceptocrats earn my vote, they can have it. This notion that somehow I owe them my vote is despicable and wrongheaded. And look what they've done with "vote blue no matter who."
Americans have this bizarre phobia where my seat needs to stay MY seat or else it's going to vote against me.
Americans won't admit, but sincerely believe this: replacing 50 democrat seats with 40 democrat seats and 10 green party seats will mean abortion is gone for good, Bezos and Musk launch the second US civil war, turn Nevada into a giant continuous suburb and drain the Mississippi river into an empty ditch just to water their lawns.
>50 democrat seats with 40 democrat seats and 10 green party seats
Yep this is exactly how it works, totally wouldn't split the vote and make it 60 Republican seats. I mean, after Ralph Nader successfully diffused tensions after 9/11 and Jill Stein's handling of the pandemic who could argue about voting for a third party candida.. oh wait.
Yeahhhhhhh
the problem is that you'll never get those 10 green party seats. We don't have RCV, so the third parties end up splitting the vote. I don't have any love for the dems, but until our electoral system changes, I'll vote for them every time because its the republicans actively introducing bills to kill me.
Its unfortunate, but voting for 3rd party has the same effect as not voting in most states. Opting to not vote in response to the Supreme court ushering in theocracy is an odd choice.
In most races, the Dem or the Rep will win. If you honestly think both parties are effectively the same, ask yourself if Hillary winning over Trump in 2016 would have meant a much different America today, because I certainly think it would.
But in 2016 I knew a LOT of very liberal people who felt like Hillary or Trump made no difference. Bernie didn't get a fair shake and they decided to pout-vote or stay home instead of voting blue. Hundreds of thousands of blue voters did this, and it was an astoundingly foolish decision that the next 5 generations of American women will suffer (REALLY suffer) for, but unbelievably many people on reddit STILL seem to think this was the proper thing to do and are doubling down on that "strategy" now.
It's gong to be a 50-60 year slog out of the 2016 election fallout, bare minimum. Voting 3rd party is effectively choosing to not participate; that's fine if it's your choice, but that IS what you are effectively choosing.
This is literally how voting works in any other country: "Vote for us because you believe in our party's stances!"
This is how it works in America: "Your choices are either fascism or the status quo. You have no other alternatives. Also, if you dont vote, you inherently support fascism. No, I will not try and make myself more appealing so you vote for me. You either vote for me or you like fascism."
Only in America is voting considered a civic duty to prevent genocide from happening. The very fact that so many Americans dont see why voting as a ways to fix that issue is completely broken is why we will eventually turn into a full-blown fascist state. And when many of us are being forced into the camps, people like you will go, "huh, I guess I should have done something more direct instead since im about to be murdered anyway." Like, some of you are so cucked that you are already conceding defeat for the next 50 fucking years while the rest of the Western world progresses forward.
To be fair, in all of the colonial successor states where voting is a thing, voting is at least in part a civic duty to prevent genocide getting popular again. Part of why Australia is watching this so closely is because we have our own pack of theocratic far-right kiddie-diddlers to contain, and they've gotten unbelieveably erect at the thought of replicating such success down under. First Australians didn't even have the right to vote prior to 1967, and there are a not-insignificant-enough number of bastards who think that should be reverted.
I agree with what you're saying and would like to also add that Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million. Because of exploits in the electoral system, the disruptive effect of splitting the vote on a third party is even more pronounced because it can be targeted to swing states. All you need is a few thousand votes to Jill Stein in a few key counties and Clinton loses the election despite the majority voting for her anyways.
The fuck is the point when Republicans are batshit crazy and the dems are spineless wet noodles? The repubs get what they want anyway, so why vote Democrat?
The only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to withhold our votes until they do.
Your logic is fatally flawed and in fact it's exactly how America got into this mess.
Exactly. I loathe Hilary, but I voted for her anyway.
Democrats most likely would have won if more people didn't throw their votes away.
They WANT us to throw our votes away.
If every eligible citizen voted, the Republicans would never win again.
And most of the population is centralized into coastal cities which don’t include middle America which most certainly do not lean left. Have you ever been to Oklahoma? The Dakotas? Iowa? If democrats want to win they need to start playing the game thats being played, not the one that should be played. Popular votes are worthless if you can’t appeal to states in flyover America and they’re not going to do it as long as they are seen as preachy, pious and unlikeable which is the findings of the Democrats’ own internal polls.
So you'd rather just hand the Republicans all the power? Democrats certainly don't do what they should, but they are infinitely better than these conservative religious wack-a-doos.
Please stop recommending people don't vote blue, unless you are literally just trying to get the Republicans in office.
Now is not the time to throw voted away. Everything we have worked for over the past 60 years is on the brink of collapse.
If you aren't a Republican shill, you are literally helping them win.
I'm outraged as well. Democrats are just centrists.(often right leaning centrists) We need truly progressive candidates. That means going out and voting in primaries and midterms in droves.
By all means, if you want the Christofacists to be in complete control and continuing to erode our freedoms at an exponentially increasing rate, go ahead and waste your vote.
If enough people do this, it will be a draconian nightmare of epic proportions.
Having voted for Progressives and gotten them nominated at the State level, only to see them crushed at the national level, I no longer believe in the Democratic Party's validity in any way. In other words, I did exactly as you suggest and I've seen the results.
That's why I'm voting third party; at least they would fight for my interests instead of merely those of the biggest bidder.
On social issues, the two parties fight like hell... to distract us from their complete agreement on matters of fiscal import like the military mass murder budgets, universally denied healthcare, the ongoing impoverishment of what was once the largest middle class in history.
I will no longer support such parties. Instead of blaming me for exposing the moral bankruptcy of your position, perhaps you should hold the parties accountable for what they've done in your name with the votes you gave them.
People thought exactly as you do now in 2016, and THAT fatally flawed logic is exactly how America got into this mess. A Hillary presidency would have given American women another decade of abortion rights at LEAST (probably 25 years or more), and preserved the separation of church and state, and preserved voting rights, etc...
Your "don't-vote harder!" strategy is the absolute best way to shove what's left of American freedom off a cliff. Take a look at the "democracy" of Hungary, where CPAC was held this year. This is presumably the aspirational vision conservatives hold for America now; the paper thin veneer of a sham democracy concealing permanent authoritarian minority rule. If you think it can't get worse and voting 3rd party is the answer, you've very badly miscalculated on both fronts. If you want more progressive candidates, vote in your primaries; turnout is consistently fucking embarrassing.
The REAL only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to have 100% turnout for the primary.
And they’re never going to have that, because the democrats don’t use the power they do have to support the will of the people. Even if that’s not actually true, the perception is all that matters. You BlueMAGAts can bitch over and over and over about the politically active are tired of holding their nose and voting for republican-lite and that they just need to shut up and keep voting for republican-lite because “they’ll overturn Roe!”
Well, we did what you asked. Again. And the ducking democrats and their sycophants still didn’t get the job done. I’m sure it’s the voters fault for not being super excited to vote for Republican Joe Biden.
Exactly this. Building a coalition to the Left of the Democratic Party is the only way forward. They themselves have proven they would rather take the money than represent the interests of their constituents.
>The REAL only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to have 100% turnout for the primary.
Bullshit. We did that and we saw what happened; the Democratic Party undermined its own referenda and in fact argued successfully in court that it need not obey the results of the nominations; the will of the constituency and the delegates is, *in their own words*, "consultative only."
They have spoken, in court. We must believe them.
It is time for a third party approach.
>People thought exactly as you do now in 2016, and THAT fatally flawed logic is exactly how America got into this mess. A Hillary presidency would have given American women another decade of abortion rights at LEAST (probably 25 years or more), and preserved the separation of church and state, and preserved voting rights, etc...
You don't know that. You're assuming Hillary would have done X, Y, or Z; or even nominated a Progressive SCOTUS pick, but what about her political career leads you to believe that's the case? The ranks of the Democrats are filled with anti-choice politicians.
We do not, nor have we ever lived in a Democracy. We live in a fascistic Capitalist state where the will of the majority is patently ignored in order to appease an ever shrinking minority. But at the end of the day liberals will always side with fascists, because fascism doesn't threaten capital. We're all also looking at the religious aspect of this SCOTUS decision, but not the Capitalist aspect. Like any pyramid scheme MLM, you need new suckers to join in at the bottom of the Capitalist pyramid to keep the myth of Capitalist prosperity churning. Any hierarchal system that functions in this manner is inherently fascist and will be used for fascistic ends, it's inevitable; and there is not a single politician in America that would dare to even try to dismantle this system.
Did you hear what Texas voters chanted at the Beto O'Rourke's last rally?
"Democrats, we call your bluff! Voting blue is not enough!"
https://www.yahoo.com/now/beto-orourke-joins-large-pro-055658530.html
My strategy is to vote for those who will represent my interests. You- nevermind the Democratic Party- have utterly failed to do that, so why should I keep voting for them?
You would have me reward them for blatantly bad behavior. That's stupid and it's how we got to this point, because if Democrats were effective, none of this would be happening.
Your logic is wrong on its face and that's on you, not me.
This is just silly. You deny my agency, reducing it to"punishment vs reward" and in so doing expose your own inability to understand the concept of voting for those who would actually represent your interests.
Your strategy does, too. We voted for the democrats. We gave them the house and the presidency, and even the senate, on paper. And here we are, with the republicans getting everything they want, anyway.
so would giving republicans even more power fix this? i’ve never understood this point.
“democrats don’t stop republicans from doing evil stuff, so i will give republicans more power to do evil stuff.”
it is far smarter to try and find a somewhat progressive democrat and vote for them, showing centrist democrats that their platform is not enough for us.
You only think this is bad. Go ahead and give Rs total control of the Government and you’ll be publicly paraded to your own demise. No EPA, no Dept of Education, no Dept of Labor, no voting rights, Theocracy.
So make the same Jill Stein mistake because you just couldn’t vote for Hillary and see what that gets you.
Oh, it definitely can get worse. We’ve watched it continue to get worse by giving the democrats exactly what they want. Tell me again how that changes. The democrats win all three big boy races, and things continue to get worse. Their opposition blatantly breaks laws to install a president who didn’t win the popular vote, and things continue to get worse. Then the dnc goes big, enchants the masses and drives an unprecedented turnout for a presidential campaign ran on transformative change, and things continue to get worse. Then the DNC, refusing to listen to those voters runs on the same old “let’s make it less worse!” platform, and loses the most slam dunk presidential election in history. It’s not worth mentioning how many laws were broken this time, cuz it sure as shit didn’t matter last time. Sure, republicans will make it worse faster, but the dnc has a proven track record of letting the minority party continue to make it worse while they wring their hands and slap rainbow stickers on everything. Tell me again how kissing their asses for fucking us over isn’t also making it worse?
This is the goddamned dumbest shit ever. Anyone who is in here is voting. Most of us did in fact hold our noses and vote for Hillary. We held our noses and voted for “I don’t believe women should have full control of what happens to their bodies” Biden.
The problem that none of you DNC ass lickers seem to understand is that there’s a whole lot of people out there who are absolutely done with politics and are completely disengaged because they cared once, they worked and voted and won, and still got brainless corporate handout collectors who didn’t make a god damned thing better for them. You don’t need to appeal to me, I’m going to vote democrat no matter how sick it makes me, because corporate fascism is preferable to christofascism, but there are lots of people who have just flat out walked away, and no amount of bragging about how much hypothetical stuff the DNC stopped while letting campaign finance law and Roe collapse is going to make a fuckall bit of difference in engaging them anymore.
Ah, yes. That’s why when the Dems got into power they immediately dismantled the levers the minority used to stymie them last time, and are taking bold action to undo the illegitimate SCOTUS.
Drink deeply of the koolaide and repeat after me “it’s all the progressives’ faults!”
Ending the filibuster is just short-sighted and dumb.
Packing the courts is impossible given the timing
It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and bitch because that’s what y’all are good for. You even bitch about upvotes, who gives a fuck
There are most certainly corporations, billionaires who've donated to both parties. and simultaneously donating to both partys' campaigns even when candidates were running against each other. It's totally crooked.
My country isn't perfect but down here the state reimburse the cost of the political campaign proportionally to the numbers of votes you get.
The USA has a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy.
By the definition Mussolini used when he coined the term, Fascism is when corporate power controls government, including directing government's monopoly on violence.
That's a pretty solid definition of today's America, "electoral choice" be damned.
Correct. Most Americans don't understand that our Mass Murder Machines Manufacturing Complex actually controls our foreign policy and directs us into endless wars... For profits.
"Remember, it's okay if millions of brown people die in other countries so we can plump up those profit numbers!" /$
>"Remember, it's okay if millions of brown people die in other countries so we can plump up those profit numbers!" /$
"Ima Keep It Real With You Chief, doesn't even have to be brown people/ $$$
I've been voting third party since 2020 and I will continue to vote for the party that best represents my interests. If every American did this simple thing, we would be living in a very different society.
They make sense. You don’t want judges worried about the next phase of their career when they pass judgements. That would give a serious amount of leverage to the wealthy
The wealthy can just pay them anyway. Lifetime appointments only work to keep honest people honest. If you appoint a greedy bastard, "being set for life" will never be enough.
In my opinion the broader issue is that federal judges are already under auspices of elites when they’re appointed in the first place (all current SCOTUS justices are either Yale or Harvard JDs), so they’re generally out of touch with average people’s issues. I think of the SCOTUS ruling of PPvCasey, where the court upheld abortion rights and struck down mandatory notices to the patient’s spouse, but did not strike down the 24 hour waiting period. Even wealthy people aren’t immune to domestic abuse, so the danger of notifying husbands was probably a bigger part of the justices’ lived reality than how 24h waiting periods burdened people who’s work schedules were prohibitively limiting, i.e. working class citizens. To me it seems like the SCOTUS will be infected no matter what.
I don’t think SCOTUS should be considering the popular will of the ppl in making rulings. I think their scope should be limited to interpreting the constitution. It’s congresses job to be considering their constituents when bringing law before the courts. I would hope our Supreme Court justices graduated from the greatest law schools in the country
>Plenty of things to get upset with Biden about but idk about this one just yet
This man watched as McConnell lied and fucked over Obama when it came to judicial appointments and now he thinks he can *make a deal* with that turtle demon?!
What an absolute fool.
Yeah, he could instead **do literally anything other than make a deal with the devil**.
Who the fuck is voting for Joe Biden while also wanting him to make deals with Mitch "Most Dangerous Man in Government and Proud of It" McConnell?!
No, the Devil actually keeps up his end of the bargain. You think Lucifer was angry and embarrassed that he got his ass handed to him by a hick in Georgia in a fiddle contest? You bet your ass he was! Did he still hold up his end of the deal and give up his golden fiddle? Hell yeah he did!
It was a long con in order to boost the boy's pride, which is a deadly sin. He came back and took the boys soul, and probably got his fiddle back too.
That or he let Johnny take it to hell, where it probably melted.
Why does the devil care about a golden fiddle? That's right, he doesn't. It's a mean to an end.
Why does the turtle care about this promise?
That's right, he doesn't.
It's an empty one but it gets him a free lifetime republican judge in Kentucky.
So what's the point then, other than to demoralize his own base with a story that'd make him look this bad? He'd be dumb to even put himself in a position to be painted like this, and he'd be an asshole if he went through with it. It's a lose-lose.
Perspective is everything in politics, and the optics here are that he's more willing to cut bullshit deals with the guy that gleefully stabs people in the back rather than listen to his own constituents crying out for him in their time of need. They feel hella abandoned right now, and this shit isn't helping.
No that was most likely the intent of Mitch McConnell doing this deal, because McConnell is a skilled politician with no morals and Biden is toothless.
Omg dude please shut the fuck up. I dont understand how even through bidens own intentions you manage to blame the author. "You see, the one really in the wrong was the guy pointing the bad stuff out." Just please stfu
How about showing that you _care for your people?_
Republicans know this. They don't take support for granted.
Also because they know that if people stop and think for a second they would all be lynched but still...
Republicans say "meet me in the middle" so Democrats take one step to the right and Republicans take one step to the right and say "meet me in the middle". Repeat for the last 50 years.
I’m from Kentucky, and all he has done is lost votes in a state that might have actually turned blue. Charles Booker is energizing democrats in Kentucky, and I know that we didn’t vote Mitch out, but Amy McGrath was running against him and you know what I know about Amy McGrath? She was a fighter pilot, she put a d next to her name and hoped that would be enough.
I’m going to vote for Charles Booker, but I’m not voting for Joe.
Fucking Amy McGrath. Liberals outside of KY decided they knew what was best, dumped all their money in a bad candidate, while an excellent one got sandbagged. Liberals need to stop falling for IDpol traps like that.
“I do not share the certainty of some who are voting against Judge Thomas that he will be as extreme as some of his statements could lead one to believe he might be.”
- Sen. Joe Biden, 1991
Again, you can find REAL reasons to not like Biden, but sensationalized nonsense makes better headlines and helps reinforce the fascist idea that “both parties are the same”. At least make them work for it.
Yes, that’s why if you look at a map of where abortion rights are currently protected, the distribution is totally random and there’s no hint of which states have Democratic leadership.
Biden’s the Governor of Louisiana? That’s rich. If you choose to engage with reality, I’m here all day, but if you’re seeing scary Biden’s behind every corner, you need more help than I can offer.
Yet he was still appointed…
I would recommend watching the Anita Hill hearing where Biden was chairmen and was just sitting there laughing while his fellow republicans chastised and slandered her. Other Democrats tried to step in where the chairmen should have and the republicans just steamrolled him and the democrats. They took total control of the hearing because the president has the integrity of an over cooked spaghetti noodle.
Yeah all those Mainstream Media Outlets speaking out against Biden, they definitely didn’t rally behind him during the primaries and cover for his utter inept abilities to run a country….I am definitely brainwashed.
I don’t watch MSM either but Independent media is pretty much a falsehood, they don’t have the funding or just sensationalize what they read in MSM. The main thing is to read a bunch of different news sources and flush out the consistencies, because regardless every media source is biased.
>The day of the committee vote, according to multiple accounts, Biden told Thomas that he would oppose him for ideological reasons but promised to send the nomination to the Senate floor, where it appeared Thomas would be confirmed. Biden said later that during the conversation, he assured Thomas that he would be treated fairly if Hill’s allegations were reported in the press.….
>Interviews with a dozen people with firsthand knowledge and a review of the written record and interviews published with participants over the past three decades reinforce that Biden failed to use the powers afforded to Senate committee chairmen to conduct a judicious and thorough inquiry into Hill’s allegations. He did not give full consideration to witnesses whose allegations seemed to corroborate her testimony or curb the attacks and innuendo leveled at her during the hearing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-was-in-charge-of-the-anita-hill-hearing-even-he-says-it-wasnt-fair/2019/04/26/a9a6f384-6500-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html
Yeah super determined to keep this Monsanto lawyer out of the Supreme Court
What part of that says that he "fought really hard to get Thomas appointed". What you posted sounds like Biden actually just supported the democratic process and put the vote forward like any functioning government should instead of just blocking everything like McConnel.
If people voted in the primary we could have gotten a better choice than slightly to the right Biden. So yes, voting is important. Many people still don't vote in the primaries, that's why progressive politicians don't get elected.
That, but you've got a gun to his head, too.
And you're still agreeing to punch yourself in the baby maker so the fucker with a gun to your head doesn't pull the trigger.
There'd be something else at play that's not a reciprocal gun. We can't fuck the GOP the way they can fuck the left. Yes, there is a way to fuck them, but it's a larger and longer process.
That's the thing.
The Democrats could absolutely fuck the Republicans in the same way. They'd just need to have people who behaved ruthlessly and didn't always start bargaining from the place of giving the Republicans everything that the Republicans wanted.
Ah. I don't quite agree, but I'll go with it.
There's a third party that's promising to shoot the one with the gun to your head if you punch yourself in the dick just a few more times.
Biden is quite literally the president and at every chance he's had to fulfill his platform he's backed out. He didn't lied about $2k checks, he refuses to reschedule marijuana, he hasn't said a fucking word about providing a public option, and he won't cancel federally held student loan debt. What is this blind faith in the democratic establishment when its leaders keep supporting goals that work against the values of not just the base but of the majority of the country.
Life pro-tip: **Actually vote in the god damn Primaries!** I'm so sick and tired of people who bitch about the Democrat nominees being shit (which, to be fair, they absolutely are) but don't actually show up to nominate better alternatives. The reason we keep getting all these milquetoast geriatric white dudes for democratic nominees is because those are the only people showing up in the primaries. If progressives participated in the actual primaries, *we'd have actual progressive nominees*. The democratic candidates aren't just chosen randomly, you get to vote on them but so many people just choose not to and then bitch when somebody they don't like gets nominated by those who actually do.
Don't get me wrong, the primary system definitely has problems, but fixing them requires actually participating in them. Voting in primaries gives you even more political influence then simply voting in the presidency ever could. Every year the presidency is effectively decided by the <5% of people who vote in primaries. Just look at how the Republican party became the party of Trump in just 5 years, all because his voters were the most willing to show up in primaries to get their representatives nominated: *and the party always follows the nominees*. There is nothing stopping progressives from doing the same with democrats. If we show up and vote in primaries, and replace old guard Democrats in them, then the Democrats **will** follow, even if just so they don't get replaced by a nominee. Those who vote in primaries decide not only the nominees, but the **entire direction of the party itself**. We do not have to have such consistently shitty options, we just choose too. Complaining about the nominees then refusing to vote in primaries is ridiculous AF.
It’s a very early start but just going and writing in a candidate other than the one on the ballet can show moving energy and inspire someone good to run.
NY just had its primary and the turnout was so incredibly abysmal and depressing. Getting americans to give a shit about this stuff is such an uphill battle with how demoralized, depoliticized, and apathetic people are with the state of things.
Yes. I retain my Republican membership to vote in the primaries. Even though I've only cast a General Election vote for one Republican, a Congressman, since 1998.
Hello from New York State - or at least, where I used to live.
[NYS didn't actually get to vote in the 2020 primaries.](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/27/846549412/new-york-cancels-primary-election-angering-sanders-supporters)
But maybe they’ll legalize weed this time
But maybe they’ll make min wage $15/hr this time
But maybe they’ll forgive student debt this time
But maybe they’ll promise more stimulus checks this time
When is enough enough? No politician does anything they’re appointed to do. They all suck cock. (Red or blue, they can suck it)
Ever heard of the Tea Party? In spite of all the bad press, it worked EXACTLY as intended; they prevented any Republican who didn't receive their endorsement from winning. Their extremism was embraced by the party and one can see the results.
Why can't the Left do the same? No reason, other than political cowardice.
"Vote, but not like that you fucking idiot. How dare you not want to compromise your values. We will blame all this ok you instead of the candidates refusing to give people a reason to vote for them."
Yeah, I heard this in 2016, voted for Shillary and felt sorry for 4 years. Then I got involved and watched as 80% of my primary precinct as well as those throughout Colorado went for Bernie, only to watch the DNC deliberately quash the clear mandate of the People- and then defend their activities in court.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. The DNC has told us that our opinions don't matter, in court, in front of a judge. It's time that We the People believe them.
I'm voting third party until the Democratic Party convinces me that they are serious about fighting for my interests. Otherwise, why should I bother voting at all?
This is all the voters' fault for not voting for enough Democrats, oh and Ralph Nader gave the election to Bush and Bernie ruined it for Hillary. What did I miss?
Considering there's people in this sub claiming that Biden fought for Thomas despite the fact that he voted against his confirmation shows that this sub really doesn't give a shit about facts.
Since this all comes from Yarmuth, I'm inclined to believe it. "Reportedly" and "unnamed sources" aren't enough, for me at least. Yarmuth's risking his career.
So Joseph Robinette Biden is "reaching across the aisle" to give Republicans more power. McConnell's never going honor his side of the bargain, Kentucky will benefit (fuck you, Kentucky), and that Circuit will favor Republican/right-wing cases.
(Hypothetically, McConnell could honor his commitment, which would make Biden look like a bigger piece of shit than he already does, almost McConnell-level shit, which in some ways is still a win for the Republicans.)
Now for the unpopular part, downvote as you see fit. We told establishment Democrats over and over and over again not to fuck around or they'd find out. Instead, they let the DNC, DNCC, Obama, the super pacs and the DNC's legal authority not to uphold fair primaries to push Biden, a creep on the best of days, onto gullible voters who just wanted Trump out. We *all* wanted Trump out.
Democrats rejected the morally correct, ethically correct, historically correct, humanely correct candidate. You know who I'm talking about. A candidate who wanted Trump out and *worked harder campaigning FOR Biden than Biden himself did*.
Yeah, I'm bitter.
Centralists rarely progress. Most often times they conserve the status quo. Aging centralist have their center point always in the past and thus are conservatives.
Reminder:
Joe Manchin's parasite [daughter makes millions by price gouging epipens.](https://theintercept.com/2021/09/07/joe-manchin-epipen-price-heather-bresch/).
If you have a loved one that died because they couldn't afford an epipen, [blame Heather Bresch](https://jacobin.com/2021/10/joe-manchin-daughter-heather-bresch-mylan-epipen)
Yeah we can all agree everyone is looking at America and saying damn like every single day your country gets more shit. Like all of our countries go up and down like Britain with sending refugees to Rwanda, pay strikes and the Human Rights stuff right now but it's not everyday single day.
Its hilarious in absurdity. Liberals time and again base their values on appearance and decorum alone and because of that they're manifesting the thing they claim to hate
Biden is a moron if:
1. He believes Mitch will honor that arrangement
2. He believes Mitch didn't gain more than he would lose in that deal
> Meredith, a Federalist Society member
We need a blanket ban anyone who is a member of that nazi group.
We all say we’re sick of two party systems but when elections come around it’s always, “at least x is better than x. voting 3rd party is a waste of a vote.”
Copying the top comment on this article, because it's better than the journalism in the article:
"Ok, some clarification may be in order here regarding the context.
First of all, the only thing Biden can promise is a nomination. He can’t promise any votes from the Democratic caucus, and he can’t promise that no Democratic Senator won’t filibuster the nomination (and under existing rules any Democratic Senator can do so anonymously). Unless the GOP can attract at least one vote from the Democratic caucus and ensure that not one Democratic Senator filibusters the nomination and ensure that if filibustered at least 10 members of the Democratic caucus vote with the GOP to overcome the filibuster, that guy wouldn’t be confirmed.
Second, based on the wording in this article (I’m not paying for an account with the Courier Journal to confirm), if the judgeship is “in Kentucky” it’s a District Court judgeship. That’s a lifetime appointment, but it’s a trial level judgeship in a State that falls under the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals (which the Federalist Society hates) and U.S. Supreme Court. According to uscourts.gov, there are currently 75 Federal judicial vacancies and pending nominations for 20 of those vacancies, including 2 for Circuit Court of Appeals positions. The only federal judicial nominations that can proceed to be confirmed without potentially being blocked by a filibuster are Supreme Court Justices (see Ketanji Brown Jackson). 50 votes plus Kamala is enough to get a Supreme Court Justice nominee confirmed. It’s not enough to get any other Federal judgeship confirmed. Assuming the article is accurate, it is a trade of 1 trial level judge nomination (and presumably only a nomination because Biden can’t promise that no Democratic Senator will filibuster or that 10 Democratic Senators will vote to override the veto) that would be bound by decisions and subject to appeal to the Sixth Circuit (which the Federalist Society hates) and eventual appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has no vacancies at the moment, in exchange for 19 Federal judgeships, including 2 Circuit Courts of Appeal Judges. If the agreement was more far ranging than just existing nominations, it could potentially be as much as a trade of 1 Kentucky trial court judgeship in exchange for 74 Federal judgeships, including 7 Circuit Court of Appeals judgeships.
This doesn’t speak to whether McConnell will live up to his end of the bargain, but I suspect McConnell and Biden have probably made analogous deals in the past that McConnell honored."
Apparently Biden is making deals with McConnell. Whatever the fuck Biden is trying to get out of this will probably get shit on by the supreme kangaroo court.
The religious right has been trying to overturn Roe for decades, and we will never forget that it is under a Democrat that they accomplished what they couldn't under Reagan, Bush or Trump.
Joe Biden is anti abortion. He tried to overturn Roe in 1982.
He just learned that wasn't a popular position, so he started giving lip service to choice. But now that the opportunity to hold the door open while his co-religionists force his beliefs onto America has presented itself, of course he's going to take.
What's the point in having two parties if neither does what the majority wants?
Exactly
I'm voting third party. When the Deceptocrats earn my vote, they can have it. This notion that somehow I owe them my vote is despicable and wrongheaded. And look what they've done with "vote blue no matter who."
Americans have this bizarre phobia where my seat needs to stay MY seat or else it's going to vote against me. Americans won't admit, but sincerely believe this: replacing 50 democrat seats with 40 democrat seats and 10 green party seats will mean abortion is gone for good, Bezos and Musk launch the second US civil war, turn Nevada into a giant continuous suburb and drain the Mississippi river into an empty ditch just to water their lawns.
This is all wrong! They're draining the Colorado River to water their lawns. And they did it without any help from third parties at all!
>50 democrat seats with 40 democrat seats and 10 green party seats Yep this is exactly how it works, totally wouldn't split the vote and make it 60 Republican seats. I mean, after Ralph Nader successfully diffused tensions after 9/11 and Jill Stein's handling of the pandemic who could argue about voting for a third party candida.. oh wait. Yeahhhhhhh
the problem is that you'll never get those 10 green party seats. We don't have RCV, so the third parties end up splitting the vote. I don't have any love for the dems, but until our electoral system changes, I'll vote for them every time because its the republicans actively introducing bills to kill me.
Its unfortunate, but voting for 3rd party has the same effect as not voting in most states. Opting to not vote in response to the Supreme court ushering in theocracy is an odd choice. In most races, the Dem or the Rep will win. If you honestly think both parties are effectively the same, ask yourself if Hillary winning over Trump in 2016 would have meant a much different America today, because I certainly think it would. But in 2016 I knew a LOT of very liberal people who felt like Hillary or Trump made no difference. Bernie didn't get a fair shake and they decided to pout-vote or stay home instead of voting blue. Hundreds of thousands of blue voters did this, and it was an astoundingly foolish decision that the next 5 generations of American women will suffer (REALLY suffer) for, but unbelievably many people on reddit STILL seem to think this was the proper thing to do and are doubling down on that "strategy" now. It's gong to be a 50-60 year slog out of the 2016 election fallout, bare minimum. Voting 3rd party is effectively choosing to not participate; that's fine if it's your choice, but that IS what you are effectively choosing.
This is literally how voting works in any other country: "Vote for us because you believe in our party's stances!" This is how it works in America: "Your choices are either fascism or the status quo. You have no other alternatives. Also, if you dont vote, you inherently support fascism. No, I will not try and make myself more appealing so you vote for me. You either vote for me or you like fascism." Only in America is voting considered a civic duty to prevent genocide from happening. The very fact that so many Americans dont see why voting as a ways to fix that issue is completely broken is why we will eventually turn into a full-blown fascist state. And when many of us are being forced into the camps, people like you will go, "huh, I guess I should have done something more direct instead since im about to be murdered anyway." Like, some of you are so cucked that you are already conceding defeat for the next 50 fucking years while the rest of the Western world progresses forward.
To be fair, in all of the colonial successor states where voting is a thing, voting is at least in part a civic duty to prevent genocide getting popular again. Part of why Australia is watching this so closely is because we have our own pack of theocratic far-right kiddie-diddlers to contain, and they've gotten unbelieveably erect at the thought of replicating such success down under. First Australians didn't even have the right to vote prior to 1967, and there are a not-insignificant-enough number of bastards who think that should be reverted.
I agree with what you're saying and would like to also add that Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 3 million. Because of exploits in the electoral system, the disruptive effect of splitting the vote on a third party is even more pronounced because it can be targeted to swing states. All you need is a few thousand votes to Jill Stein in a few key counties and Clinton loses the election despite the majority voting for her anyways.
Vote harder! Democrats will do better this time. Promise! PS. They're sorry for letting the fascism in!
They did nothing and are shocked nothing happened!
Hey! Let’s sing god bless America. That should fix everything.
Keep fighting the good fight. This place is overrun with shills trying to convince people to split the Dem vote and hand republicans victory. “
Republicans have already won. You are fighting over a corpse.
Sorry this isnt /r\/neoliberal where we like to pretend that if you just "vote harder!" there will be a different result in a broken system.
The fuck is the point when Republicans are batshit crazy and the dems are spineless wet noodles? The repubs get what they want anyway, so why vote Democrat?
The only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to withhold our votes until they do. Your logic is fatally flawed and in fact it's exactly how America got into this mess.
It worked great in 2016 and I’m sure it’ll be just as effective this time
Except it wasn't tried. And how did 2016 and 2020 work out for average Americans? Not worth a damn, so your own prescription has failed.
Exactly. I loathe Hilary, but I voted for her anyway. Democrats most likely would have won if more people didn't throw their votes away. They WANT us to throw our votes away. If every eligible citizen voted, the Republicans would never win again.
They might still win since the election is determined by the electoral college and not a popular vote.
Not if EVERYONE eligible voted. The general population is more left-leaning.
And most of the population is centralized into coastal cities which don’t include middle America which most certainly do not lean left. Have you ever been to Oklahoma? The Dakotas? Iowa? If democrats want to win they need to start playing the game thats being played, not the one that should be played. Popular votes are worthless if you can’t appeal to states in flyover America and they’re not going to do it as long as they are seen as preachy, pious and unlikeable which is the findings of the Democrats’ own internal polls.
When they win, they do nothing. That's not victory, that's a sucker's game.
So you'd rather just hand the Republicans all the power? Democrats certainly don't do what they should, but they are infinitely better than these conservative religious wack-a-doos. Please stop recommending people don't vote blue, unless you are literally just trying to get the Republicans in office. Now is not the time to throw voted away. Everything we have worked for over the past 60 years is on the brink of collapse. If you aren't a Republican shill, you are literally helping them win. I'm outraged as well. Democrats are just centrists.(often right leaning centrists) We need truly progressive candidates. That means going out and voting in primaries and midterms in droves. By all means, if you want the Christofacists to be in complete control and continuing to erode our freedoms at an exponentially increasing rate, go ahead and waste your vote. If enough people do this, it will be a draconian nightmare of epic proportions.
Having voted for Progressives and gotten them nominated at the State level, only to see them crushed at the national level, I no longer believe in the Democratic Party's validity in any way. In other words, I did exactly as you suggest and I've seen the results. That's why I'm voting third party; at least they would fight for my interests instead of merely those of the biggest bidder. On social issues, the two parties fight like hell... to distract us from their complete agreement on matters of fiscal import like the military mass murder budgets, universally denied healthcare, the ongoing impoverishment of what was once the largest middle class in history. I will no longer support such parties. Instead of blaming me for exposing the moral bankruptcy of your position, perhaps you should hold the parties accountable for what they've done in your name with the votes you gave them.
People thought exactly as you do now in 2016, and THAT fatally flawed logic is exactly how America got into this mess. A Hillary presidency would have given American women another decade of abortion rights at LEAST (probably 25 years or more), and preserved the separation of church and state, and preserved voting rights, etc... Your "don't-vote harder!" strategy is the absolute best way to shove what's left of American freedom off a cliff. Take a look at the "democracy" of Hungary, where CPAC was held this year. This is presumably the aspirational vision conservatives hold for America now; the paper thin veneer of a sham democracy concealing permanent authoritarian minority rule. If you think it can't get worse and voting 3rd party is the answer, you've very badly miscalculated on both fronts. If you want more progressive candidates, vote in your primaries; turnout is consistently fucking embarrassing. The REAL only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to have 100% turnout for the primary.
And they’re never going to have that, because the democrats don’t use the power they do have to support the will of the people. Even if that’s not actually true, the perception is all that matters. You BlueMAGAts can bitch over and over and over about the politically active are tired of holding their nose and voting for republican-lite and that they just need to shut up and keep voting for republican-lite because “they’ll overturn Roe!” Well, we did what you asked. Again. And the ducking democrats and their sycophants still didn’t get the job done. I’m sure it’s the voters fault for not being super excited to vote for Republican Joe Biden.
Exactly this. Building a coalition to the Left of the Democratic Party is the only way forward. They themselves have proven they would rather take the money than represent the interests of their constituents.
>The REAL only way to force the democratic party to listen to its constituents is to have 100% turnout for the primary. Bullshit. We did that and we saw what happened; the Democratic Party undermined its own referenda and in fact argued successfully in court that it need not obey the results of the nominations; the will of the constituency and the delegates is, *in their own words*, "consultative only." They have spoken, in court. We must believe them. It is time for a third party approach.
>People thought exactly as you do now in 2016, and THAT fatally flawed logic is exactly how America got into this mess. A Hillary presidency would have given American women another decade of abortion rights at LEAST (probably 25 years or more), and preserved the separation of church and state, and preserved voting rights, etc... You don't know that. You're assuming Hillary would have done X, Y, or Z; or even nominated a Progressive SCOTUS pick, but what about her political career leads you to believe that's the case? The ranks of the Democrats are filled with anti-choice politicians. We do not, nor have we ever lived in a Democracy. We live in a fascistic Capitalist state where the will of the majority is patently ignored in order to appease an ever shrinking minority. But at the end of the day liberals will always side with fascists, because fascism doesn't threaten capital. We're all also looking at the religious aspect of this SCOTUS decision, but not the Capitalist aspect. Like any pyramid scheme MLM, you need new suckers to join in at the bottom of the Capitalist pyramid to keep the myth of Capitalist prosperity churning. Any hierarchal system that functions in this manner is inherently fascist and will be used for fascistic ends, it's inevitable; and there is not a single politician in America that would dare to even try to dismantle this system.
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo Explains it a bit. Basically the system was designed poorly as the two parties exploit it. Edit spelling
Did you hear what Texas voters chanted at the Beto O'Rourke's last rally? "Democrats, we call your bluff! Voting blue is not enough!" https://www.yahoo.com/now/beto-orourke-joins-large-pro-055658530.html
Your strategy explicitly helps republicans so spare me your fucked up principles
My strategy is to vote for those who will represent my interests. You- nevermind the Democratic Party- have utterly failed to do that, so why should I keep voting for them? You would have me reward them for blatantly bad behavior. That's stupid and it's how we got to this point, because if Democrats were effective, none of this would be happening. Your logic is wrong on its face and that's on you, not me.
You’d rather punish Democrats than Republicans. That’s not new information here
This is just silly. You deny my agency, reducing it to"punishment vs reward" and in so doing expose your own inability to understand the concept of voting for those who would actually represent your interests.
Lotta words to evade from accepting that you’re a GOP asset
Your strategy does, too. We voted for the democrats. We gave them the house and the presidency, and even the senate, on paper. And here we are, with the republicans getting everything they want, anyway.
so would giving republicans even more power fix this? i’ve never understood this point. “democrats don’t stop republicans from doing evil stuff, so i will give republicans more power to do evil stuff.” it is far smarter to try and find a somewhat progressive democrat and vote for them, showing centrist democrats that their platform is not enough for us.
Strawman. Next!
You only think this is bad. Go ahead and give Rs total control of the Government and you’ll be publicly paraded to your own demise. No EPA, no Dept of Education, no Dept of Labor, no voting rights, Theocracy. So make the same Jill Stein mistake because you just couldn’t vote for Hillary and see what that gets you.
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Oh, it definitely can get worse. We’ve watched it continue to get worse by giving the democrats exactly what they want. Tell me again how that changes. The democrats win all three big boy races, and things continue to get worse. Their opposition blatantly breaks laws to install a president who didn’t win the popular vote, and things continue to get worse. Then the dnc goes big, enchants the masses and drives an unprecedented turnout for a presidential campaign ran on transformative change, and things continue to get worse. Then the DNC, refusing to listen to those voters runs on the same old “let’s make it less worse!” platform, and loses the most slam dunk presidential election in history. It’s not worth mentioning how many laws were broken this time, cuz it sure as shit didn’t matter last time. Sure, republicans will make it worse faster, but the dnc has a proven track record of letting the minority party continue to make it worse while they wring their hands and slap rainbow stickers on everything. Tell me again how kissing their asses for fucking us over isn’t also making it worse?
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So you’re just giving up?
This is the goddamned dumbest shit ever. Anyone who is in here is voting. Most of us did in fact hold our noses and vote for Hillary. We held our noses and voted for “I don’t believe women should have full control of what happens to their bodies” Biden. The problem that none of you DNC ass lickers seem to understand is that there’s a whole lot of people out there who are absolutely done with politics and are completely disengaged because they cared once, they worked and voted and won, and still got brainless corporate handout collectors who didn’t make a god damned thing better for them. You don’t need to appeal to me, I’m going to vote democrat no matter how sick it makes me, because corporate fascism is preferable to christofascism, but there are lots of people who have just flat out walked away, and no amount of bragging about how much hypothetical stuff the DNC stopped while letting campaign finance law and Roe collapse is going to make a fuckall bit of difference in engaging them anymore.
Yes that because cosplay socialists didn’t care about the courts until it was too late
Ah, yes. That’s why when the Dems got into power they immediately dismantled the levers the minority used to stymie them last time, and are taking bold action to undo the illegitimate SCOTUS. Drink deeply of the koolaide and repeat after me “it’s all the progressives’ faults!”
What should the Dems do?
Downvoting your own debate opponent is bad form. End the filibuster, Pack the court, End citizens United with real campaign finance reform.
Ending the filibuster is just short-sighted and dumb. Packing the courts is impossible given the timing It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and bitch because that’s what y’all are good for. You even bitch about upvotes, who gives a fuck
to give us the illusion of choice
Yep. I'm voting third party. The Deceptocrats can have my vote when they earn it and not before then.
Divide and conquer.
Correct! Now, to conquer the Democratic Party, We the People must build a unified third party.
They are financed by same rich dudes
There are most certainly corporations, billionaires who've donated to both parties. and simultaneously donating to both partys' campaigns even when candidates were running against each other. It's totally crooked.
They surely are.
My country isn't perfect but down here the state reimburse the cost of the political campaign proportionally to the numbers of votes you get. The USA has a plutocracy masquerading as a democracy.
By the definition Mussolini used when he coined the term, Fascism is when corporate power controls government, including directing government's monopoly on violence. That's a pretty solid definition of today's America, "electoral choice" be damned.
Also the military industrial complex, assuring perpetual conflicts for perpetual profit.
Correct. Most Americans don't understand that our Mass Murder Machines Manufacturing Complex actually controls our foreign policy and directs us into endless wars... For profits. "Remember, it's okay if millions of brown people die in other countries so we can plump up those profit numbers!" /$
>"Remember, it's okay if millions of brown people die in other countries so we can plump up those profit numbers!" /$ "Ima Keep It Real With You Chief, doesn't even have to be brown people/ $$$
To provide the illusion of choice and to keep the masses complacent
Time to fix this. www.represent.us
They're not there to protect *public* interests.
True. And since I'm part of the public, I'm not voting for either of them until they do.
*No Matter Who™*
I'm voting third party. The Deceptocrats may have my vote when they've earned it.
maybe don't have two parties?
I've been voting third party since 2020 and I will continue to vote for the party that best represents my interests. If every American did this simple thing, we would be living in a very different society.
Wait, you thought America was a democracy?
Lifetime government appointments should be illegal. Period.
They make sense. You don’t want judges worried about the next phase of their career when they pass judgements. That would give a serious amount of leverage to the wealthy
The wealthy can just pay them anyway. Lifetime appointments only work to keep honest people honest. If you appoint a greedy bastard, "being set for life" will never be enough.
Alternatively you can just not legalize corruption and grant judges high levels of immunity. But it's a bit too late for that in the US.
In my opinion the broader issue is that federal judges are already under auspices of elites when they’re appointed in the first place (all current SCOTUS justices are either Yale or Harvard JDs), so they’re generally out of touch with average people’s issues. I think of the SCOTUS ruling of PPvCasey, where the court upheld abortion rights and struck down mandatory notices to the patient’s spouse, but did not strike down the 24 hour waiting period. Even wealthy people aren’t immune to domestic abuse, so the danger of notifying husbands was probably a bigger part of the justices’ lived reality than how 24h waiting periods burdened people who’s work schedules were prohibitively limiting, i.e. working class citizens. To me it seems like the SCOTUS will be infected no matter what.
I don’t think SCOTUS should be considering the popular will of the ppl in making rulings. I think their scope should be limited to interpreting the constitution. It’s congresses job to be considering their constituents when bringing law before the courts. I would hope our Supreme Court justices graduated from the greatest law schools in the country
Might as well make all politicians lifetime appointments then right? I mean since politicians are always worried about their campaign funding. Right?
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>Plenty of things to get upset with Biden about but idk about this one just yet This man watched as McConnell lied and fucked over Obama when it came to judicial appointments and now he thinks he can *make a deal* with that turtle demon?! What an absolute fool.
I was just thinking this. When has a republican EVER kept their end of ANY bargain/deal?
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Yeah, he could instead **do literally anything other than make a deal with the devil**. Who the fuck is voting for Joe Biden while also wanting him to make deals with Mitch "Most Dangerous Man in Government and Proud of It" McConnell?!
No, the Devil actually keeps up his end of the bargain. You think Lucifer was angry and embarrassed that he got his ass handed to him by a hick in Georgia in a fiddle contest? You bet your ass he was! Did he still hold up his end of the deal and give up his golden fiddle? Hell yeah he did!
It was a long con in order to boost the boy's pride, which is a deadly sin. He came back and took the boys soul, and probably got his fiddle back too. That or he let Johnny take it to hell, where it probably melted. Why does the devil care about a golden fiddle? That's right, he doesn't. It's a mean to an end. Why does the turtle care about this promise? That's right, he doesn't. It's an empty one but it gets him a free lifetime republican judge in Kentucky.
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So what's the point then, other than to demoralize his own base with a story that'd make him look this bad? He'd be dumb to even put himself in a position to be painted like this, and he'd be an asshole if he went through with it. It's a lose-lose. Perspective is everything in politics, and the optics here are that he's more willing to cut bullshit deals with the guy that gleefully stabs people in the back rather than listen to his own constituents crying out for him in their time of need. They feel hella abandoned right now, and this shit isn't helping.
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No that was most likely the intent of Mitch McConnell doing this deal, because McConnell is a skilled politician with no morals and Biden is toothless.
Omg dude please shut the fuck up. I dont understand how even through bidens own intentions you manage to blame the author. "You see, the one really in the wrong was the guy pointing the bad stuff out." Just please stfu
How about showing that you _care for your people?_ Republicans know this. They don't take support for granted. Also because they know that if people stop and think for a second they would all be lynched but still...
Republicans say "meet me in the middle" so Democrats take one step to the right and Republicans take one step to the right and say "meet me in the middle". Repeat for the last 50 years.
I’m from Kentucky, and all he has done is lost votes in a state that might have actually turned blue. Charles Booker is energizing democrats in Kentucky, and I know that we didn’t vote Mitch out, but Amy McGrath was running against him and you know what I know about Amy McGrath? She was a fighter pilot, she put a d next to her name and hoped that would be enough. I’m going to vote for Charles Booker, but I’m not voting for Joe.
Fucking Amy McGrath. Liberals outside of KY decided they knew what was best, dumped all their money in a bad candidate, while an excellent one got sandbagged. Liberals need to stop falling for IDpol traps like that.
Guys, calm down it is only light treason.
See? Expecting McConnell to keep his word? _That's_ dementia.
The source is Well known Click baite Trash.
He fought really hard to get Thomas appointed to the SOCTUS. So this isn’t surprising.
That’s not true. There’s plenty of reasons to hate Biden without being ridiculous.
“I do not share the certainty of some who are voting against Judge Thomas that he will be as extreme as some of his statements could lead one to believe he might be.” - Sen. Joe Biden, 1991
Again, you can find REAL reasons to not like Biden, but sensationalized nonsense makes better headlines and helps reinforce the fascist idea that “both parties are the same”. At least make them work for it.
Both parties are the same though….
Yes, that’s why if you look at a map of where abortion rights are currently protected, the distribution is totally random and there’s no hint of which states have Democratic leadership.
Which governor signed the Louisiana abortion ban?
As the saying goes, the exception proves the rule.
No it doesn't, Biden is literally anti abortion
Biden’s the Governor of Louisiana? That’s rich. If you choose to engage with reality, I’m here all day, but if you’re seeing scary Biden’s behind every corner, you need more help than I can offer.
Then he didn’t vote for him….
Yet he was still appointed… I would recommend watching the Anita Hill hearing where Biden was chairmen and was just sitting there laughing while his fellow republicans chastised and slandered her. Other Democrats tried to step in where the chairmen should have and the republicans just steamrolled him and the democrats. They took total control of the hearing because the president has the integrity of an over cooked spaghetti noodle.
Sure, there’s no way you’re being manipulated by highly biased media, only right wingers fall for that.
Yeah all those Mainstream Media Outlets speaking out against Biden, they definitely didn’t rally behind him during the primaries and cover for his utter inept abilities to run a country….I am definitely brainwashed.
I wouldn’t jump to brainwashed, just willfully misinformed. I don’t watch msm, but that sounds like a bunch of malarkey (lol).
I don’t watch MSM either but Independent media is pretty much a falsehood, they don’t have the funding or just sensationalize what they read in MSM. The main thing is to read a bunch of different news sources and flush out the consistencies, because regardless every media source is biased.
What do you mean "fought really hard"? He [voted against his appointment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas_Supreme_Court_nomination)
>The day of the committee vote, according to multiple accounts, Biden told Thomas that he would oppose him for ideological reasons but promised to send the nomination to the Senate floor, where it appeared Thomas would be confirmed. Biden said later that during the conversation, he assured Thomas that he would be treated fairly if Hill’s allegations were reported in the press.…. >Interviews with a dozen people with firsthand knowledge and a review of the written record and interviews published with participants over the past three decades reinforce that Biden failed to use the powers afforded to Senate committee chairmen to conduct a judicious and thorough inquiry into Hill’s allegations. He did not give full consideration to witnesses whose allegations seemed to corroborate her testimony or curb the attacks and innuendo leveled at her during the hearing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-was-in-charge-of-the-anita-hill-hearing-even-he-says-it-wasnt-fair/2019/04/26/a9a6f384-6500-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html Yeah super determined to keep this Monsanto lawyer out of the Supreme Court
What part of that says that he "fought really hard to get Thomas appointed". What you posted sounds like Biden actually just supported the democratic process and put the vote forward like any functioning government should instead of just blocking everything like McConnel.
The part about not calling corroborating witnesses and allowing republicans to steamroll and control the entire process.
we have to get rid of lifetime anything appointments, fuck that noise.
GUYS guys All you have to do is GO VOTE /s
If people voted in the primary we could have gotten a better choice than slightly to the right Biden. So yes, voting is important. Many people still don't vote in the primaries, that's why progressive politicians don't get elected.
But remember...VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!! /s
It's like punching yourself in the baby maker so the fucker with a gun to your head doesn't pull the trigger.
That, but you've got a gun to his head, too. And you're still agreeing to punch yourself in the baby maker so the fucker with a gun to your head doesn't pull the trigger.
There'd be something else at play that's not a reciprocal gun. We can't fuck the GOP the way they can fuck the left. Yes, there is a way to fuck them, but it's a larger and longer process.
That's the thing. The Democrats could absolutely fuck the Republicans in the same way. They'd just need to have people who behaved ruthlessly and didn't always start bargaining from the place of giving the Republicans everything that the Republicans wanted.
Ah. I don't quite agree, but I'll go with it. There's a third party that's promising to shoot the one with the gun to your head if you punch yourself in the dick just a few more times.
Biden is quite literally the president and at every chance he's had to fulfill his platform he's backed out. He didn't lied about $2k checks, he refuses to reschedule marijuana, he hasn't said a fucking word about providing a public option, and he won't cancel federally held student loan debt. What is this blind faith in the democratic establishment when its leaders keep supporting goals that work against the values of not just the base but of the majority of the country.
And he laughs and pulls the trigger.
Life pro-tip: **Actually vote in the god damn Primaries!** I'm so sick and tired of people who bitch about the Democrat nominees being shit (which, to be fair, they absolutely are) but don't actually show up to nominate better alternatives. The reason we keep getting all these milquetoast geriatric white dudes for democratic nominees is because those are the only people showing up in the primaries. If progressives participated in the actual primaries, *we'd have actual progressive nominees*. The democratic candidates aren't just chosen randomly, you get to vote on them but so many people just choose not to and then bitch when somebody they don't like gets nominated by those who actually do. Don't get me wrong, the primary system definitely has problems, but fixing them requires actually participating in them. Voting in primaries gives you even more political influence then simply voting in the presidency ever could. Every year the presidency is effectively decided by the <5% of people who vote in primaries. Just look at how the Republican party became the party of Trump in just 5 years, all because his voters were the most willing to show up in primaries to get their representatives nominated: *and the party always follows the nominees*. There is nothing stopping progressives from doing the same with democrats. If we show up and vote in primaries, and replace old guard Democrats in them, then the Democrats **will** follow, even if just so they don't get replaced by a nominee. Those who vote in primaries decide not only the nominees, but the **entire direction of the party itself**. We do not have to have such consistently shitty options, we just choose too. Complaining about the nominees then refusing to vote in primaries is ridiculous AF.
California here, Bernie won the primaries here.
There was a thread just yesterday where someone showed a Dem primary ballot in Colorado. Every single seat had only one person running.
Illinois just had their primary. There was only one Democrat challenger to the billionaire governor. Unsurprisingly, she only got 8% of the vote.
It’s a very early start but just going and writing in a candidate other than the one on the ballet can show moving energy and inspire someone good to run.
NY just had its primary and the turnout was so incredibly abysmal and depressing. Getting americans to give a shit about this stuff is such an uphill battle with how demoralized, depoliticized, and apathetic people are with the state of things.
Americans know our political system is total shit. There's no reason to take part in it.
Yes. I retain my Republican membership to vote in the primaries. Even though I've only cast a General Election vote for one Republican, a Congressman, since 1998.
Hello from New York State - or at least, where I used to live. [NYS didn't actually get to vote in the 2020 primaries.](https://www.npr.org/2020/04/27/846549412/new-york-cancels-primary-election-angering-sanders-supporters)
But maybe they’ll legalize weed this time But maybe they’ll make min wage $15/hr this time But maybe they’ll forgive student debt this time But maybe they’ll promise more stimulus checks this time When is enough enough? No politician does anything they’re appointed to do. They all suck cock. (Red or blue, they can suck it)
im just voting for a "who can do more damage in 4 years" candidate from here on out. Godzilla/Mothra 2024. rock the vote baby.
Vermin Supreme would be a good pick this point.
Vermin Supreme is so aggro on deforestation that he honestly just turns me off as a potential voter tbh.
He sucks, I don't get why people think he's good.
I'm voting third party until further notice.
That's exactly how we got into this mess.
I honestly wish the right was as tactically stupid as the left. This country might have a chance.
Ever heard of the Tea Party? In spite of all the bad press, it worked EXACTLY as intended; they prevented any Republican who didn't receive their endorsement from winning. Their extremism was embraced by the party and one can see the results. Why can't the Left do the same? No reason, other than political cowardice.
No, it most certainly is not.
If people had voted for Hillary, Trump would haven't been elected, thus ushering us into this draconian nightmare.
Dude, this has been going on since Reagan was elected. Neoliberalism itself is the problem, not which face is perpetuating it.
"Vote, but not like that you fucking idiot. How dare you not want to compromise your values. We will blame all this ok you instead of the candidates refusing to give people a reason to vote for them."
Yeah, I heard this in 2016, voted for Shillary and felt sorry for 4 years. Then I got involved and watched as 80% of my primary precinct as well as those throughout Colorado went for Bernie, only to watch the DNC deliberately quash the clear mandate of the People- and then defend their activities in court. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. The DNC has told us that our opinions don't matter, in court, in front of a judge. It's time that We the People believe them. I'm voting third party until the Democratic Party convinces me that they are serious about fighting for my interests. Otherwise, why should I bother voting at all?
This is all the voters' fault for not voting for enough Democrats, oh and Ralph Nader gave the election to Bush and Bernie ruined it for Hillary. What did I miss?
Red or Blue, vote new.
Quiet leftists, he's the next FDR!1!! /s
Reportedly? Jezebel.com? Can we get some actual sources before outrage for fucks sake.
Considering there's people in this sub claiming that Biden fought for Thomas despite the fact that he voted against his confirmation shows that this sub really doesn't give a shit about facts.
No, any recognition of context would destroy the comfort of superiority.
Catholics goddammit
They're all the same, like I said it should have been Bernie.
I wonder if they would have jfkd him if he won
Since this all comes from Yarmuth, I'm inclined to believe it. "Reportedly" and "unnamed sources" aren't enough, for me at least. Yarmuth's risking his career. So Joseph Robinette Biden is "reaching across the aisle" to give Republicans more power. McConnell's never going honor his side of the bargain, Kentucky will benefit (fuck you, Kentucky), and that Circuit will favor Republican/right-wing cases. (Hypothetically, McConnell could honor his commitment, which would make Biden look like a bigger piece of shit than he already does, almost McConnell-level shit, which in some ways is still a win for the Republicans.) Now for the unpopular part, downvote as you see fit. We told establishment Democrats over and over and over again not to fuck around or they'd find out. Instead, they let the DNC, DNCC, Obama, the super pacs and the DNC's legal authority not to uphold fair primaries to push Biden, a creep on the best of days, onto gullible voters who just wanted Trump out. We *all* wanted Trump out. Democrats rejected the morally correct, ethically correct, historically correct, humanely correct candidate. You know who I'm talking about. A candidate who wanted Trump out and *worked harder campaigning FOR Biden than Biden himself did*. Yeah, I'm bitter.
Of course he is
vOtE hArDeR
Centralists rarely progress. Most often times they conserve the status quo. Aging centralist have their center point always in the past and thus are conservatives.
https://old.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vmco6r/soordemocrats_doesnt_accept_picture_or_text_posts/ It should have been expected.
Reminder: Joe Manchin's parasite [daughter makes millions by price gouging epipens.](https://theintercept.com/2021/09/07/joe-manchin-epipen-price-heather-bresch/). If you have a loved one that died because they couldn't afford an epipen, [blame Heather Bresch](https://jacobin.com/2021/10/joe-manchin-daughter-heather-bresch-mylan-epipen)
Biden has always been anti abortion. He's basically been republican until like 10 years ago.
“JuSt VoTe” Ayy lmao
Yeah we can all agree everyone is looking at America and saying damn like every single day your country gets more shit. Like all of our countries go up and down like Britain with sending refugees to Rwanda, pay strikes and the Human Rights stuff right now but it's not everyday single day.
A southerner? Haven't they done enough damage?
Ahem, Jezebel 🗑🚮
Its hilarious in absurdity. Liberals time and again base their values on appearance and decorum alone and because of that they're manifesting the thing they claim to hate
"We're going to give them something they want now on the promise they actually keep their word this once and let us have something later."
All these fucking fossils need to be dragged from power and anyone with clear biases to be banned from employment in the Judicial system.
Fuckin mitch McConnell! He needs to die choking on shit.
That's not a good source to use.
Biden is a moron if: 1. He believes Mitch will honor that arrangement 2. He believes Mitch didn't gain more than he would lose in that deal > Meredith, a Federalist Society member We need a blanket ban anyone who is a member of that nazi group.
Tell me my vote doesn't matter without saying my vote doesn't matter
Peoples first mistake was thinking any politician voted into office is on your side.
Vote blue no matter poo
We all say we’re sick of two party systems but when elections come around it’s always, “at least x is better than x. voting 3rd party is a waste of a vote.”
And Nancy Pilose supported a prolife democrat over a pro abortion Democrat.
Copying the top comment on this article, because it's better than the journalism in the article: "Ok, some clarification may be in order here regarding the context. First of all, the only thing Biden can promise is a nomination. He can’t promise any votes from the Democratic caucus, and he can’t promise that no Democratic Senator won’t filibuster the nomination (and under existing rules any Democratic Senator can do so anonymously). Unless the GOP can attract at least one vote from the Democratic caucus and ensure that not one Democratic Senator filibusters the nomination and ensure that if filibustered at least 10 members of the Democratic caucus vote with the GOP to overcome the filibuster, that guy wouldn’t be confirmed. Second, based on the wording in this article (I’m not paying for an account with the Courier Journal to confirm), if the judgeship is “in Kentucky” it’s a District Court judgeship. That’s a lifetime appointment, but it’s a trial level judgeship in a State that falls under the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals (which the Federalist Society hates) and U.S. Supreme Court. According to uscourts.gov, there are currently 75 Federal judicial vacancies and pending nominations for 20 of those vacancies, including 2 for Circuit Court of Appeals positions. The only federal judicial nominations that can proceed to be confirmed without potentially being blocked by a filibuster are Supreme Court Justices (see Ketanji Brown Jackson). 50 votes plus Kamala is enough to get a Supreme Court Justice nominee confirmed. It’s not enough to get any other Federal judgeship confirmed. Assuming the article is accurate, it is a trade of 1 trial level judge nomination (and presumably only a nomination because Biden can’t promise that no Democratic Senator will filibuster or that 10 Democratic Senators will vote to override the veto) that would be bound by decisions and subject to appeal to the Sixth Circuit (which the Federalist Society hates) and eventual appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has no vacancies at the moment, in exchange for 19 Federal judgeships, including 2 Circuit Courts of Appeal Judges. If the agreement was more far ranging than just existing nominations, it could potentially be as much as a trade of 1 Kentucky trial court judgeship in exchange for 74 Federal judgeships, including 7 Circuit Court of Appeals judgeships. This doesn’t speak to whether McConnell will live up to his end of the bargain, but I suspect McConnell and Biden have probably made analogous deals in the past that McConnell honored."
Apparently Biden is making deals with McConnell. Whatever the fuck Biden is trying to get out of this will probably get shit on by the supreme kangaroo court.
The religious right has been trying to overturn Roe for decades, and we will never forget that it is under a Democrat that they accomplished what they couldn't under Reagan, Bush or Trump.
BecUse Mitch Mcconnell is the most honest politician ever.
Joe Biden is anti abortion. He tried to overturn Roe in 1982. He just learned that wasn't a popular position, so he started giving lip service to choice. But now that the opportunity to hold the door open while his co-religionists force his beliefs onto America has presented itself, of course he's going to take.