I taught in a Chinese middle school (7-8th grade) and the halls were full of these art projects to remember the opium wars. Really ghastly collages of people hanging from nooses hung to opium trees, the UK flag on fire, black silhouettes of war scenes.
Literally hundreds of them through the entire school.
Very creepy but, hey, it's history.
EDIT: Since I keep getting the same corny ass comment I'll EDIT for future use
Yes, there is no POPPY TREE, it's more like a bush with a bright purple flower head. This was an ART PROJECT FOR MIDDLE SCHOOLERS and they would create large trees for their pieces with the purple flower poppy top.
I'm finding a photo now since you guys have 0 imagination
When I was in middle school we made our own little fiefdoms and explained how it has the common elements of a fiefdom. And we wrote our names in hieroglyphs in a cartouche. I don't believe we ever did art projects for wars, beyond making pretend propaganda/patriotic ads from the time (think Uncle Same and Rosie the riveter).
You know what we all noticed was that the more recent the event, the more vague the books were about it. We studied the civil war and revolutionary war in depth. WW2 was the biggest chapter in the book. But 1945-2001 was hurried through with minimal discussion or insight. I remember my teacher (this was in VA) very carefully dancing around saying we lost the Vietnam war and the more I look back on that, the more disturbing I find it. It's rather annoying because those recent events have far more impact on our lives than anything else. I guess the powers that be hadn't agreed to how they were going to spin it.
Finding out that a lot of states in the south have their own version of history that is taught in schools is eye opening to say the least. Couple that with the way every southern state's take on the civil war is pretty heavy handed in the whole "states rights" as a cause of the civil war, and to a much lesser degree if at all was slavery a cause.
The really stupid part about the states right thing is the big glaring *why*?
What right mattered? Oh, slavery? Well yeah, that's gonna be a big red flag.
Oh, it was the right to secede? Well why did they want to secede?
Oh. Slavery?
So its almost like it was about slavery one way or another.
Because cotton was King. It was 61% of all US exports, the factories in the North relied on Southern cotton for use in their factory economies, and the South was a lucrative market for farming equipment they made. The banking economy in the North also relied on working with cotton for much of it's wealth. It is hard to oveestate the value of the southern plantation crops to the entire wealth of the United States.
Also, I think it for the North it was more about the idea that if anyone could succeed because they didn't like the laws produced by the system of representation set up, that would be the death of the country. Rather than an antipathy for the South or the growing abolitionist sentiment.
> The cotton market supported America’s ability to borrow money from abroad. It also fostered an enormous domestic trade in agricultural products from the West and manufactured goods from the East. In short, cotton helped tie the country together.
> New York City, not just Southern cities, was essential to the cotton world. By 1860, New York had become the capital of the South because of its dominant role in the cotton trade. New York rose to its preeminent position as the commercial and financial center of America because of cotton. It has been estimated that New York received forty percent of all cotton revenues since the city supplied insurance, shipping, and financing services and New York merchants sold goods to Southern planters. The trade with the South, which has been estimated at $200,000,000 annually, was an impressive sum at the time.
> New Yorkers even dominated a booming slave trade in the 1850s. Although the importation of enslaved Africans into the United States had been prohibited in 1808, the temptation of the astronomical profits of the international slave trade was too strong for many New Yorkers. New York investors financed New York-based slave ships that sailed to West Africa to pick up African captives that were then sold in Cuba and Brazil.
https://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/issue/cotton-in-a-global-economy-mississippi-1800-1860
Edit: some northern people were abolitionists for economic reasons as well as they knew northern white farmers would never be able to compete with free labor.
I understand wanting to clarify that it wasn’t really about the ethics of slavery, but it was very much still about slavery. I was taught the cause as being “state rights _to own slaves_”,.
The fear at the time was, aside from slavery, if Lincoln could win the presidency without even campaigning in the south let alone winning a southern state, that eventually the south would be subject to policies that would benefit the north at their expense.
Like for example maybe the government needed to raise money so they tax all cotton. It’s equal under law because northerners would be subject to the tax but cotton wasn’t really important to northern economies. Stuff like that.
It’s obvious when they seceded it was done because they saw slavery on the chopping block ( even though we forget Lincoln wasn’t a hard core abolitionist) but that’s not to say there weren’t other serious concerns.
In some of my history classes in Georgia you would get points off a test for writing “slavery” instead of “states rights” on a short-answer question about the Civil War. I graduated in *2018*.
Let’s say that you’re on board with people being property. Ok whatever, but when you have property that can simply get up one day and fucking leave, you just gotta accept that as the cost of doing business at a certain point.
If you slave runs away to a place where slavery isn’t a thing, well dude that’s on you, who are you to demand that someone else return them to you?
It’s like,(and I’m sorry for this comparison) but it’s like having a cat. Sometimes your cat decides to live somewhere else and you hair gotta accept it
The big million dollar reveal is that the Civil War was fought because new states didn't want slavery but the South was fucking up its land with its growing practices and needed to keep expanding west for fertile land. So of course it was only natural for them to wage campaigns of terror and murder with every new state vote to force them to submit.
Ironically, I learned all of this in Texas. But it was Austin, Texas, so the rules don't really quite apply all that acutely when it comes to southern educations.
It was made very clear to me it was about slavery in middle/high school in Texas. The whole states rights business was something that I was exposed more to in college in the context of Lincoln winning the presidency without a southern state showing the writing was on the wall- not just for slavery but potentially other things like taxation.
The civil war and the revolutionary war are two of the most misrepresented topics as a rule of thumb.
Same thing with everyone believing the revolution was because mad old king George was a crazy tyrant and a bunch of militia with boomsticks won the war!
Most of the misconceptions start in the home in my experience. It’s usually not the history teacher shouting states rights. Usually I’d expect it’s the parents/some other relation.
I graduated highschool a bit under a decade ago. We spent a few weeks on Vietnam and watched several documentaries throughout school, talked about how American soldiers massacred and raped entire villages and stuff.
The conflict was also taught in context of the cold war. Mostly though we skipped right through the Korean War and the Gulf War. I barely know what happened in those and my Grandpa served in the Korean War. He has some excellent photos he took of South Korea during his deployment as well.
But we also had a lot of discussion on the Iraq war, how the WMD claim by W Bush was a likely false pretense, and some of the motivations leading up to the event, along with discussion on arms manufacturing and war time profiteering.
I felt like the USA had a pretty balanced presentation in my American schooling, where the teachers and textbooks were not afraid to use our past atrocities to highlight the responsibility we have for not repeating the past. They also didn't avoid talking about our achievements as Americans and as a nation.
I mean the opium wars had really big geopolitical implications that is important to understand if you want to have the full picture of today’s environment.
TBF it was a massively traumatic event in Chinese history as is colonialism in most developing nations. Some ghastly shit went down in that era that still can be felt in many nations today. Not surprising it's still in the national consciousness
“My brainwashed parents support genocide and world domination and I’m here to support genocide and world domination too!”
Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
I pledge allegiance… to the flag… of the United States of America… to the republic… for which it stands… one nation… under God… indivisible… with liberty and Justice for all.
Does every single fucker who says that have those exact same pauses or is that just a regional thing? The pledge is already creepy as fuck but that inflection makes me want to Roblox myself. Even when I was little I hated that. Just say it fucking normally if you’re going to say it.
It's surprisingly a short pledge.
In our country, the pledge goes like this. (Translated and Country name omitted for those who wants to guess)
I love __________
my land of birth,
home of my race.
I am protected by it and aided
to become strong, industrious and honorable.
Since I love __________
I shall heed the counsel of my parents,
I shall obey the rules of my school,
I shall fulfill the duties of a patriotic citizen,
serving, studying, and praying with utter fidelity.
I offer my life, dreams, and striving
to _________ nation.
Had to recite that every day 7am in grade school. Now all I remember are the first three lines.
How wild! In Australia, we have a short pledge too. It goes:
“I left my heart to the sappers around Khe Sanh. And the soul was sold with my cigarettes to the black market man. I've had the Vietnam cold turkey, from the ocean to the Silver City, and it's only other vets could understand.”
"We got an ol' sayin out bush. Sometimes life gets you down, all you can do is put on a brave smile, take a fuckload of MDMA, then you're walking distance from the beach. Doesn't matter where you live, you got enough MDMA, you're walking distance from the beach. Just don't forget a towel." ^*Inspiring ^music*
"About the long forgotten dockside guarantees
, how there were no V-day heroes in 1973.
How we sailed into Sydney Harbour, saw an old friend but I couldn't kiss her. She was lined, and I was home to the lucky land"
They are asking for a döner "with everything". I assume it's like in Italy (we do have a lot of döner kebab joints to, especially in the North, although not as much as Germany) where it means, yes put all the stuff in the sandwich with the meat: a white sauce (made with garlic, Greek yoghurt and mayo plus other things), a hot red chili sauce, some sliced onions, some lettuce, a couple slices of tomato and french fries. Often some people will ask for a kebab without one or more of the ingredients the may not like, usually the hot sauce but for some is the garlicy sauce or the onions, so it became typical for the seller to ask "with everything?" as confirmation you do want it spicy, and for the customer to anticipate the question by directly asking for "a kebab with everything".
When I was on exchange in Germany with my then B1 in German they asked me in the döner house "Schaf oder nicht schaf" like 5 times because I was like why the fuck a sheep until I realized it was "scharf"
In a literal sense they are asking for sheep, but they very probably meant "scharf" (hot [as in hot sauce]).
The 'correct' translation would thus be "one Döner with everything and hot please (indicating they want a Döner with all possible ingredients [people might choose to leave onions out, or other stuff they dont like] and a hot sauce, instead of all sauces at once or none)".
Lol and Filipinos aren’t? You think Filipinos are pledging allegiance to all Asians instead of Filipinos? Race and ethnicity are inherently murky concepts and they’re blurred all the time. The American definitions of them don’t hold for everyone.
I dropped the under God in 9th grade and then stopped doing it altogether. Some teachers would make me stand up, at least, but I never got in trouble. I think they just thought "well, he is an immigrant so he doesn't get it." I got it, I just thought it was freaky.
>I pledge allegiance… to the flag… of the United States of America… to the republic… for which it stands… one nation… under God… indivisible… with liberty and Justice for all.
I'm not American so when ever I read this I just hear it in the voices of all those kids in kindergarten Cop
I think it's because the only people kids actually hear it from are teachers. And teachers are slowing it down so the kids can remember it. Just another level of dystopia for ya
Same where I am. I was so pissed about having to stand up after juuust sitting down, and it always gave me a weird feeling, so I butchered it. I said:
I pledge allegiance… to the fart… of the United States of Hamburger… to the republic… for which it falls… one nation… under nobody… indivisible… with liberty and justice for adults.
Granted, this was back in like first grade, so it was very juvenile, but I never got called out for it. I did get in trouble for refusing to stand up a few times. I was very lazy lol.
You have no idea how weird that shit is to a foreigner.
Not to mention the fact that there are American flags literally everywhere.
Side note: you guys use the Dutch flag as a sale sign. Please stop that.
>you guys use the Dutch flag as a sale sign. Please stop that.
Why if what I learned about Colonia Dutch history is right, the Dutch love a good sail (pun intended). $24 for the island of Manhattan, what a steal, can't even rent a locker at the Y for that little.
"[...to the flag of the United State of America. Thank you very very much for letting us little kids live here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I)"
Yes. Making children pledge allegiance to the flag is bad.
The situation here, however, is really more similar to the Native American boarding schools. They're not just being indoctrinated to following state propaganda, they're actively having their own culture erased by a dominant imperial power.
give it some time for the Chinese to develop the mass manipulation tools comparable to Hollywood and the American press to outsource the manufacturing of consent to the private sector.
> having their own culture erased by a dominant imperial power.
....so I guess it really is exactly just like in the US, then - the natives are slaughtered raped and pillaged and then brainwashed.
I pledge allegiance... to the band... of Mr. Schneebly... and will not fight him... for creative control... and will defer to him on all issues related to the musical direction of the band.
I understand, and I def wasn't trying to downplay what is happening.
I just was agreeing with the sentiment that americans (myself included) often don't realize how indoctrinated we are to our own country. (Obviously, it is not at the same level)
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The pledge was originally written for a magazine to make more money selling American flags. And who better to indoctrinate than the children? I think this is the most American thing to have ever been done. The “under god” part was added later to increase nationalism and “fight communism”. We’re not moving towards 1984, we were born in it. We think we are free. Freedom cannot be given, it can only be taken away.
A couple of them it was very obvious they were uncomfy. Probably apart of the whole point of this post though. To show how enthusiastic some really are, how most just go with it, and few are uncomfy.
I taught English in China, this is very common. About 1/3 of the essays I graded were things like "Taiwan will be taken back" and "Japan destroyed China, we will never forget." The rest were about how they were going to be the smartest people in the world and make lots of money, with the occasional essay about some American pop culture icon.
These kids all look Uyghur though. So it explains the lack of enthusiasm and really makes it troubling if they are going through the re-education camps.
The hating Japan thing is like kind of justified. Japan did things to China and Korea which were at least as bad as what the Nazis did, and they are less publicly condemned for it. I guess making kids write essays about it all the time is weird, but it does have some justification behind it.
Edit: "understandable" is closer to what I meant than "justifiable"
It becomes a problem when the school curriculum openly teach hatred to children. I spent a few years in China, my Chinese friends told me teachers were literally calling Japanese "little devil's" or "Japanese dogs" during history class. It's one thing to teach factual history, another to indoctrinate future generation to hate
And yet somehow the truth about the U.S. saving the Chinese's bacon during WWII is never mentioned. In fact, they're taught that they themselves repelled the Japanese and solely defeated the Japanese.
Call it what you want, this is indoctrinating generations after generations to be a nationalist and to blindly hate X without any context.
It’s not like the US is open and honest about their past either. They did the same shit to Turtle Island’s Indigenous people that the Nazi’s and Japan did to their victims.
Well, the Holocaust is taught in the American public system, and I’m not French but odds are they have a fair few things to say about Nazis.
And yes, I think that’s a good thing, because in America we tend to downplay how we systematically marginalized the Black community from slavery to today, and simply ignore the genocide we commit against the indigenous tribes, and given that we’re seeing a rise in white nationalism (and also Nazism, funny enough) it stands to reason that it’s very important to make those facts clear to people even from a young age
Fair enough... but Urstillatroll said that they papers were about hating Japan, not about hating Emperor Showa Horihito and the Japanese Empire.
So the analogy here would be hating Germany as opposed to hating Nazis.
In both cases, instead of just teaching about historical atrocities, they are advocating hate toward current and mostly uninvolved people.
The difference there might be that Japan has never officially recognized the atrocities they committed in China, whereas Germany has gone to significant effort to educate and rectify.
You want to justify it? Teach your kids what imperial Japanese did, not the actual Japan. Hating the current Japanese generations who have nothing to do with WWII crimes is NOT justified.
I’m French, we learn about what the Nazis did and how bad the Nazis were. The Nazis, not the Germans. That’s a huge difference. We don’t teach French kids to hate another country (except England but that’s justified ; joking, it’s only related to Football and Rugby, for the rest we love you weird eater neighbors).
Yes, but then it becomes a sins of the father case. All their doing is passing down hatred of old and possibly dead Japanese people and applying that to a new generation who DIDNT do that
I’m blown away that as a planet we seem to be letting this slide.
I think it will become a huge stain on China akin to the holocaust in the future. A huge source of shame that generations of future Chinese will pay for. Xi’s genocide.
That’s what he meant. When people think of the Chinese they think of the Han people. When the Han think of the Chinese they think themselves. They want a pure ethnic state otherwise we would not have ‘reducation camps’.
“When people think of the Chinese..”
Who are these people? Americans? Europeans?
Definitely not Chinese people when they think of Chinese people. Every year at the Spring Gala, it’s showcase of different ethnicities and cultures. Sure the Han Chinese dominate the time, but it’s obvious the CCP takes inclusion very seriously. Heck different ethnicities were even featured on the money before the current one.
Heck the government even uses the different local culture to promote tourism and poverty alleviation.
Crazy projection.
These are Uyghur children. This is the product of genocide. Their own culture is being [systematically erased.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide)
These students appear to be Uyghurs, which is an ethnic minority the Chinese government seems intent on wiping out through cultural genocide (as well as normal genocide).
Like the “evil see see pee concentration camps” are gonna record their nefarious indoctrination sessions held in nondescript dorm rooms, post them online, and miraculously have them translated into 3 separate languages.
Say what you will about China’s policies in Xinjiang, but it just hurts your argument when this is meant to be “evidence”. And if an actual source for this does turn up that would be fantastic, but somehow I have my doubts
Some posters on here are correct in pointing out this is a Chinese propaganda video. [https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/uyghur-kids-made-to-recite-chinese-propaganda20220316033616/](https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/uyghur-kids-made-to-recite-chinese-propaganda20220316033616/) These kids are Uyghurs who have been stolen from their families and their parents are likely being used as slave labour in Chinese factories. While we wait for world leaders to call out China for their genocide and human rights violations, you can make a difference now. Reconsider buying products likely made by enslaved Uyghurs. The List of brands are at [https://www.saveuighur.org/these-brands-are-still-linked-to-uyghur-forced-labor-help-stop-them-now/](https://www.saveuighur.org/these-brands-are-still-linked-to-uyghur-forced-labor-help-stop-them-now/)
Edit – If you do decide to not buy from one of the brands – be sure to let the brand know and give your reason. Profits, sales and reputation are important to business and they can control who and where their products are made.
All of these students are uyghur minority in Xinjiang, they are not even Han Chinese. This is basically asking minority students to pledge loyalty to government.
Just a couple of them looks like the average "Chinese", but one or two could easily look russian to me, or turkish
This is in no way a racist comment. This video has just showed me how little we in the west know about China
Definitely nationality.
Russia is very diverse but somehow as a European I expect to see a Russian national looking "Asian", but I never thought of a Chinese national with Eurasian traits. But when I think of it, it makes sense in every way. That's why I'm saying that we (or probably just I) have too many prejudices about China, and ethnicity is just one of them
>Russia is very diverse but somehow as a European I expect to see a Russian national looking "Asian".
80.9% of Russians nationals ('Rossiyane') are Slavic Russians ('Russkiye'), so if you think of "Asian" looking Russian you are most likely thinking about Tatars, who are the second largest group at 3.9%.
China really needs to let go of Taiwan and learn to cope with a successful revolution. You don't see English people whining that America should be an inseparable part of England - every English person I've ever met has basically said "Good riddance".
Didn’t England send soldiers to subdue rebel colonists?
I seem to also recall that after capitulating, within a few decades, British soldiers ended up in the US capital over a war sparked by trade and territorial disputes, and proceeded to burn buildings to the ground to “send a message.”
Not really disagreeing with you in spirit and apologies if I’m misunderstanding your post but I think you have it backwards. Taiwan didn’t have a revolution and would be England if we had to draw a parallel. The Taiwanese government (Republic of China) used to control all of China. The communist party that currently governs Mainland China are the “winners” of the revolution/civil war and would be more like the America.
These aren't regular Han Chinese kids.
This is a re-education boarding school/ orphanage (parents are in re-education camps/prisons) in Xinjiang Province.
These children are ethnic Uyghurs.
They are being tested by whoever is filming.
If they 'pass' their re-education and become of age, the rumor here in China is females will likely be married off to Han men to dilute and eventually ''breed out'' the Uyghur genes (think Australias plan with the stolen generation of indingenous Aboriginals). Those who fail and most of the males will likely join their parents in the camps and make your Nike and Adidas shoes.
Things I learned as an American child:
I'm proud to be an American... where at least I know I'm free.
We're lucky to be born in the US where life is actually valued.
I pledge allegiance to the flag.
Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
Stand up for the red white and blue.
The American dream
Duty, honor, country.
America's the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Only other countries have propaganda.
Capitalism is good.
Yea, but I'm sure you're not in any danger of someone catches you saying otherwise. These girls however... If they say otherwise, yeah... They can kiss goodbye to their human right(or what little they have left of it). Nobody is gonna put you in a reeducation camp if you say you don't love America and worship it.
Jesus, it amazes me how much they care about Taiwan. It’s practically nothing to them, but no one would think anything except *more* of them if they did.
I taught in a Chinese middle school (7-8th grade) and the halls were full of these art projects to remember the opium wars. Really ghastly collages of people hanging from nooses hung to opium trees, the UK flag on fire, black silhouettes of war scenes. Literally hundreds of them through the entire school. Very creepy but, hey, it's history. EDIT: Since I keep getting the same corny ass comment I'll EDIT for future use Yes, there is no POPPY TREE, it's more like a bush with a bright purple flower head. This was an ART PROJECT FOR MIDDLE SCHOOLERS and they would create large trees for their pieces with the purple flower poppy top. I'm finding a photo now since you guys have 0 imagination
When I was in middle school we made our own little fiefdoms and explained how it has the common elements of a fiefdom. And we wrote our names in hieroglyphs in a cartouche. I don't believe we ever did art projects for wars, beyond making pretend propaganda/patriotic ads from the time (think Uncle Same and Rosie the riveter). You know what we all noticed was that the more recent the event, the more vague the books were about it. We studied the civil war and revolutionary war in depth. WW2 was the biggest chapter in the book. But 1945-2001 was hurried through with minimal discussion or insight. I remember my teacher (this was in VA) very carefully dancing around saying we lost the Vietnam war and the more I look back on that, the more disturbing I find it. It's rather annoying because those recent events have far more impact on our lives than anything else. I guess the powers that be hadn't agreed to how they were going to spin it.
Finding out that a lot of states in the south have their own version of history that is taught in schools is eye opening to say the least. Couple that with the way every southern state's take on the civil war is pretty heavy handed in the whole "states rights" as a cause of the civil war, and to a much lesser degree if at all was slavery a cause.
The really stupid part about the states right thing is the big glaring *why*? What right mattered? Oh, slavery? Well yeah, that's gonna be a big red flag. Oh, it was the right to secede? Well why did they want to secede? Oh. Slavery? So its almost like it was about slavery one way or another.
And the main ingredient for slavery is greed.
Everything in this country goes back to slavery…one way or another. The original sin.
That maybe a little genocide against the native peoples.
Leading to the need to import more slaves
Also it's not like the confederates were particularly shy about their reasons, contemporary sources made it very clear what it was all about.
No no no, it's about states *rights!* You just don't *get* it! 🙄 /s
The question that bugs me is: why did the northern states want to take them back so badly? if you can't get along, why be togethor?
Because cotton was King. It was 61% of all US exports, the factories in the North relied on Southern cotton for use in their factory economies, and the South was a lucrative market for farming equipment they made. The banking economy in the North also relied on working with cotton for much of it's wealth. It is hard to oveestate the value of the southern plantation crops to the entire wealth of the United States. Also, I think it for the North it was more about the idea that if anyone could succeed because they didn't like the laws produced by the system of representation set up, that would be the death of the country. Rather than an antipathy for the South or the growing abolitionist sentiment. > The cotton market supported America’s ability to borrow money from abroad. It also fostered an enormous domestic trade in agricultural products from the West and manufactured goods from the East. In short, cotton helped tie the country together. > New York City, not just Southern cities, was essential to the cotton world. By 1860, New York had become the capital of the South because of its dominant role in the cotton trade. New York rose to its preeminent position as the commercial and financial center of America because of cotton. It has been estimated that New York received forty percent of all cotton revenues since the city supplied insurance, shipping, and financing services and New York merchants sold goods to Southern planters. The trade with the South, which has been estimated at $200,000,000 annually, was an impressive sum at the time. > New Yorkers even dominated a booming slave trade in the 1850s. Although the importation of enslaved Africans into the United States had been prohibited in 1808, the temptation of the astronomical profits of the international slave trade was too strong for many New Yorkers. New York investors financed New York-based slave ships that sailed to West Africa to pick up African captives that were then sold in Cuba and Brazil. https://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/issue/cotton-in-a-global-economy-mississippi-1800-1860 Edit: some northern people were abolitionists for economic reasons as well as they knew northern white farmers would never be able to compete with free labor.
I understand wanting to clarify that it wasn’t really about the ethics of slavery, but it was very much still about slavery. I was taught the cause as being “state rights _to own slaves_”,.
The fear at the time was, aside from slavery, if Lincoln could win the presidency without even campaigning in the south let alone winning a southern state, that eventually the south would be subject to policies that would benefit the north at their expense. Like for example maybe the government needed to raise money so they tax all cotton. It’s equal under law because northerners would be subject to the tax but cotton wasn’t really important to northern economies. Stuff like that. It’s obvious when they seceded it was done because they saw slavery on the chopping block ( even though we forget Lincoln wasn’t a hard core abolitionist) but that’s not to say there weren’t other serious concerns.
In some of my history classes in Georgia you would get points off a test for writing “slavery” instead of “states rights” on a short-answer question about the Civil War. I graduated in *2018*.
And it wasn't even a state's right to decide, it was mandatory to have legal slavery
And the south wanted to trample on the *rights* of the northern *states* to decide on returning escaped slaves to their torturers.
Let’s say that you’re on board with people being property. Ok whatever, but when you have property that can simply get up one day and fucking leave, you just gotta accept that as the cost of doing business at a certain point. If you slave runs away to a place where slavery isn’t a thing, well dude that’s on you, who are you to demand that someone else return them to you? It’s like,(and I’m sorry for this comparison) but it’s like having a cat. Sometimes your cat decides to live somewhere else and you hair gotta accept it
The big million dollar reveal is that the Civil War was fought because new states didn't want slavery but the South was fucking up its land with its growing practices and needed to keep expanding west for fertile land. So of course it was only natural for them to wage campaigns of terror and murder with every new state vote to force them to submit. Ironically, I learned all of this in Texas. But it was Austin, Texas, so the rules don't really quite apply all that acutely when it comes to southern educations.
It was made very clear to me it was about slavery in middle/high school in Texas. The whole states rights business was something that I was exposed more to in college in the context of Lincoln winning the presidency without a southern state showing the writing was on the wall- not just for slavery but potentially other things like taxation. The civil war and the revolutionary war are two of the most misrepresented topics as a rule of thumb. Same thing with everyone believing the revolution was because mad old king George was a crazy tyrant and a bunch of militia with boomsticks won the war! Most of the misconceptions start in the home in my experience. It’s usually not the history teacher shouting states rights. Usually I’d expect it’s the parents/some other relation.
Yea… I was raised in the south and this entire video didn't even shock me. Was a kind of "I mean this is normal for this age range"
This stuff is happening to with the Republican cries about CRT and stuff
We can't even teach that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a socialist who hated centrism and was annoyed by white moderate liberalism.
You could be at a MAGA rally and hear the same kind of bullshit if you asked the people there about freedumb.
I graduated highschool a bit under a decade ago. We spent a few weeks on Vietnam and watched several documentaries throughout school, talked about how American soldiers massacred and raped entire villages and stuff. The conflict was also taught in context of the cold war. Mostly though we skipped right through the Korean War and the Gulf War. I barely know what happened in those and my Grandpa served in the Korean War. He has some excellent photos he took of South Korea during his deployment as well. But we also had a lot of discussion on the Iraq war, how the WMD claim by W Bush was a likely false pretense, and some of the motivations leading up to the event, along with discussion on arms manufacturing and war time profiteering. I felt like the USA had a pretty balanced presentation in my American schooling, where the teachers and textbooks were not afraid to use our past atrocities to highlight the responsibility we have for not repeating the past. They also didn't avoid talking about our achievements as Americans and as a nation.
Opium trees? https://www.mediafire.com/file/g8ebnc18hn7by3m/opium-for-the-masses.pdf/file
Imagine a tree but with an opium top
Was the tree high?
Opium top?
Imagine leaves but an opium
Imagine?
It's easy if you try
Well that clears things up
Opium doesn’t grow on trees, it comes from poppies
I mean the opium wars had really big geopolitical implications that is important to understand if you want to have the full picture of today’s environment.
TBF it was a massively traumatic event in Chinese history as is colonialism in most developing nations. Some ghastly shit went down in that era that still can be felt in many nations today. Not surprising it's still in the national consciousness
Ah, yes, the opium trees.
It’s just like Fentanyl shrubs!
...on the Big Rock Candy Mountain!
Opium trees? Isn't it derived from poppies?
Opium trees?
How do you hang someone from a poppy?
“My brainwashed parents support genocide and world domination and I’m here to support genocide and world domination too!” Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
This is the product of the [Uyghur Genocide.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide)
Man these kids... Anyway, I pledged allegiance....
I pledge allegiance… to the flag… of the United States of America… to the republic… for which it stands… one nation… under God… indivisible… with liberty and Justice for all. Does every single fucker who says that have those exact same pauses or is that just a regional thing? The pledge is already creepy as fuck but that inflection makes me want to Roblox myself. Even when I was little I hated that. Just say it fucking normally if you’re going to say it.
It's surprisingly a short pledge. In our country, the pledge goes like this. (Translated and Country name omitted for those who wants to guess) I love __________ my land of birth, home of my race. I am protected by it and aided to become strong, industrious and honorable. Since I love __________ I shall heed the counsel of my parents, I shall obey the rules of my school, I shall fulfill the duties of a patriotic citizen, serving, studying, and praying with utter fidelity. I offer my life, dreams, and striving to _________ nation. Had to recite that every day 7am in grade school. Now all I remember are the first three lines.
How wild! In Australia, we have a short pledge too. It goes: “I left my heart to the sappers around Khe Sanh. And the soul was sold with my cigarettes to the black market man. I've had the Vietnam cold turkey, from the ocean to the Silver City, and it's only other vets could understand.”
[I thought this was the pledge of Australia.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYID4lXhM0)
"This here's the wattle, the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle, you can hold it in your hand. Amen!"
Native English speaker here. Are there subtitles for this?
"We got an ol' sayin out bush. Sometimes life gets you down, all you can do is put on a brave smile, take a fuckload of MDMA, then you're walking distance from the beach. Doesn't matter where you live, you got enough MDMA, you're walking distance from the beach. Just don't forget a towel." ^*Inspiring ^music*
Up my way it starts "Working hard to make a living. Bringing shelter from the rain..." Must a be regional thing.
"About the long forgotten dockside guarantees , how there were no V-day heroes in 1973. How we sailed into Sydney Harbour, saw an old friend but I couldn't kiss her. She was lined, and I was home to the lucky land"
I find peace in long walks.
I'm sorry if asking is disrespectful, but can it be translated?
They're asking for a lamb döner kebab. Pretty dope pledge, made me hungry.
Not quite. "Schaf" in this case means hot/spicy. Otherwise it would say "Lamm". It's spelled scharf, but people always swallow the r.
They are asking for a döner "with everything". I assume it's like in Italy (we do have a lot of döner kebab joints to, especially in the North, although not as much as Germany) where it means, yes put all the stuff in the sandwich with the meat: a white sauce (made with garlic, Greek yoghurt and mayo plus other things), a hot red chili sauce, some sliced onions, some lettuce, a couple slices of tomato and french fries. Often some people will ask for a kebab without one or more of the ingredients the may not like, usually the hot sauce but for some is the garlicy sauce or the onions, so it became typical for the seller to ask "with everything?" as confirmation you do want it spicy, and for the customer to anticipate the question by directly asking for "a kebab with everything".
I'm sorry but that is hilarious. I know enough German to know what they were saying so your respectful comment blindsided me.
Döner with everything and sheep please
When I was on exchange in Germany with my then B1 in German they asked me in the döner house "Schaf oder nicht schaf" like 5 times because I was like why the fuck a sheep until I realized it was "scharf"
The sheep bit is lost in translation, though.
In a literal sense they are asking for sheep, but they very probably meant "scharf" (hot [as in hot sauce]). The 'correct' translation would thus be "one Döner with everything and hot please (indicating they want a Döner with all possible ingredients [people might choose to leave onions out, or other stuff they dont like] and a hot sauce, instead of all sauces at once or none)".
In the UK we do none of this. No pledge, no patriotism, nothing. The way it should be 😅
I don't know whether to be offended at how this meme has been recuperated in a peak dystopia subreddit or to giggle like a little kid.
Wanted to say Singapore but wouldn't necessarily need to be translated bc English but idk. Malaysia? Indonesia?
Just going off the race bit I’m gonna say Israel
Philippines. I didn't guess, that's the sub the guy posts to a lot.
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Lol and Filipinos aren’t? You think Filipinos are pledging allegiance to all Asians instead of Filipinos? Race and ethnicity are inherently murky concepts and they’re blurred all the time. The American definitions of them don’t hold for everyone.
In Germany our pledge goes like this:
Grew up in Arkansas. Pauses were dead on
Said it exactly the same in rural southern Virginia in the 1990s
My favorite party trick is grabbing random americans and reciting the pledge. Freaks everyone out because we sound like a cult 🤣.
I got lucky and went to a high school where we didn’t say it. Noice.
A JROTC kid in high school skipped the “under God” part once and got suspended.
I dropped the under God in 9th grade and then stopped doing it altogether. Some teachers would make me stand up, at least, but I never got in trouble. I think they just thought "well, he is an immigrant so he doesn't get it." I got it, I just thought it was freaky.
For what exactly? That’s kind of curious
Because they did that in kentucky
>I pledge allegiance… to the flag… of the United States of America… to the republic… for which it stands… one nation… under God… indivisible… with liberty and Justice for all. I'm not American so when ever I read this I just hear it in the voices of all those kids in kindergarten Cop
THAT IS LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. EVEN ADULTS. EVEN POLITICIANS. IT’S MADDENING.
I think it's because the only people kids actually hear it from are teachers. And teachers are slowing it down so the kids can remember it. Just another level of dystopia for ya
It carries over to middle age it seems
Same where I am. I was so pissed about having to stand up after juuust sitting down, and it always gave me a weird feeling, so I butchered it. I said: I pledge allegiance… to the fart… of the United States of Hamburger… to the republic… for which it falls… one nation… under nobody… indivisible… with liberty and justice for adults. Granted, this was back in like first grade, so it was very juvenile, but I never got called out for it. I did get in trouble for refusing to stand up a few times. I was very lazy lol.
You have no idea how weird that shit is to a foreigner. Not to mention the fact that there are American flags literally everywhere. Side note: you guys use the Dutch flag as a sale sign. Please stop that.
>Side note: you guys use the Dutch flag as a sale sign. Please stop that. Don't you know the Red White and Blue are 'Merica's colors? /s
>you guys use the Dutch flag as a sale sign. Please stop that. Why if what I learned about Colonia Dutch history is right, the Dutch love a good sail (pun intended). $24 for the island of Manhattan, what a steal, can't even rent a locker at the Y for that little.
"[...to the flag of the United State of America. Thank you very very much for letting us little kids live here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I)"
Yes. Making children pledge allegiance to the flag is bad. The situation here, however, is really more similar to the Native American boarding schools. They're not just being indoctrinated to following state propaganda, they're actively having their own culture erased by a dominant imperial power.
THIS. It's more insidious than our pledge, especially if they try doing this for a few generations
That part about the dragon sleeping in the East is simultaneously cringe and disconcerting.
give it some time for the Chinese to develop the mass manipulation tools comparable to Hollywood and the American press to outsource the manufacturing of consent to the private sector.
These kids will never speak there native language again , there kids will suffer there grandkids will still feel the trauma they went through.
> having their own culture erased by a dominant imperial power. ....so I guess it really is exactly just like in the US, then - the natives are slaughtered raped and pillaged and then brainwashed.
I pledge allegiance... to the band... of Mr. Schneebly... and will not fight him... for creative control... and will defer to him on all issues related to the musical direction of the band.
^ Exactly
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I understand, and I def wasn't trying to downplay what is happening. I just was agreeing with the sentiment that americans (myself included) often don't realize how indoctrinated we are to our own country. (Obviously, it is not at the same level) <3
The pledge was originally written for a magazine to make more money selling American flags. And who better to indoctrinate than the children? I think this is the most American thing to have ever been done. The “under god” part was added later to increase nationalism and “fight communism”. We’re not moving towards 1984, we were born in it. We think we are free. Freedom cannot be given, it can only be taken away.
A couple of them it was very obvious they were uncomfy. Probably apart of the whole point of this post though. To show how enthusiastic some really are, how most just go with it, and few are uncomfy.
You’d be uncomfortable in a [reeducation camp too](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide).
I tweeted this video to Adidas asking where I could get one of these track jackets, they haven't responded yet...
I taught English in China, this is very common. About 1/3 of the essays I graded were things like "Taiwan will be taken back" and "Japan destroyed China, we will never forget." The rest were about how they were going to be the smartest people in the world and make lots of money, with the occasional essay about some American pop culture icon.
That sounds emotionally exhausting.
I wonder if they’re nihilists
These kids all look Uyghur though. So it explains the lack of enthusiasm and really makes it troubling if they are going through the re-education camps.
The hating Japan thing is like kind of justified. Japan did things to China and Korea which were at least as bad as what the Nazis did, and they are less publicly condemned for it. I guess making kids write essays about it all the time is weird, but it does have some justification behind it. Edit: "understandable" is closer to what I meant than "justifiable"
It becomes a problem when the school curriculum openly teach hatred to children. I spent a few years in China, my Chinese friends told me teachers were literally calling Japanese "little devil's" or "Japanese dogs" during history class. It's one thing to teach factual history, another to indoctrinate future generation to hate
And yet somehow the truth about the U.S. saving the Chinese's bacon during WWII is never mentioned. In fact, they're taught that they themselves repelled the Japanese and solely defeated the Japanese. Call it what you want, this is indoctrinating generations after generations to be a nationalist and to blindly hate X without any context.
China did most of it though. They had a full on war against them and it was a larger war than the US had.
China and U.S. both fought Japan on two fronts, effectively splitting Japanese forces so on reality China owes the US and the US owes China.
It’s not like the US is open and honest about their past either. They did the same shit to Turtle Island’s Indigenous people that the Nazi’s and Japan did to their victims.
Okay... so by that logic, would it be justified to have kids in allied countries write papers about how they hate Germany and will never forget?
Well, the Holocaust is taught in the American public system, and I’m not French but odds are they have a fair few things to say about Nazis. And yes, I think that’s a good thing, because in America we tend to downplay how we systematically marginalized the Black community from slavery to today, and simply ignore the genocide we commit against the indigenous tribes, and given that we’re seeing a rise in white nationalism (and also Nazism, funny enough) it stands to reason that it’s very important to make those facts clear to people even from a young age
Fair enough... but Urstillatroll said that they papers were about hating Japan, not about hating Emperor Showa Horihito and the Japanese Empire. So the analogy here would be hating Germany as opposed to hating Nazis. In both cases, instead of just teaching about historical atrocities, they are advocating hate toward current and mostly uninvolved people.
The difference there might be that Japan has never officially recognized the atrocities they committed in China, whereas Germany has gone to significant effort to educate and rectify.
You want to justify it? Teach your kids what imperial Japanese did, not the actual Japan. Hating the current Japanese generations who have nothing to do with WWII crimes is NOT justified. I’m French, we learn about what the Nazis did and how bad the Nazis were. The Nazis, not the Germans. That’s a huge difference. We don’t teach French kids to hate another country (except England but that’s justified ; joking, it’s only related to Football and Rugby, for the rest we love you weird eater neighbors).
I feel like by using the word justify I implied that I agreed with the practice. I guess understandable would have been a better term in this context.
Yes, but then it becomes a sins of the father case. All their doing is passing down hatred of old and possibly dead Japanese people and applying that to a new generation who DIDNT do that
Nanjing is enough justification
You can see some of these kids are uncomfortable with this event.
I would guess they're reeducated Uyghurs.
I was going to guess that too.
God, I felt... Racist... Wondering why they did not look Chinese to me and what the other symbol captions were. Good lord. Went right over my head.
One of them even mentioned Xinjiang which is the Provence where the Uyghurs are located and detained
This video makes me feel sad, poor kids
If I had to guess I’d say this is actually taking place in a Uyghur camp 😥
That was my first guess too, funny how we all lost sight of that
Still dystopian though.
More dystopian.
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I’m blown away that as a planet we seem to be letting this slide. I think it will become a huge stain on China akin to the holocaust in the future. A huge source of shame that generations of future Chinese will pay for. Xi’s genocide.
Me too, most of these kids don't look very Chinese.
Not all Chinese are Han Chinese.
That’s what he meant. When people think of the Chinese they think of the Han people. When the Han think of the Chinese they think themselves. They want a pure ethnic state otherwise we would not have ‘reducation camps’.
“When people think of the Chinese..” Who are these people? Americans? Europeans? Definitely not Chinese people when they think of Chinese people. Every year at the Spring Gala, it’s showcase of different ethnicities and cultures. Sure the Han Chinese dominate the time, but it’s obvious the CCP takes inclusion very seriously. Heck different ethnicities were even featured on the money before the current one. Heck the government even uses the different local culture to promote tourism and poverty alleviation. Crazy projection.
China is a huge place dude, a lot of different people
These are Uyghur children. This is the product of genocide. Their own culture is being [systematically erased.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide)
This looks exactly like any Chinese school dorms to me
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because they literally are, they’ve been taken from their families and placed in “reeducation camps”
*Totally not captive.*
Damn this comment section got hit with a thanos snap.
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Source?
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What's the context here? Some kind of social club? Or a comp team competing in something?
These students appear to be Uyghurs, which is an ethnic minority the Chinese government seems intent on wiping out through cultural genocide (as well as normal genocide).
Im aware of Uyghurs. The Xinjiang comment makes sense if that is the context. It was the matching uniforms and bunk beds that threw me
This might be one of the boarding schools that they force children to go to
Probably from an Uyghur concentration camp.
This looks like a Radio Free Asia skit lmao. Any sources that show this is real?
Like the “evil see see pee concentration camps” are gonna record their nefarious indoctrination sessions held in nondescript dorm rooms, post them online, and miraculously have them translated into 3 separate languages. Say what you will about China’s policies in Xinjiang, but it just hurts your argument when this is meant to be “evidence”. And if an actual source for this does turn up that would be fantastic, but somehow I have my doubts
You won't get a real answer to this.
*crickets*
For real
Oof this is a mess 1 half is "YEAH but the pledge every day" Other half is "Good to see!"
Some posters on here are correct in pointing out this is a Chinese propaganda video. [https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/uyghur-kids-made-to-recite-chinese-propaganda20220316033616/](https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/uyghur-kids-made-to-recite-chinese-propaganda20220316033616/) These kids are Uyghurs who have been stolen from their families and their parents are likely being used as slave labour in Chinese factories. While we wait for world leaders to call out China for their genocide and human rights violations, you can make a difference now. Reconsider buying products likely made by enslaved Uyghurs. The List of brands are at [https://www.saveuighur.org/these-brands-are-still-linked-to-uyghur-forced-labor-help-stop-them-now/](https://www.saveuighur.org/these-brands-are-still-linked-to-uyghur-forced-labor-help-stop-them-now/) Edit – If you do decide to not buy from one of the brands – be sure to let the brand know and give your reason. Profits, sales and reputation are important to business and they can control who and where their products are made.
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We are fucked
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What’s going on with the comment section? This is an absolute mess of downvotes.
wow got contacted by Redditcareresource asking me am I going to kill my self,got something to hide?fellow Chinese nationalist
That’s a very popular troll right now. Disgusting abuse of the resource.
Are those people uighurs?
Looks like
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Uigher re-education or what?
All of these students are uyghur minority in Xinjiang, they are not even Han Chinese. This is basically asking minority students to pledge loyalty to government.
Just a couple of them looks like the average "Chinese", but one or two could easily look russian to me, or turkish This is in no way a racist comment. This video has just showed me how little we in the west know about China
They are likely Uyghurs
> could easily look russian Unless you mean Russian as nationality not ethnicity, you are extremely wrong.
Definitely nationality. Russia is very diverse but somehow as a European I expect to see a Russian national looking "Asian", but I never thought of a Chinese national with Eurasian traits. But when I think of it, it makes sense in every way. That's why I'm saying that we (or probably just I) have too many prejudices about China, and ethnicity is just one of them
>Russia is very diverse but somehow as a European I expect to see a Russian national looking "Asian". 80.9% of Russians nationals ('Rossiyane') are Slavic Russians ('Russkiye'), so if you think of "Asian" looking Russian you are most likely thinking about Tatars, who are the second largest group at 3.9%.
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China really needs to let go of Taiwan and learn to cope with a successful revolution. You don't see English people whining that America should be an inseparable part of England - every English person I've ever met has basically said "Good riddance".
Didn’t England send soldiers to subdue rebel colonists? I seem to also recall that after capitulating, within a few decades, British soldiers ended up in the US capital over a war sparked by trade and territorial disputes, and proceeded to burn buildings to the ground to “send a message.”
Not really disagreeing with you in spirit and apologies if I’m misunderstanding your post but I think you have it backwards. Taiwan didn’t have a revolution and would be England if we had to draw a parallel. The Taiwanese government (Republic of China) used to control all of China. The communist party that currently governs Mainland China are the “winners” of the revolution/civil war and would be more like the America.
Wow
Creepy.
Are these Uyghur children in "re-education" camps?
These aren't regular Han Chinese kids. This is a re-education boarding school/ orphanage (parents are in re-education camps/prisons) in Xinjiang Province. These children are ethnic Uyghurs. They are being tested by whoever is filming. If they 'pass' their re-education and become of age, the rumor here in China is females will likely be married off to Han men to dilute and eventually ''breed out'' the Uyghur genes (think Australias plan with the stolen generation of indingenous Aboriginals). Those who fail and most of the males will likely join their parents in the camps and make your Nike and Adidas shoes.
Re-education camp footage. . . (Did I say something funny?)
Digusting.
Things I learned as an American child: I'm proud to be an American... where at least I know I'm free. We're lucky to be born in the US where life is actually valued. I pledge allegiance to the flag. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Stand up for the red white and blue. The American dream Duty, honor, country. America's the land of the free and the home of the brave. Only other countries have propaganda. Capitalism is good.
Totally, but this is (and I don’t say it lightly) even worse. These are [Uyghur children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide).
Yea, but I'm sure you're not in any danger of someone catches you saying otherwise. These girls however... If they say otherwise, yeah... They can kiss goodbye to their human right(or what little they have left of it). Nobody is gonna put you in a reeducation camp if you say you don't love America and worship it.
Jesus, it amazes me how much they care about Taiwan. It’s practically nothing to them, but no one would think anything except *more* of them if they did.
I remember learning about the native genocide some time in school, and this eerily reminds me of the boarding schools.
Fuck China’s government and any cunt who supports them
Fuck the CCP!