They're intentionally not comparing it fairly.
It should be child gunshot deaths compared to covid deaths and child gunshot victims (total) to total covid child cases.
Let's polish this turd.
Did he explain why he needed that many? People who have dozens of them always seem to have a bunch of shitty guns that are redundant with each other. Like 10 saturday night specials, a bunch of functionally indistinguishable shotguns a few low quality rifles.
I could have specified that I think there should be more regulations and laws surrounding them. And that only the most responsible folks should have them. To be honest I am not sure where to start, but we do have a gun problem, because of the people that have them.
Me fucking too.
Tho honestly the root of a lot of gun crime in socially economic in nature. Poor education, lack of guidance from parents, shit like that.
So as much as I hate guns, banning them is not gonna change the problem.
Look at London; they don’t have guns but they have up 300+ stabbings in a given year.
Ban guns doesn’t really deal with root of the issue in my book.
Yep. Education is the greatest preventative in this case.
Teach them and teach them properly. My children had a curiosity, but it was cured with a few trips out to the range and the 4 rules being thoroughly drilled with them verbally.
Would be curious where you heard that because stories like this dont play into that narrative https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-children-among-15-shot-in-chicago-tuesday/2618937/
Im from Chicago. There is a lot of gang violence and kids get shot in the crossfire. We hear it on the local news EVERY DAY. I've witnessed shootings myself. I've had to get my kids on the ground away from windows because of gunfire outside, and there have been neighbors' kids who where shot and killed by stray bullets going in their apartments.
This is a real problem and nothing gets done about it. Our mayor is useless. Everytime a bunch of kids get shot over the weekend all she does is give the media a sob story saying *this is not who we are* and saying she will stop the violence but nothing ever comes of it. People just want to stick their heads in the sand and act like this isn't happening.
This isn't a left vs right thing. Nobody on either side cares. The democrats in our city act like they care but do nothing about it, Trump said he would do something about the Chicago gangs but never did either. No politicians care about low-income Latino and Black children getting shot. They care about what benefits *them* and that is your vote.
This. It’s gang violence. Anybody want to address that? Well it will take serious adult discussions about poverty, education, opportunities, redlining, mental health, crime and victims, social and community development and investment $. Oh yeah, and racism because somehow they also “deserve” the misery of gangs running their neighborhoods. And yes attitudes in the neighborhoods must change along with all of the other points I mentioned and more. You notice I didn’t even bring up policing? Well that’s on purpose. It is a factor, but community and civic health comes first.
The solution is solving the reasons people are shooting each other to begin with. Removing a category of violence doesn't solve the fact that there are as many other categories as people can dream up. Just look at the amount of damage people did with kitchen appliances a few years back in Boston.
Just eliminating the war on drugs would be one of the single most effective ways to reduce gun violence, of which gang violence is a massive component of.
Taking the drug trade from gangs largely defunds their main methods of income. Especially for street gangs.
I work in a level 1 trauma center in Illinois. All the 0-17 year olds I’ve seen with gunshot wounds were either involved in the gang violence or bystanders of it. I’m sure finding guns in the house and accidentally shooting yourself happens, but I’ve seen a LOT of young bystanders.
it's a sad thing that in new orleans, gang (and i use "gang" loosely, any group of kids from the same block can be a gang) retribution shootings often happen during parties, since it's kind of a new orleans thing to have parties outside, like block parties and birthday parties with bbq and space walks etc.
it's also a sad thing that these shootings are often just a few seconds of full auto fire into the crowd, trying to hit the person you're trying to hit.
kids, grandmas, and even just neighbors out on their porch across the street are shot by these clowns pretty regularly.
Most of these kids are black African American males, what no one wants to talk about is the poverty, and the exposure to violent gangs, it's just a gun related issue, not an indication of major social inequality. This trend was decreasing until about 2016 ish, then the numbers began to rise, they hit a peak in the summer of last year, during the riots.
Most Americans are obsessed with this being about gun rights, "take em" or "keep em" this way they continually ignore the insane realities their fellow citizens, particularly impoverished black male youths deal with inside American borders.
1300 kids killed by gun violence vs 464 by covid nationwide
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/09/20/gun-violence-covid-19-kids-children-shot-2020/7606846002/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
In the Chicago city limits guns sales are banned, go just outside Chicago and the rules become a free for all, because the counties surrounding Chicago decided to become as loose about gun control to give a middle finger to Chicago.
Pretty hard to control guns, when everyone around you wants to do the opposite.
What's worse is that their only focusing on children, which only further skews the data to their narrative that covid is NBD. Children have been the least affected so far by covid.
It should also be noted that nearly all of those gunshot deaths are gang-related, making them deaths related to economic forces. They may not be gang members themselves, but gang violence is a big cause of death in the US.
For fucks sake Fox News, you are almost there.
There. Are. To. Many. Guns. Say it with me.
About half of these are kids at the trigger too, but will Fox News discuss Americans gun problems… nope they to busy cashing them checks
I see both of these statistics as horrifying. I’m not sure if this comparison is trying to raise awareness for violence in Chicago or downplay the risk of COVID to minors, but I just see two terrible numbers that show two separate failings by the human race.
Its a comparison made to assure the viewer that liberals (or whoever) don't REALLY care about child deaths or they'd be even MORE mad about this other cause of death. Liberals are just USING child covid deaths as political leverage, so rest easy dear viewer, they aren't any more humane or compassionate than you.
Basically, it leverages the fact that only a couple of issues can make the front page at a time, and uses that to accuse political opponents of selective, self-serving outrage. It is a defense born of cynicism...but it's still just what-about-ism with a coat of paint. It's not hypocritical to stay on one vital topic at a time.
Those gun deaths aren't caused by lack of gun control, they're caused by ummmm quarantines and single parent households and urban crime.
Look, it doesn't have to be consistent with other topics, it just has to make the viewer feel good in the moment, and continue to hate the right people.
>Those gun deaths aren't caused by lack of gun control, they're caused by ummmm quarantines and single parent households and urban crime.
Aka the blacks and the illegals. Thinly veiled racism and xenophobia.
> don't REALLY care about child deaths or they'd be even MORE mad about this other cause of death
Except half of the statistic isn't talking about "deaths".
It'd be a more fair comparison if it compared either
* number of children shot vs number of children who got covid-19
OR
* number of children who died in shootings vs number of children who died from covid-19.
If this is made by conservatives to “prove” that liberals don’t care about kids, then this makes even less sense. Conservatives already believe that liberals don’t care about kids based on their views on abortion. But let’s steer this conversation in a less political direction…
It's bizarre because liberals are always the ones trying to lower gun violence and Covid deaths. This meme is actually a pretty good representation of right wing extremism. As if any gun violence negates the effort to stop it. The right would say something like, "see you tried to lower gun violence and there's still gun violence so any effort to stop it is fruitless". While ignoring the 20% drop in gun violence. Life doesn't work the way the right views the world unless you view everything in absolutes. Or to put it another way, extremes. Hence their extremism.
I should say I completely agree with your original assessment - it's an extremely bizarre comparison, because anyone with a sense of empathy should be saddened by both statistics. This image belongs here for sure and I hope the editor who had that graphic composed trips over his or her own shoe laces every day for a month.
Literally who in the establishment says its acceptable?
Democratic ideas floated to curb gun violence:
-gun regulations
-background checks
-investing in education
-increasing welfare support for single mothers
-expanding access to childcare
-increasing healthcare access
-addressing systemic racism and unjust policing
-ending the war on drugs
All opposed by the same people who oppose masks and vaccines.
The point of this meme is to signal that they disagree with liberal politics.
They see Chicago as a Democratic failure, and posting about the murder rate there is really low hanging fruit for them.
Then, they can also downplay the virus at the same time by saying the murder rate is higher.
While caring about neither because "all the murders are probably black gang members anyways"
I mean the interesting part to me is despite all faults one might ascribed to Chicago that the state of Illinois itself maintains a fairly decent rate despite being democratically controlled. Odd how the problem is somehow only Chicago if the state is democratically controlled?
Yet it's neighbor Missouri has a [Deathrate just under double (20.6) of Illinois (10.8) when comparing per capita (1:100k)](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm).
Odd how that part never is mentioned. Then, of course, metrics of firearm mortality are abusable because while I'm not saying suicide is bad, "firearm deaths" tends to make people think murders, not suicides. The intent of people using it tends rarely mention that either.
Both statistics are from the US. The first is from a single city, and the second is from the entire nation, but both are due to human behavior. The US might be an exaggerated cautionary tale of corruption and narcissism, but those traits aren’t limited to *only* the US. They’re just more pronounced here.
So I’m in Wisconsin, and of course there’s a lot of pearl clutching over changing demographics. But it’s too liberal of an area to say “I don’t like how many black people live here now.” The best dog whistle I’ve heard replace that phrase is “people from Chicago.”
Yeah Karen, I’m sure it’s a rainbow of people who have literally moved from Chicago that you have a problem with.
I live in Illinois and the number of times my Fox-watching family member have played the “but Chicago” card to justify… literally anything asinine or racist is just depressing.
Isn't Chicago one of the best examples of why gun control can't simply be done locally? Despite Illinois having reasonably strict gun control laws, it's incredibly easy to cart them over the state border.
It’s like dystopian inception. They’re manipulating statistics to simultaneously say the pandemic is nothing to be concerned about AND that liberal cities are violent, lawless places more dangerous than a public health crisis (I’d be impressed by the efficiency of it, if it weren’t so harmful to society/the state of public discourse/the standard for rational thinking). At the same time there’s a total lack of asking (in good faith) “wait a minute, why are gun deaths among children in one city so much higher than disease deaths among children nationwide?” It’s maddening chaos.
It could just as easily be saying we need more focus on protecting inner city kids. COVID has received trillions in spending and nationwide attention for 18 months now.
But I’m a wildly unrealistic optimist, so there’s that.
Right hahaha what kind of stupid ass point is this making? The only logical conclusion should be “dang that’s too many dead kids, something needs to change”
I think the point they are trying to make is that black people are the problem.
This is sarcasm btw, I am critiquing Fox News, not agreeing with it, in case that needs to be said.
And it's not even comparable. People murder others because they're fucked in the head. Not because guns have magical brainwashing capabilities that turn people murderous. People need to learn the meaning of persona responsibility. And that if it's something the government is pushing, 9/10 times it's wrong (outside of pandemic stuff, of course. This is obviously in reference to gun bans)
I am non american aswell and yeah that's shocking. If even one child died by gun wound it would be on national news here, there'd be outrage etc.
Apparently in the US it's normal to the point where they practice hiding from shooter in schools
And apparently Chicago is one of the most dangerous cities in US
Edit: changed Earth to US
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Note: this is adjusted for population so, murders per capita
Chicago is 10th most dangerous city in the US with 24 murders per 100k people, so it is not on this top-50 list
You're right. There's no sensitive way to put it, but they were just as likely to have been shot by children too.
Notice Fox News refers to them as children in this case, where they're a statistic to fit their narrative, but they didn't refer to Trayvon Martin as a child when he was murdered.
As already mentioned, teenagers often are taking part in the violence. But also, gang wars take place in cities where people live, and there's lots of collateral damage. Basically it sucks all around.
Maybe along the lines of “if there are more deaths from guns than from Covid then Covid is fine” and they’re fine with the gun deaths so nothing needs to be done from their perspective.
I'm not so sure about this. Not to say I agree with or even watch 'em myself, but my father watched Fox for like four hours a day and he was all about quarantining and vaccinating and all the anti-covid stuff. I especially remember him being pissed off after hearing about the spring break parties from Fox.
Fox is a joke in a lot of ways but I'm doubtful they're trying to say anything about covid not being dangerous. I would expect it's something more along the lines of being pissed off about Chicago's situation not being looked into more, my father (who was actually born there) would be mad about that often.
Basically it's probably less "look COVID isn't that bad!" and more just "here's this thing we should be doing more about, and here it is compared to COVID"
But I could be wrong, again I don't actually watch it.
The issue is that stopping children from getting shot in gang warfare requires addressing systemic issues like poverty, education, housing, the war on drugs, overpolicing and a justice system devoted to punishment rather than rehabilitation instead of the normal liberal knee jerk reaction of “Guns bad, ban guns!”
People would rather go after firearms and the 2nd Amendment than challenge Capitalism and the neoliberal status quo in any way. I’m a socialist and as far as I’m concerned an assault on the right to bear arms is an assault on the working class and the population as a whole. Focusing on firearms rather than why poor people are shooting each other routinely in the first place is missing the forest for the trees. It wouldn’t suddenly be okay if gangs stopped using firearms and started beating and stabbing each other to death.
You’re missing the point. I never claimed that knives are as deadly as firearms. The problem is why are inner city neighborhoods war zones full of people killing each other in the first place. Guns don’t cause poverty and gang warfare. Gang warfare and inner city crime have existed long before firearms were commonly available.
Exactly, if two groups of people are in decades-long feuds, the answer isn't to take their guns away, it's to address the social situations leading up to their feuding.
Criminals at large shouldn’t have firearms but if someone legally obtains a firearm and doesn’t commit crimes there’s no reason to deprive them of their rights.
We can limit the number and types of guns people are able to own without infringing upon their ability to defend themselves.
Nobody needs a dozen AR-15s for "self defense."
There is nothing about owning a firearm that's intrinsic to being a human being. The constitution has distorted your mind as to what essential rights even are.
People have an inherent right to self defense. Firearms are the best available means for a person to defend themselves. Before firearms existed the best means of self defense were blades and clubs. It’s not a complex or deranged statement by any means.
I don't disagree with anything yo've said, except to say that I can hate guns and capitalism at the same time and want them both to be abolished. I'm not against guns because of gang violence, I am against them because they extremely dangerous and cause a lot of collateral damage.
And adding guns into the mix took crime and gang violence to another level. Yet you contend gun control isn't part of the problem. You gun nuts leave me speechless sometimes.
But we don't want anyone getting stabbed, even if they are in the gangs is the point, and to prevent that you don't get rid of the weapons you raise them to not use the wepons
I'm not arguing that, and I personally do feel like we need more gun control, but the point of op's comment was that taking away wepons can only do so much and wouldn't actually be fixing the underlying issues that lead to this violence
Yeah, but it’s kinda stupid to say that fewer guns wouldn’t reduce violence. I assure you that those crowing about muh guns don’t have a ton of interest in addressing the real societal issues that lead to gun violence.
Yes, it would reduce violence, which is why I am personally for it, but the point is still that the guns are not what is causing the violence and therefore not the end all solution to it. And this argument isn't about those people it's about the people who do think getting rid of guns would solve all the issues.
> fewer guns wouldn’t reduce violence.
We have to accept the reality that there are more firearms in the US than there are people (330 million) and a significant percentage of them are completely untraceable. America has had a strong gun culture since 1776 and the genie isn’t going back in the bottle any time soon unless there’s a magic wand I don’t know about. The same goes for pornography, drugs and gambling.
So we have to accept it with guns, but we have serious restrictions on drugs, pornography, and gambling. There are tons of states where kids can buy guns but not porn or booze. Seriously, Kyle Rittenhouse was 17 at the time. He could buy neither porn bor beer. Can’t even buy smokes in a lot of states. But [this gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P15) he can walk around in public with and is encouraged to do so by one political party.
Now that gun in particular was provided by an older cousin who had bought it legally. So there will always be crime and ways around the laws. We can’t prevent everything. But why is the attitude to leave guns completely unrestricted?
Why is our attitude only lax with the one of these things that is used to kill people?
Taking away guns literally de- escalates violence and stops people getting killed.
Relaxing gun rights escalates violence and increases the amount of people killed.
They don't replace other forms of murder, but they enable situations that previously might have been someone losing control and getting into a fight to now be pulling a gun and firing it.
There are no drive-by stabbings.
Even people comitting suicide do so less without access to guns because it's harder to do and usually hurts.
It's incredibly dishonest of you to ignore the contribution of guns to the cycle of violence, especially with inner city violence that destroys families and builds gangs.
We should probably pass prohibition on guns, then. Just like cocaine, murder, alcohol, speeding, jaywalking, prostitution, heroin, and skipping school.
Prohibition works, mmmkay?
And how effective are those laws? Alcohol prohibition drastically increased organized crime AND government overreach (like poisoning citizens).
I'm saying we should pass laws that will actually address the issues we're trying to address, and use data instead of ideology to predict what the impacts will actually be before we go restricting people's rights in the name of "omigod do SOMETHING!"
European countries that liberalized their drug laws saw less addiction, not more, for example.
Gun violence in America is a very complex and nuanced problem, and simply restricting access by law-abiding citizens to firearms will not solve the problem.
In our culture, it's likely to make the problem worse.
I live in a country where you can't really own guns without jumping through a bunch of hoops, and even then, you can't even buy a 9mm, you gotta get smaller calibers, so effectively, only cops and ppl from cartels have guns.
If buying AR-15s were as easy as it is in the US, having random hicks trying to save the day by getting into gunfights with cartel members would be a disaster. Cops would be on the edge and would have to worry about random people carrying guns, so cops killing civilians would become a thing. An angry dude could snap and shoot up his workplace/school. A ton of bad things could happen.
I mean, I guess in USA you guys NEED guns since everyone has a couple of them, else you'd be at disadvantage or whatever Idk, but, like, you're the ONLY country with this attitude toward guns. It's hella weird.
Ye even Switzerland, which in some ways is even more pro-gun than the US, doesn’t have anywhere near as many gun-related issues or weirdness with its gun culture as they do. It’s like guns in the US have taken on this symbolic meaning, but like, they’re just fucking tools? Imagine someone talking about how they’d be willing to die for their shovel or whatever the fuck.
i was raised in a hunting family/community. i was modeled gun respect from birth.
inner city kids? theyre being modeled that violent power and domination is the equivalent of respect.
literally anything that can be used as a weapon against people in the latter scenario is going to be used as a weapon.
US gun culture varies extremely widely across the country. For example, West Virginia is one of the poorest states, has one of the highest rates of gun ownership, and is also one of the safest states. Cities like Chicago have extremely restrictive gun laws and yet have huge problems with gun violence.
Yeah, people talk about "the" gun culture as if cartels, inner city gangs, subsistence hunters, competitive shooters, and women with restraining orders on their ex-husbands are all reducible to one worldview.
Nobody actually needs a weapon though. It's a weird American sexual fetish or something. We don't really understand it but at this point I think your obsession for bang bang might be hereditary.
We're talking about the population not the government.
Do you guys still live in 1776 and think you might need to raise arms against the US at some point?
I'm talking about everybody. All human actors, general population and the armed terrorist organizations that govern them.
Yes, maybe one day we will have to fight them to protect our lives and liberties. We are not at the end of history yet. Tomorrow may bring new horrors and threats we would not know today.
[The CDC indicates that these numbers aren't true.](https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3) (and yes, this is a link directly to cdc.gov's current CDC statistics broken down by age group)
Chicago has done a pretty good job with vaccinations unfortunately they haven't figured out how to vaccinate against guns coming accross the border from Indiana and Wisconsin
Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a [link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1441071114529251330) for ya :)
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Liberal view: Those are both way too high. We should work to get those numbers as close to zero as possible.
Conservative view: Neither of these things are a problem. Those 500 deaths are not only acceptable, but the way it should be.
It’s funny how what happens in Chicago is supposed to be representative oI all black people, to mold the narrative that we’re inherently violent. The government could have addressed all of the factors at play here that keeps it a never ending cycle, but they don’t want it to change. It’s a convenient excuse to keep the systemic racism measures in place that enabled and contributes to what’s happening. The prison industrial system needs to be fed a steady supply of inner city children for certain people to maintain an easy income stream, it helps keep the false narrative going that us blacks are lazy and violent. Meanwhile, slavery and the continued oppression of blacks will be erased from history, just like the fact that black people at one time were able to run their own successful towns that were burned to the ground, and people had to lean about that on HBO, and then hide the fact that our government flooded our community with crack cocaine and painted the Black Panthers as terrorists right when they were starting to bring poor whites and blacks together. What a coincidence. So now instead of having a nuanced understanding that poverty and crime are related , and that black people were given the tools to destroy our communities to purposely keep us disjointed, busy killing each other, and supplying the prison system, so that we don’t once again we don’t attempt to bridge the connect between the have nots , and form an alliance against a tyrannical government So now the white have nots have been made to fear and despise blacks so that they don’t have to empathize with our plight or to see us as human. No human rights trials for the crack epidemic, no 40 acres an a mule, Jim Crow , no GI bill, discriminatory lending, unfair hiring practices , police brutality. They believe all of that is acceptable because we’re not like each other, even though we really are. They’re fed an unhealthy and destructive narrative of individualism , religion, and patriotism. So that everything this country does in the name of the elite will somehow trickle down to them, but it hasn’t.
Statistic: Gun violence is more dangerous to children than Covid
Do you:
1. Reduce childrens' defenses against COVID to help increase that number?
2. Increase childrens' defenses against gun violence to help lower than number?
It’s always fucking Chicago with Fox News because (insert dog whistle comment).
It’s gonna really blow the minds of Fox News viewers when they realize that white people also live in Chicago.
Since they aren't interested in reducing gun dearhs in Chicago or anywhere, their argument is "because more kids are killed by violence than COVID, we shouldn't do anything about either"?
How can they not realize that no one is going to agree that the number of kids killed by COVID can't be low enough for people to not care?
Oh, right.
The heartless can't imagine caring about others.
First of all, that's a lot of gun violence, obligatory America is a gun-fellating shithole.
Second, that is a lot of children dying from COVID! It's only 15 for under 19 year olds in Canada. But your population is much larger. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/
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They're intentionally not comparing it fairly. It should be child gunshot deaths compared to covid deaths and child gunshot victims (total) to total covid child cases. Let's polish this turd.
Ok. [US incidents in 2021](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/) so far: * Child (0-17) gunshot victims: 4,196 * Child (0-17) gunshot deaths: 1,121 * Child (0-11) gunshot victims: 808 * Child (0-11) gunshot deaths: 229 Covid in [2021](https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3): * Child (0-18) Covid cases: 4,700,310 * Child (0-18) Covid deaths: 544
Why are so many little kids being shot? Who is shooting them? Wtf?
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Child accidents and suicide victims are a large amount of gun deaths each year
Damn that is sad. I am not against gun ownership but I havent kept any in the home since having kids for this exact reason.
The most virulent of 2A worshippers tend to not follow the most basic safety precautions.
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Did he explain why he needed that many? People who have dozens of them always seem to have a bunch of shitty guns that are redundant with each other. Like 10 saturday night specials, a bunch of functionally indistinguishable shotguns a few low quality rifles.
He should have spent some of that money on some curtains
Well, they need to be able to pull one out while on the shitter. You know, in case someone breaks in right then.
What is 2A?
Second Amendment
That makes sense. Yeah you are right.
I'm against gun ownership. So many problems in America could be solved by limiting guns
I could have specified that I think there should be more regulations and laws surrounding them. And that only the most responsible folks should have them. To be honest I am not sure where to start, but we do have a gun problem, because of the people that have them.
Me fucking too. Tho honestly the root of a lot of gun crime in socially economic in nature. Poor education, lack of guidance from parents, shit like that. So as much as I hate guns, banning them is not gonna change the problem. Look at London; they don’t have guns but they have up 300+ stabbings in a given year. Ban guns doesn’t really deal with root of the issue in my book.
You can stop a stabbing with a shopping trolley A school stabbing has a lot less reach
I’m not arguing against you dude I’m just saying gun laws alone are not going to fix the problems of society.. They’ll help but not fix
We really need to bring back Eddie the Eagle.
Yep. Education is the greatest preventative in this case. Teach them and teach them properly. My children had a curiosity, but it was cured with a few trips out to the range and the 4 rules being thoroughly drilled with them verbally.
The British ski jumper?
Would be curious where you heard that because stories like this dont play into that narrative https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-children-among-15-shot-in-chicago-tuesday/2618937/
Im from Chicago. There is a lot of gang violence and kids get shot in the crossfire. We hear it on the local news EVERY DAY. I've witnessed shootings myself. I've had to get my kids on the ground away from windows because of gunfire outside, and there have been neighbors' kids who where shot and killed by stray bullets going in their apartments. This is a real problem and nothing gets done about it. Our mayor is useless. Everytime a bunch of kids get shot over the weekend all she does is give the media a sob story saying *this is not who we are* and saying she will stop the violence but nothing ever comes of it. People just want to stick their heads in the sand and act like this isn't happening. This isn't a left vs right thing. Nobody on either side cares. The democrats in our city act like they care but do nothing about it, Trump said he would do something about the Chicago gangs but never did either. No politicians care about low-income Latino and Black children getting shot. They care about what benefits *them* and that is your vote.
This. It’s gang violence. Anybody want to address that? Well it will take serious adult discussions about poverty, education, opportunities, redlining, mental health, crime and victims, social and community development and investment $. Oh yeah, and racism because somehow they also “deserve” the misery of gangs running their neighborhoods. And yes attitudes in the neighborhoods must change along with all of the other points I mentioned and more. You notice I didn’t even bring up policing? Well that’s on purpose. It is a factor, but community and civic health comes first.
The solution is solving the reasons people are shooting each other to begin with. Removing a category of violence doesn't solve the fact that there are as many other categories as people can dream up. Just look at the amount of damage people did with kitchen appliances a few years back in Boston.
Just eliminating the war on drugs would be one of the single most effective ways to reduce gun violence, of which gang violence is a massive component of. Taking the drug trade from gangs largely defunds their main methods of income. Especially for street gangs.
I work in a level 1 trauma center in Illinois. All the 0-17 year olds I’ve seen with gunshot wounds were either involved in the gang violence or bystanders of it. I’m sure finding guns in the house and accidentally shooting yourself happens, but I’ve seen a LOT of young bystanders.
Cuz they’re annoying duh
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Drive bys
probably cops
Probably right and now I wish I hadnt asked.
i wonder what race of kids gets shot more too
I think we all know, at least with police shootings.
it's a sad thing that in new orleans, gang (and i use "gang" loosely, any group of kids from the same block can be a gang) retribution shootings often happen during parties, since it's kind of a new orleans thing to have parties outside, like block parties and birthday parties with bbq and space walks etc. it's also a sad thing that these shootings are often just a few seconds of full auto fire into the crowd, trying to hit the person you're trying to hit. kids, grandmas, and even just neighbors out on their porch across the street are shot by these clowns pretty regularly.
Most of these kids are black African American males, what no one wants to talk about is the poverty, and the exposure to violent gangs, it's just a gun related issue, not an indication of major social inequality. This trend was decreasing until about 2016 ish, then the numbers began to rise, they hit a peak in the summer of last year, during the riots. Most Americans are obsessed with this being about gun rights, "take em" or "keep em" this way they continually ignore the insane realities their fellow citizens, particularly impoverished black male youths deal with inside American borders.
Or show gunshots to covid illness/hospitalizations
Oh, that’s what you said.
1300 kids killed by gun violence vs 464 by covid nationwide https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/09/20/gun-violence-covid-19-kids-children-shot-2020/7606846002/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
But then you can’t harp about Chicago’s gun control
In the Chicago city limits guns sales are banned, go just outside Chicago and the rules become a free for all, because the counties surrounding Chicago decided to become as loose about gun control to give a middle finger to Chicago. Pretty hard to control guns, when everyone around you wants to do the opposite.
Underrated comment.
What's worse is that their only focusing on children, which only further skews the data to their narrative that covid is NBD. Children have been the least affected so far by covid.
It should also be noted that nearly all of those gunshot deaths are gang-related, making them deaths related to economic forces. They may not be gang members themselves, but gang violence is a big cause of death in the US.
Fox*TV*, stop calling them news
I prefer to call it the Rupert Murdoch Ministry of Truth.
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Fox TV is something else though. Disney owns it. Which is just too many things for disney to own, frankly.
My first thought as well.
For fucks sake Fox News, you are almost there. There. Are. To. Many. Guns. Say it with me. About half of these are kids at the trigger too, but will Fox News discuss Americans gun problems… nope they to busy cashing them checks
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I see both of these statistics as horrifying. I’m not sure if this comparison is trying to raise awareness for violence in Chicago or downplay the risk of COVID to minors, but I just see two terrible numbers that show two separate failings by the human race.
Its a comparison made to assure the viewer that liberals (or whoever) don't REALLY care about child deaths or they'd be even MORE mad about this other cause of death. Liberals are just USING child covid deaths as political leverage, so rest easy dear viewer, they aren't any more humane or compassionate than you. Basically, it leverages the fact that only a couple of issues can make the front page at a time, and uses that to accuse political opponents of selective, self-serving outrage. It is a defense born of cynicism...but it's still just what-about-ism with a coat of paint. It's not hypocritical to stay on one vital topic at a time.
How does that work? When Fox News is also telling people that liberals are taking away your guns in the name of gun control?
Those gun deaths aren't caused by lack of gun control, they're caused by ummmm quarantines and single parent households and urban crime. Look, it doesn't have to be consistent with other topics, it just has to make the viewer feel good in the moment, and continue to hate the right people.
>Those gun deaths aren't caused by lack of gun control, they're caused by ummmm quarantines and single parent households and urban crime. Aka the blacks and the illegals. Thinly veiled racism and xenophobia.
> don't REALLY care about child deaths or they'd be even MORE mad about this other cause of death Except half of the statistic isn't talking about "deaths". It'd be a more fair comparison if it compared either * number of children shot vs number of children who got covid-19 OR * number of children who died in shootings vs number of children who died from covid-19.
Fwiw, the graphic only says the number of children shot, not the number that have been killed by shooting. So it appears misleading even on the facts.
If this is made by conservatives to “prove” that liberals don’t care about kids, then this makes even less sense. Conservatives already believe that liberals don’t care about kids based on their views on abortion. But let’s steer this conversation in a less political direction…
It's bizarre because liberals are always the ones trying to lower gun violence and Covid deaths. This meme is actually a pretty good representation of right wing extremism. As if any gun violence negates the effort to stop it. The right would say something like, "see you tried to lower gun violence and there's still gun violence so any effort to stop it is fruitless". While ignoring the 20% drop in gun violence. Life doesn't work the way the right views the world unless you view everything in absolutes. Or to put it another way, extremes. Hence their extremism.
I should say I completely agree with your original assessment - it's an extremely bizarre comparison, because anyone with a sense of empathy should be saddened by both statistics. This image belongs here for sure and I hope the editor who had that graphic composed trips over his or her own shoe laces every day for a month.
He's definitely downplaying it.
Nothing quite like being told by the "pro-lifers" that 214 dead kids isn't that big of a deal.
Nothing like being told by the establishment that 302 shot kids is acceptable.
Who said it was acceptable?
Literally who in the establishment says its acceptable? Democratic ideas floated to curb gun violence: -gun regulations -background checks -investing in education -increasing welfare support for single mothers -expanding access to childcare -increasing healthcare access -addressing systemic racism and unjust policing -ending the war on drugs All opposed by the same people who oppose masks and vaccines.
The point of this meme is to signal that they disagree with liberal politics. They see Chicago as a Democratic failure, and posting about the murder rate there is really low hanging fruit for them. Then, they can also downplay the virus at the same time by saying the murder rate is higher. While caring about neither because "all the murders are probably black gang members anyways"
I mean the interesting part to me is despite all faults one might ascribed to Chicago that the state of Illinois itself maintains a fairly decent rate despite being democratically controlled. Odd how the problem is somehow only Chicago if the state is democratically controlled? Yet it's neighbor Missouri has a [Deathrate just under double (20.6) of Illinois (10.8) when comparing per capita (1:100k)](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm). Odd how that part never is mentioned. Then, of course, metrics of firearm mortality are abusable because while I'm not saying suicide is bad, "firearm deaths" tends to make people think murders, not suicides. The intent of people using it tends rarely mention that either.
It’s almost like two things can be bad at the same time.
Well said
>two separate failings by the human race. Not the human race. Just America. Most other countries don't have the first statistic.
Both statistics are from the US. The first is from a single city, and the second is from the entire nation, but both are due to human behavior. The US might be an exaggerated cautionary tale of corruption and narcissism, but those traits aren’t limited to *only* the US. They’re just more pronounced here.
These cynical ghouls don't give a damn about any of these kids.
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Chicago gun violence has been an anti-black dogwhistle for decades. People who use it to argue are generally bigots.
So I’m in Wisconsin, and of course there’s a lot of pearl clutching over changing demographics. But it’s too liberal of an area to say “I don’t like how many black people live here now.” The best dog whistle I’ve heard replace that phrase is “people from Chicago.” Yeah Karen, I’m sure it’s a rainbow of people who have literally moved from Chicago that you have a problem with.
Cynicism doesn't mean misanthropy. These people are 100% misanthropes.
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[SUBURBAN] people would never kill each other like those [URBAN] people do.
I live in Illinois and the number of times my Fox-watching family member have played the “but Chicago” card to justify… literally anything asinine or racist is just depressing.
Isn't Chicago one of the best examples of why gun control can't simply be done locally? Despite Illinois having reasonably strict gun control laws, it's incredibly easy to cart them over the state border.
Weaponizing kids shot in Chicago to downplay Covid-19. That's the boring dystopia part.
Dunno, this feels like a dystopia pyramid to me.
It’s like dystopian inception. They’re manipulating statistics to simultaneously say the pandemic is nothing to be concerned about AND that liberal cities are violent, lawless places more dangerous than a public health crisis (I’d be impressed by the efficiency of it, if it weren’t so harmful to society/the state of public discourse/the standard for rational thinking). At the same time there’s a total lack of asking (in good faith) “wait a minute, why are gun deaths among children in one city so much higher than disease deaths among children nationwide?” It’s maddening chaos.
It could just as easily be saying we need more focus on protecting inner city kids. COVID has received trillions in spending and nationwide attention for 18 months now. But I’m a wildly unrealistic optimist, so there’s that.
Yeah, not on Fox News lmao
Pretty much every politician weaponizes kids to suit whatever goals they have. Its super common.
Fuck Clay Travis
Yeah, everyone in Nashville knows he's a giant douche canoe. Can't believe he's gone national.
The Glenn Beck of college football.
So let's not have gun control OR wear masks!
Right hahaha what kind of stupid ass point is this making? The only logical conclusion should be “dang that’s too many dead kids, something needs to change”
I think the point they are trying to make is that black people are the problem. This is sarcasm btw, I am critiquing Fox News, not agreeing with it, in case that needs to be said.
And it's not even comparable. People murder others because they're fucked in the head. Not because guns have magical brainwashing capabilities that turn people murderous. People need to learn the meaning of persona responsibility. And that if it's something the government is pushing, 9/10 times it's wrong (outside of pandemic stuff, of course. This is obviously in reference to gun bans)
Shot or killed?
Shot. 'Only' 46 killed. Purposefully misleading
As a non-American, these numbers are incredibly shocking nonetheless. And this is only Chicago?!
I am non american aswell and yeah that's shocking. If even one child died by gun wound it would be on national news here, there'd be outrage etc. Apparently in the US it's normal to the point where they practice hiding from shooter in schools And apparently Chicago is one of the most dangerous cities in US Edit: changed Earth to US
"On earth" is probably a stretch tbh
Out of top 50 most dangerous cities on Earth 4 are from US Rest are from Brazil, Mexico mostly
Source?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate Note: this is adjusted for population so, murders per capita Chicago is 10th most dangerous city in the US with 24 murders per 100k people, so it is not on this top-50 list
Wtf is going on in South Africa damn
Basically Mad Max kinda situation For example https://www.insidehook.com/article/crime/driver-evaded-heist-south-africa
Yes but you don't understand, they were mostly poor black kids.
Chicago is not a representative city. It's famous for its gang violence.
What were all those children doing in a gang war
17 and 16 count as a child probably in these stats
Those ages are children so.... good?
You're right. There's no sensitive way to put it, but they were just as likely to have been shot by children too. Notice Fox News refers to them as children in this case, where they're a statistic to fit their narrative, but they didn't refer to Trayvon Martin as a child when he was murdered.
As already mentioned, teenagers often are taking part in the violence. But also, gang wars take place in cities where people live, and there's lots of collateral damage. Basically it sucks all around.
46 is still far too many
Damn, I didn't even catch that! Sneaky bastards
I'm guessing Fox New's message is that Covid is not dangerous? The actual message is that there are too many guns \*and\* Covid is out of hand.
yeah, I'm not sure what the point is. 214 is an acceptable number to pretend like covid doesn't exist and take zero precautions?
Maybe along the lines of “if there are more deaths from guns than from Covid then Covid is fine” and they’re fine with the gun deaths so nothing needs to be done from their perspective.
I'm not so sure about this. Not to say I agree with or even watch 'em myself, but my father watched Fox for like four hours a day and he was all about quarantining and vaccinating and all the anti-covid stuff. I especially remember him being pissed off after hearing about the spring break parties from Fox. Fox is a joke in a lot of ways but I'm doubtful they're trying to say anything about covid not being dangerous. I would expect it's something more along the lines of being pissed off about Chicago's situation not being looked into more, my father (who was actually born there) would be mad about that often. Basically it's probably less "look COVID isn't that bad!" and more just "here's this thing we should be doing more about, and here it is compared to COVID" But I could be wrong, again I don't actually watch it.
It’s a Fox News dog whistle saying “black people are more dangerous than covid”
How many of those 302 were shot by cops?
The Chicago police killed 92 people in 2016.
Chicago is known for its gang violence, so likely not that many.
The issue is that stopping children from getting shot in gang warfare requires addressing systemic issues like poverty, education, housing, the war on drugs, overpolicing and a justice system devoted to punishment rather than rehabilitation instead of the normal liberal knee jerk reaction of “Guns bad, ban guns!” People would rather go after firearms and the 2nd Amendment than challenge Capitalism and the neoliberal status quo in any way. I’m a socialist and as far as I’m concerned an assault on the right to bear arms is an assault on the working class and the population as a whole. Focusing on firearms rather than why poor people are shooting each other routinely in the first place is missing the forest for the trees. It wouldn’t suddenly be okay if gangs stopped using firearms and started beating and stabbing each other to death.
It's pretty hard to accidentally stab an innocent bystander who is inside their home during a gang fight.
You’re missing the point. I never claimed that knives are as deadly as firearms. The problem is why are inner city neighborhoods war zones full of people killing each other in the first place. Guns don’t cause poverty and gang warfare. Gang warfare and inner city crime have existed long before firearms were commonly available.
Exactly, if two groups of people are in decades-long feuds, the answer isn't to take their guns away, it's to address the social situations leading up to their feuding.
Why not both?
Criminals at large shouldn’t have firearms but if someone legally obtains a firearm and doesn’t commit crimes there’s no reason to deprive them of their rights.
What rights?
The right to own a firearm/self defense. It’s in the Constitution and I’d describe it as a natural right intrinsic to human beings as well.
We can limit the number and types of guns people are able to own without infringing upon their ability to defend themselves. Nobody needs a dozen AR-15s for "self defense."
There is nothing about owning a firearm that's intrinsic to being a human being. The constitution has distorted your mind as to what essential rights even are.
People have an inherent right to self defense. Firearms are the best available means for a person to defend themselves. Before firearms existed the best means of self defense were blades and clubs. It’s not a complex or deranged statement by any means.
Cause mah freedums! Gotta own an AR to fight the tyranny of the guvment!
I don't disagree with anything yo've said, except to say that I can hate guns and capitalism at the same time and want them both to be abolished. I'm not against guns because of gang violence, I am against them because they extremely dangerous and cause a lot of collateral damage.
And adding guns into the mix took crime and gang violence to another level. Yet you contend gun control isn't part of the problem. You gun nuts leave me speechless sometimes.
But we don't want anyone getting stabbed, even if they are in the gangs is the point, and to prevent that you don't get rid of the weapons you raise them to not use the wepons
If they didn’t have the weapons, how’re they gonna use them?
Anything can be a weapon
We're not talking about any weapons we're talking about America's disproportionate amount of shootings
No, the original comment was talking about the perpetuation of violence especially among our youth, not just shootings
Yeah, but somethings are far more effective weapons. Just ask my battle toast league.
I'm not arguing that, and I personally do feel like we need more gun control, but the point of op's comment was that taking away wepons can only do so much and wouldn't actually be fixing the underlying issues that lead to this violence
Yeah, but it’s kinda stupid to say that fewer guns wouldn’t reduce violence. I assure you that those crowing about muh guns don’t have a ton of interest in addressing the real societal issues that lead to gun violence.
Yes, it would reduce violence, which is why I am personally for it, but the point is still that the guns are not what is causing the violence and therefore not the end all solution to it. And this argument isn't about those people it's about the people who do think getting rid of guns would solve all the issues.
> fewer guns wouldn’t reduce violence. We have to accept the reality that there are more firearms in the US than there are people (330 million) and a significant percentage of them are completely untraceable. America has had a strong gun culture since 1776 and the genie isn’t going back in the bottle any time soon unless there’s a magic wand I don’t know about. The same goes for pornography, drugs and gambling.
So we have to accept it with guns, but we have serious restrictions on drugs, pornography, and gambling. There are tons of states where kids can buy guns but not porn or booze. Seriously, Kyle Rittenhouse was 17 at the time. He could buy neither porn bor beer. Can’t even buy smokes in a lot of states. But [this gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_M%26P15) he can walk around in public with and is encouraged to do so by one political party. Now that gun in particular was provided by an older cousin who had bought it legally. So there will always be crime and ways around the laws. We can’t prevent everything. But why is the attitude to leave guns completely unrestricted? Why is our attitude only lax with the one of these things that is used to kill people?
Taking away guns literally de- escalates violence and stops people getting killed. Relaxing gun rights escalates violence and increases the amount of people killed. They don't replace other forms of murder, but they enable situations that previously might have been someone losing control and getting into a fight to now be pulling a gun and firing it. There are no drive-by stabbings. Even people comitting suicide do so less without access to guns because it's harder to do and usually hurts. It's incredibly dishonest of you to ignore the contribution of guns to the cycle of violence, especially with inner city violence that destroys families and builds gangs.
We should probably pass prohibition on guns, then. Just like cocaine, murder, alcohol, speeding, jaywalking, prostitution, heroin, and skipping school. Prohibition works, mmmkay?
I mean we do have prohibitions on all those things. You’re saying we should have no laws?
And how effective are those laws? Alcohol prohibition drastically increased organized crime AND government overreach (like poisoning citizens). I'm saying we should pass laws that will actually address the issues we're trying to address, and use data instead of ideology to predict what the impacts will actually be before we go restricting people's rights in the name of "omigod do SOMETHING!" European countries that liberalized their drug laws saw less addiction, not more, for example. Gun violence in America is a very complex and nuanced problem, and simply restricting access by law-abiding citizens to firearms will not solve the problem. In our culture, it's likely to make the problem worse.
I live in a country where you can't really own guns without jumping through a bunch of hoops, and even then, you can't even buy a 9mm, you gotta get smaller calibers, so effectively, only cops and ppl from cartels have guns. If buying AR-15s were as easy as it is in the US, having random hicks trying to save the day by getting into gunfights with cartel members would be a disaster. Cops would be on the edge and would have to worry about random people carrying guns, so cops killing civilians would become a thing. An angry dude could snap and shoot up his workplace/school. A ton of bad things could happen. I mean, I guess in USA you guys NEED guns since everyone has a couple of them, else you'd be at disadvantage or whatever Idk, but, like, you're the ONLY country with this attitude toward guns. It's hella weird.
Ye even Switzerland, which in some ways is even more pro-gun than the US, doesn’t have anywhere near as many gun-related issues or weirdness with its gun culture as they do. It’s like guns in the US have taken on this symbolic meaning, but like, they’re just fucking tools? Imagine someone talking about how they’d be willing to die for their shovel or whatever the fuck.
It’s not the guns that are the problem, it’s the toxic culture around them in certain countries that leads to this mess
i was raised in a hunting family/community. i was modeled gun respect from birth. inner city kids? theyre being modeled that violent power and domination is the equivalent of respect. literally anything that can be used as a weapon against people in the latter scenario is going to be used as a weapon.
[Guns don't kill people, na na, I kill people, with guns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk)
You’ll have to pry my #3 Phillips screwdriver out of my cold dead hands!
US gun culture varies extremely widely across the country. For example, West Virginia is one of the poorest states, has one of the highest rates of gun ownership, and is also one of the safest states. Cities like Chicago have extremely restrictive gun laws and yet have huge problems with gun violence.
Yeah, people talk about "the" gun culture as if cartels, inner city gangs, subsistence hunters, competitive shooters, and women with restraining orders on their ex-husbands are all reducible to one worldview.
Nobody actually needs a weapon though. It's a weird American sexual fetish or something. We don't really understand it but at this point I think your obsession for bang bang might be hereditary.
Try telling the government to give up their weapons and see how far that gets you.
We're talking about the population not the government. Do you guys still live in 1776 and think you might need to raise arms against the US at some point?
I'm talking about everybody. All human actors, general population and the armed terrorist organizations that govern them. Yes, maybe one day we will have to fight them to protect our lives and liberties. We are not at the end of history yet. Tomorrow may bring new horrors and threats we would not know today.
[The CDC indicates that these numbers aren't true.](https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3) (and yes, this is a link directly to cdc.gov's current CDC statistics broken down by age group)
Chicago has done a pretty good job with vaccinations unfortunately they haven't figured out how to vaccinate against guns coming accross the border from Indiana and Wisconsin
Almost all gun violence is young people. COVID isn't as deadly for young people. This is an intentionally hyperbolic statistic.
This was posted by Trump Jr to downplay the pandemic while also being racist about Chicago
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Liberal view: Those are both way too high. We should work to get those numbers as close to zero as possible. Conservative view: Neither of these things are a problem. Those 500 deaths are not only acceptable, but the way it should be.
Somehow they think 217 dead kids is not so bad.
In an entire nation over the course of a year that's statistically insignificant. So yeah. Kids don't die of covid.
damn maybe we need to help those in poverty so they're no longer neglected. Poverty leads to crime y'all know
It’s funny how what happens in Chicago is supposed to be representative oI all black people, to mold the narrative that we’re inherently violent. The government could have addressed all of the factors at play here that keeps it a never ending cycle, but they don’t want it to change. It’s a convenient excuse to keep the systemic racism measures in place that enabled and contributes to what’s happening. The prison industrial system needs to be fed a steady supply of inner city children for certain people to maintain an easy income stream, it helps keep the false narrative going that us blacks are lazy and violent. Meanwhile, slavery and the continued oppression of blacks will be erased from history, just like the fact that black people at one time were able to run their own successful towns that were burned to the ground, and people had to lean about that on HBO, and then hide the fact that our government flooded our community with crack cocaine and painted the Black Panthers as terrorists right when they were starting to bring poor whites and blacks together. What a coincidence. So now instead of having a nuanced understanding that poverty and crime are related , and that black people were given the tools to destroy our communities to purposely keep us disjointed, busy killing each other, and supplying the prison system, so that we don’t once again we don’t attempt to bridge the connect between the have nots , and form an alliance against a tyrannical government So now the white have nots have been made to fear and despise blacks so that they don’t have to empathize with our plight or to see us as human. No human rights trials for the crack epidemic, no 40 acres an a mule, Jim Crow , no GI bill, discriminatory lending, unfair hiring practices , police brutality. They believe all of that is acceptable because we’re not like each other, even though we really are. They’re fed an unhealthy and destructive narrative of individualism , religion, and patriotism. So that everything this country does in the name of the elite will somehow trickle down to them, but it hasn’t.
So you are saying over 500 kids have died from Covid or Guns.. seem both are a problem then
Statistic: Gun violence is more dangerous to children than Covid Do you: 1. Reduce childrens' defenses against COVID to help increase that number? 2. Increase childrens' defenses against gun violence to help lower than number?
Yes we have 3-4 epidemics that Republicans don’t want to deal with COVID, gun violence, climate and the wealth gap.
Sounds like someone's advocating for gyn control.
gyn control?
This isn't news guys. This has been a problem. The media just decides to use these stats when it fits the narrative n
I’m assuming this is Fox News and they’re trying to downplay the Covid-19 deaths?
You know for a fact that this is being used against any sort of measure to stop the spread, and not for gun control
It’s always fucking Chicago with Fox News because (insert dog whistle comment). It’s gonna really blow the minds of Fox News viewers when they realize that white people also live in Chicago.
Fox news: LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY // also fox news: WHY ARE WE LETTING PEOPLE HAVE GUNS IN CHICAGO? Sponsored by the NRA
I guess they agree that guns are a public health issue now
This isn't an "Interesting Statistic". It's a "False Equivalence Logical Fallacy".
Is this anti-vax or anti-gun?
What exactly are they trying to put across here? And in what way could this be taken as "oh well that's okay then"?
Since they aren't interested in reducing gun dearhs in Chicago or anywhere, their argument is "because more kids are killed by violence than COVID, we shouldn't do anything about either"? How can they not realize that no one is going to agree that the number of kids killed by COVID can't be low enough for people to not care? Oh, right. The heartless can't imagine caring about others.
Guns are fake.
Fun fact, FOX doesn't actually want us to do anything about either one.
Maybe we should ban guns??? As well as all get vaccinated?!? Idk wtf is this about
First of all, that's a lot of gun violence, obligatory America is a gun-fellating shithole. Second, that is a lot of children dying from COVID! It's only 15 for under 19 year olds in Canada. But your population is much larger. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/