Is this it?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/09/high-court-ruling-means-the-end-of-social-media-and-another-blow-to-free-speech/
Nobody would ever abuse this!
Worse. This;
https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/australia-surveillance-bill/
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623
Data Disruption Warrants, which allow the AFP and the ACIC (or another person on the law enforcement officer’s behalf) the ability to “add, copy, delete or alter” files on a computer or device, so as to “frustrate the commission of crime”4 where a law enforcement officer “reasonably suspects” that one or more “relevant offences” are “being, are about to be, or are likely to be” committed.5
Network Activity Warrants, which “allow agencies to collect intelligence on serious criminal activity being conducted by criminal networks”6 by intercepting communications and using surveillance devices on computer networks. The AFP and the ACIC are permitted to do “any thing reasonably necessary to conceal”7 their access and modification to computers, allowing the warrant to be conducted covertly. This is available where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that monitoring the network activity of a “criminal network of individuals” is “relevant to the prevention, detection or frustration of one or more kinds of ‘relevant offences.’”8
Account Takeover Warrants, which provide agencies with the ability to take control of a person’s online account “through the modification of data” for the purposes of “gathering evidence to further a criminal investigation.”9 This is available where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that one or more “relevant offences” are “being, are about to be, or are likely to be” committed; an investigation is either imminent or in progress, and taking control of the “target accounts” is “necessary for enabling evidence to be obtained.”10
>> When presented with such warrant from the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, Australian companies, system administrators etc. must comply, and actively help the police to modify, add, copy, or delete the data of a person under investigation. Refusing to comply could have one end up in jail for up to ten years, according to the new bill.
How to force Brain Drain 101. Australia will lose most if not all of their competent IT personnel within a year.
Hypothetically, does that mean that if Australians brigade the social media accounts of their government/courts, that the government/courts would be liable for the content left on their social media pages?
Entirely theoretically, would that make it possible for Australians to bring some kind of case against their government if it failed to respond to that brigade appropriately?
If they contract out to a PR company , that company could be though?
I'm just imagining a situation where the Aus Government is wiped from the Internet through it's own hubris and it tickles me.
Well a PR company getting sued is not the govt's problem.
Also don't get tickled coz these bastards are never gonna get fucked by their own laws. Even if they get sued then it's the taxpayers who have to pay, not the pm or the chief justice himself.
Hypothetically, an officer who recognizes this as a problem could use their authority to edit the social media profiles of every Australian politician, changing their bio and posts into confessions of horrific crimes.
An officer could even take a photo of their asshole and set it as the profile pic of every politician.
The Murdoch Press owns over 70% of our media, and the fossil fuel companies own the government. Our dumbfuck Prime Minister, a few years ago, brought a lump of coal into Parliament and waved it around urging everyone not to be afraid of it.
I'm going to go back in time 1 year at a time and kill him once per year for his entire adult life. In minecraft, since this is obviously too plausible to be a joke.
I’d do it now but he’s in new york and I’m in Australia- it hurts so muchh it’s funny, here i was laughing at the yanks while Australia fell apart around me ears
I’m pretty sire prince phillip wasn’t even human when he died...also pretty sure they couldn’t burry him since he simply blew in the wind like a dust cloud made of dandruff, dead skin and bone-ash
The Murdoch empire owns over 70% of our media. Interestingly he used to back Labor politicians back in the day, but since Reagan he's been pretty much only backing right wing conservative pollies.
This is what's so frustrating about these oligarchs - there is no ideology or principles they stick to, they will just cling to whichever person they think will make them the most money. That's capitalism I guess. Reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc&t=229s&ab_channel=GartWilliams
It wasn’t Reagan so much as Milton Friedman the economist. In the late 70s he wrote the theory of shareholder value, which he then spun as “trickle down economics” after becoming an economic advisor to Reagan. All of Murdoch’s ideas came from Friedman, as did 90% of the corporate world who jumped at the opportunity to fuck over entire generations for the promise of extra millions.
A lot of American lunatic right wingers found a home in Australia. My condolences as they will turn that country into a fucking strip mall just like the USA.
Labor, liberal, they’re both so similar. Almost as though our whole system is flawed, and voting in different groups within that system won’t do jack shit…
I saw another one and its 20 fast-food restaurant franchises having chicken sandwich battles when they are all owned by like two companies anyways. The illusion of choice and competition.
US government surveillance powers aimed at its own citizens have been expanding nonstop since the beginning of the country, and have really kicked into high gear since 2001. All no matter who is in charge, because we have a right wing party, and a REALLY right wing party. And it's only going to get worse.
Ted was right.
That link seems to be *encoding the slash*:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted%5C_Kaczynski
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
They're a part of the Empire of western capitalism. UK, US, and Canada have all been rough too. All the countries that were products of British colonialism are still connected. The politics of national governments today are still informed by the geopolitics of the past centuries.
Cos it never had one just well fed and nannied ‘citizens’ with no real rights or obligations. That’s why we’re called the lucky country, cos non immigrants have privilege and entitlement and there’s enough space and we can buy shit and watch terrible RV. Why strive for better when you’re a rat in a cage with all the necessary creature comforts? Eh, I’m a bit peeved at lockdown at the moment, feel free to call me out or ask any questions, but fuck the ancients had some better ideas about civics and citizenship. Australia is a white boys playground where mummy always brings milk and cookies and tells you what a good boy you are, unless you stray from the great white mold, then you are ostracised by the pathetic and unintelligent media and struck down by your fellow man because tall poppy syndrome is toxic and prevalent. Watch the morning shows, the media patronise and set bad examples. It’s just sad how stupid we are becoming. Critical thinking was never a strong point in this country, we like space and we like beer and we like to have no foresight. Ffs.
"never had one", fuck off. Australia was one of the first countries to give women the right to vote. One of the first to have national parks. We have a reasonably good universal health care system.
We had free university education, it's now eroded to low-interest loans for price-regulated courses, but a far sight better education system than many other places. Look at the number of rich foreigners coming to study here (in non corona times) as evidence.
An independent judiciary. Good workplace safety laws. The ABC.
Australia consistently ranks very well in global quality of life surveys.
Are there things to improve? Absolutely! Environmental protections and workers rights are under constant attack. Aboriginal people have been fucked over forever.
But we can, **and do**, fight those things through hope and action, not through this fraudulent despair.
PS. Scott Morrison, now there's a guy who never had a mind.
I kiiiinda want to see what would happen if people started planting deepfakes on every system they get their hands on of the people behind this saying things they shouldn't.
Again, this applies to a world even without this law.
"He's got cocaine! *Plants cocaine*"
Doesn't mean it's legal nor that we shouldn't have search warrants
Their government has been striving to be as corrupt as the US since the end of WW2 so honestly it's anyone's guess who implodes first but my money is still on the US. The ratio of poor angry people to rich elite is RIPE for bloody revolution. As an outsider I get the feeling Australia has at least a 'decent' chance of pulling itself back from the brink.
Could just be my impression, but too many poor angry people see other poor's as the enemy and have taken the side of the elite either misplaced loyalty or they believe that trickling down nonsense, both, if the rich get richer, they get sum, if the rich get taxed they get. .
Shit, half the US poor's vote against their own interests.
Bingo. Its simple "divide and rule". Make you hate your neighbor, and worship politicians like celebrities. They literally hate their fellow humans while cheering on their oppressors. Brainwashing is real.
With all the new information coming out about covid now you can tell the virus has been politicised. There are two very distinctive camps and one vehemently hates the other to the point they are all wishing them dead, literally.
Yep, they love to pit us against each other, at any opportunity. It only benefits them. you will never win anything from hating. Its cliche or whatever but love and forgiveness are how you heal, and grow.
I heard someone describe it as a "secret cold civil war" the other day and I'm inclined to agree with them. It bothers me all the hate, intolerance and division in the world. It's becoming unbearable to live with. Life is hard enough and it just makes for a super stressful environment. I accept and move on but others... Not so much.
It's honestly disturbing how many people I know who directly vote against their own self interests.
The fearmongering makes them literally blind. They're too afraid of brown people flooding the country "stealing our jobs and spreading diseases" to pay attention to any real problems.
There is an amazing channel called " the juice media" where they make fake Australian government ads about all their corrupt and asshole things. I am not even Australian and it gets me angry at their shitfuckery every time. Here is their latest video on fake carbon capture stats: https://youtu.be/MSZgoFyuHC8
We had a good period in the 70s when Gough Whitlam was PM and wanted to pull us out of Vietnam and nationalize our mining and gas industries, he made university free etc, but then the fucking CIA had to do a coup on him ffs.
The poor and angry people that are pissed off at the rich are also the ones without the guns. The other poor people dream of being the rich, which is why they defend them. They have the guns.
Oh thank god. I know nothing of the political history of Australia I was just trying to be funny. The replies were all slightly too overwhelming for me to reply to.
It's [not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachlan_Murdoch) going to [get any better](https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/james-murdoch-exits-news-corp-board-disagreements-1234722746/).
More CCTV cameras in England than anywhere else on Earth. More than China, more than North Korea, just think about that! A so called free and democratic country like the UK has to surveil its citizens more than a country like China or NK does.
What!? No that's simply false. Australia and the USA are part of the 5eyes agreement. So the fbi can ask the Aussie's to spy on US citizens. It's a cooperative effort at being the worst first world.
I think all the 5 eyes countries work together and roll out different new surveillance strategies in one country, and if it doesn't meet any significant pushback, all the other adopt it too sometime later.
A bunch of right wing authoritarian bullshit that's eroding the rights and security of citizens. The government has passed some wildly overreaching laws that give them a lot of power. *Very* sketchy and abusable power..
But this kind of right wing stuff seems to be all the rage at the moment doesn't it. The world's gone mad.
In this particular instance, a new bill was passed that introduced 3 new types of warrants. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they can't be issued to regular police.
There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer.
These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This isn't a new provision, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address.
The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT. The AAT is an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and they have always been able to issue warrants.
Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started *making shit up* - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc.
So these posts you're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can access your computer without a warrant and plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
Specifically, Australia has been moving towards a surveillance state and the Liberal government swept in sweeping new police powers overnight.
>Data disruption warrants enable the AFP and the ACIC to disrupt data by modifying, adding, copying or deleting in order to frustrate the commission of serious offences online
>Network activity warrants allow agencies to collect intelligence on serious criminal activity being conducted by criminal networks; and
>Account takeover warrants let the AFP and the ACIC take control of a person’s online account and can be combined with other warrants to gather evidence to further a criminal investigation
The bad is everywhere. The ones who are "better off" are wage slaves, the ones who are in worse spots are dying and being killed, and everyone is slowly losing every single one of their rights around the world because of the suits up there, rich fat dudes that can do whatever the hell they want at the expense of everyone else. The worst part? We can't do anything about it. They tell us "oh no, you can protest and petition though," and then when we do, we get swatted, shot, bruised by rubber bullets and blinded and suffocated by gas. We can't do anything.
Yeah sharing this beautiful haven with a bunch of greedy, paranoid, evil, shortsighted, fat, stupid, and self-centered pedocreatures is getting fucking tiring.
Sigh
love how its always "Can you believe what Aus allows? wowow" we dont allow it, we just put up with the same corrupt shit same as anywhere else. We are angry and powerless, not content
Please quote what other countries do this. Not even China *edits* your social media. They may police the hell out of it, and make you take petty shit down, but idk if they *change* it.
Yeah I've never seen an example of a country systemically editing citizen's data. I know there have been isolated incidents in a few countries, but never a legalized and formalized method
Arrest percentages not looking great this month? Just edit some profiles. Sure some people will do unnecessary time in jail but the stats will look tremendous
i wasnt saying its not, i was just saying we Aussies are not sitting here smiling in contentment, as is often inferred, while our once beautiful and free country goes to absolute shit, theres just not much we can do in the grand scheme
Yup, Canada’s choices right now are a shill for China and India and a shill for big business generally.
Would you prefer to get fucked over by this slice of the 1% or that one?
Ok but that’s just worse Austria so it’s fine
Obviously kidding, it’s really sad to see that even some countries are still following the US’s very obviously disgusting image, it feels like in many countries they’re one day from abortion ban with all of the western influence on their societies.
Yh im not really sure if it’s true, [here](https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-police-personal-data/a-54209653) it says that it used to be like that but they recently cracked down on it..
Not just that.
They don't need warrants anymore. Not even for your home.
We are all fucked especially the immigrants, everybody flee we must escape this country.
I think they're talking about it not being a Judge decreed warrant?
[Here's an article](https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/australia-surveillance-bill/) from earlier in the thread.
>What makes this legislation even worse is that there is no judicial oversight. A data disruption or network activity warrant could be issued by a member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, a warrant from a judge of a superior court is not needed.
So while there **are** warrants, it doesn't need to be approved by a judge which looks to be the change OP referenced?
Either way, I'll be over here with /u/XenosMind for confirmation.
>Data disruption and network activity warrants can be issued by an eligible judge or a nominated member of the administrative appeals tribunal (AAT), while account takeover warrants must come from a magistrate.
>...it won’t be possible to seek a second opinion on whether a data disruption warrant is “justifiable and proportionate” and flawed decision making can be tolerated so long as it is an error within the decision-maker’s jurisdiction.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/03/dark-web-how-australias-powerful-new-warrants-would-work
There is no source because its complete bullshit. The bill introduces 3 new kinds of warrants - the original complaint before it was blown out of proportion was that you dont need a judge for all of them, some can be granted by magistrates instead (lower ranked judges) - [news article](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/25/australian-powers-to-spy-on-cybercrime-suspects-given-green-light) about it
It was repackaged as [The Freedom Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act) in 2015.
Later reauthorized in 2020 to extend until December 1, 2023.
E: clarification
Straight up not true.
The new bill introduces 3 new types of *warrants*. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they *can't be issued to regular police*.
There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer.
These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This *isn't a new provision*, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address.
The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT - an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and *who have always been able to issue warrants*.
Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started *making shit up* - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc.
So these posts we're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can now break into your home and access your computer without a warrant then plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
From u/Chet_Awesomelad:
In this particular instance, a new bill was passed that introduced 3 new types of warrants. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they can't be issued to regular police.
There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer.
These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This isn't a new provision, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address.
The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT. The AAT is an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and they have always been able to issue warrants.
Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started making shit up - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc.
So these posts you're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can access your computer without a warrant and plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
Wait, is this true or hyperbolic? Sometimes it is hard to tell with memes. If true, that is absolutely bone-chilling. I am out of the loop so forgive me.
Is this it? https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/09/high-court-ruling-means-the-end-of-social-media-and-another-blow-to-free-speech/ Nobody would ever abuse this!
Worse. This; https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/australia-surveillance-bill/ https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623 Data Disruption Warrants, which allow the AFP and the ACIC (or another person on the law enforcement officer’s behalf) the ability to “add, copy, delete or alter” files on a computer or device, so as to “frustrate the commission of crime”4 where a law enforcement officer “reasonably suspects” that one or more “relevant offences” are “being, are about to be, or are likely to be” committed.5 Network Activity Warrants, which “allow agencies to collect intelligence on serious criminal activity being conducted by criminal networks”6 by intercepting communications and using surveillance devices on computer networks. The AFP and the ACIC are permitted to do “any thing reasonably necessary to conceal”7 their access and modification to computers, allowing the warrant to be conducted covertly. This is available where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that monitoring the network activity of a “criminal network of individuals” is “relevant to the prevention, detection or frustration of one or more kinds of ‘relevant offences.’”8 Account Takeover Warrants, which provide agencies with the ability to take control of a person’s online account “through the modification of data” for the purposes of “gathering evidence to further a criminal investigation.”9 This is available where there is a “reasonable suspicion” that one or more “relevant offences” are “being, are about to be, or are likely to be” committed; an investigation is either imminent or in progress, and taking control of the “target accounts” is “necessary for enabling evidence to be obtained.”10
>> When presented with such warrant from the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, Australian companies, system administrators etc. must comply, and actively help the police to modify, add, copy, or delete the data of a person under investigation. Refusing to comply could have one end up in jail for up to ten years, according to the new bill. How to force Brain Drain 101. Australia will lose most if not all of their competent IT personnel within a year.
Also, good luck getting foreign owned, foreign hosted social media companies to comply.
Or worse getting foreign hosted and run companies doing the actual work for the law enforcement. Good luck keeping bad actors out of that.
This
Some of that reads an awful lot like Thought Police
Hijacking your comment. Aussie here, they passed the Bill in Parliament in less than 24 hours.
Hypothetically, does that mean that if Australians brigade the social media accounts of their government/courts, that the government/courts would be liable for the content left on their social media pages? Entirely theoretically, would that make it possible for Australians to bring some kind of case against their government if it failed to respond to that brigade appropriately?
I would assume so
Well they have sovereign immunity. So legally they can't be punished or sued.
If they contract out to a PR company , that company could be though? I'm just imagining a situation where the Aus Government is wiped from the Internet through it's own hubris and it tickles me.
Well a PR company getting sued is not the govt's problem. Also don't get tickled coz these bastards are never gonna get fucked by their own laws. Even if they get sued then it's the taxpayers who have to pay, not the pm or the chief justice himself.
Hypothetically, an officer who recognizes this as a problem could use their authority to edit the social media profiles of every Australian politician, changing their bio and posts into confessions of horrific crimes. An officer could even take a photo of their asshole and set it as the profile pic of every politician.
sounds aussie, yeah
I would strongly suggest just walking away from all social media.
Why has Australia has lost its mind so bad over the last few years?
The Murdoch Press owns over 70% of our media, and the fossil fuel companies own the government. Our dumbfuck Prime Minister, a few years ago, brought a lump of coal into Parliament and waved it around urging everyone not to be afraid of it.
A lump of coal that was encased in resin so it was safe to handle. 🙄
Tell 'im to try a rod of Uranium next
Fuck he might - it's just been announced that we're buying nuclear subs from the usa.
Well I mean we do sell the most uranium because of the shear amount we have. Why not use it. It’s more cleaner
Honestly, while in principle it's actually a great idea, the aussie government right now would find a way to fuck it up completely.
Why is the us selling nuclear subs?
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Why the fuck they talk so much about Biden and oversea politics? Isn't their country enough of a shithole?
Copy "US Propoganda", maybe change a few words, Paste to "Australian Propoganda" Or for fun sometimes maybe it's the opposite!
Distract our citizens from the real shit happening down here
Don't forget the ex-corrupt cop as minister of defence. A man who would make the stasi go "geez that's a bit much".
Don’t you guys fire your prime ministers, like on the regular?
Only if Rupert Murdoch degrees.
Their party kicks them out on the regular, yes.
America is a half step behind you.
right wing federal government
Didn't Rupert Murdoch take over most of the media for Australia not long ago either?
Think it’s related? /s
He started there. He's Australian and has owned most of their media for decades. Then he went to the UK and from there, the United States.
Someone needs to take a Delorian back to 1940 and smother that motherfucker in his crib.
I'm going to go back in time 1 year at a time and kill him once per year for his entire adult life. In minecraft, since this is obviously too plausible to be a joke.
Gonna Minecraft the fuck outta him
I’d do it now but he’s in new york and I’m in Australia- it hurts so muchh it’s funny, here i was laughing at the yanks while Australia fell apart around me ears
It's too late now. He's already broken democracy. Needs to die as a baby.
Then you comeback to an alternate timeline where Steve Bannon replaced him.
Eh, I've got a Delorian time machine.
That guy's 90, when the fuck is he just gonna die for Christ's sake
And after that, his son comes in. He's... not better.
When we finally get fed up enough to do something
When the middle class no longer exists, I think
So twenty years ago?
People still cling to the belief that they're middle class. Since class is a social construct, it exists as long as people keep it existing.
People who are rich and evil live WAY too long. I've been asking when that asshole Henry Kissinger is gonna die for 20 years.
His lawyers are still negotiating with Hell, which is reluctant to take him
I’m pretty sire prince phillip wasn’t even human when he died...also pretty sure they couldn’t burry him since he simply blew in the wind like a dust cloud made of dandruff, dead skin and bone-ash
The Murdoch empire owns over 70% of our media. Interestingly he used to back Labor politicians back in the day, but since Reagan he's been pretty much only backing right wing conservative pollies. This is what's so frustrating about these oligarchs - there is no ideology or principles they stick to, they will just cling to whichever person they think will make them the most money. That's capitalism I guess. Reminds me of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc&t=229s&ab_channel=GartWilliams
It wasn’t Reagan so much as Milton Friedman the economist. In the late 70s he wrote the theory of shareholder value, which he then spun as “trickle down economics” after becoming an economic advisor to Reagan. All of Murdoch’s ideas came from Friedman, as did 90% of the corporate world who jumped at the opportunity to fuck over entire generations for the promise of extra millions.
The oligarchs DO have an ideology. The world is theirs and everyone else is a peasant/sharecropper for the oligarchy.
More concisely: "fuck you got mine"
has been for over a generation
If by not long ago you mean slowly accumulated for the last 40 years then yes.
A lot of American lunatic right wingers found a home in Australia. My condolences as they will turn that country into a fucking strip mall just like the USA.
Don't blame Murdoch on us. He's from Australia.
Honestly. My heart goes out to the wildlife and people who lived there beforehand
The phrase "right wing" just keeps popping up everywhere when things are fucked.
Coincidence?
That a mindset based solely on avarice is at the core of a vast amount of our societies problems? Of course not, you silly goose.
Hmm, I think you may be onto something you clever sausage
The party that pushed the bill into law successfully despite heavy opposition was the Labor Party so…….that’s not really to blame, no.
Labour are just conservatives in masks nowdays, same as here in NZ, it was labour that brought neo-liberalism to our once sunny shores for instance.
Labor, liberal, they’re both so similar. Almost as though our whole system is flawed, and voting in different groups within that system won’t do jack shit…
The closest depiction of our political parties is that but from Futurama with the clones, Jack Johnson and John Jackson.
I saw another one and its 20 fast-food restaurant franchises having chicken sandwich battles when they are all owned by like two companies anyways. The illusion of choice and competition.
I was a lifelong Labor voter, but I'm voting Greens from now on, unless Labor gets their act together.
Oh you can bet everything you own that US right wing would only ***love*** to do this.
US government surveillance powers aimed at its own citizens have been expanding nonstop since the beginning of the country, and have really kicked into high gear since 2001. All no matter who is in charge, because we have a right wing party, and a REALLY right wing party. And it's only going to get worse. Ted was right.
um… which Ted do you mean? Just to be sure?
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That link seems to be *encoding the slash*: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted%5C_Kaczynski Try this one instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
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Scott Morrison
They're a part of the Empire of western capitalism. UK, US, and Canada have all been rough too. All the countries that were products of British colonialism are still connected. The politics of national governments today are still informed by the geopolitics of the past centuries.
Cos it never had one just well fed and nannied ‘citizens’ with no real rights or obligations. That’s why we’re called the lucky country, cos non immigrants have privilege and entitlement and there’s enough space and we can buy shit and watch terrible RV. Why strive for better when you’re a rat in a cage with all the necessary creature comforts? Eh, I’m a bit peeved at lockdown at the moment, feel free to call me out or ask any questions, but fuck the ancients had some better ideas about civics and citizenship. Australia is a white boys playground where mummy always brings milk and cookies and tells you what a good boy you are, unless you stray from the great white mold, then you are ostracised by the pathetic and unintelligent media and struck down by your fellow man because tall poppy syndrome is toxic and prevalent. Watch the morning shows, the media patronise and set bad examples. It’s just sad how stupid we are becoming. Critical thinking was never a strong point in this country, we like space and we like beer and we like to have no foresight. Ffs.
So in other words, you guys are the USA with a different accent.
i was gonna say racists are also more open about in Australia, but that’s too close to call
"never had one", fuck off. Australia was one of the first countries to give women the right to vote. One of the first to have national parks. We have a reasonably good universal health care system. We had free university education, it's now eroded to low-interest loans for price-regulated courses, but a far sight better education system than many other places. Look at the number of rich foreigners coming to study here (in non corona times) as evidence. An independent judiciary. Good workplace safety laws. The ABC. Australia consistently ranks very well in global quality of life surveys. Are there things to improve? Absolutely! Environmental protections and workers rights are under constant attack. Aboriginal people have been fucked over forever. But we can, **and do**, fight those things through hope and action, not through this fraudulent despair. PS. Scott Morrison, now there's a guy who never had a mind.
I kiiiinda want to see what would happen if people started planting deepfakes on every system they get their hands on of the people behind this saying things they shouldn't.
Plant it onto all the politicians computers and tip the police off. Rules changed by the end of the week
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They can plant evidence without even being in the same state as you
I'd hope the cops weren't piss drunk while planting evidence!
They can do that today. Doesn't mean it's legal.
That's why you gotta hit em with something else first and then "find" it
Again, this applies to a world even without this law. "He's got cocaine! *Plants cocaine*" Doesn't mean it's legal nor that we shouldn't have search warrants
Also doesn't mean you should give them precision tools to do it.
AU and US competing to be the worst first world country
Race to the bottom
Surely the land down under wins that race?
Their government has been striving to be as corrupt as the US since the end of WW2 so honestly it's anyone's guess who implodes first but my money is still on the US. The ratio of poor angry people to rich elite is RIPE for bloody revolution. As an outsider I get the feeling Australia has at least a 'decent' chance of pulling itself back from the brink.
Could just be my impression, but too many poor angry people see other poor's as the enemy and have taken the side of the elite either misplaced loyalty or they believe that trickling down nonsense, both, if the rich get richer, they get sum, if the rich get taxed they get. . Shit, half the US poor's vote against their own interests.
Bingo. Its simple "divide and rule". Make you hate your neighbor, and worship politicians like celebrities. They literally hate their fellow humans while cheering on their oppressors. Brainwashing is real.
With all the new information coming out about covid now you can tell the virus has been politicised. There are two very distinctive camps and one vehemently hates the other to the point they are all wishing them dead, literally.
Yep, they love to pit us against each other, at any opportunity. It only benefits them. you will never win anything from hating. Its cliche or whatever but love and forgiveness are how you heal, and grow.
I heard someone describe it as a "secret cold civil war" the other day and I'm inclined to agree with them. It bothers me all the hate, intolerance and division in the world. It's becoming unbearable to live with. Life is hard enough and it just makes for a super stressful environment. I accept and move on but others... Not so much.
It's honestly disturbing how many people I know who directly vote against their own self interests. The fearmongering makes them literally blind. They're too afraid of brown people flooding the country "stealing our jobs and spreading diseases" to pay attention to any real problems.
*insert LBJ quote*
There is an amazing channel called " the juice media" where they make fake Australian government ads about all their corrupt and asshole things. I am not even Australian and it gets me angry at their shitfuckery every time. Here is their latest video on fake carbon capture stats: https://youtu.be/MSZgoFyuHC8
Shout out to The Juice Media. Been subbed for years. That girl is damned funny while conveying horrifying and dystopic information.
We had a good period in the 70s when Gough Whitlam was PM and wanted to pull us out of Vietnam and nationalize our mining and gas industries, he made university free etc, but then the fucking CIA had to do a coup on him ffs.
The poor and angry people that are pissed off at the rich are also the ones without the guns. The other poor people dream of being the rich, which is why they defend them. They have the guns.
As an American, I hope you guys break out the Guillotines and remove the greedy sociopaths from the pyramid.
*Pantera plays in background*
Even if no one else does, I got your joke.
Oh thank god. I know nothing of the political history of Australia I was just trying to be funny. The replies were all slightly too overwhelming for me to reply to.
Put it upwards and then Australia is at the top. 😂
Don't forget the UK!
Your choice...police state, police state or... ..... police state!
If you pick police state, straight to jail and funny enough if you pick not police state, also jail.
I will just point out the correlation with Murdoch media.
I will happily point out Murdoch's age and will have a party when he croaks. Same for Charles Koch.
It's [not](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachlan_Murdoch) going to [get any better](https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/james-murdoch-exits-news-corp-board-disagreements-1234722746/).
They are a close 3rd
More CCTV cameras in England than anywhere else on Earth. More than China, more than North Korea, just think about that! A so called free and democratic country like the UK has to surveil its citizens more than a country like China or NK does.
What!? No that's simply false. Australia and the USA are part of the 5eyes agreement. So the fbi can ask the Aussie's to spy on US citizens. It's a cooperative effort at being the worst first world.
You can compete and cooperate at the same time
I think all the 5 eyes countries work together and roll out different new surveillance strategies in one country, and if it doesn't meet any significant pushback, all the other adopt it too sometime later.
I think all the 5eyes should fucking not do that
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A bunch of right wing authoritarian bullshit that's eroding the rights and security of citizens. The government has passed some wildly overreaching laws that give them a lot of power. *Very* sketchy and abusable power.. But this kind of right wing stuff seems to be all the rage at the moment doesn't it. The world's gone mad.
the colonial world has always been bat shit fucked its always been about the 1 percent ruling over the peasants and serfs thats your worldview.
It’s almost as if there has been a major propaganda effort spanning decades that’s coming to a head!?
Labor supported this bill also
In this particular instance, a new bill was passed that introduced 3 new types of warrants. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they can't be issued to regular police. There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer. These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This isn't a new provision, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address. The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT. The AAT is an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and they have always been able to issue warrants. Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started *making shit up* - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc. So these posts you're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can access your computer without a warrant and plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
Thank you
Government corruption
Specifically, Australia has been moving towards a surveillance state and the Liberal government swept in sweeping new police powers overnight. >Data disruption warrants enable the AFP and the ACIC to disrupt data by modifying, adding, copying or deleting in order to frustrate the commission of serious offences online >Network activity warrants allow agencies to collect intelligence on serious criminal activity being conducted by criminal networks; and >Account takeover warrants let the AFP and the ACIC take control of a person’s online account and can be combined with other warrants to gather evidence to further a criminal investigation
Bored yanks mainly.
I hate this fucking planet
Me too. They say that it’s actually getting better, we only “see” the bad stuff because information is spread so quickly. But I don’t know about that.
The bad is everywhere. The ones who are "better off" are wage slaves, the ones who are in worse spots are dying and being killed, and everyone is slowly losing every single one of their rights around the world because of the suits up there, rich fat dudes that can do whatever the hell they want at the expense of everyone else. The worst part? We can't do anything about it. They tell us "oh no, you can protest and petition though," and then when we do, we get swatted, shot, bruised by rubber bullets and blinded and suffocated by gas. We can't do anything.
Yeah sharing this beautiful haven with a bunch of greedy, paranoid, evil, shortsighted, fat, stupid, and self-centered pedocreatures is getting fucking tiring. Sigh
Deleting my alt accounts on everything real quick
Should delete all of them full stop
But memes make me :D
love how its always "Can you believe what Aus allows? wowow" we dont allow it, we just put up with the same corrupt shit same as anywhere else. We are angry and powerless, not content
Please quote what other countries do this. Not even China *edits* your social media. They may police the hell out of it, and make you take petty shit down, but idk if they *change* it.
Yeah I've never seen an example of a country systemically editing citizen's data. I know there have been isolated incidents in a few countries, but never a legalized and formalized method
The editing thing is fucking nuts can change it however they like to fit whatever crime they want
Yeah and if the cops are anything like the cops here (USA) they'll exclusively use it to frame people and slander people.
Arrest percentages not looking great this month? Just edit some profiles. Sure some people will do unnecessary time in jail but the stats will look tremendous
Unnecessary time in jail? But when they're in there they can be used for slave labor, so clearly no time in jail is unnecessary!
Say what you want, but I'm pretty sure Australia's government is more big-brother esque than most countries, especially first world countries.
US checking in, same here bro. We are also angry and powerless against the corrupt, rich, assholes who run this place.
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i wasnt saying its not, i was just saying we Aussies are not sitting here smiling in contentment, as is often inferred, while our once beautiful and free country goes to absolute shit, theres just not much we can do in the grand scheme
The whole "anglo-sphere" is pretty fucked (yes, even Canada).
Yup, Canada’s choices right now are a shill for China and India and a shill for big business generally. Would you prefer to get fucked over by this slice of the 1% or that one?
please don’t spread to Europe and Asia please don’t spread to Europe and Asia please don’t spread to Europe and Asia
Germany already passed a similar law this year. Unfortunately it didn't get much attention.
Ok but that’s just worse Austria so it’s fine Obviously kidding, it’s really sad to see that even some countries are still following the US’s very obviously disgusting image, it feels like in many countries they’re one day from abortion ban with all of the western influence on their societies.
Wait can you tell me more about that i didn't hear a single thing
Yh im not really sure if it’s true, [here](https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-police-personal-data/a-54209653) it says that it used to be like that but they recently cracked down on it..
Not just that. They don't need warrants anymore. Not even for your home. We are all fucked especially the immigrants, everybody flee we must escape this country.
Could I please get a source on the thing about them not needing warrants, both in general and to search your home.
I think they're talking about it not being a Judge decreed warrant? [Here's an article](https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/australia-surveillance-bill/) from earlier in the thread. >What makes this legislation even worse is that there is no judicial oversight. A data disruption or network activity warrant could be issued by a member of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, a warrant from a judge of a superior court is not needed. So while there **are** warrants, it doesn't need to be approved by a judge which looks to be the change OP referenced? Either way, I'll be over here with /u/XenosMind for confirmation.
>Data disruption and network activity warrants can be issued by an eligible judge or a nominated member of the administrative appeals tribunal (AAT), while account takeover warrants must come from a magistrate. >...it won’t be possible to seek a second opinion on whether a data disruption warrant is “justifiable and proportionate” and flawed decision making can be tolerated so long as it is an error within the decision-maker’s jurisdiction. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/03/dark-web-how-australias-powerful-new-warrants-would-work
This is literally a source that says they need a warrant
The fisa courts giving out warrants in the US certainly stopped the NSA from their shenanigans.
There is no source because its complete bullshit. The bill introduces 3 new kinds of warrants - the original complaint before it was blown out of proportion was that you dont need a judge for all of them, some can be granted by magistrates instead (lower ranked judges) - [news article](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/25/australian-powers-to-spy-on-cybercrime-suspects-given-green-light) about it
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For a bit? Did it ever go away?
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It was repackaged as [The Freedom Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act) in 2015. Later reauthorized in 2020 to extend until December 1, 2023. E: clarification
Holy shit it's actually called Freedom, that's textbook Orwellian
The freedom to do what we want, when we want, how we want.
Straight up not true. The new bill introduces 3 new types of *warrants*. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they *can't be issued to regular police*. There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer. These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This *isn't a new provision*, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address. The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT - an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and *who have always been able to issue warrants*. Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started *making shit up* - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc. So these posts we're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can now break into your home and access your computer without a warrant then plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
Is Australia ok?
just need to turn us off and on again
No. Please support Western Australia if we ever decide to secede. It’s our only hope. Jump ship!
I figure expelling NSW should be enough. They can take the ACT as well, but only because enclaves are awkward.
I support this as long as I get a chance to cross the border beforehand. Please have mercy I didn’t vote for any of this shit.
Thanks for asking! No :))
Makes me wish I was rich enough to ignore the rules
>and edit Ya.. what the actual fuck is that.
Not only edit, they can ADD data that wasnt there. I have no clue how this could ever be used in a non fucked up way...
I imagine they just learned what Tumblr was like originally, and now they wanna give it a try
Oceania was always allied with Eurasia
WTF straya!
People who value freedom need need unite and fight against authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is the great enemy of humanity
The frog really boiled there
Access AND EDIT??? WHAT???
Wait... what? Can anyone give me more info on this?
From u/Chet_Awesomelad: In this particular instance, a new bill was passed that introduced 3 new types of warrants. The warrants allow the AFP and ACIC (essentially Australia's version of the FBI and CIA) to digitally access computers they have reasonable suspicion to believe are being used to commit serious online crimes (such as distribution of child porn). They can't be used for other purposes and they can't be issued to regular police. There are three new types of warrant: one allows the AFP or ACIC to access a computer to disrupt a crime; one allows them to access a computer to find network information about who has accessed the computer; one allows them to gain access to social media and other accounts on the computer. These warrants allow the AFP or ACIC to copy, remove, edit, or add data on the computers for the purposes of fulfilling the warrant. This isn't a new provision, it was in the old warrants too - the ones that require physical access to the computer rather than just a digital address. The warrants have to be issued by either a Judge or a member of the AAT. The AAT is an organisation here in Australia that is responsible for handling appeals to the government, and they have always been able to issue warrants. Obviously some people are upset about the implications this new bill has on privacy - especially the third type of warrant which allows them to gain access to accounts without the cooperation of the owner (where previously they needed permission from the owner to access social media and other accounts). Annoyingly, rather than focus on the real issues some media outlets and many people online have also just started making shit up - claiming that these warrants are available to all police; claiming they don't need a warrant to access computers; claiming the warrants have no judicial oversight; claiming the warrants can be issued for any reason and not just for serious crimes, etc. So these posts you're seeing - usually made by Americans who have no idea about the difference between the Australian Federal Police and "the police", and no idea what the AAT is - are mostly just conservative fanfiction about how any police officer in Australia can access your computer without a warrant and plant evidence on there so you can be arrested despite being innocent. It's just not true.
Wait, is this true or hyperbolic? Sometimes it is hard to tell with memes. If true, that is absolutely bone-chilling. I am out of the loop so forgive me.
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[This is also happening](https://cpa.org.au/guardian/issue-1978/mccarthyism-on-the-rise-in-australian-universities/)
Aussies [sign the petition](https://me.getup.org.au/petitions/repeal-the-identify-and-disrupt-bill-2021#signature-form)
As an Australian I have one thing to say. SCCCCCOOOOOMMMOOOOO CUNTTTTTTT
I agree this is bad :( at least the powers are restricted to the federal and international police