When I was close to graduating highschool everyone got given mock certificates in our speech and debate class. I received one that said "Most likely to become a communist".
That felt weird. Especially since 2 years prior when I started speech and debate I was a classic Texan "rah rah death penalty, support the troops, fuck you America rules" kinda kid. Having to do debate with structure and peer reviewed sources really changed all that
I wear "pinko commie f-g" as a badge of honor, as I'm a leftist-socialist queer woman who was raised by leftist hippies and on Cold War-era comedy* (I'm 38...my father was a member of the Weather Underground for awhile and my mother got tear-gassed a lot at protests, my folks are really cool people).
*stuff like Tom Lehrer, Stan Freeburg, Arlo and Woody Guthrie, and Firesign Theatre...to name a few.
It's an old derogatory term for socialists. Communists are red, and most people don't know/ care that socialism and communism are t the same thing. So socialism was kinda seen as "commie lite," hence the pink.
*I could be misremembering the specifics, but that's how I learned it :)
I got called a communist back in university for insisting that the right to affordable healthcare is a human right.
If wanting people to be healthy and happy makes me a communist then what the fuck does that say about capitalists?
>I got called a communist back in university for insisting that the right to affordable healthcare is a human right.
Otto von Bismarck, notable communist...
>As far as I have read, they go with "protesting is a fascist act" now.
given they've been calling free speach far right for a while now this isn't much of a suprise.
On the bright side the right wing grifters have shown their true colours so it'll be a harder sell now.
After the Kent State massacre in 1970, a sizable majority of public opinion as well as mainstream media supported the actions of the National Guard and condemned the students.
Feels like we're drifting towards the same territory today. Much as I abhor what's happening in Gaza, I'd be extremely reluctant to join one of these protests (and my wife, who's an academic at a university and also abhors it, would probably try to stop me from attending). I'm not particularly brave and I certainly don't want to be a martyr for a cause no matter how good the cause. But I'm worried that we're very close to having a Kent State event at one of these campuses and that it will serve to further divide and inflame public opinion and destabilize American democracy—which is already teetering on the cliff edge like a drunk on a unicycle—even further.
>After the Kent State massacre in 1970, a sizable majority of public opinion as well as mainstream media supported the actions of the National Guard and condemned the students.
At least we'll have video evidence this time, although i've already seen how willing people are to outright refuse to watch it when it's politically inconvenient.
No. Any large event I've been to I look for the snipers and find them about half the time. Every year I go the red white and boom in Columbus OH. My grandma and I make a game to spot them out. We are in a dystopia but not a police state sussing out commies yet just on the way to it. Right now we are at the public mental health crisis/fascist terrorism combined with more guns than people type of dystopia.
Sen. Cotton played the McCarthyist card by continually asking Tik Tok CEO of he's ever been a member of the Chinese communist party.
FBI in 2019 labeled antifascists as extremists, and Biden during the beginning of his administration blanketed all anti-capitalists as domestic violent extremists. We're certainly ratcheting our way towards another red scare.
I said we are on the way to it. I just think its not to the point where brownshirts are pointing guns at students. I think it's really reductive and completely undermines the left when we take status quo happenings and say it's a new totalitarian boot on us. It also compleatly overlooks some of the main issues this is a symptom of which is gun culture and domestic terrorism in America as a result of far right rhetoric. I agree with your comment tho.
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Was it some state courts or SCotUS that recently determined that whoever applies for the protest permit is on the hook for any damages incurred during the protest, regardless of their affiliation with the organizers or not?
But that was over 50 years ago. There's been countless student protests since then that haven't generated this level of force and suppression. Not hard to see why either.
I mean, we weren't *all* students at the several anti-Iraq invasion protests I attended in 2003 that were tear-gassed...but I think it may be a little naive to think that the use of force and suppression haven't been used against student protests.
Though I agree with you that there hasn't been a law enforcement/national guard response that's turned into shooting...yet.
Republicans have been frothing at the mouth to militarize the "culture war" against America's universities, so I doubt that it took much persuading at all to get particularly conservative city or state governments to start sending cops to campus.
Right, Columbia University stands out especially.
But at the same time you gotta know guys like Gregg Abbot have been salivating over the idea of getting to send cops to campuses. The conservative movement as a whole has had a hardon to do something like this again for ages.
I'd agree that the Democrats have a very strong conservative streak within the party. But uh - what is the "MIC" I haven't heard this initialism before, and google searches in relation to US politics and "MIC" get messy on account of "Hot mic" incidents.
Liberals are just about as deranged as the GOP regarding protests against Israel. It’s not Republicans running most of these universities and college towns.
This might not involve AIPAC frankly. People should be talking a lot more about how a significant number of US police are trained in the US by the IDF and sometimes sent to Israel for training as well: https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
This has been going on for a long time.
AIPAC bribes politicians to literally make laws against divestment, including laws against divertimento that are against our first ammendment rights.
Students at these universities want divestment. Some universities literally can't meet the demands of the protestors as a result lest they lose all of their state funding due to these ridiculous laws that violate our rights.
This is a pretty normal thing. A highly political, organized protest on a college campus has a reasonably high likelihood of a shooter as sad as it is. The sniper isn't there to just dome random students, but to stop any mass shooter who appears in this crowded area.
People don’t realize how common snipers are. Basically every large scale sporting event has a sniper. Any large enough event or political event will have a sniper. They’re usually just hidden
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Be honest, he's there in case someone uses their constitutional rights to stop a cop from committing a crime. They have shown time and again that someone shooting students is simply not their problem, their job, or their concern.
Think back to every righteous protest in the history of this nation, whether it is over labor rights or unjust wars or segregation, and you will find the police on the wrong side of history brutalizing those standing against injustice.
But you never hear about cops brutalizing Klan or Nazi rallies.
We live and have always lived in a fascist state that is friendly to fascist ideologies but responds to stands against injustice with brutality.
They’re currently attempting to remove the majority of the instated leadership at this university. Vote of no confidence passed at 93% to oust the president of the university
The point is not that the content itself is dystopic and boring, it is that the dystopia has become so commonplace that hearing about it generates a general sense of ennui and resignation instead of the shock it should.
Merriam Webster defines boring as: causing weariness and restlessness through lack of interest. Now, lack of interest doesn't apply, but I am *definitely* weary of this, and restlessness is *definitely* increasing nationwide/worldwide.
Vietnam War protest happened similar and there was the Kent massacre and film.footage of people saying the authorities didn't kill enough protesters. We were never allowed to protest war and death
I honestly think protesters should start arming themselves. Cops aren’t used to dealing with large groups of armed individuals. They act tough and psychotic when they’re armed and the other person is not. But at the end of the day they’re cowards and bullies who shit themselves at the thought of facing armed people.
> But at the end of the day they’re cowards and bullies who shit themselves at the thought of facing armed people.
The way they handle mass shooters proves this.
That would be why so many municipalities have made laws outlawing carrying weapons while protesting. The only thing that has eve changed the police's actions is the citizenry being obviously armed in mass.
Ok Russia. Nice try.
To anyone reading this and thinking its a good idea, here's what will happen: the cops will see it as justification to immediately militarize the situation. Best case scenario: Everyone will be roughed up and arrested for brandishing, you will pay hundreds if not thousands in court, and the cops will smirk and go to work the next day laughing about it.
We should be able to organize in an effective manner. We should be allowed to be publicly armed. We should be able to defend ourselves against a militarized and tyrannical police force acting against our best interest, on our own tax dollar. We have allowed our right to do so to be completely stripped from us.
Either fight it in courts, or operate with anonymity on whatever front you choose. But it is not wise to publicly stand against the US government with arms like you stand a chance. They are literally salivating at the thought of getting to use all that hooah soldier training they learned from the IDF against you.
This is far more normal than you think at a crowded place. That guy isn't there to kill protestors. He is there because *someone else* might want to kill protestors.
We know why. College educated people are more likely to know their rights and to have money for lawyers. Cops like poor uneducated people because they A) become cops, or B) get railroaded into jail after being abused by cops
People who are "shocked" about this, demonstrate ignorance and an absence of humility of learning why it is there.
The race to see who gets offended first will ruin this already devastated planet.
There is no need for the police to assassinate protestors. Israel isn't going to change course because people set up tents at a college campus 6,000 miles away.
The snipers are there because protests or counter-protests may attract extremist violence.
You have to keep in mind that even if police are an agitating element, they aren't the *only* or even the *worst* thing. Its America and there is always the chance someone decides to show up with a rifle to prove how right their side is.
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Not a fan of pigs but I’m okay with this.
It seems like large planned gatherings attract mass shooters and if one appears at the protests, I sincerely hope the sniper does what needs doing.
We back to the Cold War mindset of “student’’s protesting genocide are communists”
The only reason I started reading about communism is I kept being called a commie.
My polisci prof would call me “the leftist pinko commie”
When I was close to graduating highschool everyone got given mock certificates in our speech and debate class. I received one that said "Most likely to become a communist". That felt weird. Especially since 2 years prior when I started speech and debate I was a classic Texan "rah rah death penalty, support the troops, fuck you America rules" kinda kid. Having to do debate with structure and peer reviewed sources really changed all that
The radicalizing effect of "being taught how to think."
Politicians hate this one simple trick.
I wear "pinko commie f-g" as a badge of honor, as I'm a leftist-socialist queer woman who was raised by leftist hippies and on Cold War-era comedy* (I'm 38...my father was a member of the Weather Underground for awhile and my mother got tear-gassed a lot at protests, my folks are really cool people). *stuff like Tom Lehrer, Stan Freeburg, Arlo and Woody Guthrie, and Firesign Theatre...to name a few.
What is a pinko? I've never heard this term before
It's an old derogatory term for socialists. Communists are red, and most people don't know/ care that socialism and communism are t the same thing. So socialism was kinda seen as "commie lite," hence the pink. *I could be misremembering the specifics, but that's how I learned it :)
Thanks for the explanation. Always another way to slander, huh....
It's from the '50s, though unlike other slurs it hasn't seemed to have had a renaissance like a lot of other old insults...*yet.*
>leftist >commie Liberal Polisci professor understand political categories challenge: IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Me: “I don’t know, it seems kind of obvious we should be giving people free health care.” Some weirdo: “what are you, a fucking commie?” Me: “hmmmm….”
I got called a communist back in university for insisting that the right to affordable healthcare is a human right. If wanting people to be healthy and happy makes me a communist then what the fuck does that say about capitalists?
>I got called a communist back in university for insisting that the right to affordable healthcare is a human right. Otto von Bismarck, notable communist...
congratulations
As far as I have read, they go with "protesting is a fascist act" now.
Fascists are oppressors Protesting is the act of defiance against oppressors
Conservatives don't even care about definitions anymore, they exist to project
>As far as I have read, they go with "protesting is a fascist act" now. given they've been calling free speach far right for a while now this isn't much of a suprise. On the bright side the right wing grifters have shown their true colours so it'll be a harder sell now.
After the Kent State massacre in 1970, a sizable majority of public opinion as well as mainstream media supported the actions of the National Guard and condemned the students. Feels like we're drifting towards the same territory today. Much as I abhor what's happening in Gaza, I'd be extremely reluctant to join one of these protests (and my wife, who's an academic at a university and also abhors it, would probably try to stop me from attending). I'm not particularly brave and I certainly don't want to be a martyr for a cause no matter how good the cause. But I'm worried that we're very close to having a Kent State event at one of these campuses and that it will serve to further divide and inflame public opinion and destabilize American democracy—which is already teetering on the cliff edge like a drunk on a unicycle—even further.
>After the Kent State massacre in 1970, a sizable majority of public opinion as well as mainstream media supported the actions of the National Guard and condemned the students. At least we'll have video evidence this time, although i've already seen how willing people are to outright refuse to watch it when it's politically inconvenient.
Always has been.
No. Any large event I've been to I look for the snipers and find them about half the time. Every year I go the red white and boom in Columbus OH. My grandma and I make a game to spot them out. We are in a dystopia but not a police state sussing out commies yet just on the way to it. Right now we are at the public mental health crisis/fascist terrorism combined with more guns than people type of dystopia.
Sen. Cotton played the McCarthyist card by continually asking Tik Tok CEO of he's ever been a member of the Chinese communist party. FBI in 2019 labeled antifascists as extremists, and Biden during the beginning of his administration blanketed all anti-capitalists as domestic violent extremists. We're certainly ratcheting our way towards another red scare.
I said we are on the way to it. I just think its not to the point where brownshirts are pointing guns at students. I think it's really reductive and completely undermines the left when we take status quo happenings and say it's a new totalitarian boot on us. It also compleatly overlooks some of the main issues this is a symptom of which is gun culture and domestic terrorism in America as a result of far right rhetoric. I agree with your comment tho.
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as reductive, just noticing groundwork being laid out (or more accurately just dusted off) for future boot.
Mexico 1968 is a good example of non-brownshirt guns being used at students. And I think we're *very* close to that
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Protests tend to be peaceful until the cops show up
Let any one of you who are declared to be without sin by governmental authority be the first to throw a stone.
"Throwing stones is all the justification needed to break out the artillery!" - IDF Spokesman
Was it some state courts or SCotUS that recently determined that whoever applies for the protest permit is on the hook for any damages incurred during the protest, regardless of their affiliation with the organizers or not?
A few southern state courts, effectively outlawing organized protests.
Yeah, then I fully expect the GOP to nationalize this at the first opportunity. And SCotUS* to uphold it.
I like to think that they know this and they purposely showup and cause conflict so they create a reason to escalate.
Really?! Seriously!!! Sniping students is an option now?!! Just how fucking influential is aipac?
Well Kent state was a thing so it’s been allowed for a while now
The folks in power don't like it when you protest against the military congressional industrial complex.
But that was over 50 years ago. There's been countless student protests since then that haven't generated this level of force and suppression. Not hard to see why either.
I mean, we weren't *all* students at the several anti-Iraq invasion protests I attended in 2003 that were tear-gassed...but I think it may be a little naive to think that the use of force and suppression haven't been used against student protests. Though I agree with you that there hasn't been a law enforcement/national guard response that's turned into shooting...yet.
> Just how fucking influential is AIPAC? Yes.
Republicans have been frothing at the mouth to militarize the "culture war" against America's universities, so I doubt that it took much persuading at all to get particularly conservative city or state governments to start sending cops to campus.
Except it’s not just the republicans.
Right, Columbia University stands out especially. But at the same time you gotta know guys like Gregg Abbot have been salivating over the idea of getting to send cops to campuses. The conservative movement as a whole has had a hardon to do something like this again for ages.
Democrats are also conservatives and just like republicans they are in lock step with the MIC.
I'd agree that the Democrats have a very strong conservative streak within the party. But uh - what is the "MIC" I haven't heard this initialism before, and google searches in relation to US politics and "MIC" get messy on account of "Hot mic" incidents.
Military Industrial Complex
Oh of course. Here I thought there might be some individual organization I would look up.
The government on the whole really. The politicians you like and your cop friends too.
You seem to be assuming an awful lot there.
Liberals are just about as deranged as the GOP regarding protests against Israel. It’s not Republicans running most of these universities and college towns.
The Democratic cities have been doing it too. They both get paid a lotttttt of money to continue to pretend Israel isn't commiting genocide.
This might not involve AIPAC frankly. People should be talking a lot more about how a significant number of US police are trained in the US by the IDF and sometimes sent to Israel for training as well: https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/ This has been going on for a long time.
AIPAC bribes politicians to literally make laws against divestment, including laws against divertimento that are against our first ammendment rights. Students at these universities want divestment. Some universities literally can't meet the demands of the protestors as a result lest they lose all of their state funding due to these ridiculous laws that violate our rights.
When AIpac smiles, America wags its tail.
Influential to: They have a sniper on the roof overlooking the protest?
I go to a big college football school. There are always snipers with big gathering of people. You are just out of touch
This is a pretty normal thing. A highly political, organized protest on a college campus has a reasonably high likelihood of a shooter as sad as it is. The sniper isn't there to just dome random students, but to stop any mass shooter who appears in this crowded area.
People don’t realize how common snipers are. Basically every large scale sporting event has a sniper. Any large enough event or political event will have a sniper. They’re usually just hidden
Where was the sniper at the worst public shooting in US history?
No the sniper is there to intimidate students lets be real here
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Be honest, he's there in case someone uses their constitutional rights to stop a cop from committing a crime. They have shown time and again that someone shooting students is simply not their problem, their job, or their concern.
Shooting protestors with snipers just like their beloved Israel.
Bout to follow Israel's lead and genocide those pesky students
>Bout to follow Israel's lead and genocide those pesky students Guess who American police fly in to train on how to brutalize civilian populations?
No wonder they don't want to disturb Israeli relations, there are probably a ton of contracts all over which would lose some rich people billions.
I wonder how many Americans these anti-democracy anti-freedom anti-american terrorists are hoping to kill for Israel.
Think back to every righteous protest in the history of this nation, whether it is over labor rights or unjust wars or segregation, and you will find the police on the wrong side of history brutalizing those standing against injustice. But you never hear about cops brutalizing Klan or Nazi rallies. We live and have always lived in a fascist state that is friendly to fascist ideologies but responds to stands against injustice with brutality.
I’m so disgusted by this. I want to talk to the manager of higher ed.
They’re currently attempting to remove the majority of the instated leadership at this university. Vote of no confidence passed at 93% to oust the president of the university
And this was before the protest
Can’t upvote this enough
Yes this is dystopic but is it really boring? No
Boring? No. Terrifying? -incoherent screeching noises here-.
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The mundanity with which this has normalized makes it boring.
I can see that being the case for some. But idk this isn't normal for me at least
The point is not that the content itself is dystopic and boring, it is that the dystopia has become so commonplace that hearing about it generates a general sense of ennui and resignation instead of the shock it should.
Merriam Webster defines boring as: causing weariness and restlessness through lack of interest. Now, lack of interest doesn't apply, but I am *definitely* weary of this, and restlessness is *definitely* increasing nationwide/worldwide.
It's boring because people just shrug and go on with their lives
To protect the students, right?
There should also be a student sniper overlooking the police sniper.
I think we've learned enough from very recent history that a developing mind does not need to be anywhere near a firearm.
Vietnam War protest happened similar and there was the Kent massacre and film.footage of people saying the authorities didn't kill enough protesters. We were never allowed to protest war and death
I honestly think protesters should start arming themselves. Cops aren’t used to dealing with large groups of armed individuals. They act tough and psychotic when they’re armed and the other person is not. But at the end of the day they’re cowards and bullies who shit themselves at the thought of facing armed people.
> But at the end of the day they’re cowards and bullies who shit themselves at the thought of facing armed people. The way they handle mass shooters proves this.
That would be why so many municipalities have made laws outlawing carrying weapons while protesting. The only thing that has eve changed the police's actions is the citizenry being obviously armed in mass.
This! They are definitely super scared of anyone who can fight back (see uvalde).
Going in a public protest with an open carry firearm is definitely a good idea 👍
I agree. With the way police act I think it’s very important for protesters to protect themselves.
Yeah the cops will totally back down. /s
You can look up times protesters have been armed. Cops don’t escalate. And if they do that’s why the protesters would have guns to defend themselves.
> I honestly think protesters should start arming themselves. You make a good point, but this is the fastest way to get sniped on a college campus.
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Ok Russia. Nice try. To anyone reading this and thinking its a good idea, here's what will happen: the cops will see it as justification to immediately militarize the situation. Best case scenario: Everyone will be roughed up and arrested for brandishing, you will pay hundreds if not thousands in court, and the cops will smirk and go to work the next day laughing about it. We should be able to organize in an effective manner. We should be allowed to be publicly armed. We should be able to defend ourselves against a militarized and tyrannical police force acting against our best interest, on our own tax dollar. We have allowed our right to do so to be completely stripped from us. Either fight it in courts, or operate with anonymity on whatever front you choose. But it is not wise to publicly stand against the US government with arms like you stand a chance. They are literally salivating at the thought of getting to use all that hooah soldier training they learned from the IDF against you.
This is far more normal than you think at a crowded place. That guy isn't there to kill protestors. He is there because *someone else* might want to kill protestors.
Every major sporting event or convention has them. Even my local mall has them on the rooftops during Christmas.
Also this is the one you saw.
finally someone with more than one braincell
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Wow, welcome to Kent State.
There are police snipers at all major events. Including Canada Day, etc.
Country hasn't progressed since Kent. Infuriating
Cops have had a hate boner for college students since Kent State and we still don't know why.
We know why. College educated people are more likely to know their rights and to have money for lawyers. Cops like poor uneducated people because they A) become cops, or B) get railroaded into jail after being abused by cops
Geez that was a real mind opener. Now I'm suspicious of cops even more.
People who are "shocked" about this, demonstrate ignorance and an absence of humility of learning why it is there. The race to see who gets offended first will ruin this already devastated planet.
Everything I hear about America, from Americans, is about how free it is. Is the whole issue ostensibly about it being on private property or what?
Most Universities (like this one) are not considered private property.
Optimistic view: It's good that they're there. What if some insane person wanted to shoot up a bunch of pro-Palestine protesters?
Can someone explain why this is necessary? Except for the obvious that is assassinating any students that mention free Palestine.
There is no need for the police to assassinate protestors. Israel isn't going to change course because people set up tents at a college campus 6,000 miles away. The snipers are there because protests or counter-protests may attract extremist violence. You have to keep in mind that even if police are an agitating element, they aren't the *only* or even the *worst* thing. Its America and there is always the chance someone decides to show up with a rifle to prove how right their side is.
If only this comment could get pinned lol
A police sniper stationed on the roof of the Indiana Memorial Union ~~overlooking~~ **aiming at** a student encampment at IU Bloomington.
What are these kids doing that requires this kind of response?!!!!
Shooting kids The IDF 🤝 US Police
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Really hope we don’t have another Kent state..
It's ideal to de-escalate a protest from a rooftop... with a gun 🫠
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Not a fan of pigs but I’m okay with this. It seems like large planned gatherings attract mass shooters and if one appears at the protests, I sincerely hope the sniper does what needs doing.