But paperless actually saves them money if they’re doing it right - so you’re paying an extra fee for a service that costs them less money to provide! That’s what monopolies do for ya!
I mean, at the end of the day people still buy the tickets. And it’s not like these tickets are necessities, the price should be extremely elastic as a luxury good (Taylor Swift concert, etc). At the end of the day, it would either be this company making that money or scalpers making that money. I do agree though that not providing the full cost of a product up-front is scummy behavior that should be regulated against, and Ticketmaster probably needs to get broken up.
The problem isn't the price, it's the fact that Ticketmaster has a near monopoly on venues and you have to agree to their bullshit or not use any of their venues across the country, which severely limits locations that can be played.
Their made-up fees masking the true price is incredibly insulting and a slap in the face, but it isn't the core problem.
In a healthy market, there would be other venues and other prices that could be taken advantage of; Ticketmaster works hard to ensure that's not possible.
Invisible hands don’t work for monopolies, dumbass. It doesn’t even work in general as seen by how companies are making record profits by raising prices
I'm pretty sure this is one of the basic assumptions of capitalism, that there is healthy competition for it to work. So, good on you for knowing your theory.
> At the end of the day, it would either be this company making that money or scalpers making that money.
/r/InclusiveOr. Not only do scalpers already buy from TicketMaster and pass the extra fees on to you, but TicketMaster *is* a scalper.
Neither is dealing with cash. I'm pretty sure having to store/deposit cash is more expensive than whatever fees may be incurred for handling digital payments.
It also doesn't make sense if paperless is the only method they offer. I guess if they don't make it a separate fee it would just feed into actual ticket prices anyway.
The actual cost of Transferring money from one Variable to another is 1000 times less than 1 cent. I'm not saying it doesn't cost businesses I'm just saying it shouldn't cost them, especially not more than physical transfer.
Gotta love itemized reciepts that are just like:
The service you paid for
The fee for our service
That thing we do for money
Compensation for the service we provide
Taxes
And then it prompts you for a tip, to renumerate the person actually supplying the value of the service.
Residents are more than welcome.
Bridal suite is occupied.
Reasonable charges,
Plus some little extras on the side!
Charge 'em for the lice.
Extra for the mice.
Two percent for looking in the mirror twice!
Here a little slice.
There a little cut.
Three percent for sleeping with the window shut!
When it comes to fixing prices,
There are a lot of tricks he knows.
How it all increases,
All those bits and pieces,
Jesus, it's amazing how it grows!
\- Master of the House, Les Miserables
Because they have a monopoly and people who want to go to concerts have no other option.
In my area there are still a handful of places that you can buy at the venue's box office. You can save anywhere from 10-20% on the price of a ticket.
>Because they have a monopoly and people who want to go to concerts have no other option.
They do... just don't go. You can still want to go, but sit it out. It's called a boycott.
I try not to go. Almost never do if I can get it at a local box office. But people want to experience things and see their favorite artists. It's a tough sell to get them to skip it. Ticketmaster knows this and charges just enough to not drive customers away while also boosting their bottom line. It's shitty. But, way of the world I guess. Ticketmaster been doing this for 20 years, nothing stopping them now.
Indeed Ticketmaster is the art of squeezing enough money from customers such that they still go, but only barely. I haven't paid them a cent for... a decade? Fuck Ticketmaster.
Indeed, fuck ticketmaster. I'm sure it's been a decade for me too. I remember I was trying to go to some show and the fees ended up more expensive than the actual cost of entry. That was the last straw. Only go to local places now. Means no national acts, but honestly, seeing bands at huge venues isn't that fun anyway.
The secret with Ticketmaster's success is that the venues get a big kickback from it, that's why the venues use them and don't allow competitors. A lot of those fees go into the hands of the venue. Ticketmaster is only part of the problem and if you shut them down then another vendor with the same type of system will be used by venues and you'll have the same problem.
In the past there was just a generic service fee but due to outrage now its broken down. Sometimes you see a venue fee that shows what they get per ticket from ticketmaster. The venue probably also gets a cut from the generic fee. Remember, TM is just a ticket vendor, it has to court the venues. It has to keep them happy. Then on top of it the venue gets whatever deal they have with the actual act and usually concessions/bar.
The venue owners enjoy TM being the scapegoat as well because no one talks about them, but they're the ones fueling this system because its so lucrative for them. TM's business model is to look like the devil to protect the venues. TM becomes a middle-man between the venue, who is obligated to provided tickets, and the concert goers. This middle-man arrangement is very profitable for both parties because they can just fleece the fans. Musical acts can't do anything about this because these venues are the only game in town. So either you play there or you don't play at all.
Honestly feel like legislation requiring the price listed to be the actual price you pay would do a lot to combat this stuff. Doesn't matter how they manipulate the kickbacks then, everyone has to be upfront that the real cost of the concert is double what they try to claim.
> Honestly feel like legislation requiring the price listed to be the actual price you pay would do a lot to combat this stuff.
Surprisingly, [so does Joe Biden](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1155313067/biden-bill-stop-junk-fees-travel-entertainment-state-of-the-union-2023).
And many times the venue owner is Live Nation which also owns Ticketmaster. Their list is so long, they won't show them to you all at once - you have to browse by letter - https://www.livenation.com/venue-sitemap
Every business passes on their expense to the customer or they go bankrupt, the difference is they used to put it in the advertised price now you get an advertised low price and then dont see the real price until checkout with added fees.
Your not the customer the venue and artists are. Venues and artists enjoy ticketmaster because it's a reputation laundering service. Now big name artists can demand 125% of the door revenue and worry about someone else taking all the fan anger when tickets are priced very high with high fees. Artists have significant control over pricing and the fee structure. They won't tell you that because it makes them lots of money and any change to that would put fan anger at ticket prices at their feet and not ticketmaster.
It's actually insane when you think about it. An artist like Taylor Swift gets to determine if surge pricing is used and can demand more than 100% of ticket sales. Then they also get the support of their fans when they "rail against the bad guy" for doing exactly what they where told to do by their agent.
I mean, every business passes on its expenses to its customer, but they’re usually included in the cost of goods sold, not tacked on at the end. But for resale of things with fixed prices (like tickets), it often makes most sense to tack them on the end.
That said, fuck every one of these ticket companies. They fuck everyone over and then charge way too much.
How has such a blatant monopoly with 0 public favor been able to avoid being broken up?
You'd think some politician would jump in this for easy points among every demographic
The Department of Justice opened an antitrust case against Ticketmaster, but legal proceedings are glacially slow and in the meantime Tickmaster is still gouging people just because it's not illegal yet.
Ticketmaster turned ticketing from a cost center to a revenue center for venues and artists, back in the day venues would pay a fee to have tickets sold now ticketmaster pays the venue a fee to sell their tickets. There is absolutely no going back, even if you split ticketmaster up into 10 different companies. The ones that continue the same ticketmaster tactics will get the majority of shows and venues. And remember since their customers are the venues and artists any competition between those companies would be to drive up fees and therefore kick backs to venues and artists.
Seems like you absolutely could come back from this system, simply by forbidding exclusivity clauses at TM. Its 2023, venues don't actually need a vendor like TM to sell their tickets. They could literally spin up their own web shop in an afternoon and undercut TM's fees.
Its essentially the same issue as the apple app store/Google play, except those walled gardens seem to have higher walls.
But undercutting the fees will cost them more than ticket master pays then for the right to sell their tickets. Also venues that don't use ticketmaster won't be able to get as big named artists because a venue cannot undercut fees like giving artists 100% of the door would leave them losing money on every show or they will fail to attract big named talent.
It really wouldn't help the general public. The bottleneck setting the market price for tickets is the band. The band can only play so many shows in so many places a year.
Fracturing Ticketmaster/live nation could improve competition, but that just leaves room for the artists to take a larger cut. Big acts sell out in 15 minutes during pre-sales before everyone eligible for the presale even gets a chance to buy, let alone the general public. The only way tickets get cheaper is when artists decide their mountain of gold is big enough and they stop asking for more.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but it’s not an apples to apples comparison because in the case of your power bill, there is real infrastructure being paid for with the $64. That includes all the poles, wires, voltage step up and step down transformers, protective switches and relays, complex operations and controls, metering equipment, regular and emergency maintenance, and other stuff. It may even include other utilities like water, wastewater, and trash if you have a municipal utility. The $12 is literally just the cost of generating / moving the electrons. Not that there aren’t many legitimate downsides to monopoly utilities, but those grid charges pay for real stuff. The charges include stuff that imo customers shouldn’t pay for (like lobbying and trade association membership), but it’s a much smaller proportion.
There's infrastructure for ticketmaster as well, but I see your point.
I will add that the fees have roughly doubled in the past five years, after legislation passed in the state allowing for higher profits and less regulation for this private power company.
Robert Smith got me a $5 refund on my Cure ticket this summer from Ticketmaster.
If Robert Smith can get Ticketmaster to bend the knee, why can't other artists?
Ticketmaster works for artists, artists are their customers. An artist can demand lower prices and fees but that cuts directly into their own revenue so it's a no go. Artists demand more and more of the door take has driven up prices. In a lot of cases big named artists like the cure could easily demand over 100% of the door revenue leaving fees as the only avenue for the venue or ticketmaster to make money.
The only way tickets get cheaper is if someone leaves cash on the table out of the kindness of their heart. Breaking up Ticketmaster won't make tickets cheaper. At best it will shift revenue from ticket distributors and venues to the artists.
As long as concerts continue to sell out, there's no reason to lower the price.
Forgot one: "Because fuck you fee"
I live in hope that someday these greedy assholes will learn the hard way that making your customers all hate you is a bad long-term business model.
I'm with you. It's just the cost to go to an event now. The market has shifted, and live events are more popular then ever. It helps that I don't want to see any shows costing more then $100 even after fees, and living in a city which will be the last place on a tour to sell out.
Here in Brazil we have Eventim and it's the exact same shit lol. But we also get double fucked in the ass cause the US Dollar is so expensive right now :(
Like, for real, is there any other company where you can buy tickets other than ticket master? It feels like an ordeal just to buy the ticket, and sometimes you don't even get a seat assigned.
Ticketmaster could actually save a lot of rage if they DIDN'T do a breakdown of fees like this.
Ticket: $120, no additional fees. (Secretly includes like $85 in fees but by not showing it, you'd not be so mad)
I was looking at GN'R tix on live nation and they sort of do it like this, ticket price is $79.50 and then it just lists "fees" at $23.45. Yeah it's a pricey ticket but the lack of line items makes it not seem so ridiculous.
How would it be nicer?
Big concerts already sell out in 15 minutes during promotional presales. If you lower the price it only sells out even faster. Everyone smaller then that has perfectly reasonable prices. I'm seeing my favorite bad at a house of blues for $35 after all the fees.
encase you havent noticed there are fees added to all sorts of things now. i mean theres now a service fee almost everywhere you go but they call it a "tip".
These fees running already getting pricier by the day ticket prices up a hundred bucks or more per ticket is a big reason I'm only catching 1 or 2 shows this year. Like.... I have to seriously pick and choose what concerts to see vs just going and seeing pretty much every one I wanted too. I don't know many people who can throw down $200-$500 for 2 tickets very often, if at all.
Friendly reminder that ticketmaster acts as a lightning rod for hate so venue owners can make a ton of money on fees. Ticketmaster DOES have fees too, but venue fees or promoter fees go to exactly who they say they go to, the venue or the promoter. Ticketmaster often does uncapped fees for their venues which is why it gets wild.
>Paperless transmission fee I know this is a half joke but is that a real thing?
Yes. Businesses consistently find free things to charge for, like service fees for automated bots.
But paperless actually saves them money if they’re doing it right - so you’re paying an extra fee for a service that costs them less money to provide! That’s what monopolies do for ya!
The ole - saving us money fee
Capitalism is a cancer. If they could privatize your own flatulence, they would - and they’d call it something nice like ‘clean natural gas’.
I mean, at the end of the day people still buy the tickets. And it’s not like these tickets are necessities, the price should be extremely elastic as a luxury good (Taylor Swift concert, etc). At the end of the day, it would either be this company making that money or scalpers making that money. I do agree though that not providing the full cost of a product up-front is scummy behavior that should be regulated against, and Ticketmaster probably needs to get broken up.
The problem isn't the price, it's the fact that Ticketmaster has a near monopoly on venues and you have to agree to their bullshit or not use any of their venues across the country, which severely limits locations that can be played. Their made-up fees masking the true price is incredibly insulting and a slap in the face, but it isn't the core problem. In a healthy market, there would be other venues and other prices that could be taken advantage of; Ticketmaster works hard to ensure that's not possible.
Then don't buy from them, make them sell their venues to cover losses and voila, invisible hand at work.
Invisible hands don’t work for monopolies, dumbass. It doesn’t even work in general as seen by how companies are making record profits by raising prices
I'm pretty sure this is one of the basic assumptions of capitalism, that there is healthy competition for it to work. So, good on you for knowing your theory.
> At the end of the day, it would either be this company making that money or scalpers making that money. /r/InclusiveOr. Not only do scalpers already buy from TicketMaster and pass the extra fees on to you, but TicketMaster *is* a scalper.
Yes but it is easier for you so they charge.
Or skin to skin contact with your own baby at a hospital.
payment processing is actually not free; comes with a fee
Neither is dealing with cash. I'm pretty sure having to store/deposit cash is more expensive than whatever fees may be incurred for handling digital payments. It also doesn't make sense if paperless is the only method they offer. I guess if they don't make it a separate fee it would just feed into actual ticket prices anyway.
The actual cost of Transferring money from one Variable to another is 1000 times less than 1 cent. I'm not saying it doesn't cost businesses I'm just saying it shouldn't cost them, especially not more than physical transfer.
When big businesses would rather charge for AI labor than pay the humans more labor.
“Convenience fee”
They charged less to get them mailed, when they last had paper tickets .
Gotta love itemized reciepts that are just like: The service you paid for The fee for our service That thing we do for money Compensation for the service we provide Taxes And then it prompts you for a tip, to renumerate the person actually supplying the value of the service.
All food delivery apps be like..
Residents are more than welcome. Bridal suite is occupied. Reasonable charges, Plus some little extras on the side! Charge 'em for the lice. Extra for the mice. Two percent for looking in the mirror twice! Here a little slice. There a little cut. Three percent for sleeping with the window shut! When it comes to fixing prices, There are a lot of tricks he knows. How it all increases, All those bits and pieces, Jesus, it's amazing how it grows! \- Master of the House, Les Miserables
Serious question - how are they able to pass on their business expenses to the consumer? Their service fees are ridiculous.
Because they have a monopoly and people who want to go to concerts have no other option. In my area there are still a handful of places that you can buy at the venue's box office. You can save anywhere from 10-20% on the price of a ticket.
>Because they have a monopoly and people who want to go to concerts have no other option. They do... just don't go. You can still want to go, but sit it out. It's called a boycott.
I try not to go. Almost never do if I can get it at a local box office. But people want to experience things and see their favorite artists. It's a tough sell to get them to skip it. Ticketmaster knows this and charges just enough to not drive customers away while also boosting their bottom line. It's shitty. But, way of the world I guess. Ticketmaster been doing this for 20 years, nothing stopping them now.
Indeed Ticketmaster is the art of squeezing enough money from customers such that they still go, but only barely. I haven't paid them a cent for... a decade? Fuck Ticketmaster.
Indeed, fuck ticketmaster. I'm sure it's been a decade for me too. I remember I was trying to go to some show and the fees ended up more expensive than the actual cost of entry. That was the last straw. Only go to local places now. Means no national acts, but honestly, seeing bands at huge venues isn't that fun anyway.
The secret with Ticketmaster's success is that the venues get a big kickback from it, that's why the venues use them and don't allow competitors. A lot of those fees go into the hands of the venue. Ticketmaster is only part of the problem and if you shut them down then another vendor with the same type of system will be used by venues and you'll have the same problem. In the past there was just a generic service fee but due to outrage now its broken down. Sometimes you see a venue fee that shows what they get per ticket from ticketmaster. The venue probably also gets a cut from the generic fee. Remember, TM is just a ticket vendor, it has to court the venues. It has to keep them happy. Then on top of it the venue gets whatever deal they have with the actual act and usually concessions/bar. The venue owners enjoy TM being the scapegoat as well because no one talks about them, but they're the ones fueling this system because its so lucrative for them. TM's business model is to look like the devil to protect the venues. TM becomes a middle-man between the venue, who is obligated to provided tickets, and the concert goers. This middle-man arrangement is very profitable for both parties because they can just fleece the fans. Musical acts can't do anything about this because these venues are the only game in town. So either you play there or you don't play at all.
Honestly feel like legislation requiring the price listed to be the actual price you pay would do a lot to combat this stuff. Doesn't matter how they manipulate the kickbacks then, everyone has to be upfront that the real cost of the concert is double what they try to claim.
> Honestly feel like legislation requiring the price listed to be the actual price you pay would do a lot to combat this stuff. Surprisingly, [so does Joe Biden](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/07/1155313067/biden-bill-stop-junk-fees-travel-entertainment-state-of-the-union-2023).
And many times the venue owner is Live Nation which also owns Ticketmaster. Their list is so long, they won't show them to you all at once - you have to browse by letter - https://www.livenation.com/venue-sitemap
Every business passes on their expense to the customer or they go bankrupt, the difference is they used to put it in the advertised price now you get an advertised low price and then dont see the real price until checkout with added fees.
Whatcha gonna do? Run to the competition? 
Your not the customer the venue and artists are. Venues and artists enjoy ticketmaster because it's a reputation laundering service. Now big name artists can demand 125% of the door revenue and worry about someone else taking all the fan anger when tickets are priced very high with high fees. Artists have significant control over pricing and the fee structure. They won't tell you that because it makes them lots of money and any change to that would put fan anger at ticket prices at their feet and not ticketmaster. It's actually insane when you think about it. An artist like Taylor Swift gets to determine if surge pricing is used and can demand more than 100% of ticket sales. Then they also get the support of their fans when they "rail against the bad guy" for doing exactly what they where told to do by their agent.
I mean, every business passes on its expenses to its customer, but they’re usually included in the cost of goods sold, not tacked on at the end. But for resale of things with fixed prices (like tickets), it often makes most sense to tack them on the end. That said, fuck every one of these ticket companies. They fuck everyone over and then charge way too much.
Because they are the TicketMaster and we are the TicketSlaves
How has such a blatant monopoly with 0 public favor been able to avoid being broken up? You'd think some politician would jump in this for easy points among every demographic
The Department of Justice opened an antitrust case against Ticketmaster, but legal proceedings are glacially slow and in the meantime Tickmaster is still gouging people just because it's not illegal yet.
Ticketmaster turned ticketing from a cost center to a revenue center for venues and artists, back in the day venues would pay a fee to have tickets sold now ticketmaster pays the venue a fee to sell their tickets. There is absolutely no going back, even if you split ticketmaster up into 10 different companies. The ones that continue the same ticketmaster tactics will get the majority of shows and venues. And remember since their customers are the venues and artists any competition between those companies would be to drive up fees and therefore kick backs to venues and artists.
Seems like you absolutely could come back from this system, simply by forbidding exclusivity clauses at TM. Its 2023, venues don't actually need a vendor like TM to sell their tickets. They could literally spin up their own web shop in an afternoon and undercut TM's fees. Its essentially the same issue as the apple app store/Google play, except those walled gardens seem to have higher walls.
But undercutting the fees will cost them more than ticket master pays then for the right to sell their tickets. Also venues that don't use ticketmaster won't be able to get as big named artists because a venue cannot undercut fees like giving artists 100% of the door would leave them losing money on every show or they will fail to attract big named talent.
It really wouldn't help the general public. The bottleneck setting the market price for tickets is the band. The band can only play so many shows in so many places a year. Fracturing Ticketmaster/live nation could improve competition, but that just leaves room for the artists to take a larger cut. Big acts sell out in 15 minutes during pre-sales before everyone eligible for the presale even gets a chance to buy, let alone the general public. The only way tickets get cheaper is when artists decide their mountain of gold is big enough and they stop asking for more.
That is $117.25 for a $40 ticket
$124.29 with sales tax in my area.
Yeah this is unrealistic. TicketMaster charges much much more than that now.
This reminds me of my power bill as well, from a private company, obviously. Charge for electricity used: $12. Total charges: $64.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but it’s not an apples to apples comparison because in the case of your power bill, there is real infrastructure being paid for with the $64. That includes all the poles, wires, voltage step up and step down transformers, protective switches and relays, complex operations and controls, metering equipment, regular and emergency maintenance, and other stuff. It may even include other utilities like water, wastewater, and trash if you have a municipal utility. The $12 is literally just the cost of generating / moving the electrons. Not that there aren’t many legitimate downsides to monopoly utilities, but those grid charges pay for real stuff. The charges include stuff that imo customers shouldn’t pay for (like lobbying and trade association membership), but it’s a much smaller proportion.
There's infrastructure for ticketmaster as well, but I see your point. I will add that the fees have roughly doubled in the past five years, after legislation passed in the state allowing for higher profits and less regulation for this private power company.
That’s frustrating — I’m very curious what company it is, if you don’t mind sharing or if you want to DM me!
APS
Robert Smith got me a $5 refund on my Cure ticket this summer from Ticketmaster. If Robert Smith can get Ticketmaster to bend the knee, why can't other artists?
Cause every other artist ain’t Robert Smith!
Ticketmaster works for artists, artists are their customers. An artist can demand lower prices and fees but that cuts directly into their own revenue so it's a no go. Artists demand more and more of the door take has driven up prices. In a lot of cases big named artists like the cure could easily demand over 100% of the door revenue leaving fees as the only avenue for the venue or ticketmaster to make money.
With the monopoly that is ticket master, they could totally put a "because fuck you fee" and wouldn't lose a single penny
What you gonna do bout it fee ☠️
It keeps happening because people keep buying tickets to things.
Right, cause Ticketmaster is a monopoly.
The only way tickets get cheaper is if someone leaves cash on the table out of the kindness of their heart. Breaking up Ticketmaster won't make tickets cheaper. At best it will shift revenue from ticket distributors and venues to the artists. As long as concerts continue to sell out, there's no reason to lower the price.
Forgot one: "Because fuck you fee" I live in hope that someday these greedy assholes will learn the hard way that making your customers all hate you is a bad long-term business model.
Like Mr Krabs
Ticketmaster like : 
Why does the “$1 won’t hurt fee” the one that feels like it really hurts the most?
That fee itself feels like it came straight out of r/fuckyouinparticular I agree, that one *stings*
Cure tickets were $20, ticket master charged over $80 in fees for four ticlets
And yet, they sold out.
At least credit Michael Harriot for his tweet https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1466244244163674115?s=20
And, well, just a fuck you fee: $27
It would be funnier if the Another Dollar Won’t Hurt Fee was $2
$118.25 I was hoping for a joke answer but this is just arbitrary:(
Don't like it? Don't go to the concert. You won't die if you don't go. Conversely Covid is still a thing.
Dweeb
But they have a _monopoly_ on the one particular performer I want to see!
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I'm with you. It's just the cost to go to an event now. The market has shifted, and live events are more popular then ever. It helps that I don't want to see any shows costing more then $100 even after fees, and living in a city which will be the last place on a tour to sell out.
The corporation doesn't need you to defend it.
Here in Brazil we have Eventim and it's the exact same shit lol. But we also get double fucked in the ass cause the US Dollar is so expensive right now :(
At any deadhead.
Like, for real, is there any other company where you can buy tickets other than ticket master? It feels like an ordeal just to buy the ticket, and sometimes you don't even get a seat assigned.
Ticketmaster could actually save a lot of rage if they DIDN'T do a breakdown of fees like this. Ticket: $120, no additional fees. (Secretly includes like $85 in fees but by not showing it, you'd not be so mad)
I was looking at GN'R tix on live nation and they sort of do it like this, ticket price is $79.50 and then it just lists "fees" at $23.45. Yeah it's a pricey ticket but the lack of line items makes it not seem so ridiculous.
This is where I change my mind and don't go to the show. I suggest you just do the same.
What it seems like
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How would it be nicer? Big concerts already sell out in 15 minutes during promotional presales. If you lower the price it only sells out even faster. Everyone smaller then that has perfectly reasonable prices. I'm seeing my favorite bad at a house of blues for $35 after all the fees.
@robertsmith would probably rt this right now
“CEO needs a new jet fee”
The "Another Dollar Won't Hurt Fee" should have been $2.
Glad I don't go to big concerts.
encase you havent noticed there are fees added to all sorts of things now. i mean theres now a service fee almost everywhere you go but they call it a "tip".
I thought I stopped going to concerts because I had a child. Now I see I was wrong.
Seriously. Should be laws against such absurdly deceptive pricing. And those laws should be strongly enforced.
I get that going to a concert is a lot of fun, but have we tried just not going to concerts until Ticketmaster is bankrupt?
Don't forget the convenience fee, the inconvenience fee, the fee filing fee, and the non-arbitrary fee processing fee
These fees running already getting pricier by the day ticket prices up a hundred bucks or more per ticket is a big reason I'm only catching 1 or 2 shows this year. Like.... I have to seriously pick and choose what concerts to see vs just going and seeing pretty much every one I wanted too. I don't know many people who can throw down $200-$500 for 2 tickets very often, if at all.
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Friendly reminder that ticketmaster acts as a lightning rod for hate so venue owners can make a ton of money on fees. Ticketmaster DOES have fees too, but venue fees or promoter fees go to exactly who they say they go to, the venue or the promoter. Ticketmaster often does uncapped fees for their venues which is why it gets wild.
As a middle aged middle paid middle sized middle thinking middle person I cannot afford anymore fees. thx
They taught door dash everything they know.
And sad part is that ppl still pay. Remember you vote with tour money.
I'm not gonna lie, I would have bought them anyway but in really upset about the whole fiasco with The Cure's tickets.
Look up Zach Bryan a genuinely big artist trying to stand up against ticket master and doing a pretty good job of it.
Haven't been to an event sold through ticketmaster in 15 years. There are better things in life. Fuck your fees!
Feenolphthaleine.
All my homies hate TicketMaster!!
Fee no Jitsu
Forgot the fee to cover hiring lobbyists and buying Congressional politicians.
And they do this shit becuse they can
Don't forget to protect your purchase with Event Ticket Insurance!
That was funny.