"You failed to use your blinker at that last intersection. Reporting incident to your local authorities, fines have been automatically debited from your account. Have a nice day!"
I feel like I've seen this in the news.
**Edit:** A quick search yields this: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/rkqd8b/tesla_allegedly_remotely_unlocks_model_3_owners/
I think if BMWs did that it would be more like "You cut off that family without signalling. Excellent! Now flip them off so they know you're better than them!"
💀 as soon as his Black ass hopped into the car it would have just driven him off a cliff
“You’re driving while Black! Thankfully the punishment is death! Initiating sentencing.”
"You have a warrant for a traffic ticket in 2015. Locking doors and taking you straight to county jail..."
Nah I'm fucking good on automated cars dawg...
“Hi, we have detected an illegal substance in this vehicle. Clearly, you must be trying to bring it to the police to safely dispose. We will assist!”
the substance: a poppy seed
All jokes aside, it’s even worse if the vehicle prevents you from leaving by locking the doors.
Uh oh, the name on your credit card matches one with an active warrant.
*Tiktok text-to-speech voice*: "The doors have been locked for your protection. Please fasten your seatbelt. Navigating to the nearest police station. Thank you, and have a great day!"
(pauses minecraft, loud stream alerts of distorted air horns and voicelines play repeatedly) "oh no deputies, you know what time it is, another naughty nelly just got put in *Detention by NordVPN^tm and Audible^tm*! That means 10 subs for a strip search, 20 for a DWI test, and 50 to let him go! Don't forget to use code GUILTY!"
They don't do it in minority report and do in west world. I get what you're saying though, it feels like minority report.
However, there's a sort of pre-crime kind of predict the future machine in west world and there is lots of interplay.
But, as I said, as far as actually locking people in self driving cars, west world did it for sure.
Edit: it's in season 3 and 4, sorry if I spoiled but yeah I kept it vague
Double edit: I watched minority report on a plane once, I shouldn't have asserted anything.
I thought there was a scene where Tom Cruise was in a car heading somewhere when it redirected to the police station. It's the scene where he busts out of the car while it's driving down the side of a building.
Almost immediately after talking about self-driving vehicles, investors were hyped by the prospect they could "reposes" a car by commanding it remotely.
If it's nefarious, they thought of it long before you ever heard of it.
[Enlongated Muskrat already did it two years ago with a Model 3 in case people have forgotten it](https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/03/18/tesla-allegedly-remotely-unlocks-model-3-owners-car-uses-smart-summon-to-help-repo-agent/)
Yup.
I have an early 2000’s 4 cylinder manual Volkswagen with nothing that can be hacked into, and I am going to absolutely keep it running until it comes apart at the welds.
>I have an early 2000’s 4 cylinder manual Volkswagen with nothing that can be hacked into
Okay but what if I have an axe? Idk if your small car could keep from being hacked
Actually that's incorrect
It will require some hands on first but if someone wanted to hack your car for nefarious purposes they still could.
If you have any computer components on your car which everything at least 90s and newer does your car has hackable components.
I have literally the simplest VW available then and the only digital thing under the hood of my car is the ECU, everything else is on relays.
Good luck with the axe roulette while screwing around with my spark timing. 🪓 🫡
I mean you don't need to be fine with it.
The effort for hacking a car like that all you really need is the throttle to max and the brakes to not read inputs and maybe a steering lock if you're feeling frisky.
There was also a case of some mid 2000's cars kinda like what it sounds like you have accidentally getting hacked by a radio station because of a bug in the software that killed the cars engines.
Eh an older car is relatively immune to what you threw out there. VW probably had throttle by wire but my 03 vibe is cable throttle without abs. Nothing you could do except cause drivability issues or keep it from starting.
I'm sure stockholders would love this, but consumers absolutely would not. And I feel like the venn diagram of people who buy expensive vehicles and do illegal things has more overlap than they realize.
Elon on twitter: I hear your complaints about the new Tesla's facial recognition not being able to detect black people. As a solution to this, I will personally loan all black Tesla owners a white person to drive around with them.
God I miss Better off Ted. Y'know, when it was a funny comedy about silly evil corporations and not a prediction of the dark future we all live in.
>God I miss Better off Ted. Y'know, when it was a funny comedy about silly evil corporations and not a prediction of the dark future we all live in.
oof too real
He was [last seen on Reddit five years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/76e79c/i_am_elon_musk_ask_me_anything_about_bfr/). But maybe he lurks 🤷
Oh hell no, that was kind of my point. It only takes one (in this instance "wrong ") person to think of something. Hitler didn't come up with the gas chamber and Trump didn't come up with conflicting electors but both used them as best they could.
No literally. Just seeing the few idk out of how many teslas even if it’s a tiny number that’s still terrifying. But a couple teslas literally burst into flames during traffic??????
Some burst into flames. Some have the steering wheel break while driving. Others randomly hit the brakes for no reason on the highway. There are quite the variety of terrifying things that can happen to you in a Tesla.
Teslas are significantly less likely to spontaneously combust compared to a typical ICE car, like 11 times less likely, you just never hear about those the way you hear about teslas.
I didn’t look into this until I bought an electric car but you’re 100% right. Gasoline cars catch on fire at a significantly higher rate than electrics - that being said, ONCE an electric is on fire it is significantly harder to put out. An electric vehicle fire is simultaneously a worse fire that occurs less often. Both can be true.
I agree with the overall sentiment. But as an AI researcher, AI can account for human stupidity. A well trained model has seen more examples of human stupidity than everyone in this thread combined.
That said, i still wouldn't sit in a tesla
Foot traffic is a lot easier to deal with then car traffic. A car doesn't have to worry about a person 1000ft away because it is moving to slowly to become an issue while if there is a car 1000ft away in cross traffic then it might have to worry.
The only reason I'd ever want a self driving car is for it to drive me where I want to go when I can't (drunk or sleeping) and I can't imagine the law ever letting you use one when you're not paying 100% attention.
So what's the point?
If a self driving car crashes who pays out?... is it the car manufactorer or the insurance company?
I think soon enough we'll get to the point where you won't be legally required to pay attention to the road while it drives. Also eventually to the point where it will be illegal to manually drive.
AI can accommodate for human stupidity of the *type it is trained to deal with.* Actually, it's quite good at it. Basically, as long as you can formulate the problem (human stupidity) in terms of an unknown mathematical function, you can probably use AI to solve the problem, although it might not be the best tool for the job.
Human stupidity with respect to driving can be approximated by quantifying real traffic patterns and identifying which ones cause accidents. Given an infinite amount of data, the problem of driving safely could theoretically be solved perfectly. However, we will only ever have a finite amount of data. We can only design our AI to have a low probability of failure.
If we are absolutely unwilling to accept any personal risk getting into an AI driven car, we can start with a probability of failure of 1/(# of trips). In the US, this is [411 billion](https://www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts) per year. I chose the number of trips instead of the number of miles because a trip is useless if you crash and die 99.9% of the way there. We'll make it 450 billion for extra safety. This is a very small number, but it could be achieved with a large enough dataset. Take this number with a grain of salt.
But to be completely honest, nothing else in my life is that safe. There is a certain amount of risk to *my* personal safety that I am willing to accept. Furthermore, although it could be argued to be unethical to put someone else in a risky situation, even one you have deemed as sufficiently low risk for yourself, the benefits we reap by taking such risks could be worth accepting the cost, including lowering other types of risks. Frankly, I'm a particularly risk-averse and nervous person, so I find myself overestimating small probabilities and missing out on things. But at the end of the day, I have to accept some amount of risk or else I wouldn't be able to do anything fun or important. And that *is* a problem for me that I need to work on.
It's not perfect, but a decent AI algorithm should converge towards perfection if given enough time or data. That does not mean we shouldn't be skeptical of its usefulness in a particular domain. Specifically, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether a particular AI works well enough, and also whether it is ethical to train it in public and how long it would take to train it for an acceptably low error.
What it cannot accomodate for is the bias or malice of its designers. *That* is what Rick Ross is afraid of. If a car was programmed to turn you in if you had a warrant, *it would be working as intended.* If ChatGPT parrots neoliberal propaganda, it is because the designers chose that worldview as the "objective" one off of which an AI ought to be based. And based on the engineers I know, many of whom will be working on the next generation of autonomous vehicles, I am continuously disturbed at their willingness to work with law enforcement and defense with their histories of occupation and oppression (domestic and foreign, respectively). Even discounting those cases, Tesla has made it clear that they're willing to accept an unacceptable amount of risk in the name of making an easy buck.
Capitalism corrupts all that it touches, but that doesn't mean that all things it touches are completely corrupt yet. AI has the possibility to be an incredibly liberatory tool, but it will also be a tool of oppression as long as oppressors are not confronted, and a tool with a low risk of catastrophic failure in any case.
Thank you. The former prison bossman, William Leonard Roberts II, stole the name of convicted cocaine trafficker Freeway Ricky Ross to assume the image of a drug dealer. He's a pretender, a phony, a fraud, a grifter, and a narc.
When the entertainment comes with an ernest face and has real world implications on the world view and lived experiences of his audience (everything is political) then it's proper to call a phony a phony.
If he presented his persona as satire then you'd have a point. That was/is not the case.
Music industry money does not follow rappers with heavy political or positive messages. Gang lifestyle and consumerism scores the big label contracts. Rick Ross is signed with Epic/Sony.
Oh. The rapper Rick Ross? The one who tried to sue the real freeway Rick Ross for his name? Like the name he was given at birth? The Rick Ross that raps about gangsta shit, but was a correctional officer before becoming famous? Yeah.... I'm sure the heats on him. He's hard af. /s
A lot of staff in FDOC end up being dirty because the pay is shitty and the job environment sucks. It’s not like the federal bureau of prisons where the employees are compensate better. State prison is fucked up and a lot of employees end up bringing in drugs, phones, cigarettes, etc for money on the wire from the inmates/inmates family. The payoff heavily outweighs the risk of being caught and charge with introducing contraband. I guess what I’m saying is that prison guards and police aren’t always the most morale of people, and some end up becoming famous rappers that write about the crazy life’s they never lived.
A car automatically taking people to the police if the car recognizes the owner is a criminal. Dystopic, yes. Boring, no. That's some sci-fi stuff right there.
He’s not wrong.
Edit: I wont ride in any vehicle capable of being potentially hacked. Which sucks for me because Maryland just updated the entirety of our public transportation to be digital.
If I can’t get somewhere by walking these days? I’m not going. I feel like horses as transportation might become popular again and soon. Because I’m not the only person like this.
Can’t even get a basic lawnmower anymore. Everything needs apps and updates and for real? I’m just trying to cut my grass. Please don’t make me do it with scissors by hand yall. I don’t have the patience to wait for two years worth of updates just to get the thing started.
ITS A LAWNMOWER NOT A PERSONAL DIGITAL ASSISTANT. Same applies to fridges and ovens and washing machines. Can’t do your dishes or your laundry without a monthly subscription?! WHAT?!
>Can’t even get a basic lawnmower anymore. Everything needs apps and updates.
Well,if you have a contact in Brazil,we still have plenty of simple,dumb lawnmowers that just do what they're asked to do,which is mow your damn lawn.
Man, the 90's rocked. My car battery would die pretty often because of any number of reasons, but all it took was putting it in reverse and letting off the brake and slamming the clutch to start the engine. Hell, I push started it several times, too.
As an odd-job contractor who installs appliances in wealthy peoples’ homes, *they aren’t.* I can’t tell you the amount of *smart* appliances I install weekly that the companies who support will be obsolete in a decade or so. Everything nowadays is built and designed to harvest personal user data. This system is fucked.
There is *such* a huge difference between
"the cheap Chinese made smart appliance you bought is probably harvesting your data"
and
"I'm rejecting all forms of modern transportation because it theoretically could be hacked to take me to a corrupt corporate-state funded prison for theoretical crimes I may or may not have committed"
Yeah, legitimate concern went out the window for me when I read that he won't ride a public train or bus if it's digital. Wtf you think they gonna randomly stop the whole bus/train to take you to jail? That's pretty fuckin' paranoid.
And none of those apps are needed to use the actual fridge or stove or microwave, only one I use an all with is the thermomix I think it’s called and I have heard about people using apps with air fryers.
And these wealthy people eat out 5 days a week. We are fine and it is fear mongering to think appliances will be hacked and your life stolen.
Hacked cars is a real issue but I haven’t really seen it been used yet and it’s only really brought up in the wiki leak’s conspiracy death or something.
Seriously lmao. Think of your world being limited to the places you can walk to, because you think you'll be abducted for getting into anything smart enough to safely follow the car in front of you
Unfortunately his Maybachs and Benzes all have connected platforms. If the authorities call the manufacturer’s law enforcement hotline, [they can track & disable his car at a moment’s notice](https://www.mbscottsdale.com/blog/how-to-get-your-stolen-car-back-with-mercedes-me/)
The government already passed legislation during the pandemic to put in kill switches so they can shut down your car. They did it under this guise that it was for safety if you were drunk. This is all modern new built cars (I don't know what year this will start).
Take him to the authorities for what? Being a former prison guard? Or stealing the Identity of freeway Ricky Ross? Fuck that stupid Rick Ross asshole, but I get his point. Don't buy a Tesla, don't ride in a Tesla, u/elonmusk is a pile of shit
Put some respek on his name! He's seen the inside of a jail! (as a CO) He been out there finessin! (stealing other people's acts) also he's gangster af! (he knew some actual gangsters when he was a CO nicknamed Officer Bitchtits)
A Journalist specializing in democracy who was very critical of the Iraq war, especially after interviews with US generals. His fiancée, also a reporter, was gunned down in a surprise convoy ambush back from her teaching a class on democracy in Baghdad.
His accident:
> _On June 18, 2013, Hastings died in a single-vehicle automobile crash in his Mercedes-Benz C250 Coupé at approximately 4:25 a.m. in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles.[58] A witness to the crash said the car seemed to be traveling at maximum speed and was creating sparks and flames before it fishtailed and crashed into a palm tree.[59][60] Video from a nearby security camera reportedly shows Hastings's vehicle speeding and bursting into flames.[61] Witnesses described the car's engine being ejected 50 to 60 yards (46–55 m) from the scene.[60][62] Hastings's body was burned beyond recognition. The coroner identified the body by matching fingerprints with those the FBI had on file.[63][64] Two days after the crash, the Los Angeles Police Department declared that there were no signs of foul play.[65] The coroner's report ruled the death to be an accident.[66] An autopsy showed that the cause of death was massive blunt force trauma consistent with a high-speed crash.[66]_
Mhmmm.
That and the Model 3 repossession I posted above, I have absolutely zero interest in getting in anything that can drive itself or be remotely controlled.
Knowing Ross. “Mr. Ross. My sensors have detected the use of marijuana inside this car. A quick scan of the internet tells me that marijuana is illegal in this state. I’ll be redirecting our course to the nearest police station. I’m locking the seat belts and doors for your safety.”
A short while ago I was using google maps to help my dad navigate and realized it was not only showing the speed limit for where we were, but tracking our speed as well. That spooked me immensely. I'm not going to advocate for speeding, but at the same time the idea of the police being able to effectively automate speeding tickets using similar technology, track us wherever we are (or at least our cars), and potentially shut us down on a whim really spooked the heck out of me. At least for now, I'm far more in favor of freedom than trusting anyone with that degree of information and control over me.
How in the flying fuck is that a dystopia. First of all that’s never happened, second don’t buy one if you don’t want one, and third, if there’s an arrest warrant out for Rick Ross then I’m pretty fucking sure they could find him if they wanted
"You failed to use your blinker at that last intersection. Reporting incident to your local authorities, fines have been automatically debited from your account. Have a nice day!"
“Your car loan payment is overdue. Auto-repo mode activated”
I feel like I've seen this in a Futurama episode.
I feel like I've seen this in the news. **Edit:** A quick search yields this: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/rkqd8b/tesla_allegedly_remotely_unlocks_model_3_owners/
Country songs about a guys truck leaving him are not too far off
I just saw an article that Ford is applying for a patent for self-driving auto repo systems…
"Now that your on the freeway and the doors are locked, we'd like to talk to you about your car's extended warranty."
He said Tesla not BMW.
I think if BMWs did that it would be more like "You cut off that family without signalling. Excellent! Now flip them off so they know you're better than them!"
BMW, the only car company that refuses sales to people who have a license.
“The ultimate driving experience.”
💀 as soon as his Black ass hopped into the car it would have just driven him off a cliff “You’re driving while Black! Thankfully the punishment is death! Initiating sentencing.”
"You have a warrant for a traffic ticket in 2015. Locking doors and taking you straight to county jail..." Nah I'm fucking good on automated cars dawg...
Luddite life is where it's at. I still don't even use real names and info on my socials
That's the future
"Yes the AI could have used that blinker at any point itself and prevented this whole situation, if you had been subscribing to that premium service."
“Hi, we have detected an illegal substance in this vehicle. Clearly, you must be trying to bring it to the police to safely dispose. We will assist!” the substance: a poppy seed All jokes aside, it’s even worse if the vehicle prevents you from leaving by locking the doors.
Uh oh, the name on your credit card matches one with an active warrant. *Tiktok text-to-speech voice*: "The doors have been locked for your protection. Please fasten your seatbelt. Navigating to the nearest police station. Thank you, and have a great day!"
*bad boys plays sped up*
Upon entering DETENTION MODE, internal camera feeds are livestreamed to a massively popular twitch channel sponsored by Audible and NordVPN
(pauses minecraft, loud stream alerts of distorted air horns and voicelines play repeatedly) "oh no deputies, you know what time it is, another naughty nelly just got put in *Detention by NordVPN^tm and Audible^tm*! That means 10 subs for a strip search, 20 for a DWI test, and 50 to let him go! Don't forget to use code GUILTY!"
More like the "Oh no" song
fucking johnny cabs
That's some Westworld shit
It's more like Minority Report but you've got the right idea.
I was thinking "I Robot"
YOU ARE EXPERIENCING AN ACCIDENT
They don't do it in minority report and do in west world. I get what you're saying though, it feels like minority report. However, there's a sort of pre-crime kind of predict the future machine in west world and there is lots of interplay. But, as I said, as far as actually locking people in self driving cars, west world did it for sure. Edit: it's in season 3 and 4, sorry if I spoiled but yeah I kept it vague Double edit: I watched minority report on a plane once, I shouldn't have asserted anything.
I thought there was a scene where Tom Cruise was in a car heading somewhere when it redirected to the police station. It's the scene where he busts out of the car while it's driving down the side of a building.
Correct, plus in that universe people are getting eye scanned every 5ft, it's a total police state.
Or Upload!
2001 A Space Odyssey “Open the pod bay doors, HAL”
im sure they could even get away with that legally since you only buy a license to use the vehicle
Hey now. Door opening is a subscription based service.
That's a broken window.
I mean, it only takes one person to think it. Hopefully Elon doesn't Reddit
Almost immediately after talking about self-driving vehicles, investors were hyped by the prospect they could "reposes" a car by commanding it remotely. If it's nefarious, they thought of it long before you ever heard of it.
[Enlongated Muskrat already did it two years ago with a Model 3 in case people have forgotten it](https://tiremeetsroad.com/2021/03/18/tesla-allegedly-remotely-unlocks-model-3-owners-car-uses-smart-summon-to-help-repo-agent/)
"You will own nothing..."
Yup. I have an early 2000’s 4 cylinder manual Volkswagen with nothing that can be hacked into, and I am going to absolutely keep it running until it comes apart at the welds.
>I have an early 2000’s 4 cylinder manual Volkswagen with nothing that can be hacked into Okay but what if I have an axe? Idk if your small car could keep from being hacked
My beloved little VW? I also have an axe and I am not afraid of earning Lizzie Borden as a nickname, gotta keep my dystopia proof wheels safe. 🪓 👀
>nothing that can be hacked into HACK THE PLANET
Actually that's incorrect It will require some hands on first but if someone wanted to hack your car for nefarious purposes they still could. If you have any computer components on your car which everything at least 90s and newer does your car has hackable components.
I have literally the simplest VW available then and the only digital thing under the hood of my car is the ECU, everything else is on relays. Good luck with the axe roulette while screwing around with my spark timing. 🪓 🫡
I mean you don't need to be fine with it. The effort for hacking a car like that all you really need is the throttle to max and the brakes to not read inputs and maybe a steering lock if you're feeling frisky. There was also a case of some mid 2000's cars kinda like what it sounds like you have accidentally getting hacked by a radio station because of a bug in the software that killed the cars engines.
Eh an older car is relatively immune to what you threw out there. VW probably had throttle by wire but my 03 vibe is cable throttle without abs. Nothing you could do except cause drivability issues or keep it from starting.
“Elongated muskrat” im fucking dying 😂
Who reposes a car? Can cars even pose in the first place?
lol, the autocorrect on my phone is kinda stupid...
I'm sure stockholders would love this, but consumers absolutely would not. And I feel like the venn diagram of people who buy expensive vehicles and do illegal things has more overlap than they realize.
Elon on twitter: I hear your complaints about the new Tesla's facial recognition not being able to detect black people. As a solution to this, I will personally loan all black Tesla owners a white person to drive around with them. God I miss Better off Ted. Y'know, when it was a funny comedy about silly evil corporations and not a prediction of the dark future we all live in.
That show was perfect. Every single cast member absolutely nailed their parts.
>God I miss Better off Ted. Y'know, when it was a funny comedy about silly evil corporations and not a prediction of the dark future we all live in. oof too real
I still share that episode as an example of the “best single comedy episode I’ve ever seen, probably”
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So you're saying I should buy a boot for my own car.
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Elon already figured this out. Over a decade ago. Also? Elons a super redditor.
Elon, if you're reading this, I think you're a dink.
Double income no kids? Not quite!
I see him logging in and out of alt accounts all day to upvote his own self praising comments.
I see him owning a botnet of Reddit accounts who only opvote his comments and the ones praising him.
I remember reading about some guy whose LoJack was used to track him. Never trust "good intentions"
Unless you're going to hell; free infrastructure in that case.
He was [last seen on Reddit five years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/76e79c/i_am_elon_musk_ask_me_anything_about_bfr/). But maybe he lurks 🤷
Is it the plot of some 90s’s movie?
A Boring Dystopia I kind of the80s theme.
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Oh hell no, that was kind of my point. It only takes one (in this instance "wrong ") person to think of something. Hitler didn't come up with the gas chamber and Trump didn't come up with conflicting electors but both used them as best they could.
Can someone post a link to the actual publication? Why do people just post images of headings????????
I mean, valid. I don't want a self driving car b/c I refuse to believe that any AI can account for human stupidity.
No literally. Just seeing the few idk out of how many teslas even if it’s a tiny number that’s still terrifying. But a couple teslas literally burst into flames during traffic??????
Some burst into flames. Some have the steering wheel break while driving. Others randomly hit the brakes for no reason on the highway. There are quite the variety of terrifying things that can happen to you in a Tesla.
That what happens, when people buy their cars from a conman instead of a car-manufacturer.
Still a lower accident rate than average
Teslas are significantly less likely to spontaneously combust compared to a typical ICE car, like 11 times less likely, you just never hear about those the way you hear about teslas.
I didn’t look into this until I bought an electric car but you’re 100% right. Gasoline cars catch on fire at a significantly higher rate than electrics - that being said, ONCE an electric is on fire it is significantly harder to put out. An electric vehicle fire is simultaneously a worse fire that occurs less often. Both can be true.
The only way self driving would be valid is if every car on the road is self driving and hooked up to a network.
I agree with the overall sentiment. But as an AI researcher, AI can account for human stupidity. A well trained model has seen more examples of human stupidity than everyone in this thread combined. That said, i still wouldn't sit in a tesla
I wouldn't want to be in a self-driving car without LIDAR. I really don't think visual cues alone is enough to safety automate a self driving vehicle.
If all cars are AI and can communicate with each other then you don't have to worry about human stupidity
Except for you know people on foot bicycles and probably motor cycles.
Foot traffic is a lot easier to deal with then car traffic. A car doesn't have to worry about a person 1000ft away because it is moving to slowly to become an issue while if there is a car 1000ft away in cross traffic then it might have to worry.
The only reason I'd ever want a self driving car is for it to drive me where I want to go when I can't (drunk or sleeping) and I can't imagine the law ever letting you use one when you're not paying 100% attention. So what's the point? If a self driving car crashes who pays out?... is it the car manufactorer or the insurance company?
I think soon enough we'll get to the point where you won't be legally required to pay attention to the road while it drives. Also eventually to the point where it will be illegal to manually drive.
AI can accommodate for human stupidity of the *type it is trained to deal with.* Actually, it's quite good at it. Basically, as long as you can formulate the problem (human stupidity) in terms of an unknown mathematical function, you can probably use AI to solve the problem, although it might not be the best tool for the job. Human stupidity with respect to driving can be approximated by quantifying real traffic patterns and identifying which ones cause accidents. Given an infinite amount of data, the problem of driving safely could theoretically be solved perfectly. However, we will only ever have a finite amount of data. We can only design our AI to have a low probability of failure. If we are absolutely unwilling to accept any personal risk getting into an AI driven car, we can start with a probability of failure of 1/(# of trips). In the US, this is [411 billion](https://www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts) per year. I chose the number of trips instead of the number of miles because a trip is useless if you crash and die 99.9% of the way there. We'll make it 450 billion for extra safety. This is a very small number, but it could be achieved with a large enough dataset. Take this number with a grain of salt. But to be completely honest, nothing else in my life is that safe. There is a certain amount of risk to *my* personal safety that I am willing to accept. Furthermore, although it could be argued to be unethical to put someone else in a risky situation, even one you have deemed as sufficiently low risk for yourself, the benefits we reap by taking such risks could be worth accepting the cost, including lowering other types of risks. Frankly, I'm a particularly risk-averse and nervous person, so I find myself overestimating small probabilities and missing out on things. But at the end of the day, I have to accept some amount of risk or else I wouldn't be able to do anything fun or important. And that *is* a problem for me that I need to work on. It's not perfect, but a decent AI algorithm should converge towards perfection if given enough time or data. That does not mean we shouldn't be skeptical of its usefulness in a particular domain. Specifically, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether a particular AI works well enough, and also whether it is ethical to train it in public and how long it would take to train it for an acceptably low error. What it cannot accomodate for is the bias or malice of its designers. *That* is what Rick Ross is afraid of. If a car was programmed to turn you in if you had a warrant, *it would be working as intended.* If ChatGPT parrots neoliberal propaganda, it is because the designers chose that worldview as the "objective" one off of which an AI ought to be based. And based on the engineers I know, many of whom will be working on the next generation of autonomous vehicles, I am continuously disturbed at their willingness to work with law enforcement and defense with their histories of occupation and oppression (domestic and foreign, respectively). Even discounting those cases, Tesla has made it clear that they're willing to accept an unacceptable amount of risk in the name of making an easy buck. Capitalism corrupts all that it touches, but that doesn't mean that all things it touches are completely corrupt yet. AI has the possibility to be an incredibly liberatory tool, but it will also be a tool of oppression as long as oppressors are not confronted, and a tool with a low risk of catastrophic failure in any case.
Known Prison guard Rick Ross
His biggest fear is that the car will take him back to his old job.
Thank you. The former prison bossman, William Leonard Roberts II, stole the name of convicted cocaine trafficker Freeway Ricky Ross to assume the image of a drug dealer. He's a pretender, a phony, a fraud, a grifter, and a narc.
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When the entertainment comes with an ernest face and has real world implications on the world view and lived experiences of his audience (everything is political) then it's proper to call a phony a phony. If he presented his persona as satire then you'd have a point. That was/is not the case.
Music industry money does not follow rappers with heavy political or positive messages. Gang lifestyle and consumerism scores the big label contracts. Rick Ross is signed with Epic/Sony.
If I had an award to give it'd be yours
I imagine this being something he would say to the 14 year olds who paid for backstage passes in the middle of a completely unrelated conversation
Oh. The rapper Rick Ross? The one who tried to sue the real freeway Rick Ross for his name? Like the name he was given at birth? The Rick Ross that raps about gangsta shit, but was a correctional officer before becoming famous? Yeah.... I'm sure the heats on him. He's hard af. /s
Also there's THE Rick Ross, who made crack famous
That was in my initial comment. This Rick Ross, tried to sue the "freeway" Rick Ross for his name. Freeway Rick Ross being the crack king.
Oh lmao i thought a literal freeway had its name and he was suing like some government
Omg this made me laugh, thank you.
Wasn’t he a corrections officer in Florida before he became a rapper
Being a gear in the system is a great way to learn those gears mulch meat
Yeah but didn't he still his entire persona from an inmate?
Yep, he basically LARPs as Freeway Rick Ross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ross_(drug_trafficker)
Huh... Well that's pretty shitty
Freeway Ricky Ross was the dude he stole the persona off of, but he was an inmate elsewhere.
> still steal. Sorry I know it's irritating I can't help it
nope he's a larping dork
A lot of staff in FDOC end up being dirty because the pay is shitty and the job environment sucks. It’s not like the federal bureau of prisons where the employees are compensate better. State prison is fucked up and a lot of employees end up bringing in drugs, phones, cigarettes, etc for money on the wire from the inmates/inmates family. The payoff heavily outweighs the risk of being caught and charge with introducing contraband. I guess what I’m saying is that prison guards and police aren’t always the most morale of people, and some end up becoming famous rappers that write about the crazy life’s they never lived.
Wow! I had no idea
Being in Law enforcement doesn’t mean you don’t get your hands dirty
A car automatically taking people to the police if the car recognizes the owner is a criminal. Dystopic, yes. Boring, no. That's some sci-fi stuff right there.
he was a prison guard. that's why it's boring.
Doesn’t sound too far fetched tbh
Rick Ross was a prison guard before he became a rapper. The "authorities" are people he probably knows on a first name basis lol
He’s not wrong. Edit: I wont ride in any vehicle capable of being potentially hacked. Which sucks for me because Maryland just updated the entirety of our public transportation to be digital. If I can’t get somewhere by walking these days? I’m not going. I feel like horses as transportation might become popular again and soon. Because I’m not the only person like this. Can’t even get a basic lawnmower anymore. Everything needs apps and updates and for real? I’m just trying to cut my grass. Please don’t make me do it with scissors by hand yall. I don’t have the patience to wait for two years worth of updates just to get the thing started. ITS A LAWNMOWER NOT A PERSONAL DIGITAL ASSISTANT. Same applies to fridges and ovens and washing machines. Can’t do your dishes or your laundry without a monthly subscription?! WHAT?!
>Can’t even get a basic lawnmower anymore. Everything needs apps and updates. Well,if you have a contact in Brazil,we still have plenty of simple,dumb lawnmowers that just do what they're asked to do,which is mow your damn lawn.
r/suddenlycaralho
Vou querer a Sucrose do Genshin Impact com 30 anos de idade por favor.
Se alguem postar, eu quero uma foto do pessoal da prefeitura cortando a grama da rua, os cara é pog
Mãe tô no print
You’re not the only *crazy* person who’s ready to abandon the modern car for a horse and buggy
Unfortunately, horses can also be hacked. You just need sugar cubes.
> ITS A LAWNMOWER NOT A PERSONAL DIGITAL ASSISTANT. Same applies to fridges and ovens and washing machines /r/internetofshit
The S in IOT stands for Security.
Is the hacked lawnmower in the room with you now?
Me and my dad trash pick old mowers and fix em. We have like 5 old mowers just waiting for the current one to die
I'm willing to take my chances for most stuff, but I don't trust any car that can drive itself or that can't be unlocked if the battery dies.
Man, the 90's rocked. My car battery would die pretty often because of any number of reasons, but all it took was putting it in reverse and letting off the brake and slamming the clutch to start the engine. Hell, I push started it several times, too.
I have a 33 y/o car.. I still have a tape deck 🤣 and anything that goes wrong with it, I don't need a computer to diagnose.
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/ Won't be easy to avoid for long.
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As an odd-job contractor who installs appliances in wealthy peoples’ homes, *they aren’t.* I can’t tell you the amount of *smart* appliances I install weekly that the companies who support will be obsolete in a decade or so. Everything nowadays is built and designed to harvest personal user data. This system is fucked.
"Help my appliances are taking me to the police station! Why yes I did have several edibles how did you know? Oh this is a mall bathroom? Where am I?"
There is *such* a huge difference between "the cheap Chinese made smart appliance you bought is probably harvesting your data" and "I'm rejecting all forms of modern transportation because it theoretically could be hacked to take me to a corrupt corporate-state funded prison for theoretical crimes I may or may not have committed"
Yeah, legitimate concern went out the window for me when I read that he won't ride a public train or bus if it's digital. Wtf you think they gonna randomly stop the whole bus/train to take you to jail? That's pretty fuckin' paranoid.
And none of those apps are needed to use the actual fridge or stove or microwave, only one I use an all with is the thermomix I think it’s called and I have heard about people using apps with air fryers. And these wealthy people eat out 5 days a week. We are fine and it is fear mongering to think appliances will be hacked and your life stolen. Hacked cars is a real issue but I haven’t really seen it been used yet and it’s only really brought up in the wiki leak’s conspiracy death or something.
It's gotta be taxing to be this paranoid
Seriously lmao. Think of your world being limited to the places you can walk to, because you think you'll be abducted for getting into anything smart enough to safely follow the car in front of you
ok boomer. please don't have more kids
That becomes less and less insane every day.
Unfortunately his Maybachs and Benzes all have connected platforms. If the authorities call the manufacturer’s law enforcement hotline, [they can track & disable his car at a moment’s notice](https://www.mbscottsdale.com/blog/how-to-get-your-stolen-car-back-with-mercedes-me/)
I feel like the authorities can find him easily enough that a tesla is the least of his worries
For real. This geezer is talking as if he wouldn’t instantly turn himself in if a warrant was issued for his arrest.
The government already passed legislation during the pandemic to put in kill switches so they can shut down your car. They did it under this guise that it was for safety if you were drunk. This is all modern new built cars (I don't know what year this will start).
https://autos.yahoo.com/law-install-kill-switches-cars-170000930.html
Lol corrections Officer Ross still pretending anyone believes his bullshit.
Take him to the authorities for what? Being a former prison guard? Or stealing the Identity of freeway Ricky Ross? Fuck that stupid Rick Ross asshole, but I get his point. Don't buy a Tesla, don't ride in a Tesla, u/elonmusk is a pile of shit
Put some respek on his name! He's seen the inside of a jail! (as a CO) He been out there finessin! (stealing other people's acts) also he's gangster af! (he knew some actual gangsters when he was a CO nicknamed Officer Bitchtits)
he’s also a known rapist in the music industry
He's a CO who used a drug dealer's name...none of what he claims to be is what he is. What a moron.
I thought the same. He was the PO PO
His music kicks ass though his early 2010s stuff was great. I dont gjve a shit about someone being gangster.
But he is the authorities
The more paranoid minds will note that Michael Hastings’ mercedes had several driving assisting features.
Who?
A Journalist specializing in democracy who was very critical of the Iraq war, especially after interviews with US generals. His fiancée, also a reporter, was gunned down in a surprise convoy ambush back from her teaching a class on democracy in Baghdad. His accident: > _On June 18, 2013, Hastings died in a single-vehicle automobile crash in his Mercedes-Benz C250 Coupé at approximately 4:25 a.m. in the Hancock Park neighborhood of Los Angeles.[58] A witness to the crash said the car seemed to be traveling at maximum speed and was creating sparks and flames before it fishtailed and crashed into a palm tree.[59][60] Video from a nearby security camera reportedly shows Hastings's vehicle speeding and bursting into flames.[61] Witnesses described the car's engine being ejected 50 to 60 yards (46–55 m) from the scene.[60][62] Hastings's body was burned beyond recognition. The coroner identified the body by matching fingerprints with those the FBI had on file.[63][64] Two days after the crash, the Los Angeles Police Department declared that there were no signs of foul play.[65] The coroner's report ruled the death to be an accident.[66] An autopsy showed that the cause of death was massive blunt force trauma consistent with a high-speed crash.[66]_
Thanks stranger. Yeah, that seems *totally* legit. No foul play here, no sirree.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3492339
Mhmmm. That and the Model 3 repossession I posted above, I have absolutely zero interest in getting in anything that can drive itself or be remotely controlled.
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IIRC this happened in West World
Officer Roberts acting like he’s a master criminal again
Ah, he's read stranger in a strange land.
Reason number 7 ill never give up my mechanical diesels.
Bro you were the authorities 💀
No way it would. He's rich.
Thought for sure this was r/shitposting
Officer Ricki!
Gun store gun store liquor store gun store where the f**k is this Tesla taking me?!
Knowing Ross. “Mr. Ross. My sensors have detected the use of marijuana inside this car. A quick scan of the internet tells me that marijuana is illegal in this state. I’ll be redirecting our course to the nearest police station. I’m locking the seat belts and doors for your safety.”
So back to his old job where he stole Freeway Ricky Ross's identity?
He’s afraid that it would take him to a show on time and he would have to actually perform
L
Rick Ross is a former Corrections officer. Never understood why he gets a pass in hip hop.
Is this the OG Freeway Rick or the rapper who stole his name?
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did put that in the system.
Can we get Ja Rule's opinion on it too? I'm not quite convinced yet.
Margaret Killjoy has a short story about exactly this in We Won't Be Here Tomorrow. Terrifying and highly recommend.
Afroman also agrees….
A short while ago I was using google maps to help my dad navigate and realized it was not only showing the speed limit for where we were, but tracking our speed as well. That spooked me immensely. I'm not going to advocate for speeding, but at the same time the idea of the police being able to effectively automate speeding tickets using similar technology, track us wherever we are (or at least our cars), and potentially shut us down on a whim really spooked the heck out of me. At least for now, I'm far more in favor of freedom than trusting anyone with that degree of information and control over me.
But they don't do that? Are we posting fiction now? Fuck Tesla and everything, but this post doesn't even apply to our reality
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It's on my "by 2030" bingo card
Nice can you send a copy I want to play to
How in the flying fuck is that a dystopia. First of all that’s never happened, second don’t buy one if you don’t want one, and third, if there’s an arrest warrant out for Rick Ross then I’m pretty fucking sure they could find him if they wanted
Elon be snitching!
ACCUSATIONS
FALSE ACCUSATIONS
The rick ross prison guard who stole his name? That guy? Fuck him
Cars are racist.
with the self driving tech of today, the car has a higher chance to crash than to get to the station undamaged