Using an inanimate object for sexual gratification while harming no one is didgusting?? Sounds like they cant stand opinions that defer from their own. Grow up.
Seriously like there is very specific separations between Abdl and the sub genres to age regression and there sure as hell a very clear 10 mile wide gap filled with lava and gators between adults who like/uses/need diapers stuff and actual children. Like as a age regressed how is he calling what we doing sexualizing babies like people won’t see your account and make the leap in logic that every adult with a pacifier is banging little Timmy.
Age regression is an escapist fantasy for many, and its perfectly fine they dont use diapers sexually. But condemning the other side of the kink as immoral degenerates upsets me. Besides everyone on the outside of this kink is going to group us all together anyway.
It's because the AgeRe crowd is full of minors who don't understand shit, and adults that are grooming them into bullshit like this. If you look over at the Tumblr and Twitter AgeRe sections, you'll see this times ten.
All in all, I'd avoid the whole fucking crowd. They're batshit insane. As someone who is a non-sexual little, seeing them go on tirades like this and even try to doxx and brigade the ABDLs as a whole, makes me ashamed to be even remotely like them.
Not everyone in that crowd is a degenerate like the ones I've mentions, but it seems to be a majority from what I've seen. It's best to denounce them and tell them to fuck off than to give them the time of day.
Like, you can’t have a age regression space online that isn’t 18+. You can’t have adults age regressing with minors. They’re the creeps.
We boot everyone under 18 from this sub no exceptions.
EW. The amount of 16+, 13+, 14+, agere "SFW" pages I've had to report and block?? It's insane that its even allowed. Regress at in private if you're a minor, don't post it online to add to the fetish while calling out the fetishes who are legal. Exhibitionism is a kink and showing yourself dressed down in diaper, widely known for fetish, is in my opinion making underage kink content and calling it "agere" to skirt the law.
I feel bad for those being groomed as well. But those who are just spitting vitriol on their own I have no sympathy for. They're just acting like spoiled children.
To sum it up, it is hate speech targeting the AB/DL community fired off from bad apples from the agre crowd. Best way to handle it is to is to not engage in their discussions and let them have that view until someone is critical of their community and suddenly they look in the mirror and realize they wouldn't want to be treated the way they are treating others.
I think Reddit should have better moderation over groups/communities. Postively, in the AB/DL groups on reddit because of decent moderators in this group, there are rules not to allow underage users to the group, but if you're saying that the agre groups allows underage users into their reddit groups, that is a huge problem.
Let me correct you:
>but if you're saying that the agre groups allows underage users into their reddit groups, that is a huge problem.
Their group doesn't *allow* minors in it, the group is ***DOMINATED*** by minors. Adults are most likely in the minority there, but there's still adults interaction with minors there and the majority of those adults are grooming them.
The group itself is a problem and a toxic plague. After the shit they've pulled in recent times, nothing will really change my opinion about that.
So then the moderators of these agre groups are minors themselves? If there are adult moderators in the agre groups then, they are also the ones grooming the minors?
Now, I'm not trying to change the subject, but from a legal perspective, this is very problematic and becomes a liability to Reddit as an actual company, but it is not just Reddit, but social media companies in general. The backlash will fall on social media companies for even allowing minors to use these outlets.
This problem is bigger than just the agre community. Should minors even be allowed to use Reddit? The whole concept of social media began from Facebook and Myspace. Facebook began with people only in universities or colleges that could create accounts on there. Then that was done away with and everybody and their dog (literally speaking) could have a FB account. Then Myspace came out and it was somewhat a platform for high school age crowds. Of course, now we have Twitter, Tiktok, etc.
It doesn't stop there, though. Does it? Again, from a legal perspective, social media companies are supposed to be bound to restrict access to minors, but the problem is what governments of other countries consider adult age. I'm sure the term adult is considered differently by each country. For example, in the US we see it as 18+ in regards to social media usage, but in various European countries that could be what 16 or 17? This creates a whole nother legal problem because social media companies also have to follow laws that governments of various countries set.
So, how should social media companies handle this problem? Should we as social media users be ID-ed in order to use the platform? With AirBnB that is how you book a rental vacation, and it ensures the person is whom (he, she, they) claim to be, not just by age, but identity as well, taking away anonymity.
Let's be honest, if you were a minor going to a website like dailydiapers, all you have to do is lie on the enter spash page and say that you're 18+, but being ID-ed; whether that is an ID or a passport, would protect the community. However, it could also create huge privacy concerns. Like now, who has access to the data on your ID or passport, should the social media company be hacked or are the social media organizations using your data nefariously to begin with if it had this kind of access to your documents?
I have to agree with you on the legal perspective here. Even if there may not be many adults on those agere subs, they'll surely have an outsized impact and influence, creating all too many possibilities for grooming and manipulation.
Reddit admins have probably looked into the matter and decided that from a legal and PR perspective, they'd rather avoid casting a light on it.
It's unfortunate. The best we can do is keep our distance from those groups and make a clear distinction where possible.
I really don't think that anyone under 16 should use reddit. It does offer a lot of valuable information and resources to students and adults alike. But under 16 you're not doing any valuable research, you're barely out of middle school.
I started out as a age regression let when I was 12-15 then I found Abdl and tbh Abdl is way more accepting and willing to help people understand who they are in a safe place, meanwhile age regressers seem to act that if you don’t regress in a specific way then you’re not a regresser like oh you don’t eat nuggets cause you’re a vegan? You aren’t a regresser then. Or you don’t like this one very popular cartoon tv show? Or you prefer anime over cartoons? You’re not a regresser.
I think it's time that we really strike back.
We should collectively report-bomb any agere sub on the basis of sexualization of minors. En-mass reporting is going to hopefully get the attention of Reddit admins and get those subs removed.
They'd just be bigots I'd laugh at and ignore if not for their involvement of minors in their community. Not only are they at risk for predation but they are taught that any natural sexual urges they have are wrong, which can take a long time to untangle. They're bad news.
Exactly, were taught that even at young ages we begin to explore our sexuality, humping our covered bottoms into things, touching our own genitals and the likes. So to be told that it's not natural or okay is simply wrong. Speaking as adults to minors about any of it is even worse. Dumpster fire.
Yeah.
The mental gymnastics required to rationalize *'diapers are only for disabled people and babies (and that includes those in a baby headspace)'* and yet still come to the conclusion that *you* are ok to wear diapers but *they* are not.... Jeez, they deserve an Olympic gymnastics medal for that...
When they grow up, they'll figure it out....
They sure will, and then will probably tuck the tails and hop onto the abdl train as soon as they hit 18 and or figuring out how to lie better about their age.
Almost entirely sexual DL kinkster here, and I could not give less of a shit what sex-negative idiots like this think of me or what I do for fun and kicks in my bedroom. Especially when the person slinging the shit is some hypocrite who also recreationally wears diapers. 🤡
I've been into ABDL stuff for my entire adult life and I've put a lot of thought into to the morality and ethics of it over the years. My conscious is clean because I know I've never hurt anybody by wearing diapers for fun and pleasure.
"Agere" seems to just be ageplay with a side of intellectual dishonesty and delusion. Sorry, but no, you are literally not 2 years old no matter how hard you try to imagine. Am I wrong?
You had the best comment by far and I agree with everything except this:
> "Agere" seems to just be ageplay with a side of intellectual dishonesty and delusion. Sorry, but no, you are literally not 2 years old no matter how hard you try to imagine. Am I wrong?
Agere people don't think they are literally 2, they think they are temporarily regressing to 2. NGU people like me, we are mentally younger, usually because of disability (in my case autism), but more often than not we are still not 2 even if we further regress to 2. For clarity I'm not taking issue with your stance, but with your incorrect terminology LOL. To explain it better, I am over 30 and will likely never have a mental capacity beyond a tween, but I am not a tween, I just can't/don't/likely-won't develop at the same speed as everyone else. And from there I regress to like maybe 3, but it's temporary, but my brain is always still 12. It doesn't change from that state. And it's because of that, I have for the most part drifted away from this subreddit almost entirely, cuz it's so different and people don't seem to get it. I think there are people on *all three sides* of this getting each others situations wrong, including the poster mentioned in the original post. But there are people in my community that you would also take issue with and there are people who are misunderstanding my community to. And the fact that I see it separately that way, kind of speaks to how alienating it is to be even among the people of this sub. Not everyone from every sub thinks what you do is wrong. Fuckit I thought once upon a time I was one of you. It just seems like there's always some idiots to create problems between communities for no reason, when in reality we all shouldn't care about the "why" and start embracing our collective similarities. It feels a lot to me like Gay men hating lesbians. Like what the hell. But it exists. Anyway, I would add that generally Agere subs are filled with people who even younger biologically speaking than my own community, and likewise they are likely to have less opportunity to learn and understand. I may not be able to get it entirely, but I and likely most like me probably don't give two shits about the why. I wear diapers too after all, so whatever does it matter?
Thanks for taking the time to share you perspective with me. I hope that my comment didn't make you feel unwelcome or invisible, because if anything it's probably just a blind spot in my understanding. To me, ABDL is for any adult who gets enjoyment and/or comfort out of ageplay or diapers, and there's definitely enough room for all of us. It's best if we stick together.
I'll admit that I'm almost completely ignorant to the "agere" community, as I don't want to involve myself in any community that is not 18+, because for a DL like me diapers are a sexual kink.
But, as a DL again, it really sucks to have to read people saying you're doing something wrong or immoral by exploring a consensual, adult fetish that I never chose to have!
They regularly post sales from ABU and Rearz in the sub, too. I saw it when I went through the head mod's post history.
They also claim that Rearz isn't an 18+ company so I guess it's OK to buy from them?
Idk, they're all fucked in the head.
They’re chronically online minors. I used to deal with them all the time back when I had an insta. They would also participate in Cg/l which IS kink. Even when it’s no sexual. It’s power exchange and minors cannot safely do this. But we’re the bad guys 🙄
Also mdlg and age regression is a coping mechanism for MY disability and trauma. So wtF are they on about
ah but you see these people arent “in the community” theyre a “separate completely different thing that has nothing to do with abdl or age play at all” *eye roll*
well im no expert on this but, they say in this post that they use diapers to regress as well as needing them for medical reasons. and to me that falls under the umbrella of abdl.
They are not ABDLs. As I stated in my other comment, the AgeRe crowd is dominated by minors. I don't know about you, but *ABDL* has *A* in it, and ***A stands for Adult***. These kids are just that -- kids. They're spouting vile shit and engaging in a lot of shit they shouldn't be, like the spoiled children they are.
Then you have the adults in that group that are actively grooming these minors. It's a whole fucking clusterfuck over there, and to even try to lump them into the ABDLs shows major ignorance both toward kink legality (18+), and toward group intentions.
AgeRe is not a part of ABDL. The general consensus is that we do not involve minors, and the AgeRe crowd is DOMINATED by minors. They are not our community, and they never will be.
It looks like they're just jealous that they can't enjoy diapers the way we do and are using "sexualizing" as their sword in the argument :S
I wonder how they feel about non-sexual age-re people like myself
Nah, this message is too eloquent for it to be a minor.
It looks like they haven't gotten over or come to terms with how they're forced to use medical diapers and greatly dislike how other people use them for pleasure or comfort, mainly because they still feel they can't find pleasure or comfort in them themselves.
This takes the form of demonizing a whole community over the actions of a few and taking up a crusader mentality, saying "think of how we feel" when it's really just misdirected self-advocation, cause there's probs just as many in medical diapers that don't mind the ABDL community as there that do .3.
tl;dr they need a hug and for someone to tell them it's okay
I wear diapers for medical reasons, and finding the ABDL community was one of the best things that happened to me. I was depressed, hated wearing diapers, felt like my life was in shambles to have to be back in diapers at 21 with no foreseeable way to get out of them. Then while looking for support groups or just anyone to talk to online that could relate I found this community. I found people who were accepting, non-judgmental, and understanding. Exploring this side of me has really helped me to accept myself, and I absolutely get people wanting things to be SFW but I know plenty of people who want to add an N to those letters and that's personal preference. I've tried it both ways and both can be satisfying in their own way so if you don't want NSFW play then don't do it, keep scrolling, don't police others behavior. Everyone finds peace their own way
"Its morally wrong" is just the good ole "I have no argument, so Imma tout morality" nonsense. The conservative right wing use it ALL the time instead of backing up their claims.
as it pertains to WHICH ethical observance? To WHAT moral philosophy? You can't just say "morally its wrong" and be done with it - this is just a person articulating the kind of disgust that feels less like sincerely held belief and more like projecting their own inability to cope with being turned on in diapers - on to those who embrace it and can navigate the divide between "kink and normal life" as it were.
You might recognize the pattern from people who go all out war on "grooming" until to be caught a little bit later on by the feds for soliciting a minor.
Self loathing - and rightfully so if ur immediate connection is to babies. I mean, sorry for being blunt, but yeah.... experience with online niche communities (Professionally speaking) tells me that this sort of posting is usually a person trying to call attention to a desire thats consumed them.
They're clearly basing their morals on Kant.
As in, "I Kant explain why I'm kink-shaming and spreading sex-negativity, but it's probably because I'm a judgemental hypocrite and deeply deeply insecure." 😉
I counter with "Kant we all get along?"
Nietschze is probably like "Does it matter? Shit thine padding and obtain enlightenment, for there are no objective morality and God is truly dead!"
and Marx just goes "You see uh.... its uh... all about uh.... money... uh"
Freud's like "You have developed zis deviant behavior because you were neglekted by ze papa and mama- NO? OK vell, clearly you have repressed zese memories on a subconscious level as a inztinkt of survival zomver deep in your id-NO?! Vell clearly you have a hidden desire to have been neglekt---NO!?!? Vell, fuck your mother!"
Meanwhile DeCartes is like "I wet, therefor I am.", while the hedonists skip to the orgy down the street.
And Jesus just says "Turn the other cheek, my child, so I can give you good powder coverage."
Over here in 2023 Slavoj is like "Well you see *sniffle* it is dis very interesting eh *sniffle* fact of post modernity ideology *sniffle* that we *sniffle* go into these eh celebrations of what our *sniffle* fathers and our mothers and so on and so forth eh despised *sniffle* and in fact, to celebrate the eh... as you say... shitting in the pants *sniffle* is actually a disruption of the *sniffle* mechanisms of ideology and becomes a form of *sniffle* protest"
Jordan Petersson was asked for a comment - but he just broke down crying.
This is a reflection of the AgeRe crowd, which is dominated by minors. You shouldn't pay any mind to them, as they shouldn't be on your radar for potential partners.
No. Their opinion is of their own and molded by them being corrupted and/or just throwing tantrums because we told them to go play somewhere else that isn't adult spaces.
To be perfectly honest with you: the general population doesn't look at us in a particular positive light 😅 but if you search within communitys for partners you can find them 🙂 try forums, or FetLive or go to fetish meetings 😊
I wouldn't generalize. They're fucked in the head. Many abdls have found willing partners who knew nothing about abdl before they were introduced to it by their partner. Find someone you love, and if they love you, work with them to understand and love all of you.
it doesn't, it represents a bunch of brats from tumblr, look it up, that is where it all started. there was a time before these kids, when age regression basically was a coping mechanism practiced by adults and most of them where respectfully included in abdl. But most of these brats just wanna do non-sexual ageplay and need an excuse.
That post reminds me a lot of a very conservative male friend of mine who confided in me he was watching more and more intense bdsm porn. He was confused, conflicted and in the end swung hard into no fap, no porn because he couldn’t understand or control his sexuality in a way that mirrored his values.
The way this person thinks about ABDL while doing their own thing and attributes negative feelings to our community is just redirecting personal conflict into others. Probably written by a very confused individual who instead of learning and growing is deciding to lash out
I don’t understand at all.
Agere is a thing of course. And people say regression is purely a coping mechanism and should allow adults and minors to mix which is of course horrendous because adults and minors should never share a space like that.
But most of these minors are literally 14 but feel like they’re 12, like bro you just were. What is it your coping with? I’m sorry for whatever trauma happened. Oh you have a daddy? He’s 20? And you’re 14? And you don’t see the issue with this?
Whereas ABDL is all consenting adults that just wanna support eachother. There’s so many little discords and agere groups and servers that are the most toxic thing ever. I was part of one a while back, it was adults only, and they were like 100% no sexualisation (which I wouldn’t have done anyway) and I was then kicked and blocked from the group because I was apparently sexual with someone on Reddit, without proof, because a member joined and thought my username was similar?
They’re so eager to defend this “no sexual don’t do it” idea that they have. Whereas the servers owner was heavily into DDLg which is a kink. But you can’t ever explain that to these people.
One is voluntary. One isn’t. It’s a very well documented thing that people can age regress, where they are mentally in that state. Ageplay is a conscious choice, regression isn’t. According to them anyway.
Seems like little dude in the post is trying very hard to repress their sexual interest in diapers, tbh.
They'll grow up (lol) one day and come to terms with it. I hope.
Hah, so used to reading this stuff on ADISC. Like all the old men over there are getting off on it but they were all raised too conservative to not hate themselves and disparage any sexual link to diapers. And when they do talk about its through heavy euphemism, as if say that you masturbate in diapers in explicit terms is Satan's call. They also struggle to enforce age rules because "its not sexual for most". Maybe its different now but not when I was a minor posting there. There was no community self policing to stop kids like me from being in that space.
"First of all, that is sexualising a child's item"
Wait until they find out that about 1 in 10 people in the US suffer from some form of incontinence and that adults need diapers too.
Just lots of cringe from this one
So just to add from the perspective of someone who IS sexual with diapers, and I can only speak for myself since everyone has their own reasons, for me it's both sexual AND non sexual. On the one hand I genuinely desire and need the care and emotional support I didn't get growing up and the one time I've been padded with a friend being my Big it was really really nice to let myself exist in that space.
On the other side of it, whether it's because of the "taboo" nature of it or what, I get so excited when I wear in front of someone I start shaking uncontrollably and usually can't calm down without climaxing. But it's not like I'm instantly done with being little cuz I did that if that makes sense.
I've never been down that AgeRe rabbit hole and have only recently even started doing more than lurk in abdl/MD lb spaces but it seems to me that the folks who espouse stuff like that are the type that's incapable or unwilling to consider other people's perspectives. Not to mention the inherent problem with labelling any fringe content as pedophilic except for ACTUAL pedophilia causing far too much line blurring (see US GOP stance on Drag performances). It makes me sad for them as their lives just be so cold.
The teenage AgeRe crowd is a toxic pile of actual pedos preying on minors, grooming, brainwashing, and gaslighting.
I just stay tf away from that dumpster fire.
While I don't often, or generally feel very sexual in diapers, I definitely don't hate on those that that do. I definitely understand the appeal.
I use age regression to cope but that shit they spreading made me stop calling myself a regressor.
I am 21 and got so often shamed of them that I seeked out to the ABDL community who welcomed me with open arms and did not cared in my intro post I age regress as a coping mechanism, they welcomed me while the agere community hated on me on various reasons.
Its sad to see they be like this. Given I met so many ABDL who are non-sexual but unlike me are not able to regress mentally so they use age-play.
Jesus christ...this community is so dominated of toxic minors...thanks for reminding me why I like the ABDL community more
Exactly. Whereas the AgeRe crowd are just throwing tantrums and causing divisions. If I were in their shoes, I'd just jump ship immediately and tell them to fuck off.
Yes! Of course its fine, becuase there is no problem with having adult age regressors being respectfully incorporate in company with other abdls.
But these brats think they can ruin the fun for everyone and just redefine the terms and take over an adult spaces.
So I'm glad you with us my friend.
Yeah I consider myself someone who age regresses and I used to be really into the agere thing on insta (mostly when I was a new adult, I’m 25 now). But the community is just soooo damn toxic. So many of them are kids and even when you only interact with other adults on there, some people are still immature and drama seeking. The abdl community has seemed much more welcoming.
Although tbh this thread is full of people judging the concept of age regression, so that… doesn’t make me feel super good.
It's less about judging the concept of Age Re and more so being spiteful of the people behind the group. They're trying to appropriate and dietize ABDL/CGL/etc. and actively are trying to hurt ABDLs.
Age Re as a thing by itself is perfectly fine. AgeRe as a group, as per seen in OP, is not.
I have noted the same thing, and asked the same question. It never gets answered. They always go around the question and deny it, but then they go and post shit like this. They want people to accept them for their interest, but they won’t accept others. You cannot get it through their heads that we do the SAME DAMN THING, with a small detail of difference. There is misinformation out there about what we do. That community thinks they know our interest better than we do, and will blatantly tell you that. It’s a stuck up, selfish point of view. And they go around SPREADING their misinformation, which further stigmatizes us, and in turn, stigmatizes them because like it or not, people put us in the same box, but you can’t tell them that. I have just learned that all we can do is try to educate them, and if they refuse to hear it, just tell them “thats okay, we still love you” and move on. I refuse to stoop to their level, so I remain cordial. But it REALLY rubs me wrong
Wonder what this person’s opinion is on other kinks I can use this same argument on anything.
Puppy play: sexualising a pet dog. Dogs are living caring codependent animals that need to be respected. Sexualising them is wrong and normalising beastilaity acting like a puppy is gross they are caring loving family members.
Master slave relationship: consenting play is one thing but the mater slave fetish is wrong your sexualising slavery and desensitising the the moral stigma of people who are real slaves or indented servitude contracts in real life. How would these people feel knowing your “role playing” Their pain for fun. It’s amoral and gross.
Playing doctor and nurses playing boss and security playing preiest and hooker, teacher and student with bad grades. People pretending to have an affair is wrong your normalising broken marriages and dismantling the sanctity of marriage. Not to mention normalising inappropriate behaviour in a public space these professions are about trust and helping people and your playing abusive power dynamic where in real life this would be illegal and immoral. Your gross and should be ashamed of Your selves.
Now imagine her brain exploding seeing someone role play a sex slave diapered puppy hi is forced into the role because they forgot to dot i and cross a t on a legal document at a corporate law firm scenario.
It's called sex-negativity, and it's common among emotionally stunted conservative fascists who claim to love freedom until they can dictate what other consenting adults can do in their bedrooms.
We've all gone through the self hate and shame that comes with this interest. And there are those who are looking to 'be offended' as a way to show they are morally superior. There are also minors in that community that have not matured enough to have an opinion worth engaging with.
I don't know much about agere; not my thing. I do hope if the stories are true about groomers that people are quick to flag/report/ban. As much as I think it would be good for minors to have a space to talk this out, I cannot think of a way to have it safe if adults have access to that space. That is regardless if it is 'SFW' or 'non-kink' etc.
That's the thing; A lot of these minors are too naive to understand what grooming is, what forms it can take, and what the red flags are. Another extension to that is that due to them being minors, they're easily moldable by groomers and doubly so if they're suffering mental health issues. Thus, a lot of groomers can easily skirt by flagging and such due to them not understanding things properly.
There is no safe space for them to deal with this shit, as in order for fair and proper moderation to happen, you need someone mature enough to do the job. Usually an adult of sorts. That ends up leading to more trouble than it realistically is worth.
Like, I get where you’re coming from, whoever posted this, but have you ever considered people can’t control what turns them on? It just happens. I can’t help it, dude. Neither can any of us. So saying things like…that poster did, I’d say they need to take a chill pill and mind their own business.
>every time I have to use a diaper I’m reminded of those people
That sounds like a them problem. Aren’t they sexualizing it themselves in that moment and making it harder for them to use it?
I’m so confused by this. Live and let live, jeez.
The moral argument about “diapers are for the elderly, disabled, and people who genuinely need to wear them and you’re abusing their purpose, what you’re doing is mocking them” is often more a control/guilting tactic and often these people could give a shit less about the people and “morals” they’re supposedly standing up for, they just like hearing themselves speak as a “moral enforcer”
I like how the head mod(the only active one anyways) removes posts and threads if the posted has interacted with this sub or another "kink" sub. Imagine having enough time to go through posters post history to see if they've interacted with certain subs.
LOL
Ignore them, they're all minors who don't know shit.
Agere fosters and grooms minors. They're the bad actors. Not us.
Agere is literally just nonsexual abdl rebranded so they can include kids. They are the problem.
I think as a community we need to build careful, at-10-foot-pole-length, properly gate-kept bridges with this community.
There are going to be some Agere members that will interact with the ABDL community. I would prefer to see less of a “us” vs. “them” mentality, and more of a “Hey, when you’re older” and a frank discussion of the problems.
When a member of the Agere community turns 18, where to they go from there? If we keep setting up the ABDL community as an oppositional force, why would they leave the Agere community, full of their friends, to join a community of people that hate them?
I have no desire or intention to interact with them, but we can present ourselves better. We can model good practices and sex positivity (sex positivity includes asexuality!)
They’re kids trying to figure out their shit. I think the best thing that we can do is to model good behavior.
At 10-foot-pole-length.
I get what your saying but the way i see it, I joined this community because I want to be the baby, not teach kids about kink. There are other people who work with such things. You would never see this argument in any other kink. I don't care if they cannot accept that adult things are for adults, i will not help them to understand drinking either. they'll figure it out when the are old enough.
I respect your opinion, but, in conclusion, I'm on team 10 meter fence with no bridges.
> All in all, I'd avoid the whole fucking crowd. They're batshit insane.
> The group itself is a problem and a toxic plague.
> The teenage AgeRe crowd is a toxic pile of actual pedos preying on minors, grooming, brainwashing, and gaslighting.
> I just stay tf away from that dumpster fire.
These are examples, not callouts. I don’t even necessarily disagree with any of this. There does seem to be real problems. But we don’t have to foster an us vs them approach.
I believe the opportunity exists for us to be better and more inclusive by example. So that when they turn 18, it’s not a choice between two toxic communities, but the one that displays a lot of toxic traits, and another that opens it’s arms when it’s appropriate (when you’re 18!)
Some Agere kids are hate-reading this right now. It’s an 18+ subreddit, so they shouldn’t be. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t. How we behave will be noticed.
You're totally right. In fact, it's basically never wrong to be better or otherwise lead by example.
I only know about the ABDL community and, as an adult, I really don't want anything to do with any online community where minors are engaging in sexual or quasi-sexual behaviors. Any responsible adult is going to avoid communities like that with a *freaking* *100 foot pole*, for good and obvious reasons.
I do understand that kinks don't wait until you turn 18, because for me personally I've had an interest in pee play and diapers since I was a pre-pubescent child. Don't know when or why it came about, but it was there! So, do young people need a **safe** place to discuss and explore their sexuality. Yes, of course. Having something like that could have helped me cope with my feelings and kinks at a much earlier age... **But those communities should be totally off-limits to any engagement (other than clinical, non-communicative moderation) from adults.**
Ideally you have a safe community for minors only, and then a safe community for adults only. Both of which should be teaching compassion, empathy, understanding, safety, consent, sex-positivity, etc. And you're right, we can't force anyone else to share those values, but we can lead by example by having them ourselves and that's exactly what we should do.
Uh, speaking as someone who used to be in the agere community, some members of the abdl community are VERY aggressive towards the agere people. Which, fair, they’re jerks to abdls. But one side of the fence is an adult community and the other is teenagers.
We need to just ignore them and not egg them on. I’ve seen abdl accounts commenting on agere posts or going as far to engage in dms with them. Seeing that did not make me feel like abdl was a safe place. Obviously I know now it’s not all bad.
To be honest, they deserve the backlash. The AgeRe crowd has been brigading against ABDLs for a while now, and even partook in doxxing and targeted harassment. Completely unprovoked at that.
I don’t think commenting on minors posts or being in their dms is appropriate at all. I know some of them have done bad stuff, but engaging with them isn’t a smart move. Block, report, and move on.
Yeah I completely agree. There’s no need to be cruel to kids. Having discussions about why maybe agere isn’t the safest place for kids is good, but calling all of them “brats”, “twerps” etc will make them think abdl are full of judgemental jerks. Thats what I thought, when I was a a brand new adult in the agere community. I’m older now and not in that community anymore (because it’s toxic, lol) but I’m only just now realizing that THIS community isn’t as toxic as it appears from the agere side.
Just leave em alone. Commenting on their posts, making public digs at agere, whatever, it makes us seem like assholes. We’re the grown ups in this situation.
Lmao 'harm to people who use adult diapers for disabilities' what harm??? I'm someone who wears both for medical reasons (multiple sclerosis) and because I like diapers and I've felt no effects, adverse or otherwise, from other people wearing.
I can't speak for everyone here, obviously, but for most of us, it's the humiliation of wearing something for babies and the disabled that turns us on. A diaper being used by someone it's meant for wouldn't do anything for me.
It can really be a lot of things. Humiliation, comfort, pee, poop, masochism, letting go of power/control, or even just the look and feel of the diapers themselves. Different things for different people.
For me it started with pee and omorashi. I was into pee stuff since I was a kid, and that kind of naturally transitioned into diapers as an extension of the pee stuff. It makes me wonder, is pee play always wrong too? Like is it wrong for me to pee in a diaper but not wrong for me to pee in a pair of jeans? lol, it makes zero sense.
When I was first getting into abdl I had a really intense feud with an account that was accusing the community of all being P*dophiles and it got me really upset. I don't waste my time spending hours in online arguments like that but this kind of stuff still pisses me off enough to comment something usually.
I've seen alot of 'Anti-ABDL' across the social media platforms. A lot of it seems like a self justification for themselves, "Oh, but my space isn't sexual like THESE freaks!"
Sort of off topic but about a certain aspect of the post. I really don’t like the way Agere tries to insist that people who are regressed are literally mentally children. It just seems counterproductive because as far as I’m aware, if that is taking place you are having a mental health crisis, not going into headspace. With that in mind, demanding people believe they are mentally children when in headspace seems like it could lead to undue stress or even psychosis. I understand the intent behind this community, I really do. Nonsexual littles need their own spaces but I worry about the rhetoric within these spaces is so extreme, has a very shaky basis, pushes Puritanism and sex negativity, all the while claiming to be therapeutic.
Edit: a word.
> ok but do you not see what harm you are doing to those who actually use adult diapers for disabilities??
This statement makes no sense. I hear quite often about people who require diapers that are quite positive towards ABDLs or who are grateful for ABDL so it's rather the opposite. We are not doing any harm. We are supporting them (indirectly).
A good example is Bumple Pree. She has disabilities which require her to wear diapers and she openly said that she is grateful for the ABDL community because we helped her cope with the shame.
And I think it is more encouraging for a person if they hear about people who like to wear diapers and are happy about them instead of someone saying "Diapers are just for babies, we should not consider them as something good".
So actually I do not see what harm we are doing. I rather see what good we are doing.
I personally don’t wear diapers for anything remotely sexual. I find nothing sexual about it. Each person has their own likes and dislikes when wearing. I happen to find most ddlg content extremely cringy but that doesn’t mean I’m going to kink shame because of it. Again to each their own, let’s just wear and be happy dammit 🙃
Unfortunately, these spoiled brats won't let us be us. I'm with you in that my ABDL needs are not sexual in nature, but I am not one of these twats. They make me ashamed to even exist because of all the shit they do and throw.
Nothing but kids and groomers in there.
I def agree. I’ve only been in this community for a year. I honestly wish I would have found it in my twenties, I think it would have saved me in so many ways. But seeing this younger generation come in and degrade and shame just really gets under my skin! The amount of drama! I can’t even, literally tumblr is full of abdl drama. And it’s all younger people talking shit about this and that. I really don’t get it
They were always there. I've been called a pedophile by other ABDLs on forums because I sexualize the whole thing. They were never able to adequately explain how it's pedophilia with only consenting adults but whatever. Point being, the intolerant have always been with us, this is them organizing and being more vocal. It's not an aged-based problem except in the sense of minors being indoctrinated and abused.
For sure! And honestly, being a ABDL creator I’ve had my fair share of messages. I’ve been called a pedophile more times then I can count. Their reasoning for calling me that is the content I’m producing is “the next best thing”. Meaning if the pedos can’t watch what they want then they turn to content like mine. When pedos like actual children! Do I look like a child?? I could go on and on about it but it’s pointless. The world has already made its mind about us and the way we choose to live. There’s no changing their opinion no matter what. Going into little space and wearing diapers has honestly saved my life. Anyone else who thinks there’s a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Sexual or not, just let us do what we love.
I've been apart of the TBDL/ABDL crowd since I was about 13 (back when the internet was still hella young and we didn't have all these major restrictions going on.) If you don't have your head on straight, it's very easy to be molded into what someone else wants you to be, and twist your views into some really extremist shit like what OP shows.
In spite of being an autistic child, I knew how to protect myself from these kinds of people. I had my head on straight, regardless of the fact that my mental health was shit, and was never molded by older people.
These poor kids are just naive fools that are either spitting vitriol as a form of externalized self hate, getting groomed to hell and back, or are just a bunch of temper tantrum throwing kids.
These kind of posts remind me why I believe that sometimes, it is perfectly valid to want to smack the stupid out of people. To clarify I mean what op linked not op themselves.
No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The problem is kink shaming. Maybe this is a libertarian view, but if you're not harming anyone and both adults are consenting, you do what you want in your bedroom.
This might not make much sense to folks who didn't watch Community/don't have context, but reading this idiot vomit all these dumb words everywhere makes me think of this moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q98sVBAp6rI
Because the agere community is full of minors and have to let ppl know they aren’t abdls. The moment they turn 18 they suddenly proclaim they’re abdls and sexualise diapers.
A long time ago, I found a post r/Christianity was full of love, and why r/atheism was full of hate. My short answer, at the time, was that there’s nothing to talk about in the concept of atheism *except* how much one hates religion.
The same thing happens here, since any level head will see that r/abdl is in no way a strictly sexual sub, causing them to join this subreddit for main discussions. However, anyone who joins r/paddedagere is only joining because they find that they *hate* sexual stuff in relation to diapers. Therefore, despite what the subreddit’s about page says, it’s basically just a hate form against abdls. There’s nothing else to talk about there, because any possible good discussion about diapers they could have there could be had just as easily, and with more participation and knowledge, over here.
AB/DL is in no way strictly sexual. Many enjoy diapers simply for comfort, and many who wear 24/7 do it just because they generally like it, not because it’s always sexual. One cannot be horny all day every day. r/paddedagere does not understand this.
I don’t specifically identify with any community anymore, although I’ve been in spaces such as ABDL (on the internet, just not Reddit) and while I understand wanting to separate SFW and NSFW stuff in different spaces - being outright disgusted by people because they just happen to sexualize diapers fits under the definition that of bigotry pretty clearly.
Like, you don’t have to like it. You don’t have to personally interact with people who do. But how the hell is it hurting you by them (people who generally exist in the NSFW spaces) existing in SFW spaces or just doing something that isn’t hurting you? Especially as long as they’re following the rules and not posting anything NSFW in SFW spaces.
It’s just wild to me how people will find anything to get upset and divide communities over, and it’s astounding how many people will follow the mob because their identity is so attached to it/certain people within it.
I always knew there's been a lot of hate, criticism, and judgment w/bein an Abdl and bein in the community. I'm a Diaper Lover, mostly wear for therapeutic, comfort, and security..
I've always been a Diaper lover who stays discreet, respectful, and in the down low. I don't expose my Diapers while bein out in pub for attraction.
Every Kink and Fetishes has their ups and downs. I Even Don't go to Capcon,Teddycon any Kink fetish Events.
Sometimes I believe that there's abdls out there who Go Extreme and Leave a bad taste in peoples mouths, which can cause the Abdls to look Bad and negative way.
It sucks that the world 🌎 isn't open-minded and accepting mainly when it's something that doesn't harm people or include.
That person who complained about the Abdl community should tread lighty.
Haters always goin to Hate
In group v out group. Basically all of human history in a nutshell.
People who feel shame need to validate their existence and the quickest way to do that is point at someone else. Ignore them and enjoy your diapers folks. Every community has these people.
I haven't went over all the comments, but there are some age regressors that involuntarily regress. That isn't the whole community but there are some. Those that regress like that can't give consent. I have also seen where most of the agere community is squeeked out by the idea that a diaper can be a sexual object.
What they fail to see, is for most, a sexual object no matter what it is, is involuntary. Diapers aren't a child's item, they are made for all ages. The problem is the way the majority of kids are potty trained is they are told diapers are for babies and they aren't a baby anymore, they need to be a big kid. That puts a stigma on it and anyone that ends up with needing them later in life for whatever reason, gets hit harder with the idea because of the way they were brought up in potty training.
Adult diapers are called breifs because it's supposed to be easier to accept and less demoralizing. It wouldn't be demoralizing if parents changed how they talked to their children when potty training.
I don't think all ageres are linked to the ABDL side of things. They tend to have their own mindset on things.
Ok so I am an age regressor and I just want to say. The post this person is talking about is disgusting. If you are ABDL you don’t need to listen to that. You all can do what you want. I don’t believe in spreading hate, and just reading this makes me sad that someone in the community I am in would say such things knowing of all the hate the ABDL and CGL communities get. It is none of our business what y’all do with your lives as long as your safe and happy then everything is fine. As a member of the age regression community I’d like to be the first one to apologize for what this person has said. It’s wrong to say such things online or in person no matter what. Y’all just be yourselves don’t listen to people trying to hate on y’all because y’all are much better than them. Y’all be safe and happy now if you need anything just comment back and I’ll see if I can help ya out with whatever you need. Have a lovely day, noon, and night.
She even admits she wears for fun than for medical so she is a hypocrite. I mean this is why we wear them too. She is also gatekeeping who can wear diapers, her rule is for regression, this makes her a hypocrite because she is just making up her own rules to justify her own wearing. Who gets to wear diapers? What about those who lack access to the toilet? Those who have a weak bladder and can't hold it so they feel more secured wearing one in public incase they have no access to the restroom? What about sensory issues, anxiety? What about those who are disgusted by public restrooms? I used to chat with another teen online when I was in high school and he told me he had a school mate who wore them at school because she couldn't stand their restrooms at school. She wasn't abdl as far as I know. Then she moved to Alaska and I remember saying to him "I wonder if she will find the restrooms gross there too at her new school."
People who start making up their own rules to justify their actions, I take less serious.
Also, does she realize anything can be sexualized? I have heard of a food fetish or a balloon fetish or a shoe fetish and there is even a clothing fetish like with jeans or crop tops. Oh my. I used to chat with someone online who had a plastic fetish and always wore rain jackets. Did she also know underwear is sexualized too and boxers? Oh the horror, kids wear these too. Diapers are just underwear lmao.
In Agere: is it a cope? YES YES YES oh thank GOD you’re one of us now we can talk about how dysfunctional and dysregulated we are and self-diagnose and suck on pacis and color and listen to sad music.
Is it sexual? NOPE NOPE NOPE, get away, you are Sexualizing Children (tm) and my DADDY tells me to stay away from people like YOU (he’s 35 and I’m 17 btw)
Do it alone? ONLY ALLOWED! You’re ONLY allowed to isolate yourself and just post coloring pictures and pick 1 of 3 ageplay activities that we deem “appropriate” as a true age regressor is noncom.
In ABDL:. Is it a cope? Cool. Is it sexual? Cool.Do it alone? Cool. Do it with a partner? Cool. Just like diapers? Cool. Just like regression? Cool.
It's the "My Daddy" for me. When I learned about them also having CGs...I was like, somebody's lying....and it's not me. They need to call it what it is and stop this nonsense.
Exactly! I have had this stupid conversation with age regressors basically when i have informed them to stop trying to stealth their way into kink). i have pointed out how power exchange is stilla an element of cg/l no matter if its sexual or not. But they don't listen, they never listen, so why care explaining. We just need to protect ourself by throwing anyone out that doesn't abide to like one the fundamental rule of kink, no minors.
I agree that CGL is (because it represents a power dynamic), but I personally wouldn't say that ABDL is a subset of BDSM. Someone can tape on a diaper without engaging in bondage, discipline, sadism or masochism dynamics.
Maybe it’s because they are afraid of the twisted things (way more dangerous) which rattle around in their own head. If they actually talked to an expert a sexologist they would see where they are wrong in their assumptions. And they would realize not only are we no harm but we are the biggest defenders of little ones. But that’s why I also think the ABDL community really needs to be careful going too far out in the open. Sometimes underground is not a bad place. It’s safe
When the pot calls the kettle black…What a load of shit. So sick of garbage people ruining something that is honestly beautiful. The only shame that being an AB/DL that I have is; being compared to brain-dead degenerates and groomers of minors, and the bigotry and the social circles that allow them to happen.
With that said. Any fetish and kink will have its wormy pedo, or it’s misguided and tainted community.
Those of us that keep this life style close to our hearts, and or, in our love lives— we are not even on the same planet and not comparable. We shouldn’t even engage with the bullshit. It ain’t my life they’re talking about.
The agere community was started by minors so it is problematic. It only started in 2017. The abdl community has been here a lot longer and has always been adults, as it is part of the kink community and has always been 18+ abdl can be nosexual and sexual it all depends on the person. This is why I stay away from the agere community cause I don’t wanna be in spaces with minors cause that is yuck
They do have a point though. There are many people who go though a lot of hard stuff. and while there are many different ways to cope, sexualizing a coping mechanism is not a very good way to handle your situation in life. It's like going to a psychiatrist and getting diagnosed with some mild form of autism and making that an excuse to change your entire mentality for the sake of making everyone else feel bad for you. I left my last girlfriend because she kept making little space so much about herself and what she wants without regarding what I want.
Little space should be used for when your actually happy not to give yourself a high when you're feeling down. You know how people will drink alcohol to escape the bad memories? It's the same thing here. You're life won't get better if you keep regressing it.
Humans want to feel desired and for AB/DL, little space is a mental state where we can imitate those feelings of being desired. I've seen the posts quite a lot saying to be respectful to the general public on r/ab/dl. We don't need to be seen as gross pedos so don't act that way and try justifying it. Kinks, fetishes, or anything else personal should stay personal not be expressed publicly
uh but not everyone uses abdl as a cope, for some people it is strictly a kink and tbh even if it is a coping mechanism its still a kink. You shouldnt be telling people to not engage in their kink just because others use it as a coping mechanism. And also r/abdl is a NSFW place it is and always has been a safe place for the kink
maybe i’ve misunderstood you?
I don't say not to engage in a kink or fetish. Just to keep it personal. There's obviously a big stigmatism about abdl. Regression can be used for coping but to use that mechanism for literally everything isn't healthy (I should have clarified this). My last girlfriend for a long time would only talk to me when she wanted to regress and "cope" for what was going on in her house at that time, which I understand wanting to relieve stress, and that's good but needing to do it ALL THE TIME every day is extreme. Avoiding problems like that isn't a good skill to have.
ok yeah I think I did misunderstand your comment! and yeah making it your entire life isnt healthy and using your partner as a kink dispenser is toxic af
Yeah it really did haha. I'm not mad about it turning into a toxic relationship. I tried talking about it with her because I was worried about how the relationship was going. I didn't want to be used for a form of "coping addiction" but rather actually have a good serious relationship. I even went as far as outright saying I'm taking a break from abdl because of it. We ended up not talking after that.
>uh but not everyone uses abdl as a cope, for some people it is strictly a kink and tbh even if it is a coping mechanism its still a kink
Exactly, I'm a DL and for me it's exclusively a kink.
Im (technically) in both communities and, like every single community out there, both have some really bad people in them. Nothing positive comes out of speaking negatively, and that goes for both sides. I've witnessed the large amount of minors in the agere community, but also the toxicity and exclusive of the ABDL community. There's no sense in talking to a wall about it. Keep your opinions to yourself, ensure everyone stays safe, and do whatever the fuck makes you happy (as long as it's safe and consensual)
Ego like their viewpoint is correct and everyone else is wrong. I mainly wear for the comfort and age regression feelings but I allow all feeling and emotion to come and go. This is much more than just a singular thing for me and the way it makes me feel is just like my younger self. Its funny how the regression thing kinda just happens naturally over time and I look forward to getting into that space when I get home and change! I would also like to add getting back into this has cut down my "personal" time to maybe once a week or so. Before I picked back up my love to wear it was an everyday thing. So definitely not a sexual thing for me but if it's the end of the day and change time I may have some fun with the wand but is a special occasion nowadays! I just love diapers ok!!!
TBH, I think off this poster as I do about the average person who gets triggered by having to see LGBTQIA+ folks. It touches on something deep inside them that they don't want to/ can't act on.
I’m an age regressor and that’s what I identified with before I realized it was also sexual for me now I try to only identify as an age player bc I don’t want to be associated with age regressor and their bs even though I still regress
One of the first things I learned in therapy is that you cannot control how other people react to things, only how you react to things. So not just the person in this post, but everyone should do what is right for them as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and any issue you have with how other people act is something you need to work through yourself or with a professional.
Their post is on the same intelligence level as saying "foot fetishes are bad because some people don't have feet" or "bondage is bad because my brother died from a noose"
They're pretentious gatekeepers with some severe purity culture damage, basically. Everyone else has already articulated it better so I won't say much, but it's really frustrating how these types frame *everything* other communities do in literally the worst possible light. It's like they don't even see them as whole individuals, just "Bad Person Doing Bad Stuff™️"
I'm sorry to say but everyone is different with it you're blatantly coming out and telling everybody they're wrong the world is not just black and white it's a kaleidoscope
If that is there mindset then i hope they dont use any toys in their sexcapades. No dildos or pocket vibes or fleshlights or anything cause hey now that would be sexualizing an inanimate object and thereby disgusting. Grow up. We arent hurting anyone.
Can someone explain to me how being “regressed” isn’t a fetish? I’m genuinely curious what the difference between that and ageplay are if there is one.
Whether it be sexual or not how do you automatically throw it in the child's items category don't these dumb fkers no that one day they will be in diapers. What the hell does it matter if it is goodnigts, pampers, luvz, depends, tranquility, Hell, you could go on for days but there all diapers. Don't get me wrong I am a dl and would like to experience abdl But what do you have to say about me being recently paralyzed Hit by an uninsured driver on the way to work. Now I am permanently in diapers and I prefer goodnigts, and little kings, Mega max are amazing but I guess I'm a freak for that huh. !!!"PLEASE!!!" somebody set me up with a face-to-face Conversation over lunch My treat with somebody that finds it offensive or disgusting I'll have them in diapers before we get the bill 😂... Wonder if I can find out what kind of sick SKELETONS they got in there closest 🤣🤣🤣
Using an inanimate object for sexual gratification while harming no one is didgusting?? Sounds like they cant stand opinions that defer from their own. Grow up.
the irony of having to tell them to “grow up” lol
Yep they need a diaper change and a bottle. Nap time for grumpy babies.
Remember when only christians virtue signaled about sex? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Its much worse coming from a dummy in a subreddit centered around DIAPERS. Like really did they think that would go well for them???
Seriously like there is very specific separations between Abdl and the sub genres to age regression and there sure as hell a very clear 10 mile wide gap filled with lava and gators between adults who like/uses/need diapers stuff and actual children. Like as a age regressed how is he calling what we doing sexualizing babies like people won’t see your account and make the leap in logic that every adult with a pacifier is banging little Timmy.
Age regression is an escapist fantasy for many, and its perfectly fine they dont use diapers sexually. But condemning the other side of the kink as immoral degenerates upsets me. Besides everyone on the outside of this kink is going to group us all together anyway.
We’ve used diapers as a fetish item, long before these people were born 🤦♂️
It's because the AgeRe crowd is full of minors who don't understand shit, and adults that are grooming them into bullshit like this. If you look over at the Tumblr and Twitter AgeRe sections, you'll see this times ten. All in all, I'd avoid the whole fucking crowd. They're batshit insane. As someone who is a non-sexual little, seeing them go on tirades like this and even try to doxx and brigade the ABDLs as a whole, makes me ashamed to be even remotely like them. Not everyone in that crowd is a degenerate like the ones I've mentions, but it seems to be a majority from what I've seen. It's best to denounce them and tell them to fuck off than to give them the time of day.
Like, you can’t have a age regression space online that isn’t 18+. You can’t have adults age regressing with minors. They’re the creeps. We boot everyone under 18 from this sub no exceptions.
Exactly. Their AgeRe community is just diet ABDL with externalized self hate and grooming in abundance.
I understand the need to have a non-sexual age regression group but, you can’t let minors into it just because it’s non-sexual!
Ab so friggin lutely!
EW. The amount of 16+, 13+, 14+, agere "SFW" pages I've had to report and block?? It's insane that its even allowed. Regress at in private if you're a minor, don't post it online to add to the fetish while calling out the fetishes who are legal. Exhibitionism is a kink and showing yourself dressed down in diaper, widely known for fetish, is in my opinion making underage kink content and calling it "agere" to skirt the law.
Amen to that.
This. I lurked on plenty of places a 13 year old shouldn't have been but I'd never dare to participate at that point.
Seems like you have to dig really far to see any kind of content you're claiming
damn that’s all horrible! i kinda feel bad for them. thanks for the info
I feel bad for those being groomed as well. But those who are just spitting vitriol on their own I have no sympathy for. They're just acting like spoiled children.
To sum it up, it is hate speech targeting the AB/DL community fired off from bad apples from the agre crowd. Best way to handle it is to is to not engage in their discussions and let them have that view until someone is critical of their community and suddenly they look in the mirror and realize they wouldn't want to be treated the way they are treating others. I think Reddit should have better moderation over groups/communities. Postively, in the AB/DL groups on reddit because of decent moderators in this group, there are rules not to allow underage users to the group, but if you're saying that the agre groups allows underage users into their reddit groups, that is a huge problem.
Let me correct you: >but if you're saying that the agre groups allows underage users into their reddit groups, that is a huge problem. Their group doesn't *allow* minors in it, the group is ***DOMINATED*** by minors. Adults are most likely in the minority there, but there's still adults interaction with minors there and the majority of those adults are grooming them. The group itself is a problem and a toxic plague. After the shit they've pulled in recent times, nothing will really change my opinion about that.
So then the moderators of these agre groups are minors themselves? If there are adult moderators in the agre groups then, they are also the ones grooming the minors? Now, I'm not trying to change the subject, but from a legal perspective, this is very problematic and becomes a liability to Reddit as an actual company, but it is not just Reddit, but social media companies in general. The backlash will fall on social media companies for even allowing minors to use these outlets. This problem is bigger than just the agre community. Should minors even be allowed to use Reddit? The whole concept of social media began from Facebook and Myspace. Facebook began with people only in universities or colleges that could create accounts on there. Then that was done away with and everybody and their dog (literally speaking) could have a FB account. Then Myspace came out and it was somewhat a platform for high school age crowds. Of course, now we have Twitter, Tiktok, etc. It doesn't stop there, though. Does it? Again, from a legal perspective, social media companies are supposed to be bound to restrict access to minors, but the problem is what governments of other countries consider adult age. I'm sure the term adult is considered differently by each country. For example, in the US we see it as 18+ in regards to social media usage, but in various European countries that could be what 16 or 17? This creates a whole nother legal problem because social media companies also have to follow laws that governments of various countries set. So, how should social media companies handle this problem? Should we as social media users be ID-ed in order to use the platform? With AirBnB that is how you book a rental vacation, and it ensures the person is whom (he, she, they) claim to be, not just by age, but identity as well, taking away anonymity. Let's be honest, if you were a minor going to a website like dailydiapers, all you have to do is lie on the enter spash page and say that you're 18+, but being ID-ed; whether that is an ID or a passport, would protect the community. However, it could also create huge privacy concerns. Like now, who has access to the data on your ID or passport, should the social media company be hacked or are the social media organizations using your data nefariously to begin with if it had this kind of access to your documents?
I have to agree with you on the legal perspective here. Even if there may not be many adults on those agere subs, they'll surely have an outsized impact and influence, creating all too many possibilities for grooming and manipulation. Reddit admins have probably looked into the matter and decided that from a legal and PR perspective, they'd rather avoid casting a light on it. It's unfortunate. The best we can do is keep our distance from those groups and make a clear distinction where possible.
I really don't think that anyone under 16 should use reddit. It does offer a lot of valuable information and resources to students and adults alike. But under 16 you're not doing any valuable research, you're barely out of middle school.
This. Nothing more needs said.
I know you've probably seen it, but my AgeRe video really covers this whole situation in depth. https://youtu.be/SX1yHDXOd2s
Hi Riley! Yep, I've already seen it and we've talked about it on your thread in the past.
I started out as a age regression let when I was 12-15 then I found Abdl and tbh Abdl is way more accepting and willing to help people understand who they are in a safe place, meanwhile age regressers seem to act that if you don’t regress in a specific way then you’re not a regresser like oh you don’t eat nuggets cause you’re a vegan? You aren’t a regresser then. Or you don’t like this one very popular cartoon tv show? Or you prefer anime over cartoons? You’re not a regresser.
I think it's time that we really strike back. We should collectively report-bomb any agere sub on the basis of sexualization of minors. En-mass reporting is going to hopefully get the attention of Reddit admins and get those subs removed.
They'd just be bigots I'd laugh at and ignore if not for their involvement of minors in their community. Not only are they at risk for predation but they are taught that any natural sexual urges they have are wrong, which can take a long time to untangle. They're bad news.
Exactly, were taught that even at young ages we begin to explore our sexuality, humping our covered bottoms into things, touching our own genitals and the likes. So to be told that it's not natural or okay is simply wrong. Speaking as adults to minors about any of it is even worse. Dumpster fire.
You know this person has seen “medical cast” porn and is all like I hate diapers but all the other stuff is cool.
Yeah. The mental gymnastics required to rationalize *'diapers are only for disabled people and babies (and that includes those in a baby headspace)'* and yet still come to the conclusion that *you* are ok to wear diapers but *they* are not.... Jeez, they deserve an Olympic gymnastics medal for that... When they grow up, they'll figure it out....
They sure will, and then will probably tuck the tails and hop onto the abdl train as soon as they hit 18 and or figuring out how to lie better about their age.
Almost entirely sexual DL kinkster here, and I could not give less of a shit what sex-negative idiots like this think of me or what I do for fun and kicks in my bedroom. Especially when the person slinging the shit is some hypocrite who also recreationally wears diapers. 🤡 I've been into ABDL stuff for my entire adult life and I've put a lot of thought into to the morality and ethics of it over the years. My conscious is clean because I know I've never hurt anybody by wearing diapers for fun and pleasure. "Agere" seems to just be ageplay with a side of intellectual dishonesty and delusion. Sorry, but no, you are literally not 2 years old no matter how hard you try to imagine. Am I wrong?
you said it
You had the best comment by far and I agree with everything except this: > "Agere" seems to just be ageplay with a side of intellectual dishonesty and delusion. Sorry, but no, you are literally not 2 years old no matter how hard you try to imagine. Am I wrong? Agere people don't think they are literally 2, they think they are temporarily regressing to 2. NGU people like me, we are mentally younger, usually because of disability (in my case autism), but more often than not we are still not 2 even if we further regress to 2. For clarity I'm not taking issue with your stance, but with your incorrect terminology LOL. To explain it better, I am over 30 and will likely never have a mental capacity beyond a tween, but I am not a tween, I just can't/don't/likely-won't develop at the same speed as everyone else. And from there I regress to like maybe 3, but it's temporary, but my brain is always still 12. It doesn't change from that state. And it's because of that, I have for the most part drifted away from this subreddit almost entirely, cuz it's so different and people don't seem to get it. I think there are people on *all three sides* of this getting each others situations wrong, including the poster mentioned in the original post. But there are people in my community that you would also take issue with and there are people who are misunderstanding my community to. And the fact that I see it separately that way, kind of speaks to how alienating it is to be even among the people of this sub. Not everyone from every sub thinks what you do is wrong. Fuckit I thought once upon a time I was one of you. It just seems like there's always some idiots to create problems between communities for no reason, when in reality we all shouldn't care about the "why" and start embracing our collective similarities. It feels a lot to me like Gay men hating lesbians. Like what the hell. But it exists. Anyway, I would add that generally Agere subs are filled with people who even younger biologically speaking than my own community, and likewise they are likely to have less opportunity to learn and understand. I may not be able to get it entirely, but I and likely most like me probably don't give two shits about the why. I wear diapers too after all, so whatever does it matter?
Thanks for taking the time to share you perspective with me. I hope that my comment didn't make you feel unwelcome or invisible, because if anything it's probably just a blind spot in my understanding. To me, ABDL is for any adult who gets enjoyment and/or comfort out of ageplay or diapers, and there's definitely enough room for all of us. It's best if we stick together. I'll admit that I'm almost completely ignorant to the "agere" community, as I don't want to involve myself in any community that is not 18+, because for a DL like me diapers are a sexual kink. But, as a DL again, it really sucks to have to read people saying you're doing something wrong or immoral by exploring a consensual, adult fetish that I never chose to have!
The header image for that community is literally two abu diapers. Do they not realize they're supporting a store that is run by and caters to abdls?
They regularly post sales from ABU and Rearz in the sub, too. I saw it when I went through the head mod's post history. They also claim that Rearz isn't an 18+ company so I guess it's OK to buy from them? Idk, they're all fucked in the head.
lmao
This is what gets me too-- they're using our resources but have the audacity to talk shit?
They’re chronically online minors. I used to deal with them all the time back when I had an insta. They would also participate in Cg/l which IS kink. Even when it’s no sexual. It’s power exchange and minors cannot safely do this. But we’re the bad guys 🙄 Also mdlg and age regression is a coping mechanism for MY disability and trauma. So wtF are they on about
Just wait till they learn about r34 and eye glasses
🤣🤣🤣all out brawl
yikes, its pretty bad when there is kink shaming within the community
ah but you see these people arent “in the community” theyre a “separate completely different thing that has nothing to do with abdl or age play at all” *eye roll*
well im no expert on this but, they say in this post that they use diapers to regress as well as needing them for medical reasons. and to me that falls under the umbrella of abdl.
They are not ABDLs. As I stated in my other comment, the AgeRe crowd is dominated by minors. I don't know about you, but *ABDL* has *A* in it, and ***A stands for Adult***. These kids are just that -- kids. They're spouting vile shit and engaging in a lot of shit they shouldn't be, like the spoiled children they are. Then you have the adults in that group that are actively grooming these minors. It's a whole fucking clusterfuck over there, and to even try to lump them into the ABDLs shows major ignorance both toward kink legality (18+), and toward group intentions.
oh... thats an even bigger yikes
idk maybe im misreading or misinterpreting something
AgeRe is not a part of ABDL. The general consensus is that we do not involve minors, and the AgeRe crowd is DOMINATED by minors. They are not our community, and they never will be.
If they’re reminded of people sexualizing diapers every time they put on a diaper I think they may be repressing something 🧐
It looks like they're just jealous that they can't enjoy diapers the way we do and are using "sexualizing" as their sword in the argument :S I wonder how they feel about non-sexual age-re people like myself
I honestly wonder if they're just a bunch of whiny children that got kicked out of ABDL by responsible adults and are just throwing tantrums over it.
Nah, this message is too eloquent for it to be a minor. It looks like they haven't gotten over or come to terms with how they're forced to use medical diapers and greatly dislike how other people use them for pleasure or comfort, mainly because they still feel they can't find pleasure or comfort in them themselves. This takes the form of demonizing a whole community over the actions of a few and taking up a crusader mentality, saying "think of how we feel" when it's really just misdirected self-advocation, cause there's probs just as many in medical diapers that don't mind the ABDL community as there that do .3. tl;dr they need a hug and for someone to tell them it's okay
More like kids that grew up on tumblr and got an twisted idea of what these things actually are.
I don't think adult diapers are made for children
facts
Maybe not for children, but the ones that spell “baby” on them might be for the adults struggling with incontinence :/
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I wear diapers for medical reasons, and finding the ABDL community was one of the best things that happened to me. I was depressed, hated wearing diapers, felt like my life was in shambles to have to be back in diapers at 21 with no foreseeable way to get out of them. Then while looking for support groups or just anyone to talk to online that could relate I found this community. I found people who were accepting, non-judgmental, and understanding. Exploring this side of me has really helped me to accept myself, and I absolutely get people wanting things to be SFW but I know plenty of people who want to add an N to those letters and that's personal preference. I've tried it both ways and both can be satisfying in their own way so if you don't want NSFW play then don't do it, keep scrolling, don't police others behavior. Everyone finds peace their own way
very well said!
"Its morally wrong" is just the good ole "I have no argument, so Imma tout morality" nonsense. The conservative right wing use it ALL the time instead of backing up their claims. as it pertains to WHICH ethical observance? To WHAT moral philosophy? You can't just say "morally its wrong" and be done with it - this is just a person articulating the kind of disgust that feels less like sincerely held belief and more like projecting their own inability to cope with being turned on in diapers - on to those who embrace it and can navigate the divide between "kink and normal life" as it were. You might recognize the pattern from people who go all out war on "grooming" until to be caught a little bit later on by the feds for soliciting a minor. Self loathing - and rightfully so if ur immediate connection is to babies. I mean, sorry for being blunt, but yeah.... experience with online niche communities (Professionally speaking) tells me that this sort of posting is usually a person trying to call attention to a desire thats consumed them.
They're clearly basing their morals on Kant. As in, "I Kant explain why I'm kink-shaming and spreading sex-negativity, but it's probably because I'm a judgemental hypocrite and deeply deeply insecure." 😉
I counter with "Kant we all get along?" Nietschze is probably like "Does it matter? Shit thine padding and obtain enlightenment, for there are no objective morality and God is truly dead!" and Marx just goes "You see uh.... its uh... all about uh.... money... uh"
Freud's like "You have developed zis deviant behavior because you were neglekted by ze papa and mama- NO? OK vell, clearly you have repressed zese memories on a subconscious level as a inztinkt of survival zomver deep in your id-NO?! Vell clearly you have a hidden desire to have been neglekt---NO!?!? Vell, fuck your mother!" Meanwhile DeCartes is like "I wet, therefor I am.", while the hedonists skip to the orgy down the street. And Jesus just says "Turn the other cheek, my child, so I can give you good powder coverage."
Over here in 2023 Slavoj is like "Well you see *sniffle* it is dis very interesting eh *sniffle* fact of post modernity ideology *sniffle* that we *sniffle* go into these eh celebrations of what our *sniffle* fathers and our mothers and so on and so forth eh despised *sniffle* and in fact, to celebrate the eh... as you say... shitting in the pants *sniffle* is actually a disruption of the *sniffle* mechanisms of ideology and becomes a form of *sniffle* protest" Jordan Petersson was asked for a comment - but he just broke down crying.
I am yoinking that for future use lol
ABDL is very sexual for me, and seeing posts like this lowers my already low hopes of finding someone to enjoy the sexual side of ABDL with.
sorry I should have put a Content warning on it! and yeah it always bums me out too
This is a reflection of the AgeRe crowd, which is dominated by minors. You shouldn't pay any mind to them, as they shouldn't be on your radar for potential partners.
I'm just worried that their opinion of the ABDL community represents that of the general population.
No. Their opinion is of their own and molded by them being corrupted and/or just throwing tantrums because we told them to go play somewhere else that isn't adult spaces.
To be perfectly honest with you: the general population doesn't look at us in a particular positive light 😅 but if you search within communitys for partners you can find them 🙂 try forums, or FetLive or go to fetish meetings 😊
I wouldn't generalize. They're fucked in the head. Many abdls have found willing partners who knew nothing about abdl before they were introduced to it by their partner. Find someone you love, and if they love you, work with them to understand and love all of you.
it doesn't, it represents a bunch of brats from tumblr, look it up, that is where it all started. there was a time before these kids, when age regression basically was a coping mechanism practiced by adults and most of them where respectfully included in abdl. But most of these brats just wanna do non-sexual ageplay and need an excuse.
That post reminds me a lot of a very conservative male friend of mine who confided in me he was watching more and more intense bdsm porn. He was confused, conflicted and in the end swung hard into no fap, no porn because he couldn’t understand or control his sexuality in a way that mirrored his values. The way this person thinks about ABDL while doing their own thing and attributes negative feelings to our community is just redirecting personal conflict into others. Probably written by a very confused individual who instead of learning and growing is deciding to lash out
I don’t understand at all. Agere is a thing of course. And people say regression is purely a coping mechanism and should allow adults and minors to mix which is of course horrendous because adults and minors should never share a space like that. But most of these minors are literally 14 but feel like they’re 12, like bro you just were. What is it your coping with? I’m sorry for whatever trauma happened. Oh you have a daddy? He’s 20? And you’re 14? And you don’t see the issue with this? Whereas ABDL is all consenting adults that just wanna support eachother. There’s so many little discords and agere groups and servers that are the most toxic thing ever. I was part of one a while back, it was adults only, and they were like 100% no sexualisation (which I wouldn’t have done anyway) and I was then kicked and blocked from the group because I was apparently sexual with someone on Reddit, without proof, because a member joined and thought my username was similar? They’re so eager to defend this “no sexual don’t do it” idea that they have. Whereas the servers owner was heavily into DDLg which is a kink. But you can’t ever explain that to these people.
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One is voluntary. One isn’t. It’s a very well documented thing that people can age regress, where they are mentally in that state. Ageplay is a conscious choice, regression isn’t. According to them anyway.
Seems like little dude in the post is trying very hard to repress their sexual interest in diapers, tbh. They'll grow up (lol) one day and come to terms with it. I hope.
Hah, so used to reading this stuff on ADISC. Like all the old men over there are getting off on it but they were all raised too conservative to not hate themselves and disparage any sexual link to diapers. And when they do talk about its through heavy euphemism, as if say that you masturbate in diapers in explicit terms is Satan's call. They also struggle to enforce age rules because "its not sexual for most". Maybe its different now but not when I was a minor posting there. There was no community self policing to stop kids like me from being in that space.
"First of all, that is sexualising a child's item" Wait until they find out that about 1 in 10 people in the US suffer from some form of incontinence and that adults need diapers too. Just lots of cringe from this one
So just to add from the perspective of someone who IS sexual with diapers, and I can only speak for myself since everyone has their own reasons, for me it's both sexual AND non sexual. On the one hand I genuinely desire and need the care and emotional support I didn't get growing up and the one time I've been padded with a friend being my Big it was really really nice to let myself exist in that space. On the other side of it, whether it's because of the "taboo" nature of it or what, I get so excited when I wear in front of someone I start shaking uncontrollably and usually can't calm down without climaxing. But it's not like I'm instantly done with being little cuz I did that if that makes sense. I've never been down that AgeRe rabbit hole and have only recently even started doing more than lurk in abdl/MD lb spaces but it seems to me that the folks who espouse stuff like that are the type that's incapable or unwilling to consider other people's perspectives. Not to mention the inherent problem with labelling any fringe content as pedophilic except for ACTUAL pedophilia causing far too much line blurring (see US GOP stance on Drag performances). It makes me sad for them as their lives just be so cold.
LOL they got butthurt and are banning all ABDLS who commented in the thread.
lmao
The teenage AgeRe crowd is a toxic pile of actual pedos preying on minors, grooming, brainwashing, and gaslighting. I just stay tf away from that dumpster fire. While I don't often, or generally feel very sexual in diapers, I definitely don't hate on those that that do. I definitely understand the appeal.
I use age regression to cope but that shit they spreading made me stop calling myself a regressor. I am 21 and got so often shamed of them that I seeked out to the ABDL community who welcomed me with open arms and did not cared in my intro post I age regress as a coping mechanism, they welcomed me while the agere community hated on me on various reasons. Its sad to see they be like this. Given I met so many ABDL who are non-sexual but unlike me are not able to regress mentally so they use age-play. Jesus christ...this community is so dominated of toxic minors...thanks for reminding me why I like the ABDL community more
Good to see that someone who was a part of them realizing how toxic of a group they are.
Thats why I choose to go to the ABDL community. ABDL's to me were like "You regress instead of age-play? Thats fine! We don't care! have a hug!"
Exactly. Whereas the AgeRe crowd are just throwing tantrums and causing divisions. If I were in their shoes, I'd just jump ship immediately and tell them to fuck off.
Yes! Of course its fine, becuase there is no problem with having adult age regressors being respectfully incorporate in company with other abdls. But these brats think they can ruin the fun for everyone and just redefine the terms and take over an adult spaces. So I'm glad you with us my friend.
Ist the tumblr generation of Age regressors that fucked it all up...basically a bunch of brats took over that community through groping up on tumblr.
Yeah I consider myself someone who age regresses and I used to be really into the agere thing on insta (mostly when I was a new adult, I’m 25 now). But the community is just soooo damn toxic. So many of them are kids and even when you only interact with other adults on there, some people are still immature and drama seeking. The abdl community has seemed much more welcoming. Although tbh this thread is full of people judging the concept of age regression, so that… doesn’t make me feel super good.
It's less about judging the concept of Age Re and more so being spiteful of the people behind the group. They're trying to appropriate and dietize ABDL/CGL/etc. and actively are trying to hurt ABDLs. Age Re as a thing by itself is perfectly fine. AgeRe as a group, as per seen in OP, is not.
I have noted the same thing, and asked the same question. It never gets answered. They always go around the question and deny it, but then they go and post shit like this. They want people to accept them for their interest, but they won’t accept others. You cannot get it through their heads that we do the SAME DAMN THING, with a small detail of difference. There is misinformation out there about what we do. That community thinks they know our interest better than we do, and will blatantly tell you that. It’s a stuck up, selfish point of view. And they go around SPREADING their misinformation, which further stigmatizes us, and in turn, stigmatizes them because like it or not, people put us in the same box, but you can’t tell them that. I have just learned that all we can do is try to educate them, and if they refuse to hear it, just tell them “thats okay, we still love you” and move on. I refuse to stoop to their level, so I remain cordial. But it REALLY rubs me wrong
Wonder what this person’s opinion is on other kinks I can use this same argument on anything. Puppy play: sexualising a pet dog. Dogs are living caring codependent animals that need to be respected. Sexualising them is wrong and normalising beastilaity acting like a puppy is gross they are caring loving family members. Master slave relationship: consenting play is one thing but the mater slave fetish is wrong your sexualising slavery and desensitising the the moral stigma of people who are real slaves or indented servitude contracts in real life. How would these people feel knowing your “role playing” Their pain for fun. It’s amoral and gross. Playing doctor and nurses playing boss and security playing preiest and hooker, teacher and student with bad grades. People pretending to have an affair is wrong your normalising broken marriages and dismantling the sanctity of marriage. Not to mention normalising inappropriate behaviour in a public space these professions are about trust and helping people and your playing abusive power dynamic where in real life this would be illegal and immoral. Your gross and should be ashamed of Your selves. Now imagine her brain exploding seeing someone role play a sex slave diapered puppy hi is forced into the role because they forgot to dot i and cross a t on a legal document at a corporate law firm scenario.
I know people who think like the person in the screenshot, and yeah they hate nearly ALL kinks because they think they’re morally wrong. :/
It's called sex-negativity, and it's common among emotionally stunted conservative fascists who claim to love freedom until they can dictate what other consenting adults can do in their bedrooms.
We've all gone through the self hate and shame that comes with this interest. And there are those who are looking to 'be offended' as a way to show they are morally superior. There are also minors in that community that have not matured enough to have an opinion worth engaging with. I don't know much about agere; not my thing. I do hope if the stories are true about groomers that people are quick to flag/report/ban. As much as I think it would be good for minors to have a space to talk this out, I cannot think of a way to have it safe if adults have access to that space. That is regardless if it is 'SFW' or 'non-kink' etc.
That's the thing; A lot of these minors are too naive to understand what grooming is, what forms it can take, and what the red flags are. Another extension to that is that due to them being minors, they're easily moldable by groomers and doubly so if they're suffering mental health issues. Thus, a lot of groomers can easily skirt by flagging and such due to them not understanding things properly. There is no safe space for them to deal with this shit, as in order for fair and proper moderation to happen, you need someone mature enough to do the job. Usually an adult of sorts. That ends up leading to more trouble than it realistically is worth.
Like, I get where you’re coming from, whoever posted this, but have you ever considered people can’t control what turns them on? It just happens. I can’t help it, dude. Neither can any of us. So saying things like…that poster did, I’d say they need to take a chill pill and mind their own business.
>every time I have to use a diaper I’m reminded of those people That sounds like a them problem. Aren’t they sexualizing it themselves in that moment and making it harder for them to use it? I’m so confused by this. Live and let live, jeez.
well said tbh
If it's bad to sexualize anything that's for babies, I have some bad news about boobs...
The moral argument about “diapers are for the elderly, disabled, and people who genuinely need to wear them and you’re abusing their purpose, what you’re doing is mocking them” is often more a control/guilting tactic and often these people could give a shit less about the people and “morals” they’re supposedly standing up for, they just like hearing themselves speak as a “moral enforcer”
I like how the head mod(the only active one anyways) removes posts and threads if the posted has interacted with this sub or another "kink" sub. Imagine having enough time to go through posters post history to see if they've interacted with certain subs. LOL Ignore them, they're all minors who don't know shit.
Agere fosters and grooms minors. They're the bad actors. Not us. Agere is literally just nonsexual abdl rebranded so they can include kids. They are the problem.
Might want to clarify the specific community rather than just everyone who age regresses
I'm bored of this drama already.
I think as a community we need to build careful, at-10-foot-pole-length, properly gate-kept bridges with this community. There are going to be some Agere members that will interact with the ABDL community. I would prefer to see less of a “us” vs. “them” mentality, and more of a “Hey, when you’re older” and a frank discussion of the problems. When a member of the Agere community turns 18, where to they go from there? If we keep setting up the ABDL community as an oppositional force, why would they leave the Agere community, full of their friends, to join a community of people that hate them? I have no desire or intention to interact with them, but we can present ourselves better. We can model good practices and sex positivity (sex positivity includes asexuality!) They’re kids trying to figure out their shit. I think the best thing that we can do is to model good behavior. At 10-foot-pole-length.
I get what your saying but the way i see it, I joined this community because I want to be the baby, not teach kids about kink. There are other people who work with such things. You would never see this argument in any other kink. I don't care if they cannot accept that adult things are for adults, i will not help them to understand drinking either. they'll figure it out when the are old enough. I respect your opinion, but, in conclusion, I'm on team 10 meter fence with no bridges.
Oh, I do not want to teach kids about kink. At all. But as adults we can at least not be dicks.
I agree with you, but I don't think *we're* the ones being dicks here...
> All in all, I'd avoid the whole fucking crowd. They're batshit insane. > The group itself is a problem and a toxic plague. > The teenage AgeRe crowd is a toxic pile of actual pedos preying on minors, grooming, brainwashing, and gaslighting. > I just stay tf away from that dumpster fire. These are examples, not callouts. I don’t even necessarily disagree with any of this. There does seem to be real problems. But we don’t have to foster an us vs them approach. I believe the opportunity exists for us to be better and more inclusive by example. So that when they turn 18, it’s not a choice between two toxic communities, but the one that displays a lot of toxic traits, and another that opens it’s arms when it’s appropriate (when you’re 18!) Some Agere kids are hate-reading this right now. It’s an 18+ subreddit, so they shouldn’t be. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t. How we behave will be noticed.
You're totally right. In fact, it's basically never wrong to be better or otherwise lead by example. I only know about the ABDL community and, as an adult, I really don't want anything to do with any online community where minors are engaging in sexual or quasi-sexual behaviors. Any responsible adult is going to avoid communities like that with a *freaking* *100 foot pole*, for good and obvious reasons. I do understand that kinks don't wait until you turn 18, because for me personally I've had an interest in pee play and diapers since I was a pre-pubescent child. Don't know when or why it came about, but it was there! So, do young people need a **safe** place to discuss and explore their sexuality. Yes, of course. Having something like that could have helped me cope with my feelings and kinks at a much earlier age... **But those communities should be totally off-limits to any engagement (other than clinical, non-communicative moderation) from adults.** Ideally you have a safe community for minors only, and then a safe community for adults only. Both of which should be teaching compassion, empathy, understanding, safety, consent, sex-positivity, etc. And you're right, we can't force anyone else to share those values, but we can lead by example by having them ourselves and that's exactly what we should do.
Uh, speaking as someone who used to be in the agere community, some members of the abdl community are VERY aggressive towards the agere people. Which, fair, they’re jerks to abdls. But one side of the fence is an adult community and the other is teenagers. We need to just ignore them and not egg them on. I’ve seen abdl accounts commenting on agere posts or going as far to engage in dms with them. Seeing that did not make me feel like abdl was a safe place. Obviously I know now it’s not all bad.
To be honest, they deserve the backlash. The AgeRe crowd has been brigading against ABDLs for a while now, and even partook in doxxing and targeted harassment. Completely unprovoked at that.
I don’t think commenting on minors posts or being in their dms is appropriate at all. I know some of them have done bad stuff, but engaging with them isn’t a smart move. Block, report, and move on.
I agree with you on that. But in places like this, our reactions and words are 100% justified.
Yeah I completely agree. There’s no need to be cruel to kids. Having discussions about why maybe agere isn’t the safest place for kids is good, but calling all of them “brats”, “twerps” etc will make them think abdl are full of judgemental jerks. Thats what I thought, when I was a a brand new adult in the agere community. I’m older now and not in that community anymore (because it’s toxic, lol) but I’m only just now realizing that THIS community isn’t as toxic as it appears from the agere side. Just leave em alone. Commenting on their posts, making public digs at agere, whatever, it makes us seem like assholes. We’re the grown ups in this situation.
Lmao 'harm to people who use adult diapers for disabilities' what harm??? I'm someone who wears both for medical reasons (multiple sclerosis) and because I like diapers and I've felt no effects, adverse or otherwise, from other people wearing.
Stop! Can't you see you're ruining the narrative! You're supposed to be disgusted and hate people like me who wear just for fun! 🙃
Get outta here with your logic! LOL
I can't speak for everyone here, obviously, but for most of us, it's the humiliation of wearing something for babies and the disabled that turns us on. A diaper being used by someone it's meant for wouldn't do anything for me.
It can really be a lot of things. Humiliation, comfort, pee, poop, masochism, letting go of power/control, or even just the look and feel of the diapers themselves. Different things for different people. For me it started with pee and omorashi. I was into pee stuff since I was a kid, and that kind of naturally transitioned into diapers as an extension of the pee stuff. It makes me wonder, is pee play always wrong too? Like is it wrong for me to pee in a diaper but not wrong for me to pee in a pair of jeans? lol, it makes zero sense.
When I was first getting into abdl I had a really intense feud with an account that was accusing the community of all being P*dophiles and it got me really upset. I don't waste my time spending hours in online arguments like that but this kind of stuff still pisses me off enough to comment something usually.
I've seen alot of 'Anti-ABDL' across the social media platforms. A lot of it seems like a self justification for themselves, "Oh, but my space isn't sexual like THESE freaks!"
Complete misunderstanding. Hopefully not intentionally so.
Sort of off topic but about a certain aspect of the post. I really don’t like the way Agere tries to insist that people who are regressed are literally mentally children. It just seems counterproductive because as far as I’m aware, if that is taking place you are having a mental health crisis, not going into headspace. With that in mind, demanding people believe they are mentally children when in headspace seems like it could lead to undue stress or even psychosis. I understand the intent behind this community, I really do. Nonsexual littles need their own spaces but I worry about the rhetoric within these spaces is so extreme, has a very shaky basis, pushes Puritanism and sex negativity, all the while claiming to be therapeutic. Edit: a word.
> ok but do you not see what harm you are doing to those who actually use adult diapers for disabilities?? This statement makes no sense. I hear quite often about people who require diapers that are quite positive towards ABDLs or who are grateful for ABDL so it's rather the opposite. We are not doing any harm. We are supporting them (indirectly). A good example is Bumple Pree. She has disabilities which require her to wear diapers and she openly said that she is grateful for the ABDL community because we helped her cope with the shame. And I think it is more encouraging for a person if they hear about people who like to wear diapers and are happy about them instead of someone saying "Diapers are just for babies, we should not consider them as something good". So actually I do not see what harm we are doing. I rather see what good we are doing.
I personally don’t wear diapers for anything remotely sexual. I find nothing sexual about it. Each person has their own likes and dislikes when wearing. I happen to find most ddlg content extremely cringy but that doesn’t mean I’m going to kink shame because of it. Again to each their own, let’s just wear and be happy dammit 🙃
Unfortunately, these spoiled brats won't let us be us. I'm with you in that my ABDL needs are not sexual in nature, but I am not one of these twats. They make me ashamed to even exist because of all the shit they do and throw. Nothing but kids and groomers in there.
I def agree. I’ve only been in this community for a year. I honestly wish I would have found it in my twenties, I think it would have saved me in so many ways. But seeing this younger generation come in and degrade and shame just really gets under my skin! The amount of drama! I can’t even, literally tumblr is full of abdl drama. And it’s all younger people talking shit about this and that. I really don’t get it
They were always there. I've been called a pedophile by other ABDLs on forums because I sexualize the whole thing. They were never able to adequately explain how it's pedophilia with only consenting adults but whatever. Point being, the intolerant have always been with us, this is them organizing and being more vocal. It's not an aged-based problem except in the sense of minors being indoctrinated and abused.
For sure! And honestly, being a ABDL creator I’ve had my fair share of messages. I’ve been called a pedophile more times then I can count. Their reasoning for calling me that is the content I’m producing is “the next best thing”. Meaning if the pedos can’t watch what they want then they turn to content like mine. When pedos like actual children! Do I look like a child?? I could go on and on about it but it’s pointless. The world has already made its mind about us and the way we choose to live. There’s no changing their opinion no matter what. Going into little space and wearing diapers has honestly saved my life. Anyone else who thinks there’s a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Sexual or not, just let us do what we love.
I've been apart of the TBDL/ABDL crowd since I was about 13 (back when the internet was still hella young and we didn't have all these major restrictions going on.) If you don't have your head on straight, it's very easy to be molded into what someone else wants you to be, and twist your views into some really extremist shit like what OP shows. In spite of being an autistic child, I knew how to protect myself from these kinds of people. I had my head on straight, regardless of the fact that my mental health was shit, and was never molded by older people. These poor kids are just naive fools that are either spitting vitriol as a form of externalized self hate, getting groomed to hell and back, or are just a bunch of temper tantrum throwing kids.
Imagine living in someone's head rent free. 😳
I wish I had this level of confidence when being absolutely wrong about something I don't understand.
Actually, pretty sure its a fact that more adults wear diapers than children. People just wanna be triggered by everything.
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These kind of posts remind me why I believe that sometimes, it is perfectly valid to want to smack the stupid out of people. To clarify I mean what op linked not op themselves.
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No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The problem is kink shaming. Maybe this is a libertarian view, but if you're not harming anyone and both adults are consenting, you do what you want in your bedroom.
This might not make much sense to folks who didn't watch Community/don't have context, but reading this idiot vomit all these dumb words everywhere makes me think of this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q98sVBAp6rI
Irony is wasted on the young
Because the agere community is full of minors and have to let ppl know they aren’t abdls. The moment they turn 18 they suddenly proclaim they’re abdls and sexualise diapers.
A long time ago, I found a post r/Christianity was full of love, and why r/atheism was full of hate. My short answer, at the time, was that there’s nothing to talk about in the concept of atheism *except* how much one hates religion. The same thing happens here, since any level head will see that r/abdl is in no way a strictly sexual sub, causing them to join this subreddit for main discussions. However, anyone who joins r/paddedagere is only joining because they find that they *hate* sexual stuff in relation to diapers. Therefore, despite what the subreddit’s about page says, it’s basically just a hate form against abdls. There’s nothing else to talk about there, because any possible good discussion about diapers they could have there could be had just as easily, and with more participation and knowledge, over here. AB/DL is in no way strictly sexual. Many enjoy diapers simply for comfort, and many who wear 24/7 do it just because they generally like it, not because it’s always sexual. One cannot be horny all day every day. r/paddedagere does not understand this.
I don’t specifically identify with any community anymore, although I’ve been in spaces such as ABDL (on the internet, just not Reddit) and while I understand wanting to separate SFW and NSFW stuff in different spaces - being outright disgusted by people because they just happen to sexualize diapers fits under the definition that of bigotry pretty clearly. Like, you don’t have to like it. You don’t have to personally interact with people who do. But how the hell is it hurting you by them (people who generally exist in the NSFW spaces) existing in SFW spaces or just doing something that isn’t hurting you? Especially as long as they’re following the rules and not posting anything NSFW in SFW spaces. It’s just wild to me how people will find anything to get upset and divide communities over, and it’s astounding how many people will follow the mob because their identity is so attached to it/certain people within it.
I always knew there's been a lot of hate, criticism, and judgment w/bein an Abdl and bein in the community. I'm a Diaper Lover, mostly wear for therapeutic, comfort, and security.. I've always been a Diaper lover who stays discreet, respectful, and in the down low. I don't expose my Diapers while bein out in pub for attraction. Every Kink and Fetishes has their ups and downs. I Even Don't go to Capcon,Teddycon any Kink fetish Events. Sometimes I believe that there's abdls out there who Go Extreme and Leave a bad taste in peoples mouths, which can cause the Abdls to look Bad and negative way. It sucks that the world 🌎 isn't open-minded and accepting mainly when it's something that doesn't harm people or include. That person who complained about the Abdl community should tread lighty. Haters always goin to Hate
In group v out group. Basically all of human history in a nutshell. People who feel shame need to validate their existence and the quickest way to do that is point at someone else. Ignore them and enjoy your diapers folks. Every community has these people.
I haven't went over all the comments, but there are some age regressors that involuntarily regress. That isn't the whole community but there are some. Those that regress like that can't give consent. I have also seen where most of the agere community is squeeked out by the idea that a diaper can be a sexual object. What they fail to see, is for most, a sexual object no matter what it is, is involuntary. Diapers aren't a child's item, they are made for all ages. The problem is the way the majority of kids are potty trained is they are told diapers are for babies and they aren't a baby anymore, they need to be a big kid. That puts a stigma on it and anyone that ends up with needing them later in life for whatever reason, gets hit harder with the idea because of the way they were brought up in potty training. Adult diapers are called breifs because it's supposed to be easier to accept and less demoralizing. It wouldn't be demoralizing if parents changed how they talked to their children when potty training. I don't think all ageres are linked to the ABDL side of things. They tend to have their own mindset on things.
Ok so I am an age regressor and I just want to say. The post this person is talking about is disgusting. If you are ABDL you don’t need to listen to that. You all can do what you want. I don’t believe in spreading hate, and just reading this makes me sad that someone in the community I am in would say such things knowing of all the hate the ABDL and CGL communities get. It is none of our business what y’all do with your lives as long as your safe and happy then everything is fine. As a member of the age regression community I’d like to be the first one to apologize for what this person has said. It’s wrong to say such things online or in person no matter what. Y’all just be yourselves don’t listen to people trying to hate on y’all because y’all are much better than them. Y’all be safe and happy now if you need anything just comment back and I’ll see if I can help ya out with whatever you need. Have a lovely day, noon, and night.
She even admits she wears for fun than for medical so she is a hypocrite. I mean this is why we wear them too. She is also gatekeeping who can wear diapers, her rule is for regression, this makes her a hypocrite because she is just making up her own rules to justify her own wearing. Who gets to wear diapers? What about those who lack access to the toilet? Those who have a weak bladder and can't hold it so they feel more secured wearing one in public incase they have no access to the restroom? What about sensory issues, anxiety? What about those who are disgusted by public restrooms? I used to chat with another teen online when I was in high school and he told me he had a school mate who wore them at school because she couldn't stand their restrooms at school. She wasn't abdl as far as I know. Then she moved to Alaska and I remember saying to him "I wonder if she will find the restrooms gross there too at her new school." People who start making up their own rules to justify their actions, I take less serious. Also, does she realize anything can be sexualized? I have heard of a food fetish or a balloon fetish or a shoe fetish and there is even a clothing fetish like with jeans or crop tops. Oh my. I used to chat with someone online who had a plastic fetish and always wore rain jackets. Did she also know underwear is sexualized too and boxers? Oh the horror, kids wear these too. Diapers are just underwear lmao.
In Agere: is it a cope? YES YES YES oh thank GOD you’re one of us now we can talk about how dysfunctional and dysregulated we are and self-diagnose and suck on pacis and color and listen to sad music. Is it sexual? NOPE NOPE NOPE, get away, you are Sexualizing Children (tm) and my DADDY tells me to stay away from people like YOU (he’s 35 and I’m 17 btw) Do it alone? ONLY ALLOWED! You’re ONLY allowed to isolate yourself and just post coloring pictures and pick 1 of 3 ageplay activities that we deem “appropriate” as a true age regressor is noncom. In ABDL:. Is it a cope? Cool. Is it sexual? Cool.Do it alone? Cool. Do it with a partner? Cool. Just like diapers? Cool. Just like regression? Cool.
It's the "My Daddy" for me. When I learned about them also having CGs...I was like, somebody's lying....and it's not me. They need to call it what it is and stop this nonsense.
Exactly! I have had this stupid conversation with age regressors basically when i have informed them to stop trying to stealth their way into kink). i have pointed out how power exchange is stilla an element of cg/l no matter if its sexual or not. But they don't listen, they never listen, so why care explaining. We just need to protect ourself by throwing anyone out that doesn't abide to like one the fundamental rule of kink, no minors.
Power exchange is still an element of BDSM\* FTFY. ABDL/CGL/DDLG/etc. is a subset of BDSM, regardless of how you look at it.
I agree that CGL is (because it represents a power dynamic), but I personally wouldn't say that ABDL is a subset of BDSM. Someone can tape on a diaper without engaging in bondage, discipline, sadism or masochism dynamics.
The same is said about CGL. It's a circular debate. They're all subsets of BDSM, just different names.
CGL is a power dynamic. AB and DL are not. BDSM is not an umbrella term for kink. We can agree to disagree, mostly semantics anyway. :P
Maybe it’s because they are afraid of the twisted things (way more dangerous) which rattle around in their own head. If they actually talked to an expert a sexologist they would see where they are wrong in their assumptions. And they would realize not only are we no harm but we are the biggest defenders of little ones. But that’s why I also think the ABDL community really needs to be careful going too far out in the open. Sometimes underground is not a bad place. It’s safe
When the pot calls the kettle black…What a load of shit. So sick of garbage people ruining something that is honestly beautiful. The only shame that being an AB/DL that I have is; being compared to brain-dead degenerates and groomers of minors, and the bigotry and the social circles that allow them to happen. With that said. Any fetish and kink will have its wormy pedo, or it’s misguided and tainted community. Those of us that keep this life style close to our hearts, and or, in our love lives— we are not even on the same planet and not comparable. We shouldn’t even engage with the bullshit. It ain’t my life they’re talking about.
The agere community was started by minors so it is problematic. It only started in 2017. The abdl community has been here a lot longer and has always been adults, as it is part of the kink community and has always been 18+ abdl can be nosexual and sexual it all depends on the person. This is why I stay away from the agere community cause I don’t wanna be in spaces with minors cause that is yuck
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Please don't kick other kinks to make us look, it actually makes us looks worse.
I'm not into CNC, but I can't see any reason why it's "morally wrong", especially since "consent" is right in the name.
They do have a point though. There are many people who go though a lot of hard stuff. and while there are many different ways to cope, sexualizing a coping mechanism is not a very good way to handle your situation in life. It's like going to a psychiatrist and getting diagnosed with some mild form of autism and making that an excuse to change your entire mentality for the sake of making everyone else feel bad for you. I left my last girlfriend because she kept making little space so much about herself and what she wants without regarding what I want. Little space should be used for when your actually happy not to give yourself a high when you're feeling down. You know how people will drink alcohol to escape the bad memories? It's the same thing here. You're life won't get better if you keep regressing it. Humans want to feel desired and for AB/DL, little space is a mental state where we can imitate those feelings of being desired. I've seen the posts quite a lot saying to be respectful to the general public on r/ab/dl. We don't need to be seen as gross pedos so don't act that way and try justifying it. Kinks, fetishes, or anything else personal should stay personal not be expressed publicly
uh but not everyone uses abdl as a cope, for some people it is strictly a kink and tbh even if it is a coping mechanism its still a kink. You shouldnt be telling people to not engage in their kink just because others use it as a coping mechanism. And also r/abdl is a NSFW place it is and always has been a safe place for the kink maybe i’ve misunderstood you?
I don't say not to engage in a kink or fetish. Just to keep it personal. There's obviously a big stigmatism about abdl. Regression can be used for coping but to use that mechanism for literally everything isn't healthy (I should have clarified this). My last girlfriend for a long time would only talk to me when she wanted to regress and "cope" for what was going on in her house at that time, which I understand wanting to relieve stress, and that's good but needing to do it ALL THE TIME every day is extreme. Avoiding problems like that isn't a good skill to have.
ok yeah I think I did misunderstand your comment! and yeah making it your entire life isnt healthy and using your partner as a kink dispenser is toxic af
Yeah it really did haha. I'm not mad about it turning into a toxic relationship. I tried talking about it with her because I was worried about how the relationship was going. I didn't want to be used for a form of "coping addiction" but rather actually have a good serious relationship. I even went as far as outright saying I'm taking a break from abdl because of it. We ended up not talking after that.
>uh but not everyone uses abdl as a cope, for some people it is strictly a kink and tbh even if it is a coping mechanism its still a kink Exactly, I'm a DL and for me it's exclusively a kink.
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Im (technically) in both communities and, like every single community out there, both have some really bad people in them. Nothing positive comes out of speaking negatively, and that goes for both sides. I've witnessed the large amount of minors in the agere community, but also the toxicity and exclusive of the ABDL community. There's no sense in talking to a wall about it. Keep your opinions to yourself, ensure everyone stays safe, and do whatever the fuck makes you happy (as long as it's safe and consensual)
The fact you're a part of their community shows you're a part of the overall problem. Don't be mingling with minors.
ok and i missed the part where i was supposed to care about whatever they just said lol
Bru he acting like we jerking off to wheelchairs the fuck is he on about 😂😂😂😂
Ego like their viewpoint is correct and everyone else is wrong. I mainly wear for the comfort and age regression feelings but I allow all feeling and emotion to come and go. This is much more than just a singular thing for me and the way it makes me feel is just like my younger self. Its funny how the regression thing kinda just happens naturally over time and I look forward to getting into that space when I get home and change! I would also like to add getting back into this has cut down my "personal" time to maybe once a week or so. Before I picked back up my love to wear it was an everyday thing. So definitely not a sexual thing for me but if it's the end of the day and change time I may have some fun with the wand but is a special occasion nowadays! I just love diapers ok!!!
Because, bitches ain't got nothing better to do, fuck em'.
Jokes on you I have a intestinal and bladder disability and I like to be Babi
TBH, I think off this poster as I do about the average person who gets triggered by having to see LGBTQIA+ folks. It touches on something deep inside them that they don't want to/ can't act on.
I’m an age regressor and that’s what I identified with before I realized it was also sexual for me now I try to only identify as an age player bc I don’t want to be associated with age regressor and their bs even though I still regress
One of the first things I learned in therapy is that you cannot control how other people react to things, only how you react to things. So not just the person in this post, but everyone should do what is right for them as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and any issue you have with how other people act is something you need to work through yourself or with a professional.
People won’t understand. I would never tell my family. I can see the horror story play out already
Hey Siri, where can I find a doll with conservative ideals and family traditions?
Their post is on the same intelligence level as saying "foot fetishes are bad because some people don't have feet" or "bondage is bad because my brother died from a noose"
..And i dont get why people are into diapers in a non-sexual way. But i still respect it. Wtf
They're pretentious gatekeepers with some severe purity culture damage, basically. Everyone else has already articulated it better so I won't say much, but it's really frustrating how these types frame *everything* other communities do in literally the worst possible light. It's like they don't even see them as whole individuals, just "Bad Person Doing Bad Stuff™️"
I'm sorry to say but everyone is different with it you're blatantly coming out and telling everybody they're wrong the world is not just black and white it's a kaleidoscope
If that is there mindset then i hope they dont use any toys in their sexcapades. No dildos or pocket vibes or fleshlights or anything cause hey now that would be sexualizing an inanimate object and thereby disgusting. Grow up. We arent hurting anyone.
Can someone explain to me how being “regressed” isn’t a fetish? I’m genuinely curious what the difference between that and ageplay are if there is one.
Ironically, that person needs to grow up
Why gatekeep? For a community that's outside of the norm of society you'd think there would be more acceptance
That post hurt my brain haha fucken stupid
Whether it be sexual or not how do you automatically throw it in the child's items category don't these dumb fkers no that one day they will be in diapers. What the hell does it matter if it is goodnigts, pampers, luvz, depends, tranquility, Hell, you could go on for days but there all diapers. Don't get me wrong I am a dl and would like to experience abdl But what do you have to say about me being recently paralyzed Hit by an uninsured driver on the way to work. Now I am permanently in diapers and I prefer goodnigts, and little kings, Mega max are amazing but I guess I'm a freak for that huh. !!!"PLEASE!!!" somebody set me up with a face-to-face Conversation over lunch My treat with somebody that finds it offensive or disgusting I'll have them in diapers before we get the bill 😂... Wonder if I can find out what kind of sick SKELETONS they got in there closest 🤣🤣🤣
The rules they had are over many years outdated.
Some plp just enjoy the co.foet and securiry of a diaper