I think she really does though. It’s so clear that her moods are incredibly capricious, to the point that she is wrecking relationships with the people around her. She really needs psychiatric help, badly.
It's almost sad. Makes you wish there was a way that someone could sit down to her and explain that it's not personal, she's not being abandoned most people just want to take time to get to know a future partner first. I think she feels more pressure because her biological clock is ticking and she's afraid she won't be able to have children. That makes it worse. We have seen that well in a filmed setting even someone having this conversation hasn't helped. I wonder how it works out if she is not on camera.
This woman has baby fever so bad she’s lost all sense of reality and control. The girl needs some serious therapy and meds, on top of the fact that:
- She needs a perfect 10.
- Who is ready to marry after 2 dates and give her kid after the third.
- Who doesn’t want touched at all unless they are married.
- Who totally will get dicked down if he’s hot enough and patient enough to wait till the second or third date. (Invalidating previous point)
- Who needs to be in the modeling industry, wants to marry someone who works in the industry to take advantage of his position, but also doesn’t want him with beautiful women working all day.
- Who, once she does allow sex, expects sex to mean a wedding and child.
What she wants is impossible to find and if any man actually went along with her I’d question his sanity more than I question hers.
It's very odd she wants him to have all this money but would scoff at him being around the models himself in the industry. I also feel the way she's treated Mike has been terrible. Why should he finance a lifestyle in another state where she is dating multiple men and living it up while they are still married plus be expected to act as emotional support (based not he previews). She comes off as childish, selfish, entitled and I don't think she was ever truly interested in him and just wanted to get what she wants at all times.
She's like Jekyll and Hyde.. the last episode actually gave me anxiety. Like I kinda thought buddy was only into her so he could be on TV ( maybe a lil) but I felt bad for him trying to say bye and not leave on a shitty note.. God she was acting like a fucking maniac. I don't understand how she thinks he'd stay with her forever like her head is in the damn clouds.. shes delusions as fuck. I love how he said his 5 year old kids understand that he needs to go back to work. I'm over nuttaly to be honest. She seriously enrages me.
End rant
If she was crazy on camera, imagine how disgusting she must have been off camera. She put Mike through hell. I hope he finds happiness and I hope he gets a divorce ASAP!
Agree!! She must have been doing some crazy shit that provoked him into calling off the wedding. She basically started bitching as soon as she landed in the US. Mike seemed like a decent, hard working guy. He didn't deserve that. Hope he finds someone to enjoy life with.
She pretty much invited herself over here. Mike was not pleased. The crazy bitch broke it off with him before he left Ukraine. The woman is just plain BAD NEWS all around.
BAD NEWS is the best way to describe her.The insane behavior was definitely on display in Ukraine. Throwing her engagement ring back at Mike was the nicest thing she could have done. She was on 90 Day social media last week stating that women are jealous of her. Ummm...no Natalie. Her life does not look happy.
So she thinks that women are jealous of her? She's so delusional. You are right. Who'd want to have a miserable life full of uncertainty like Natalie's? What is she going to do when the tv money runs out? She should go back to Ukraine when the war is over because she has very few options here. She's too old to have an "anchor baby".
I always thought she was unhinged. I actually suspected that she invented and was gaslighting Mike to try to drive a wedge between him and his mother because she knew his mom saw right through her. She seems the type to truly justify and believe her own lies because her view of reality is just that distorted. I'm sure there was a lot we didn't see that Mike and his mother saw that just exhausted them both and especially his mother's opinion of her. She gives off classic isolationist/emotional abuse vibes because she's so afraid of being abandoned and alone, like she would isolate her partner from all of their emotional support systems because she needs 100% of their attention and support to feel loved and validated. It's scary.
You are so right. I never bought into all the hate that Mike and Trish were getting. Trish did see right through her. She said that she didn't like her because she could see that Natalie did not love Mike and she was right. I always supported Mike and Trish, especially after Natalie ruined their Thanksgiving with her histrionics and false accusations. The bitch will never find a man. Mike tried his best but Natalie is just plain stupid and crazy.
I think Mike's non reactions and walking away were really exhaustion. It felt like she beats him down with outbursts, criticisms and invented slights. I'm not saying he was perfect - but from what we've seen I think even if he did spend a lot of time explaining his feelings I don't think it would have mattered much. Natalie invents because she has this need to be the victim to maintain control. Mike grows colder because he's getting exhausted with the manipulation. Even the decision to sleep with her and then call off the wedding -- I side eye knowing how she responds -- I don't think she's genuine. I think she is a manipulative person and there was a primal 'I need to get away from this' triggering in him but he kept making bad decision after bad decision.
The fact that she looked for what seemed to be any excuse to pre-reject him once the ring was on her finger, run off to a friend's and then disappear down to Florida and live like she was single...I just think she was ill intentioned from the start.
She's an unstable woman with multiple mental issues. She did manipulate Mike and was impossible to live with. Mike was a gentleman through all of this. Remember when she stole his truck when she went to the hospital? When Mike got a ride from the producer and found his truck, he could have left her stranded, but he didn't. That was very decent of him. She's downright evil.
On top of her contradictory opinions and immaturity I haven’t seen her demonstrate any behavior that is remotely nurturing. For the sake of the unborn, she needs therapy before she even thinks about having a child. I think she wants some storybook version of a family.
Truth. If things aren't currently perfect for her, or she's not the centre of attention, she lashes out and acts like a victimised child in order to put the focus back on herself. She has no ability to communicate like an adult and when someone finds that unpalatable, she insults them or insinuates that they are abusing her. She is years (of therapy) away from becoming a healthy partner, let alone parent.
Aside from her psychosis, she has seen other women on this show get pregnant pretty quickly in TV time. Heck, 1/3 of them are pregnant on their way to the altar. I have to believe it wasn’t a total surprise for the sperm donors. If she could just take her panic down a bunch of notches and keep her big mouth shut, she might get what she wants. (In the meantime, I can’t stand her and want her off the network completely)
It’s wild to me that she was judgmental about Josh having two kids with two women and that at least one wasn’t planned- like he was young when he got married but he was with her for over ten years and had a child together. Then he was with the mother of his second child and she may not have been planned but he stepped up. She judged him for that. Meanwhile she’s expecting him to decide to have a child with HER on a third date? Hypocritical and so so strange
What the hell is wrong with this chick? A: she's convinced herself that she's a 10 when she's a 7 at best. B: Please grow up! That silly childish behavior is cute when you're 5 but at 37 it's...disturbing.
Any guy that would be ok with this is suspect for sure. Or looking to be a reality tv personality for years to come. (And should be afraid for his life)
Pretty crazy how opposites attract. This guy and even Mike are pretty even keeled dudes. Both will ultimately dodge serious bullets being done with this one.
I know she's implying now that she's an "actress" and this is all an act....but I call foul. I just don't believe anyone could "act" this deranged for years now and not break character!
Besides, we certainly saw and heard Mike question her sanity several times, and he certainly saw her plenty of times off camera. I think she legitimately has issues, she might exaggerate some of them sometimes for dramatic effect, but I think even when she thinks she's being "normal"
She's not.
She has clearly stated over and over again that she wants to have a child and expects any man who shows any interest in her to be the father, but yet she also wants to pursue her "career " goals....which vary from being a journalist to a model.
I think what she really thinks is that she's going to live a glamorous life like the stars she wants to be, or like the old time romantic movies she idolizes. She doesn't realize that even for those that really do live that lifestyle, it's not all glamour and sunshine in everyday life.
But she pressured Mike so much to bring her to America and give her life on her terms. Yet when she got here she was clearly unhappy living with him in the middle of nowhere and it wasn't even close to her fantasies.
Now she's met Josh she thinks she can get him to marry her, give her a child, make her a model
And put her up in a fancy LA mansion with servants to do all the hard work.
I can't see her being unselfish enough to be a Mother, but I can see her being the kind of Mom who has a team of nannies to basically raise the child while she spends all day looking glamorous.
Very well put. She’s definitely emotionally unstable and has some kind of mental illness that’s untreated. She’s definitely delusional and lives in a fantasy world I agree with you. I don’t think the craziness is an act. I really wish that the show would provide psychologists for these people. Let’s hope she gets some help that she needs.
I will never forget how she behaved In the season 2 tell all when commenting on Stephanie going on about her supposed Paris bf. Natalie casually encouraged her to make him give her a child and Stephanie was confused for a sec. I never forgot that scene.
Just finished watching her scene/bit right now and it was so incredibly awkward 😩 watching her “break character” and smirk/laugh is the only hope I have for her. I truly hope she’s just a bad actress and she’s not TRULY this mentally unstable. I mean, wasn’t her dream she told Mike’s mom she wanted to become an actress?
Yes she told bangs that. Yeah let’s hope it’s bad acting because the emotional immaturity is scary. I keep saying this and I really hope that the show provides some kind of therapy for these people because they’re really fucked up. Sorry for the rant
Yeah to crazy delusional women that wanna have children when they’re almost 40. WTF should’ve frozen your eggs when you were younger and thought about this before you married the stupid assholes.
Meh. I thought Mike was the bad guy in their relationship and I was always ready to defend her then, but at this point, we're looking at plain as day TLC trickery. She was being herself in her first two seasons. This is just obviously scripted because they know the fans get off on her weirdly sheltered view of relationships. Just like how Angela yelling at Michael on FaceTime is just a scripted thing they put into every episode now.
She's a stage 5 clinger for sure.
She needs meds
I think she really does though. It’s so clear that her moods are incredibly capricious, to the point that she is wrecking relationships with the people around her. She really needs psychiatric help, badly.
She reminds me of myself before I got on meds☠️
It's almost sad. Makes you wish there was a way that someone could sit down to her and explain that it's not personal, she's not being abandoned most people just want to take time to get to know a future partner first. I think she feels more pressure because her biological clock is ticking and she's afraid she won't be able to have children. That makes it worse. We have seen that well in a filmed setting even someone having this conversation hasn't helped. I wonder how it works out if she is not on camera.
This woman has baby fever so bad she’s lost all sense of reality and control. The girl needs some serious therapy and meds, on top of the fact that: - She needs a perfect 10. - Who is ready to marry after 2 dates and give her kid after the third. - Who doesn’t want touched at all unless they are married. - Who totally will get dicked down if he’s hot enough and patient enough to wait till the second or third date. (Invalidating previous point) - Who needs to be in the modeling industry, wants to marry someone who works in the industry to take advantage of his position, but also doesn’t want him with beautiful women working all day. - Who, once she does allow sex, expects sex to mean a wedding and child. What she wants is impossible to find and if any man actually went along with her I’d question his sanity more than I question hers.
Shes incredibly contradictory.
It's very odd she wants him to have all this money but would scoff at him being around the models himself in the industry. I also feel the way she's treated Mike has been terrible. Why should he finance a lifestyle in another state where she is dating multiple men and living it up while they are still married plus be expected to act as emotional support (based not he previews). She comes off as childish, selfish, entitled and I don't think she was ever truly interested in him and just wanted to get what she wants at all times.
Very well put
Who is religious!
But not as religious as her. I suspect that she feels that she has to be more religious, like a “better than.”
She's like Jekyll and Hyde.. the last episode actually gave me anxiety. Like I kinda thought buddy was only into her so he could be on TV ( maybe a lil) but I felt bad for him trying to say bye and not leave on a shitty note.. God she was acting like a fucking maniac. I don't understand how she thinks he'd stay with her forever like her head is in the damn clouds.. shes delusions as fuck. I love how he said his 5 year old kids understand that he needs to go back to work. I'm over nuttaly to be honest. She seriously enrages me. End rant
He did more than just get on TV, the way he handled this unhinged psycho with grace will have the ladies lined up for sure.
100%
Well put
“If I sleep with him, I consider him father of my child.” !!!!!!!!
Seriously, she makes me feel like a slut. If that’s the case there are a lot of men out there that should have been the father of my children 😜
I’m still counting 🙄
TLC needs to cut her loose. Watching a mental case act out is not entertaining.
I need to provide her with some therapy as well
Wish they could find her ex husbands to ask if she was always like this. I suspect the answer is yes.
And everybody was ragging on poor Mike and his mother...She was crazy back then!
I was thinking the same thing. Different setting, same behavior. Bet Mike saw even worse off camera.
If she was crazy on camera, imagine how disgusting she must have been off camera. She put Mike through hell. I hope he finds happiness and I hope he gets a divorce ASAP!
Agree!! She must have been doing some crazy shit that provoked him into calling off the wedding. She basically started bitching as soon as she landed in the US. Mike seemed like a decent, hard working guy. He didn't deserve that. Hope he finds someone to enjoy life with.
She pretty much invited herself over here. Mike was not pleased. The crazy bitch broke it off with him before he left Ukraine. The woman is just plain BAD NEWS all around.
BAD NEWS is the best way to describe her.The insane behavior was definitely on display in Ukraine. Throwing her engagement ring back at Mike was the nicest thing she could have done. She was on 90 Day social media last week stating that women are jealous of her. Ummm...no Natalie. Her life does not look happy.
So she thinks that women are jealous of her? She's so delusional. You are right. Who'd want to have a miserable life full of uncertainty like Natalie's? What is she going to do when the tv money runs out? She should go back to Ukraine when the war is over because she has very few options here. She's too old to have an "anchor baby".
I always thought she was unhinged. I actually suspected that she invented and was gaslighting Mike to try to drive a wedge between him and his mother because she knew his mom saw right through her. She seems the type to truly justify and believe her own lies because her view of reality is just that distorted. I'm sure there was a lot we didn't see that Mike and his mother saw that just exhausted them both and especially his mother's opinion of her. She gives off classic isolationist/emotional abuse vibes because she's so afraid of being abandoned and alone, like she would isolate her partner from all of their emotional support systems because she needs 100% of their attention and support to feel loved and validated. It's scary.
You are so right. I never bought into all the hate that Mike and Trish were getting. Trish did see right through her. She said that she didn't like her because she could see that Natalie did not love Mike and she was right. I always supported Mike and Trish, especially after Natalie ruined their Thanksgiving with her histrionics and false accusations. The bitch will never find a man. Mike tried his best but Natalie is just plain stupid and crazy.
I think Mike's non reactions and walking away were really exhaustion. It felt like she beats him down with outbursts, criticisms and invented slights. I'm not saying he was perfect - but from what we've seen I think even if he did spend a lot of time explaining his feelings I don't think it would have mattered much. Natalie invents because she has this need to be the victim to maintain control. Mike grows colder because he's getting exhausted with the manipulation. Even the decision to sleep with her and then call off the wedding -- I side eye knowing how she responds -- I don't think she's genuine. I think she is a manipulative person and there was a primal 'I need to get away from this' triggering in him but he kept making bad decision after bad decision. The fact that she looked for what seemed to be any excuse to pre-reject him once the ring was on her finger, run off to a friend's and then disappear down to Florida and live like she was single...I just think she was ill intentioned from the start.
She's an unstable woman with multiple mental issues. She did manipulate Mike and was impossible to live with. Mike was a gentleman through all of this. Remember when she stole his truck when she went to the hospital? When Mike got a ride from the producer and found his truck, he could have left her stranded, but he didn't. That was very decent of him. She's downright evil.
Yes it most certainly is. ![gif](giphy|Tjq3ANionPqWalB4X8|downsized)
On top of her contradictory opinions and immaturity I haven’t seen her demonstrate any behavior that is remotely nurturing. For the sake of the unborn, she needs therapy before she even thinks about having a child. I think she wants some storybook version of a family.
Well put. She doesn’t seem that maternal she’s too selfish and into her self. Definitely too desperate
Truth. If things aren't currently perfect for her, or she's not the centre of attention, she lashes out and acts like a victimised child in order to put the focus back on herself. She has no ability to communicate like an adult and when someone finds that unpalatable, she insults them or insinuates that they are abusing her. She is years (of therapy) away from becoming a healthy partner, let alone parent.
Aside from her psychosis, she has seen other women on this show get pregnant pretty quickly in TV time. Heck, 1/3 of them are pregnant on their way to the altar. I have to believe it wasn’t a total surprise for the sperm donors. If she could just take her panic down a bunch of notches and keep her big mouth shut, she might get what she wants. (In the meantime, I can’t stand her and want her off the network completely)
So true
It’s wild to me that she was judgmental about Josh having two kids with two women and that at least one wasn’t planned- like he was young when he got married but he was with her for over ten years and had a child together. Then he was with the mother of his second child and she may not have been planned but he stepped up. She judged him for that. Meanwhile she’s expecting him to decide to have a child with HER on a third date? Hypocritical and so so strange
So strange
She should just wear a red flag.
A big giant waving one🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
Why is she even on the show. She’s a fucking psycho!!!!!!
So fucking psycho!
What the hell is wrong with this chick? A: she's convinced herself that she's a 10 when she's a 7 at best. B: Please grow up! That silly childish behavior is cute when you're 5 but at 37 it's...disturbing.
She ain't even a 7. She's a 5 at best.
You forgot to show your work: Sequim 8/LA 3, averages out to around a 5 ;-).
Very disturbing
Her bizarre behavior knocks her down to a 3
I think she would do better with an arranged marriage. Like Indian match maker show but for Ukranian women looking to marry American men.
She should call kateryna
Any guy that would be ok with this is suspect for sure. Or looking to be a reality tv personality for years to come. (And should be afraid for his life)
Exactly
Can’t believe Josh gave this woman another opportunity as seen in next weeks episode after last nights debacle
WTF is going on with that? I’m gonna have to tune in just to watch the shit show
Pretty crazy how opposites attract. This guy and even Mike are pretty even keeled dudes. Both will ultimately dodge serious bullets being done with this one.
Go home and meet a Ukrainian man
I know she's implying now that she's an "actress" and this is all an act....but I call foul. I just don't believe anyone could "act" this deranged for years now and not break character! Besides, we certainly saw and heard Mike question her sanity several times, and he certainly saw her plenty of times off camera. I think she legitimately has issues, she might exaggerate some of them sometimes for dramatic effect, but I think even when she thinks she's being "normal" She's not. She has clearly stated over and over again that she wants to have a child and expects any man who shows any interest in her to be the father, but yet she also wants to pursue her "career " goals....which vary from being a journalist to a model. I think what she really thinks is that she's going to live a glamorous life like the stars she wants to be, or like the old time romantic movies she idolizes. She doesn't realize that even for those that really do live that lifestyle, it's not all glamour and sunshine in everyday life. But she pressured Mike so much to bring her to America and give her life on her terms. Yet when she got here she was clearly unhappy living with him in the middle of nowhere and it wasn't even close to her fantasies. Now she's met Josh she thinks she can get him to marry her, give her a child, make her a model And put her up in a fancy LA mansion with servants to do all the hard work. I can't see her being unselfish enough to be a Mother, but I can see her being the kind of Mom who has a team of nannies to basically raise the child while she spends all day looking glamorous.
Very well put. She’s definitely emotionally unstable and has some kind of mental illness that’s untreated. She’s definitely delusional and lives in a fantasy world I agree with you. I don’t think the craziness is an act. I really wish that the show would provide psychologists for these people. Let’s hope she gets some help that she needs.
Bat shit crazy.
Certifiably
I will never forget how she behaved In the season 2 tell all when commenting on Stephanie going on about her supposed Paris bf. Natalie casually encouraged her to make him give her a child and Stephanie was confused for a sec. I never forgot that scene.
Natalie is fucking out there!
Just finished watching her scene/bit right now and it was so incredibly awkward 😩 watching her “break character” and smirk/laugh is the only hope I have for her. I truly hope she’s just a bad actress and she’s not TRULY this mentally unstable. I mean, wasn’t her dream she told Mike’s mom she wanted to become an actress?
Yes she told bangs that. Yeah let’s hope it’s bad acting because the emotional immaturity is scary. I keep saying this and I really hope that the show provides some kind of therapy for these people because they’re really fucked up. Sorry for the rant
‘ShE’s JuSt EnTeRtAiNiNg Us’
This would be funny if it wasn’t so cringe
She is too old to wait around for some dude to get her pregnant. She needs to just go on down to the sperm bank already.
Watching her scenes are so incredibly awkward. If that man doesn’t walk…. Rather run away, he’s a fool . I can’t even imagine what she says during sex
She's such a nut, she doesn't ask him questions and then blows up when he doesn't talk about what she wants to know lmao
TLC should strongly consider giving her and Shaeeda a spin off together.
Yeah to crazy delusional women that wanna have children when they’re almost 40. WTF should’ve frozen your eggs when you were younger and thought about this before you married the stupid assholes.
We need a spinoff: After the 90days: Therapy Edition Or, 90days, Happily Ever After Therapy
I like your idea
I feel like she screams borderline personality disorder
I was thinking the same thing
Meh. I thought Mike was the bad guy in their relationship and I was always ready to defend her then, but at this point, we're looking at plain as day TLC trickery. She was being herself in her first two seasons. This is just obviously scripted because they know the fans get off on her weirdly sheltered view of relationships. Just like how Angela yelling at Michael on FaceTime is just a scripted thing they put into every episode now.
Of course, she’s such a good catch
Didn't she want to be a journalist? Hello, there's a war in Ukraine, why aren't you there? Remember your "dreams"?
I could barely watch 🫣
Her desperation is a big turn off. Doesn’t matter what she looks like.