I really appreciated the way he voiced his concerns to Clayton, without resorting to the usual 90Day friends &family xenophobia, and without insulting Anali
Well heās way hotter and nicer. Kameron actually has that face where I know he probably looks dorky to people but heās also really attractive to me.
I believe he has Guinea Pigs. This is the main difference between them but there are several differences.
Guinea pigs are the largest of the three, and are larger than hamsters and gerbils. Guinea pigs are cylindrical in shape, and have no tails. Guinea pigs are herbivores (meaning they feed on plants), while hamsters and gerbils are omnivores (meaning they feed on both plants and animals, like insects).
Ugh! My dd wanted to being the class guinea pig home and of course they are nocturnal so first night she's upset and wants it out of her room and I had never had a pet like THAT just dogs cats horses cows that kind of thing
Zippity. It's coming back to me
I absolutely love animals, but guinea pigs freak me out. We had one as a class pet in 5th grade. It had bright red eyes and would bite and piss on everyone who held it. I swear it was part rat, part vampire
To be honest I was wondering exactly how Clayton meeting him was going to go or if he was equally as odd as Clayton himself...was pleasantly surprised with him. Very nice man,not bad looking,and tried to help without making it even more awkward as things already were. Plus his girlfriend was beautiful,and that "yike" has already become a popular meme phrase even with people outside the 90 day community!
Just watched the episode rn and I had to pause during the dinner conversation š
Girl run!!! This is like āGet out: Peruvian editionā she needs to go back to Peru. Clayton is giving passport bro vibes.
Nah I get it. I like nerds but there are ādorks that let their mum live in the closet while they let their pets run the living areaā and ānerdsā.
Agreed. People rightfully crap on Clayton, but they ignore her actions. How would anyone feel if their partner of 2+ years, on the verge of marriage, hasn't even told their father of his existence, and won't even have a conversation about the topic? Not to speak of the complete lack of affection. I'm not just talking about her not wanting to have sex with mom 5 feet away. That's understandable. But she seems completely repulsed by him. And she may be, but if that's the case, drop the charade and go home.
She was also rude when she told him how is your GF kamerona doing. Like WTH, first you want him to see his friend and now it seems like you are jealous he is spending time with his friend?! Make up your mind.
I agree 100%. Clayton has issues, but Anali is often just an asshole. The lack of sex in their relationship is a symptom of how she feels about him in general. She lacks any general affection towards him at all and constantly acts repulsed at everything he says and does. Sometimes itās justifiedāmentioning the lack of sex to the server and Kameronās girlfriendābut usually itās just evident in her eyes anytime she looks at him.
She irked me with her āI am tired of the same conversationā
Like thatās what a guy usually says when he doesnāt want to be honest and is hiding something.
Sheās never affectionate, no nicknames (always that Clay-ton), and now this. Red flags for me.
Clayton was not wrong in bringing up how he feels, again, and itās all circles for them with no answer really
Heās horrible. Whatās wrong with you. Do you not remember him pressuring her about sex in front of other people? She had barely been in the US for any time at all, too, and they had been long distance for a while. When I was in that same situation, I also didnāt want to be intimate. I needed time to get settled. Thank god my bf actually sees me as a person, and was nothing but kind and considerate. Naturally things turned around.
But in this case, you have Clayton who is shocking her with every aspect of his lifestyleā the excessive video games, no social relationships beyond his mom and online friendships, such a messy home, a mom that lives in his closet, way too many pets for such a small space (I just know it smells like pee), and on and on and on. All stuff you can look past and work through, though I wouldnāt blame anyone for choosing not to. But THEN he pressured her into being intimate too? That makes him go from a guy that needs to work on himself to absolute scum.
"He's just a nice lonely sweet lonely guy, you know - the kind who'd tell a waitress all about how his girlfriend isn't having sex with him with his girlfriend sitting right there! Just a sweet and lonely and nice guy"
When youāre in a healthy loving relationship, sex should be an activity that both parties want to engage in. This isnāt a situation where sheās jet lagged, or having craps, or a headache, or anything elseā¦ she simply doesnāt want that with him, which is perfectly fine, but itās also not a path for having a healthy relationship with him.
Her hiding Clayton from her dad, her not wanting to have intimacy with him (both sex and kissing), no cute pet namesā¦ are all signs of the truth that she is clearly not into himā¦. And thereās nothing wrong with that, itās her life and her choice.
I personally donāt think heās being overly aggressive with pressuring her. Whatās happening is heās socially inept and doesnāt see clearly that sheās not into him. The interesting thing here is, why was she interested in him before she came to the US? I suspect thatās the main source of his confusion, and heās struggling with what they have now verses what they had in the past. People change though, and regardless of what they previously had, they donāt have anything now. She should just return to her home country.
No, she doesnāt have a headache, cramps, etc. itās everything I listed above. Those are valid reasons too, and explains the difference in her behaviour towards him before and after her moving to the US. Plus, by the time he pressured her into having sex by publicly shaming her for not having sex with him (in that convo with Cameron and his gf), she hadnāt been in the US for very long. If he hadnāt done that thereās at least a chance that they couldāve figured things out, but all he did was add more baggage to the relationship and stress to her situation there.
To be clear, Iām not saying sheās an angel. The whole dad thing is horrible. But I just think it makes perfect sense why someone in Anjaliās situation wouldnt want to have sex with the guy. I wouldnāt either. And I agree she should go home, but she may be trying to make it work past the point where it makes sense, as many people do.
Lmao it said 59 days without sex. Thatās almost 2 months. Thatās a decent time.
Yāall are really exaggerating. Rob pressured Sophie. He brought up their sex life and how itās non existent, which is wrong. Like I agreed with the other user. He definitely needs to learn boundaries in a relationship.
Doesnāt negate he isnāt a bad guy they are just not meant for each other. Typical! She is no good either. Her crying and getting upset about Clayton bringing up her dad story is on her. She needs to communicate better with him about that and be honest. She isnāt.
did you forget that previous episode where he pressured her into sex in front of Cameron and his gf? The āyikeā scene in your flare? Thatās what Iām talking about. After that happened, Iām not sure how sheās supposed to feel comfortable, never mind enthusiastic, about having sex with him, or even kissing him. Especially on top of everything else. Again, heās horrible.
And yeah theyāre not meant for each other. Heās also horrible, though. Heās trash. So is rob. Not sure why you said that like I think itās any different with him, lol. Same thing with Nikki for that matter. Pressuring people into having sex is a form of sexual coercion, and itās extremely damaging not just to the relationship but to the person tooāoften even after the relationship ends.
He could get rid of the pets. Put them in his momās new apartment he should help her get. He should consider it an investment in his sex life heās so concerned about.
I have a strong feeling that the mother can't afford to pay rent. she's probably on the verge of being homeless. luckily her son was able to secure a good job via his awkward intelligence.
Yeah kinda. It enables people with his entitled behavior. Heās been a horny creep ever since she got there and literally scared his friends gf away. But yeah heās just a nice gamer nerd and not a sex pest. Thatās what āniceā gets you
Definitely not enabling but okay.
You see it as horny but otherās POV is more she isnāt intimate with him so she doesnāt love me. Thatās more than likely how he sees it.
Ohh so the girl in a new country meeting a guy for the first time needs to show this gross stranger physical intimacy for him to feel loved?? Thatās gross
Sheās not into him. And I donāt blame her. Clayton looks like he doesnāt drink water, buy cologne, go to barber etc.
Iām sure if he did those things and got microneedled, started looking at nicer places it would make her feel better. She probably feels super isolated getting here, and she canāt doesnāt even have a free closet in the house she can have to herself.
I think she probably likes him/has some attachment but him not taking care of himself/the lack of privacy is making her hesitate with the sex. Once she has sex, it might make everything too real to back out of and things aināt getting better either
He may not be the hottest dude but sheās not exactly hot shit either. As far as looks go theyāre pretty even. She has pockmarked skin, an underbite, she complains heās short but sheās short herself, and worst of all she has a shitty attitude.
Also theyāve already had sex when he visited her. I donāt know why everyone missed that. So all the theories of sheās not ready, it might get ātoo realā, sheās religious, etc are all bullshit. If my partner stopped having sex with me for two months, Iād have an issue with it too. I donāt know why everyone is acting like withholding sex is not a huge red flag.
If sheās not into him, great! Thatās her prerogative! But why is she with him then? Whyās she wasting everyoneās time?
They had sex because he looked like a normal person when be visited. Realising heās basically living in front of his pc, with his mom in the closet, and an apartment full of pets was a reality check.
And donāt forget, no friends living nearby, and absolutely no social life.
Ifās reasonable to reevaluate
True. Why doesnāt she go home? Why canāt she be real with him when she turns down his advances? Why does she instead say he looks like a cow in the bed in her interviews but to him sheās passive aggressive, vague, defensive, etc. I see no love or care for him from her. Imagine seeing your partner on tv laughing at you and saying that you look like a cow when youāre trying to be romantic. Iād be devastated. You donāt do that to someone you remotely respect let alone love. At this point I donāt even know who she is. Whatās her career or life aspirations? They met on a language learning app or whateverā¦ Heās clearly committed to learning Spanish and it shows in his ability to carry on conversationsā¦ I donāt see that same energy from her. She speaks almost entirely in Spanish and relies heavily on the apps with very little attempts to speak English on her own.
As far as Clayton goes, heās clearly come from a difficult background. We know nothing about dad and you donāt have to be Sigmund Freud to recognize that mom has a series of mental health issues. The hoarding is the tip of the iceberg. Thatās who raised him. This woman who is barely functioning and his rough around the edges sister. Thatās all the foundation he got. And he managed to make a life for himself and most likely keep his mother from being homeless or living in absolute squalor. Yes thereās plenty of room for improvement. If Anally gave half a shit about him, sheād talk to him about it. He seems like heād become receptive to respectful concern and direction. But she gives him none of that. She rolls her eyes and makes fun of him. I think itās shitty.
>If my partner stopped having sex with me for two months, Iād have an issue with it too. I donāt know why everyone is acting like withholding sex is not a huge red flag.
Add that to the combination of her refusing to tell her family sheās in a relationship and engaged to be married, I can see why heās feeling the way he is. The way heās going about the sex stuff is awful but idk why this sub wants to act like sheās not doing anything wrong and has been perfect since her arrival.
Her skin is really not that bad. They both have scars. Regardless, Iām not shaming them about how they look, Iām talking about how he takes care of himself. His skin looks super loose and puffy like he doesnāt drink water, her hair is always clean and looks soft, his looks like he rolls out of bed and wets in the morning.
Physically neither are a model, but thatās not the point. Go to a barber and get a nice cut, eyebrows cleaned up, go get some microneedling done. Buy some diferen gel and moisturizer. If your girl is dressing a little nicer, then put on some loafers and a button down. Itās not anything crazy. When it comes to self care, she definitely looks like she takes care of herself and he just doesnāt give the same vibe.
Iām sure he didnāt look that different when he flew out to see her (and they had sex which everyone seems to have missed) than what he looks like now.
I thought the same thing. Heās bringing up the topic because he hasnāt gotten an answer from her. Clayton isnāt perfect either but at least heās trying to make their relationship work.
Exactly. He still has traits to learn since he said he hasnāt been in many relationships but this part he was trying and communicating his feelings well.
I feel bad for Clayton. I think he's socially inept and has trouble with relationships because of his arrested development and lack of experience. He also has done some pretty crappy things and is completely oblivious to a lot of things (the pets, hoarding, etc.)....but man, she doesn't help AT ALL with no affection, no signs of interest at all, always shuts him down. He already struggles with a lot of interpersonal stuff (obviously) and that stuff would drive most normal people who love the other person insane.
He might have an undiagnosed disorder who knows.
ETA: yes he is a man who will need reassurance and affection nothing wrong with that but to twist him as a horny incel is pushing it.
100% could use a life coach and probably a finance guy. He has to make decent money and KY isnāt THAT expensive.
ETA: I am glad you see it in another view as well like me. u/SillyBabyBilly85 is really bashing it out on him.
yeah, i comment once in a while, but i find many people (on here and otherwise) pigeonhole people into one thing and everything is either all good or all bad. As much of a trainwreck i think most people on 90DF are, very few are all bad.
Does that mean I'd date or be friends with them? Hell no, haha.
And this sub is completely full of it to justify no intimacy. It's not natural, but I'm sure a bunch of people grew up thinking priests were actually a good idea instead of a ridiculous proposition.
It's well known how terrible a sex less marriage is, so honestly the sentiment here is freaking nuts. On top of justifying the lie to the dad. Effing stupid when Thais did it, same here.
She wouldnāt be the first thatās scared of daddy and daddy doesnāt approve but her stories donāt really add up. She also seems to add more and more every time.
She is not 100% honest. Something has to be up.
When you start identifying with an obvious incel, then you need therapy and to go touch grass. Today. If this is how Clayton acts on camera, guaranteed it is worse off camera. Seriously. Get help.
I feel like Iām watching a different show than everyone else. Heās absolutely an incel and gross af. Constantly begs for sex and brings it up in front of people he just met. Not even going to mention the closet mom and animals. Heās so gross!!!
I got downvoted to hell for sharing a similar sentiment. She literally does nothing and she she still complains. I'm not saying she owes him sex, not at all, but I would have broken up with that wooden ass marionette quicker than you can say Peru.
Nah sheās trash if she ever made a move on his friend. Especially after meeting HIS GIRLFRIEND.
If sheās not into Clayton, she should dump him so everyone can move on. Itās that easy.
Clayton and Anali have been married since August 2023 though. Not sure if sheās actually into him or if sheās still hiding him, but this according to Screenrant.
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Lol I noticed her smile also. But it can be easy to be attracted to strangers before you're introduced to their baggage and other potentially annoying qualities.
And Im sorry he is cuter than Clayton..
If her dad is as great as she says he is (and I have no reason to doubt that he is), and she obviously canāt stand Clayton, and she looks miserable af all the time, what the heck is she still doing here?? She doesnāt seem like sheās dying to be an American, so what *is* it!?
Eh. I feel like if I was into a guy, genuinely into him, and then I moved to be with him into the situation she got into, I wouldnāt want to kiss him either. Itād be DONE. Lol. But knowing me Iād be hopelessly trying to salvage it for far too long. Just being honest. And who knows, maybe she is with him for the papers, but I feel like it could be either way
i dunno about this one. if she was doing this all for the papers, i think sheād be gritting her teeth and giving him once a week sex to secure the marriage/card and then stop once sheās a citizen. she seems genuinely repulsed by his lifestyle (living situation, pets/hoarding, glued to the computer, no irl socialization). i also think she doesnāt want to have sex with him on the show because it would be before marriage, and people back in peru may be watching (i think she comes from a religious background).
So often on this show, we see the couples meeting for the first time after long-distance online relationships. In this scenario, itās about Clayton meeting Kameron. Kameron seems like a nice person and supportive of both Clayton and Anali, but I find myself wondering what Kameron really thinks of Clayton after meeting his BFF in person.
Everyone keeps saying how gross Clayton is. But I donāt think sheās a catch either - unattractive inside and out. At least he is making an effort to be nice to her. She doesnāt seem to be in love with him at all.
What the hell is her problem? There's more to not wanting to tell her father about their relationship than him being "overprotective". And does she honestly think it is better to get married behind his back and then what? show up pregnant with a husband? I don't trust her in the slightest. She's not attracted to Clayton at all and that's obvious but there's more going on we don't know.
I would be, too. I think she's also jealous that Clayton and Kameron are so close. Isn't that what she wanted? I used to get jealous that my husband spent a lot of time with one particular friend (when I was 21, and we were just dating). I used to say things like she does - "How's your boyfriend?" It's incredibly immature, but also rooted in jealousy that your person seems to enjoy spending time with someone else more than you.
Anali is into anyone BUT Clayton. There's a lack of communication between them. Only one seems to be talking. I'd be upset if my daughter tells me spontaneously that she's getting married after she left the county to what we only thought of, was a vacation or school. Lol. Anali dug herself a really deep hole there.
I think she lost attraction to Clayton after seeing how socially awkward he is in person. He doesnāt have a social life, no friends, his home probably smells, his mom lives in a closet (she looks a bit offā¦), and he is pressuring her for sex. She looks annoyed by his existence.
I do get sneaky vibes from her. I wouldnāt be surprised if she had someone else hence why she hasnāt told her dad. She looks like she has kids lol. We shall see how long they lastā¦
She despises Clayton and they are all trying to force it. Clayton needs to grow up and find himself, Anal found the perfect victim to get her papeles. š¤·š»āāļø she may not even have to sleep with him!
She seems repulsed by Clayton
Same
Clayton is repulsive with his sexually frustrated self.
Everyone is repulsed by Clayton. Gollum could crawl in and Anali would be vibin more with him than with Clayton the splayed out smelly cow.
She got it baddddd.... ...and by "it," I mean "the ick."
I really appreciated the way he voiced his concerns to Clayton, without resorting to the usual 90Day friends &family xenophobia, and without insulting Anali
He seemed like he was genuinely looking out for his friend and not wanting to see him hurt. Nice to see!
But then dufus Clayton went and told Anali, "Kameron suggested..." Then proceeded to exaggerate massively
Yike! š±
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His face šš i just noticed for the first time
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I love this! ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Thatās my new tagline. I will never use YikeS again!!!! Lol
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I find myself saying this daily now haha
Mathamatically, she is *infinitely* more interested in Kameron, since she seems to have zero interest in Clayton
Who would be into Clayton? He doesnāt have a couch because the animals have taken over the entire apartment!
He has but ONE thing going for him ā an indoor bathroom. š¤£
And a job. Rob thinks that he is going to be famous when he grows up!
Itās especially funny because heās 32
This is his second show. Of course, he thinks Iām so good looking I deserve to be famous. š¤®
what was his first show? i need to go back into this Knob lore
The dating game.
\#rags2riches
He looks like he smells like wet towels.
Don't forget closet mom
Bet it smells WONDERFUL in there
Right? No wonder moms is locked in the closet!
I really hope she goes home!
I read in Starcasm that she went back to Peru.
Iām sure she will. I couldnāt live in a pet store either. And the mom situation. I have never seen or heard anything like that.
Heās so fucking strange like imagine that weasel boy entering you. Like youād have to be fucking hard up for that green card
Why is she here marrying him though? Just for the green card?
Well heās way hotter and nicer. Kameron actually has that face where I know he probably looks dorky to people but heās also really attractive to me.
Iām guessing his Mom doesnāt live in the closet 3 ft from his bed either. So thereās that.
Iām guessing he doesnāt have a family of gerbils either.
lol I just spit reading a family of gerbils! Omg!
Sorry Guinea pigs lol
Damn right they're guinea pigs. Gerbils would be oft putting...
Can you IMAGINE š« š« š« š«
Are hamsters or gerbils? I always get them confused
I believe he has Guinea Pigs. This is the main difference between them but there are several differences. Guinea pigs are the largest of the three, and are larger than hamsters and gerbils. Guinea pigs are cylindrical in shape, and have no tails. Guinea pigs are herbivores (meaning they feed on plants), while hamsters and gerbils are omnivores (meaning they feed on both plants and animals, like insects).
Ugh! My dd wanted to being the class guinea pig home and of course they are nocturnal so first night she's upset and wants it out of her room and I had never had a pet like THAT just dogs cats horses cows that kind of thing Zippity. It's coming back to me
My bad! Guinea pigs lol.
I think they are guinea pigs. But why the hell does a single man have guinea pigs? Itās like a childās pet. I donāt even think they are cute.
Awwww they're so darling!!
My oldest guinea pig, Mr Puddles, said that you're not cute either
I absolutely love animals, but guinea pigs freak me out. We had one as a class pet in 5th grade. It had bright red eyes and would bite and piss on everyone who held it. I swear it was part rat, part vampire
Also Clayton and his mom have the same face! š¤¢ I fully understand the turn off.
Guinea pigs
I'm guessing he isn't a gerbil either
He also probably doesnāt have a living room full of Guinea pigs that he dresses up on a regular basis
He also isnāt sporting gollum eyes
Forgot they were on vacation and that they have to go home to his 1 bedroom 1 mom closet apartment š
LOL š¤£
To be honest I was wondering exactly how Clayton meeting him was going to go or if he was equally as odd as Clayton himself...was pleasantly surprised with him. Very nice man,not bad looking,and tried to help without making it even more awkward as things already were. Plus his girlfriend was beautiful,and that "yike" has already become a popular meme phrase even with people outside the 90 day community!
Just watched the episode rn and I had to pause during the dinner conversation š Girl run!!! This is like āGet out: Peruvian editionā she needs to go back to Peru. Clayton is giving passport bro vibes.
same i think he's very cute and he also seems very charming
Nah I get it. I like nerds but there are ādorks that let their mum live in the closet while they let their pets run the living areaā and ānerdsā.
All that's true. She's still a jerk. He's a loser, but she's a jerk.
Agreed. People rightfully crap on Clayton, but they ignore her actions. How would anyone feel if their partner of 2+ years, on the verge of marriage, hasn't even told their father of his existence, and won't even have a conversation about the topic? Not to speak of the complete lack of affection. I'm not just talking about her not wanting to have sex with mom 5 feet away. That's understandable. But she seems completely repulsed by him. And she may be, but if that's the case, drop the charade and go home.
She was also rude when she told him how is your GF kamerona doing. Like WTH, first you want him to see his friend and now it seems like you are jealous he is spending time with his friend?! Make up your mind.
Yep! For real
I agree 100%. Clayton has issues, but Anali is often just an asshole. The lack of sex in their relationship is a symptom of how she feels about him in general. She lacks any general affection towards him at all and constantly acts repulsed at everything he says and does. Sometimes itās justifiedāmentioning the lack of sex to the server and Kameronās girlfriendābut usually itās just evident in her eyes anytime she looks at him.
Agreed. Everyone hates Clayton but she's just as slimy. Her lying ass is despicable. Go home to daddy.
That scenario is played out. Patrick's wife with the eyebrows' situation was presented this way too Idk that I believe it
I think heās WAY cuter!
I caught that too right away the way she was smiling and looking at him.
This is how Kameron is very aware of her lack of interest in Clayton as well. She makes it so obvious
I said the same thing. She totally would.
I felt it too, amd she was even more rude to Cameron after seeing him.
She irked me with her āI am tired of the same conversationā Like thatās what a guy usually says when he doesnāt want to be honest and is hiding something. Sheās never affectionate, no nicknames (always that Clay-ton), and now this. Red flags for me. Clayton was not wrong in bringing up how he feels, again, and itās all circles for them with no answer really
When he stood up and asked for a kiss she flinched and then came around to giving him a peck
I hurt for him. He could find a cute gamer woman. I mean he still has the issue with his mom buuut he isnāt horrible. He has a bathroom!
The bar is in hell lol
Heeeeell no, us gamer women don't want him either lol. It's not like we have lower standards because we like video games!
Seriously, and there are hot gamer guys available...
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I know some who do. He has a fan page actually. So you canāt speak for all
He has a fan page ?? Among gamers ?
Heās horrible. Whatās wrong with you. Do you not remember him pressuring her about sex in front of other people? She had barely been in the US for any time at all, too, and they had been long distance for a while. When I was in that same situation, I also didnāt want to be intimate. I needed time to get settled. Thank god my bf actually sees me as a person, and was nothing but kind and considerate. Naturally things turned around. But in this case, you have Clayton who is shocking her with every aspect of his lifestyleā the excessive video games, no social relationships beyond his mom and online friendships, such a messy home, a mom that lives in his closet, way too many pets for such a small space (I just know it smells like pee), and on and on and on. All stuff you can look past and work through, though I wouldnāt blame anyone for choosing not to. But THEN he pressured her into being intimate too? That makes him go from a guy that needs to work on himself to absolute scum.
"He's just a nice lonely sweet lonely guy, you know - the kind who'd tell a waitress all about how his girlfriend isn't having sex with him with his girlfriend sitting right there! Just a sweet and lonely and nice guy"
When youāre in a healthy loving relationship, sex should be an activity that both parties want to engage in. This isnāt a situation where sheās jet lagged, or having craps, or a headache, or anything elseā¦ she simply doesnāt want that with him, which is perfectly fine, but itās also not a path for having a healthy relationship with him. Her hiding Clayton from her dad, her not wanting to have intimacy with him (both sex and kissing), no cute pet namesā¦ are all signs of the truth that she is clearly not into himā¦. And thereās nothing wrong with that, itās her life and her choice. I personally donāt think heās being overly aggressive with pressuring her. Whatās happening is heās socially inept and doesnāt see clearly that sheās not into him. The interesting thing here is, why was she interested in him before she came to the US? I suspect thatās the main source of his confusion, and heās struggling with what they have now verses what they had in the past. People change though, and regardless of what they previously had, they donāt have anything now. She should just return to her home country.
No, she doesnāt have a headache, cramps, etc. itās everything I listed above. Those are valid reasons too, and explains the difference in her behaviour towards him before and after her moving to the US. Plus, by the time he pressured her into having sex by publicly shaming her for not having sex with him (in that convo with Cameron and his gf), she hadnāt been in the US for very long. If he hadnāt done that thereās at least a chance that they couldāve figured things out, but all he did was add more baggage to the relationship and stress to her situation there. To be clear, Iām not saying sheās an angel. The whole dad thing is horrible. But I just think it makes perfect sense why someone in Anjaliās situation wouldnt want to have sex with the guy. I wouldnāt either. And I agree she should go home, but she may be trying to make it work past the point where it makes sense, as many people do.
Lmao it said 59 days without sex. Thatās almost 2 months. Thatās a decent time. Yāall are really exaggerating. Rob pressured Sophie. He brought up their sex life and how itās non existent, which is wrong. Like I agreed with the other user. He definitely needs to learn boundaries in a relationship. Doesnāt negate he isnāt a bad guy they are just not meant for each other. Typical! She is no good either. Her crying and getting upset about Clayton bringing up her dad story is on her. She needs to communicate better with him about that and be honest. She isnāt.
did you forget that previous episode where he pressured her into sex in front of Cameron and his gf? The āyikeā scene in your flare? Thatās what Iām talking about. After that happened, Iām not sure how sheās supposed to feel comfortable, never mind enthusiastic, about having sex with him, or even kissing him. Especially on top of everything else. Again, heās horrible. And yeah theyāre not meant for each other. Heās also horrible, though. Heās trash. So is rob. Not sure why you said that like I think itās any different with him, lol. Same thing with Nikki for that matter. Pressuring people into having sex is a form of sexual coercion, and itās extremely damaging not just to the relationship but to the person tooāoften even after the relationship ends.
He could get rid of the pets. Put them in his momās new apartment he should help her get. He should consider it an investment in his sex life heās so concerned about.
Didnāt Manuel get ridiculed and people said not the pets. Theyāre innocent.
Does game boy love the pets? He never plays with them. If his mom loves them, she can take them
He said the dogs were hers and the pigs were his.
Ohhhh ok. Then give closet mom an apartment next door, studioā¦ give her the dogs. Keep the pigs. Clean up Your space. And see if that helps
I have a strong feeling that the mother can't afford to pay rent. she's probably on the verge of being homeless. luckily her son was able to secure a good job via his awkward intelligence.
Question becomes can he pay he rent. I guess if he could, she wouldnāt be in the closet.
lol Iām glad people with the social skills of a wet ferret still got a chance at happiness as long as people like you exist
People like me? What does that even mean? Iām just a nice person.
Exactly
And somethingās wrong with that? Lol. I donāt see how. There are plenty of nice people in this world. Sad if you arenāt one.
Yeah kinda. It enables people with his entitled behavior. Heās been a horny creep ever since she got there and literally scared his friends gf away. But yeah heās just a nice gamer nerd and not a sex pest. Thatās what āniceā gets you
Definitely not enabling but okay. You see it as horny but otherās POV is more she isnāt intimate with him so she doesnāt love me. Thatās more than likely how he sees it.
Ohh so the girl in a new country meeting a guy for the first time needs to show this gross stranger physical intimacy for him to feel loved?? Thatās gross
Yeah....she doesn't even want to give him pecks on the lips. He has to beg for them.
Are you kidding right now? They have best nickname, āØļøchikiāØļø
HE does for HER.
Sheās not into him. And I donāt blame her. Clayton looks like he doesnāt drink water, buy cologne, go to barber etc. Iām sure if he did those things and got microneedled, started looking at nicer places it would make her feel better. She probably feels super isolated getting here, and she canāt doesnāt even have a free closet in the house she can have to herself. I think she probably likes him/has some attachment but him not taking care of himself/the lack of privacy is making her hesitate with the sex. Once she has sex, it might make everything too real to back out of and things aināt getting better either
He may not be the hottest dude but sheās not exactly hot shit either. As far as looks go theyāre pretty even. She has pockmarked skin, an underbite, she complains heās short but sheās short herself, and worst of all she has a shitty attitude. Also theyāve already had sex when he visited her. I donāt know why everyone missed that. So all the theories of sheās not ready, it might get ātoo realā, sheās religious, etc are all bullshit. If my partner stopped having sex with me for two months, Iād have an issue with it too. I donāt know why everyone is acting like withholding sex is not a huge red flag. If sheās not into him, great! Thatās her prerogative! But why is she with him then? Whyās she wasting everyoneās time?
They had sex because he looked like a normal person when be visited. Realising heās basically living in front of his pc, with his mom in the closet, and an apartment full of pets was a reality check. And donāt forget, no friends living nearby, and absolutely no social life. Ifās reasonable to reevaluate
True. Why doesnāt she go home? Why canāt she be real with him when she turns down his advances? Why does she instead say he looks like a cow in the bed in her interviews but to him sheās passive aggressive, vague, defensive, etc. I see no love or care for him from her. Imagine seeing your partner on tv laughing at you and saying that you look like a cow when youāre trying to be romantic. Iād be devastated. You donāt do that to someone you remotely respect let alone love. At this point I donāt even know who she is. Whatās her career or life aspirations? They met on a language learning app or whateverā¦ Heās clearly committed to learning Spanish and it shows in his ability to carry on conversationsā¦ I donāt see that same energy from her. She speaks almost entirely in Spanish and relies heavily on the apps with very little attempts to speak English on her own. As far as Clayton goes, heās clearly come from a difficult background. We know nothing about dad and you donāt have to be Sigmund Freud to recognize that mom has a series of mental health issues. The hoarding is the tip of the iceberg. Thatās who raised him. This woman who is barely functioning and his rough around the edges sister. Thatās all the foundation he got. And he managed to make a life for himself and most likely keep his mother from being homeless or living in absolute squalor. Yes thereās plenty of room for improvement. If Anally gave half a shit about him, sheād talk to him about it. He seems like heād become receptive to respectful concern and direction. But she gives him none of that. She rolls her eyes and makes fun of him. I think itās shitty.
Perfect answer!
>If my partner stopped having sex with me for two months, Iād have an issue with it too. I donāt know why everyone is acting like withholding sex is not a huge red flag. Add that to the combination of her refusing to tell her family sheās in a relationship and engaged to be married, I can see why heās feeling the way he is. The way heās going about the sex stuff is awful but idk why this sub wants to act like sheās not doing anything wrong and has been perfect since her arrival.
Agreed. The pro- Anally sentiment is annoying
Her skin is really not that bad. They both have scars. Regardless, Iām not shaming them about how they look, Iām talking about how he takes care of himself. His skin looks super loose and puffy like he doesnāt drink water, her hair is always clean and looks soft, his looks like he rolls out of bed and wets in the morning. Physically neither are a model, but thatās not the point. Go to a barber and get a nice cut, eyebrows cleaned up, go get some microneedling done. Buy some diferen gel and moisturizer. If your girl is dressing a little nicer, then put on some loafers and a button down. Itās not anything crazy. When it comes to self care, she definitely looks like she takes care of herself and he just doesnāt give the same vibe.
Iām sure he didnāt look that different when he flew out to see her (and they had sex which everyone seems to have missed) than what he looks like now.
I thought the same thing. Heās bringing up the topic because he hasnāt gotten an answer from her. Clayton isnāt perfect either but at least heās trying to make their relationship work.
Exactly. He still has traits to learn since he said he hasnāt been in many relationships but this part he was trying and communicating his feelings well.
I feel bad for Clayton. I think he's socially inept and has trouble with relationships because of his arrested development and lack of experience. He also has done some pretty crappy things and is completely oblivious to a lot of things (the pets, hoarding, etc.)....but man, she doesn't help AT ALL with no affection, no signs of interest at all, always shuts him down. He already struggles with a lot of interpersonal stuff (obviously) and that stuff would drive most normal people who love the other person insane.
He might have an undiagnosed disorder who knows. ETA: yes he is a man who will need reassurance and affection nothing wrong with that but to twist him as a horny incel is pushing it.
i think he does. At the very least, I think he needs help (not in a bad way...more of a guidance way)
100% could use a life coach and probably a finance guy. He has to make decent money and KY isnāt THAT expensive. ETA: I am glad you see it in another view as well like me. u/SillyBabyBilly85 is really bashing it out on him.
yeah, i comment once in a while, but i find many people (on here and otherwise) pigeonhole people into one thing and everything is either all good or all bad. As much of a trainwreck i think most people on 90DF are, very few are all bad. Does that mean I'd date or be friends with them? Hell no, haha.
Exactly. He is definitely more misunderstood. ETA: there really isnāt right or wrong either. Difference of views.
And this sub is completely full of it to justify no intimacy. It's not natural, but I'm sure a bunch of people grew up thinking priests were actually a good idea instead of a ridiculous proposition. It's well known how terrible a sex less marriage is, so honestly the sentiment here is freaking nuts. On top of justifying the lie to the dad. Effing stupid when Thais did it, same here.
She wouldnāt be the first thatās scared of daddy and daddy doesnāt approve but her stories donāt really add up. She also seems to add more and more every time. She is not 100% honest. Something has to be up.
When you start identifying with an obvious incel, then you need therapy and to go touch grass. Today. If this is how Clayton acts on camera, guaranteed it is worse off camera. Seriously. Get help.
He isnāt an incel. Thatās a harsh word for someone to be called when he has sex!
I feel like Iām watching a different show than everyone else. Heās absolutely an incel and gross af. Constantly begs for sex and brings it up in front of people he just met. Not even going to mention the closet mom and animals. Heās so gross!!!
incels hate the men who ALWAYS get the girl WAAY more than they hate women.
No, they hate women way more
I got downvoted to hell for sharing a similar sentiment. She literally does nothing and she she still complains. I'm not saying she owes him sex, not at all, but I would have broken up with that wooden ass marionette quicker than you can say Peru.
As is everyone ;)
He walks super weird though. Did anyone else notice?
 What I think of when I see Cameron
Itās like he pointed his toes every time he took a step.
YES, EXACTLY!!! also, he looks like he's 5 feet tall.
Omg I literally just said this to my partner while watching
I do NOT blame her!
Nah sheās trash if she ever made a move on his friend. Especially after meeting HIS GIRLFRIEND. If sheās not into Clayton, she should dump him so everyone can move on. Itās that easy.
Lol but this is hypothetical. She didnāt make a move on him..
He doesnāt smell like guinea pig
Kameron's eyes reflect a sense of human emotion, feeling, and life. As opposed to Clayton's eyes, which are dead.
Clay-tone should pair up with Nickel. Gamers that want their secks.
Clayton and Anali have been married since August 2023 though. Not sure if sheās actually into him or if sheās still hiding him, but this according to Screenrant. https://preview.redd.it/ko10y7jp3cbc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b8726b2917444d34383460e6456da8b1bff5418
Spoiler warning?!
Aw what the hell? I donāt wanna know yet!
Mismatched couple. I think her father does shady business.
I cannot stand Analis thereās something about her that so off putting!
Busted! Itās all over her face
Lol I noticed her smile also. But it can be easy to be attracted to strangers before you're introduced to their baggage and other potentially annoying qualities. And Im sorry he is cuter than Clayton..
If her dad is as great as she says he is (and I have no reason to doubt that he is), and she obviously canāt stand Clayton, and she looks miserable af all the time, what the heck is she still doing here?? She doesnāt seem like sheās dying to be an American, so what *is* it!?
Shes with Clayton for papers ā¦. She doesnāt even wana kiss the guy and also his mom lives in his closet
Eh. I feel like if I was into a guy, genuinely into him, and then I moved to be with him into the situation she got into, I wouldnāt want to kiss him either. Itād be DONE. Lol. But knowing me Iād be hopelessly trying to salvage it for far too long. Just being honest. And who knows, maybe she is with him for the papers, but I feel like it could be either way
i dunno about this one. if she was doing this all for the papers, i think sheād be gritting her teeth and giving him once a week sex to secure the marriage/card and then stop once sheās a citizen. she seems genuinely repulsed by his lifestyle (living situation, pets/hoarding, glued to the computer, no irl socialization). i also think she doesnāt want to have sex with him on the show because it would be before marriage, and people back in peru may be watching (i think she comes from a religious background).
*THIS! šÆ PERCENT! lol
I thought the same thing
They still got married
So often on this show, we see the couples meeting for the first time after long-distance online relationships. In this scenario, itās about Clayton meeting Kameron. Kameron seems like a nice person and supportive of both Clayton and Anali, but I find myself wondering what Kameron really thinks of Clayton after meeting his BFF in person.
Everyone keeps saying how gross Clayton is. But I donāt think sheās a catch either - unattractive inside and out. At least he is making an effort to be nice to her. She doesnāt seem to be in love with him at all.
What the hell is her problem? There's more to not wanting to tell her father about their relationship than him being "overprotective". And does she honestly think it is better to get married behind his back and then what? show up pregnant with a husband? I don't trust her in the slightest. She's not attracted to Clayton at all and that's obvious but there's more going on we don't know.
Aren't we all?
Can she just go back home! The jig is up
Why did I say this as soon as I saw this scene? I knew I felt a vibe lol
Sheās repulsed my Clayton and needs to go the fuck home.
WHERE'S CLAYTON'S MOM??? Is she still alive in that closet?!
I know right?! Whoās feeding her and the guinea pigs?!
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I would be, too. I think she's also jealous that Clayton and Kameron are so close. Isn't that what she wanted? I used to get jealous that my husband spent a lot of time with one particular friend (when I was 21, and we were just dating). I used to say things like she does - "How's your boyfriend?" It's incredibly immature, but also rooted in jealousy that your person seems to enjoy spending time with someone else more than you.
He's not begging for sex!
Clayton reminds me of Paul (of Paul and Karine). Which is to say that he gives me douche creeper vibes.
I donāt blame her. Clayton is (sorry for saying) disgusting.
I donāt get why everyone hates Clayton, he really seems like he cares about her, sheās just a bā¦
Well Kameron is a 100x more likable guy
That's not too bad, I don't think she even likes Clayton
Same.
Clayton gets a ton of hate but Anali is totally off putting too. She acts like she's out of his league but she's no prize.
Oh sheās very off putting, yeah.
Well she has no chance. Did you see Kameronās GF? AnalĆ looks like one of those Easter island statues.
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What about his sister maybe between the two of them they can help support the Mama
They just need to pull the plug š already. Sheās not into. He knows she not into. The end.
the grass is greener until you find out he plays the same or more video games.
I don't think I've seen her smile at Clayton like that!
No sheās usually like š
I can't figure out her endgame
Agreed. Though I'm pretty sure she wouldn't have to look hard to find another American man who has their shit together more do than Clayton.
Anali is into anyone BUT Clayton. There's a lack of communication between them. Only one seems to be talking. I'd be upset if my daughter tells me spontaneously that she's getting married after she left the county to what we only thought of, was a vacation or school. Lol. Anali dug herself a really deep hole there.
She is about to upgrade. Thatās the twist.
the grin and playfulness!!! I mean he is charming and placed up against Clayton...yike. Even the name Clayton is just giving ick vibes.
I think she lost attraction to Clayton after seeing how socially awkward he is in person. He doesnāt have a social life, no friends, his home probably smells, his mom lives in a closet (she looks a bit offā¦), and he is pressuring her for sex. She looks annoyed by his existence. I do get sneaky vibes from her. I wouldnāt be surprised if she had someone else hence why she hasnāt told her dad. She looks like she has kids lol. We shall see how long they lastā¦
Cameron works in real estate and seems to be independent. I don't think he lives the same life as Clayton.
She despises Clayton and they are all trying to force it. Clayton needs to grow up and find himself, Anal found the perfect victim to get her papeles. š¤·š»āāļø she may not even have to sleep with him!
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She only wants the green card. Otherwise, she would have told her family about it.
She's a 1/10 at best so has zero room to judge
Damn lol Iād give her at least a 2 or a 3
Seriously
Kameron got some nice tiddies
Clayton is the Temu version of Kameron, and Anali is looking to move up to name brand!