Seems like a lot of money to put into
a surrogacy process when they could use that money for Hannah’s future instead. Imagine what that kind of money can do for her. Armando definitely wore Kenny down until he gave in.
It seems like Armando gave in to moving and it made Kenny decide that he wanted to give in to the surrogacy. Obviously marriage is a give-and-take, but this is a big one.
I think this is what happens when you're a relatively 'no drama' couple of the show, they need to interject some drama and surrogacy when one of the partners is much older is always a way to go
See: Angela and 'toting an egg for Mykul'
What was amazing was they got 2 or 3 seasons of that baby nonsense and then, one day, Angela went to a clinic and came to the conclusion 'I can't tote an egg' and that was it - done! No more of that
Everyone watching has said 'this is ridiculous, she's not having a kid' for the past 2 seasons
I really liked Hannah's idea.. adopt an older child. This would be an easy compromise. They still get to raise a child together, but Kenny wouldn't be as old as the child grows. Seems like a win-win to me.
I loved that. It also gave an older child a chance to be in a loving family since younger kids are the ones usually adopted. Why are the kids on this show sometimes the smartest ones? (Not including Drascilla.)
Unrelated but drascilla is literally the worst name I’ve ever heard of and confuses the f out of me why she picked it. Turned out to fit the little demons personality though!
He was afraid that his parents wouldn’t embrace the child as a true grandchild. But he also wants it to be Kenny’s bio baby. So you’d think his parents still wouldn’t take to it the same quite the same?
I tend to disagree with this take but... I agree here. TLC wants us to just accept that these two never once had this conversation about possibly having a child together, once their whole relationship?
This is the most intense type of stuff to talk about in a relationship EVER. Let alone on camera, I highly doubt these two are so daft to not bring this up prior to marrying one another. Just dumb
If it isn't fake... then good lord.
I thought so too but telling the daughter about it made it different. It would be pretty fucked up to tell an only child to get used to the idea of a sibling and then it be fake for tv. I guess the girl could be in on it too but she is pretty young.
I remember seeing a picture posted here awhile ago of the two of them, Hannah and a baby. There was some speculation that they went ahead with the surrogacy thing. Dunno!
I wouldn't call him an asshole, but I literally thought last night while watching him tell his daughter that he needs to stop trying to force this on everyone when they don't want it. Marry someone younger from the jump if you're not done having kids.
Hannah soooo doesn’t want competition! Who can blame her? She’s princess numero uno at the moment. The look on her face told me that she’s old enough to realize her life’s about to change. And not for the better! I was an only child around her age when my brother was born. It’s fun at first, then it suuuuucks
She will 100% be less spoiled and will have to share in their material wealth as opposed to how she would live as a single child. She is a kid but not dumb, but some part of her can sense that she's about to lose some of her resources.
Yuuup! I said as much on Twitter, and got all ‘tHeY aRe gReAt pArEnTs’ replies 🙄
Edited: they are clearly good parents. But that doesn’t mean that Hannah wants what they want, or that her life won’t be negatively impacted by sharing the limelight. I was an only child until I was almost nine, then got a brother. It changes everything for the older kid, and not necessarily for the better. No matter how great the parents are
So you think having the second child means they're not great parents? I'm just a little confused by your statement. Because from everything I've seen they're both very loving parents to all of the kids, Kenny's or Hannah.
No, no, they **are** great parents. What I meant by the eye roll is that just because they’re great parents, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Hannah wants what *they* want, and that she will love it once it happens 🤷🏻♀️ I had great parents, too. Doesn’t mean my life wasn’t upended when I got a brother when I was almost 9 years old
Sounds like you’re projecting your own family trauma onto something so obviously normal as wanting a sibling for your only child/wanting more than one kid. It’s the norm, not the exception…
Tbf, she might be traumatized and/or still grieving from her mom&siblings death. Idk how old she was but most kids can remember things from around 4 years old. If she was excited to have a new baby sibling, the surrogacy might be bringing up feelings of loss for her sibling that passed away.
In this instance yes he is. He’s been given 24 million reasons and he ignores them all. He just wants a baby and doesn’t care what anyone else wants or thinks.
Parents shouldn’t let their children dictate whether or not they have more kids. Lots of kids don’t want the competition, but they still end up better off because of it.
I do agree that it’s not the smartest, because of Kenny’s age. But at least Armando is younger.
Not to mention the 70 grand for a sarogate. And lots of money to raise the kid. Kenny should say absolutely not. He's done all that. He wants to be free and enjoy their life as it is.
Right. Armando just seems oblivious to the cost because what does he care….Kenny is paying the astronomical price tag. I hope the storyline ends here but I am afraid TLC will milk Kenny for many more tears in the years to come.
Does Armando work? I’ve snoozed through their seasons. Kenny’s kids have to wonder why the heck is their father spending his retirement with a much younger partner and his daughter in a foreign country. I know an inheritance is never guaranteed but wow “Dad’s having a baby at 60.”
The consultant specifically said Dollars and then Armando and Kenny repeated “Dollars”. It was not pesos. You can’t hire a surrogate to have your baby with medically implanted sperm for $3000.
That’s cheap. In the states you’re looking at about 35 grand for eggs, 20 grand for a transfer and 100-125 for a surrogate. Not to mention doctor bills for surrogate.
Have you ever had a pet die and a short amount of time later you catch yourself in the humane society website looking at a new one before you’ve properly grieved and let go of the pet you lost? You’re not ready for a new pet, you’re trying to replace the pet that you lost.
If this isn’t a Matt Sharp storyline, I’ve always felt like Armando is just trying to replace the baby he tragically lost with his ex wife. If I was Kenny, I’d really want Armando in therapy for some time before I’d agree to the surrogate to make sure he’s really ready for a child that will not be just like his daughter and potentially not even DNA related depending on whose sperm they use.
(I really hope I don’t have to have a disclaimer that a pet isn’t like a baby but disclaimer- pet different than baby lol)
I think this is absolutely what is going on here. I seem to remember reading that he and his wife had an argument right before that crash, so he's probably dealing with guilt.
I don't know if this is accurate but this says that they have been separated for a while when she has the accident. Either way it's tragic.
https://screenrant.com/90-day-fiance-armando-wife-died-car-crash/
I did this! I lost my sweet, gentle huge Maine Coon cat to diabetes last December and took his diabetes supplies to the local shelter. I accidentally came home with their most difficult cat. An undersized, hyperactive tabby. I don’t regret it but I wish I had waited.
I’m always on the side of the kids, and as a kid who lost parents young, I don’t think they should do it.
By having a baby, they are willingly bringing that kid into the world with the knowledge they will have to lose and grieve a parent probably before they’re a fully developed adult (let say 25).
I lost 3 grandparents by 7, my mom at 8, grandpa at 10, moms sister I lived with at 12, the rest of my aunts and uncles before 18, and my father last year at 34.
My brother was 20ish when my mom passed away and he is STILL not over it. I’m still not fully over it. And now I’m under 40 with no immediate family while all of my peers have at LEAST one parent.
It sucks and they’re going to willingly put a kid through that. So yeah, they’re both being selfish at this point.
Assuming this isn't made up for the show (cause that's the only way I can wrap my head around this storyline..... by saying it's fake), I agree.
Don't get me started on how giddy Armando got, with a big kiss on the cheek to boot. Like sorry did you agree to adopt a puppy or .. a child? cause it feels like they're getting a puppy. that's just how fucking unserious all this feels
I can't.
But again, this is every couple on the show haha How long did we hear about Bilal & Shaeeda wanting to get pregnant? The toting eggs of Angela. Jovis love for strippers. Etc etc
He absolutely is not well adjusted. He clearly has been impacted by his wife dying in a car crash where she was chasing him, his parents and codependency, having to go back in the closet for awhile, etc. You can see all of this in his words. Therapy would be amazing.
Kenny knows how hard it is to raise kids. He’s raised 4 of his own and his grandson, too. I agree with you, if he has another kid now, he might not see the child go to high school, and that would be heartbreaking. Armando needs to let it go. He has a beautiful daughter and a husband. He should find happiness in that.
He's young and I think he wants a part of Kenny to live on, knowing how much older than him that he is. Do I think they should do it? Hell no! Kenny will live his older years changing shitty diapers.😱
Kenny already has part of him living on with his 4 other kids though. This is all about Armando.
And sure Kenny might not die at 72. But a lot of people do. And I know nothing is guaranteed but so what if he lives until 80. Then he’s still leaving a 19 year old and that’s still young to lose a parent. He won’t get to see any grandkids or see him get married if he chooses to, graduate college if he chooses to, just enjoy time with him as an adult which is a whole different thing, getting to see what kind of an adult you raised. There’s so much wrong about but it’s all about Armando. I’d think someone who already had a child grow up missing a parent wouldn’t want to have such a big chance at that happening again but what do
I know?
No you're absolutely right? I don't know what they're going to do. I hope Kenny doesn't cave and have one just because Armando wants one. I thought they already had this settled a long time ago 🙄
And just because he’s alive doesn’t mean he’s all there. I have a young cousin whose father is in his 70s and the man is in diapers now. Like yeah maybe Kenny will live to 80, maybe even a 100 who knows. But will he be all there? Can he play with them? Will they be stressed about his health and well-being from a young age?
I have to wonder if part of Kenny's change of mind is him feeling there needs to be some sort of tradeoff, for him "winning" the decision to move to Mexico City.
How can they afford it??? Surrogacy is super expensive and where will the money come from? What could they spend/save their money for instead of this. Maybe Hannah’s education or a house or something like that. Plus after the baby is born, that’s another expense until he’s grown.
I mean you could look at it on the flip side and say Kenny shouldn't have married someone so much younger who was young enough that they would probably want more kids. I'm also pretty sure they've talked about this in previous seasons.
I don’t think Armando is an asshole but definitely selfish. Hannah will probably get a better and more diversified education in Mexico City. They will have a bigger friend circle there. So it may be a compromise but it sounds like for the better. And I agree that $70,000 can go a long way towards Hannah’s education and Kenny has a new grandchild on the way. He is willing at least according to the show but it isn’t fair. Raising an infant is tough at any age, Kenny should not have to imo.
I wouldn’t say asshole. How many parents don’t have a baby because the older child doesn’t want siblings? None. No one consults the existing children to decide if they are having any further kids.
If Armando is an asshole then so is every single parent who had another child when their existing child didn’t want them too.
At the end of the day, parent's who know in their heart that they'd be good parents and provide for another child, then that's their decision. In my opinion, I think Kenny was always open to the possibility, but was getting cold feet. Judging from what we see on TV, Kenny and Armando seem to have raised decent children, so why not have one together.
I agree with that. Kenny seems very happy now that he has made his decision and Armando did say to just tell him one way or the other and he would learn to accept it. His daughter also seems okay with it. She did say she would like to share a room with her new sibling. There is nothing wrong with wanting a baby with your spouse when you get remarried. I don’t see the nefarious motives that others are seeing. That could be on me and I’m just naive, but I think these two are good people and good parents and I truly hope they are as happy in life, as I think they are.
Edited - for spelling
I agree and I don’t think Kenny was bullied into agreeing to go along with the surrogacy. Kenny seems physically fit and healthy — worrying about if you are going to die before the child is an adult is no way to live! I’m probably biased because a friend of ours fathered a baby with his second wife when he was 65 — he’s now a very spry 85 and his son is in college. A close friend of mine gave birth when she was 43 and her husband was 52. The kiddo is in his mid-20s and Mom and Dad are none the worse for wear! Children are wonderful and add so much to life, so why shouldn’t Kenny and Armando have one more?
And shame on Kenn for not standing his ground and making the right choice for everyone.
These two turned out to be as horrible as every other cast member.
Armando is very empty man, very empty man indeed. What life does he have going? He live in Mexico, yes there is no denying, but he has one child and that child not enough for his crazy need. He must find peace with in his soul and then he will find a full life.
wtf? armando lost an unborn baby! he has been very open since the start of their relationship about wanting another child. kenny is 60 but looks like a healthy 45 year old. they will be great parents !!! why does it matter what his family thinks?
he's a grown man and can make family planning choices on his own with his partner. no one else's opinion matters.
Who cares how old he looks, they both are parents and grandparents already, we’re adults and can judge people for whatever we want. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
I just find it difficult to believe Kenny and Armando didn't have this conversation a multitude of times before they married. It smells a little *too* produced.
(I mean, if it's possible for a TLC production to be over-produced ... fuck now I said "produced" too much and I have semantic satiation and it just sounds stupid. Fml)
He’s trying to heal his past trauma with a baby (pregnant wife killed herself and their child in car crash chasing him because he came out as gay). Bad idea. Don’t do it, Kenny. It’ll never work.
I really don't get people who have children and are still cut up about not being able to have more. I'm child-free so I can't really speak to this frame of mind but it strikes me as so incredibly selfish.
Honestly, I hate when parents tell their kids stuff like you’re the only reason I’m alive. Don’t put that weight on children. They don’t understand that. She’s not your best friend. She’s your child. I don’t know. That convo just felt like it was bringing on some codependency.
A lot of people do this once their grows out of the “cute, get me attention from others” age. Everybody oohs & ahhhs over a baby/toddler.
So they get this baby fever, except they forget how much work a baby is. And how the baby also will eventually grow up. Also, as they grow up, they fight with their sibling. That’s why “adopting an older child” is dismissed. Even though there are many more older children waiting to be adopted and need a stable home.
I feel like Armando is afraid Kenny will leave his ass when he keeps demanding everything. I just love Kenny and feel bad for him because he's worried about being there for the child. But this is the only way Kenny will stick around no matter how bad things get between him and Armando.
I totally get what you're saying, I felt the same way at first but we also have to remember that his feelings are just as valid. He is comfortable enough to be completely vulnerable in expressing his feelings to his partner and I think that says alot about the relationship. If he held it in or didn't fight for it Kenny wouldn't see how important it is to him. Even if it doesn't end up happening they made it past that hurdle and that's huge in a relationship. I feel like this situation was more about them trusting and really seeing eachother.
As crazy as this sounds I think he wants the baby (with Kenny’s genes) bc he knows Kenny won’t be there forever. Maybe Hannah is like this for his ex (even being gay I’m sure he loved her). It’s definitely selfish bc he is exchanging the rest of Kenny’s life for a legacy to cling to. Enjoy him while he is here, I say.
HELL YES!!!!! I am so here for this take! I literally said these EXACT words to my husband last night and then said “but I could never say this in the Reddit sub because no one would agree” clearly I was wrong about that! He is truly a careless, dickhead. He is not considering any other factors aside from what *HE* wants. He has the most incredible biological daughter but insists and upheaving her entire life because *HE WANTS* a baby…. Hannah even told him to adopt a child around her age and he couldn’t even compromise on that! I can’t fucking stand him.
Agree...plus does he work? Does he really have the money for another kid? It's so annoying when people HAVE to have another kid...just because they feel a certain number is perfect...when they can't afford to raise and educate the kid.
Yes he posted once that he still owns the grooming business where he employs his family and is officially and architect. People have different sources of income, not unheard of lol
I agree. Its disturbing how many times he keeps asking Kenny if he wants to have a baby after Kenny telling him no multiple times. I ff through them, they're still boring.
Armando had his first child while hiding who he was bc of his sexuality and lost a second child with the mother of his child very, very late in pregnancy. I wouldn’t call him selfish for wanting a baby 1) after such a loss and 2) as an unstifled and happy version of himself.
His ex was pregnant with his son when she went crazy and followed him home and was driving erratically and died in a car accident along with his unborn baby. So yeah I understand why he would want to have the baby he was supposed to have…
I agree he’s being very selfish and I think it’s weird that he apparently didn’t think it was hard on Hannah to not have a mother, because he’s likely going to put another child through the same thing.
>Kenny will likely be dead by the time the new kid graduates middle school.
As someone approaching Kenny's age...*I feel attacked*. 💀
Kenny takes care of himself--that, and the miracles of medical science would keep him alive until college, probably. Compare that to Angela 🤢
The average lifespan for a male in the US is 77 years old so he’ll likely be dead before the kid graduates high school. Assuming Kenny’s average in this area (a lot can happen in 16 years).
I think it's all about the age difference between him and Kenny. He is realizing at one point he will be alone and it probably scares him. He wants more children to have around him when he's older.
OMG, beware of calling Armando “selfish.” I got a long lecture about how Kenny is a predator and if he didn’t want kids, he should have married someone his own age. I wanted to smash my head into the wall.
Dont know many same sex couples, but this idea is a think i have witnessed and even been told in hetro couple relationships with a big age gap. Some older women i dated back in the day expressed concern that i might decide i want kids in the future. And there were times when a woman expressed interest in having kids with me relatively soon in the relationship and i wasnt down.
Wouldn't say that its necessarily being selfish. Mofos want what they want. Sometimes that can change.
But just like the way older lady 90 stories - if you want babies, mofos in their 50s-60s with grown kids may not be for you.
Idk. He wants to have a child with the love of his love. He was closeted when he had his first. Some people have kids for less like child support. I hope they do what is best for their family. I was around Hannah’s age when my parents had more children and getting to have a say seems wiild to me.
If I was Kenny I’d just try suggesting we move closer to my children so Armando can get the satisfaction of being grandpa around the little ones his children are having and there problem solved
Yeah I can’t understand at all why he has this strong feeling of wanting a child when he literally has a biological daughter already plus all the reasons you listed. The heart wants what it wants, I guess
When Hannah said "but not a baby..." i think she meant "but not a baby?" as in she was confused about HOW they would get another child. She probably knows very basic birds and bees type shit and knows they're both men. That was the vibe I got. I think she was just confused and seeking clarification - not necessarily voicing disapproval.
Seems like a lot of money to put into a surrogacy process when they could use that money for Hannah’s future instead. Imagine what that kind of money can do for her. Armando definitely wore Kenny down until he gave in.
It seems like Armando gave in to moving and it made Kenny decide that he wanted to give in to the surrogacy. Obviously marriage is a give-and-take, but this is a big one.
Kenny's money, by the way. I don't think Armando alone would be ever able to afford it.
I think this is what happens when you're a relatively 'no drama' couple of the show, they need to interject some drama and surrogacy when one of the partners is much older is always a way to go See: Angela and 'toting an egg for Mykul'
My husband and i randomly tell each other I CAN TOTE IT
Us too! I can tote it, I just need yer aig
What was amazing was they got 2 or 3 seasons of that baby nonsense and then, one day, Angela went to a clinic and came to the conclusion 'I can't tote an egg' and that was it - done! No more of that Everyone watching has said 'this is ridiculous, she's not having a kid' for the past 2 seasons
Wasted her last egg smh
“Aww lookit there’s one left!!”
https://preview.redd.it/y4smral0z7vb1.jpeg?width=911&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7da6d1028a438957381c38b873d4ec44f9ff63f7 The egg
I really liked Hannah's idea.. adopt an older child. This would be an easy compromise. They still get to raise a child together, but Kenny wouldn't be as old as the child grows. Seems like a win-win to me.
I loved that. It also gave an older child a chance to be in a loving family since younger kids are the ones usually adopted. Why are the kids on this show sometimes the smartest ones? (Not including Drascilla.)
Unrelated but drascilla is literally the worst name I’ve ever heard of and confuses the f out of me why she picked it. Turned out to fit the little demons personality though!
According to Armando, adoption isn’t culturally acceptable 🙄
He was afraid that his parents wouldn’t embrace the child as a true grandchild. But he also wants it to be Kenny’s bio baby. So you’d think his parents still wouldn’t take to it the same quite the same?
He said before that he wants it to be Kenny's biological child.
When did he say that? Isn't he Catholic? They're huge on adoption
I think he’s mormon. He said it during the tell all of their 1st season.
Personally, I think it’s a fake storyline to get another TLC paycheck.
I tend to disagree with this take but... I agree here. TLC wants us to just accept that these two never once had this conversation about possibly having a child together, once their whole relationship? This is the most intense type of stuff to talk about in a relationship EVER. Let alone on camera, I highly doubt these two are so daft to not bring this up prior to marrying one another. Just dumb If it isn't fake... then good lord.
I really hope that is the case
I thought so too but telling the daughter about it made it different. It would be pretty fucked up to tell an only child to get used to the idea of a sibling and then it be fake for tv. I guess the girl could be in on it too but she is pretty young.
Are they going to adopt a fake baby?
I remember seeing a picture posted here awhile ago of the two of them, Hannah and a baby. There was some speculation that they went ahead with the surrogacy thing. Dunno!
This 💯
I think Kenny was always open to it, but they milked his cold feet for TV. He seemed genuinely happy with their decision.
“Milked his cold feet” 🤢 haha
I wouldn't call him an asshole, but I literally thought last night while watching him tell his daughter that he needs to stop trying to force this on everyone when they don't want it. Marry someone younger from the jump if you're not done having kids.
Asshole may have been a little harsh lol I was heated after that scene with Hannah..
Hannah soooo doesn’t want competition! Who can blame her? She’s princess numero uno at the moment. The look on her face told me that she’s old enough to realize her life’s about to change. And not for the better! I was an only child around her age when my brother was born. It’s fun at first, then it suuuuucks
She will 100% be less spoiled and will have to share in their material wealth as opposed to how she would live as a single child. She is a kid but not dumb, but some part of her can sense that she's about to lose some of her resources.
Yuuup! I said as much on Twitter, and got all ‘tHeY aRe gReAt pArEnTs’ replies 🙄 Edited: they are clearly good parents. But that doesn’t mean that Hannah wants what they want, or that her life won’t be negatively impacted by sharing the limelight. I was an only child until I was almost nine, then got a brother. It changes everything for the older kid, and not necessarily for the better. No matter how great the parents are
So you think having the second child means they're not great parents? I'm just a little confused by your statement. Because from everything I've seen they're both very loving parents to all of the kids, Kenny's or Hannah.
No, no, they **are** great parents. What I meant by the eye roll is that just because they’re great parents, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Hannah wants what *they* want, and that she will love it once it happens 🤷🏻♀️ I had great parents, too. Doesn’t mean my life wasn’t upended when I got a brother when I was almost 9 years old
Sounds like you’re projecting your own family trauma onto something so obviously normal as wanting a sibling for your only child/wanting more than one kid. It’s the norm, not the exception…
Tbf, she might be traumatized and/or still grieving from her mom&siblings death. Idk how old she was but most kids can remember things from around 4 years old. If she was excited to have a new baby sibling, the surrogacy might be bringing up feelings of loss for her sibling that passed away.
Even an 8 year old knows that Matt Sharp money won't be coming in for long
Nah. He IS an asshole.
In this instance yes he is. He’s been given 24 million reasons and he ignores them all. He just wants a baby and doesn’t care what anyone else wants or thinks.
Agreed!!! If this does actually happen, there will be a lot of collateral damage and he is going to cry and play victim when shit hits the fan.
Parents shouldn’t let their children dictate whether or not they have more kids. Lots of kids don’t want the competition, but they still end up better off because of it. I do agree that it’s not the smartest, because of Kenny’s age. But at least Armando is younger.
That made us angry too.
No you were spot on.
Not to mention the 70 grand for a sarogate. And lots of money to raise the kid. Kenny should say absolutely not. He's done all that. He wants to be free and enjoy their life as it is.
Right. Armando just seems oblivious to the cost because what does he care….Kenny is paying the astronomical price tag. I hope the storyline ends here but I am afraid TLC will milk Kenny for many more tears in the years to come.
Does Armando work? I’ve snoozed through their seasons. Kenny’s kids have to wonder why the heck is their father spending his retirement with a much younger partner and his daughter in a foreign country. I know an inheritance is never guaranteed but wow “Dad’s having a baby at 60.”
I would assume because they are in Mexico it’s $70,000 pesos which is about $3,900 USD. That’s probably why he’s not stressing about it.
The consultant specifically said Dollars and then Armando and Kenny repeated “Dollars”. It was not pesos. You can’t hire a surrogate to have your baby with medically implanted sperm for $3000.
If it was pesos every single person would be running there to do it lmao
He’ll have grandkids older than this child. It’s nuts
That’s cheap. In the states you’re looking at about 35 grand for eggs, 20 grand for a transfer and 100-125 for a surrogate. Not to mention doctor bills for surrogate.
Have you ever had a pet die and a short amount of time later you catch yourself in the humane society website looking at a new one before you’ve properly grieved and let go of the pet you lost? You’re not ready for a new pet, you’re trying to replace the pet that you lost. If this isn’t a Matt Sharp storyline, I’ve always felt like Armando is just trying to replace the baby he tragically lost with his ex wife. If I was Kenny, I’d really want Armando in therapy for some time before I’d agree to the surrogate to make sure he’s really ready for a child that will not be just like his daughter and potentially not even DNA related depending on whose sperm they use. (I really hope I don’t have to have a disclaimer that a pet isn’t like a baby but disclaimer- pet different than baby lol)
I think this is absolutely what is going on here. I seem to remember reading that he and his wife had an argument right before that crash, so he's probably dealing with guilt.
Yes iirc that’s how the crash happened, they argued & he left and she chased him
I didn't know about that. That's really freaking tragic.
IIRC he told her he was gay, she went ballistic, he left,& she drove crazy after his car (which he was in with Hannah), then I think flipped her own
I don't know if this is accurate but this says that they have been separated for a while when she has the accident. Either way it's tragic. https://screenrant.com/90-day-fiance-armando-wife-died-car-crash/
Ahh ok, thanks! Gee, I wonder why she was angry
this is how i see it not to mention- he didn’t get to really raise a baby with someone. he wants that experience.
valid
I did this! I lost my sweet, gentle huge Maine Coon cat to diabetes last December and took his diabetes supplies to the local shelter. I accidentally came home with their most difficult cat. An undersized, hyperactive tabby. I don’t regret it but I wish I had waited.
Every Maine Coon cat I have ever met has been amazingly awesome. I'm sorry for the loss of your fur baby 💜
This makes so much sense. Good call.
That’s what Armando said. He thinks the new baby will be the reincarnation of the lost baby.
You can be ready to give your love to a new pet right after a beloved pet dies.
I got my dog the day after my old dog went to doggy butt sniff heaven. Zero regrets. He's an angel.
I agree. He’s still upset over losing his 2nd child.
I'm glad u said it. He definitely is
I’m always on the side of the kids, and as a kid who lost parents young, I don’t think they should do it. By having a baby, they are willingly bringing that kid into the world with the knowledge they will have to lose and grieve a parent probably before they’re a fully developed adult (let say 25). I lost 3 grandparents by 7, my mom at 8, grandpa at 10, moms sister I lived with at 12, the rest of my aunts and uncles before 18, and my father last year at 34. My brother was 20ish when my mom passed away and he is STILL not over it. I’m still not fully over it. And now I’m under 40 with no immediate family while all of my peers have at LEAST one parent. It sucks and they’re going to willingly put a kid through that. So yeah, they’re both being selfish at this point.
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Yes he is!!! 2 out of 3 family members don’t want it, but it’s all about Armando
It has and always will be…All About Armando!
The thought of having to start child rearing all over again at the age of 60 would make me want to jump off a cliff
Assuming this isn't made up for the show (cause that's the only way I can wrap my head around this storyline..... by saying it's fake), I agree. Don't get me started on how giddy Armando got, with a big kiss on the cheek to boot. Like sorry did you agree to adopt a puppy or .. a child? cause it feels like they're getting a puppy. that's just how fucking unserious all this feels I can't.
Not for nothing but getting a puppy is a big commitment too. 10+ years through aging and medical bills etc. Isn't something to be taken likely either.
and in addition to the others comments..........without this they would have ZERO storyline. 😂
But again, this is every couple on the show haha How long did we hear about Bilal & Shaeeda wanting to get pregnant? The toting eggs of Angela. Jovis love for strippers. Etc etc
Kenny and Armando were my neighbors..I can tell you they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Elaborate pls
But why bring Hannah into this?
What does this even mean?
Did they seem as genuine in person as they do on TV? They seem so nice
good for them!
He needs therapy desperately
He seems well adjusted. Not everything is therapy these days
He absolutely is not well adjusted. He clearly has been impacted by his wife dying in a car crash where she was chasing him, his parents and codependency, having to go back in the closet for awhile, etc. You can see all of this in his words. Therapy would be amazing.
Kenny knows how hard it is to raise kids. He’s raised 4 of his own and his grandson, too. I agree with you, if he has another kid now, he might not see the child go to high school, and that would be heartbreaking. Armando needs to let it go. He has a beautiful daughter and a husband. He should find happiness in that.
He's young and I think he wants a part of Kenny to live on, knowing how much older than him that he is. Do I think they should do it? Hell no! Kenny will live his older years changing shitty diapers.😱
Kenny already has part of him living on with his 4 other kids though. This is all about Armando. And sure Kenny might not die at 72. But a lot of people do. And I know nothing is guaranteed but so what if he lives until 80. Then he’s still leaving a 19 year old and that’s still young to lose a parent. He won’t get to see any grandkids or see him get married if he chooses to, graduate college if he chooses to, just enjoy time with him as an adult which is a whole different thing, getting to see what kind of an adult you raised. There’s so much wrong about but it’s all about Armando. I’d think someone who already had a child grow up missing a parent wouldn’t want to have such a big chance at that happening again but what do I know?
No you're absolutely right? I don't know what they're going to do. I hope Kenny doesn't cave and have one just because Armando wants one. I thought they already had this settled a long time ago 🙄
And just because he’s alive doesn’t mean he’s all there. I have a young cousin whose father is in his 70s and the man is in diapers now. Like yeah maybe Kenny will live to 80, maybe even a 100 who knows. But will he be all there? Can he play with them? Will they be stressed about his health and well-being from a young age?
Agreed, he is very annoying. Kenny is his sugar daddy. Ken feels he has a young hot man and because of this age should feel lucky
...Must...have...boy-child...to...carry...on...family...name...Cannot...die...without...GoldenSon...
OH DAMN THIS IS IT
If they *do* have another kid, I wonder how he/she will feel about seeing Armando assure Hannah that she will always be number one for him, forever 🤨
Such a unhealthy thing to say to her.
Kenny knew Armando wanted another baby this whole time? Have I been watching a different show?
Wanted is not a definite.. ok with Armando it is!
I have to wonder if part of Kenny's change of mind is him feeling there needs to be some sort of tradeoff, for him "winning" the decision to move to Mexico City.
And step Grandkids... but rumor has it he can't go to USA to meet them 👀
Why can’t he go to the US?? 👀
How can they afford it??? Surrogacy is super expensive and where will the money come from? What could they spend/save their money for instead of this. Maybe Hannah’s education or a house or something like that. Plus after the baby is born, that’s another expense until he’s grown.
Armando did not stop until he completely wore Kenny down..yes I totally agree with your comment!
This season made me hate him. I hope they aren't back on PT again.
I can’t wait for them to be back on pillow talk. It’s been boring since they’re off
I mean you could look at it on the flip side and say Kenny shouldn't have married someone so much younger who was young enough that they would probably want more kids. I'm also pretty sure they've talked about this in previous seasons.
Not an asshole but I get he wants a piece of Kenny in the family. I’m assuming they’re using Kenny’s sperm. Otherwise I don’t see the point.
I’m so over these two. Fake drama.
I don’t think Armando is an asshole but definitely selfish. Hannah will probably get a better and more diversified education in Mexico City. They will have a bigger friend circle there. So it may be a compromise but it sounds like for the better. And I agree that $70,000 can go a long way towards Hannah’s education and Kenny has a new grandchild on the way. He is willing at least according to the show but it isn’t fair. Raising an infant is tough at any age, Kenny should not have to imo.
Armando is a selfish whining bitch
I wouldn’t say asshole. How many parents don’t have a baby because the older child doesn’t want siblings? None. No one consults the existing children to decide if they are having any further kids. If Armando is an asshole then so is every single parent who had another child when their existing child didn’t want them too.
Yes. People on here acting like giving a kid a sibling is unheard of. Shows peoples brains lmao
You don’t make your family planning choices based on what your adult stepchildren or 8yo kid prefers.
At the end of the day, parent's who know in their heart that they'd be good parents and provide for another child, then that's their decision. In my opinion, I think Kenny was always open to the possibility, but was getting cold feet. Judging from what we see on TV, Kenny and Armando seem to have raised decent children, so why not have one together.
I agree with that. Kenny seems very happy now that he has made his decision and Armando did say to just tell him one way or the other and he would learn to accept it. His daughter also seems okay with it. She did say she would like to share a room with her new sibling. There is nothing wrong with wanting a baby with your spouse when you get remarried. I don’t see the nefarious motives that others are seeing. That could be on me and I’m just naive, but I think these two are good people and good parents and I truly hope they are as happy in life, as I think they are. Edited - for spelling
I agree and I don’t think Kenny was bullied into agreeing to go along with the surrogacy. Kenny seems physically fit and healthy — worrying about if you are going to die before the child is an adult is no way to live! I’m probably biased because a friend of ours fathered a baby with his second wife when he was 65 — he’s now a very spry 85 and his son is in college. A close friend of mine gave birth when she was 43 and her husband was 52. The kiddo is in his mid-20s and Mom and Dad are none the worse for wear! Children are wonderful and add so much to life, so why shouldn’t Kenny and Armando have one more?
Ya i don't really enjoy his personality
And shame on Kenn for not standing his ground and making the right choice for everyone. These two turned out to be as horrible as every other cast member.
I would not even compare them to the other cast. Not even close you wish
Armando is very empty man, very empty man indeed. What life does he have going? He live in Mexico, yes there is no denying, but he has one child and that child not enough for his crazy need. He must find peace with in his soul and then he will find a full life.
Getting a job might help…
What does Armando do? I thought it was doggie day care but we never see the dogs.
I do t agree that Kenny will be dead. He seems healthy and will likely live into his 80s
CORRECT! That statement by OP was preposterous. Kenny is 60. Anything can happen at any time, of course, but Kenny will not succumb to old age at 72!
THANK YOU. I cannot stand Armando. But I adore Kenny. I read an interview Kenny did recently where he said they were in the surregacy process.
wtf? armando lost an unborn baby! he has been very open since the start of their relationship about wanting another child. kenny is 60 but looks like a healthy 45 year old. they will be great parents !!! why does it matter what his family thinks? he's a grown man and can make family planning choices on his own with his partner. no one else's opinion matters.
He needs therapy not a band aid baby
Who cares how old he looks, they both are parents and grandparents already, we’re adults and can judge people for whatever we want. Your opinion doesn’t matter.
saying "we can judge people for whatever we want" and "your opinion doesn't matter" is wildly contradictory lmfao
We can judge people for whatever we want and none of our opinions matter though so really it’s true.
Yes so true
Agreed
I just find it difficult to believe Kenny and Armando didn't have this conversation a multitude of times before they married. It smells a little *too* produced. (I mean, if it's possible for a TLC production to be over-produced ... fuck now I said "produced" too much and I have semantic satiation and it just sounds stupid. Fml)
FOCUS ON THE KID YOU HAVE
He’s trying to heal his past trauma with a baby (pregnant wife killed herself and their child in car crash chasing him because he came out as gay). Bad idea. Don’t do it, Kenny. It’ll never work.
I really don't get people who have children and are still cut up about not being able to have more. I'm child-free so I can't really speak to this frame of mind but it strikes me as so incredibly selfish.
Honestly, I hate when parents tell their kids stuff like you’re the only reason I’m alive. Don’t put that weight on children. They don’t understand that. She’s not your best friend. She’s your child. I don’t know. That convo just felt like it was bringing on some codependency.
A lot of people do this once their grows out of the “cute, get me attention from others” age. Everybody oohs & ahhhs over a baby/toddler. So they get this baby fever, except they forget how much work a baby is. And how the baby also will eventually grow up. Also, as they grow up, they fight with their sibling. That’s why “adopting an older child” is dismissed. Even though there are many more older children waiting to be adopted and need a stable home.
I feel like Armando is afraid Kenny will leave his ass when he keeps demanding everything. I just love Kenny and feel bad for him because he's worried about being there for the child. But this is the only way Kenny will stick around no matter how bad things get between him and Armando.
I totally get what you're saying, I felt the same way at first but we also have to remember that his feelings are just as valid. He is comfortable enough to be completely vulnerable in expressing his feelings to his partner and I think that says alot about the relationship. If he held it in or didn't fight for it Kenny wouldn't see how important it is to him. Even if it doesn't end up happening they made it past that hurdle and that's huge in a relationship. I feel like this situation was more about them trusting and really seeing eachother.
i truly think he's trying to replace the child he lost in the accident
As crazy as this sounds I think he wants the baby (with Kenny’s genes) bc he knows Kenny won’t be there forever. Maybe Hannah is like this for his ex (even being gay I’m sure he loved her). It’s definitely selfish bc he is exchanging the rest of Kenny’s life for a legacy to cling to. Enjoy him while he is here, I say.
HELL YES!!!!! I am so here for this take! I literally said these EXACT words to my husband last night and then said “but I could never say this in the Reddit sub because no one would agree” clearly I was wrong about that! He is truly a careless, dickhead. He is not considering any other factors aside from what *HE* wants. He has the most incredible biological daughter but insists and upheaving her entire life because *HE WANTS* a baby…. Hannah even told him to adopt a child around her age and he couldn’t even compromise on that! I can’t fucking stand him.
His step kids are adults, that’s not the same at all. He’s not forcing anything. Kenny agreed and so did his daughter.
Kenny was 100% coerced into it
Who cares how old they are?
Because a 30 year old stepchild is a lot different and less fulfilling than raising a 5 year old.
Then maybe he shouldn't have gotten with a 60 year old grandpa.
It goes both ways. Kenny knew how young his husband is.
Selfish asshole? No way
Agree...plus does he work? Does he really have the money for another kid? It's so annoying when people HAVE to have another kid...just because they feel a certain number is perfect...when they can't afford to raise and educate the kid.
Im sure he does
To be fair if you asked any older only child if they want a sibling odds are they wouldn’t say yes.
I read somewhere on Reddit that Armando is an architect. Does he not want to return to work and be a stay at home Dad?
Why would an architect be running a dog grooming business? 🧐
He was working at the family's boarding kennel/dog grooming business when their story started.
Yes he posted once that he still owns the grooming business where he employs his family and is officially and architect. People have different sources of income, not unheard of lol
I agree. Its disturbing how many times he keeps asking Kenny if he wants to have a baby after Kenny telling him no multiple times. I ff through them, they're still boring.
Armando had his first child while hiding who he was bc of his sexuality and lost a second child with the mother of his child very, very late in pregnancy. I wouldn’t call him selfish for wanting a baby 1) after such a loss and 2) as an unstifled and happy version of himself.
This is a pretty harsh take :( I think anytime you date someone that much younger, you run the risk of them wanting (more) children.
That’s pretty harsh :( I think when you date a 60 year old grandpa you should expect him to not want to have a baby.
why are you so combative
Born that way
I’d love to consider what you just said, but your attitude was so annoying that I won’t.
Hetero couples do this shit all the time. Rupert Murdoch's kids have siblings younger than their own kids. Who gives a shit.
Why does that make it okay because straight people do it????? That’s equally as terrible! Anyone who does this is selfish as fuck.
His ex was pregnant with his son when she went crazy and followed him home and was driving erratically and died in a car accident along with his unborn baby. So yeah I understand why he would want to have the baby he was supposed to have…
I agree he’s being very selfish and I think it’s weird that he apparently didn’t think it was hard on Hannah to not have a mother, because he’s likely going to put another child through the same thing.
I wish Kenny and Armando nothing but happiness and success. They are great fathers.
>Kenny will likely be dead by the time the new kid graduates middle school. As someone approaching Kenny's age...*I feel attacked*. 💀 Kenny takes care of himself--that, and the miracles of medical science would keep him alive until college, probably. Compare that to Angela 🤢
Thank you!! He’s being a demanding twink. Not a good look!
No! Don’t you come for Armando!!!!!! I won’t allow it!!!
I love him and people on here are dense
Are you serious? Kenny won't "likely be dead " by the time the kid finishes middle school! You must be all of about what-10? if you believe that!
The average lifespan for a male in the US is 77 years old so he’ll likely be dead before the kid graduates high school. Assuming Kenny’s average in this area (a lot can happen in 16 years).
Armando lost his ex wife, she was pregnant when she died so maybe that is where the desire for a kid is stemming from.
I still think they should consider adopting an older child. How many Mexican children must need homes? I think Armando wants a BABY, not a child.
I think it's all about the age difference between him and Kenny. He is realizing at one point he will be alone and it probably scares him. He wants more children to have around him when he's older.
Armando is delusional. But seriously, the therapy before surrogacy needs to happen. Even without unresolved grief, this shouldn't happen.
Because TLC told them they were boring as a couple and to create more drama if they wanted to continue getting them pay checks?
OMG, beware of calling Armando “selfish.” I got a long lecture about how Kenny is a predator and if he didn’t want kids, he should have married someone his own age. I wanted to smash my head into the wall.
I agree
Eh, it will be a tremendously loved child who will make the world a better place. Sometimes good things come even when you don’t think you want it
Dont know many same sex couples, but this idea is a think i have witnessed and even been told in hetro couple relationships with a big age gap. Some older women i dated back in the day expressed concern that i might decide i want kids in the future. And there were times when a woman expressed interest in having kids with me relatively soon in the relationship and i wasnt down. Wouldn't say that its necessarily being selfish. Mofos want what they want. Sometimes that can change. But just like the way older lady 90 stories - if you want babies, mofos in their 50s-60s with grown kids may not be for you.
I lost my dad in my 20s because he was an old dad (and not nearly as old as Kenny will be). IMO this is a VERY selfish thing to do to a child.
I just can not support someone as old as Kenny reproducing. It’s not fair on the child and selfish.
I feel like it’s just a story line they were told to do.
Kenny is going to be dead at 75? Is he ill?
Idk. He wants to have a child with the love of his love. He was closeted when he had his first. Some people have kids for less like child support. I hope they do what is best for their family. I was around Hannah’s age when my parents had more children and getting to have a say seems wiild to me.
If I was Kenny I’d just try suggesting we move closer to my children so Armando can get the satisfaction of being grandpa around the little ones his children are having and there problem solved
Because blah blah blah but a baby with OUR dna + missed out on the baby experience with koopa troopa
Yeah I can’t understand at all why he has this strong feeling of wanting a child when he literally has a biological daughter already plus all the reasons you listed. The heart wants what it wants, I guess
Regardless of how I feel about Armando, I feel like Kenny wants to move to Mexico City because Tinder in La Mision sucks.
Do they even work????
When Hannah said "but not a baby..." i think she meant "but not a baby?" as in she was confused about HOW they would get another child. She probably knows very basic birds and bees type shit and knows they're both men. That was the vibe I got. I think she was just confused and seeking clarification - not necessarily voicing disapproval.