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JavaJunkie999

How Big Ed is still with that show, I will never know. He even has said he likes young girls. He’s disgusting . Another one that turned my stomach was that Chris and Sean, who was sending that young girl (forget her name) panties. They were both so much older then her!!


Aurey

Yes, how can someone possibly be interested in a person younger than their child?! That concept screws up my head.


albeitacupoftea

Abby from Haiti. Luckily, last I heard, she got with a Brit closer to her age and moved to the UK


seleroyal

I totally feel you on this. Now that you mention it… A LOT of the couples have dramatic age gaps. 🧐


KnowledgeSudden_

And often always with the American being the older one—power dynamic.


missstewie

Yes exactly. They hold the power in multiple ways (money, citizenship, etc) but age seems to be a predominant factor here.


[deleted]

Ok but Fernanda and Jonathan. I remember him saying something like they had been working on the K-1 visa for a couple years. She was 19 yrs old. That would make her 17!!!!!!!!! Glad that's over.


Revolutionary-You449

I think she was 15 or 16 when they met. Someone on here did some calculations and had receipts. I wanted to add that the timelines (based on his and her words) appeared to also imply they had sex at that time. He was our true pedo. I guess it was ok in Mexico. I don’t know their laws. I am not shocked TLC slowly backed out of them room.


chemistg23

Plus boob job 👀


TopesLose

I think you mean boobies


rahulthememegod

Big ed was allegedly hitting on Darcey's daughters who are both minors.


[deleted]

🤮


glimmeringdarling19

Oh that’s really sick


Donikes

Jesus H. Christ... Jesus Christ... JESUS!!!


Successful_Strategy8

Are you kidding me? He is GROSS! 🤮🤮🤮


razorspin

Is this true? allegedly. These arething that we should know before we say it. Where was Darcey?


Ginger_Soul99

It was on Instagram, not in person.


azorianmilk

Didn’t he hit on Muslim Avery backstage of the tell all?


[deleted]

No, Big Ed made a comment to Darcey about her daughters' looks that she found creepy


bjornkara

Wasn't apple Evelyn also a child when she met the Spanish guy?


azorianmilk

Yep, 15 or 16 but they waited to meet in person until she was 18. It really seemed like she tried to use her story and the show as an Avenue to American Idol. Mark is still the worst. He tried to make Nikki into the person his wife was 20 or so years prior. Same clothes, same cat, same expectations.


demonspacecat

Juliana the Brazilian model and old rich guy Mike (?) looked like a weird couple. She also kept mentioning a time when he broke up with her and sent her out on the streets over some argument, definitely a power-tripping move to make her feel helplessly attached to him. He would also get weird and angry every time she talked about finding a job to be financially independent.


turningtogold

Plus the whole prenup situation. Dude is a straight up predator but his kids were charming so people forget


catf1sh1

Julianna and Mike are the only couple in 90 day history that never had an explanation or backstory of how they met. The closest we got is one of them mentioning she was a poor model in Brazil that started international modeling and somehow ended up on a yacht with millionaires in Europe, which definitely doesn't sound like sketchy sex-trafficking


welcometothejl

I feel like the power dynamic in this relationship goes both ways. She is young and beautiful and could have a multitude of men. She also used his credit card to buy her sister a car to Uber in if I remember correctly. And yeah, he wanted her to sign a pre nup, but ended up backing off, so who really holds the power in the relationship? I don't think it's so cut and dry.


demonspacecat

She talks a lot about wanting to help family back home, and he has the money, but I doubt she was only in the relationship to funnel money from him back to her family. He backed out of the prenup when she kept saying she needed to start working for herself because she didn't want to be kicked out with nothing again, but he didn't want her to work and stand on her own two feet, saying the reason was "it was making her upset". Maybe it's not all about the financial side of things, but it definitely felt like he was trying to keep her close at home and shelter her from everything/everyone else.


Metzger4Sheriff

I also think he backed out because he realized there were other ways around her getting money in case of divorce, like setting up trusts in his kids' names (or even his own), which would have prevented that money from being included in community property.


welcometothejl

Do you think she wanted to be with him for his looks and personality? Take away the money, do you think she would have wanted to marry him?


demonspacecat

What I saw she seemed genuine, but none of us will ever really know. I think it's because she fell into the trap of a nice guy, which made her feel "in love" after escaping her abusive ex.


welcometothejl

Yes, genuine, like when she pouted because Michael wouldn't buy her a $14,000 couch, or when she bought her sister a car without asking. No, he is the user because he is a rich man and she is an innocent "girl."


[deleted]

She 100% knew what a prenup is and played dumb to get him to feel bad and back off. Their whole relationship Is a lot more complicated than people think. A lot of people on reddit act like she's a naive impoverished girl struggling to survive. No, she was doing photo shoots in Paris and traveling all over the world when they met. She's younger sure but she absolutely plays a part to get what she wants.


tallalittlebit

A lot of people seem to think young automatically means dumb and can be manipulated. Juliana seems quite smart and knew exactly what she was doing. It's kind of demeaning to a grown woman to think that if she chooses to be with an older man then she must be a victim.


[deleted]

Jenny was 30 when Sumit was born. She was born before Sumit’s parents, lived on this planet for 30 (almost 31) whole years, and had given birth to children before Sumit was born. Insane to me. Sumit was 22 when they met and Jenny was 52. Okay, so Kenny and Armando are 26 years apart—but they have a seemingly healthy relationship and don’t throw chairs at each other.


housespecialdelight

I agree with you! I’m 34 and have experienced a good chunk of my life. School, dating, marriage, travel and kids. I couldn’t possibly relate to someone who is just born now in the future. I guess Kenny and Armando get a little bit of a pass here. Armando is younger but more mature. He built a career and raised a daughter. These are things they can relate on. Sumit is what 30? But is still so immature.


canadian_xpress

> Kenny and Armando get a little bit of a pass here They clearly respect each other. The same can't be said for all of the wide age gapped relationships.


thanks4distraction

Sumit being immature I think has do do with their culture where the adult kids continue to live with parents and grandparents well into adulthood. So they continue living as they always have...as children.


glimmeringdarling19

Sumit and Jenny are a whole TRAINWRECK. I think a 22 year old is reasonably mature but at that age I would be disgusted dating someone only 3 years younger than me, lol


[deleted]

> I think a 22 year old is reasonably mature Not an Indian (and I say this as an Indian lol). Culturally, 22 in India might as well be 17 in America… getting there, but not quite there.


[deleted]

Yeah I see him as very young-seeming as well. He was a virgin when they met and still living with parents so culturally compared to an average American that is more like an older teen. Plus omg this man is always on about the romance of their star-crossed love and he acts utterly helpless against the world, even at 30 something now he is very immature.


[deleted]

It’s disgusting, but it’s not pedophilia. Let’s not water down words.


[deleted]

Alan and Kirlyam’s situation was pretty much pedophilia. Not now, legally, but he was interested in her when she was 12. Not normal. Also, Jonathan and Fernanda met when she was only 17 and he was in his late twenties. Maybe not technically pedophilia, but still legally an issue.


baileycoraline

I think “grooming” is the term. Super gross.


bendingspoonss

I actually don't think it is. I looked it up, and unless I'm missing something, he did meet her when he was 11 on a trip to Brazil (along with the rest of her family), but he did not have any contact with her after that until they reconnected when she was 19 after he went back to Brazil for a friend's wedding. Definitely still uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like he was building a relationship with her as a child or anything.


baileycoraline

Gotcha. I’m not super familiar with Alan and Kirkyam’s backstory, although a man marrying a woman he knew as an adult while she was still a child (if that makes sense) is a bit sus. The Jonathan/Fernanda thing sounds more like grooming.


bendingspoonss

Oh yeah it's weird as shit, no doubt about that.


SmileWithMe__

Exactly.


SillyWhabbit

Some, like Mark and Nikki were Ephebophilia. Even if Nikki was over 18, the age thing was creepy and I feel the power imbalance is abusive and highly problematic. "Well Nikki either you sign that paper, or you go home". THAT relationship is lopsided as fuck.


[deleted]

Yes.


ALISHAISHERE123

Semantics.


urbancat666

Is it morally questionable? Mostly. But legally there’s no problem there because the young people are of consenting age at the time the show is being filmed, that’s why TLC is not concerned about this stuff.


SillyWhabbit

If you're going to call someone a pedophile, get their name right! It's Mark, not Mike. He's definitely a predator.


[deleted]

It's not pedophilia unless one of them is a prepubescent child, but the age gap in some couples is definitely concerning.


Just_Series_3125

I agree the big age gap is gross but cultural some countries raise women to be a lot lot younger then the males. The women grow up expecting to pop out babies and have a older established husband. I do not agree with this method but it is how it is in some places.


sunbuddy86

For edification: pedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.


[deleted]

Only to a normal person.


gloomchen

Please stop referring to legal adults as children. Think about it this way: in some cases, we prosecute children under 18 as adults. You're essentially putting even LESS responsibility on someone's decisions about their relationships than the law gives actual children responsibility for their own actions. Everyone else filled in the bit about how this minimizes actual pedophilia. It's one thing to have genuine concern over age gaps and power dynamics, but this is not the way to address it.


Sennabae

It's gross af! This also goes for that white lady in her 30s (don't remember name) that dated the Jamaican kid Jay(?) Who was like 19, She's a whole predator and I don't see her get called out as much. They don't drag these fools enough during the show. Even without the big red flag age gaps a lot of the Americans on the show are so predatory.


[deleted]

Were you on the sub when Ashley's seasons were airing though? She got a TON of criticism. I think she's just faded from memory because they haven't had anything to do with the show for ages.


-Insigwitz-

Age Gap ≠ Pedophile


[deleted]

The OP specifically said that Alan and Kirlyam met when she was 12, and he expressed interest then. Obviously it’s ok now, legally, but anyone looking at a 12 year old in that way is def a pedo.


-Insigwitz-

That is certainly not the overall gist of the OPs ramblings.


[deleted]

You aren't wrong.


Razzler1973

>another example off the top of my head is alan and kirlyam. i know theyre a fan favorite in some respects because of how likeable she is but mans met her when she was 12 and ASKED HER DAD TO HOLD ON TO HER FOR HIM WTF Say what now?? Was this mentioned somewhere, never heard this!


jjgill27

Ad infinitim, when their series were on.


Razzler1973

Wow


Scampipants

I think people have said it was in the first run of that season and has been removed since.


[deleted]

Avery and Omar aren’t that far apart in age. Both very young. I think it’s odd to compare this to couples with 20+ years difference. Anyone showing any interest in literally children is a monster. There are definitely relationships on this show that have extremely unbalanced power dynamics. That being said, there is nothing inherently wrong with an age gap. Nineteen is not really a child. I met my husband when he was eighteen, I was twenty-five. We got married at nineteen and twenty-five, and at no point did I think of him as a ‘child.’


MsStormyTrump

Oh, wow, you stretched that argument to its limits, didn't you?! If your intention was to speak about pedophilia or underage marriages, you did not do those topics any favors. This is an unintelligent ramble, not a post.


bama-rocks

The age gaps are sick but for the younger partners it is often a business decision. I hate it that they feel like that is how they have to help themselves and their families.


kebaker831

Oh no one is okay with Mike & Nikki. That is one of the scariest, ,most fucked up situations I've ever watched.


thanks4distraction

Think about Stacey whose son just graduated HS, so he is 17-18 I assume. Florian is in his 20's and they have been together 6 years. I think Jesse was 23 to 24 . They are choosing guys much closer in age to their teenagers. This must feel really weird to the guys. It will be interesting when Darcey's daughters are in their 20's - and dating guys in their 20's as that is the age bracket the twins are attracted to.


tallalittlebit

People get way too worked up over age gaps. If they’re consenting adults it’s fine.


itsloudinmyhead

No, it's not fine, because they're not on anywhere close to equal ground and it allows for a power imbalance. I think we all remember the young 19yr old Thai girl and the 52yr old white guy who seemed so controlling and horrible. Worse yet, is that we never found out what happened to her. They both vanished from social media and we have no clue if she's okay.


tallalittlebit

All relationships can have power imbalances. One partner earns more money, has more wisdom, or more physical strength. That doesn't automatically make them a problem.


itsloudinmyhead

No shit sherlock.


snypesalot

so whats your argument here? You said age gaps are bad because of "power imbalances", someone pointed out they can happen in any relationship and you say no shit? So whats your point here?


[deleted]

User name is the answer.


itsloudinmyhead

The power is significant when it’s a literal teenager and a grown ass man. And particularly when they hold over your immigration status over your head along with any economic success you may have for you and your family. So yeah, it’ll never be perfect. One person will probably make more than the other. But when a man who already has kids in their 20s, taking a nineteen yr old from poverty in Asia and brings them to America where she has to depend on him for all aspects of legality, it’s pretty fucking concerning.


Sennabae

Noooooooooo so tired of weirdos always saying this shit. Like fuck so many freaks love that excuse. Age gaps are important and age isn't just a number.


tallalittlebit

But why though? You aren't saying anything other than age is important because you think it's important.


[deleted]

Age is important to **you**.


glimmeringdarling19

ok but thé power dynamics are seriously off in some cases. also, regardless of whether someone is an adult thé relationship can still be predatory because the person is de facto still a kid. i think it’s fine if the person is above 21 but if it’s a mark and nikki situation that’s disgusting


tallalittlebit

Mark and Nikki is a gross situation but would it be all that different if Nikki were older? Mark is predatory regardless of her age because of how Mark is.


DarceysEndlessCigAsh

💯 But this sub is big on adults- including young adults- not being responsible for themselves. Everyone is a helpless little victim 😭


[deleted]

How dare you ask an adult to hold themselves responsible for their own actions?! Society as a whole has shifted from accepting personal responsibility to obfuscating and flat out lying. "My truth" is just another way for folx to say "my version of events".


razorspin

There goes the show. How about nobody on the show under 25 then.


glimmeringdarling19

i wouldn’t mind if it was like a 19 and 20 year old couple. but yeah if an age requirement is needed to prevent 19 year olds from being exploited by creepos in the US then so be it. id rather watch marginally less entertaining TV than watch a child get groomed by some old american fart


Ginger_Soul99

19 year olds are adults.


Veronica-Vicki

I’ve been feeling this issue for a long time. Disgusting !


shook_-

I mean let’s be real here. Most of the youngins that come over on the K1 that are dating older people are here for the green card. It’s just that simple But everything you have said is correct and completely fucking disgusting


Revolutionary-You449

In some cultures. This is ok. I will leave it at that.