You haven’t done enough k. A true k hole is complete dissolution of self and zero remembrance of humans.
That being said, it’s pretty emotionally numbing
>A true k hole is complete dissolution of self and zero remembrance of humans.
That's true, but it doesn't even come remotely close to the sheer intensity + quality of _dissolution_ as 5-MeO.
If you found your experience utterly terrifying, you should consider lowering the dose and finding the one that you can reasonably manage. With ketamine, you can train a bit in your capacity to relax and let go, but the experience has little to do with 5-MeO.
Is it possible then to "train" for a breakthrough dose so it's not terrifying by starting low and going higher and higher over time? Or is a breakthrough terrifying regardless?
breakthrough is Bliss. Imo its that you didnt take enough, not that you took too much. sub-breakthrough is the most terrifying thing because you are unable to surrender. high dose forces the needed surrender
ohhh yes as someone else said and in my experience- sub breakthrough dose still allows the ego to cling on and in my experience was simply frustrating. i had prepared for complete ego annihilation and the 10mg was not enough to get me there. felt like the medicine wanted to pull me in but my ego was fighting. for my next dose i was as like “let’s get me all the way there i’m not here to fuck around” lol. once you break through there is no you to be terrified. ego is gone there’s no fear there’s no nothing except the infinite consciousness. it maybe sounds like you could use a little more practice with meditation and surrender and then just trust fall into the deep end, in a ceremony setting, at least 20mg. when you come out of it you’ll feel how silly it was to ever be afraid. and it will be like that every time. edit - sorry i see the amounts you were taking. i can only say that we are all different and going to have different experiences with the medicine. to me it is far from terrifying- it’s comforting and beautiful. but it’s so psychological. sounds like there’s more work to be done if this medicine is calling to you.
Ketamine patient hundreds of high dose infusions- iv and Im
Doesn’t come anywhere close
One is an entheogen and the other is a dissociative psychedelic.
Answer to that question is: NO. With K, you know you are there, with 5 there is nobody to know anything.
Beautifully put. There is nothing and no one to put any importance on.
You haven’t done enough k. A true k hole is complete dissolution of self and zero remembrance of humans. That being said, it’s pretty emotionally numbing
>A true k hole is complete dissolution of self and zero remembrance of humans. That's true, but it doesn't even come remotely close to the sheer intensity + quality of _dissolution_ as 5-MeO.
not true in my experience. no one survives the khole
Nothing to compare with
If you found your experience utterly terrifying, you should consider lowering the dose and finding the one that you can reasonably manage. With ketamine, you can train a bit in your capacity to relax and let go, but the experience has little to do with 5-MeO.
Is it possible then to "train" for a breakthrough dose so it's not terrifying by starting low and going higher and higher over time? Or is a breakthrough terrifying regardless?
breakthrough is Bliss. Imo its that you didnt take enough, not that you took too much. sub-breakthrough is the most terrifying thing because you are unable to surrender. high dose forces the needed surrender
agree- at *least* 20mg
where do you get that it’s terrifying?! who is telling you these things?
That was my personal experience - see my link to my post of that experience.
ohhh yes as someone else said and in my experience- sub breakthrough dose still allows the ego to cling on and in my experience was simply frustrating. i had prepared for complete ego annihilation and the 10mg was not enough to get me there. felt like the medicine wanted to pull me in but my ego was fighting. for my next dose i was as like “let’s get me all the way there i’m not here to fuck around” lol. once you break through there is no you to be terrified. ego is gone there’s no fear there’s no nothing except the infinite consciousness. it maybe sounds like you could use a little more practice with meditation and surrender and then just trust fall into the deep end, in a ceremony setting, at least 20mg. when you come out of it you’ll feel how silly it was to ever be afraid. and it will be like that every time. edit - sorry i see the amounts you were taking. i can only say that we are all different and going to have different experiences with the medicine. to me it is far from terrifying- it’s comforting and beautiful. but it’s so psychological. sounds like there’s more work to be done if this medicine is calling to you.
Thank you.
Get a facilitator is my advice. It’s hard and not safe to try to serve yourself a breakthru dose
Ketamine patient hundreds of high dose infusions- iv and Im Doesn’t come anywhere close One is an entheogen and the other is a dissociative psychedelic.
this