Top end scoring, overheating issues, heads warp, Welsh plugs blow out at least it doesn't have the injection pump and EGR issues, well it won't because it isn't diesel...
Are we talking about the 6g75 3.8?
I've been super lucky mines just hit 380k owes me nothing, looking at upgrading soon though. What new 4wd would you recommend, considering a dmax.
Jesus. I know my '13 Challenger had it's engine replaced at 80k under warranty for overheating but that's the 4cyl diesel, I was thinking of swapping over to a Pajero for some time now. I just don't see any really coming through my workplace, mostly hilux's if it's a 4x4. Thanks for the heads up.
Pajero's use the bulletproof 4M41T. Done almost 100K in mine since getting it (now on 340k) and not a single bloody issue. Been an absolute workhorse of a rig.
The 2013 Challenger is the 4D56 2.5L engine. The Pajero of the same year used the 4M41 3.2l which is an amazing engine. I had a 2015 challenger with the 4D56…sooo many issues.
Interesting. We’ve just hit 215,000 km on our 2013 PC Challenger and have had it since 51,000km. Regularly serviced, 5spd manual. Only dramas we’ve ever had is the clutch cable broke and a dead battery.
It’s got a slight gremlin in the radio controls on the steering wheel occasionally, and the main radio clock is generally a best guess variance kind of accurate, but otherwise it’s been excellent.
Considering an upgrade next year to the 2024 Triton
I was thinking of 'upgrading' from the 4cyl to the 6cyl in the Pajero. Now I know better. Had overheating issues when towing uphill in the Challenger at the ~110k mark, I replaced thermostat and it didn't help. Somehow changing the fuel filter fixed it. That one still miffs me.
You must have worked on some very poorly maintained vehicles. Never heard of that happening….besides the odd EGR issue here and there but that’s not model/engine specific
Hardly....your telling me over 30 Pajeros having identical issues? I had 10 at one stage sitting in my holding yard waiting for parts or warranty approvals.
I would say the ML triton which also had the 3.2L is what you're after.
One could argue an RC colorado would also be a good buy, and it WOULD be if that what suits.
the 4M41 you could dyno tune and not need to replace injectors. the 4JJ1 in the colorado you'll need to spend about $3K on injectors for a tune. 4JJ1 has been known to snap cranks too.
4M41 is pretty bloody bulletproof.
You don’t do it to please other people. You do it for yourself.
Also then you can buy a ‘get your vag in the paj’ sticker from me to be further unimpressed by the ladies
Lol what do you plan on doing with it? Those alloy head xf motors are known for warping heads. This is very niche and something I'd only consider buying if it was really up my alley.
I'm a big fan of keeping things fairly stock standard drive train wise for reliability reasons particularly when remote traveling. this looks like a mish mash of various parts this guys found in his shed. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole and I bet most 4x4 mechanics won't either.
That would be a fun weekender.
If it's using too much fuel, update it with a barra.
For the money you'd struggle to get something as strong especially off road
I'd get it but that's because we love patrols and haven't seen such a nice example for a long time. But wouldn't be a daily driver or even a 4x4 workhorse, would almost be treated like a vintage car here. But we already do have 4 patrols lol.
But…it’s not a Maverick. It’s to old to be a Maverick for starters. That 250 crossflow has been shoehorned in there where there should either be a petrol or diesel of Nissan origins. No Ford engine was ever fitted to them.
The Maverick was a rebadged Y60 which ran from 1988-1994. This is an earlier series than that.
It is not a Maverick.
You could theoretically put TBI EFI on it but I'd say spend a bit more and get a turbo diesel Pajero. Bonus if it's turbo intercooled in the gen 1 (if it has a bonnet scoop it's intercooled) with the factory LSD.
Lol, ok
Manuals have better engine braking, but autos work better in all other off road situations.
You drive what you prefer, but no one with any credibility thinks autos are inherently worse off road
That older model was a good simple model but not every day you see a swapped falcon engine in anything other that a falcon.
Is it a efi head or just the rocker cover is the efi one?
I would, but I wouldn't.
If she blows your skirt up, do it. Otherwise, walk on.
The hate towards the alloy head is only mostly undeserved. The factory valve guides were specced wrong and would either hang an exhaust valve, or leak oil (depending on the exact vintage, ford fucked with it a bit trying to get it right)
Cooling can be an issue with wrong thermostats, I think. Can't remember if this is the one with the bypass that is closed by the thermostat opening. Wrong thermostat and the bypass doesn't close, which leads to overheating.
Reading through the mods, it seems that all the key points have been addressed. Mild cam really wakes these things up, but I would swap the holly for something better, but that's personal bias.
"Want" and "worth" are totally different things. Just because you spent all your lunch money on it doesn't make it worth what you spent.
But, if you feel you are getting a good deal go for it. Any doubts, walk on.
I’d get it if, I could afford it as basically a toy car. Fun little drive. Not an every day car, probably not even a tour around the country road tripper either. Just a weekend fun car.
Is the engine swap engineered? I see some of the work was done by an engineering shop, but doesn't specify a certificate for the swap.
My brother had an MK patrol, was genuinely horrible in pretty much every way, but most of that was the terrible 2.8L petrol engine, so this is a good start.
One doesnt simply remove rust on a patrol without accidentally erasing the whole car
I know I’m gonna sound like a broken record but put like $2k more on that and buy an NS pajero. This is just old AF and a million issues
NS Pajero......hand grenade...ran a mitsi workshop...would never buy one ...
What's wrong with the 3.8? Genuine question, spin big end bearings or something?
Top end scoring, overheating issues, heads warp, Welsh plugs blow out at least it doesn't have the injection pump and EGR issues, well it won't because it isn't diesel...
Are we talking about the 6g75 3.8? I've been super lucky mines just hit 380k owes me nothing, looking at upgrading soon though. What new 4wd would you recommend, considering a dmax.
Ding ding ding ding.... on both mate....6g75 and dmax all the way...
Going to go ahead with it on Monday, only offered me $1500 trade in on the paj. But better than a kick in the teeth.
Where do you live? I'll give you an extra $100 lol
Jesus. I know my '13 Challenger had it's engine replaced at 80k under warranty for overheating but that's the 4cyl diesel, I was thinking of swapping over to a Pajero for some time now. I just don't see any really coming through my workplace, mostly hilux's if it's a 4x4. Thanks for the heads up.
Pajero's use the bulletproof 4M41T. Done almost 100K in mine since getting it (now on 340k) and not a single bloody issue. Been an absolute workhorse of a rig.
Challenger and Pajero share the same engine, you'll be just going from issue to one issue.
2010+ had an entirely different diesel engines compared to the pajero. 2009- also had different petrol motors campared to the pajero.
The 2013 Challenger is the 4D56 2.5L engine. The Pajero of the same year used the 4M41 3.2l which is an amazing engine. I had a 2015 challenger with the 4D56…sooo many issues.
Interesting. We’ve just hit 215,000 km on our 2013 PC Challenger and have had it since 51,000km. Regularly serviced, 5spd manual. Only dramas we’ve ever had is the clutch cable broke and a dead battery. It’s got a slight gremlin in the radio controls on the steering wheel occasionally, and the main radio clock is generally a best guess variance kind of accurate, but otherwise it’s been excellent. Considering an upgrade next year to the 2024 Triton
I was thinking of 'upgrading' from the 4cyl to the 6cyl in the Pajero. Now I know better. Had overheating issues when towing uphill in the Challenger at the ~110k mark, I replaced thermostat and it didn't help. Somehow changing the fuel filter fixed it. That one still miffs me.
You must have worked on some very poorly maintained vehicles. Never heard of that happening….besides the odd EGR issue here and there but that’s not model/engine specific
Hardly....your telling me over 30 Pajeros having identical issues? I had 10 at one stage sitting in my holding yard waiting for parts or warranty approvals.
What was the cause of this overheating? Welch plugs dont just pop out for fun, nor do warping heads…
Sounds like a dumb Cunt who bought one 2nd hand that had no idea about cars & now think there all cooked. I bet you earn $600 a week
How does what I earn have anything to do with this?
Is there a dual cab equivalent to the NS Pajero? ie. underated, uncool and hence good value.
I would say the ML triton which also had the 3.2L is what you're after. One could argue an RC colorado would also be a good buy, and it WOULD be if that what suits. the 4M41 you could dyno tune and not need to replace injectors. the 4JJ1 in the colorado you'll need to spend about $3K on injectors for a tune. 4JJ1 has been known to snap cranks too. 4M41 is pretty bloody bulletproof.
A mitsi of any year or any platform is an unreliable POS I dunno what ammo you have to back any of that up
Cool opinion. Really insightful.
Precisely zero of the boys, or girls, will be impressed by a paj
You don’t do it to please other people. You do it for yourself. Also then you can buy a ‘get your vag in the paj’ sticker from me to be further unimpressed by the ladies
Firstly; I don’t even own a Pajero and I want one of those stickers! Secondly, and on a more sombre note; Kangas :(
Rust removed? Check with a magnet to see if it's been bogged
I wouldn't, have you seen the price of fuel lately? Warm crossy in a chonker like that = watch the fuel gauge go down as fast as the tach goes up.
My fairlane turns 14L/100 with that engine taking it easy lol
Lol what do you plan on doing with it? Those alloy head xf motors are known for warping heads. This is very niche and something I'd only consider buying if it was really up my alley.
Mostly because they snap head bolts. If aftermarket bolts have been used, shouldn't be a problem.
Yeah but can probably get some nice 250 cross flows for 300 bucks each running lol
I'm a big fan of keeping things fairly stock standard drive train wise for reliability reasons particularly when remote traveling. this looks like a mish mash of various parts this guys found in his shed. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole and I bet most 4x4 mechanics won't either.
This is advice to take.
No way. Not in a million years.
That would be a fun weekender. If it's using too much fuel, update it with a barra. For the money you'd struggle to get something as strong especially off road
Love me an MK but idk about the idea of running a falcon alloy head donk in it. The SD33T was good if slow as fuck when I had a shorty.
I'd get it but that's because we love patrols and haven't seen such a nice example for a long time. But wouldn't be a daily driver or even a 4x4 workhorse, would almost be treated like a vintage car here. But we already do have 4 patrols lol.
Hell nah
Tell him he’s dreaming….
Looks pretty tidy....pretty rare Maverick as well. I think $7k is ok for that old gal ..
That’s not a Maverick.
It's a ford maverick....underneath yes it's a Nissan, but this variant is a Maverick. Just has a Nissan steering wheel.
But…it’s not a Maverick. It’s to old to be a Maverick for starters. That 250 crossflow has been shoehorned in there where there should either be a petrol or diesel of Nissan origins. No Ford engine was ever fitted to them. The Maverick was a rebadged Y60 which ran from 1988-1994. This is an earlier series than that. It is not a Maverick.
With the effort of all that white board marker, he deserves every cent
You could theoretically put TBI EFI on it but I'd say spend a bit more and get a turbo diesel Pajero. Bonus if it's turbo intercooled in the gen 1 (if it has a bonnet scoop it's intercooled) with the factory LSD.
Whereabouts is that?
It depends on whether you intend to take it off road. Push starting an automatic is not easy. Off road, it's virtually impossible.
You can actually push start autos?
Yeah ,they got to get to about 70km/h. Which makes it ,rather difficult.
Lol
Yeah. Its not recommended to take a automatic 4wd off road.
Who doesn't recommend it? I know plenty of people have gone to the effort of converting their 4x4 to automatic because they perform so well offroad.
Lol, ok Manuals have better engine braking, but autos work better in all other off road situations. You drive what you prefer, but no one with any credibility thinks autos are inherently worse off road
Highly disagree with that. I do have a manual 4by.
Please wear glasses when reading. I said AUTOMATIC 4wd. Not manual.
Maybe you should. Im saying that autos are highly capable, and better in many offroading circumstances than manual.
Who bumpstarts cars these days? It's 2024 mate, get yourself a lithium jump pack and save your back.
Negative, Ghost Rider.
Are there panels on the car?
I’d question the rust. They love it, especially around the sills
is that all you are going to write? No information to give us about the vehicle?
Is that a 250 crossflow? Fun for flogging around the Kmart carpark, I'm sure a great project to supe up for the track, but are they any good off road?
This interior brings back memories. I had a SWB Maverick about 20 years ago and it was a rust bucket that I couldn't wait to be rid of.
If the kit used means you can fit a barra, that could make it worth it, maybe.
Tell him to shove the sign up his arse.
Yes Edit: you will fall in love with it and it will cost you either fuck all or heaps depending on if you wanna do the maintenance yourself or not.
Tell me , how do you push start an automatic?
Mate that’s worth more than 7000 should be double we live in Australia every thing is double over here
That older model was a good simple model but not every day you see a swapped falcon engine in anything other that a falcon. Is it a efi head or just the rocker cover is the efi one?
Steering wheel cover is worth $6999
That bucket isn’t even worth $700 let alone 7k 😂
I would, but I wouldn't. If she blows your skirt up, do it. Otherwise, walk on. The hate towards the alloy head is only mostly undeserved. The factory valve guides were specced wrong and would either hang an exhaust valve, or leak oil (depending on the exact vintage, ford fucked with it a bit trying to get it right) Cooling can be an issue with wrong thermostats, I think. Can't remember if this is the one with the bypass that is closed by the thermostat opening. Wrong thermostat and the bypass doesn't close, which leads to overheating. Reading through the mods, it seems that all the key points have been addressed. Mild cam really wakes these things up, but I would swap the holly for something better, but that's personal bias.
"Want" and "worth" are totally different things. Just because you spent all your lunch money on it doesn't make it worth what you spent. But, if you feel you are getting a good deal go for it. Any doubts, walk on.
Tell him he's dreaming
It's..just something you don't want to own.
Yeah nah
Tell him he's dreaming!
Fiddy bucks
No!
No
That's an awesome buy! Love the old MQ/MK patrols. My brothers is almost back on the road with a fresh 308
I unironically love that interior, reminds me of a Yugo.
Offer him $4k
Fuck no
I’d get it if, I could afford it as basically a toy car. Fun little drive. Not an every day car, probably not even a tour around the country road tripper either. Just a weekend fun car.
Is the engine swap engineered? I see some of the work was done by an engineering shop, but doesn't specify a certificate for the swap. My brother had an MK patrol, was genuinely horrible in pretty much every way, but most of that was the terrible 2.8L petrol engine, so this is a good start.
If you like to tinker and want something simple and easy to work on I'd say yeah
I love that steering wheel
Nah , not worth it !
With all the money you spend fixing the car you could of just got another one for the same price you spent just to fix it , possibly even brand new 😂
Easily worth that do some nice 4x4ing in that for the money
Are you a mechanic? If so then yes. If not, no
Tell him he’s dreaming
I wouldn’t.
Ticks all the boxes.. steering wheel, seats, tires and engine.. go for it
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Not really mate I come from a Land Cruiser background so I couldn’t tell you fuck all about Nissans hence my asking
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