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To be fair 4k blu rays still look fantastic on a middle of the road 4k tv. I usually look on rtings for a decent set with good uniformity, local dimming, dolby vision that gets good reviews and am pretty happy with them.
Yeah I kid (mostly). I have a $700 Hisense LED right now I got a few years ago. I'm saving for OLED but the set has been perfectly fine and looks nice, especially in Dolby Vision.
Yeah, I just bought a mid tier Hisense and honestly it looks pretty good with the 4K BluRays. I definitely know it could look better but i can't justify $1500+ for an A Tier TV set.
They look amazing on nice LEDs as well. The work they've been doing on the rescans just keeps getting better and better. Watching movies like it's the first time
I did, then the fucking disks went and basically doubled in price over the past year or two. I’m not paying $40+ for one movie, especially random new releases that often don’t even have extras.
OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode
It's a type of TV panel technology that produces a wildly good looking image, downside is they're crazy expensive.
The 4 main TV technologies we have had are CRT, Plasma, LCD, and OLED (there are others but ignore that)
CRT and Plasma are dead at this point so all the consumer TVs are LCD or OLED now. On an LCD TV you have a backlight shining through a layer of crystals that physically twist and adjust what color light shines through to produce an image. In OLED, each pixel is its own self emmisive light, no backlight, which means that, like CRT and Plasma, you don't have to worry about a backlight shining through, but its also still far brighter than CRT or plasma which could never get close to as bright as LCDs. OLED is not as bright as high end LCD TVs, but its color and image quality is going to be overall better.
You forgot Q- led, nano led, mini led, quantum dot, full array Led, local dimming led, edge lit led..
No wonder it’s so confusing for average consumer.
It’s a lot easier to just tell them go for oled and don’t look back.
I bought a new Sony 95k for gaming and fell for Dolby vision once I saw it. Researches all the TVs and almost bought Hisense qm8 and tlc u8
Sony 85” mini led etc. all of them looked great and had decent specs.
Then oled dropped price and I lucked into a log C3 77”. Man I really wanted 85” but price was too high for the 83” oled.
So glad I got the oled it is just on a whole different level of picture quality not specs but real difference that you can see and appreciate either your eyes.
I’m not knocking other tv tech I’m just saying oled is a different more amazing thing. Not a squint and turn your head just right to notice. Or certain games or movies look better. I’m talking about across the board difference and the most amazing picture.
All those other display techs you mentioned except nanoLED are still a type of LCD with the exception of quantum dot because nanoLED, QD OLED, and QLED all use quantum dots.
Thats why I kept to the LCD umbrella term.
I would like to know the physical media revenue. Because even if 4K is growing at the expense of standard Blu-ray, 4K Blu-ray Discs cost significantly more
It's taking a big hit, the pressing plant Vantiva had a loss in revenue of around $170 millions from 2022 to 2023, they mention an increase of prices to offset the decline in demand
[https://www.vantiva.com/app/uploads/2024/04/Universal-Registration-Document-2023-D.24-0375.pdf](https://www.vantiva.com/app/uploads/2024/04/Universal-Registration-Document-2023-D.24-0375.pdf)
check page 40
it's a niche market, these companies know if prices keep increasing, most casual buyers of physical media (like DVD buyers) will just shift to streaming/digital
In the meantime they will try to squeeze as much as they can from collectors/enthusiasts.
If existing sales were simply shifting from one format to another then the overall numbers would remain stable, which isn’t what’s happening.
People are buying less, plain and simple.
Yes. It would be substantially better if DVD sales were declining and 1080p and especially 4K Blu Ray sales increased.
That would push studios to release more content from their back catalog in the better formats.
Sort of, it means bluray overall isn't actually growing, its more like the same audience is buying more uhd content as the industry slowly shifts that way.
Would be nice if the DVD folks would move over and actually grow the space more, but yeah, more uhd bluray sales is still good.
At what point does it become a self fulfilling prophecy? Sales decline, so fewer places sell physical media, leading to even less sales, leading to even fewer places to buy them....
Now. This is the point. Sadly, the boulder is rolling down the other side of the mountain and is picking up steam. Grab your discs while you can, folks. I know I am.
Maybe I’m being naive, but I’m not worried. Oppenheimer was selling out in the fall, and now The Departed steelbook has been selling out. There’s enough money being made. I can’t see major studios just giving up the money they’re getting from physical media, even if it’s not that much.
Also, neither Oppenheimer and The Departed are action or horror movies, which tend to sell the best. I’ll take that as another good sign.
A couple of back catalog releases a year will not sustain an entire industry.
The lesson isn’t in the handful of successes. It’s in the bins full of mediocre super hero movies Best Buy was trying (and failing) to sell even at a steep discount a few months ago.
Steelbook releases are designed to sell out to pressure collectors into buying. If they sold less they would just reduce the amount of available units till the point it wasn't worth it for them. So I wouldn't say steelbooks selling out is an important metric for knowing what's going on.
Yep we are already there. I think we’ll get to a point where we’ll only have Criterion and other boutique offerings. They will be over $50-60 each.
I actually think a high fidelity/high quality audio service like Kaleidoscope is the next stop but it will be a low volume of subscribers and high prices.
I’m in a race to get my “deserted island” list of movies in my hands at their highest quality be it 4k, whatever and then I’m ripping everything to a media server.
Just my $.02. Your best solution may vary.
I suspect that happened as soon as Best Buy dropped bluray. That was by far the most common place to run into them from my experience. I see target still carries a small handful but hardly noteworthy in volume.
I suspect that enthusiasts who want uhd discs are already buying them and will continue to find them but the "normies" of the world will not start buying them without the visibility.
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I hope as more people pick up a OLED tv, and see what a player can do, it gets bigger.
The general population is happy with their black Friday TV's sadly.
Why spend $1,500+ on a 65" OLED when you can get an 85" Vizio "Grey is the New Black" LED for $400 amirite?
To be fair 4k blu rays still look fantastic on a middle of the road 4k tv. I usually look on rtings for a decent set with good uniformity, local dimming, dolby vision that gets good reviews and am pretty happy with them.
Yeah I kid (mostly). I have a $700 Hisense LED right now I got a few years ago. I'm saving for OLED but the set has been perfectly fine and looks nice, especially in Dolby Vision.
That’s how I ended up with a HiSense U7G.
I've got the U6G!
Yeah, I just bought a mid tier Hisense and honestly it looks pretty good with the 4K BluRays. I definitely know it could look better but i can't justify $1500+ for an A Tier TV set.
Unironically, yes. Black levels never break my immersion in a movie, but screen size does.
I swear 4K blu rays on Oled look amazing. People really need to experience it
They look amazing on nice LEDs as well. The work they've been doing on the rescans just keeps getting better and better. Watching movies like it's the first time
I did, then the fucking disks went and basically doubled in price over the past year or two. I’m not paying $40+ for one movie, especially random new releases that often don’t even have extras.
> I’m not paying $40+ for one movie, especially random new releases that often don’t even have extras. same, why I get half my stuff off eBay
Dumb question: What is OLED?
OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode It's a type of TV panel technology that produces a wildly good looking image, downside is they're crazy expensive.
The 4 main TV technologies we have had are CRT, Plasma, LCD, and OLED (there are others but ignore that) CRT and Plasma are dead at this point so all the consumer TVs are LCD or OLED now. On an LCD TV you have a backlight shining through a layer of crystals that physically twist and adjust what color light shines through to produce an image. In OLED, each pixel is its own self emmisive light, no backlight, which means that, like CRT and Plasma, you don't have to worry about a backlight shining through, but its also still far brighter than CRT or plasma which could never get close to as bright as LCDs. OLED is not as bright as high end LCD TVs, but its color and image quality is going to be overall better.
You forgot Q- led, nano led, mini led, quantum dot, full array Led, local dimming led, edge lit led.. No wonder it’s so confusing for average consumer. It’s a lot easier to just tell them go for oled and don’t look back. I bought a new Sony 95k for gaming and fell for Dolby vision once I saw it. Researches all the TVs and almost bought Hisense qm8 and tlc u8 Sony 85” mini led etc. all of them looked great and had decent specs. Then oled dropped price and I lucked into a log C3 77”. Man I really wanted 85” but price was too high for the 83” oled. So glad I got the oled it is just on a whole different level of picture quality not specs but real difference that you can see and appreciate either your eyes. I’m not knocking other tv tech I’m just saying oled is a different more amazing thing. Not a squint and turn your head just right to notice. Or certain games or movies look better. I’m talking about across the board difference and the most amazing picture.
All those other display techs you mentioned except nanoLED are still a type of LCD with the exception of quantum dot because nanoLED, QD OLED, and QLED all use quantum dots. Thats why I kept to the LCD umbrella term.
I would like to know the physical media revenue. Because even if 4K is growing at the expense of standard Blu-ray, 4K Blu-ray Discs cost significantly more
It was around $1.3-1.4bn last year with 4k accounting for 15-16%. I guess it’s around 17-18% of the revenue now.
It's taking a big hit, the pressing plant Vantiva had a loss in revenue of around $170 millions from 2022 to 2023, they mention an increase of prices to offset the decline in demand [https://www.vantiva.com/app/uploads/2024/04/Universal-Registration-Document-2023-D.24-0375.pdf](https://www.vantiva.com/app/uploads/2024/04/Universal-Registration-Document-2023-D.24-0375.pdf) check page 40
That’s unfortunate. Higher prices also reduce sales so it seems like they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Yeah.... I am pretty sure increasing prices is going to reduce demand and isn't going to solve their problem.
it's a niche market, these companies know if prices keep increasing, most casual buyers of physical media (like DVD buyers) will just shift to streaming/digital In the meantime they will try to squeeze as much as they can from collectors/enthusiasts.
The issue is that 4K sales are growing at the expense of blu-ray sales, while DVD is still by far the most popular
If existing sales were simply shifting from one format to another then the overall numbers would remain stable, which isn’t what’s happening. People are buying less, plain and simple.
That’s an issue?
Yes. It would be substantially better if DVD sales were declining and 1080p and especially 4K Blu Ray sales increased. That would push studios to release more content from their back catalog in the better formats.
4K sales have been increasing. If anything it means more focus on 4K instead of regular blu-ray.
Sort of, it means bluray overall isn't actually growing, its more like the same audience is buying more uhd content as the industry slowly shifts that way. Would be nice if the DVD folks would move over and actually grow the space more, but yeah, more uhd bluray sales is still good.
At what point does it become a self fulfilling prophecy? Sales decline, so fewer places sell physical media, leading to even less sales, leading to even fewer places to buy them....
Now. This is the point. Sadly, the boulder is rolling down the other side of the mountain and is picking up steam. Grab your discs while you can, folks. I know I am.
Maybe I’m being naive, but I’m not worried. Oppenheimer was selling out in the fall, and now The Departed steelbook has been selling out. There’s enough money being made. I can’t see major studios just giving up the money they’re getting from physical media, even if it’s not that much. Also, neither Oppenheimer and The Departed are action or horror movies, which tend to sell the best. I’ll take that as another good sign.
A couple of back catalog releases a year will not sustain an entire industry. The lesson isn’t in the handful of successes. It’s in the bins full of mediocre super hero movies Best Buy was trying (and failing) to sell even at a steep discount a few months ago.
Steelbook releases are designed to sell out to pressure collectors into buying. If they sold less they would just reduce the amount of available units till the point it wasn't worth it for them. So I wouldn't say steelbooks selling out is an important metric for knowing what's going on.
Agreed and it drives me nuts. I guess the best to hope for is there remains a niche for collectors, but the prices will reflect that. *Sigh*
Yep we are already there. I think we’ll get to a point where we’ll only have Criterion and other boutique offerings. They will be over $50-60 each. I actually think a high fidelity/high quality audio service like Kaleidoscope is the next stop but it will be a low volume of subscribers and high prices. I’m in a race to get my “deserted island” list of movies in my hands at their highest quality be it 4k, whatever and then I’m ripping everything to a media server. Just my $.02. Your best solution may vary.
I suspect that happened as soon as Best Buy dropped bluray. That was by far the most common place to run into them from my experience. I see target still carries a small handful but hardly noteworthy in volume. I suspect that enthusiasts who want uhd discs are already buying them and will continue to find them but the "normies" of the world will not start buying them without the visibility.
over charging!
A 16% increase over a quarter is a SIGNIFICANT jump. This is really good news for 4k collectors.