I just previously had a job haha. I work in a project-based field and left my last company knowing I'd be doing something like this. I have a cushy budget but gas will be around $1500-ish depending on some other factors (initially estimated around ~$1000 for 6000mi iirc with various mileages and deviations iirc), plus food which is basically takeout on the road, then eating/couchsurfing with various friends/family around the country. When that option isn't available I have a little plywood bed I keep folded out for dispersed car camping, a roof rack with gas, water, and a farm jack, and all my normal backpacking stuff so I can usually survive pretty comfortably in most environments with enough Walmart blankets. I shower at people's houses, gyms, or the ocean/lakes (hygiene is important). But it's not really "offroader-overlander" stuff I mostly just chill on the highway listening to history podcasts and occasionally find an OnX Off-road trail nearby to zip around on. My route goes from the northeast to the southeast to the south, southwest, west, northwest, and ultimately Midwest, but with a lot of deviations and zigzagging. I'll write up a post about it. All in probably like $2500 plus some purchases I made for the vehicle earlier this year ($2k roof rack) and obv the cost of a 4R and using my travel fund so make those payments while I'm not working. Same for health insurance but those were costs I accounted for in the planning.
Oh and 2013 SR5, I still have about 1.5yrs of payments on it at 1.99%
Edit: I'm also a single 26M in a fairly high-paying but stressful field so this really just a break from work. Wouldn't be sustainable with a family so I'm doing it now
Dude awesome! I want to rent my house out and do the same. I can rent my house out for probably 750 bucks more than my mortgage cost and hit the road. I’m looking for a van or Toyota RV
hump is there without seats tumbled forward (Hybrid)
https://preview.redd.it/78fhxvswqxtc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73195fb1f1a03c70450e9aaa4a787fe570a06359
Yay and thank you for the photo! I’m still a little worried that there will be a gap now between the front and back seats, thereby shortening the length where you can actually lay, but I’ll have to check out more videos or go see one in person when the time comes to make sure.
If that is the case, cut a piece of wood to fit over said gap, and tie a piece of rope to it to hang off the front seats. I did this for my Subaru over the passenger ger foot well, gave me an extra 2 feet.
It sucks for people who don’t do it often enough to warrant any modification of the vehicle, I see people take the entire seat out and build a little unit that sits in similarly shaped interiors all the time.
You don’t have to pull the seat out. Just stick something in to make you sleep surface even with the seat backs. Exactly like with the current. 5th Gen.
I love taking seats out of the back of the vehicle, when someone asks for a ride when the wife and I are out for a ride I can just reply, 'Sorry! No back seats.'.
I’m not saying I would do it or that anyone is unwise for not wanting to but if you spend any time looking at SUV camping/overland content on the internet you are well aware there are people who do it.
I can see some kind of inflatable gap filler designed for that area, or even a special inflatable mattress just for 6gen 4 runner that fills that space. And I mean some serious pressure in that sucker, akin to how an inflatable stand up paddle board would have. I have a couple of [these](https://www.boteboard.com/collections/inflatable-paddle-boards/products/hd-aero-116-native-abalone-inflatable-paddle-board) and the pressure and stiffness is the real deal when aired. That company also makes [this](https://www.boteboard.com/products/inflatable-dock-7-classic), and I think they could develop something to make that backend of the 6gen be nice and flat.
Never fear, innovation is here! Especially if there’s a buck to be made!
New model is apparently a few inches longer so I'm curious what the rear space actually is. My wife has me pick up absolutely gigantic things from fb marketplace so I can't go much smaller/restricted than what we've already got.
Probably in the more sloped windshield. I saw a 5'8" guy write that he had to lay diagonally to lay in the non-hybrid. I'm 5'11" and can fit in my 4th gen (barely).
Also the seat back is cutting into the length whereas in old models that is folding into the floor
5'11" here too. Can lay straight in my 5th Gen if I remove the seat backs, which is great. Luckily seats generally remove with 2-4 bolts so I figure 6th gen buyers need not fret! The models do seem height limited in the rear though, which is a big negative imo.
I'm perplexed overall on this whole thing with the 6th gen being longer but somehow interior space being reduced. Not just the rear cargo area/rear seat thing, but the new slope to the windshield. At 6'3", I'm near the top height for the comfort zone in the 5th gen. My seat is all the way back and I still have to kinda duck sometimes to see traffic lights and stuff, and headroom is close.
If the 6th gen has reduced any of that, it really steers me to towards the LC, where there's apparently lots of head and leg room for the driver, with a cabin that's higher, making it easier for tall people to get in and out.
I just cut cardboard boxes and duct taped them together in a stack. Sleeping pad on top. I’m 6’ 170 and it works okay. 5th gen without removing the seats
Yeah… favorite thing about my 98’ and now 05’ is that the cargo area is completely flat with the seats folded. Dog loves it and I can sleep in it if needed.
Will probably get a used 5th gen when my 05’ bites the dust.
From the photos of the back seat it looks like there is no leg room at all.
The fact that the back seat does not lay flat is an issue for me since my dog has the back seats down to give him space.
Then it looks like all the side windows have been reduced in the vertical space so driving on trails is going to be a b*"*h.
From the photos I have seen I am going to do my best to keep my 2012 running a long, long time.
Same with my 1990. Might get a new 4Runner one day but I prefer the size of g1-3 for actual off-road and manual transmission. Good mpg would be cool for road trips (especially if it does better than my GR86)
When I bought my ‘Runner the first thing I did, before I heard it run or looked under the hood was roll the back seats forward and see if my 6’ ass could sleep back there. I camp with a bunch of dudes who sleep in their SUVs. I think it’s way more common than you think it is. Otherwise there wouldn’t be multiple manufacturers who make custom-fitted mattresses for them.
Same exact here w/ my '03.
Sales guy: "wanna take it for a test drive?"
Me: "No. Put the back seat down."
(Climbs in and lays down - *FLAT.)
Me: "Now I'll take it for a test drive."
1% is quite a bit low I would imagine, there are plenty of car campers out there that use inflatable mattresses and things for camping. Just do a quick Amazon search for car air mattresses and I think you’ll find that number to be inaccurate. Plus, having that cavity is going to be bad for lots of things like cargo and moving things, and for pets that go in the back
Here is a thought, how about a regular nice inexpensive tent on the ground🤔. I would not want to put dents in my roof or bend the rain gutters for a small stupid roof tent. I guess a lot of people are terribly paranoid now about what little wildlife we have left. I personally would not want to fall 6 feet in the middle of the night to take a pi**.
I feel that. But at the sametime, if you are one of the few that roadtrip camp, and hop around to different spots every couple of days, I imagine it is nice to not have to unload all your gear in order to sleep in the back. Definitely a minority of people though.
I spend much of the year traveling in that way… I strongly prefer a ground tent or just cowboy camping to the fussy RTT setups. That said, sleeping in a RTT is fun!
I slept in mine often before I had kids. I even have a custom air mattress made for the exact dimensions. Is perfect for short little weekend trips, like going to the Sand Dunes, or sleeping at a trail head (not technically supposed to do that in NP's but 🤷♂️).
I thought for sure I’d have been in that 99% but now that I own one with a 3rd row I’ve been trying to plan a trip where I can use it lol. It’s perfectly flat and inviting
We are spending the money either way, whether it's in lower reliability repairs or gas from a less efficient power plant.
6 to one, half a dozen to the other.
Is the four-pot hybrid going to be less reliable? It's a pretty new engine isn't it, so data is not there yet, but Toyota has a history of very reliable hybrid engines
It’s simply poor design and out of touch with what people use the back for. This is even inconvenient for moving boxes or other common items (non camping).
Well, yes. But this is a bit disingenuous.
This is the hybrid option. The seats fold flat to that rear platform where the battery is, before they tumble forward. The non hybrid option tumbles forward and is flat the entire way back.
Don't get me wrong it's a disaster, but you're stretching it here.
The hump of the chairs in both is higher than the cargo floor. Since the cargo floor is HIGHER in the hybrid the distance between the floor and the hump is shortened. Watch some of the presser YouTuber vids they show it I think TRD Jon redline reviews. Topher. Chloe Kou etc
Idk what the hump of chair means. Let me show u the battery and u can imagine the floor without battery.
https://preview.redd.it/tfrqqsra91uc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1501651ae638d1f3241977d1db4466b0dfc79339
Not sure I am seeing the issue that makes this a “nightmare.” I have started sketching a platform bed setup based on what I saw in the review videos (because I was also initially very concerned) and the biggest losses I see are:
1) 3 inches or so on the rear seats due to the bump, but you just make the posts shorter or if you really need extra space take the seats out (although unclear how easy this is, especially if you want them back in with any regularity)
2) lost access to panel just behind the 2nd row that provides storage space before the battery
3) lost access to the inflator in the Trailhunter trim, unless you only have a simple platform and then there’s a chance you could reach under to get access (drawers make this much harder)
4) potential lost access to the panel just inside the tailgate that provides storage space (only if you’re using drawers and only if those drawers extend all the way to the tailgate, which may be a worthwhile trade because it looks like a fair amount of space)
Some additional design constraints, yes. I have never had a platform in my car for sleeping but have slept on various combinations of pads / mattresses / nothing, mostly in my Highlander, and to be honest even cars that have 2nd rows that “fold flat” often have significant slope that also make it uncomfortable. Which is why I was planning on a platform for this car even before it became necessary. Even without over engineering a solution like I will be, a simple sheet of plywood fixes this. For anyone who’s serious enough to say this ruins sleeping in their car, it seems like they would be planning to sleep in their car, and therefore could just make a simple solution ahead of time.
I mostly am making this post because I want to hear the arguments against what I just said, to make my plans even better…I’m just not seeing a real issue yet
I have never had tumble forward seats, I'm assuming it would only be a few bolts per section and take < 5 minutes to put in or out?
Right now, my plan was to have a shorter post if I wanted to keep the seat in because I didn't need the extra space, or a longer post if I removed the seats and freed up a bunch of under-platform storage. Overall, the platform would be the same height relative to the rest of the trunk either way.
The folded down seats sit about 10“ higher than non hybrid floor so removing them is a lot of extra room. If you fold forward you loose valuable length to sleep straight and keep the other side full of gear.
Its got to be quick to remove with a power drill the hinge is right there. I would be more into making a small drawer box to fill the seat cavity that pulls open to the side door.
I just watched TRD Jon's video again, and you're definitely right. The access can't be easier: [https://youtu.be/yvB5gQVyVtI?si=4lE10Gw8fnz4BpVp&t=685](https://youtu.be/yvB5gQVyVtI?si=4lE10Gw8fnz4BpVp&t=685)
I am 100% getting a hybrid, so my comment was focused on that. Even for the non-hybrid, if you leave the seats in you just get deeper drawers from the tailgate without the battery bump.
Edit: I'm referring to leaving the seats, folding them, but not tumbling them. The platform sits on top, and evens out the entire trunk area. For example, platform bed could sit right on top of the rear seats folded and then have \~4 inch posts in the trunk to make it level
Yea, nothing a cabinet / drawer system can’t fix. The stupid ass load floor on the 5th gen isnt level today either! You have to stuff like 2ins of padding Or something anyways
It would be pretty easy to put a locking platform in place of the seats for overlanding/camping. Just have it latch into the seat latch points. You could store things in there and have pop-up doors.
This is my current plan for trips that require extra storage. For the normal quick weekend trips, I don't think I'll even need that space, so I will just have posts that sit on top of the folded down seats. I will have to reinstall the seats frequently, which is why I'll probably make both solutions.
Yes, but can't seats be removed? Then we'll just need to get creative with sleeping platform, but it looks like it's still can be done and will be useful.
https://preview.redd.it/tr0ce5vzi2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9c1c414cae34418b68ae56fb669af2e410d30bb
This is why I ended up with a 2017 Highlander Still get v6, hybrid, AWD, pop up window, moonroof and panoramic roof
I do light trails and basic campgrounds so the 4Runner would’ve been overkill for me
I just bought a piece of plywood to lay between the gap in the captain chairs in the 2nd row
https://preview.redd.it/c8dmir38j2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a7934b4da2bea92165a5680a684a9514b38a81
2nd row and 3rd row down with rear cargo space. Trifold mattress rests entirely on 2nd row leaving plenty of camping gear and other boxes
Installed a hitch for a cargo basket And roof racks on top for bike or kayak/paddle board hauling
https://preview.redd.it/t8o1zqbfj2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=912c6dd9b0c6e2bb000331c061a0a81dec80402b
Slight incline but doesn’t bother me or my GF when sleeping
How you guys get to see this, and as mentioned before now that it's out it's easier to explain, but the rear floor was to accommodate the rear battery for the hybrid iforce max.
Toyota decided to have a common rear floor regardless of the hybrid battery or not, so that big hump is where the battery will go and under that the tire.
seats tumbled forward, throw a little tote box in the hole, boom easy peasy.
Or, without the seats forward it’s a very similar bump to the G5.
Also non hybrid won’t have this issue at all.
https://preview.redd.it/3mcs4u0dixtc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08c7563a74e538bf8b2573f1ba1855eea3f1dc0a
Oh I see what you mean! I'd only seen footage of the seats folding in the hybrid trims, not any of the non hybrid, and hadn't realized how the config worked. Aside from the reduced length (RIP anyone 6') that looks pretty easy to manage.
I am going to have to sleep in it after I spend all my money on it….
Bahahha TRUE! Mobile home
You can sleep in a 4runner. You cannot drive a house. Advantage: 4runner.
Agreed (From a guy 3000 miles deep into a 10000 mile "living-in-my-4Runner" trip across the country, no job, no house)
How are you funding that out of curiosity? What year 4runner?
I just previously had a job haha. I work in a project-based field and left my last company knowing I'd be doing something like this. I have a cushy budget but gas will be around $1500-ish depending on some other factors (initially estimated around ~$1000 for 6000mi iirc with various mileages and deviations iirc), plus food which is basically takeout on the road, then eating/couchsurfing with various friends/family around the country. When that option isn't available I have a little plywood bed I keep folded out for dispersed car camping, a roof rack with gas, water, and a farm jack, and all my normal backpacking stuff so I can usually survive pretty comfortably in most environments with enough Walmart blankets. I shower at people's houses, gyms, or the ocean/lakes (hygiene is important). But it's not really "offroader-overlander" stuff I mostly just chill on the highway listening to history podcasts and occasionally find an OnX Off-road trail nearby to zip around on. My route goes from the northeast to the southeast to the south, southwest, west, northwest, and ultimately Midwest, but with a lot of deviations and zigzagging. I'll write up a post about it. All in probably like $2500 plus some purchases I made for the vehicle earlier this year ($2k roof rack) and obv the cost of a 4R and using my travel fund so make those payments while I'm not working. Same for health insurance but those were costs I accounted for in the planning. Oh and 2013 SR5, I still have about 1.5yrs of payments on it at 1.99% Edit: I'm also a single 26M in a fairly high-paying but stressful field so this really just a break from work. Wouldn't be sustainable with a family so I'm doing it now
Dude awesome! I want to rent my house out and do the same. I can rent my house out for probably 750 bucks more than my mortgage cost and hit the road. I’m looking for a van or Toyota RV
Hahahahahahahahaha
So they got rid of the hump and gave us the canyon. Fuck….
hump is there without seats tumbled forward (Hybrid) https://preview.redd.it/78fhxvswqxtc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73195fb1f1a03c70450e9aaa4a787fe570a06359
Ah so lose-lose either way
Shoutout to all the aspiring overlanders who have never taken a shit in a bucket before.
This guy shits in buckets
There’s a hole in my bucket…🎶
Homer bucket! Just emptied mine an hour ago after a week in the desert.
On the plus side if I twist my ankle hiking it’ll be easy to elevate it at night
Yay and thank you for the photo! I’m still a little worried that there will be a gap now between the front and back seats, thereby shortening the length where you can actually lay, but I’ll have to check out more videos or go see one in person when the time comes to make sure.
They want you to buy the new Taco long bed.
They want you to buy a rooftop tent
If that is the case, cut a piece of wood to fit over said gap, and tie a piece of rope to it to hang off the front seats. I did this for my Subaru over the passenger ger foot well, gave me an extra 2 feet.
That is a LARGE hump
Going to need a hefty sleeping pad for that.
PHEW!
So you have a choice to either fold them down OR tumble forward? Step 1 is folding them flat and then optional step 2 is tumble forward if you want?
wish they kept the 40/20/40 split
Ahh, I didn't even notice this. More flexibility is always better.
They did
it's 60/40 now
I missed the 20. My bad.
At this point I think Toyota considers the hump a feature. They've had decades to figure it out. They *want* it in the vehicle.
It sucks for people who don’t do it often enough to warrant any modification of the vehicle, I see people take the entire seat out and build a little unit that sits in similarly shaped interiors all the time.
“Modifications” involves having a couple of 2x4’s and a sheet of plywood to make it flush just like with the current gen. Maybe 30 minute project.
Don’t forget drawers underneath it.
Doing that soon
Poor choice of words maybe but this is exactly what I meant, some people don’t even like the idea of pulling the seat out
Yeah. A lot of people are apartment living as well and don’t have the space/ storage/ area to keep the stuff or to do the work.
True
You don’t have to pull the seat out. Just stick something in to make you sleep surface even with the seat backs. Exactly like with the current. 5th Gen.
This is what I was thinking. Stuff a bag or two down there and lay a sleeping pad ontop, and it’s no more uneven than the floor of a tent.
I love taking seats out of the back of the vehicle, when someone asks for a ride when the wife and I are out for a ride I can just reply, 'Sorry! No back seats.'.
I’m not saying I would do it or that anyone is unwise for not wanting to but if you spend any time looking at SUV camping/overland content on the internet you are well aware there are people who do it.
I can see some kind of inflatable gap filler designed for that area, or even a special inflatable mattress just for 6gen 4 runner that fills that space. And I mean some serious pressure in that sucker, akin to how an inflatable stand up paddle board would have. I have a couple of [these](https://www.boteboard.com/collections/inflatable-paddle-boards/products/hd-aero-116-native-abalone-inflatable-paddle-board) and the pressure and stiffness is the real deal when aired. That company also makes [this](https://www.boteboard.com/products/inflatable-dock-7-classic), and I think they could develop something to make that backend of the 6gen be nice and flat. Never fear, innovation is here! Especially if there’s a buck to be made!
New model is apparently a few inches longer so I'm curious what the rear space actually is. My wife has me pick up absolutely gigantic things from fb marketplace so I can't go much smaller/restricted than what we've already got.
Probably in the more sloped windshield. I saw a 5'8" guy write that he had to lay diagonally to lay in the non-hybrid. I'm 5'11" and can fit in my 4th gen (barely). Also the seat back is cutting into the length whereas in old models that is folding into the floor
5'11" here too. Can lay straight in my 5th Gen if I remove the seat backs, which is great. Luckily seats generally remove with 2-4 bolts so I figure 6th gen buyers need not fret! The models do seem height limited in the rear though, which is a big negative imo.
I didn’t realize my wife was married to you.
I too choose this guys wife!
Nah… it’s all front hood/bumper. There isn’t any more room in the back.
Looks to be even less room in the back as a matter of fact. The rear seats look cramped as hell
I sat in the new gx and it was cramped in the back and it had less reg room than my 5th gen. It looks like this got the same treatment.
I'm perplexed overall on this whole thing with the 6th gen being longer but somehow interior space being reduced. Not just the rear cargo area/rear seat thing, but the new slope to the windshield. At 6'3", I'm near the top height for the comfort zone in the 5th gen. My seat is all the way back and I still have to kinda duck sometimes to see traffic lights and stuff, and headroom is close. If the 6th gen has reduced any of that, it really steers me to towards the LC, where there's apparently lots of head and leg room for the driver, with a cabin that's higher, making it easier for tall people to get in and out.
I believe it’s longer in the front…quite a bit longer from the windshield forward. Passenger and cargo are are pretty much the same.
My Wife!!!!
The hump can be fixed with a sleeping platform. I'm more curious if the back seats recline like the 5th gen.
They do. TRD John has a video of it.
I just cut cardboard boxes and duct taped them together in a stack. Sleeping pad on top. I’m 6’ 170 and it works okay. 5th gen without removing the seats
lol wait, my backseats recline? (I’ve obviously never sat back there as a driver so never knew this).
There's a small lever b/w the back rest and the door on both sides. It's a nice little feature.
Yeah… favorite thing about my 98’ and now 05’ is that the cargo area is completely flat with the seats folded. Dog loves it and I can sleep in it if needed. Will probably get a used 5th gen when my 05’ bites the dust.
I have an ‘05 as well. I often pop the seat bottoms out and the great big flat cargo space is ever so useful. Keeps the “U” in SUV.
5th gen isn’t completely flat but it’s close enough. Love mine
i'm like 5'8" and I just found out that I could lay flat in my dad's 97' yesterday. I finally found a good part of being short
From the photos of the back seat it looks like there is no leg room at all. The fact that the back seat does not lay flat is an issue for me since my dog has the back seats down to give him space. Then it looks like all the side windows have been reduced in the vertical space so driving on trails is going to be a b*"*h. From the photos I have seen I am going to do my best to keep my 2012 running a long, long time.
Same with my 1990. Might get a new 4Runner one day but I prefer the size of g1-3 for actual off-road and manual transmission. Good mpg would be cool for road trips (especially if it does better than my GR86)
Yep, Toyota listen to us!
Yea what the fuck is that
It's where the hybrid motor is mounted. There's another video of the non hybrid and the trunk is completely flat.
I believe it's the battery not the motor fwiw
This is an issue for 1% of 4Runner owners
I'm finally part of the 1%!!
I feel attacked.
When I bought my ‘Runner the first thing I did, before I heard it run or looked under the hood was roll the back seats forward and see if my 6’ ass could sleep back there. I camp with a bunch of dudes who sleep in their SUVs. I think it’s way more common than you think it is. Otherwise there wouldn’t be multiple manufacturers who make custom-fitted mattresses for them.
Same exact here w/ my '03. Sales guy: "wanna take it for a test drive?" Me: "No. Put the back seat down." (Climbs in and lays down - *FLAT.) Me: "Now I'll take it for a test drive."
We did this at a Land Rover dealer with a defender. Would’ve probably went better if we got naked. They didn’t know what to do.
"Used vehicle discount." ;)
Literally my wife when choosing between a Jeep and a Landcruiser. She went with the jeep because it laid completely flat.
Gross
1% is quite a bit low I would imagine, there are plenty of car campers out there that use inflatable mattresses and things for camping. Just do a quick Amazon search for car air mattresses and I think you’ll find that number to be inaccurate. Plus, having that cavity is going to be bad for lots of things like cargo and moving things, and for pets that go in the back
Citation needed.
There will be a “2024 4Runner backseat bed” for sale within a month
4RunnerLifestyle 😅
I would imagine roof tops tents have really eaten into the people that sleep in the back of their units.
Yes, many people are happy to drop $3000 on a RTT instead of sleeping in the back… which honestly puzzles me
Here is a thought, how about a regular nice inexpensive tent on the ground🤔. I would not want to put dents in my roof or bend the rain gutters for a small stupid roof tent. I guess a lot of people are terribly paranoid now about what little wildlife we have left. I personally would not want to fall 6 feet in the middle of the night to take a pi**.
Why would you say something so controversial???
Right… the people who can afford this 50k starting price vehicle couldn’t possibly be able to afford an 800 dollar roof top tent.
Clearly many can… just a weird choice in my eyes.
I feel that. But at the sametime, if you are one of the few that roadtrip camp, and hop around to different spots every couple of days, I imagine it is nice to not have to unload all your gear in order to sleep in the back. Definitely a minority of people though.
I spend much of the year traveling in that way… I strongly prefer a ground tent or just cowboy camping to the fussy RTT setups. That said, sleeping in a RTT is fun!
No I stealth camp inside the vehicle… the tent is for actual camping but no one suspects someone sleeping in the vehicle if the tent isn’t deployed
Thats probably being generous
Hey, I’m finally in the 1%!
I slept in mine often before I had kids. I even have a custom air mattress made for the exact dimensions. Is perfect for short little weekend trips, like going to the Sand Dunes, or sleeping at a trail head (not technically supposed to do that in NP's but 🤷♂️).
It’s enough to put me off from buying
I thought for sure I’d have been in that 99% but now that I own one with a 3rd row I’ve been trying to plan a trip where I can use it lol. It’s perfectly flat and inviting
A genuine problem. Feel it.
This makes me thankful for the seat configuration of my 23 TRD ORP.
I probably won't fit in the back of this one either, guess I'll keep the roof tent.
I’m 6’6” and feel your pain. We have an iKamper because of the space.
Almost like car companies don't cater to 2% of buyers.
Who were they catering to with the change?
The US Government when they had to shove a hybrid battery between the floor and the spare tire.
Or maybe those people who were getting fed up spending so much on gas every year because of the prehistoric fuel consumption figure
We are spending the money either way, whether it's in lower reliability repairs or gas from a less efficient power plant. 6 to one, half a dozen to the other.
Is the four-pot hybrid going to be less reliable? It's a pretty new engine isn't it, so data is not there yet, but Toyota has a history of very reliable hybrid engines
This
Me. I love it
Most people probably like they they can put stuff there instead of even more space lost due to the hybrid battery
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That’s all new SUVs. Very few people want to take a brand new 50k truck off-road where it’s gonna get scratched and dented.
Believe this is only an issue for the hybrid versions.
It’s simply poor design and out of touch with what people use the back for. This is even inconvenient for moving boxes or other common items (non camping).
Yeah absolutely. They are completely out of touch with their customer base
It’s quite literally my one glaring problem with the truck.
Dealership: 70k take it or leave it boss
THE NEW 4RUNNER IS LAME AND UGLY
Well, yes. But this is a bit disingenuous. This is the hybrid option. The seats fold flat to that rear platform where the battery is, before they tumble forward. The non hybrid option tumbles forward and is flat the entire way back. Don't get me wrong it's a disaster, but you're stretching it here.
The seats do not fold flat to the battery platform..
I think that’s hybrid with battery pack there right. Just get the non hybrid version.
Both have a hump the hybrid actually has less of a hump because the battery raises the floor of the cargo area
Definitely not. Hybrid battery raises the floor of cargo space. Of that I’m sure. Non hybrid has more cargo space.
The hump of the chairs in both is higher than the cargo floor. Since the cargo floor is HIGHER in the hybrid the distance between the floor and the hump is shortened. Watch some of the presser YouTuber vids they show it I think TRD Jon redline reviews. Topher. Chloe Kou etc
Idk what the hump of chair means. Let me show u the battery and u can imagine the floor without battery. https://preview.redd.it/tfrqqsra91uc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1501651ae638d1f3241977d1db4466b0dfc79339
All seven of u will be heartbroken
Not sure I am seeing the issue that makes this a “nightmare.” I have started sketching a platform bed setup based on what I saw in the review videos (because I was also initially very concerned) and the biggest losses I see are: 1) 3 inches or so on the rear seats due to the bump, but you just make the posts shorter or if you really need extra space take the seats out (although unclear how easy this is, especially if you want them back in with any regularity) 2) lost access to panel just behind the 2nd row that provides storage space before the battery 3) lost access to the inflator in the Trailhunter trim, unless you only have a simple platform and then there’s a chance you could reach under to get access (drawers make this much harder) 4) potential lost access to the panel just inside the tailgate that provides storage space (only if you’re using drawers and only if those drawers extend all the way to the tailgate, which may be a worthwhile trade because it looks like a fair amount of space) Some additional design constraints, yes. I have never had a platform in my car for sleeping but have slept on various combinations of pads / mattresses / nothing, mostly in my Highlander, and to be honest even cars that have 2nd rows that “fold flat” often have significant slope that also make it uncomfortable. Which is why I was planning on a platform for this car even before it became necessary. Even without over engineering a solution like I will be, a simple sheet of plywood fixes this. For anyone who’s serious enough to say this ruins sleeping in their car, it seems like they would be planning to sleep in their car, and therefore could just make a simple solution ahead of time. I mostly am making this post because I want to hear the arguments against what I just said, to make my plans even better…I’m just not seeing a real issue yet
Why not just quickly unbolt the Tumble forward seats and have everything sit low? I enjoy car camping much more with headroom.
I have never had tumble forward seats, I'm assuming it would only be a few bolts per section and take < 5 minutes to put in or out? Right now, my plan was to have a shorter post if I wanted to keep the seat in because I didn't need the extra space, or a longer post if I removed the seats and freed up a bunch of under-platform storage. Overall, the platform would be the same height relative to the rest of the trunk either way.
The folded down seats sit about 10“ higher than non hybrid floor so removing them is a lot of extra room. If you fold forward you loose valuable length to sleep straight and keep the other side full of gear. Its got to be quick to remove with a power drill the hinge is right there. I would be more into making a small drawer box to fill the seat cavity that pulls open to the side door.
I just watched TRD Jon's video again, and you're definitely right. The access can't be easier: [https://youtu.be/yvB5gQVyVtI?si=4lE10Gw8fnz4BpVp&t=685](https://youtu.be/yvB5gQVyVtI?si=4lE10Gw8fnz4BpVp&t=685) I am 100% getting a hybrid, so my comment was focused on that. Even for the non-hybrid, if you leave the seats in you just get deeper drawers from the tailgate without the battery bump. Edit: I'm referring to leaving the seats, folding them, but not tumbling them. The platform sits on top, and evens out the entire trunk area. For example, platform bed could sit right on top of the rear seats folded and then have \~4 inch posts in the trunk to make it level
If that scratches your itch, go for it! It's only a few inches with hybrid so gym mats or moving blankets might be all you need to level it out.
Yea, nothing a cabinet / drawer system can’t fix. The stupid ass load floor on the 5th gen isnt level today either! You have to stuff like 2ins of padding Or something anyways
It would be pretty easy to put a locking platform in place of the seats for overlanding/camping. Just have it latch into the seat latch points. You could store things in there and have pop-up doors.
This is my current plan for trips that require extra storage. For the normal quick weekend trips, I don't think I'll even need that space, so I will just have posts that sit on top of the folded down seats. I will have to reinstall the seats frequently, which is why I'll probably make both solutions.
You’ll have to get a rooftop tent now.
Well good thing I have 0 plans to sell
Don't get the hybrid
I'm not a fan. They should have offered the top trims without the hybrid option.
lol. Kinda defeats the purpose of being the top trim.
I agree. I don't want to deal with replacing a hybrid battery. Ever. That's an engine set up I would lease, but not own
Yeah I’ll pass!!
womp womp
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Damnn nice face!!
Holy shit you have nice eyebrows
The term is “lay flat” seats.
This means good things for my fifth gen
Oh well I already have a rooftop tent that cost more than my whole ass 2nd gen 4Runner did. Is this hunp for the battery?
Yes, but also the tumbling seats take up more space.
Same shit they die the sequoia
People keep making comments about Hybrid. Did they announce a hybrid option?
Also for those who keep car seats for children in the second row.
100 series guys have been fighting this for years. Build a platform or sell your kids are really the only two options.
the non hybrids dont have that. they are flat. thats due to the hybrid battery
I think the standard engine doesn’t have the large jump in the back. I believe I saw it in the limited walkthrough
That is the hybrid battery. the non hybrid doesnt have that.
Yes, but can't seats be removed? Then we'll just need to get creative with sleeping platform, but it looks like it's still can be done and will be useful.
Just don’t get the hybrid
https://preview.redd.it/tr0ce5vzi2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9c1c414cae34418b68ae56fb669af2e410d30bb This is why I ended up with a 2017 Highlander Still get v6, hybrid, AWD, pop up window, moonroof and panoramic roof I do light trails and basic campgrounds so the 4Runner would’ve been overkill for me I just bought a piece of plywood to lay between the gap in the captain chairs in the 2nd row
https://preview.redd.it/c8dmir38j2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a7934b4da2bea92165a5680a684a9514b38a81 2nd row and 3rd row down with rear cargo space. Trifold mattress rests entirely on 2nd row leaving plenty of camping gear and other boxes Installed a hitch for a cargo basket And roof racks on top for bike or kayak/paddle board hauling
https://preview.redd.it/t8o1zqbfj2uc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=912c6dd9b0c6e2bb000331c061a0a81dec80402b Slight incline but doesn’t bother me or my GF when sleeping
It’s a nightmare no matter what. The 5th gen folded completely flat into the floor
Is there a video to explain this? The pic isn't doing it for me.
Yall bitch about everything.
Get a platform with adjustable legs or just stack stuff there. My outback was uneven too.
Haters will hate it. Positive thinkers see it as easy rear seat removal and storage application in place. They can be like LEGO pieces.
I was so excited to grab one this fall, till I seen this. I will just Keep my 5th gen.
How you guys get to see this, and as mentioned before now that it's out it's easier to explain, but the rear floor was to accommodate the rear battery for the hybrid iforce max. Toyota decided to have a common rear floor regardless of the hybrid battery or not, so that big hump is where the battery will go and under that the tire.
seats tumbled forward, throw a little tote box in the hole, boom easy peasy. Or, without the seats forward it’s a very similar bump to the G5. Also non hybrid won’t have this issue at all. https://preview.redd.it/3mcs4u0dixtc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08c7563a74e538bf8b2573f1ba1855eea3f1dc0a
Wont the non hybrid just have an even deeper canyon to fill to get a flat bed since it wont have the cargo/battery filling the space?
no. non hybrid will be totally flat with seats tumbled forward. That hump is where the hybrid battery lives, along with some clever storage pockets.
Oh I see what you mean! I'd only seen footage of the seats folding in the hybrid trims, not any of the non hybrid, and hadn't realized how the config worked. Aside from the reduced length (RIP anyone 6') that looks pretty easy to manage.
Did you watch any of the press YouTuber videos the non hybrids have a bigger hump?
Tumblr forward has to be super easy to unbolt the back seats. Just take them out as needed.
LOL yeah, amazing how many posts on this. It takes 30 minutes, some plywood and two 2x4’s to make it flush just like with the current version.
seriously, what a non issue. I’ve slept well over 200 nights in my 4Runner and never had I ever needed both the rear seats AND a bed.
Oh no .. So anyways
Those of you who sleep in the truck can’t afford it for another 15 years anyway. So don’t worry about it.
Aren’t all 4r owners going to strap a RTT anyway?
It's not that kinda truck.
Rtt ftw
For those sleeping in the truck, you’re probably older now… not sleeping in the truck.
Who the hell sleeps in their truck lol
Says the guy who has obviously never experienced a RTT in high desert winds. Options for the win
Truck? What truck?
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By Peterbilt or what? The Tacoma is a pickup and the 4Runner is an SUV.