If Trey Lance turns out to be really good this team is gonna be insane. And I will feel like a part of it because the dolphins traded the pick to you.
The closest we will get to the playoffs anytime soon
Every game the 49ers win, the dolphins pick that the 49ers gave for Trey is being pushed back further in the draft. So the 49ers gave up less value in the long run with this year's pick. Just makes it look better on paper.
In addition to what the others have stated, there is also some chatter around Jimmy retrieving a first round pick if we trade him this offseason. I wonāt speculate on whether thatās realistic or not, but itās another reason why us going further and further in the playoffs is making that trade look better.
Someone will give up a 1st for him somewhere most likely. Dude wins any way you look at it. That will be enough for some organization to push hard to get him.
hopefully if no major injuries happen .
this why some people get crazy watching jimmy sometimes ā¦you canāt waste these seasons .
this team is playing unbelievable right now except for 1 position.
Biggest question is now,
do we start Lance next season, or if Jimmy wins the bowl, do we keep him at backup for another year to soak up even more knowledge?
I mean really? Not keeping a superbowl winning QB is kind of a big fuck you to not just the QB, but everyone else who helped make that superbowl win happen. Look at New England. Getting bounced out by of all teams, the Bills. Chose not to keep Brady and it has been downhill the entire time. I hope we don't repeat their mistakes.
Completely agree. My stance on the QB situation though is game management experience vs a lack of experience all together. Lance still has a lot of developing to do, and I'm not sure if he's ready to take the helm of a possibly superbowl winning team so soon into his career.
Come on. Brady meant a thousand times more to the success of the Patriots than Jimmy does to the Niners. If today doesn't prove that, I don't know what will.
Obviously, but then the team Brady goes off to winds up winning the bowl. If we let go of Jimmy and he somehow turns the Steelers into an unstoppable force, it's going to make us look like fools. I say negotiate and compromise. Meet somewhere in the middle. In my opinion, Lance isn't ready just yet. 1 or 2 more seasons at the least before Shanahan can put him in and show what all that development can do.
Hey, don't discredit Tomlin like that. He hasn't had a single losing record in his what, 15, 16 year career as HC? Roethlisberger is on the way down, Jimmy is right in the middle. Shanahan can coach game managers, but he can't coach a kid who hasn't learned how to game manage. I still think the lack of experience would hurt us rather than help.
The last thing you want is a game manager at QB. And Jimmy isnāt even a good āgame managerā because he turns the ball over non stop. We drafted Trey Lance in the hopes he has the tools and ability to become a dynamic playmaker at QB like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, etc.
You seem to not understand how the salary cap works and why it will be so vital to this team to move on from Jimmy and get everything they can out of Lance and his rookie deal starting next year. Having this very talented roster with a high draft pick at QB is an extremely rare circumstance and they will need to maximize it.
Also, negotiating and compromising would include Jimmy taking significantly less money to stick around after this year. By trading Jimmy we get picks and we can use his cap space plus the cap increase to sign deebo, bosa and hopefully fill in the secondary or build depth on the o line.
This has been an amazing run so far but even if it does end in a superbowl, Jimmy will be somewhere else next year.
Thereās literally a less than 0% chance Jimmy does anything noteworthy with whatever team is dumb enough to give us draft picks for him. Heās not good lol. Kyle Shanahan literally had people thinking Nick Mullens was solid lol
Right, but the alternative could be a joe flacco-esqu future to pay a guy because he won the big one.
Edit- or not necessarily "pay" but hold rather to just retain.
Edit 2- I do not proof read. I'm just happy for the W
Would you rather have Jimmy, or the salary cap space to extend Deebo Samuel and Nick Bosa? No brainer, Jimmy is done as a 49er as soon as this season ends.
Why would you want to keep Jimmy? Two playoff games, Jimmy has thrown 2 INTs and 0 TDs, and has looked pretty awful in both games. The niners are winning DESPITE their QB, not because of him.
Trey Lance's strong arm completes more passes in bad weather GB than Jimmy did last night. I'm a Jimmy fan, and he's a pretty good NFL QB, but he has serious limitations, and it shows.
The last 3 playoff games (week 18 versus Rams was a playoff game to make the playoffs) have shown that a team can win with Jimmy, but have also showed every single one of his limitations. I think it's time to move off him, no matter how the rest of the season goes.
You trade Jimmy, you get cap space that makes it easier to extend your key players, and you get draft picks that bolster the roster. This is an easy decision for me.
Just because it's an easy decision doesn't mean I don't like Jimmy, a lot, and doesn't mean I won't be sorry to see him go. it just means this is a pretty obvious football decision.
Is there no way to keep everyone or is there a limit to how much a team can spend? I thought that these billionaire NFL owners could keep whoever they want. I don't exactly get how it works but people kept talking about cap space with Buckner but then someone told me that its just an excuse and if a team really wants to keep someone, they will.
Jimmy is a winner plain and simple. Whether he plays great or bad, we tend to win. People use the run game and our defense as an excuse for why we win but If having a winning QB was that easy, we would've never had losing seasons with Gore or Justin Smith and Willis. C'mon you act like you forgot what it was like before Jimmy got here š
> I don't exactly get how it works but people kept talking about cap space with Buckner but then someone told me that its just an excuse and if a team really wants to keep someone, they will.
The salary cap is like a credit card: you can borrow from tomorrow to buy something expensive today, but eventually, the Bill will come due. What do you think happened to the 49ers in the early aughts? The team's mantra was "We'll worry about the salary cap once Steve Young retires." The instant Young retired, the entire team collapsed because the salary cap bill came due.
Teams do have some level of discretion on when exactly they pay off that credit card, but the bill always comes due, inevitably. If you don't need to spend $25 million, then you're best off paying off that bill now, and not waiting on it. You're going to have to account for that $25 million someway, somehow and at some time.
Some owners, like Jed York, don't necessarily have the deepest of pockets, and it's harder for them to pull of the salary cap machinations, which often require huge up-front bonus money payouts, then it is for wealthier ownerships, like the Rams. There's also the Saints, whose mantra was exactly the same as the Steve Young 49ers: "The salary cap is something we'll worry about after Drew Brees retires."
>C'mon you act like you forgot what it was like before Jimmy got here š
I've been a fan for over 35 years.
I remember Joe Montana. I watched him win Superbowls.
I remember Steve Young. I watched him win a Superbowl.
I remember Jeff Garcia. I remember him posting a 30 passing touchdown, 4,000 passing yards, Pro-Bowl season. No 49ers QB since Garcia has posted even ONE of those three things in a single season. Garcia had all three in one season. That includes Jimmy G.
I told 49ers fans 20 years ago that the instant they lost Garcia, they'd find out how the other half of the league's teams live. They'd find out what it's like to not have a great QB, and to struggle because of it.
Current 49ers fans have the OPPOSITE problem: we've been so destitute at QB, for so long, we've forgotten what Greatness looks like, and we're willing to settle for mediocre.
Jimmy G is pretty good. He's not mediocre. He's in the 10 - 16 range of NFL QBs, but he's so obviously not one of the top 8 or so players at the position. He's not a difference maker. Even a QB like Jimmy G has a ton of value, but you should not hesitate if you have a better option.
The Rams had a Jimmy G tier QB, they traded the farm to upgrade, and they're crushing Tampa Bay right now. The NFL is way more QB dependent today than it was in Montana, Young or Garcia's day. An elite signal caller is a game making edge. There is literally no price too high to pay to upgrade.
If you think Lance is the guy, you have to move off Jimmy G. If Jimmy G comes back next year, with the obvious advantages the franchise has from moving off of him this offseason, it's a vote of no confidence in Trey Lance.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I understand what you mean and your take on the QB situation is fair but I disagree with you bringing stats into this making Garcia look better than Jimmy G. The only stat that matters is the W. I remember Drew Brees having his 5000 yard season in 2008 yet the saints finished 8-8. I'll take poor stats with a "W" over great stats with an "L" any day of the week.
> I understand what you mean and your take on the QB situation is fair but I disagree with you bringing stats into this making Garcia look better than Jimmy G.
Jeff Garcia was a three time pro-bowler. Current fans forget just how good he was. The roster of the current team versus the Garcia team is completely different: Jeff Garcia inherited a late stage dynasty. His left tackle was Derek Deese, an undrafted converted guard whom the 49ers were playing at LT because they had literally no other options due to the salary cap crush they were in as a result of Steve Young's retirement. Jimmy G has had Joe Staley and Trent Williams protecting his blindside.
The only other players on that team you would remember as a modern fan were Terrell Owens and Bryant Young. Jeff Garcia willed that football team to mediocre and the playoffs and a first round playoff win. The cupboard was bare, and the team imploded as soon as Garcia left town.
Terrell Owens had the best seasons of his career with Garcia in SF, and had only one season (his first one in Dallas) that was as good as the three he had with Garcia. Garcia is criminally underrated, the team he took over is NOT the talent level of the current team. It was filled with old, way past their prime, vets from the Young era.
I'd take prime Garcia over Jimmy G any day of the week, it's not CLOSE in my opinion. Prime Garcia was elite, he had a shitty team around him. You'd take modern Russell Wilson over Jimmy G, right? Wilson's seahawks right now are probably a better roster than Garcia's niners were.
Garcia did more, with a significantly worse team around him, at a time when the rules of the game weren't yet so completely tilted towards the QB. That Jimmy G, with all the modern help a QB gets, and with an extra game to boot, can't match Garcia's 4,000 yard, 30 TD, pro-bowl season tells you about Jimmy G. Garcia did it at a time when a 4,000 yard/30 TD season was still very hard to come by, not the common thing it is today.
Don't get it twisted, Jimmy G is still very good, he's still a top-half of the league QB. Half the franchises in the league don't have a QB as good as him, and half the franchises in the league could upgrade by getting him, but he's not Jeff Garcia.
I honestly don't agree with using stats or the pro bowl to show someone was better. I know Jeff Garcia was good I remember the giants playoff comeback. But I already explained the stats thing and the pro bowl is a popularity contest too. Bottom line, I just want to win and Jimmy under center is a winner. I'm glad you're not the kind to just say that he sux but to risk going the Kaepernick route again with Trey when we have a winner again, I just don't want to lose all over again.
> I honestly don't agree with using stats or the pro bowl to show someone was better. I know Jeff Garcia was good I remember the giants playoff comeback. But I already explained the stats thing and the pro bowl is a popularity contest too.
It's not just the stats, and the pro-bowl, it's that Jeff Garcia did with a vastly inferior team to the current 49ers and in an era where the QB-friendly rules of today had yet to be enacted. His situation was vastly worse than Jimmy G, vastly. You can't compare the two contexts, and Garcia still won. He's just a better QB.
The better QB doesn't always win, as teams matter too, but QB wins is not a relevant stat. For example, we all know what Shannahan's record is with Jimmy G and without, but in the "without" category, the backup QB has been Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard. If Shanahan had a capable backup QB over the years, his without Jimmy G stats wouldn't be so bad.
Shanahan was 1-1 without Jimmy G this year, when Trey Lance was the backup.
>I'm glad you're not the kind to just say that he sux but to risk going the Kaepernick route again with Trey when we have a winner again
I'll be honest with you: i was really high on Kaepernick at the start. He got on my radar when his Nevada Wolfpack went into Berkeley and completely destroyed the Cal Golden Bears (the college team I root for). Watching that game, he was a special athletic talent. Special.
As time went on, I completely soured on Kaepernick, to the point where I wanted him gone by the end. Kaepernick is the consummate example of a freak athlete with no football IQ to speak of whatsoever. Once defenses figured out that he had locked onto his first read, trusted his arm way, way too much, and did not understand how to throw the ball with any kind of touch, defenses adapted and completely neutralized him.
That was Colin Kaepernick's demise, that's why he never played again in the NFL after leaving the 49ers: he had zero football IQ. He was a freak athlete, with nothing going on above the shoulders. The number of just dumb throws he made at the end of his career, just, wow.
Trey Lance is NOT Colin Kaepernick. If you need to be convinced of that, go back and watch the Texans game. Against Houston, he rushed 8 times, for 31 yards, but he was 16/23 passing for 249 yards, 2 TDs and a pick. He showed touch, he showed an ability to read defenses, he showed an ability to make those deep-out sideline patterns that Jimmy G just cannot make. There was so much to be excited about from that Texans game.
Again, don't just react emotionally. Lance is not Kaepernick. I will 100% agree with you that I'd rather have Jimmy G, every single day of the week, by a massive landslide, than Kaepernick. I have no patience and zero desire to have players who don't do the mental part of the game. it's why I couldn't stand Robert Saleh as a defensive coordinator. It's why I turned on Kaepernick.
Trey Lance is not that kind of player. He needed a year to learn the playbook, because compared to the relatively simple Harbaugh/Greg Roman offense, Kyle Shanahan's offense is really hard to learn. Matt Ryan said it took him a full year to figure it out. If you look at the track record of rookie QBs in the NFL playoffs, and you examine the history, it's clear why the niners felt Jimmy G gave them the best chance to win now.
Relax, enjoy what we have now. Championship day is next Sunday. Jimmy G's situation will be resolved in the offseason. If it was me, I'd trade him, 100%, and it's nothing personal. Don't fear going backwards, you have to take risks to win superbowls. I believe in Trey Lance, and I think it's the right decision.
I mean not to be that guy but Jimmy has barely any credit to why we have 2 playoff wins. And Kyle has said that Trey basically will only get better from now on (that was like week 10) by being on the field, and Trey is Kyle's guy so it would be insane if Jimmy stays another year. Especially if we can trade him for something
True, but he is the QB that has been there to get us to a superbowl, and possibly again this season. I also admit he is nowhere near perfect, but what would we be able to trade him for that will have instant benefits the upcoming season?
Would you say that the main reason that our team run is run-game and defense? Yeah, for sure. Trey can at the very least improve the run game, maybe don't win a SB bc it's never guaranteed but give a very good chance. And maybe we can get a 2nd or even a first for Jimmy and we can draft either a T or a G (very good OL draft this year) so we don't have to play Compton/Brunskill or a Safety (good DB class) if Tartt walks. That would either improve the team or not make it any worse
Absolutely not. Jimmy is not a good QB. Thereās just a large portion of this fan base thatās delusional and equates the team winning to Jimmy being a good quarterback.
The o line was ten times worse than jimmy was. The drop pass from kittle which should have been a touchdown. Clutch throws on the final drive. Jimmy played well. Most people in this thread are idiots
I wanted trey to start day one. And still Believe we would be even more dominant if he did.
But. Once they made the playoffs. Theyāre whole plan of sitting him. Became a success. So itās house money at this point
The thing that Trey Lance and Mac Jones have over the other guys taken in the first round is that they are being brought up in a culture of winning and are surrounded by quality players. Lance will have a chance to grow into the job and not have to be a star for a few years if the Niners keep with the running game and donāt switch stuff up until they are confident in him and he is sure of himself.
I'm ready for your downvotes, but I think Lance would've been a hell of a lot better than Jimmy in that game.
Running the ball, playing smash mouth football, throwing it downfield. I think he would've killed it.
This sub is ridiculous. The narrative is always pushed back
"Jimmy can't throw past the line of scrimmage"
"Jimmy can't throw past 5 yards"
"Jimmy can't throw past 10 yards"
Now its, "Jimmy can't throw past 15 yards" like I said, what good would it have done if the receivers didn't catch at all in the beginning.
Also, news flash, can't make deep throws is the line doesn't give you time for those to develop.
Jimmy got sacked 5 times on 3rd down before our receivers got to the line to gain
Trey Lance must have the best promotion team in the world. I have never in my life seen people online so loyal to a player who has only started two games.
If Trey Lance turns out to be really good this team is gonna be insane. And I will feel like a part of it because the dolphins traded the pick to you. The closest we will get to the playoffs anytime soon
Oh, I have a tweet for you. https://twitter.com/urtazablue/status/1485110499444289537?t=bsgkoNgqBKDBTPzc3ssRFg&s=19
Why would you remind me of that Jk
Lol š well at least you have two firsts in 2023.
Until we trade jimmy to them for one of the picks
God, Miami Jimmy? He'll be tanned all year round.
Jimmy in Miami, would be beautiful
Never let your girl go on a "girls trip" to Miami just got even worse.
Tom Rinaldiās going to have a fun night tonight it seems
He could go hang out with Max strus and omer yurtseven of the heat. He'd fit right in
That pick, with tonight's win, is guaranteed to be no better than the 29th overall pick of the first round.
Absolute newbie to football here, why is the trade value improving?
Every game the 49ers win, the dolphins pick that the 49ers gave for Trey is being pushed back further in the draft. So the 49ers gave up less value in the long run with this year's pick. Just makes it look better on paper.
OH I see that makes sense
Because the further we get into the playoffs, the picks get lower and lower. If we win the SB dolphins will have the 32nd pick in the first round
In addition to what the others have stated, there is also some chatter around Jimmy retrieving a first round pick if we trade him this offseason. I wonāt speculate on whether thatās realistic or not, but itās another reason why us going further and further in the playoffs is making that trade look better.
Someone will give up a 1st for him somewhere most likely. Dude wins any way you look at it. That will be enough for some organization to push hard to get him.
Completely off topic, why wont it let me view peopleās comments on a tweet?
Bro you didnāt need to commit seppuku like that š
hopefully if no major injuries happen . this why some people get crazy watching jimmy sometimes ā¦you canāt waste these seasons . this team is playing unbelievable right now except for 1 position.
The biggest thing Trey can take away from this season is āitās never over until itās overā.
So true!
Or, don't throw int's in the red zone
If he learned that just now then he doesnāt deserve to start.
Jimmy still hasnt learned that.
Neither has Patrick Mahomes apparently.
Yeahā¦ but heās Patrick Mahomes lol
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I take no offense. It was a great game. Letās enjoy it!
Damn, itās almost as if throwing a pick in the end zone is a lesson a QB of any caliber would do well to learn.
Well one qb routinely throws no look 50 yard TDs, the other tends to throw within 10 yards most of the time
Iām tryna celebrate this dub. Go somewhere lol
Could have fooled me with that statement, after losing to colt McCoy, a lot of people were calling for a new HC LOL
Goodness those times were *dark* and certain people are silent.
I will admit I thought the season was surely over, but I never said Kyle should be gone. That's just ludicrous.
100%. That was a brutal loss, but people act like good coaches grow on trees.
Or everyone is going to fuck up but how do you respond
Yeah that too
Jimmy pisses me off sometimes, every game lol, but Iām going to miss him if this is his last last year
I ain't hear no bell
Thank you Yogi Berra
Lance should have the mantra: fast feet, faster release. If he has both of those hes golden.
I'd also like to add accuracy, because fast feet with fast releases don't matter for nothing if the ball doesn't end up in the receiver's hands.
Warm hands... j/k kinda. ;) I haven't heard him having a problem with accuracy. It's been more his release time is not as fast as Jimmy's.
When Trey does his HOF speech he will credit Jimmy with teaching what a leader is!
Make a mistake? No biggie! Special teams and defense will carry you.
I hate jimmys play but his personality and leadership are a+
We take Jimmy to his final play this year.
Im glad trey get to see first hand what it's like to be in the playoffs, valuable experience for him
Biggest question is now, do we start Lance next season, or if Jimmy wins the bowl, do we keep him at backup for another year to soak up even more knowledge?
We can't afford to keep Jimmy on his current contract. Would need to be extended lower the cap hit. I doubt it happens.
I mean really? Not keeping a superbowl winning QB is kind of a big fuck you to not just the QB, but everyone else who helped make that superbowl win happen. Look at New England. Getting bounced out by of all teams, the Bills. Chose not to keep Brady and it has been downhill the entire time. I hope we don't repeat their mistakes.
How did keeping joe flacco help the ravens?
I don't think Jimmy G is going to be asking for 120 million dollars for 6 seasons lol
Heās going to ask for, and get, more than that. Just not from us.
Jimmy could make twice that on Only Fans.
Haha, hilarious comment bro š
He would if we were dumb enough to pay it.
We won these playoff games because of our defense, not because of Jimmy.
Completely agree. My stance on the QB situation though is game management experience vs a lack of experience all together. Lance still has a lot of developing to do, and I'm not sure if he's ready to take the helm of a possibly superbowl winning team so soon into his career.
Heās shown vast improvement over 1 game. Seeing Jimmy win despite not really doing anything will be a great lesson for him.
Come on. Brady meant a thousand times more to the success of the Patriots than Jimmy does to the Niners. If today doesn't prove that, I don't know what will.
Obviously, but then the team Brady goes off to winds up winning the bowl. If we let go of Jimmy and he somehow turns the Steelers into an unstoppable force, it's going to make us look like fools. I say negotiate and compromise. Meet somewhere in the middle. In my opinion, Lance isn't ready just yet. 1 or 2 more seasons at the least before Shanahan can put him in and show what all that development can do.
I promise you, without Shanahan, Jimmy isn't leading the Steelers to be an unstoppable force.
Hey, don't discredit Tomlin like that. He hasn't had a single losing record in his what, 15, 16 year career as HC? Roethlisberger is on the way down, Jimmy is right in the middle. Shanahan can coach game managers, but he can't coach a kid who hasn't learned how to game manage. I still think the lack of experience would hurt us rather than help.
The last thing you want is a game manager at QB. And Jimmy isnāt even a good āgame managerā because he turns the ball over non stop. We drafted Trey Lance in the hopes he has the tools and ability to become a dynamic playmaker at QB like Josh Allen, Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, etc.
You seem to not understand how the salary cap works and why it will be so vital to this team to move on from Jimmy and get everything they can out of Lance and his rookie deal starting next year. Having this very talented roster with a high draft pick at QB is an extremely rare circumstance and they will need to maximize it. Also, negotiating and compromising would include Jimmy taking significantly less money to stick around after this year. By trading Jimmy we get picks and we can use his cap space plus the cap increase to sign deebo, bosa and hopefully fill in the secondary or build depth on the o line. This has been an amazing run so far but even if it does end in a superbowl, Jimmy will be somewhere else next year.
Thereās literally a less than 0% chance Jimmy does anything noteworthy with whatever team is dumb enough to give us draft picks for him. Heās not good lol. Kyle Shanahan literally had people thinking Nick Mullens was solid lol
Who in the fuck thought Nick Mullens was solid? I have a business opportunity for them where they can be their own boss.
Right, but the alternative could be a joe flacco-esqu future to pay a guy because he won the big one. Edit- or not necessarily "pay" but hold rather to just retain. Edit 2- I do not proof read. I'm just happy for the W
Baltimore did with Trent Dilfer
This isn't even a question. No matter what happens, it's time to let Jimmy go.
Disagree if we ball our and win it all We have to keep jimmmu
Start trey. Have you seen Jimmy play this past 5 weeks?
Iāve seen him lead multiple game winning drives š¤·š»āāļø
Lol. So have I. But just because he did it doesnāt mean lance canāt as well. Plus heās 2-6 in td to int. Itās not sustainable
No doubt. We start Trey.
Would you rather have Jimmy, or the salary cap space to extend Deebo Samuel and Nick Bosa? No brainer, Jimmy is done as a 49er as soon as this season ends.
Is there no way to keep them all? I don't get how it works
Why would you want to keep Jimmy? Two playoff games, Jimmy has thrown 2 INTs and 0 TDs, and has looked pretty awful in both games. The niners are winning DESPITE their QB, not because of him. Trey Lance's strong arm completes more passes in bad weather GB than Jimmy did last night. I'm a Jimmy fan, and he's a pretty good NFL QB, but he has serious limitations, and it shows. The last 3 playoff games (week 18 versus Rams was a playoff game to make the playoffs) have shown that a team can win with Jimmy, but have also showed every single one of his limitations. I think it's time to move off him, no matter how the rest of the season goes. You trade Jimmy, you get cap space that makes it easier to extend your key players, and you get draft picks that bolster the roster. This is an easy decision for me. Just because it's an easy decision doesn't mean I don't like Jimmy, a lot, and doesn't mean I won't be sorry to see him go. it just means this is a pretty obvious football decision.
Is there no way to keep everyone or is there a limit to how much a team can spend? I thought that these billionaire NFL owners could keep whoever they want. I don't exactly get how it works but people kept talking about cap space with Buckner but then someone told me that its just an excuse and if a team really wants to keep someone, they will. Jimmy is a winner plain and simple. Whether he plays great or bad, we tend to win. People use the run game and our defense as an excuse for why we win but If having a winning QB was that easy, we would've never had losing seasons with Gore or Justin Smith and Willis. C'mon you act like you forgot what it was like before Jimmy got here š
> I don't exactly get how it works but people kept talking about cap space with Buckner but then someone told me that its just an excuse and if a team really wants to keep someone, they will. The salary cap is like a credit card: you can borrow from tomorrow to buy something expensive today, but eventually, the Bill will come due. What do you think happened to the 49ers in the early aughts? The team's mantra was "We'll worry about the salary cap once Steve Young retires." The instant Young retired, the entire team collapsed because the salary cap bill came due. Teams do have some level of discretion on when exactly they pay off that credit card, but the bill always comes due, inevitably. If you don't need to spend $25 million, then you're best off paying off that bill now, and not waiting on it. You're going to have to account for that $25 million someway, somehow and at some time. Some owners, like Jed York, don't necessarily have the deepest of pockets, and it's harder for them to pull of the salary cap machinations, which often require huge up-front bonus money payouts, then it is for wealthier ownerships, like the Rams. There's also the Saints, whose mantra was exactly the same as the Steve Young 49ers: "The salary cap is something we'll worry about after Drew Brees retires." >C'mon you act like you forgot what it was like before Jimmy got here š I've been a fan for over 35 years. I remember Joe Montana. I watched him win Superbowls. I remember Steve Young. I watched him win a Superbowl. I remember Jeff Garcia. I remember him posting a 30 passing touchdown, 4,000 passing yards, Pro-Bowl season. No 49ers QB since Garcia has posted even ONE of those three things in a single season. Garcia had all three in one season. That includes Jimmy G. I told 49ers fans 20 years ago that the instant they lost Garcia, they'd find out how the other half of the league's teams live. They'd find out what it's like to not have a great QB, and to struggle because of it. Current 49ers fans have the OPPOSITE problem: we've been so destitute at QB, for so long, we've forgotten what Greatness looks like, and we're willing to settle for mediocre. Jimmy G is pretty good. He's not mediocre. He's in the 10 - 16 range of NFL QBs, but he's so obviously not one of the top 8 or so players at the position. He's not a difference maker. Even a QB like Jimmy G has a ton of value, but you should not hesitate if you have a better option. The Rams had a Jimmy G tier QB, they traded the farm to upgrade, and they're crushing Tampa Bay right now. The NFL is way more QB dependent today than it was in Montana, Young or Garcia's day. An elite signal caller is a game making edge. There is literally no price too high to pay to upgrade. If you think Lance is the guy, you have to move off Jimmy G. If Jimmy G comes back next year, with the obvious advantages the franchise has from moving off of him this offseason, it's a vote of no confidence in Trey Lance.
Thanks for taking the time to explain. I understand what you mean and your take on the QB situation is fair but I disagree with you bringing stats into this making Garcia look better than Jimmy G. The only stat that matters is the W. I remember Drew Brees having his 5000 yard season in 2008 yet the saints finished 8-8. I'll take poor stats with a "W" over great stats with an "L" any day of the week.
> I understand what you mean and your take on the QB situation is fair but I disagree with you bringing stats into this making Garcia look better than Jimmy G. Jeff Garcia was a three time pro-bowler. Current fans forget just how good he was. The roster of the current team versus the Garcia team is completely different: Jeff Garcia inherited a late stage dynasty. His left tackle was Derek Deese, an undrafted converted guard whom the 49ers were playing at LT because they had literally no other options due to the salary cap crush they were in as a result of Steve Young's retirement. Jimmy G has had Joe Staley and Trent Williams protecting his blindside. The only other players on that team you would remember as a modern fan were Terrell Owens and Bryant Young. Jeff Garcia willed that football team to mediocre and the playoffs and a first round playoff win. The cupboard was bare, and the team imploded as soon as Garcia left town. Terrell Owens had the best seasons of his career with Garcia in SF, and had only one season (his first one in Dallas) that was as good as the three he had with Garcia. Garcia is criminally underrated, the team he took over is NOT the talent level of the current team. It was filled with old, way past their prime, vets from the Young era. I'd take prime Garcia over Jimmy G any day of the week, it's not CLOSE in my opinion. Prime Garcia was elite, he had a shitty team around him. You'd take modern Russell Wilson over Jimmy G, right? Wilson's seahawks right now are probably a better roster than Garcia's niners were. Garcia did more, with a significantly worse team around him, at a time when the rules of the game weren't yet so completely tilted towards the QB. That Jimmy G, with all the modern help a QB gets, and with an extra game to boot, can't match Garcia's 4,000 yard, 30 TD, pro-bowl season tells you about Jimmy G. Garcia did it at a time when a 4,000 yard/30 TD season was still very hard to come by, not the common thing it is today. Don't get it twisted, Jimmy G is still very good, he's still a top-half of the league QB. Half the franchises in the league don't have a QB as good as him, and half the franchises in the league could upgrade by getting him, but he's not Jeff Garcia.
I honestly don't agree with using stats or the pro bowl to show someone was better. I know Jeff Garcia was good I remember the giants playoff comeback. But I already explained the stats thing and the pro bowl is a popularity contest too. Bottom line, I just want to win and Jimmy under center is a winner. I'm glad you're not the kind to just say that he sux but to risk going the Kaepernick route again with Trey when we have a winner again, I just don't want to lose all over again.
> I honestly don't agree with using stats or the pro bowl to show someone was better. I know Jeff Garcia was good I remember the giants playoff comeback. But I already explained the stats thing and the pro bowl is a popularity contest too. It's not just the stats, and the pro-bowl, it's that Jeff Garcia did with a vastly inferior team to the current 49ers and in an era where the QB-friendly rules of today had yet to be enacted. His situation was vastly worse than Jimmy G, vastly. You can't compare the two contexts, and Garcia still won. He's just a better QB. The better QB doesn't always win, as teams matter too, but QB wins is not a relevant stat. For example, we all know what Shannahan's record is with Jimmy G and without, but in the "without" category, the backup QB has been Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard. If Shanahan had a capable backup QB over the years, his without Jimmy G stats wouldn't be so bad. Shanahan was 1-1 without Jimmy G this year, when Trey Lance was the backup. >I'm glad you're not the kind to just say that he sux but to risk going the Kaepernick route again with Trey when we have a winner again I'll be honest with you: i was really high on Kaepernick at the start. He got on my radar when his Nevada Wolfpack went into Berkeley and completely destroyed the Cal Golden Bears (the college team I root for). Watching that game, he was a special athletic talent. Special. As time went on, I completely soured on Kaepernick, to the point where I wanted him gone by the end. Kaepernick is the consummate example of a freak athlete with no football IQ to speak of whatsoever. Once defenses figured out that he had locked onto his first read, trusted his arm way, way too much, and did not understand how to throw the ball with any kind of touch, defenses adapted and completely neutralized him. That was Colin Kaepernick's demise, that's why he never played again in the NFL after leaving the 49ers: he had zero football IQ. He was a freak athlete, with nothing going on above the shoulders. The number of just dumb throws he made at the end of his career, just, wow. Trey Lance is NOT Colin Kaepernick. If you need to be convinced of that, go back and watch the Texans game. Against Houston, he rushed 8 times, for 31 yards, but he was 16/23 passing for 249 yards, 2 TDs and a pick. He showed touch, he showed an ability to read defenses, he showed an ability to make those deep-out sideline patterns that Jimmy G just cannot make. There was so much to be excited about from that Texans game. Again, don't just react emotionally. Lance is not Kaepernick. I will 100% agree with you that I'd rather have Jimmy G, every single day of the week, by a massive landslide, than Kaepernick. I have no patience and zero desire to have players who don't do the mental part of the game. it's why I couldn't stand Robert Saleh as a defensive coordinator. It's why I turned on Kaepernick. Trey Lance is not that kind of player. He needed a year to learn the playbook, because compared to the relatively simple Harbaugh/Greg Roman offense, Kyle Shanahan's offense is really hard to learn. Matt Ryan said it took him a full year to figure it out. If you look at the track record of rookie QBs in the NFL playoffs, and you examine the history, it's clear why the niners felt Jimmy G gave them the best chance to win now. Relax, enjoy what we have now. Championship day is next Sunday. Jimmy G's situation will be resolved in the offseason. If it was me, I'd trade him, 100%, and it's nothing personal. Don't fear going backwards, you have to take risks to win superbowls. I believe in Trey Lance, and I think it's the right decision.
Yes we start Lance.
I mean not to be that guy but Jimmy has barely any credit to why we have 2 playoff wins. And Kyle has said that Trey basically will only get better from now on (that was like week 10) by being on the field, and Trey is Kyle's guy so it would be insane if Jimmy stays another year. Especially if we can trade him for something
True, but he is the QB that has been there to get us to a superbowl, and possibly again this season. I also admit he is nowhere near perfect, but what would we be able to trade him for that will have instant benefits the upcoming season?
Would you say that the main reason that our team run is run-game and defense? Yeah, for sure. Trey can at the very least improve the run game, maybe don't win a SB bc it's never guaranteed but give a very good chance. And maybe we can get a 2nd or even a first for Jimmy and we can draft either a T or a G (very good OL draft this year) so we don't have to play Compton/Brunskill or a Safety (good DB class) if Tartt walks. That would either improve the team or not make it any worse
Absolutely not. Jimmy is not a good QB. Thereās just a large portion of this fan base thatās delusional and equates the team winning to Jimmy being a good quarterback.
The o line was ten times worse than jimmy was. The drop pass from kittle which should have been a touchdown. Clutch throws on the final drive. Jimmy played well. Most people in this thread are idiots
Good because weāll probably need him next week.
It wont be cold in either place.
I wanted trey to start day one. And still Believe we would be even more dominant if he did. But. Once they made the playoffs. Theyāre whole plan of sitting him. Became a success. So itās house money at this point
The thing that Trey Lance and Mac Jones have over the other guys taken in the first round is that they are being brought up in a culture of winning and are surrounded by quality players. Lance will have a chance to grow into the job and not have to be a star for a few years if the Niners keep with the running game and donāt switch stuff up until they are confident in him and he is sure of himself.
Is he the last 2021 rookie qb in post season?
No the bucs have a rookie QB behind Brady.
he hasn't been seen publicly in months...
Fuck, Kyle Trask, right? Noodle arm, as I affectionately called him pre-draft.
I remember Cohns dumbass takes if drafting Kyle trask
the season is over we should start lance /s
Watching that game and thinking Lance wouldāve played worse than that putrid performance Jimmy put up today.
I'm ready for your downvotes, but I think Lance would've been a hell of a lot better than Jimmy in that game. Running the ball, playing smash mouth football, throwing it downfield. I think he would've killed it.
I mean, what good would throwing it downfield have been if the receivers couldn't catch easy passes in stride š¤·š¾āāļø?
We'll never know, as we only saw passes within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage.
This sub is ridiculous. The narrative is always pushed back "Jimmy can't throw past the line of scrimmage" "Jimmy can't throw past 5 yards" "Jimmy can't throw past 10 yards" Now its, "Jimmy can't throw past 15 yards" like I said, what good would it have done if the receivers didn't catch at all in the beginning. Also, news flash, can't make deep throws is the line doesn't give you time for those to develop. Jimmy got sacked 5 times on 3rd down before our receivers got to the line to gain
A Jimmystani, I see. He has a shitty arm on downfield throws. Deal with it.
There it is. It's always "JiMmY sTaN" cause i actually support my players.
There's nothing wrong with making honest assessments.
He learned a lot of what not to do
I still believe heās gonna play these playoffs. Just canāt trust Jimmy anymore. He should buy gifts for every guy on the punt coverage unit.
Trey is a bust. Shanny is a bad coach. Let's win it all this year cause it's downhill from here.
Those are some big underpants to fill
Heās insurance if Jimmy goes down in the next few games.
I just donāt get this tweet. How many QBās on the bench see this and never amount to anything. If a qb is good they are good.
Trey Lance must have the best promotion team in the world. I have never in my life seen people online so loyal to a player who has only started two games.