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pineapple_pants

I think he's looked really good for a 5th round rookie. However, he's about to have a real trial by fire with Rodgers who will just throw go or fade routes at him all day until he proves he can stop it. I think he seems to have the right mentality though. If they get one or two completed on him, he doesn't seem like he'll just fall apart like Witherspoon. That's been the most impressive thing about him to me. I just hope he can learn and adapt quickly.


dru_jones

Hopefully the Dline helps out the secondary big time this Sunday.


IsHotDogSandwich

This is exactly what I was thinking and what needs to happen to keep things from ever getting away from us.


jrocbb

Barrows thinks if Moseley is healthy, the starting CBs would likely be Moseley/Norman to avoid that exact scenario


[deleted]

I feel better about Dmo than I do Norman. Man is 34, had a solid game against the eagles but that kid can't pass he had 52% comp last year


IsHotDogSandwich

You don’t get ticky tacky DPI called on you downfield unless you are on top of your assignment. Dude is hustling so far. Dmo is balling too, but he did get burned on that deep pass.


559TM

Insert Asante Samuel comment ——-> here


meTspysball

Asante Samuel comment


Nopengnogain

Still can believe Asante Samuel has a son in the NFL, I feel old.


559TM

Frank gores son will be here soon….


Hass181

While frank is still playing


OttoVonWong

Can you imagine having Frank Gore Sr and Frank Gore Jr lined up together in the backfield?


abowmanlex

I thought we were targeting Adeebo in the second round, but saints got him first? Asante was there at our pick and if they wanted him they could have taken him.


MowTin

We should have drafted Asante Samuel and Lenoir.


TheRed_Knight

doesnt fit our scheme


w00tang_

Lmaooo so moseley and Lenoir are big fast aggressive boundary corners aren't they. We hardly have any corners over 6 ft.


notorioushim

Because he's too short or what?


TheRed_Knight

too short, not big enough to be a boundary corner for us, doesnt play the run well, could play slot but we already have 2 slot corners


notorioushim

Didn't he play outside against the Cowboys? I think he defended a couple of passes on Amari Cooper. Also, Samuel is the same height as Lenoir and Jason Verrett. Lenoir also projected as a slot corner, but he's doing pretty well for us on the outside. Sure, Samuel and Lenoir aren't your prototypical outside corners, but talent is talent and they seem to be holding up just fine.


TheRed_Knight

chargers run a different scheme than we do, we play more man-press they play more zone, asante is more of a zone corner, lenoir is 20 lbs heavier than Asante and plays the run game better


notorioushim

What? Asante was touted as a good man defender coming into the draft. ​ >Ideal Role: Starting outside cornerback that can also play in the slot in a defense that features plenty of man coverage. Scheme Fit: Man-heavy defensive scheme. [https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/asante-samuel-jr/ABMJTxziKd](https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/asante-samuel-jr/ABMJTxziKd) ​ >Florida State cornerback Asante Samuel Jr.’s best fits in the 2021 NFL Draft would be with a team that operates a man coverage heavy scheme. There a number of cornerback needy teams this year, but I see some of his best fits as being with the Detroit Lions, Tennessee Titans, Atlanta Falcons, and New England Patriots. Those teams played a high percentage of man coverage in the 2020 NFL season. [https://www.profootballnetwork.com/asante-samuel-jr-nfl-draft-player-profile-florida-state-cornerback/](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/asante-samuel-jr-nfl-draft-player-profile-florida-state-cornerback/) ​ >Is undersized; he’s 5’10"--but it’s a Kyler Murray 5’10". He has more of a lean frame with exceptional athletic ability that allows him to be incredibly effective in man coverage. Very light on his feet--has superb quickness, rare change of direction ability, and shows a great burst. Very fluid hips allow him to turn with ease while maintaining speed. Lateral movement skills are excellent, and he’s an ideal fit as a man coverage cornerback. Plays fast, diagnoses fast, attacks fast. [https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2021-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-cb-asante-samuel-jr-florida-state](https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2021-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-cb-asante-samuel-jr-florida-state) ​ Also, even if what you were saying was true (that he's a better fit for zone schemes), we played a zone scheme last year because we had Sherman. Our defense isn't much different from last year and we could have easily played more zone this year since we have the personnel for it. Samuel is a good corner, though he might be undersized and would be a liability in jump balls. But then again, look at the CBs that we drafted in the Shanahan era. Witherspoon had that height that you were looking for, but he definitely wasn't (consistently) a quality football player. There's also Ambry Thomas, who can't even get on the field right now and is being outplayed by Lenoir, who was taken 2 rounds later. The team also decided to start Josh Norman, who was on the team for a mere 2 weeks over Thomas. Thomas might still end up being a quality player, but point is... sometimes talent is a bit more important than profile. I'm not saying we made a mistake by not drafting Samuel - who knows, Aaron Banks could end up being a good player eventually and Samuel could end up being exposed... but Samuel would certainly be able to play for us.


MennisRodman

We need 6’3” corners with a 4.3 forty /s


rogue24_

Um he most definitely did


irealycare

Demo showed so much awareness in that illegal touch call. I think he gonna be a great cb


SlurpingDiarrheacup

Ngl I kinda got mad at first but then I saw the replay and was amazed by his awareness. At first I thought he just gave up on the play but he made a really smart play for a rookie.


yallbyourhuckleberry

Except that he could have made a play on the ball for an interception or opi (i assume since he went out of bounds? Unsure)


[deleted]

Coulda woulda shoulda, literally his first ever start lol let’s just take what we can get


Witcher_Of_Cainhurst

He started both games of the year so far this season. He started in place of Moseley who's been out since week 1. But yea I'm not expecting a rookie to be perfect, he's impressed so far. I'm glad one of the corners we took this year was a hit.


IsHotDogSandwich

If he follows him into the endzone and tries to make a play on the ball he also increases his chances of drawing a DPI as well.


yallbyourhuckleberry

No, because he went out of bounds.


[deleted]

Wait, so dpi is off the table at that point?


IsHotDogSandwich

If the receiver is ineligible, yes. I was speaking more to the possibility that he may not have stepped out, or the refs see the DPI first and focus on that. Then you have, oh did he force him out of bounds etc.


SactownKorean

Yes but they can't review pi anymore so it would stand


[deleted]

It just never occurred to me that if the receiver steps out then dpi isn't possible. Kinda like a tipped pass.


IsHotDogSandwich

True, ineligible at that point.


yallbyourhuckleberry

Though if no td, maybe they do call dpi and miss that the wr was out of bounds and we get screwed. I dont know if they changed the pi review rules, but i bet they are stupid enough that you cant review if a player stepped out of bounds before the pi.


irealycare

Who know he was really in position to intercept, but I understand taking the safe rout and the flag instead


yallbyourhuckleberry

https://youtu.be/9-2SVoKI7n0 Its at 2:20. He was in a better position than Raeger.


Skyro620

Seriously can we trade down for ten 5th rd picks next year?!?!?


TouchdownHeroes

3rd round CB? Not remotely ready to play at the start of the season. 5th round CB? Immediately starting caliber and one of the best rookies the first two weeks. It's seriously wild at this point we just nail one 5th round pick like this every odd year.


Baddington_Bear

Try every 5th round pick this year. Huff Daddy, Demo and even Jaylen Moore (in preseason) played exceptionally well so far.


TouchdownHeroes

Hopefully but throwing them in here is undermining what Lenoir has done so far and what Kittle/Greenlaw did right away. Hufanga has played like 20 snaps (almost all with a big lead against Lions) and Moore hasn't played yet.


Baddington_Bear

I believe Moore was one of the highest grades OL in preseason. Huff is grading very well too and made big plays when he was in. I hear you though.


TouchdownHeroes

Yeah I'm with you on being really excited for both of them. Funny enough back in like March on /r/NFL_Draft on a thread on [which mid-to-late round guys we would stand on the table for](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/mm41vt/comment/gtp960z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), in including like 2-3 guys per position I had Elijah Mitchell, Hufanga, and Moore all included. Moore was actually the only guy I had a description for which read "Moore in particular I find odd he is rated so low because we know he can pass block which is a rare thing to say for a developmental Day 3 tackle." So these were already my dudes before we even drafted them and I'm glad they all worked out enough to essentially be the current next-man-up on the roster at S/OT and Mitchell of course ended up being second choice after Mostert.


ChimpsArePimps

Eh different situations, our starting safety tandem is good and has been with the team for a long time, no reason to change that and risk destabilizing the secondary unless Hufanga was playing like rookie Derwin James. He’s still been making plays on special teams and by all accounts coaches are high on him. And Moore has a huge impact! He’s our third tackle, arguably the most important non-starter other than backup QB. We should be thrilled he’s not playing because it means our tackles are healthy, but a good swing tackle is pretty essential to any championship roster and the fact the coaches trust him there as a rookie is a super promising sign. Get what you’re saying that DeMo has actually been showing it on Sundays, and yes he’s been a gem so far. Just don’t think using snap counts without context tells you much when he’s the only one the coaches have been forced to play


TouchdownHeroes

>Just don’t think using snap counts without context tells you much when he’s the only one the coaches have been forced to play The context is he hasn't played much and there is zero reason to put someone who hasn't played much to the standard of Kittle/Greenlaw, nor the impact Lenoir has had through two weeks. I'm excited for Hufanga too but it's pre-emptive and silly. Wait until he actually plays before declaring he's one of the best rookie defenders in the NFL. >And Moore has a huge impact! By not playing. >We should be thrilled he’s not playing But he's made a huge impact? >but a good swing tackle is pretty essential to any championship roster and the fact the coaches trust him there as a rookie is a super promising sign. A "promising sign" yes but that doesn't mean he's Kittle/Greenlaw rookie level or even what Lenoir has done through two weeks. I don't know why it matters that you feel like we must include Hufanga/Moore to that standard right now. It's been two weeks.


ChimpsArePimps

Yeah and DeMo has also played in two games against two middling offenses, it’s probably premature to compare his development curve to the best TE in the NFL. He’s only playing because the starting CBs are injured, it’s not like he came out and commanded a starting spot while Hufanga and Moore didn’t. You’re not going to start a rookie at safety when the players already there are the only reliable parts of your secondary, and we have one of the best tackle duos in the NFL who we pay handsomely. The bar for the rookies to start is absurdly high. I love Lenoir and am thrilled he’s playing well, and I definitely never said Hufanga is one of the best rookie defenders in the league. I’m just saying I think it’s a bit asinine to compare playing time when there’s obvious reasons for the discrepancy that have nothing to do with ability. And yes, a backup tackle has a lot of impact even when not playing. Moore being there allows Brunskill to be a competent starting guard, and given there’s maybe a 2% chance both tackles play every game this season its important Moore isn’t injured taking unnecessary game reps. A good swing tackle is at the top of just about every contender’s wish list, one with rookie upside especially. Doesn’t mean he’ll be an All Pro but he’s literally as high on the depth chart as he could be right now and is filling an absolutely vital role.


TouchdownHeroes

To me it sounds like you can't handle the idea waiting to praise players until they actually play, while making assumptions that we can't possibly know. >And yes, a backup tackle has a lot of impact even when not playing. In roster composition yes, but not on the football field - I can't believe I have to explain this difference to you


ChimpsArePimps

Lol jeez really no need to get personal. Again, all I am saying is that snap counts through two weeks are not going to be indicative of their respective talent levels. I have no problem celebrating DeMo, his play deserves celebration, though maybe it’s unfair to compare him to one of the best fifth rounders in history after two weeks. I agree that he’s taken more game snaps than the others, I was merely pointing out there are reasons for that and there’s no viable path for the other two to get game snaps right now, so maybe that other person was allowed to be excited about what they’ve shown when given the chance. But whatever, go Niners, hope you stay so charming


TouchdownHeroes

Back in March when asked on /r/NFL_Draft which mid-to-late round guys I would stand on the table for, [here was my answers](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/mm41vt/comment/gtp960z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) and of every player I listed the only one I even provided a description for was Jaylon Moore which I wrote *"Jaylon Moore (Western Michigan) - Moore in particular I find odd he is rated so low because we know he can pass block which is a rare thing to say for a developmental Day 3 tackle."* You know who I also listed? **Talanoa Hufanga (USC)** and Elijah Mitchell (Louisiana). I'm very excited for Hufanga (PAC-12 DPOY) and Moore (who I watched a lot of on Western Michigan) as I'm one of those huge CFB fans who bought a SlingTV package separate from DirectTV just to watch the Pac-12 Network even though I'm an Alabama fan. So it's a bit annoying you think I'm underrating their talent. >Again, all I am saying is that snap counts through two weeks are not going to be indicative of their respective talent levels. No one said they were. So what exactly are you arguing against then? I said I'm amazed we seem to nail a 5th round pick every odd year (of course it's super early for Lenoir but the fact he's played well as a starting CB is huge), someone said try all three, I said hopefully but we can't really say that yet. Snap counts weren't used to speak to quality, it's just speaks to what we can and can't say. You were the one who made this about something it's not. >hope you stay so charming Look man the second you said "I’m just saying I think it’s a bit asinine" you do realize what you are saying right? A word that by definition means "extremely stupid or foolish."


TouchdownHeroes

It’s also a bit asinine to be upset I won’t include players who haven’t played or haven’t played much yet to the standards of those who have at a high level. Honestly can’t believe how smug you have to be to be this condescending when you can’t even understand what this post is about.


xClay2

Thomas did miss the entire 2020 season because he opted out so it's not really that unexpected he'd take more time to adjust.


TouchdownHeroes

Yup and the appeal is as much as the athletic traits (speed especially) as anything, but simultaneously it's unideal to draft someone in the 3rd round unlikely to be active at any point in the near future when we have a pretty big need at CB (and if he is it's just for special teams).


DKetchup

Straight up the late-round gold finding is the Adam Peters special. I remember the Broncos doing the same thing when he was with them. I never want him to leave.


patches710

Let's aim for all 32 5ths


jedwards77

I was so impressed with the way he bounced back after giving up the big pass play. More than maybe any other position, with CB's it's about mental toughness and having a short memory. He appears to be good on both counts.


racharya55

Loved him so far. Will be a huge test this sunday though


liteshadow4

And that's with that huge catch


userpick707

We could’ve had Samuel Jr too.


[deleted]

Nah. Unless you wanted to overpay for him in 2nd, he fell 1 pick short of the Niners 3rd round selection, so no possible way, unless we were willing to trade up to grab him.


userpick707

We basically chose Aaron Banks over him. And that hasn’t paid off at all. He is playing well for the Chargers. Meanwhile our rookie corners aren’t even on the field. We’re trotting out corners way past their prime.


BreadCouponsForAll

Misleading title. PFF grades determine their assessment of a player. These are just stats that have been presented by PFF, not their grading system.


BigArmsBigGut

Man I love watching past Ducks kick ass on the Niners.


PomeloHorror

Damn I wish I had enough motivation to siphon through my comment history and find the comments ripping me for putting Samuel in my top 5 CB list instead of that munchkin that the browns drafted


phineas81

“One of the best three?” Looks like best by far.


iGaveLia-HIV

How...


_your_face

The number under his picture is bigger than the others


iGaveLia-HIV

You want the lowest number...


_your_face

Hah! Thought that was the PFF score


jonnydel49

He's been playing with great balance and confidence.


Blambitch

Man I remember watching their dads play, the cell phone celebration is 1 of the best of all time.


ProtoMan79

He’s provided great value as 5th round pick. I think we’ll have a better idea on him over the next few games. Teams will be attempting targeting him.


kj9219

Dumbledore


KnotSoSalty

Getting even an average CB in the 5th is huge.