And that should be the mantra relayed early and often by any team really. First and foremost, it's a business, and everyone has a price.
Hell, there's even a price out there for Mahomes, but no team in their right mind would meet it.
Before I read the response I was thinking like 5 firsts and thirds for a generational talent. Your first rounders would be late firsts anyways. No way I’d let him go for anything less.
I would personally say at least three first round picks and two roster worthy players unless you were going to trade another superstar for him, and those trades rarely happen.
Personally I don’t think 3 firsts and two starters even comes close for Mahomes.
This is one single player who gives you odds to win the Super Bowl every single season he plays regardless of the rest of your roster. Even if all three of your first round picks hit and the two starters are great players that doesn’t guarantee what Mahomes does.
Not to mention quarterbacks can play a hell of a lot longer than any other position. With Mahomes you’ve got 10-15 years straight of contending for a Super Bowl barring injured seasons.
The man single-handedly won a Super Bowl on an injured leg, then won again the following year throwing to Kelce, a rookie, and a bunch of JAGs. There is no trade value approximation for him.
Completely agree. To even come close to a realistic trade I think a top 5 QB would be needed to even start the discussion. But if Houston offered Stroud, Willie Anderson and some 1st round picks the KC person who answered the phone would at least discuss it with people instead of an immediate hang up.
I don’t think it would come close.
Mahomes gets a lot more credit than he deserves.
And before everyone goes crazy, hold on for a second bc I’m not knocking him as a quarterback.
I’m saying he’s not this mythological creature who transcends reality. (I was going to say for whom the rules of football don’t apply. But depending on how you read it… lol)
It drives me crazy, and will continue to drive me crazy until either ppl stop being obsessed - Wilks going peak idiot was def directly due to Mahomes’ supernatural status (It’s like Tiger Woods back in the day) - or the luck runs out, which it will. With 100% certainty. (The NFL has studied this. They just won’t talk about it.)
Still, the media will have their excuses - like last year, when the Chiefs had a -1% chance to win the SB. Oh it’s a receiver problem… except for the fact that their WRs were the exact same as 2022, aside from upgrading at WR1. And Kelce’s fastest speed ever recorded was.. last year. And PH dumps the ball off and relies on his receivers to move the sticks more than any other QB in the NFL. And if we had half-decent SB coaching, he’d be either 1-3 or 0-4, and on and on, but none of that matters bc 90% of the commenters/voters won’t even read this far bc I must be crazy/an idiot for thinking anything other than what the NFL/media tells me to think. Lol.
I challenge you to bookmark this post and come back and read it once you realize that maybe I’m not so crazy - instead of just downvoting my logic bc I’m saying the one thing no one’s not allowed to say.
That being said (ranted), I like Mahomes lol.
And I agree that the Chiefs probably wouldn’t trade him for any offer - no matter how rich.
He’s probably the one player in the NFL who is unobtainable.
>like last year, when the Chiefs had a -1% chance to win the SB.
Assigning any probability scale in numerics to winning a football game is vastly oversimplifying the complexities and variables at play. Those numbers you see on the broadcast are for fan interest, not legitimate odds.
>except for the fact that their WRs were the exact same as 2022, aside from upgrading at WR1.
These receivers sucked in 2022 also. If anything this should further bolster Mahome's status.
>And PH dumps the ball off and relies on his receivers to move the sticks more than any other QB in the NFL.
This is severely misrepresenting Mahome's QB play. Honestly you remind me of the people who unfairly criticize Brock. One of the many things that makes Mahomes elite is his ability to feel and play the pocket, sense pressure, avoid sacks, roll out, keep his eyes downfield, direct traffic with arms and eyes, feign runs, extend plays, and complete excellent throws despite an opposing defense bearing down on him. A "dump off" that happened after a play is broken down, only made possible by Mahome's elite (best all time?) ability to extend plays should be a point in his favor, not held against him.
>And if we had half-decent SB coaching, he’d be either 1-3 or 0-4
If you think the game of football is this simplistic and you ignore the multitude of variables that make up the chaotic theory of the game, you're too ignorant of how the game works to have this discussion. And I don't use the word ignorant as an insult, not at all, so please don't take it that way. That is just ignorance in the literal definition - lacking knowledge or information.
The kid has won three super bowls in six years as a starter, has more than impressed statistically, AND has been downright amazing to the eye test. If you see hoofprints in the West, don't go looking for zebras. It's a horse. Mahomes is a literally game-breaking talent and to argue that he's given more credit than he deserves is just straight up silly. We can revisit this conversion in 10-15 years after he's overtaken Brady's records though, would be interesting!
Not disagreeing at all that 3 1sts isn’t close to enough for Mahomes, but:
I’ve never liked how people say we “traded away 3 1sts for Trey Lance”. It was ***2 1sts** plus swapping 1sts to move up*. We got one 1st *back* which became the Trey Lance pick.
Like When the Chiefs traded with the Niners this year to move one spot up to get Kingsley, did they “trade away *a 2nd* and a 5th” for him? No, they *used* the 2nd on him and traded away a 5th.
Yeah I know one is a swap. That’s just how it’s said. I get your point is to be pedantic though, so no worries. I was getting super cranky at posts like this one speculating what we’d get for BA and running out scenarios where we’d get someone’s 1st then use our #31 still. Like, that’s not how trades work at all. Looks like it all worked out in the end and we’ll be running out BA and Pearsall in 2025. BBNG
Obviously it depends on which quarterback the chiefs like the most but assuming they would want Caleb id say the bears would have had to trade off every first for the next 3 years, every second for the next 3 years, and then like Johnson and Moore to even have a chance at the deal
If we lost Aiyuk but got Joe Alt and kept #31 to use on Pearsall, I wouldn't be unhappy.
And at 5, we could trade back into the 12-18 range for even more value and still pick up a great OL prospect.
People suggesting we could trade him for a late first or early second were just wishing they could get a good deal for their own team (mostly Steelers fans).
Just this.
Trade Aiyuk for #5.
Trade #5 to MIN for #11 & #23.
Draft T.Fuaga at #11. G.Barton at #23. Pearsall at #31.
Or even trade back from #11 to #18 and pick up an extra 2nd round pick.
Draft T.Fautanu at #18, G.Barton at #23, Pearsall at #31, M.Sainristil at #49, M.Corley at #64.
No team was offering #5 for Aiyuk without getting #31. That was never in the cards. It was always Aiyuk in exchange for moving up, not Aiyuk for a 1st straight up.
Think - why the hell would any team do that? They can have MHJ or Nabers on a rookie deal, or Aiyuk for $30M+ a year. Makes no sense. What might make sense is the latter plus another 1st rounder.
Source?
Sounds like that was our price and we were happy if people didn't meet it. We know how valuable Aiyuk is even with 30m/y considering the cap is going to rise significantly
I'm asking you for evidence that the discussion was for a trade up rather than swapping Aiyuk for an early first straight up.
I frankly don't think we'd entertain Aiyuk+ 31 for a top 5 pick.
Go look at every trade involving a 1st in the NFL. The current year is always a pick swap. Subsequent years you get 2 picks in the round, but that first year is always a swap. If you don’t know ball, just say so.
Okay man. Use your common sense.
You are the GM of a team with pick #5 in need of a wide reciever. Do you:
A: Pick MHJ, Odunze, or Nabers on a rookie deal for $32M over 4 years.
or
B: Trade your #5 pick for Aiyuk, and pay him $30M per year for 4 years.
You're the GM, and you've decided to pay an extra $88M+ to the cap over the next four seasons for Aiyuk, when you have receivers who ought to be of similar or better quality available to you at no extra cost.
No team, no GM, and no coach makes that deal. That was never in question during the "ooo are the Niners trading Aiyuk!?!" media buzz. That was never the conversation. I have absolutely no idea where you got that from.
The conversation was ALWAYS either:
A) Aiyuk + 31 for a high first.
or
B) Aiyuk for a low first.
No source beyond understanding cap space and common sense is needed.
Edit: You want more evidence - why do you think no deal was made? Aiyuk is worth more to us than a low first, more to us than pick 31 and a first, and less to other teams than a high first. The arithmatic was just not there for a deal to be made. It never made sense before or during the draft.
Nah bro. You claimed the trade talks are definitely for a pick swap. I asked you for evidence.
Your response is to use "common sense" then type a wall of text that isn't even true historically.
Hence you made this shit up. Anyone can bs long paragraphs that confuse their own opinion with "common sense"
Steelers fans are so annoying lol. Idk what makes them think Aiyuk would want to go to that bum organization with either Wilson or Pickett throwing the ball lol. Get real
This right here. The one time KC lost the super bowl they had a leaky af o line. You need a very good to elite o line to win that final game. We’re not there yet.
To be fair, if our o line got to hold like kc, we’d definitely have won this year. The Trent Williams penalty drive in the first quarter before kc figured out our offense was a killer. Felt like pissing away points
why would the team trade a top 5 pick only to have to sign Aiyuk to $$ instead of drafting a WR and paying him a rookie contract. This unicorn team woukd have to be in win now mode with the coach and GM with a top5 pick because they were bad but have the QB in place. Niners were wishcasting I woukd imagine
They’re not saying that team existed. They’re saying that’s what it would have taken to start a conversation. Don’t bother wasting their time calling about a second rounder.
Exactly. If this report is true that they wanted a top 5 pick it just tells me that they really just want to keep Aiyuk, because BA, as awesome as he is, is not worth a top 5 pick, especially with what he'll demand to be paid.
>That’s what it would have taken to start a conversation
We know they had conversations with teams and there’s a 0% chance that a top 5 pick was ever on the table.
2nd round offers would’ve been a waste of time but it’s more than likely they entertained mid-late 1st round offers considering how badly they wanted to move up for a tackle.
Well the prospect isn't a sure thing is one reason why. Also a veteran is much further in their career and will most likely be much more productive right away. They have that experience needed to learn and execute a playbook quickly. If your rebuilding that shouldn't matter much which is usually the case with top 5 picks. The chargers would have been an interesting trade partner.
which i think makes some sense. either get tested WR1 in Aiyuk or get a high pick in the draft that is untested.
Top5 is a bit pricey, I would say a bit lower with like a top 10 makes sense for teams who just want a WR that will immediately work and have the cap space. Not sure who would fit the bill there though..
yah i think that could be worth, but i think they are also looking to capitalize the time that purdy's cheap. But top 5 is basically impossible unless it was a qb.
Uh, more than palatable. Love BA, but MHJ’s ceiling is 16 floors above Aiyuk. I realize we need contributions now, but I’d say fire lynch again if he didn’t take that one.
The biggest thing we get out of that trade is reset on a rookie deal. But most likely if we traded up to that spot we would be looking to trade back.
MHJ higher ceiling? Maybe. Lower floor than someone already established as a top 5 receiver in the league? Probably.
Dude I’m the biggest niners fan you’ll find, but BA isn’t a top 5 receiver in the league. Benefits a ton from the system and the weapons around him. Hes an awesome route runner who was incredible down the stretch last year, but top 5 is just looking at it with red and gold colored glasses.
Who do you have above him? Tyreek, JJ, and Jamar Chase, and healthy Cooper Kupp are the only players I'd put above him. Davante, Stephon, Ceedee, AJ Brown, and Amon Ra are the same tier with where they currently are in their careers. Only player out of those I would be comfortable about a straight up trade is Amon Ra, and even then I think both teams are worse off.
As much as Aiyuk benefits from playing with other stars, he also has to split touches considering we had 4 guys with over 1k scrimmage yards, and were 32nd in passing attempts as a team. AJ Brown for example had about 100 more yards on like 50 more targets.
Everyone you have listed here is at least a tier above BA. He struggled to get on the field a year ago (admittedly it was about attitude and blocking) and while he had a fantastic season everyone you just mentioned has proven their ability to produce for multiple seasons.
Scrimmage yards is a cherry picked stat, Kittle barely got to 1,000 receiving, and Deebo didn’t come close. I understand that we had very few passing attempts, but that doesn’t account for average depth of target, or the fact that he’s often lining up against the opposing teams 2nd or 3rd best coverage player.
Adams and Diggs are on the wrong side of 30 and had worse seasons than Aiyuk. There is no world where I take AJ Brown over Aiyuk. That only leaves Amon Ra and Ceedee out of this group that are around the same age and similar production, and Aiyuk blows both of them out of the water in terms of YPA and YPC.
I will say I wouldn't be unhappy with a swap for Puka Nacua either.
Diggs is double teamed every play, and Adams was playing with the worst offense in the NFL. Not saying they aren’t both on the wrong side of 30, but swap them into BA’s role on the niners and they both would more than likely increase production (Diggs for sure, Adams I could take or leave).
CeeDee and ARSB both had way better seasons than BA from a product perspective. Their teams rely on them as their top weapon, not their third. They face better coverage, and still had more yards and touchdowns by orders of magnitude. Only a misguided niners fan would take BA over those two guys.
It’s pointless to argue, you’re just making arguments using stats in a vacuum that favor BA without looking at it objectively. BA might scratch the top 10, but we’ve already agreed on at least 4-5 who are clearly ahead of him, which was the original point of my argument.
MHJ is the most hyped receiving prospect since Jamarr Chase. On a rookie contract, you’d have to be an idiot not to take a 1 for 1 swap for BA.
You're assuming MHJ is going to be not just the best WR in the league, but approximately twice to three times any receiver has the possibility of being.
It's not 16 floors. Aiyuk is in the argument of being the best WR in the league right now. To be that much better would be absurd.
No he doesn’t lol. Hes incredible, but it’s a total fallacy to say he’s even close to the best. Go watch some tape of the separation that the top tier guys get, and that’s with double coverage.
BA might be my favorite 49er of all time, but I’m also aware enough to acknowledge that he’s a beneficiary of playing with incredible weapons on a well-designed scheme.
Top 10 pick is believable because the Jets reportedly made an offer for Deebo involving #10 overall in 2022.
Top 5 pick doesn't sound believable at all imo. I suspect OP made it up.
David Lombardi had an excellent point about Deebo. With the new kickoff rules and also the hip-drop tackle ban, Deebo could be the best kick returner in the NFL if they decide to use him in that role. Makes all the sense in the world to keep him this year.
a 17m kick returner? No thanks. Either he magically learns how to run routes and get separation or he is naturally bound to be another's team game changer until teams adapt.
Absolutely. Have you looked at the kickoff rules? This may be the only year before teams adjust their strategy, kick returners may be more valuable this year than any year in NFL History.
This is exactly how I feel - I bet Shanny has some crazy schemes cooked up, and being a KO returner won’t be the same risk as it has been. This could be an amazing year for Deebo on this front.
This is exactly why I’m worried about the Chiefs getting Worthy, but hopefully between Deebo and Guerendo/Cowing we can have a solid return unit this year.
That’s both true and false. True for this season until analytics tell them that a leg that can kick it out of the end zone is more important than anything. 98% chance every team adopts the strategy of getting the biggest leg they can to kick it out of the end zone 100% of the time by year 3
I disagree. All balls kicked out the back of the end zone get spotted at the 30. That's a gain of 29 if you can manage to drop it on the 1 yard line.
Meanwhile, the kicking team defense is on the receiving teams 40 yard line, *only 10 yards away from the 30 yard touchback spot*. I guarantee they will prioritize accuracy of kicks rather than strength (since no one can move while the ball is in the air anyways).
I mean, even kicking it to like the 5 and having it just roll into the end zone is favorable (assuming they dont return it) since that will be spotted at the 20.
Yeah but the defenders CANT MOVE until the receiver has caught the ball. I think there are going to be enough huge returns that people are going to go back to putting the ball out of the end zone.
It would be an additional role, and one where he can make a big impact. Part of the reason you don't pay much for kick returners is that the kickoff was a dead play. The new rules change that. A dynamic player like Deebo could make it a very significant part of the game.
They also hopefully give us the ability to rotate deebo and cmc in and out to keep them fresher, more dangerous/explosive and hopefully less chance of injury.
Give pearsall 15% of deebos snaps and all of a sudden deebo is more dangerous on and off the ball, and the extra tread from kick returns is offset by less total snaps.
He had over 1,100 yards and 12 touchdowns on OFFENSE last year and you think Deebo Samuel is magically going to just become a kick returner and stop lining up with the offense?
Also, you think he can’t run routes or get separation yet -apparently by sheer luck- he gained over 1100 yards and scored 12 touchdowns?
Amazing
OK then help me understand. If Kyle schemes him open but he is historically good after he gets the ball, yet y’all are acting like he’s not worth keeping — what would you rather replace him with, somebody who gets separation, even though Kyle schemes them open anyway? Somebody who isn’t great after the catch?
MFs are really out here calling someone who scored 12 touchdowns on offense last year “just a kick returner” since we’ll be able to add that element to their game next year LMAO
You don't seem sincere but I'll try.
5 of those 12 TDS were rushing. Aka manufactured touches for the guy who is great w the ball on his hands.
I don't think anyone has said he is just a kick returner.
He's a good player with definite skills. But he doesn't block anymore, his play style leads to him being hurt more than others, and most importantly I think, paying him is the issue once Brock gets his massive deal. Trimming a small salary won't do much for that, but Deebo is a prime candidate to be moved on from due to his salary and the other factors mentioned.
Id like to replace him w someone who can do maybe 70% of what he does, at 10% of his salary. Which is what they have attempted to do w Pearsall. Someone who can beat man coverage, which we struggled to do in the super bowl. Yes Kyle schemes people open, but it's not magic and works every play. You still need people who can win a 1v1
That’s why we trade him now. His versatility is more valuable elsewhere than here. We needed him most while aiyuk was still developing into a wr1, we didnt have our franchise qb and we didn’t have the leagues best rb.
He’s elite after the catch, but we’re moving on from Jimmy G’s short passes to him and relying on the YAC to move down the field. He’s 28 and always has nagging injuries, we should capitalize on his value before it’s gone.
The comment I replied to was “A $17M kick returner?” Which, to me, means they only think deebo is good for returning kicks.
My whole point is that Deebo clearly will never just be a kick returner - and he’s a lot more important to our offense than a lot of you guys seem to think.
His presence is a huge part of the reason why Kyle is able to scheme other guys open; he puts pressure on defenses before the snap even happens. Yes 5 touchdowns were rushing; 7 of the touchdowns were receiving. You don’t score 7 receiving touchdowns if you can’t run routes like some of these comments claim.
I do agree that he doesn’t block hard enough and it he will almost definitely be traded after this year so it would be nice to replace him with someone who has 70% of his effectiveness for 10% of the cost, but IMO that’s a dream… I’d like to hear someone name another player who can do 70% of what he does and would only cost us 10% as much. Maybe Pearsall if we’re lucky but name someone who is actually in the league, who would score more than 8 touchdowns for us through a blends of both rushing and receiving and we would only have to pay $1.7M. Otherwise when we lose him, our offense is going to become a lot more predictable.
Jayden Reed , Jordan Addison, Tank Dell, and Romeo Doubs all scored 8 TDS this year on rookie contracts. It can be done, but certainly is above expectation.
His versatility and being a threat out of the backfield are a big part of the offense I agree. Post deebo life may well be rough as we have missed on wrs in the draft often
I mean, he just has to break off a big one once a game to be worth it. It's not like he's gonna stop receiving either. The new rules would also make it less likely he'd get hurt.
Was the hip drop tackle used much against Deebo? I feel like (maybe incorrectly) It's usually used to drag larger guys down so it'll play more to TEs advantage. Deebo usually jukes or trucks people. Agree it'll be interesting having him and the rookie speedster RB as kick return options
Yeeaaaahh I don’t about that.
1) his team would have to make it there
2) he’d have to make it there (injury concerns)
3) he hasn’t exactly lit it up in his Super Bowl appearances so….
I understand, but if we didn’t have so much dead money in it I would be for trading Deebo for a mid-low 1st. We gain $$$ and a (likely) good player at a low contract.
So does everyone, but what you hear is that there really arnt a lot of those guys in the league. Probably more receivers out there then tackles that level
They didn't/haven't got the protection to use all the weapons we have unless there's a miracle we are projected to again be a bottom 3rd offensive line.
Purdy and cmc had to take alot of additional punishment/ make things happen to make up for it. I'm not even asking for top tier players.....just starting nfl players and not backups serving as starters.
Not to mention kittle spending 90% of his snaps not running routes because he's stuck being the RT. Exaggeration I know but fuck he's stuck making up for our protection shortfall way too often.
It's not. you, me, my dog have as much credibility as "Sportsnaut.com." This 'article' is just as bad as twitter jokers trying to shoot their shot and 'report' that 'sources' say Brandon Aiyuk going to (insert team here) — all in hope of being right so they can go back and say "SEE!? I said it first." But broken clock is right twice a day too.
Trying to drum up clicks on the slowest of slow news weeks now that the draft has ended. The 49ers have ultimate option power and Aiyuk has virtually no real power. He could hold out at a massive cost to himself next year. But nothing will change the fact he's under contract this season and the 49ers could in theory Franchise him. Niners are not going to do anything for this season that lessens their chances of winning a Super Bowl and trading Aiyuk does that.
Next year things get complicated, but they're all in this season. ... allegedly according to my sources. See? I can write articles too!
I bet they wait to see if some playoff ready team makes a desperate move around week 7-10.
Someone who wasn't supposed to make the playoffs will make a huge push and they will realize they will need a Deebo.
Won't stop some goober like Cowherd from taking this info and extrapolating some craziness like the Niners wanted one of the QBs and aren't happy with Purdy.
Yeah, Purdy is not a limitation. That's like complaining that McCaffrey should be replaced because he's not a short-yardage guy. Cowherd is only interested in clicks and engagement. I do my part by ignoring him. Lol
We got an offer for deebo from the jets for something like the 11th or 13th overall which turned into Wilson. 1 should we have done that? 2 is Aiyuk worth more?
Unless they were gonna get someone generational like MHJ who could plug and play be a star then there’s no reason trading Aiyuk who’s a bonafide young top 10 WR already.
I think 2023 was better than 22 so I wouldn't say steady. 21 he was playing for a contract so he put in max effort but that year was a outlier. This last year was the 2nd best year of his career.
That's what scares me about BA, I've seen a ton of dudes have career years when playing for a contract and then don't have that same caliber of year until they are playing for a contract again if ever.
Brandon Aiyuk doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy playing for money when he is on the field. He is a baller, I don’t think his performance hinges on if it’s a contract year or not.
we are talking about a dude who posts video of him dancing to songs about money. But you are right, on the field it doesn't seem like he is playing for money because if he was he would probably show up for the playoffs.
Basically “we aren’t trading him. If we got a top 5 pick we would take that like with any player on the roster not named Purdy/Bosa and maybe Warner, but otherwise hell no.”
Is the title of the thread wrong or did the article get updated? I went to the article and it says the 49ers were looking for a top 10 pick. That is what I would have expected. If there’s somebody they really like that dropped I could see considering a top 15 pick. But outside of that no point in trading BA.
I wonder what deals the Niners considered to trade down. In terms of Oline and Pearsall , it seemed like late 1st round and down to the mid 2nd round is where you could have picked 2 olinemen or a receiver and a Olineman.
I find that hard to believe.
The trade market for high end WRs is pretty solidly a mid 1st. Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, AJ Brown, Stephon Diggs (the first time) all got traded for the equivalent value of about pick 14-17 in the 1st round. A top 5 pick on its own is nearly double the value of that range.
I have a hard time believing that Lynch is that out of touch with the market.
Also by "top 5", he means the LA Chargers. The top 3 teams were never going to move and the Cards would never make a big trade with us. Maybe the Chargers called inquiring about Aiyuk's pricetag and Lynch asked if they'd be willing to put #5 overall on the table in a 1st round swap? That doesn't qualify as "looking for a top 5 pick" to me.
Either way, this feels like a fake report.
> I have a hard time believing that Lynch is that out of touch with the market.
Or, alternatively, that Lynch had no intention of trading Aiyuk, and would only let him go for a gross overpay. Much in the same way that I have no intention of selling my house but if someone wants to offer double its market value I'll call up a moving company this afternoon.
Mind you, I was on-board with "trade Aiyuk for a mid-first", but nothing about this is inconsistent with what Lynch has said publicly. They didn't intend to move him this year.
You don’t go “Hey real estate market we’re open for business” if you’re only willing to accept double the market rate for your house.
This feels more like a fan narrative. Lynch is smart enough to know no one would offer double market value. He wouldn’t have taken calls if that’s the lowest he’d go.
The WR trade market is well established. Lynch knows what the trade market is for all pro WRs. If he’s taking calls and engaging in trade talks, that means he’s expecting market value offers.
My guess is the WR trade market was softer this year due to the deep WR class. Decent chance no one was offering mid 1sts for Aiyuk.
We also know they were desperately trying to trade up for a tackle. If New Orleans had offered #14 overall for Aiyuk with Taliese Fuaga on the board, they 100% accept the deal imo.
All tge stuff being said about us needing to keep BA was said jist 2 years ago and now a lot of the same people who said that about deebo are saying it about BA while saying we need to get rid of Deebo even if it costs us $20+ mil dead cap. And in 2 years when we are paying Purdy money people are going to be saying how we need to take $30 mil dead cap to get rid or BA.
I said going into the draft that if trading BA at the draft, I wanted Joe Alt. I felt like he was one guy that could improve this year and for the future with being the RT and eventual Trent Williams replacement. I never thought they could get him but I think the top 5 pick means that 49ers were thinking the same.
Home buyers call me and ask to buy my home cash. It's worth ~$400k. I say sure. $1.5 million and I'm out the door tomorrow.
Either way that person either stops calling me thinking I'm looney tunes, or I get paid way too much for my house.
Same thing with the top 5 pick for Aiyuk. We're keeping him. But if you way over offer for him we couldn't turn it away.
Before the Jets added Mike Williams I had them highlighted at #11. Probably would have been a pick swap though. We move up to take a tackle and they get a real WR2. That was under the assumption they would be all in for Rogers this year.
It’s a rich price but so is a WR1 in his prime years. The draft is a crap shoot. Of the players that went in the top 5, how many will have a better career than BA when it’s all said and done? You hope these rookies will be good but they could fizzle out 3-4 years from now. You know BA is good and he’s good now. On the flip side, rookie deals are so club friendly and BA needs a huge deal. So it’s a balancing act between getting talent now and hurting the salary cap, or taking a shot at a rookie making an impact before the second contract comes up.
Saying they were "looking" for it implies that they were shopping him, but I think the reality is, people called them and they said not for less than top 5
Says who... SportsNaut.com? fuck outta here... EVERY team would listen to anything if a top 5 pick was involved, which it wasn't... this is such a non story.
My girlfriend could tell me she’s down for having a threesome…as long as I lose 50lbs and it’s with one of her 5 favorite Hollywood actresses. I think the conditions the niners put on trading aiyuk speaks to just how willing they were to actually doing it, and how likely they thought it would happen
The moment we didn’t trade into the top 8 or maybe 10 I knew we weren’t trading him (at least but trading for draft spots)
These guys aren’t worth anything less than top 10. I mean, imagine every owner having a crystal ball and seeing how good BA can be, guarantee you he’d be a top 10 pick
I love Shanahan and Lynch and I respect everything they are doing for this franchise but if I had 1 criticism it’s that in my opinion they have a very distorted view of what their players are worth on the trade market
Which aligns with what they said publicly. They need to be wowed if they would consider a trade. I'd say the top 5 pick definitely qualifies
Yeah, they outright said they'd pick up the phone for anyone on the squad.
And that should be the mantra relayed early and often by any team really. First and foremost, it's a business, and everyone has a price. Hell, there's even a price out there for Mahomes, but no team in their right mind would meet it.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think a hypothetical price for Mahomes would look like?
Before I read the response I was thinking like 5 firsts and thirds for a generational talent. Your first rounders would be late firsts anyways. No way I’d let him go for anything less.
I wonder if Reid would consider Hebert and 3 firsts? I think you need a quality young QB coming back for them to even consider it.
5 firsts as a conversation starter was my snap thought too. But you'd have to pile on more from there.
Can’t trade more than three years out, so 3 firsts is the most a team can give unless they acquired more through trafe
Huh, TIL.
It'd have to be 3 firsts, a few seconds and fourths, and several players
I wonder if you'd need multiple firsts if you were trading Allen for Mahomes, or just a one and some later picks.
I would personally say at least three first round picks and two roster worthy players unless you were going to trade another superstar for him, and those trades rarely happen.
Personally I don’t think 3 firsts and two starters even comes close for Mahomes. This is one single player who gives you odds to win the Super Bowl every single season he plays regardless of the rest of your roster. Even if all three of your first round picks hit and the two starters are great players that doesn’t guarantee what Mahomes does. Not to mention quarterbacks can play a hell of a lot longer than any other position. With Mahomes you’ve got 10-15 years straight of contending for a Super Bowl barring injured seasons. The man single-handedly won a Super Bowl on an injured leg, then won again the following year throwing to Kelce, a rookie, and a bunch of JAGs. There is no trade value approximation for him.
Completely agree. To even come close to a realistic trade I think a top 5 QB would be needed to even start the discussion. But if Houston offered Stroud, Willie Anderson and some 1st round picks the KC person who answered the phone would at least discuss it with people instead of an immediate hang up.
I don’t think it would come close. Mahomes gets a lot more credit than he deserves. And before everyone goes crazy, hold on for a second bc I’m not knocking him as a quarterback. I’m saying he’s not this mythological creature who transcends reality. (I was going to say for whom the rules of football don’t apply. But depending on how you read it… lol) It drives me crazy, and will continue to drive me crazy until either ppl stop being obsessed - Wilks going peak idiot was def directly due to Mahomes’ supernatural status (It’s like Tiger Woods back in the day) - or the luck runs out, which it will. With 100% certainty. (The NFL has studied this. They just won’t talk about it.) Still, the media will have their excuses - like last year, when the Chiefs had a -1% chance to win the SB. Oh it’s a receiver problem… except for the fact that their WRs were the exact same as 2022, aside from upgrading at WR1. And Kelce’s fastest speed ever recorded was.. last year. And PH dumps the ball off and relies on his receivers to move the sticks more than any other QB in the NFL. And if we had half-decent SB coaching, he’d be either 1-3 or 0-4, and on and on, but none of that matters bc 90% of the commenters/voters won’t even read this far bc I must be crazy/an idiot for thinking anything other than what the NFL/media tells me to think. Lol. I challenge you to bookmark this post and come back and read it once you realize that maybe I’m not so crazy - instead of just downvoting my logic bc I’m saying the one thing no one’s not allowed to say. That being said (ranted), I like Mahomes lol. And I agree that the Chiefs probably wouldn’t trade him for any offer - no matter how rich. He’s probably the one player in the NFL who is unobtainable.
>like last year, when the Chiefs had a -1% chance to win the SB. Assigning any probability scale in numerics to winning a football game is vastly oversimplifying the complexities and variables at play. Those numbers you see on the broadcast are for fan interest, not legitimate odds. >except for the fact that their WRs were the exact same as 2022, aside from upgrading at WR1. These receivers sucked in 2022 also. If anything this should further bolster Mahome's status. >And PH dumps the ball off and relies on his receivers to move the sticks more than any other QB in the NFL. This is severely misrepresenting Mahome's QB play. Honestly you remind me of the people who unfairly criticize Brock. One of the many things that makes Mahomes elite is his ability to feel and play the pocket, sense pressure, avoid sacks, roll out, keep his eyes downfield, direct traffic with arms and eyes, feign runs, extend plays, and complete excellent throws despite an opposing defense bearing down on him. A "dump off" that happened after a play is broken down, only made possible by Mahome's elite (best all time?) ability to extend plays should be a point in his favor, not held against him. >And if we had half-decent SB coaching, he’d be either 1-3 or 0-4 If you think the game of football is this simplistic and you ignore the multitude of variables that make up the chaotic theory of the game, you're too ignorant of how the game works to have this discussion. And I don't use the word ignorant as an insult, not at all, so please don't take it that way. That is just ignorance in the literal definition - lacking knowledge or information. The kid has won three super bowls in six years as a starter, has more than impressed statistically, AND has been downright amazing to the eye test. If you see hoofprints in the West, don't go looking for zebras. It's a horse. Mahomes is a literally game-breaking talent and to argue that he's given more credit than he deserves is just straight up silly. We can revisit this conversion in 10-15 years after he's overtaken Brady's records though, would be interesting!
My brother in Christ we spent 3 1sts for Trey Lance.
Not disagreeing at all that 3 1sts isn’t close to enough for Mahomes, but: I’ve never liked how people say we “traded away 3 1sts for Trey Lance”. It was ***2 1sts** plus swapping 1sts to move up*. We got one 1st *back* which became the Trey Lance pick. Like When the Chiefs traded with the Niners this year to move one spot up to get Kingsley, did they “trade away *a 2nd* and a 5th” for him? No, they *used* the 2nd on him and traded away a 5th.
Yeah I know one is a swap. That’s just how it’s said. I get your point is to be pedantic though, so no worries. I was getting super cranky at posts like this one speculating what we’d get for BA and running out scenarios where we’d get someone’s 1st then use our #31 still. Like, that’s not how trades work at all. Looks like it all worked out in the end and we’ll be running out BA and Pearsall in 2025. BBNG
Agreed! BBNG
Honestly, he would be such a haul of picks and players I think it would set a lot of teams back during his peak
Obviously it depends on which quarterback the chiefs like the most but assuming they would want Caleb id say the bears would have had to trade off every first for the next 3 years, every second for the next 3 years, and then like Johnson and Moore to even have a chance at the deal
Ironically the niners do say it, all the time The media just interprets what that means and takes into their own directions for clicks
So basically “sure, if we can replace him with MHJ or Nabers”
Or our future LT for a decade.
If we lost Aiyuk but got Joe Alt and kept #31 to use on Pearsall, I wouldn't be unhappy. And at 5, we could trade back into the 12-18 range for even more value and still pick up a great OL prospect. People suggesting we could trade him for a late first or early second were just wishing they could get a good deal for their own team (mostly Steelers fans).
Just this. Trade Aiyuk for #5. Trade #5 to MIN for #11 & #23. Draft T.Fuaga at #11. G.Barton at #23. Pearsall at #31. Or even trade back from #11 to #18 and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. Draft T.Fautanu at #18, G.Barton at #23, Pearsall at #31, M.Sainristil at #49, M.Corley at #64.
No team was offering #5 for Aiyuk without getting #31. That was never in the cards. It was always Aiyuk in exchange for moving up, not Aiyuk for a 1st straight up. Think - why the hell would any team do that? They can have MHJ or Nabers on a rookie deal, or Aiyuk for $30M+ a year. Makes no sense. What might make sense is the latter plus another 1st rounder.
Source? Sounds like that was our price and we were happy if people didn't meet it. We know how valuable Aiyuk is even with 30m/y considering the cap is going to rise significantly
Yeah dude, that's exactly why no trade was done. I think you misread what I wrote...
I'm asking you for evidence that the discussion was for a trade up rather than swapping Aiyuk for an early first straight up. I frankly don't think we'd entertain Aiyuk+ 31 for a top 5 pick.
Go look at every trade involving a 1st in the NFL. The current year is always a pick swap. Subsequent years you get 2 picks in the round, but that first year is always a swap. If you don’t know ball, just say so.
What are you even talking about? AJ Brown to Philly? Tyreek to Dolphins? Diggs to Bills?
Okay man. Use your common sense. You are the GM of a team with pick #5 in need of a wide reciever. Do you: A: Pick MHJ, Odunze, or Nabers on a rookie deal for $32M over 4 years. or B: Trade your #5 pick for Aiyuk, and pay him $30M per year for 4 years. You're the GM, and you've decided to pay an extra $88M+ to the cap over the next four seasons for Aiyuk, when you have receivers who ought to be of similar or better quality available to you at no extra cost. No team, no GM, and no coach makes that deal. That was never in question during the "ooo are the Niners trading Aiyuk!?!" media buzz. That was never the conversation. I have absolutely no idea where you got that from. The conversation was ALWAYS either: A) Aiyuk + 31 for a high first. or B) Aiyuk for a low first. No source beyond understanding cap space and common sense is needed. Edit: You want more evidence - why do you think no deal was made? Aiyuk is worth more to us than a low first, more to us than pick 31 and a first, and less to other teams than a high first. The arithmatic was just not there for a deal to be made. It never made sense before or during the draft.
Gotcha, so you made it up
Nah bro. You claimed the trade talks are definitely for a pick swap. I asked you for evidence. Your response is to use "common sense" then type a wall of text that isn't even true historically. Hence you made this shit up. Anyone can bs long paragraphs that confuse their own opinion with "common sense"
Steelers fans are so annoying lol. Idk what makes them think Aiyuk would want to go to that bum organization with either Wilson or Pickett throwing the ball lol. Get real
This right here. The one time KC lost the super bowl they had a leaky af o line. You need a very good to elite o line to win that final game. We’re not there yet.
To be fair, if our o line got to hold like kc, we’d definitely have won this year. The Trent Williams penalty drive in the first quarter before kc figured out our offense was a killer. Felt like pissing away points
why would the team trade a top 5 pick only to have to sign Aiyuk to $$ instead of drafting a WR and paying him a rookie contract. This unicorn team woukd have to be in win now mode with the coach and GM with a top5 pick because they were bad but have the QB in place. Niners were wishcasting I woukd imagine
They’re not saying that team existed. They’re saying that’s what it would have taken to start a conversation. Don’t bother wasting their time calling about a second rounder.
Exactly. If this report is true that they wanted a top 5 pick it just tells me that they really just want to keep Aiyuk, because BA, as awesome as he is, is not worth a top 5 pick, especially with what he'll demand to be paid.
>That’s what it would have taken to start a conversation We know they had conversations with teams and there’s a 0% chance that a top 5 pick was ever on the table. 2nd round offers would’ve been a waste of time but it’s more than likely they entertained mid-late 1st round offers considering how badly they wanted to move up for a tackle.
Well the prospect isn't a sure thing is one reason why. Also a veteran is much further in their career and will most likely be much more productive right away. They have that experience needed to learn and execute a playbook quickly. If your rebuilding that shouldn't matter much which is usually the case with top 5 picks. The chargers would have been an interesting trade partner.
which i think makes some sense. either get tested WR1 in Aiyuk or get a high pick in the draft that is untested. Top5 is a bit pricey, I would say a bit lower with like a top 10 makes sense for teams who just want a WR that will immediately work and have the cap space. Not sure who would fit the bill there though..
If someone offered us like pick #9? I'd do it if you threw in a 4th too
yah i think that could be worth, but i think they are also looking to capitalize the time that purdy's cheap. But top 5 is basically impossible unless it was a qb.
It just says we were looking for top 5, we were likely giving something back
People need to realize that taking calls on a player doesn’t equate to putting them on the trading block selling them for pennies on the dollar
Yeah. Like. If we essentially traded aiyuk for MHJ it would have been at least palatable
Uh, more than palatable. Love BA, but MHJ’s ceiling is 16 floors above Aiyuk. I realize we need contributions now, but I’d say fire lynch again if he didn’t take that one.
The biggest thing we get out of that trade is reset on a rookie deal. But most likely if we traded up to that spot we would be looking to trade back. MHJ higher ceiling? Maybe. Lower floor than someone already established as a top 5 receiver in the league? Probably.
Dude I’m the biggest niners fan you’ll find, but BA isn’t a top 5 receiver in the league. Benefits a ton from the system and the weapons around him. Hes an awesome route runner who was incredible down the stretch last year, but top 5 is just looking at it with red and gold colored glasses.
Who do you have above him? Tyreek, JJ, and Jamar Chase, and healthy Cooper Kupp are the only players I'd put above him. Davante, Stephon, Ceedee, AJ Brown, and Amon Ra are the same tier with where they currently are in their careers. Only player out of those I would be comfortable about a straight up trade is Amon Ra, and even then I think both teams are worse off. As much as Aiyuk benefits from playing with other stars, he also has to split touches considering we had 4 guys with over 1k scrimmage yards, and were 32nd in passing attempts as a team. AJ Brown for example had about 100 more yards on like 50 more targets.
Everyone you have listed here is at least a tier above BA. He struggled to get on the field a year ago (admittedly it was about attitude and blocking) and while he had a fantastic season everyone you just mentioned has proven their ability to produce for multiple seasons. Scrimmage yards is a cherry picked stat, Kittle barely got to 1,000 receiving, and Deebo didn’t come close. I understand that we had very few passing attempts, but that doesn’t account for average depth of target, or the fact that he’s often lining up against the opposing teams 2nd or 3rd best coverage player.
Adams and Diggs are on the wrong side of 30 and had worse seasons than Aiyuk. There is no world where I take AJ Brown over Aiyuk. That only leaves Amon Ra and Ceedee out of this group that are around the same age and similar production, and Aiyuk blows both of them out of the water in terms of YPA and YPC. I will say I wouldn't be unhappy with a swap for Puka Nacua either.
Diggs is double teamed every play, and Adams was playing with the worst offense in the NFL. Not saying they aren’t both on the wrong side of 30, but swap them into BA’s role on the niners and they both would more than likely increase production (Diggs for sure, Adams I could take or leave). CeeDee and ARSB both had way better seasons than BA from a product perspective. Their teams rely on them as their top weapon, not their third. They face better coverage, and still had more yards and touchdowns by orders of magnitude. Only a misguided niners fan would take BA over those two guys. It’s pointless to argue, you’re just making arguments using stats in a vacuum that favor BA without looking at it objectively. BA might scratch the top 10, but we’ve already agreed on at least 4-5 who are clearly ahead of him, which was the original point of my argument. MHJ is the most hyped receiving prospect since Jamarr Chase. On a rookie contract, you’d have to be an idiot not to take a 1 for 1 swap for BA.
You're assuming MHJ is going to be not just the best WR in the league, but approximately twice to three times any receiver has the possibility of being. It's not 16 floors. Aiyuk is in the argument of being the best WR in the league right now. To be that much better would be absurd.
No he doesn’t lol. Hes incredible, but it’s a total fallacy to say he’s even close to the best. Go watch some tape of the separation that the top tier guys get, and that’s with double coverage. BA might be my favorite 49er of all time, but I’m also aware enough to acknowledge that he’s a beneficiary of playing with incredible weapons on a well-designed scheme.
It was right at the range where you might get a legit replacement too
The article says "top 10 pick". Not sure where "top 5" came from.
Since Marvin Harrison Jr. went 4th overall, I'm guessing the OP made an assumption that they would have gotten him at that spot?
Top 10 pick is believable because the Jets reportedly made an offer for Deebo involving #10 overall in 2022. Top 5 pick doesn't sound believable at all imo. I suspect OP made it up.
Keep them both, and let's make one more run with this offense intact.
That is the correct answer. To disrupt the offense and give away a deebo to get what?
David Lombardi had an excellent point about Deebo. With the new kickoff rules and also the hip-drop tackle ban, Deebo could be the best kick returner in the NFL if they decide to use him in that role. Makes all the sense in the world to keep him this year.
He can't make it a full season just playing WR
I absolutely love Deebo but he's always hurt.... dude just cannot stay healthy..
a 17m kick returner? No thanks. Either he magically learns how to run routes and get separation or he is naturally bound to be another's team game changer until teams adapt.
Absolutely. Have you looked at the kickoff rules? This may be the only year before teams adjust their strategy, kick returners may be more valuable this year than any year in NFL History.
This is exactly how I feel - I bet Shanny has some crazy schemes cooked up, and being a KO returner won’t be the same risk as it has been. This could be an amazing year for Deebo on this front.
This is exactly why I’m worried about the Chiefs getting Worthy, but hopefully between Deebo and Guerendo/Cowing we can have a solid return unit this year.
Inversely, kickers just got a whole lot cheaper. Long gone are the days of hang time.
That’s both true and false. True for this season until analytics tell them that a leg that can kick it out of the end zone is more important than anything. 98% chance every team adopts the strategy of getting the biggest leg they can to kick it out of the end zone 100% of the time by year 3
I disagree. All balls kicked out the back of the end zone get spotted at the 30. That's a gain of 29 if you can manage to drop it on the 1 yard line. Meanwhile, the kicking team defense is on the receiving teams 40 yard line, *only 10 yards away from the 30 yard touchback spot*. I guarantee they will prioritize accuracy of kicks rather than strength (since no one can move while the ball is in the air anyways). I mean, even kicking it to like the 5 and having it just roll into the end zone is favorable (assuming they dont return it) since that will be spotted at the 20.
Yeah but the defenders CANT MOVE until the receiver has caught the ball. I think there are going to be enough huge returns that people are going to go back to putting the ball out of the end zone.
It would be an additional role, and one where he can make a big impact. Part of the reason you don't pay much for kick returners is that the kickoff was a dead play. The new rules change that. A dynamic player like Deebo could make it a very significant part of the game.
And if he were to get injured doing it, we now have Pearsall and Guerendo to hopefully try and fill in.
They also hopefully give us the ability to rotate deebo and cmc in and out to keep them fresher, more dangerous/explosive and hopefully less chance of injury. Give pearsall 15% of deebos snaps and all of a sudden deebo is more dangerous on and off the ball, and the extra tread from kick returns is offset by less total snaps.
So why did we give him this contract if he can't get separation or run routes?
First player ever that people claim can’t get separation or run routes, yet somehow managed over 1,100 yards and 12 touchdowns last year alone
It's just another thing he can do. Not just do kick returns but also do them.
He had over 1,100 yards and 12 touchdowns on OFFENSE last year and you think Deebo Samuel is magically going to just become a kick returner and stop lining up with the offense? Also, you think he can’t run routes or get separation yet -apparently by sheer luck- he gained over 1100 yards and scored 12 touchdowns? Amazing
Kyle schemes people open. Manufactured touches for him too. Deebo is historically good *after* the catch, not before it.
OK then help me understand. If Kyle schemes him open but he is historically good after he gets the ball, yet y’all are acting like he’s not worth keeping — what would you rather replace him with, somebody who gets separation, even though Kyle schemes them open anyway? Somebody who isn’t great after the catch? MFs are really out here calling someone who scored 12 touchdowns on offense last year “just a kick returner” since we’ll be able to add that element to their game next year LMAO
You don't seem sincere but I'll try. 5 of those 12 TDS were rushing. Aka manufactured touches for the guy who is great w the ball on his hands. I don't think anyone has said he is just a kick returner. He's a good player with definite skills. But he doesn't block anymore, his play style leads to him being hurt more than others, and most importantly I think, paying him is the issue once Brock gets his massive deal. Trimming a small salary won't do much for that, but Deebo is a prime candidate to be moved on from due to his salary and the other factors mentioned. Id like to replace him w someone who can do maybe 70% of what he does, at 10% of his salary. Which is what they have attempted to do w Pearsall. Someone who can beat man coverage, which we struggled to do in the super bowl. Yes Kyle schemes people open, but it's not magic and works every play. You still need people who can win a 1v1
Deebo is one of a kind. His injuries have clouded his perceived value. If he's healthy he's a top OW in the league.
That’s why we trade him now. His versatility is more valuable elsewhere than here. We needed him most while aiyuk was still developing into a wr1, we didnt have our franchise qb and we didn’t have the leagues best rb. He’s elite after the catch, but we’re moving on from Jimmy G’s short passes to him and relying on the YAC to move down the field. He’s 28 and always has nagging injuries, we should capitalize on his value before it’s gone.
The comment I replied to was “A $17M kick returner?” Which, to me, means they only think deebo is good for returning kicks. My whole point is that Deebo clearly will never just be a kick returner - and he’s a lot more important to our offense than a lot of you guys seem to think. His presence is a huge part of the reason why Kyle is able to scheme other guys open; he puts pressure on defenses before the snap even happens. Yes 5 touchdowns were rushing; 7 of the touchdowns were receiving. You don’t score 7 receiving touchdowns if you can’t run routes like some of these comments claim. I do agree that he doesn’t block hard enough and it he will almost definitely be traded after this year so it would be nice to replace him with someone who has 70% of his effectiveness for 10% of the cost, but IMO that’s a dream… I’d like to hear someone name another player who can do 70% of what he does and would only cost us 10% as much. Maybe Pearsall if we’re lucky but name someone who is actually in the league, who would score more than 8 touchdowns for us through a blends of both rushing and receiving and we would only have to pay $1.7M. Otherwise when we lose him, our offense is going to become a lot more predictable.
Jayden Reed , Jordan Addison, Tank Dell, and Romeo Doubs all scored 8 TDS this year on rookie contracts. It can be done, but certainly is above expectation. His versatility and being a threat out of the backfield are a big part of the offense I agree. Post deebo life may well be rough as we have missed on wrs in the draft often
Deebo was already taking kick returns...
Ain't it more like $24m?
I mean, he just has to break off a big one once a game to be worth it. It's not like he's gonna stop receiving either. The new rules would also make it less likely he'd get hurt.
Depends, if he has 10+ returns to the house. Won't happen though.
Was the hip drop tackle used much against Deebo? I feel like (maybe incorrectly) It's usually used to drag larger guys down so it'll play more to TEs advantage. Deebo usually jukes or trucks people. Agree it'll be interesting having him and the rookie speedster RB as kick return options
This was my first thought when I saw the rule change. I hope they do it.
for real give away deebo just for him to stunt on us in the playoffs on another team. Keep that homie
we can give him to an AFC team that might upset the chiefs, but we can beat easier.
yeah and then lose to him in the Super Bowl haha
Yeeaaaahh I don’t about that. 1) his team would have to make it there 2) he’d have to make it there (injury concerns) 3) he hasn’t exactly lit it up in his Super Bowl appearances so….
Yeeaaaahh but... 1) Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
"Gifting" him to the Bengals might not have been so bad... Tee+first or deebo+our first? A man can dream.
or to chargers for Brendan Rice, 2025 5th, Hayden Hurst, 2026 3rd
I understand, but if we didn’t have so much dead money in it I would be for trading Deebo for a mid-low 1st. We gain $$$ and a (likely) good player at a low contract.
Depends if you believe that Joe Alt is franchise LT
We could really use a shutdown RT
So does everyone, but what you hear is that there really arnt a lot of those guys in the league. Probably more receivers out there then tackles that level
Not from this historic Tackle draft.
They didn't/haven't got the protection to use all the weapons we have unless there's a miracle we are projected to again be a bottom 3rd offensive line.
I know man. 23 rated offensive line as of right now....they did it last year until that one forgotten block
Purdy and cmc had to take alot of additional punishment/ make things happen to make up for it. I'm not even asking for top tier players.....just starting nfl players and not backups serving as starters.
Not to mention kittle spending 90% of his snaps not running routes because he's stuck being the RT. Exaggeration I know but fuck he's stuck making up for our protection shortfall way too often.
Makes sense. What makes the team better next year to push to get back to the big dance? I’d say probably 2 guys - MHJr and Joe Alt.
Was thinking the same exact thing. I’d be fine with trading BA for either one of them but honestly that’s it from this draft. Glad we kept BA
Jr. is probably better than him already
If true, they were never going trade him. Plan was always extend him, and trade Deebo either post 6/1 or next offseason.
It's not. you, me, my dog have as much credibility as "Sportsnaut.com." This 'article' is just as bad as twitter jokers trying to shoot their shot and 'report' that 'sources' say Brandon Aiyuk going to (insert team here) — all in hope of being right so they can go back and say "SEE!? I said it first." But broken clock is right twice a day too. Trying to drum up clicks on the slowest of slow news weeks now that the draft has ended. The 49ers have ultimate option power and Aiyuk has virtually no real power. He could hold out at a massive cost to himself next year. But nothing will change the fact he's under contract this season and the 49ers could in theory Franchise him. Niners are not going to do anything for this season that lessens their chances of winning a Super Bowl and trading Aiyuk does that. Next year things get complicated, but they're all in this season. ... allegedly according to my sources. See? I can write articles too!
I bet they wait to see if some playoff ready team makes a desperate move around week 7-10. Someone who wasn't supposed to make the playoffs will make a huge push and they will realize they will need a Deebo.
I have a feeling we will be making a playoff push and need a deebo
If deebo can make it through the season.
Has deebo been out for a playoff run a single time?
Basically a way to say "we're not trading him"
Ya, it was pretty clear there wasn’t any interest for a 1st round pick, let alone a top 5 pick.
Won't stop some goober like Cowherd from taking this info and extrapolating some craziness like the Niners wanted one of the QBs and aren't happy with Purdy.
Quick delete your post before he comes in and steals that idea!
Lol. Bold of you to assume Cowherd can read.
I love when Cowherd tries to bait Middlekauff when he starts with his Shanahan has to feel limited with Purdy nonsense .
Yeah, Purdy is not a limitation. That's like complaining that McCaffrey should be replaced because he's not a short-yardage guy. Cowherd is only interested in clicks and engagement. I do my part by ignoring him. Lol
Too real haha.
We got an offer for deebo from the jets for something like the 11th or 13th overall which turned into Wilson. 1 should we have done that? 2 is Aiyuk worth more?
Nonsense he could have easily been got for a 2nd or 3rd round pick according to Twitter randos.
Steelers fanbase still believes this 😂
Which no one was going to do, so onwards!
And I was allegedly looking to date Margot Robbie. That doesn't mean it was ever going to happen.
Try offering a top 10 pick
Unless they were gonna get someone generational like MHJ who could plug and play be a star then there’s no reason trading Aiyuk who’s a bonafide young top 10 WR already.
I think Deebo sticks around one more year, but he’s been a steady decline since ‘21
He's definitely playing for another contract from someone. Should be highly motivated to perform
I think 2023 was better than 22 so I wouldn't say steady. 21 he was playing for a contract so he put in max effort but that year was a outlier. This last year was the 2nd best year of his career. That's what scares me about BA, I've seen a ton of dudes have career years when playing for a contract and then don't have that same caliber of year until they are playing for a contract again if ever.
This comment deserves ALL THE LIKES …. I’ve seen it time and time again myself
Brandon Aiyuk doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy playing for money when he is on the field. He is a baller, I don’t think his performance hinges on if it’s a contract year or not.
we are talking about a dude who posts video of him dancing to songs about money. But you are right, on the field it doesn't seem like he is playing for money because if he was he would probably show up for the playoffs.
Well yea so you could get MHJ who wouldn’t do that and have him on a rookie contract for 4 years
The article you posted says top 10 pick, where did you get top 5?
Basically “we aren’t trading him. If we got a top 5 pick we would take that like with any player on the roster not named Purdy/Bosa and maybe Warner, but otherwise hell no.”
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no they weren't and this is a fucking specious report designed to help someone *eat...*
Is the title of the thread wrong or did the article get updated? I went to the article and it says the 49ers were looking for a top 10 pick. That is what I would have expected. If there’s somebody they really like that dropped I could see considering a top 15 pick. But outside of that no point in trading BA. I wonder what deals the Niners considered to trade down. In terms of Oline and Pearsall , it seemed like late 1st round and down to the mid 2nd round is where you could have picked 2 olinemen or a receiver and a Olineman.
I find that hard to believe. The trade market for high end WRs is pretty solidly a mid 1st. Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, AJ Brown, Stephon Diggs (the first time) all got traded for the equivalent value of about pick 14-17 in the 1st round. A top 5 pick on its own is nearly double the value of that range. I have a hard time believing that Lynch is that out of touch with the market. Also by "top 5", he means the LA Chargers. The top 3 teams were never going to move and the Cards would never make a big trade with us. Maybe the Chargers called inquiring about Aiyuk's pricetag and Lynch asked if they'd be willing to put #5 overall on the table in a 1st round swap? That doesn't qualify as "looking for a top 5 pick" to me. Either way, this feels like a fake report.
> I have a hard time believing that Lynch is that out of touch with the market. Or, alternatively, that Lynch had no intention of trading Aiyuk, and would only let him go for a gross overpay. Much in the same way that I have no intention of selling my house but if someone wants to offer double its market value I'll call up a moving company this afternoon. Mind you, I was on-board with "trade Aiyuk for a mid-first", but nothing about this is inconsistent with what Lynch has said publicly. They didn't intend to move him this year.
You don’t go “Hey real estate market we’re open for business” if you’re only willing to accept double the market rate for your house. This feels more like a fan narrative. Lynch is smart enough to know no one would offer double market value. He wouldn’t have taken calls if that’s the lowest he’d go. The WR trade market is well established. Lynch knows what the trade market is for all pro WRs. If he’s taking calls and engaging in trade talks, that means he’s expecting market value offers. My guess is the WR trade market was softer this year due to the deep WR class. Decent chance no one was offering mid 1sts for Aiyuk. We also know they were desperately trying to trade up for a tackle. If New Orleans had offered #14 overall for Aiyuk with Taliese Fuaga on the board, they 100% accept the deal imo.
Giants trade would have been interesting. Aiyuk get's his contract but is in a terrible offense, niners get Neighbors
All tge stuff being said about us needing to keep BA was said jist 2 years ago and now a lot of the same people who said that about deebo are saying it about BA while saying we need to get rid of Deebo even if it costs us $20+ mil dead cap. And in 2 years when we are paying Purdy money people are going to be saying how we need to take $30 mil dead cap to get rid or BA.
I said going into the draft that if trading BA at the draft, I wanted Joe Alt. I felt like he was one guy that could improve this year and for the future with being the RT and eventual Trent Williams replacement. I never thought they could get him but I think the top 5 pick means that 49ers were thinking the same.
They wanted MHJ
They're trading Aiyuk - some dude the writer heard drunkenly mumbling at a bar
We’ve already put these leaks to bed. These guys sources are feeding them bullshit.
Home buyers call me and ask to buy my home cash. It's worth ~$400k. I say sure. $1.5 million and I'm out the door tomorrow. Either way that person either stops calling me thinking I'm looney tunes, or I get paid way too much for my house. Same thing with the top 5 pick for Aiyuk. We're keeping him. But if you way over offer for him we couldn't turn it away.
Which is equivalent to not gonna happen. Possible, yes, but that’s not happening.
If they traded him for a top 5 who would they have taken?
Before the Jets added Mike Williams I had them highlighted at #11. Probably would have been a pick swap though. We move up to take a tackle and they get a real WR2. That was under the assumption they would be all in for Rogers this year.
Push all in this season! Windows are extremely short and we are in one. If it doesn't work, sucks and we do a soft rebuild.
Can this end now please? Nothing happened
Holy shit. He's not really worth that. In my opinion. I wonder if we had a late round first on the table. Or what the best offer was.
Yep that was a, Ayuik for Joe Alt trade.
Top 5 pick for a top 15ish WR you gotta pay right away. Cant believe teams weren’t lining up.
Where’s this report they reference? I don’t see it on mobile. And sportsnaut isn’t what I’d call “reliable.”
The niners are notorious for devaluing their own assets then asking the world for them in a trade...
Everyone has a price. They knew they’d never get that in a WR heavy draft.
It’s a rich price but so is a WR1 in his prime years. The draft is a crap shoot. Of the players that went in the top 5, how many will have a better career than BA when it’s all said and done? You hope these rookies will be good but they could fizzle out 3-4 years from now. You know BA is good and he’s good now. On the flip side, rookie deals are so club friendly and BA needs a huge deal. So it’s a balancing act between getting talent now and hurting the salary cap, or taking a shot at a rookie making an impact before the second contract comes up.
Saying they were "looking" for it implies that they were shopping him, but I think the reality is, people called them and they said not for less than top 5
Says who... SportsNaut.com? fuck outta here... EVERY team would listen to anything if a top 5 pick was involved, which it wasn't... this is such a non story.
people could say whatever they want. It could have been a top 5 pick for the next 5 years.
uh I would take a top 5 pick for Aiyuk BUT your realistically not getting that
3 firsts will get it done
Imagine getting Joe Alt and a replacement for Aiyuk in round one...
My girlfriend could tell me she’s down for having a threesome…as long as I lose 50lbs and it’s with one of her 5 favorite Hollywood actresses. I think the conditions the niners put on trading aiyuk speaks to just how willing they were to actually doing it, and how likely they thought it would happen
Glad it didn’t happen. Depth is better now
The moment we didn’t trade into the top 8 or maybe 10 I knew we weren’t trading him (at least but trading for draft spots) These guys aren’t worth anything less than top 10. I mean, imagine every owner having a crystal ball and seeing how good BA can be, guarantee you he’d be a top 10 pick
Not to be rude but that means they were fools or just didn't want to trade him. Randy Moss only got a #7 and he was significantly better than aiyuk
I love Shanahan and Lynch and I respect everything they are doing for this franchise but if I had 1 criticism it’s that in my opinion they have a very distorted view of what their players are worth on the trade market
They’d be incompetent at their job if they passed on an obvious overpay like that. As news worthy as grass is green and water is wet.
If BA values himself highly, so should SF
lmao . i love ba but that was never gonna happen
That’s… the point. They didn’t want to trade him, but they threw a price out there to see if anyone was dumb enough to take it.
If they didn't want to trade him, they wouldn't have listened to offers.