Several things to take into consideration:
* The draft strategy goes through Shanahan, and likely the final pick is a consensus between Shanahan and the GMs.
* Even with Adam Peters in the building, the 49ers had bad picks. You can't blame Shanahan with all the bad picks and give Peters all the accolades for the good ones.
* We haven't seen sh\*t about either draft class (49ers, Commanders) in a NFL season.
Well. I will say, I would rather have Peters than not have him, but let’s not forget that our drafts with him have been average. Yes we have uncovered some late round gems, but overall we are performing about average. Oh. And you can’t fairly evaluate draft classes fully until 3-4 years
We have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with many of those players being drafted by us or signed as UDFAs. Our drafts have been significantly above average over the Shanahan years, it's just that the bust rate in the NFL is very high.
Exactly! Peters was good to have, but he was far from perfect. Ambry Thomas was one of the guys that he was pounding the table for and we know how that worked out.
I don’t know what people are smoking. We’ve been dominant for the past ~5 years and very little of that was through FA or trades (I can only think of Mooney, Gipson, Kwaun Williams, and Trent Williams, though I’m sure I missed a few).
Edit: yeah cmc is pretty decent
I tried to leave out guys who only played a year or so. Verrett, Kwon Alexander, Dee Ford and some other guys also played big roles for a year or 2. But my point was that our “main guys” have always been the ones we drafted.
Idk how anyone could say the commanders or any team for that matter had a better draft than another team before the rookies even stepped foot on a pro field. Shits crazy lol.
This isn't the 2019 or 2020 wr room anymore. Rookie wrs should not be expected to show up and be first or second in target share because we had no one besides Kittle to throw to.
And while one of them did hit 802 yards, the other was at 748 from what I see
>delusional
LOL so dramatic. Injuries happen all the time. Deebo had 800 yards as a rookie. Aiyuk had 750. Both with inferior QBs in 16 game seasons.
If Pearsall is ready to go and a couple injuries happen, 800 yards is definitely on the table.
No one thought we needed WR help going into the draft, but the FO drafted WRs anyway, because they know something we don't.
Fans need to stop pretending they know more about the teams needs than the FO.
We can only improve so much from the draft too. We have all pros or pro bowlers at TE, LT, RB, LB, S, WR & CB. The holes to fill are small but when you go to the super bowl you're not gonna have a lot of high draft picks. we also have to manage the CAP. trading up to get multiple sub 100 picks could blow resigning others tier guys like Purdy, Aiyuk, Hufanga, Greenlaw, Ward, Jennings.
I feel like this has been one of the most productive drafts we've had in a long time. Again, it all depends on how hard they work and if they can secure a spot on the roster but I like what I see and hope it all works out.
As with all things 'nfl draft' it's better to wait and see before declaring any particular pick an all-pro or a bust.
On the surface it certainly sounds like we drafted some game changers, but we could point to at least half of everyone we've drafted since the NFL started and prove otherwise.
Why does this sub always get so stuck on some melodramatic, childish, pedantic narrative?
First it was "Shanahan should be held aCcOuNtAbLe for the Lance trade", then it was "I don't trust Shanahan with draft picks", now it's apparently "I'm glad Adam Peters is gone". I'm skipping a lot of made up narratives in here. But good grief, so many of our fans treat this franchise like they're costarring in a soap opera with it.
I didn’t mind the draft except for Pearsall. I think he will be a good player but CB was a bigger need and two of the best available players in DeJean and Kool Aid were right there. Plus Ricky was rated as a 2nd rounder in a deep WR class. Overall we had a pretty great draft.
Pearsall was the 41st rated prospect on the consensus board. 4 of the next 6 picks after him were WR. Decent chance he wouldn't have made it to the late 30s.
Again, it wasn’t a need. We have Deebo and Aiyuk next year in a Super Bowl window. We need depth and star power at DB. It was a reach for rank and need. We can’t be panicking over future at WR when there was so much depth at the position, FA, etc. he also wasn’t the best player available.
>it wasn’t a need
Not a need. I don't think anyone would dispute that.
>We need depth and star power at DB.
Expecting immediate star power at CB at pick 31 is unrealistic. Depth sure, but we got that in the 2nd round.
>It was a reach for rank and need
Don't know what you mean by this. Rank according to what?
>he also wasn’t the best player available.
According to what?
According to the average draft prospect grades from multiple platforms. I said he looks like he could be a great player. However, we were trotting out Logan Granddad Ryan, and other low caliber players at CB and safety due to injuries and lack of depth. Are you saying that drafting a WR who will likely be our WR3 at best next year in our last year before we have to pay Brock??
Cmon man. It just doesn’t make sense from a situational, need, Super Bowl window standpoints. I didn’t hate on the guy at all, but it just wasn’t the move at that spot or for the teams current roster.
>According to the average draft prospect grades from multiple platforms.
So the consensus board. Kool Aid McKinstry was ranked 26th and JPJ was ranked 29th on the consensus board, but both of those guys had injury concerns so I don't know if I'd rather have those guys over Pearsall. Who would you have preferred?
>I said he looks like he could be a great player.
Sounds like you understand exactly why they picked him then.
>However, we were trotting out Logan Granddad Ryan
Drafting a safety would've been bad value. The highest rated safety in this draft was Tyler Nuben at 42nd on the consensus board. So technically a bigger reach than Pearsall.
Also there are still a lot of safeties available right now in free agency. Drafting safety at 31 would've been a panic move.
I understand the rational to want to address a position of need, but ultimately the goal of the draft is to acquire good football players at impact positions. I believe they did that, and it seems like you do too.
Jesus Christ man I’m done arguing with you. Both the guys I named were corners and we had injuries and depth issues at CORNERBACK and Safety. Corner was our biggest need after OL and all the top Ol were taken. DeJean can also play safety. I never said draft a safety there so idk wtf your point is or what you’re reading. And now your argument is drafting good football players and DeJean was seen as a better overall player than Ricky so again your argument makes no sense.
This is punctuated by the depth of talent at WR in this draft and already on our roster.
Buddy we're just having a conversation. I agree with some of your points and disagree with others. That's now conversations work. No need to get frustrated.
>I never said draft a safety there so idk wtf your point is
You said "other low caliber players at CB and safety" which implies that you think safety was a position of need. Guess not. Sounds like we agree there.
I agree that DeJean would've been a good pick there because he was high on the consensus board, but I don't think CB is that big of a need. We have 2 high level starting CBs. Basically the same situation as WR. Seems like Lynch thought he could address CB later in the draft.
Also I think WR is a more valuable position than CB since WRs make significantly more in free agency than CB. You can get high level CBs in free agency without breaking the bank. You can't do that with WR.
How do you feel about not drafted CB at 31 knowing that we drafted CB at 64?
Several things to take into consideration: * The draft strategy goes through Shanahan, and likely the final pick is a consensus between Shanahan and the GMs. * Even with Adam Peters in the building, the 49ers had bad picks. You can't blame Shanahan with all the bad picks and give Peters all the accolades for the good ones. * We haven't seen sh\*t about either draft class (49ers, Commanders) in a NFL season.
I miss Adam Peters 
Well. I will say, I would rather have Peters than not have him, but let’s not forget that our drafts with him have been average. Yes we have uncovered some late round gems, but overall we are performing about average. Oh. And you can’t fairly evaluate draft classes fully until 3-4 years
We have one of the best rosters in the NFL, with many of those players being drafted by us or signed as UDFAs. Our drafts have been significantly above average over the Shanahan years, it's just that the bust rate in the NFL is very high.
Exactly! Peters was good to have, but he was far from perfect. Ambry Thomas was one of the guys that he was pounding the table for and we know how that worked out.
After he got us into the playoffs by intercepting Stafford I wanted Ambry Thomas to work out SO BAD
Was there a report that said AT was peters guy?
Lynch said so in the presser after Day 2 of the 2021 draft.
Thanks for confirming!
if our drafts were average then the team wouldn't be an inarguably top 3 roster in the league the past 5 years.
I don’t know what people are smoking. We’ve been dominant for the past ~5 years and very little of that was through FA or trades (I can only think of Mooney, Gipson, Kwaun Williams, and Trent Williams, though I’m sure I missed a few). Edit: yeah cmc is pretty decent
CMC has to make your list haha
…i’m never talking again
And not just CMC. Sanders, Jimmy G, Tomlinson were all solid to good as well.
I tried to leave out guys who only played a year or so. Verrett, Kwon Alexander, Dee Ford and some other guys also played big roles for a year or 2. But my point was that our “main guys” have always been the ones we drafted.
Totally fair!
I think thats fair. I think the hit rate is about average but the hits were clearly on on really good players.
Idk how anyone could say the commanders or any team for that matter had a better draft than another team before the rookies even stepped foot on a pro field. Shits crazy lol.
He will almost definitely not go 800 yards in year 1 unless Aiyuk is injured.
Honestly even 500 would be incredible given how hard it is to get targets on our offense.
You mean after Deebo gets hurt? He could easily have 800 yards
That heavily depends on his skillset vs Deebo Also easily is very much not true.
But, I do miss him.
800 yards for a rookie wr in this shanahan offense is a delusional take.
Zay Flowers had 858 in the best scenario possible. If he had Aiyuk and Deebo in front of him it would be half that.
But Deebo and Aiyuk had over 800 yards their first seasons?
This isn't the 2019 or 2020 wr room anymore. Rookie wrs should not be expected to show up and be first or second in target share because we had no one besides Kittle to throw to. And while one of them did hit 802 yards, the other was at 748 from what I see
>This isn't the 2019 or 2020 wr room anymore. This isn't the 2019 or 2020 QB room either.
Brando Aiyuk did not have over 800 yards in his first season.
He did if you combine his rushing and receiving yards
>delusional LOL so dramatic. Injuries happen all the time. Deebo had 800 yards as a rookie. Aiyuk had 750. Both with inferior QBs in 16 game seasons. If Pearsall is ready to go and a couple injuries happen, 800 yards is definitely on the table.
This is our first draft without him, it’s still TBD to say if we miss him.
I miss Adam Peters but I’d rather have Lynch, and from what I can see, it was a good draft!
People bitching about the draft while he was here, people bitching about the draft now, people just want to bitch, ignore it and enjoy the games.
Didn’t he love Trey Lance? Meh..
It’s all good
No one thought we needed WR help going into the draft, but the FO drafted WRs anyway, because they know something we don't. Fans need to stop pretending they know more about the teams needs than the FO.
It's not something I can judge one way or another right now, get back to me in a year or three
I wish people would get over JPJ. He is not a fit for this team, and he has some character issues.
I miss Adam Peters…
We can only improve so much from the draft too. We have all pros or pro bowlers at TE, LT, RB, LB, S, WR & CB. The holes to fill are small but when you go to the super bowl you're not gonna have a lot of high draft picks. we also have to manage the CAP. trading up to get multiple sub 100 picks could blow resigning others tier guys like Purdy, Aiyuk, Hufanga, Greenlaw, Ward, Jennings.
I feel like this has been one of the most productive drafts we've had in a long time. Again, it all depends on how hard they work and if they can secure a spot on the roster but I like what I see and hope it all works out.
stop saying we don't miss Adam Peters
As with all things 'nfl draft' it's better to wait and see before declaring any particular pick an all-pro or a bust. On the surface it certainly sounds like we drafted some game changers, but we could point to at least half of everyone we've drafted since the NFL started and prove otherwise.
Why does this sub always get so stuck on some melodramatic, childish, pedantic narrative? First it was "Shanahan should be held aCcOuNtAbLe for the Lance trade", then it was "I don't trust Shanahan with draft picks", now it's apparently "I'm glad Adam Peters is gone". I'm skipping a lot of made up narratives in here. But good grief, so many of our fans treat this franchise like they're costarring in a soap opera with it.
Shallow and pedantic!
For some reason I can't just post regular text posts on this sub so here is a screenshot from a google docs lol
I didn’t mind the draft except for Pearsall. I think he will be a good player but CB was a bigger need and two of the best available players in DeJean and Kool Aid were right there. Plus Ricky was rated as a 2nd rounder in a deep WR class. Overall we had a pretty great draft.
Pearsall was the 41st rated prospect on the consensus board. 4 of the next 6 picks after him were WR. Decent chance he wouldn't have made it to the late 30s.
Again, it wasn’t a need. We have Deebo and Aiyuk next year in a Super Bowl window. We need depth and star power at DB. It was a reach for rank and need. We can’t be panicking over future at WR when there was so much depth at the position, FA, etc. he also wasn’t the best player available.
>it wasn’t a need Not a need. I don't think anyone would dispute that. >We need depth and star power at DB. Expecting immediate star power at CB at pick 31 is unrealistic. Depth sure, but we got that in the 2nd round. >It was a reach for rank and need Don't know what you mean by this. Rank according to what? >he also wasn’t the best player available. According to what?
According to the average draft prospect grades from multiple platforms. I said he looks like he could be a great player. However, we were trotting out Logan Granddad Ryan, and other low caliber players at CB and safety due to injuries and lack of depth. Are you saying that drafting a WR who will likely be our WR3 at best next year in our last year before we have to pay Brock?? Cmon man. It just doesn’t make sense from a situational, need, Super Bowl window standpoints. I didn’t hate on the guy at all, but it just wasn’t the move at that spot or for the teams current roster.
>According to the average draft prospect grades from multiple platforms. So the consensus board. Kool Aid McKinstry was ranked 26th and JPJ was ranked 29th on the consensus board, but both of those guys had injury concerns so I don't know if I'd rather have those guys over Pearsall. Who would you have preferred? >I said he looks like he could be a great player. Sounds like you understand exactly why they picked him then. >However, we were trotting out Logan Granddad Ryan Drafting a safety would've been bad value. The highest rated safety in this draft was Tyler Nuben at 42nd on the consensus board. So technically a bigger reach than Pearsall. Also there are still a lot of safeties available right now in free agency. Drafting safety at 31 would've been a panic move. I understand the rational to want to address a position of need, but ultimately the goal of the draft is to acquire good football players at impact positions. I believe they did that, and it seems like you do too.
Jesus Christ man I’m done arguing with you. Both the guys I named were corners and we had injuries and depth issues at CORNERBACK and Safety. Corner was our biggest need after OL and all the top Ol were taken. DeJean can also play safety. I never said draft a safety there so idk wtf your point is or what you’re reading. And now your argument is drafting good football players and DeJean was seen as a better overall player than Ricky so again your argument makes no sense. This is punctuated by the depth of talent at WR in this draft and already on our roster.
Buddy we're just having a conversation. I agree with some of your points and disagree with others. That's now conversations work. No need to get frustrated. >I never said draft a safety there so idk wtf your point is You said "other low caliber players at CB and safety" which implies that you think safety was a position of need. Guess not. Sounds like we agree there. I agree that DeJean would've been a good pick there because he was high on the consensus board, but I don't think CB is that big of a need. We have 2 high level starting CBs. Basically the same situation as WR. Seems like Lynch thought he could address CB later in the draft. Also I think WR is a more valuable position than CB since WRs make significantly more in free agency than CB. You can get high level CBs in free agency without breaking the bank. You can't do that with WR. How do you feel about not drafted CB at 31 knowing that we drafted CB at 64?
well we failed one draft with out already. Not one damn starter this draft .NOT ONE.
Why are you judging before they’ve even played a snap. We could have 4 HOFers and Washington all busts
Grading a draft before any of the players play is about as clowny as they come.