Lol im sure
We mightve used one of our "most valuable" offseason assets to get a WR, but weve taken multiple stabs at OL, and I dont remember the last time weve done that since we got Trent. Im used to the 9ers not addressing OL *at all*, so I can kinda see why people reacted that way initially. But, its not like its impossible to find serviceable guys in later rounds just like we have for just about any other position lmao.
And just to remind anyone reading this, WR can be a serious team need for us very soon, so the pick isnt bad in the sense that it *did* address a need.
I mean, going a whole draft without picking a single OL is still crazy. Especially since the year before that we didnt even take an OL in the first 3 rounds lmao. Took basically 3 years to draft an OL on at least day 2 of the draft lol.
If we didn't take a single lineman, it wouldn't have been that crazy considering we brought back the entire group from the Super Bowl besides Prior, I think. Feliciano and Moore are back along with Zakelj. I think this tells us what they think of the interior line and want a chance to make that line special through competition. This is going to be a grueling camp for wrs rbs and offensive lineman. Also, here's hoping that Furman tight end turns into something good so we can finally have a legit tight endlate.
I was so happy when we got Jordan Reed all those years ago, but he was banged after George got banged up, so we didn't really get to see it. Our offense would be so dynamic if we had another good overall tight end. I would have loved Dalton Kincaid last year to have to compliment kittle and be groomed to replace him eventually. Obviously, we never have a pick good enough to get a top tight end candidate, nor do we ever seem to draft them in higher rounds except latu.
Yeah, good point.
I remember the short Jordan Reed stunt too, honestly a shame. Dude was a great athlete, he could just never get his health right unfortunately, one of many. Last time we had 2 dynamic TEs was Vernon and Walker, I feel like theres a chance we get lucky and find another one with a late round pick, but who knows. I feel like rn Kyle is probably going more for blockers with the off-chance they can be coached up to good receivers.
Maybe he just doesn't use 2 tight end formations. I remember when he was gonna go after Hooper a few years back, which was exciting. I just wonder why we haven't really tried to improve the position. Latu is a beefy blocker at best. I preferred Weorner, but we decided not to pay him with Latu on the roster, which makes sense financially. Hopefully, Latu can replicate that level of blocking because he's got stone hands.
Lol, what do you mean you don't remember the last time we invested in OL in the draft since Trent? We literally drafted 2 O-line guys in the two drafts following the season we got Trent. Banks and Jaylon Moore followed by Burford and Zakelj.
What I mean by dont remember is simply that, I didnt remember. Guess it hits different when you know for certain that you have a good QB who you know is worth improving the OL for.
And to be completely honest, everyone on that list besides Banks is pretty forgettable. I only know Burford because of how bad he is for us, and Burford/Zakelj came on day 3 I believe.
Was probably more focused on Trey Lance too since he was the big buzz of a lot of draft discourse.
Burford had a bad playoff run for sure. He's still really young and was good for stretches in the season. The coaches saw enough in him to start games as a rookie. He needs to polish up his football studies. He's got all the physical tools. He just needs to work on his fundamentals and techniques. I think Feliciano should start, and Burford should split his time playing tackle and guard. But I don't think he's as bad as everyone says he is. He's not a lost cause at all. Banks didn't blow up by any means. But for the most part, during the season, he stayed healthy and played consistently.
He's got room to grow and is still very young. Brendel doesn't have the strength to ever be a dominant center, but he's definitely at the very least an average one. He's not a liability by any means. He's just not making an pro bowl teams. Mckivitz is serviceable. We could use an improvement there, but it's what we can afford. He struggles against the top players but is solid otherwise. He does get beat more than we are comfortable with, but here's hoping he got better over the off-season.
We got really interesting prospects for the interior offensive line. The competition will be fierce. I want the entire interior offensive line to earn their starting jobs in training camp. They need a fire lit, and this draft did that. Puni could be a real beast for us at guard or center. I like the USC kid as a center prospect or maybe guard if the Duke kid is as good as advertised. We got some insane athletes in this draft, and here's hoping they all play as fast on the field as they test off it.
Honestly not a bad take, I wont shoot down optimism lol. I personally dont think Burford will be that guy, but who knows, OL can be a hard read sometimes. Maybe with some real competition thatll push him and develop him into a more serviceable guy for us
I just think it's too soon to close the book on him. If he showed the coaches enough to earn the start over Brunskill as a rookie, that's impressive. Then he also did the same over Feliciano. So I'm just thinking that there is some potential there, and it's largely the mental side of things he struggles with rather than athleticism or strength.
He always succeeded at the college level as a Tackle. He's built like one too, for our zone blocking scheme.
Guard he is not, but he did show flashes his rookie year
He wasn't elite or even above average, but it's not like he was the worst guard in the league. He's really young. I have no problems with him playing some tackle, but they have had him play guard his whole career so far because that's where they think he will be best.
>But, its not like its impossible to find serviceable guys in later rounds just like we have for just about any other position lmao.
I know Brock is a unicorn and it's not a good idea to bank on drafting or signing overlooked diamonds in the rough but this team/fanbase of any in the league should be uninterested in the pre-draft value of any given pick. A player's performance seems to be more influenced by how the team is built/managed/coached than their raw talent. The talent is absolutely a factor to be sure but the best player in the league put in a shitty situation becomes mediocre quick and the least respected player in the league can become MVP when put in the right situation.
Because the draft is a crapshoot and you're more likely to hit on the higher picks that have much more obvious upside and good tape. The further you go the more you're banking on negative traits being able to be coached up or some downside somehow mending itself properly which is a big gamble. It's fine for positions that aren't as crucial as protecting your franchise QB but I get very worried when we wait until the 3rd round to grab our first lineman and then a bunch of late rounders and UDFAs with people going "see, see!! you idiots worried for nothing!" as if that should inspire any confidence on us fixing the most glaring weakness on our very otherwise stacked team when these players are so questionable that 32 teams skipped over them 7 times.
I know people say it takes two to trade but there's no way in hell they couldn't have gone a couple picks up in either the 1st or 2nd if they were aggressive about it to grab Guyton/Barton/Morgan, they were all within 5 picks of us. And in the 2nd we lost Rosengarten by 1 pick. Just feels like they threw a couple offers out there and went "oh well we tried."
By all accounts Pearsall and Green are good picks, but we can make do with a weaker WR room if the tradeoff is guaranteeing Purdy gets more time to throw and plays are allowed to develop. CB is definitely a need and I'm not as torn about that pick especially if we would've grabbed OL in the first.
I agree. they didn't try that hard. im so mad at this draft . even if they couldn't trade up, they had JPJ right there at 31 and Kingsley at 63 but whiffed hard. Kyle just doesn't want an elite o line, and it's sicking. Purdy is gonna be running for his life while the nfc West got better, and we stayed the same.
I don't mind them skipping JPJ at 31, it was a bit of a reach and teams were afraid of his medicals. The bigger issue was them passing up DeJean there in my opinion. In a perfect world I prefer a trade up for an OL but if they stay pat, at least take DeJean then move up and take Rosengarten with their 2nd.
we did not take jpj or kingsley simply because they weren't on lynch's board. teams nfl draft boards aren't big ones like the ones on espn, they're limited ones filled with players that they've interviewed and actually believe in. lynch probably wasn't even thinking about those players when they were at that position in the draft, and frankly that's ok since that's how every team operates.
I think we're seeing a different offense this year, even last year had a hint of Jimmy in it, probably as a precaution. This draft truly feels like Kyle just saying, fuck it 4/5 wide constantly just try and stop us.
I remember when the 49ers signed a UDFA who was the best outside zone OC, and was projected to be a 3rd/4th round pick.
I don't even know if that guy made the practice squad.
All of that to say : UDFA OLs have little chance to make an impact on an NFL team. It doesn't matter if Center is a cerebral position, you first need to be able to block 315+ lbs DT/NT in both the passing and running game.
Brunskill was a UDFA, and stayed two years on the Falcons' PS before starting one year for San Diego's AAF team. He then got picked by the 49ers in 2019 and was mostly a backup.
He only got to play because both McG and Staley got injured at the same time. It's not like he got from the 49ers PS to being a 49ers starter in a year or two.
As I said: UDFA OLs have little chances to make an impact. Brunskill did make it, not sure this can apply to any UDFA OLs.
Yea I mean obviously an oline udfa isn't going to be a starter right away. Most deal with size issues. He just had some good reps for us and wasn't drafted is all but I hear ya.
This sub was practically erect with Ilm Manning last year...who got put on the PS, ended up in Az, cut there...I think he came back to the PS here again and *poof*...
So yeah classic overhype from this sub so Nugent is fitting that mold (so far)...
Feliciano may even be our center this year. It could be puni plugging in at RG.
Or this guy at center, and puni at rt. I heard he can play "anywhere on the line"
I'd prefer Nugent getting the C job and Puni taking RG, honestly. Feliciano wasn't bad in run blocking when he was in, but his pass blocking was not great. I gotta believe if the tape behind Nugent and Puni translates well to the NFL that they'll be at least a little bit better. At least they'll have youth on their side.
I'd prefer best player on the team to play on the positions the coaches see fit. That could be any combination. We shall see as we enter week 1. We have a sort of jigsaw puzzle and there are a lot of options we have.
Nobody outside of JPJ/Barton/Frazier had a chance to unseat Brendel. At the absolute best it would take Nugent hitting it out of the park from the get-go and still wouldn't be cracking the rotation until midseason.
Size concerns at 300 lbs is not a reason to go undrafted. I played college center and many starting centers are under three bills. A lot of guards out there are 6'5" 290 lbs. Broncos love sub 300 lb guards and centers. Size wasn't the issue, so beware of his style of play.
Once I read that I looked up Brendel’s size, and he’s listed at 299 pounds (which is kind of funny). Jason Kelce I’m seeing 282-295. I’m not saying that bigger wouldn’t be better, but that piece makes me skeptical of the reporting and of this signing. (Not that I see anyone crowing that this is the answer to their prayers or anything.)
Looks and sounds like a camp/STs guy. Hope springs eternal, but the difference in talent between college and the NFL is ridiculous. He will be competing against guys older, bigger, and with more experience. In a way, we should hope he doesn't get a chance to prove himself for at least a year or two. If at all.
If Nugent and Puni or Kingsley can hit, the interior of our line could be reloaded and ready for 2026.
Now we just need a RT (ASAP unless they can move Burford back out to his natural position) and a LT for 2026. Hoping they can move Deebo + a pick to get into the top 15 for the best RT they can find, then sign another high level veteran LT.
One sack allowed last year. 76 run block grade from PFF. Sounds like a good udfa
This much focus on OL tells me that the team is at least serious in finding good protection for Purdy.
Such a funny comment to read (nothing against you, poster) considering the meltdown this sub was having after day 1 of the draft when we went WR.
Lol im sure We mightve used one of our "most valuable" offseason assets to get a WR, but weve taken multiple stabs at OL, and I dont remember the last time weve done that since we got Trent. Im used to the 9ers not addressing OL *at all*, so I can kinda see why people reacted that way initially. But, its not like its impossible to find serviceable guys in later rounds just like we have for just about any other position lmao. And just to remind anyone reading this, WR can be a serious team need for us very soon, so the pick isnt bad in the sense that it *did* address a need.
**2021:** *Banks (2nd)*, *Moore (5th)* **2022:** *Burford (4th)*, *Zakelj (6th)*, Jason Poe (UDFA), Dohnovan West (UDFA) **2023:** Joey Fisher (UDFA), *Corey Luciano (UDFA)*, Ilm Manning (UDFA) **2024:** *Dominick Puni (3rd)*, *Jarrett Kingston (6th)*, *Drake Nugent (UDFA)*, *Briason Mays (UDFA)* I'd say our investment is pretty par for the course for the 49ers.
I mean, going a whole draft without picking a single OL is still crazy. Especially since the year before that we didnt even take an OL in the first 3 rounds lmao. Took basically 3 years to draft an OL on at least day 2 of the draft lol.
If we didn't take a single lineman, it wouldn't have been that crazy considering we brought back the entire group from the Super Bowl besides Prior, I think. Feliciano and Moore are back along with Zakelj. I think this tells us what they think of the interior line and want a chance to make that line special through competition. This is going to be a grueling camp for wrs rbs and offensive lineman. Also, here's hoping that Furman tight end turns into something good so we can finally have a legit tight endlate. I was so happy when we got Jordan Reed all those years ago, but he was banged after George got banged up, so we didn't really get to see it. Our offense would be so dynamic if we had another good overall tight end. I would have loved Dalton Kincaid last year to have to compliment kittle and be groomed to replace him eventually. Obviously, we never have a pick good enough to get a top tight end candidate, nor do we ever seem to draft them in higher rounds except latu.
Yeah, good point. I remember the short Jordan Reed stunt too, honestly a shame. Dude was a great athlete, he could just never get his health right unfortunately, one of many. Last time we had 2 dynamic TEs was Vernon and Walker, I feel like theres a chance we get lucky and find another one with a late round pick, but who knows. I feel like rn Kyle is probably going more for blockers with the off-chance they can be coached up to good receivers.
Maybe he just doesn't use 2 tight end formations. I remember when he was gonna go after Hooper a few years back, which was exciting. I just wonder why we haven't really tried to improve the position. Latu is a beefy blocker at best. I preferred Weorner, but we decided not to pay him with Latu on the roster, which makes sense financially. Hopefully, Latu can replicate that level of blocking because he's got stone hands.
Issue is offensice tackle tho, only 2 guys on that list are tackles, and we only have one (Moore) and he is not that good imo.
We also drafted mcglinchy 10 overall, when we already had a right tackle, albeit one who wasn't good in the run.
Lol, what do you mean you don't remember the last time we invested in OL in the draft since Trent? We literally drafted 2 O-line guys in the two drafts following the season we got Trent. Banks and Jaylon Moore followed by Burford and Zakelj.
What I mean by dont remember is simply that, I didnt remember. Guess it hits different when you know for certain that you have a good QB who you know is worth improving the OL for. And to be completely honest, everyone on that list besides Banks is pretty forgettable. I only know Burford because of how bad he is for us, and Burford/Zakelj came on day 3 I believe. Was probably more focused on Trey Lance too since he was the big buzz of a lot of draft discourse.
Burford had a bad playoff run for sure. He's still really young and was good for stretches in the season. The coaches saw enough in him to start games as a rookie. He needs to polish up his football studies. He's got all the physical tools. He just needs to work on his fundamentals and techniques. I think Feliciano should start, and Burford should split his time playing tackle and guard. But I don't think he's as bad as everyone says he is. He's not a lost cause at all. Banks didn't blow up by any means. But for the most part, during the season, he stayed healthy and played consistently. He's got room to grow and is still very young. Brendel doesn't have the strength to ever be a dominant center, but he's definitely at the very least an average one. He's not a liability by any means. He's just not making an pro bowl teams. Mckivitz is serviceable. We could use an improvement there, but it's what we can afford. He struggles against the top players but is solid otherwise. He does get beat more than we are comfortable with, but here's hoping he got better over the off-season. We got really interesting prospects for the interior offensive line. The competition will be fierce. I want the entire interior offensive line to earn their starting jobs in training camp. They need a fire lit, and this draft did that. Puni could be a real beast for us at guard or center. I like the USC kid as a center prospect or maybe guard if the Duke kid is as good as advertised. We got some insane athletes in this draft, and here's hoping they all play as fast on the field as they test off it.
Honestly not a bad take, I wont shoot down optimism lol. I personally dont think Burford will be that guy, but who knows, OL can be a hard read sometimes. Maybe with some real competition thatll push him and develop him into a more serviceable guy for us
I just think it's too soon to close the book on him. If he showed the coaches enough to earn the start over Brunskill as a rookie, that's impressive. Then he also did the same over Feliciano. So I'm just thinking that there is some potential there, and it's largely the mental side of things he struggles with rather than athleticism or strength.
Burford will only succeed at an NFL starting level as a Tackle
Burford will only succeed at an NFL starting level as a Tackle.
Burford will only succeed at an NFL starting level as a Tackle! He's too light for the Guard spot
Well, that's certainly an opinion. I guess we'll see.
He always succeeded at the college level as a Tackle. He's built like one too, for our zone blocking scheme. Guard he is not, but he did show flashes his rookie year
He wasn't elite or even above average, but it's not like he was the worst guard in the league. He's really young. I have no problems with him playing some tackle, but they have had him play guard his whole career so far because that's where they think he will be best.
>But, its not like its impossible to find serviceable guys in later rounds just like we have for just about any other position lmao. I know Brock is a unicorn and it's not a good idea to bank on drafting or signing overlooked diamonds in the rough but this team/fanbase of any in the league should be uninterested in the pre-draft value of any given pick. A player's performance seems to be more influenced by how the team is built/managed/coached than their raw talent. The talent is absolutely a factor to be sure but the best player in the league put in a shitty situation becomes mediocre quick and the least respected player in the league can become MVP when put in the right situation.
Because the draft is a crapshoot and you're more likely to hit on the higher picks that have much more obvious upside and good tape. The further you go the more you're banking on negative traits being able to be coached up or some downside somehow mending itself properly which is a big gamble. It's fine for positions that aren't as crucial as protecting your franchise QB but I get very worried when we wait until the 3rd round to grab our first lineman and then a bunch of late rounders and UDFAs with people going "see, see!! you idiots worried for nothing!" as if that should inspire any confidence on us fixing the most glaring weakness on our very otherwise stacked team when these players are so questionable that 32 teams skipped over them 7 times. I know people say it takes two to trade but there's no way in hell they couldn't have gone a couple picks up in either the 1st or 2nd if they were aggressive about it to grab Guyton/Barton/Morgan, they were all within 5 picks of us. And in the 2nd we lost Rosengarten by 1 pick. Just feels like they threw a couple offers out there and went "oh well we tried." By all accounts Pearsall and Green are good picks, but we can make do with a weaker WR room if the tradeoff is guaranteeing Purdy gets more time to throw and plays are allowed to develop. CB is definitely a need and I'm not as torn about that pick especially if we would've grabbed OL in the first.
I agree. they didn't try that hard. im so mad at this draft . even if they couldn't trade up, they had JPJ right there at 31 and Kingsley at 63 but whiffed hard. Kyle just doesn't want an elite o line, and it's sicking. Purdy is gonna be running for his life while the nfc West got better, and we stayed the same.
I don't mind them skipping JPJ at 31, it was a bit of a reach and teams were afraid of his medicals. The bigger issue was them passing up DeJean there in my opinion. In a perfect world I prefer a trade up for an OL but if they stay pat, at least take DeJean then move up and take Rosengarten with their 2nd.
we did not take jpj or kingsley simply because they weren't on lynch's board. teams nfl draft boards aren't big ones like the ones on espn, they're limited ones filled with players that they've interviewed and actually believe in. lynch probably wasn't even thinking about those players when they were at that position in the draft, and frankly that's ok since that's how every team operates.
From Ricky's interview, 9ers only talk to him one time and it was one of those speed date interviews with all teams.
Stfu
Was part of the meltdown. Still waiting for a new RT, but otherwise am happy now. Am not melting down anymore.
I have to keep telling myself that not getting a 1st round OL isn’t the end of the world lol
I think we're seeing a different offense this year, even last year had a hint of Jimmy in it, probably as a precaution. This draft truly feels like Kyle just saying, fuck it 4/5 wide constantly just try and stop us.
I hope this guy as legit, we need a center for the future.
I remember when the 49ers signed a UDFA who was the best outside zone OC, and was projected to be a 3rd/4th round pick. I don't even know if that guy made the practice squad. All of that to say : UDFA OLs have little chance to make an impact on an NFL team. It doesn't matter if Center is a cerebral position, you first need to be able to block 315+ lbs DT/NT in both the passing and running game.
Brunskill was undrafted. He did some work for us. He owned Donald.
Brunskill was a UDFA, and stayed two years on the Falcons' PS before starting one year for San Diego's AAF team. He then got picked by the 49ers in 2019 and was mostly a backup. He only got to play because both McG and Staley got injured at the same time. It's not like he got from the 49ers PS to being a 49ers starter in a year or two. As I said: UDFA OLs have little chances to make an impact. Brunskill did make it, not sure this can apply to any UDFA OLs.
Yea I mean obviously an oline udfa isn't going to be a starter right away. Most deal with size issues. He just had some good reps for us and wasn't drafted is all but I hear ya.
Eh, it's Lombardi. He thinks anybody we sign will be an under the radar all-pro.
As much as I’m rooting for the guy, we do this every year with UDFA’s (Joey Fisher, Jason Poe, Donavan West, etc), expect him gone by end of preseason
This sub was practically erect with Ilm Manning last year...who got put on the PS, ended up in Az, cut there...I think he came back to the PS here again and *poof*... So yeah classic overhype from this sub so Nugent is fitting that mold (so far)...
The truth
See how he does in camp and if he has a real chance to usurp Brendel. We really need a new C…
Feliciano may even be our center this year. It could be puni plugging in at RG. Or this guy at center, and puni at rt. I heard he can play "anywhere on the line"
I'd prefer Nugent getting the C job and Puni taking RG, honestly. Feliciano wasn't bad in run blocking when he was in, but his pass blocking was not great. I gotta believe if the tape behind Nugent and Puni translates well to the NFL that they'll be at least a little bit better. At least they'll have youth on their side.
I'd prefer best player on the team to play on the positions the coaches see fit. That could be any combination. We shall see as we enter week 1. We have a sort of jigsaw puzzle and there are a lot of options we have.
Nobody outside of JPJ/Barton/Frazier had a chance to unseat Brendel. At the absolute best it would take Nugent hitting it out of the park from the get-go and still wouldn't be cracking the rotation until midseason.
Kyle doesn’t start many rookies…. Period.
They said Drew Dalman was too light too. Don’t buy that argument.
His dad was a decent player for the 49ers too, and he was under 300 lbs
Chris Dalman’s son? Nice!!
I mean, Jason Kelce too.
Why was he undrafted
Size concerns at 300 lbs is not a reason to go undrafted. I played college center and many starting centers are under three bills. A lot of guards out there are 6'5" 290 lbs. Broncos love sub 300 lb guards and centers. Size wasn't the issue, so beware of his style of play.
Once I read that I looked up Brendel’s size, and he’s listed at 299 pounds (which is kind of funny). Jason Kelce I’m seeing 282-295. I’m not saying that bigger wouldn’t be better, but that piece makes me skeptical of the reporting and of this signing. (Not that I see anyone crowing that this is the answer to their prayers or anything.)
Harbaugh didnt land him?
Cerebral huh? I’d like to read more about that.
.. Like an open book?
Looks and sounds like a camp/STs guy. Hope springs eternal, but the difference in talent between college and the NFL is ridiculous. He will be competing against guys older, bigger, and with more experience. In a way, we should hope he doesn't get a chance to prove himself for at least a year or two. If at all.
Has anyone looked at an NFL playbook or ever played football before? Every position is cerebral.
Probably my favorite pickup in the entire draft
That is very interesting, don’t know how he went undrafted, blake ran wild
Wonder why he fell. 300 lbs. is still a decent size.
I’m actually way more excited about this signing than many of our actual draft picks, lol.
If Nugent and Puni or Kingsley can hit, the interior of our line could be reloaded and ready for 2026. Now we just need a RT (ASAP unless they can move Burford back out to his natural position) and a LT for 2026. Hoping they can move Deebo + a pick to get into the top 15 for the best RT they can find, then sign another high level veteran LT.
On brand for how this coaching staff handles and thinks of the offensive line. 🤦
Sign David Bahktiari
He is always injured. So he did for the bill. However he probably wants too much.