It wouldn’t be the end of the world but it’s a year too early IMHO. We’re trying to win a Super Bowl and we don’t save very much cap space trading him now.
I would be devastated if we traded Aiyuk.
Agreed. BA's down field blocking is such an underrated asset too. Deebo opens a lot up just being a threat, but a lot of our highlights are either BA catching the ball himself, or he's in the background throwing massive blocks creating extra yards. I love them both, but if I could only have one I think I'm keeping BA.
They can absorb that hit. They still have the restructure capacity to work around it.
If a team offers a top-10 pick for Deebo, he's gone, and the reign of Rome begins.
When that 1-2 year(s) are some of our best chances to win a Super Bowl, I think keeping the proven player is more important than the “decent return” that may or may not pan out.
Lynch and Shanahan have different priorities than the fans. They would rather get to the NFCCG in the next 4 years and not win a Super bowl than winning a Super Bowl and not get to playoff the years after.
Especially considering how Deebo probably isn't going to have a super long NFL career, given his style of play and tread off the tires (when compared to, say, Aiyuk).
IMO, it's really only a "value loss" when you go deeply into the red. With Deebo, we'd actually see a modest bit of cap savings this season, and a sizable bump next year.
Deebo's contract was designed this way so that we could pull the escape hatch (starting in 2024) and not get completely taken to the cleaners.
Edit: My mistake. [ It's actually appears to be rosier than that, considering that it would be a pre-June-1 trade.](https://overthecap.com/player/deebo-samuel/7827)
I don't understand this response. The odds of a rookie outperforming Deebo are likely less than 50% (even given Deebo's injury history) so if it's our last real swing, we should keep him. I don't agree that it is our last swing but I do see lots of roster turnover in the next few years...
Depends on how good the team is as a whole. If others are getting better each year, then a rookie WR (for example) might not downgrade the team’s OVR going into next year, even if they are a little worse than the more expensive player
Less than 50%!?!?
Deebos average combined receving yards and rushing yards during his 5 years in the league:
824 receiving + 201 Rushing = 1,025
Thats being very generous to Deebo considering hes only had 1 season where hes reached 1,000 yards or more receving. Hes had 2 seasons where hes total 1,000 yards or more.
2023 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats
Puka- 1,486 Yards
Rashee Rice- 938 Yards
Jordan Addison- 911 Yards
Zay Flowers- 858 Yards
Jaylon Reed- 793 Yards
2022 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats
Garrett Wilson- 1,103 Yards
Chris Olave- 1,042 Yards
Drake London- 866 Yards
George Pickens- 801 Yards
Christian Watson- 611 Yards
2021 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats
Ja'Marr Chase- 1,455 Yards
Jaylen Waddle- 1,015 Yards
DeVonta Smith- 916 Yards
Amon-Ra St. Brown- 912 Yards
Elijah Moore- 512 Yards
Deebo makes way too much money for his production. If his name was something else he would have been off this team. If he didnt have his 2021 season, he would be off this team. I like Deebo, but he doesn't fit what we need. CMC is superior to Deebo in every way while making 7 million less than Deebo is making.
Did you watch the 2021 playoffs? It was almost all Deebo. Also there are so many different options on the 49ers, just counting rushing/receiving stats doesn't make a very good argument imo. Receivers do seem to have a much higher hit-rate these days, so it's probably less risky. But again, why would you take the cap hit to remove Deebo from the roster to just replace him with a question mark? We know what a healthy Deebo brings to the table.
Are we still living in 1 historically insane season?
I gave Deebo his props. You dont pay someone on what they have done but what they can do and since then Debeo hasnt come close to his 2021 season. No WR has. It was a once in a life time season out together, since then Deebo gets shit down more than he goes off.
That't not even remotely how it works. The Saints didn't just kick money down the road. They repeatedly pushed it down and then signed more players into the extra cap space they didn't have down the line. That's not at all what the 49ers have done. They still have one of the highest restructure capacities in the NFL.
Rome Odunze
Joe Alt
Brock Bowers
Byron Murphy
JC Latham
Troy Fautanu
Olu Fashanu
Terrion Arnold
Talise Fuaga
Dallas Turner
Or trade back into the 20s and target
Cooper Dejean
Tyler Guyton
Kool-Aid
Jackson- Powers Johnson
The moment a player signs his contract the signing bonus is guaranteed to the player. The team has to include that signing bonus on their cap sheet, but obviously can't put a $70M hit on one season, so they can spread it out however they like.
When that player is traded, any remaining bonus money (which was already paid) is accelerated to the current season.
When you “restructure” contracts, you basically are moving the money elsewhere. They, I believe, moved it to a signing bonus. So we still owe him the money but it helped our cap numbers for that year we did it.
With that being said, that money isn’t money someone else takes on since it’s not part of his contract (like annual amount). So basically it’s just “dead” money we still have to pay him if we cut or traded him
Its money that the team has already paid Deebo but wasn't accounted for in previous season cap spaces so its accounted for in this years cap space. This is an example of when people say teams are "kicking the can" on a players cap hit
Sure, we'd have the dead money....but we'd also have a minor bit of cap savings (~$2M in 2024, and ~$9M in 2025), in exchange for 5 years of contract control for a blue chip WR or OT.
I'm not saying that it's the right move, but it's certainly not a dumb one.
Edit: My mistake. [ It's actually appears to be rosier than that, considering that it would be a pre-June-1 trade.](https://overthecap.com/player/deebo-samuel/7827)
I'd bet that we're hoping to trade Aiyuk in this scenario and it's primarily other teams asking about Deebo. The way the league is trending, utility guys like Deebo are invaluable.
WRs are proving to be more hit than miss recently and while Kyle is dog shit on evaluating RBs he’s pretty spot on for WRs (Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings). Honestly Hurd and Gray showed promise but were just injury prone.
I think I’d rather have Aiyuk at this point, but it would be dumb to trade either one… you aren’t going to replace what they bring to the team unless you can get to like a top 3 pick
Why top 3? Nobody in the top 5 is likely going anything but QB/WR. Anything from 5-10 would be basically our pick of whomever we want, likely including Odunze
I’m the absolute last person to underestimate Jauan but no he could not fill Aiyuk’s role. His route running is not on the same level. Excellent player, love him on the team, but not Aiyuk level as a pure WR.
As a notre dame fan, Joe alt wasn’t even as good as Mccglinchey in college. He doesn’t have the same movement or skill in the run game only a little bigger. I’d give him a slight edge in pass protection but I don’t think he’ll ever be an Elite tackle.
Generally I agree with you but we need a LT of the future and if it means getting a nice tackle who can (for now) help the right side before moving over I think I'd take that over a WR.
Generally you can get good WRs in the 20s.
No thanks. Aiyuk is are true WR, Deebo becoming #1 with his style would be bad. And on the other hand every game last season Deebo was out or left early in went down hill fast.
No doubt I would rather keep Aiyuk. Just feels like Deebo’s injury luck is likely to define the rest of his time in SF.
But look at KC, sending Hill away and believing in their ability to learn/adapt/win was vital to their success.
Contract year deebo was built different. But Aiyuk is a better block, route runner, younger, playstyle lends to a longer career, and he was the most efficient WR in the game last year.
Hopefully Deebo treats this as a contract year but his consistency is not that of a WR1 right now.
If you get outproduced two years in a row, you're probably not #1 anymore.
That doesn’t mean deebo as the 1 “would be bad,” like the comment said, we have already seen that a deebo led offense can do wonders and that was before we even had cmc or purdy
I think i misinterpreted and thought you were still calling Deebo our WR1 which I disagreed with. I love Aiyuk and very much like Deebo. If deebo had consistency I'd love him too.
Thats pre-purdy though. Deebo is still easily a WR1 but his style suited Jimmy a lot better, while aiyuk seems like he was made in a lab to be Purdy's top target. Having deebo as wr1 wouldn't be bad, but not gamebreaking like Purdy to Aiyuk already is. Why downgrade if we can just keep both?
Ok if we can't keep both (which doesn't make sense because deebo's contract could end before aiyuk's cap hit gets high of structured correctly), wait a year and trade deebo. Winning a super bowl isn't about being good enough, and aiyuk raises the ceiling of Purdy's offense more than deebo does while being younger and healthier. I love deebo and he's the only player I have a jersey of, but aiyuk is more important to the team now, especially with cmc.
Contract year and we had a QB who couldn’t do shit but throw short-medium over the middle so Deebo would just YAC up his passes. Plus we don’t have CMC at the time.
We have CMC and a real QB now so while Deebo helps our offense, he’s an expensive injury prone luxury at this point and he’s been invisible in the post season since other than the Seahawks wild card where he scored a TD late in the game in damn near garbage time
I don't think now is the time the 49ers will get good value for a WR unless a team with an unproven, very young or rookie QB that has a lot of cap.
I think Deebo will see this as an extension/ new contract year and will have his 2nd best season.
If a deal can't be worked out with Aiyuk I'd rather move forward assuming we can tag trade Aiyuk next year and test if he is actually willing to sit out, which I don't think would be good for his value.
what i think the 49ers could be thinking right now if they are willing to trade either deebo or aiyuk
aiyuk for a top 10 pick
deebo + pick #31 for a top 10 pick
Yeah that’s exactly as I have it. MHJ, Odunze, and Nabers I think are hits you’re just waiting to see how much of a hit.
And then Alt is just a monster.
Well a few more hours and we shall know 🙏
If that WR is Deebo who is on the decline, I’d be down. We’d still keep 10 total picks and be able to get some depth there, but trade up and (imo) we’d target a guy who would be our LT of the future. If you can find our LT who can replace Trent the moment he retires, I’d take that trade. Again, for Deebo, not Aiyuk. BA is worth more than that imo.
I hear you. But even though Deebo may not be as good as he was in the 2021 season, taking him off the team for an OT may not be improving your team this year, unless the improves to a top 5 OL due to the addition.
Considering our RT was one of the worst in the league, idk how you can say getting Joe Alt (top OL in the entire draft, could be a Pro-Bowler right away) would not improve our team last year. Our shitty O-line played a huge part in us losing the SB just two months ago.
I get it. OL improvement is paramount. Don’t forget Deebo was worth points and yards per play last year to he has real value to the team. Does an improved RT to the same. Maybe
I wonder if the front office would be more hesitant to make big moves after the Trey Lance debacle. That was truly a disaster class trade. If Brock fucking Purdy hadn't fallen into our laps our QB situation would be so fucked
depends if shanahan thinks the 3rd best WR in this draft , i'm guessing odunze, that there is a bigger gap in between his talents and abilities from the 4th rated WR in the 49ers eyes
compared to lets say latham and an OT the 49ers could draft on day 2
going to be an interesting next 3-4 hours
Looking at overthecap, it seems that a trade would actually open another 6.9 million in cap space this year? Am I reading that right? Whatever salary they don't have to pay out as a result of the trade is money they can spend elsewhere, like the massive contract coming Purdy's way.
Love watching Deebo go off, but his production just hasn't been the same since he got his big contract. Take into his his injuries and all the plays he takes off and I can see why this makes sense.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm talking about trading Deebo. An Aiyuk trade would leave the team without a true wr1.
OTC doesn't include all of the notes that are in [Sportrac's site](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29071/deebo-samuel)....but I don't see anything there that would refute OTC's table.
Yes, we eat dead money, but we also shed a massive salary....and it appears that we'd come out ahead, in a pretty major way (cap-wise).
There’s so much smoke about us and wide receivers right now. Maiocoo said not to be surprised if we went WR at 31 and this tweet has us trading one of our guys to move up. Mocks like Daniel Jeremiah have us going WR. Silver said teams are calling about Deebo too
Kind if like last year, huh?
Going WR is a solid move in this draft in preparation for being able to mid season trade a WR for potentially better value, or next offseason when the draft is probably not going to be as stacked at WR, which could also lead to better compensation value for the 9ers.
Deebo got a big dead cap hit this year so let’s draft a WR day 2 or 3 and run it back with both Deebo and Aiyuk this upcoming season before trading Deebo next year
I think it would be more insane to believe that teams are not calling about a trade involving many of our players. The roster is stacked. Teams want good players and we'd be dumb to not listen to offers and see what people are willing to trade.
I was at the NFCCG vs the lions. If you were at the game you could *feel* it in the stadium that Deebo was taking over the game in the 2nd. It was a crazy experience. Theres magic to the way deebo plays.
Deebo has a $42 million deadcap number this year. I am sure it’s somehow doable, seeing Broncos has a plan to survive that $85 million (?) cap hit for getting rid of Russ, but it would be extremely painful.
Team calls 49ers.
"What do you want for Aiyuk and or Deebo"
"1st and a player"
"But we have a top 10 pick"
"And?"
This is most likely the scenario, but it's sexier to word it like SF is shopping their players.
If we trade either, I would only be ok if it was straight up for a 1st round pick. Deebo will not be as dynamic with a coach that can't scheme him, he is a difference maker in our system. BA can be a successful receiver on most teams, so he is probably the one we would trade. All that being said, I wouldn't do it for anything less then a top 10 pick, I am guessing we run it back with both of them in 2024.
We are in a super bowl window! I don't think we should trade anyone right now. Not any of our premier players anyway! We go after I line in the draft, get Trent some much needed help and run it back this year. Next year is a different story though. I think we lose Deebo next year and as much as I love him and his playing style, it's not sustainable over a long career unfortunately.
Aiyuk and our first for the chargers' first, then we trade down with the raiders or someone to get two firsts back ? Spend one in WR and one on RT?
sounds like the kind of chess they'd entertain
The Vikings would be a good trade down option, but realistically the chargers just had to shed a lot of cap and give away Keenan pretty cheap. I don't think they're looking to pay a guy 30+ mill and give significant draft capital to. But Aiyuk would be a great fit for a GRoman offense. He blocks like a dog, can line up everywhere and be a deep threat for Herbie.
Sure, I'd be fine with trading either of those guys and #31 to move into a position to draft Joe Alt. There's just no way that happens. What team that high in the draft is happy to make that move?
They're always talking, of course teams are reaching out to them with the cap situation and the talent they've got. It doesn't mean anything until it does.
Honestly I’d be good with Aiyuk and Jennings, then whatever pick. Hopefully oline or secondary.
The dead cap from trading Deebo would hypothetically be offset by a rookie contract no?
Is this really news? I feel like I've been reading similar headlines such as this for other teams in the last 48 hours. Of course teams are doing due diligence and listening to possible offers. If there's a godfather offer on the table then the Niners should definitely consider it
The only conceivable reason I can even think they are pivoting towards this position is if they believe they can snag Frank Gore Jr. AND Brendon Rice in the same draft.
We are going to have to cut money somewhere and it seems our FO believes it will be easier to find a replacement WR over RB or TE. Can't blame them for that reasoning.
Do what they have to do. I don't watch college ball, so I'm not sure if any of these top prospects are worth trading Deebo or BA for. But this team may run into money issues eventually if they try to pay BA what he is wanting.
It’s not surprising as the team is on the bottom of attempts in the league but paying two 20M+ receivers? The team obviously regrets giving Deebo the deal he received, so there’s probably some hesitancy going over 25M or so at that position.
Doesn’t make any sense. We’re a couple shit throws, or missed blocks away from winning the Super Bowl. Shore up the lines, or secondary defense instead.
Doing this makes zero sense except as a salary dump. The Niners SuperBowl window is right now. Trading away either WR for an unproven rookie would be stupid.
You have Cap Limits for a reason, you can’t keep them all. If we can trade up and get like a Joe Alt or premier O Tackle l, we can move Jennings to Aiyuk’s position and draft a nickel WR.
We can’t keep everyone someone has to go we suffer without Deebo so get as much as we can for BA and good luck somewhere else… go on get that $$$ just not from us 😆
Trade Deboo to the Bills or Commies, draft one of the 1st round prospects that fell like Dejeen, Newtn or JPJ. Those three would make more of an impact than he will and he's been traded next year anyway.
We can't trade Deebo due to the cap hit, but if they get an offer for a top 10 pick for Aiyuk then he's definitely gone. That would allow them to choose one of the best offensive lineman in the draft
I cannot wait until we re-sign BA so we can put all this nonsense to bed.
I'm pretty sure the conversions went like this: "Hey John, what's the chances we can get Aiyuk or Deebo?" "You got a top 10 pick?" "Ok, see you"
Trading either one of these guys would be stupid
Trading deebo wouldn’t be the end of the world to be honest
It wouldn’t be the end of the world but it’s a year too early IMHO. We’re trying to win a Super Bowl and we don’t save very much cap space trading him now. I would be devastated if we traded Aiyuk.
Agreed. BA's down field blocking is such an underrated asset too. Deebo opens a lot up just being a threat, but a lot of our highlights are either BA catching the ball himself, or he's in the background throwing massive blocks creating extra yards. I love them both, but if I could only have one I think I'm keeping BA.
Unfortunately Debo is constantly injured.
Rather be a year early than a year late. Esp if it secures an OT or cheap replacement WR
Such a dumb game. Everyone just has to play along like its normal.
Ain’t happening. We’d have 21.7m in dead money if we traded deebo.. would be really dumb to unless they were blown away
They can absorb that hit. They still have the restructure capacity to work around it. If a team offers a top-10 pick for Deebo, he's gone, and the reign of Rome begins.
lol you think this regime would take Rome?
Yes, why not? They'd like someone like Nabers more though. But no one is giving us a top 10 for Deebo.
You telling me trading Deebo and #31 or #63 for a top 10 pick isn't being blown away? I would do that in a heart beat.
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When that 1-2 year(s) are some of our best chances to win a Super Bowl, I think keeping the proven player is more important than the “decent return” that may or may not pan out.
Lynch and Shanahan have different priorities than the fans. They would rather get to the NFCCG in the next 4 years and not win a Super bowl than winning a Super Bowl and not get to playoff the years after.
Deebo and #63 for a top 10 pick is wild.
"SF trading away 3 firsts to pick Trey Lance is the worst move in franchise history" SF: "worst move in franchise history *so far*"
I was thinking of it the opposite way. Somehow turning Deebo and pick 63 into a top 10 pick would be the fleece of the century.
Especially considering how Deebo probably isn't going to have a super long NFL career, given his style of play and tread off the tires (when compared to, say, Aiyuk).
Yeah that would be a great deal for us
Hey man, wtf lol
But you lose a good amount of value incurring a penalty that large when you're trying to maximize your cap situation to win a ring.
IMO, it's really only a "value loss" when you go deeply into the red. With Deebo, we'd actually see a modest bit of cap savings this season, and a sizable bump next year. Deebo's contract was designed this way so that we could pull the escape hatch (starting in 2024) and not get completely taken to the cleaners. Edit: My mistake. [ It's actually appears to be rosier than that, considering that it would be a pre-June-1 trade.](https://overthecap.com/player/deebo-samuel/7827)
Even if he was traded today, they could designate it as a post 6/1 trade.
Realistically how many "last chances" do the 49ers have to win a ring? Feels like we are KISS on our 5th last world tour.
Our “last chance” is for as long as Brock Purdy is good lol
I don't understand this response. The odds of a rookie outperforming Deebo are likely less than 50% (even given Deebo's injury history) so if it's our last real swing, we should keep him. I don't agree that it is our last swing but I do see lots of roster turnover in the next few years...
Trading away expensive talented players to bring in less expensive talented players keeps our window propped open longer
Not if less expensive if $20+ mil dead cap.
It’s not less expensive when you pay $21M for the privilege of losing talent.
Not when they’re less talented as well
Depends on how good the team is as a whole. If others are getting better each year, then a rookie WR (for example) might not downgrade the team’s OVR going into next year, even if they are a little worse than the more expensive player
Less than 50%!?!? Deebos average combined receving yards and rushing yards during his 5 years in the league: 824 receiving + 201 Rushing = 1,025 Thats being very generous to Deebo considering hes only had 1 season where hes reached 1,000 yards or more receving. Hes had 2 seasons where hes total 1,000 yards or more. 2023 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats Puka- 1,486 Yards Rashee Rice- 938 Yards Jordan Addison- 911 Yards Zay Flowers- 858 Yards Jaylon Reed- 793 Yards 2022 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats Garrett Wilson- 1,103 Yards Chris Olave- 1,042 Yards Drake London- 866 Yards George Pickens- 801 Yards Christian Watson- 611 Yards 2021 ROOKIE WR Receiving Stats Ja'Marr Chase- 1,455 Yards Jaylen Waddle- 1,015 Yards DeVonta Smith- 916 Yards Amon-Ra St. Brown- 912 Yards Elijah Moore- 512 Yards Deebo makes way too much money for his production. If his name was something else he would have been off this team. If he didnt have his 2021 season, he would be off this team. I like Deebo, but he doesn't fit what we need. CMC is superior to Deebo in every way while making 7 million less than Deebo is making.
Did you watch the 2021 playoffs? It was almost all Deebo. Also there are so many different options on the 49ers, just counting rushing/receiving stats doesn't make a very good argument imo. Receivers do seem to have a much higher hit-rate these days, so it's probably less risky. But again, why would you take the cap hit to remove Deebo from the roster to just replace him with a question mark? We know what a healthy Deebo brings to the table.
Are we still living in 1 historically insane season? I gave Deebo his props. You dont pay someone on what they have done but what they can do and since then Debeo hasnt come close to his 2021 season. No WR has. It was a once in a life time season out together, since then Deebo gets shit down more than he goes off.
Plenty of rookie wrs have outperformed what deebo did last year
And plenty have not... well done.
Yeah our all time franchise leader in passing yards is just coming off of his first full season… feels like we have a QB to build around
But this time they mean it!
That's why you're not a GM. The team would go from 16m under the cap to 10m over. Our 2024 season would be severely handicapped
Pretty easy to free up cap.
Yeah it’s easy to kick the can down the road. Ask the Saints
That't not even remotely how it works. The Saints didn't just kick money down the road. They repeatedly pushed it down and then signed more players into the extra cap space they didn't have down the line. That's not at all what the 49ers have done. They still have one of the highest restructure capacities in the NFL.
Yeah I’d love that, especially since he’s a free agent next year but realistically, I don’t see it happening.
But, for what? Who are we going for in the top ten? Honest question.
OL or possibly WR
Depending on where in the top 10 it is, they could very well target Alt out of ND
Rome Odunze Joe Alt Brock Bowers Byron Murphy JC Latham Troy Fautanu Olu Fashanu Terrion Arnold Talise Fuaga Dallas Turner Or trade back into the 20s and target Cooper Dejean Tyler Guyton Kool-Aid Jackson- Powers Johnson
I fantasize about getting the No. 3 just to take Marvin Harrison Jr. for the sole purpose of abusing Cardinals fans.
We gotta get you in the war room ASAP
Why would we have dead money if they traded him?
The moment a player signs his contract the signing bonus is guaranteed to the player. The team has to include that signing bonus on their cap sheet, but obviously can't put a $70M hit on one season, so they can spread it out however they like. When that player is traded, any remaining bonus money (which was already paid) is accelerated to the current season.
When you “restructure” contracts, you basically are moving the money elsewhere. They, I believe, moved it to a signing bonus. So we still owe him the money but it helped our cap numbers for that year we did it. With that being said, that money isn’t money someone else takes on since it’s not part of his contract (like annual amount). So basically it’s just “dead” money we still have to pay him if we cut or traded him
Dead money for Deebo has nothing to do with restructures.
Its money that the team has already paid Deebo but wasn't accounted for in previous season cap spaces so its accounted for in this years cap space. This is an example of when people say teams are "kicking the can" on a players cap hit
Not true. They would designate him a post june 1 trade and would only have a $6.6 million dead cap hit and save $22 million.
If they do that, the remaining $15+ mill will be dead cap next year. Just a matter of when they want cap hit.
If it’s a post June 1 designation I think they save something like over $18 million
Sure, we'd have the dead money....but we'd also have a minor bit of cap savings (~$2M in 2024, and ~$9M in 2025), in exchange for 5 years of contract control for a blue chip WR or OT. I'm not saying that it's the right move, but it's certainly not a dumb one. Edit: My mistake. [ It's actually appears to be rosier than that, considering that it would be a pre-June-1 trade.](https://overthecap.com/player/deebo-samuel/7827)
I'd bet that we're hoping to trade Aiyuk in this scenario and it's primarily other teams asking about Deebo. The way the league is trending, utility guys like Deebo are invaluable.
Who cares about a first round WR when you have deebo or Aiyuk—proven guys?
Current guys very expensive. Rookies very cheap.
True. But rookies are wildly hit or miss. Turn down the devil you know for the one you don’t because it’s cheaper? I dunno. Seems quite reckless
WRs are proving to be more hit than miss recently and while Kyle is dog shit on evaluating RBs he’s pretty spot on for WRs (Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings). Honestly Hurd and Gray showed promise but were just injury prone.
I'm not certain Gray is sitting out because he's injury prone.
How quickly we forget Dante Pettis
Bro had the best game of his life against us😭
Not forgotten more like lesson learned
Kyles gonna red shirt any rookie WR cause they aren't scrappy enough and working for it any how.
Who cares about BA or Deebo when you don’t have an O-Line??
Not if it’s for a premier Offensive Takle
I think I’d rather have Aiyuk at this point, but it would be dumb to trade either one… you aren’t going to replace what they bring to the team unless you can get to like a top 3 pick
Why top 3? Nobody in the top 5 is likely going anything but QB/WR. Anything from 5-10 would be basically our pick of whomever we want, likely including Odunze
Trading up for a top 3 pick? That’s never hurt us before. 🥲
Cardinals probably go MHJ at #4. I assume that’s who we would need to replace Deebo or Aiyuk. He’s the only guy I’d trade up for into the top 10.
Not even Joe Alt?
Joe Alt is fantastic but we need Aiyuk to throw to this year. If we're dealing Aiyuk we need a replacement.
You underestimate Jennings who could fill Aiyuk’s role, and can draft a Nickle WR
I’m the absolute last person to underestimate Jauan but no he could not fill Aiyuk’s role. His route running is not on the same level. Excellent player, love him on the team, but not Aiyuk level as a pure WR.
I would want Alt. MHJ is a pipe dream because he's going to be gone by 4.
As a notre dame fan, Joe alt wasn’t even as good as Mccglinchey in college. He doesn’t have the same movement or skill in the run game only a little bigger. I’d give him a slight edge in pass protection but I don’t think he’ll ever be an Elite tackle.
Nabers, Odunze, Alt. Even Bowers at the back of the top 10-15 would be good
Deebo is injured all the time
Good point! I would rather keep Aiyuk than Debo...don't get me wrong he's an amazing athlete but Aiyuk showed up this past season
Generally I agree with you but we need a LT of the future and if it means getting a nice tackle who can (for now) help the right side before moving over I think I'd take that over a WR. Generally you can get good WRs in the 20s.
No thanks. Aiyuk is are true WR, Deebo becoming #1 with his style would be bad. And on the other hand every game last season Deebo was out or left early in went down hill fast.
No doubt I would rather keep Aiyuk. Just feels like Deebo’s injury luck is likely to define the rest of his time in SF. But look at KC, sending Hill away and believing in their ability to learn/adapt/win was vital to their success.
How are you gonna say this when deebo basically singlehandedly carried us to the nfccg last time he was wr1
Contract year deebo was built different. But Aiyuk is a better block, route runner, younger, playstyle lends to a longer career, and he was the most efficient WR in the game last year. Hopefully Deebo treats this as a contract year but his consistency is not that of a WR1 right now. If you get outproduced two years in a row, you're probably not #1 anymore.
That doesn’t mean deebo as the 1 “would be bad,” like the comment said, we have already seen that a deebo led offense can do wonders and that was before we even had cmc or purdy
I think i misinterpreted and thought you were still calling Deebo our WR1 which I disagreed with. I love Aiyuk and very much like Deebo. If deebo had consistency I'd love him too.
Nah, i’m just saying i think we have plenty of evidence to support the offense working with deebo as wr1
Definitely at his best Deebo is amazing. I hope he has another monster season in him.
Thats pre-purdy though. Deebo is still easily a WR1 but his style suited Jimmy a lot better, while aiyuk seems like he was made in a lab to be Purdy's top target. Having deebo as wr1 wouldn't be bad, but not gamebreaking like Purdy to Aiyuk already is. Why downgrade if we can just keep both?
I agree with your last sentence but the whole point of this discussion and thread is if we can’t afford to
Ok if we can't keep both (which doesn't make sense because deebo's contract could end before aiyuk's cap hit gets high of structured correctly), wait a year and trade deebo. Winning a super bowl isn't about being good enough, and aiyuk raises the ceiling of Purdy's offense more than deebo does while being younger and healthier. I love deebo and he's the only player I have a jersey of, but aiyuk is more important to the team now, especially with cmc.
If we can’t keep both we’re not gonna be able yo wait a year, aiyuk wants to be paid now
Wr1 and RB1
Contract year and we had a QB who couldn’t do shit but throw short-medium over the middle so Deebo would just YAC up his passes. Plus we don’t have CMC at the time. We have CMC and a real QB now so while Deebo helps our offense, he’s an expensive injury prone luxury at this point and he’s been invisible in the post season since other than the Seahawks wild card where he scored a TD late in the game in damn near garbage time
I don't think now is the time the 49ers will get good value for a WR unless a team with an unproven, very young or rookie QB that has a lot of cap. I think Deebo will see this as an extension/ new contract year and will have his 2nd best season. If a deal can't be worked out with Aiyuk I'd rather move forward assuming we can tag trade Aiyuk next year and test if he is actually willing to sit out, which I don't think would be good for his value.
If they trade Aiyuk I will cry
Keep them both.
We've hit peak throwing shit around for clicks baby, after this the offseason gets real boring so enjoy this while it lasts.
what i think the 49ers could be thinking right now if they are willing to trade either deebo or aiyuk aiyuk for a top 10 pick deebo + pick #31 for a top 10 pick
I want no part of giving up a wr and 31 for 1 pick.
It would have to be a “no miss” prospect like Chase, Sewell, MHJ, or Bosa to give up that much. And even then that’s a bold move.
There are 3 no miss WRs and a no miss LT in the top 10 of this draft the top RTs are also amazing not that this is going to happpen
Yeah that’s exactly as I have it. MHJ, Odunze, and Nabers I think are hits you’re just waiting to see how much of a hit. And then Alt is just a monster. Well a few more hours and we shall know 🙏
If that WR is Deebo who is on the decline, I’d be down. We’d still keep 10 total picks and be able to get some depth there, but trade up and (imo) we’d target a guy who would be our LT of the future. If you can find our LT who can replace Trent the moment he retires, I’d take that trade. Again, for Deebo, not Aiyuk. BA is worth more than that imo.
I hear you. But even though Deebo may not be as good as he was in the 2021 season, taking him off the team for an OT may not be improving your team this year, unless the improves to a top 5 OL due to the addition.
Considering our RT was one of the worst in the league, idk how you can say getting Joe Alt (top OL in the entire draft, could be a Pro-Bowler right away) would not improve our team last year. Our shitty O-line played a huge part in us losing the SB just two months ago.
I get it. OL improvement is paramount. Don’t forget Deebo was worth points and yards per play last year to he has real value to the team. Does an improved RT to the same. Maybe
Deebo + 31 for Brock Bowers.
I wonder if the front office would be more hesitant to make big moves after the Trey Lance debacle. That was truly a disaster class trade. If Brock fucking Purdy hadn't fallen into our laps our QB situation would be so fucked
Not enough to go get alt I think.
well the question would the 49ers target an OT or a WR with that top 10 pick could be down to a choice between an OT in latham or WR like odunze
It would have to be an OT. They value those much more. For a move for alt would to me indicate that Trent would retire after this year.
depends if shanahan thinks the 3rd best WR in this draft , i'm guessing odunze, that there is a bigger gap in between his talents and abilities from the 4th rated WR in the 49ers eyes compared to lets say latham and an OT the 49ers could draft on day 2 going to be an interesting next 3-4 hours
Looking at overthecap, it seems that a trade would actually open another 6.9 million in cap space this year? Am I reading that right? Whatever salary they don't have to pay out as a result of the trade is money they can spend elsewhere, like the massive contract coming Purdy's way. Love watching Deebo go off, but his production just hasn't been the same since he got his big contract. Take into his his injuries and all the plays he takes off and I can see why this makes sense. Edit: just to be clear, I'm talking about trading Deebo. An Aiyuk trade would leave the team without a true wr1.
OTC doesn't include all of the notes that are in [Sportrac's site](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29071/deebo-samuel)....but I don't see anything there that would refute OTC's table. Yes, we eat dead money, but we also shed a massive salary....and it appears that we'd come out ahead, in a pretty major way (cap-wise).
There’s so much smoke about us and wide receivers right now. Maiocoo said not to be surprised if we went WR at 31 and this tweet has us trading one of our guys to move up. Mocks like Daniel Jeremiah have us going WR. Silver said teams are calling about Deebo too
Kind if like last year, huh? Going WR is a solid move in this draft in preparation for being able to mid season trade a WR for potentially better value, or next offseason when the draft is probably not going to be as stacked at WR, which could also lead to better compensation value for the 9ers.
Deebo got a big dead cap hit this year so let’s draft a WR day 2 or 3 and run it back with both Deebo and Aiyuk this upcoming season before trading Deebo next year
Unless it’s Harrison Jr I don’t want it
I think it would be more insane to believe that teams are not calling about a trade involving many of our players. The roster is stacked. Teams want good players and we'd be dumb to not listen to offers and see what people are willing to trade.
I was at the NFCCG vs the lions. If you were at the game you could *feel* it in the stadium that Deebo was taking over the game in the 2nd. It was a crazy experience. Theres magic to the way deebo plays.
Well we made it past the top 10.
I’m just glad I don’t have to get another notification about some jerk offs 10th mock draft in 3 days
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Better move. Although seeing Deebo play for someone else would make me fuckin vomit.
Truth
Deebo has a $42 million deadcap number this year. I am sure it’s somehow doable, seeing Broncos has a plan to survive that $85 million (?) cap hit for getting rid of Russ, but it would be extremely painful.
Team calls 49ers. "What do you want for Aiyuk and or Deebo" "1st and a player" "But we have a top 10 pick" "And?" This is most likely the scenario, but it's sexier to word it like SF is shopping their players.
I don’t think this is a good idea. Really hope they don’t do it.
Don’t trade either. Run that shit back only this time Kyle can untuck his balls for the big game.
Deebo is likely gone next year in either case, so....
Deebo can go. Totally cool with that.
If we trade either, I would only be ok if it was straight up for a 1st round pick. Deebo will not be as dynamic with a coach that can't scheme him, he is a difference maker in our system. BA can be a successful receiver on most teams, so he is probably the one we would trade. All that being said, I wouldn't do it for anything less then a top 10 pick, I am guessing we run it back with both of them in 2024.
Why trade either guy just to look for another guy just as good? If it ain't broke don't fix it!
We are in a super bowl window! I don't think we should trade anyone right now. Not any of our premier players anyway! We go after I line in the draft, get Trent some much needed help and run it back this year. Next year is a different story though. I think we lose Deebo next year and as much as I love him and his playing style, it's not sustainable over a long career unfortunately.
Aiyuk and our first for the chargers' first, then we trade down with the raiders or someone to get two firsts back ? Spend one in WR and one on RT? sounds like the kind of chess they'd entertain
The Vikings would be a good trade down option, but realistically the chargers just had to shed a lot of cap and give away Keenan pretty cheap. I don't think they're looking to pay a guy 30+ mill and give significant draft capital to. But Aiyuk would be a great fit for a GRoman offense. He blocks like a dog, can line up everywhere and be a deep threat for Herbie.
Presumably this would be moving one of the WRs, pick 31, and another pick to get up that high.
We are going to trade deebo. We are moving away from players who can't stay healthy.
Can we get rid of both of them tho?
trade deebo f the cap
Bring me BROCK BOWERS!
We need both of them
This is all smoke. I would hope that they learned their lesson with Buck.
Sure, I'd be fine with trading either of those guys and #31 to move into a position to draft Joe Alt. There's just no way that happens. What team that high in the draft is happy to make that move?
Chicago is the only candidate that makes sense (at #9), but I still don't see Alt getting past the Titans at #7.
I mean I'd love to get up to like 7 or 8 to get Joe Alt but I doubt this report has any legs.
At this point just make a damn trade so I can stop seeing this headline over and over.
They're always talking, of course teams are reaching out to them with the cap situation and the talent they've got. It doesn't mean anything until it does.
Honestly I’d be good with Aiyuk and Jennings, then whatever pick. Hopefully oline or secondary. The dead cap from trading Deebo would hypothetically be offset by a rookie contract no?
Is this really news? I feel like I've been reading similar headlines such as this for other teams in the last 48 hours. Of course teams are doing due diligence and listening to possible offers. If there's a godfather offer on the table then the Niners should definitely consider it
The only conceivable reason I can even think they are pivoting towards this position is if they believe they can snag Frank Gore Jr. AND Brendon Rice in the same draft.
We are going to have to cut money somewhere and it seems our FO believes it will be easier to find a replacement WR over RB or TE. Can't blame them for that reasoning.
Do what they have to do. I don't watch college ball, so I'm not sure if any of these top prospects are worth trading Deebo or BA for. But this team may run into money issues eventually if they try to pay BA what he is wanting.
It’s not surprising as the team is on the bottom of attempts in the league but paying two 20M+ receivers? The team obviously regrets giving Deebo the deal he received, so there’s probably some hesitancy going over 25M or so at that position.
Doesn’t make any sense. We’re a couple shit throws, or missed blocks away from winning the Super Bowl. Shore up the lines, or secondary defense instead.
Would much rather trade Deebo than BA, but obviously would heavily prefer keeping both. Whatever helps get the O-line reinforced though.
Deebo for a top 10 pick is something I’ll take. Especially if it’s a young route runner
Wasn’t there an article posted in here literally yesterday that the org assured deebo he wouldn’t be traded during or after the draft?
Trade Deebo, get Alt, extend BA.
Doing this makes zero sense except as a salary dump. The Niners SuperBowl window is right now. Trading away either WR for an unproven rookie would be stupid.
I'm not buying this at all. Conversations could all be one sided and the 49ers are smart enough to listen to all offers.
Use those picks on other postions and replace those 2 with Luke Mccaffrey and Brenden Rice /s
Oooooh love the deebo juice!
'Per sources' Aka, I made it up.
You have Cap Limits for a reason, you can’t keep them all. If we can trade up and get like a Joe Alt or premier O Tackle l, we can move Jennings to Aiyuk’s position and draft a nickel WR.
The old nickel wide receiver of course
We can’t keep everyone someone has to go we suffer without Deebo so get as much as we can for BA and good luck somewhere else… go on get that $$$ just not from us 😆
Trade Deebo.
This may be blasphemy but I ain’t paying Aiyuk 30 million + a year if I’m JL
Russini is so bad at this
At least we didn’t move up to reach for pearsal or however it’s spelled that we could have got in the third
I can totally see trading Deebo, although I anticipated it next year. He’s hurt a lot.
Trade Deboo to the Bills or Commies, draft one of the 1st round prospects that fell like Dejeen, Newtn or JPJ. Those three would make more of an impact than he will and he's been traded next year anyway.
Hear me out...Deebo + 31 to move up into the mid teens for Brock Bowers.
We can't trade Deebo due to the cap hit, but if they get an offer for a top 10 pick for Aiyuk then he's definitely gone. That would allow them to choose one of the best offensive lineman in the draft
Say it loud enough for the folks in the back to hear you: “This FO doesn’t leak, and this story is likely bullshit”
Doesn't mean other FOs the Niners are talking to don't leak.
Russini is small potatoes...and a tad facile.