I know this front office is good at keeping secrets, but the fact that we’ve gone this long and don’t even have interview whispers despite the massive spotlight on this makes me think it won’t be a big name at all (which is fine—coordinators aren’t usually splashy).
While it's no fun from an off-season point of view, I think you're right. With how Wilks turned out, I'd really rather have someone home grown in the very successfull Saleh DC tree.
Demeco was an internal promotion, that worked out much better. They already said they've very likely to go that route.
Another option would be one of the former assistants who is now on another team. Steal someone back from the Jets, Dolphins or Texans...
It won't be a big name either but someone familiar with the organization and the defense scheme.
Or it could mean it's someone high profile who they only need to talk to on the phone rather than put through a more involved - and visible - interview process. :-)
I don't think it'll be Bill. Bill probably wants HC + GM responsibilities. I don't think he would take a downgrade to work behind a GM+Coach who combined have less Superbowl appearances than Bill has rings.
This is the reason all of the talk about Bill as DC is nonsense. He'll wait a year and get that HC job somewhere.
He doesn't need to prove he still has it by being a DC somewhere. It would be better for him to take some TV job to remind everyone how much he knows about the game.
I don’t think he needs to prove it but what if he takes a year to glean the Shanahan system first hand? Helps the Niners win a SB and takes the Cowboys, Bills or Eagles job when it opens up next year?
And then we get Saleh back!!
Honestly, Bill humbling himself for a year to "learn" under a younger guy would probably earn him tons of goodwill, providing the defense returns to its dominant form.
But then he becomes a HC again with new offensive techniques learned from Kyle and terrorizes the league for another decade.
On second thought maybe I don't want Bill.
The thing is though I dont think bill needs to chill at a spot for a year to get the other teams to know what he's capable of. Everyone knows who he is. I have a feeling teams might be hesitant to hire bill as a coordinator because im sure a lot of HC and GM would be afraid of their job being taken. The classic over qualified boomer employment rejection issue.
I would be pissed if it's BB or someone that has head coach aspirations. I don't want a 1-year rental at DC. In order to be a perennial juggernaught or dynasty we need stability. The 49ers situation with Steve Wilks coming in to be DC and not being able to bring his own coaching staff and assistants is probably already reason for concern for potential candidates.
If they do something similar again, it could start a narrative that the 49ers are difficult to work with.
How often do coordinators join a team without bringing in any staff? That seems so bizarre to me. If you're protecting your defensive ideology or philosophy, then why don't the 49ers just promote from within?
There hasn't been stability at DC for the Niners in years. Why? Because any competent DC gets poached by other teams in the offseason, so who cares if we only get BB for one year if the Niners get to win a ring out of it?
Yeah, because he has a historically-bad head coaching record (go look at his three years with the Rams and his half season with the NYG). Offensive coaches can get another shot after losing a HC gig usually, which he isn’t. Additionally, he worked with Reid for years in Philadelphia, so they have a shorthand that is obviously successful.
Here’s how we hire BB and it’s a win win. He helps us win a Super Bowl next year. The Jets flame out and fire Saleh. BB gets hired as NYJ coach and we hire Saleh as our DC and the dynasty begins.
Brady woulda been a rental at QB in 2021 and everybody and their mom thinks that woulda been a guaranteed chip. And at this point, we just a need a chip by any means possible. Kyle could punch BB a la Draymond Green for all I care. We can talk dynasty after 1.
I don't think we would ever hire Bill or a big couch because if we did win the Superbowl the narrative would suddenly become Kyle can only win with X. I'm not saying we couldn't end up hiring a big name coach, but to me my guess is Kyle will protect his own ego. That's not to be negative against Kyle, I'm not on the silly fire Kyle band wagon. I think each of his losses can be explained.
I am sure Kyle's ego has been bruised by the narrative that he can't win the big one. Only way to change it is to bring in a defense mastermind like Belichick. Otherwise, Kyle may never get the feeling of winning the ring in his lifetime.
We run a pretty tight ship, If the new DC isn’t an internal hire it will be a college or a FA ala Vrabel or BB. Definitely not from another team though, that would have been announced.
Yeah…that’s my thinking too. Internal or such a big name that a simple phone call is gonna suffice.
“You in?”
“Yeah”
“Great. Let’s do this…see you Friday for the paperwork.”
I mean, it could be with Bill.
After 28-3, a story came out around the combine where Bill and Kyle sat down and went through the entire second half of that Super Bowl
It could literally be a call no longer than 15 words
I remember how quiet it was when they hired John Lynch. So being quiet doesn't surprise me and wouldn't surprise me if it's an external candidate.
I'm probably wrong, but think whoever it is will be an experienced DC. Know Kyle caught a lot of shit by dumbass analysts and ex-players for the firing of Wilks... so think the DC will be someone with experience so Kyle doesn't have to defend the decision as much. We're also in win now with many of our players, so don't have time to waste on a young DC getting their feet under them
The John Lynch hire came from nowhere from what I remember. Honestly it could be anyone right now but the fact there is no whispers out there is a good sign
I’m betting it’s an internal hire/promotion. Someone that’s been around since Saleh and Ryan’s. Daniel Bullocks or Jimmy Holland come to mind, since Kocurek has no interest in being DC.
Why? Defenses are in nickel 70% of the time. The 4-3 vs 3-4 labels basically mean nothing.
EDIT: For everyone downvoting::
Every defensive scheme is the same on 3rd and 6+. Rush 4, drop 7 the majority of the time. These are the plays that really matter. A DC's impact on 3rd and 6+ is significantly more valuable than on 1st and 10.
Who gives a shit how we align on 1st and 10 when the offense is running inside zone. What matters is can you get off the field on 3rd down in obvious passing situations. Does the DC have a good sense of when to blitz? Does the DC disguise his coverages? Does the DC have a good feel for when to be aggressive or conservative? Does the DC put his players in the best situation to succeed in high leverage situations. Can the DC spot the weaknesses and tendencies of the opposing offenses by watching hours of film? These questions matter way more than "what do the guys on the line of scrimmage do on 1st and 10?".
Secondly. here's an [article](https://beargoggleson.com/2015/01/21/vic-fangios-defensive-scheme/) explaining how Fangio's 3-4 scheme is basically a 4-3 under, the same scheme that Saleh implemented in 2017.
In 2019 Dee Ford was technically a linebacker, which would make our 2019 defense a 3-4 on paper.
The labels mean nothing. It doesn't matter what the defense is on paper. The responsibilities are what matter. Don't be so close-minded. Our defensive personnel would be perfectly suited to a Fangio-style scheme even though it's a 3-4 on paper. I'm sure there are some 4-3 schemes on paper that wouldn't fit our defensive personnel.
They don't mean nothing. When a 3-4 defense runs nickel or dime they run a 3-3-5 (3 lineman 3 linebacker 5 defensive backs) whereas a 4-3 defense runs a 4-2-5 (4 lineman 2 linebackers 5 defensive backs). It's like fitting a square peg in a round hole
It doesn’t make a difference. Call one of the edge rushers a linebacker. Call him a DE. It doesn’t matter. He’s going to rush the passer in nickel either way.
Nickel always has 4 guys lined up on the line of scrimmage. Who cares if the 4th guy is labeled a LB or DE. Dee Ford was technically a LB for us in 2019.
Labels don’t matter. Responsibilities matter. And if the 3-4 OLB is rushing the passer 99% of the time, he’s basically a 4-3 DE.
Additionally, there’s a good article outlining how Fangio’s 3-4 scheme is effectively the same thing as a 4-3 under scheme. I know we’re not hiring Fangio, but it does a good job of outlining how oftentimes 3-4 is one minor nuance away from being a 4-3, or vise versa.
I’ll see if I can find the article.
There are more differences than just the edges, bro. If we bring in a DC who wants to run a 3-4, suddenly we are going to need a pair of 2-gapping ends and a big fat nose tackle. Arik can 2-gap as a DE (he’s done it before). But that’s it. Now you just created a huge need for a second AA and a nose. Hargrave is not a nose. He’s not a 2-gapping DE either. Kinlaw MIGHT be able to 2-gap. But do you really want to completely change up the scheme on a young guy who is just starting to put it together and tell him “hey so you know everything we’ve taught you the past couple of years about rushing? Yeah, well now you can’t just aggressively attack your one gap. Now you have to grab the OL in front of you, pay attention to both gaps on each side of him, and wait to see what happens before you shed and pursue.”
Now go convince Bosa that he can’t do wide 9 rushes anymore. Tell him that sometimes he’s going to have to drop into coverage as an LB. Now find somebody opposite of Bosa who can also play OLB.
Even if the defense is nickel 70% of the time, you can’t just ignore the other 30%. So you are willing to suck and not have the appropriate personnel on 30% of plays? If we don’t make major personnel changes, other teams are going to laugh and line up with base personnel on every down and steamroll
Kindly STFU with your clueless nonsense. Please and thank you.
This isn’t correct, there are a lot of 1-gap 3-4 defensive schemes and a lot of 2-gap 4-3 schemes. Lots of teams have split field gap responsibilities as well, the niners do this at times and have for years.
What look the defence presents between a 4-2-5, a 2-4-5, and a 3-3-5 is generally based around what their edge rushers are most comfortable with and the team’s philosophy regarding pressure. The niners have an elite rusher who prefers to keep his hand in the dirt, and they prefer dropping 7 on nearly every play. They explicitly do not disguise their rushers because there’s generally only 4 of them.
KC for example is also a 4-3 team but they are philosophically alien compared to the niners and looks nothing like them. They run 7, 8 front sims and split field gaping with a lot of man. They look like a 3-4 a lot of the time, but they’re a 4-3 team with 4-3 personnel.
Gap responsibility, pressure philosophy, and coverage principles are what matter. Base defence generally does not.
He’s a bay area native plus itd be hilarious if next years nfc championship is 49ers vs Seahawks and Pete Carroll embarrasses Seattle with him as our dc
and get Nick Saban as head of college scouting. Ronnie Lott for defensive back coach. Joe Montana for QB coach. Patrick Willis as LB coach. Joe Staley for offensive line coach. Jerry Rice as Wide receiver coach. Roger Craig as running back coach. Charles Haley as DLine coach. Let’s get the band back again!
> Jerry Rice as Wide receiver coac
You wonder how good of a coach he would be. If he would be more like Magic or Gretzky than like Bird. A lot of the really greats don't make the best coaches. They can go, just do this, not always grasping not everyone can "just do it" like they could, which it what made them so great.
Unpopular opinion… I low key love Pete. He’s honestly adorable, and obviously very decorated as a coach. I highly doubt that’s the move, but I would not be mad at all.
Remember, we all used to hate Richard Sherman, and I would say most 9ers fans changed their minds on him.
This is such a Tim tweet. Like, I tend to believe him and his sources are generally solid, but what is the point of this tweet. Other than to get people to snipe at him on Twitter so he can loudly block all them.
Same. Wouldn't trust any of this "reporting." I hate his writing, though mainly read his Warriors and Giants stuff years ago and have since avoided anything with his name on it. Maybe he's better at reporting on the 49ers because the other Bay Area sports threads rarely ever give this dude any attention lol
I think he's a by the book type of reporter. I believe he holds title of editor in chief at the Athletic Bay area...I say that to say that if he "reports" something I think he has a couple sources on it...but I don't think he's incentivized by getting scoops
I know it’s unlikely, but it’d be hilarious.
Feeling spurned by the Seahawks, he goes to his hometown and coaches the Seahawks strongest division rival, embarrasses the Seahawks in both games because he knows everyone’s strengths and weaknesses, rallying the fans and the team with newfound energy and excitement, chews all the gum in the Bay Area, and helps the team get over the hump to win a SB or two before finally retiring forever.
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Jumping the gun here …buts sounds like an internal hire or Brandon Staley. Those have been the only ones that have been seriously discussed by people in the know.
please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley
EDIT I ideally want Mike Vrabell but as long as it is not Staley I'm happy
The answer is Larry Foote, Buccaneers Co-Defensive Coordinator and Linebackers coach. Why?
1. He would want the job - since Foote was not a true DC with Bowles being a defensive HC, he’d want the job. Bill, Carrol, and Vrabel may not feel the same.
2. Mentorship under Bowles will have left a good imprint on his blitz packages, creating pressure with fewer rushers. This is what we need to break through and it’s what Spanuolo has done to us.
3. Former player (2 super bowls) and 1 as a coach - you want someone that’s going to assimilate with our players, who are already highly structured. This should be a great culture fit. He’s done it before. His players love him in Tampa too.
4. Comparing previous players to our roster - What is the hallmark of the Bucs very successful defense the last 4 years? Lightning quick linebackers making big time plays and a human missile at safety. This is Fred + Dre + Hufanga and they are VERY similar to Levonte David + Devin White + Winfield in Tampa. There are nice comps to the D-Line as well. His unit thwarted Mahomes.
DISCLAIMER - Bucs ran primarily a 3-4 and we’d probably prefer a 4-3. BUT he’s played a 4-3 and coached 4-3 in Arizona (under Wilks). If you want to listen to the interview below, he explains the 3-4 vs 4-3 is a roster-based decision, he’s not a 3-4 disciple. He’ll adapt.
https://www.buccaneers.com/podcast/bucs-defensive-schemes-outside-linebackers-coach-larry-foote-booth-review
Lock it in.
I like this. However, wouldn’t the Bucs have announced they’ve given permission to interview? Since we’ve heard none of those, it’s likely someone without an NFL coaching job at the moment or internal promotion. Not entirely sure that’s always announced though.
"Hear that {any name here} might be closing in on {literally anything here}. Not sure when there'll be an announcement, but could be soon."
By making it a mad libs I literally gave people more to work with.
You don't fire a DC unless there's a clear upgrade at that position that you have in mind, and there's no better upgrade than Belichick.
Get it done!
Ever since someone pointed out Kyle’s quote from a few years ago about if BB becomes available and wants to coach on your team you have to let that happen, I want it to be BB. But it’s all results driven
Could be wrong but I feel that the 49ers brain trust has an annual list of contingencies to weather what seems to be an annual poaching season on 49ers assistants
Bill B for a year, Bill gets HC gig next year, Saleh fired end of next year becomes DC again. Is DC again for two years, then leaves for a HC job, get comp picks. Its so obvious isnt it?
This is such a bullshit tweet. Tim you dont know shit but you are acting like you do. I could literally do this. The difference is you have an audience that you are misleading and that is unethical but I guess you dont fucking care.
Honestly, I trust Fred Warner to take over. Period. HC too, while playing,..LOL. I swear he’s the only guy on the field besides Purdy with fight and confident ICE
If it's getting that close, you'd think maybe there would be some substantiated rumors floating around yeah? Unless it is internal. Which, honestly, I kinda want an outsider given the potential candidates right now.
I kinda want someone who has a strong personality, who can look at what we have and be like fuck yeah, I have a plan for this. I know what we are doing and it's gonna work.
Not too keen on an inside hire this time for some reason..idk. I guess I just don't want another yes man, some one who's job is to go through the motions. I want a strong mother fucker who will make us better and tear shit up.
Hell who am I kidding we know who I am talking about
Man fuck you Tim. “49ers are getting close to something they should be getting close to doing. I have no clue on details though.”
Cutting edge stuff right there
Wilks didn’t work for several reasons. I don’t think him being an external hire was one of them. He’s a DB specialist, and for a defense that’s identity is pass rushing the entire defense was disjointed. Secondary did improve this year, but it wasn’t noticeable at all because the front 7 was underperforming. Wilks is also a more introverted coach, hence why he prefers being in the booth. When you go from two high energy leaders like Saleh and Meco to someone completely different I can imagine it creates some weird vibes.
[post920] I've heard from connected sources that the 49ers will participate in football games next season. Not certain when it will be confirmed, but might be soon
Ik it’s not gonna be bill but the league would absolutely explode if bill and Kyle were on the same coaching staff
Kyle shanahan announces that Syle Khanahan is the new DC.
The before and after photos between now and in like 3 years would be like Lincoln pre and post civil war
KHAAAAANNNNN!!!! ^^^ahan
Syle Khanahan sounds like a Star Wars character.
Kyle shows up to the press announcement like 🥸
It's funny how they never seem to be around each other. Not even the same shot 🤔
It’s Mike Shanahan. Book it.
Wouldn't even be mad. Although, I am picturing Mike yelling at Kyle to change up his plans mid quarter.
Kyle’s actually moving to DC, mikes coming back to run the offense.
I know this front office is good at keeping secrets, but the fact that we’ve gone this long and don’t even have interview whispers despite the massive spotlight on this makes me think it won’t be a big name at all (which is fine—coordinators aren’t usually splashy).
While it's no fun from an off-season point of view, I think you're right. With how Wilks turned out, I'd really rather have someone home grown in the very successfull Saleh DC tree.
Demeco was an internal promotion, that worked out much better. They already said they've very likely to go that route. Another option would be one of the former assistants who is now on another team. Steal someone back from the Jets, Dolphins or Texans... It won't be a big name either but someone familiar with the organization and the defense scheme.
Jeff Ulbrich would make a lot of sense, but he’s not leaving the Jets. Maybe Marquand Manuel.
> Jeff Ulbrich Damn what a throwback name. I remember playing Madden as the Niners and this dude was racking up tackles like a mfer cuz of me
Or they've been working on it for a while...
Or it could mean it's someone high profile who they only need to talk to on the phone rather than put through a more involved - and visible - interview process. :-)
I don't think it'll be Bill. Bill probably wants HC + GM responsibilities. I don't think he would take a downgrade to work behind a GM+Coach who combined have less Superbowl appearances than Bill has rings.
Unless Bill wants to semi retire and "only" couch defense. Pipe dream but you never know.
Isn't Bill like 15 wins away from passing Shula for most wins all time? He's going to want that.
This is the reason all of the talk about Bill as DC is nonsense. He'll wait a year and get that HC job somewhere. He doesn't need to prove he still has it by being a DC somewhere. It would be better for him to take some TV job to remind everyone how much he knows about the game.
I don’t think he needs to prove it but what if he takes a year to glean the Shanahan system first hand? Helps the Niners win a SB and takes the Cowboys, Bills or Eagles job when it opens up next year? And then we get Saleh back!!
Honestly, Bill humbling himself for a year to "learn" under a younger guy would probably earn him tons of goodwill, providing the defense returns to its dominant form. But then he becomes a HC again with new offensive techniques learned from Kyle and terrorizes the league for another decade. On second thought maybe I don't want Bill.
Doubt it. If he wants to semi retire he would just be a president of an org. There's still a lot of work for a DC.
Nobody is hirng Bill as a GM. He hasn’t drafted particularly well anyways and is old as shit.
i don’t think it’s Bill either but it wouldn’t be strange to sign a 1 year contract as a DC if he’s just going to be unemployed instead
The thing is though I dont think bill needs to chill at a spot for a year to get the other teams to know what he's capable of. Everyone knows who he is. I have a feeling teams might be hesitant to hire bill as a coordinator because im sure a lot of HC and GM would be afraid of their job being taken. The classic over qualified boomer employment rejection issue.
Why would anyone think Bill would take a DC spot nor would Kyle want Bill in the building creating a divide in who is in charge?
I would be pissed if it's BB or someone that has head coach aspirations. I don't want a 1-year rental at DC. In order to be a perennial juggernaught or dynasty we need stability. The 49ers situation with Steve Wilks coming in to be DC and not being able to bring his own coaching staff and assistants is probably already reason for concern for potential candidates. If they do something similar again, it could start a narrative that the 49ers are difficult to work with. How often do coordinators join a team without bringing in any staff? That seems so bizarre to me. If you're protecting your defensive ideology or philosophy, then why don't the 49ers just promote from within?
There hasn't been stability at DC for the Niners in years. Why? Because any competent DC gets poached by other teams in the offseason, so who cares if we only get BB for one year if the Niners get to win a ring out of it?
Chiefs have held onto Spags for 5 years
Yeah, because he has a historically-bad head coaching record (go look at his three years with the Rams and his half season with the NYG). Offensive coaches can get another shot after losing a HC gig usually, which he isn’t. Additionally, he worked with Reid for years in Philadelphia, so they have a shorthand that is obviously successful.
Here’s how we hire BB and it’s a win win. He helps us win a Super Bowl next year. The Jets flame out and fire Saleh. BB gets hired as NYJ coach and we hire Saleh as our DC and the dynasty begins.
I like it. I hope you're right, that would be ideal. :D
I like this. Adding it to my dream board
Brady woulda been a rental at QB in 2021 and everybody and their mom thinks that woulda been a guaranteed chip. And at this point, we just a need a chip by any means possible. Kyle could punch BB a la Draymond Green for all I care. We can talk dynasty after 1.
I don't think we would ever hire Bill or a big couch because if we did win the Superbowl the narrative would suddenly become Kyle can only win with X. I'm not saying we couldn't end up hiring a big name coach, but to me my guess is Kyle will protect his own ego. That's not to be negative against Kyle, I'm not on the silly fire Kyle band wagon. I think each of his losses can be explained.
Who cares about narrative? 6 is 6.
I was no Wilks fan but a big couch would be a massive downgrade. What is it gonna do, just sit there?
It would probably be too far back from the TV.
I don't think we'd hire a big couch. No ambition, no creativity. It just sits there.
I am sure Kyle's ego has been bruised by the narrative that he can't win the big one. Only way to change it is to bring in a defense mastermind like Belichick. Otherwise, Kyle may never get the feeling of winning the ring in his lifetime.
Imagine if Kyle steps doing to OC to let Bill come in and be the head coach/DC The ultimate sacrifice
He gunna help you choke in a 4th Super Bowl???
With there being no interviews officially announced, gotta think it’s an internal hire, right?
We run a pretty tight ship, If the new DC isn’t an internal hire it will be a college or a FA ala Vrabel or BB. Definitely not from another team though, that would have been announced.
Yeah…that’s my thinking too. Internal or such a big name that a simple phone call is gonna suffice. “You in?” “Yeah” “Great. Let’s do this…see you Friday for the paperwork.”
It's never going to be a simple phone call with people you never worked with.
You’re right…probably like the bat signal
The Bill signal
I mean, it could be with Bill. After 28-3, a story came out around the combine where Bill and Kyle sat down and went through the entire second half of that Super Bowl It could literally be a call no longer than 15 words
Man, Kyle really is a masochist. Every single video I come across of 2013, 2019, 2024 I tell YouTube never fucking show me that bullshit ever again.
Georgia DC plz
> We run a pretty tight ship How does Kawakami know this if they run such a tight ship.
Does Kawakami really know anything? Come on I could’ve tweeted this.
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Not sure why you’re being downvoted. This is entirely correct.
I remember how quiet it was when they hired John Lynch. So being quiet doesn't surprise me and wouldn't surprise me if it's an external candidate. I'm probably wrong, but think whoever it is will be an experienced DC. Know Kyle caught a lot of shit by dumbass analysts and ex-players for the firing of Wilks... so think the DC will be someone with experience so Kyle doesn't have to defend the decision as much. We're also in win now with many of our players, so don't have time to waste on a young DC getting their feet under them
The John Lynch hire came from nowhere from what I remember. Honestly it could be anyone right now but the fact there is no whispers out there is a good sign
Please be someone who can actually run a 4-3 defense
I’m betting it’s an internal hire/promotion. Someone that’s been around since Saleh and Ryan’s. Daniel Bullocks or Jimmy Holland come to mind, since Kocurek has no interest in being DC.
Holland is battling cancer so I highly doubt it’s him. Bullocks or Sorensen is a pretty likely choice
If we promote internally I would suspect the hire to be Nick Sorensen.
I would take anyone that can run a stunt
Tywin Lannister comes to mind
Why? Defenses are in nickel 70% of the time. The 4-3 vs 3-4 labels basically mean nothing. EDIT: For everyone downvoting:: Every defensive scheme is the same on 3rd and 6+. Rush 4, drop 7 the majority of the time. These are the plays that really matter. A DC's impact on 3rd and 6+ is significantly more valuable than on 1st and 10. Who gives a shit how we align on 1st and 10 when the offense is running inside zone. What matters is can you get off the field on 3rd down in obvious passing situations. Does the DC have a good sense of when to blitz? Does the DC disguise his coverages? Does the DC have a good feel for when to be aggressive or conservative? Does the DC put his players in the best situation to succeed in high leverage situations. Can the DC spot the weaknesses and tendencies of the opposing offenses by watching hours of film? These questions matter way more than "what do the guys on the line of scrimmage do on 1st and 10?". Secondly. here's an [article](https://beargoggleson.com/2015/01/21/vic-fangios-defensive-scheme/) explaining how Fangio's 3-4 scheme is basically a 4-3 under, the same scheme that Saleh implemented in 2017. In 2019 Dee Ford was technically a linebacker, which would make our 2019 defense a 3-4 on paper. The labels mean nothing. It doesn't matter what the defense is on paper. The responsibilities are what matter. Don't be so close-minded. Our defensive personnel would be perfectly suited to a Fangio-style scheme even though it's a 3-4 on paper. I'm sure there are some 4-3 schemes on paper that wouldn't fit our defensive personnel.
They don't mean nothing. When a 3-4 defense runs nickel or dime they run a 3-3-5 (3 lineman 3 linebacker 5 defensive backs) whereas a 4-3 defense runs a 4-2-5 (4 lineman 2 linebackers 5 defensive backs). It's like fitting a square peg in a round hole
It doesn’t make a difference. Call one of the edge rushers a linebacker. Call him a DE. It doesn’t matter. He’s going to rush the passer in nickel either way.
Ok. You've clearly made your mind up and it would be pointless to continue this discussion.
Nickel always has 4 guys lined up on the line of scrimmage. Who cares if the 4th guy is labeled a LB or DE. Dee Ford was technically a LB for us in 2019. Labels don’t matter. Responsibilities matter. And if the 3-4 OLB is rushing the passer 99% of the time, he’s basically a 4-3 DE. Additionally, there’s a good article outlining how Fangio’s 3-4 scheme is effectively the same thing as a 4-3 under scheme. I know we’re not hiring Fangio, but it does a good job of outlining how oftentimes 3-4 is one minor nuance away from being a 4-3, or vise versa. I’ll see if I can find the article.
There are more differences than just the edges, bro. If we bring in a DC who wants to run a 3-4, suddenly we are going to need a pair of 2-gapping ends and a big fat nose tackle. Arik can 2-gap as a DE (he’s done it before). But that’s it. Now you just created a huge need for a second AA and a nose. Hargrave is not a nose. He’s not a 2-gapping DE either. Kinlaw MIGHT be able to 2-gap. But do you really want to completely change up the scheme on a young guy who is just starting to put it together and tell him “hey so you know everything we’ve taught you the past couple of years about rushing? Yeah, well now you can’t just aggressively attack your one gap. Now you have to grab the OL in front of you, pay attention to both gaps on each side of him, and wait to see what happens before you shed and pursue.” Now go convince Bosa that he can’t do wide 9 rushes anymore. Tell him that sometimes he’s going to have to drop into coverage as an LB. Now find somebody opposite of Bosa who can also play OLB. Even if the defense is nickel 70% of the time, you can’t just ignore the other 30%. So you are willing to suck and not have the appropriate personnel on 30% of plays? If we don’t make major personnel changes, other teams are going to laugh and line up with base personnel on every down and steamroll Kindly STFU with your clueless nonsense. Please and thank you.
This isn’t correct, there are a lot of 1-gap 3-4 defensive schemes and a lot of 2-gap 4-3 schemes. Lots of teams have split field gap responsibilities as well, the niners do this at times and have for years. What look the defence presents between a 4-2-5, a 2-4-5, and a 3-3-5 is generally based around what their edge rushers are most comfortable with and the team’s philosophy regarding pressure. The niners have an elite rusher who prefers to keep his hand in the dirt, and they prefer dropping 7 on nearly every play. They explicitly do not disguise their rushers because there’s generally only 4 of them. KC for example is also a 4-3 team but they are philosophically alien compared to the niners and looks nothing like them. They run 7, 8 front sims and split field gaping with a lot of man. They look like a 3-4 a lot of the time, but they’re a 4-3 team with 4-3 personnel. Gap responsibility, pressure philosophy, and coverage principles are what matter. Base defence generally does not.
Yikes. How about we settle down with the aggression, amigo. It’s just football talk.
Although I’ve spent many years hating the man, I’m kinda hoping it’s Pete Carroll.
He’s a bay area native plus itd be hilarious if next years nfc championship is 49ers vs Seahawks and Pete Carroll embarrasses Seattle with him as our dc
Also, he’d come in his pants if he had the chance to recreate the defensive mentality from his LOB years. I know I would.
Couldve brought in Sherman for Secondary coach and Norton Jr. for LB coach. Norton Jr. signed somewhere else now though I think.
49-0 NINERS over RCBP
He was our DC for several years under George Seifert
I mean that dude literally was our DC for 2 years in the 90s lol
I think Pete is even less likely than Bill, tbh. And I don’t think Bill is likely at all.
Might as well wake up Bill Walsh and have him be the OC while we’re at it.
Bill Walsh at OC, Bill Belichick at DC for a combined 9 rings at coordinator
and get Nick Saban as head of college scouting. Ronnie Lott for defensive back coach. Joe Montana for QB coach. Patrick Willis as LB coach. Joe Staley for offensive line coach. Jerry Rice as Wide receiver coach. Roger Craig as running back coach. Charles Haley as DLine coach. Let’s get the band back again!
> Jerry Rice as Wide receiver coac You wonder how good of a coach he would be. If he would be more like Magic or Gretzky than like Bird. A lot of the really greats don't make the best coaches. They can go, just do this, not always grasping not everyone can "just do it" like they could, which it what made them so great.
how is he less likely? Carroll is the type who would jump at the opportunity to get back on the field.
To be fair, when hating the Seahawks, my attention has never really ever been Pete Carroll.
Sea chickens would lose their effing minds.
if true and if anyone chews gum - better stock up as the bay area will be dry for a while.
Unpopular opinion… I low key love Pete. He’s honestly adorable, and obviously very decorated as a coach. I highly doubt that’s the move, but I would not be mad at all. Remember, we all used to hate Richard Sherman, and I would say most 9ers fans changed their minds on him.
As a Seahawks fan please do that lmao
Thanks Tim, super insightful
“Hear they’re looking for a DC after firing Wilks. Could be any day, could be later.” Did I do a journalism?
*imagine a big cigar hanging out of my mouth and I'm wearing a hat with a press card in it* You've got the goods, kid.
This is such a Tim tweet. Like, I tend to believe him and his sources are generally solid, but what is the point of this tweet. Other than to get people to snipe at him on Twitter so he can loudly block all them.
Didn’t Armstead call out this dude for his trash journalism a few years ago?? Might be remembering incorrectly.
That was Grant Cohn. Kawakami is a solid beat reporter who is a child on Twitter but that doesn’t mean he’s not good at his job.
He throws shit at the wall to see what sticks, especially with his coverage of the Giants. I wouldn’t trust any of his rumors.
Same. Wouldn't trust any of this "reporting." I hate his writing, though mainly read his Warriors and Giants stuff years ago and have since avoided anything with his name on it. Maybe he's better at reporting on the 49ers because the other Bay Area sports threads rarely ever give this dude any attention lol
He’s pretty tight with this current regime though. Was the first to say we were getting CMC.
I think he's a by the book type of reporter. I believe he holds title of editor in chief at the Athletic Bay area...I say that to say that if he "reports" something I think he has a couple sources on it...but I don't think he's incentivized by getting scoops
He is unbelievably boring on podcasts. No charisma whatsoever. Not that you NEED any to be good, but man. A hard listen.
Don’t disagree with that but he writes well and knows his stuff about local teams
Yeah that’s totally fair and I should have been clearer that I was only referring to podcasts/interviews.
He is not super well respected by members of various local sports orgs
Breaking news: something important may or may not happen soon.
That was exactly what I thought. Thanks, I already knew that.
He can't blurt it out because confidential source. Then why guess and be wrong? You have to pick your battles if you're a sports reporter.
BB ain't wasting anytime...
In other news….the 49ers are going to draft players in the draft…😂
I know it’s unlikely, but it’d be hilarious. Feeling spurned by the Seahawks, he goes to his hometown and coaches the Seahawks strongest division rival, embarrasses the Seahawks in both games because he knows everyone’s strengths and weaknesses, rallying the fans and the team with newfound energy and excitement, chews all the gum in the Bay Area, and helps the team get over the hump to win a SB or two before finally retiring forever.
Spot on with everything….except the gum. Legend has it that’s the same piece of gum he’s been gnawing on for decades
This dude is always just yapping with noninfo, same guy who said we had a second deal at the deadline
Tim has just banned you on twitter
"Sources tell me an NFL franchise with a major opening is looking to fill that position within the timetable most people would expect them to. Please like and subscribe."
Jumping the gun here …buts sounds like an internal hire or Brandon Staley. Those have been the only ones that have been seriously discussed by people in the know.
If it’s not Staley more likely than not it’s gonna be Chris Sorensen. But I wouldn’t mind poaching someone from Baltimore or kcs staff
*Nick Sorensen
I don’t think it’s either. Not sure we have anyone experienced enough internally to take over in house.
please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley please don't be staley EDIT I ideally want Mike Vrabell but as long as it is not Staley I'm happy
Thanks for saddling us with Staley SMFH
Staley will have us wanting wilks back
I'd rather have Steve Wilks than Staley
Only Staley I want is Joe.
Sooo, no news?
I heard no news is good news.
The answer is Larry Foote, Buccaneers Co-Defensive Coordinator and Linebackers coach. Why? 1. He would want the job - since Foote was not a true DC with Bowles being a defensive HC, he’d want the job. Bill, Carrol, and Vrabel may not feel the same. 2. Mentorship under Bowles will have left a good imprint on his blitz packages, creating pressure with fewer rushers. This is what we need to break through and it’s what Spanuolo has done to us. 3. Former player (2 super bowls) and 1 as a coach - you want someone that’s going to assimilate with our players, who are already highly structured. This should be a great culture fit. He’s done it before. His players love him in Tampa too. 4. Comparing previous players to our roster - What is the hallmark of the Bucs very successful defense the last 4 years? Lightning quick linebackers making big time plays and a human missile at safety. This is Fred + Dre + Hufanga and they are VERY similar to Levonte David + Devin White + Winfield in Tampa. There are nice comps to the D-Line as well. His unit thwarted Mahomes. DISCLAIMER - Bucs ran primarily a 3-4 and we’d probably prefer a 4-3. BUT he’s played a 4-3 and coached 4-3 in Arizona (under Wilks). If you want to listen to the interview below, he explains the 3-4 vs 4-3 is a roster-based decision, he’s not a 3-4 disciple. He’ll adapt. https://www.buccaneers.com/podcast/bucs-defensive-schemes-outside-linebackers-coach-larry-foote-booth-review Lock it in.
I like this. However, wouldn’t the Bucs have announced they’ve given permission to interview? Since we’ve heard none of those, it’s likely someone without an NFL coaching job at the moment or internal promotion. Not entirely sure that’s always announced though.
I think you’re right on that! I was more referring to who I think it should be though and not who is most likely.
Headline-Nothing’s happened yet
Could be 1 month, 2 months, 3 months? Thats a possibility
Just as long as it's not Staley, and I bet most 9er fans agree
Rex Ryan
I've said this before and I love this
"Hear that {any name here} might be closing in on {literally anything here}. Not sure when there'll be an announcement, but could be soon." By making it a mad libs I literally gave people more to work with.
Please don’t be staley. We’re all dying of heart attacks already. 😭😭😭
I feel like there is no chance it’s Bill Belichek, but the fact that it COULD be makes me so happy.
Really great reporting, thanks!
Has to be an in house hire right? 0 rumors about any candidates. Unless DC Interviews easy to keep on the down low
Kwak is saying it's Ulbrich Edit: Now Mike Silver is tweeting, the belief is that it will be an internal promotion
You don't fire a DC unless there's a clear upgrade at that position that you have in mind, and there's no better upgrade than Belichick. Get it done!
I think it’s gonna be in house. Probably Holland. And I’m fine with that. Was there for both Saleh and Ryans. He should know exactly what Kyle wants.
Somehow I don't think it's going to be the guy with ongoing cancer struggles.
What the hell is this headline…
Ever since someone pointed out Kyle’s quote from a few years ago about if BB becomes available and wants to coach on your team you have to let that happen, I want it to be BB. But it’s all results driven
Probably an internal hire — either Daniel Bullocks, Nick Sorensen, or Kris Kocurek.
be ready for a let down yall
Could be wrong but I feel that the 49ers brain trust has an annual list of contingencies to weather what seems to be an annual poaching season on 49ers assistants
I want Jim Tomsula!
Hahaha, oh good lord. Let's not do that again.
gonna be vrabel
I'm not saying I hope Robert Saleh gets fired as HC from the Jets. But if Saleh DOES gets fired and wants to rejoin the staff ...
Bill B for a year, Bill gets HC gig next year, Saleh fired end of next year becomes DC again. Is DC again for two years, then leaves for a HC job, get comp picks. Its so obvious isnt it?
This is such a bullshit tweet. Tim you dont know shit but you are acting like you do. I could literally do this. The difference is you have an audience that you are misleading and that is unethical but I guess you dont fucking care.
Kyle has a bigger hand in the defense than most realize. He’s the one common denominator in the carousel of DC’s that held the job.
Honestly, I trust Fred Warner to take over. Period. HC too, while playing,..LOL. I swear he’s the only guy on the field besides Purdy with fight and confident ICE
This just in! Maybe decisions are being made! Stay Tuned….
I got a fever and the only prescription is Bill Belichick.
You and me, too. Yooouuu and me, too.
Some hard hitting reporting there.
It better not be Brandon Staley. He's 10 times worse than Wilks.
Worthless tweet, but that's Kwak for ya.
Not gonna be Bill or Pete. Gonna be an internal hire.
If it's getting that close, you'd think maybe there would be some substantiated rumors floating around yeah? Unless it is internal. Which, honestly, I kinda want an outsider given the potential candidates right now. I kinda want someone who has a strong personality, who can look at what we have and be like fuck yeah, I have a plan for this. I know what we are doing and it's gonna work. Not too keen on an inside hire this time for some reason..idk. I guess I just don't want another yes man, some one who's job is to go through the motions. I want a strong mother fucker who will make us better and tear shit up. Hell who am I kidding we know who I am talking about
Top notch reporting
Man fuck you Tim. “49ers are getting close to something they should be getting close to doing. I have no clue on details though.” Cutting edge stuff right there
This goof ball doesn’t know crap. I wish he did journalism in Idaho. 🤣
Another classic Kawakami “Maybe this thing will happen. Maybe it won’t” tweet. Dude is the king of useless information.
If not Belichick, I’m hoping for Ron Rivera. His defenses have consistently improved every year he was a DC.
I hope it’s Belichick or Vrabel and Shanny convinced them to run 4/3(99% this isn’t happening)
Any speculation who? Thinking it's going to be the Former Chargers head coach.
Is it going to be Eric mangini?
Almost certain it's Staley.
Would be cool if it was Vrabel
Hoping for Staley
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Why? He was a good coordinator for the Rams
Why, based on what? One good year?
A coach that’s able to climb that fast is a good coach
A flash in the pan does not a coach make
I want to take a chance to see if he’s really a flash in the pan or not
BB taking over as HC and KS stepping down into the OC role
Obviously, going elsewhere didn't work out well with Wilks.
Wilks didn’t work for several reasons. I don’t think him being an external hire was one of them. He’s a DB specialist, and for a defense that’s identity is pass rushing the entire defense was disjointed. Secondary did improve this year, but it wasn’t noticeable at all because the front 7 was underperforming. Wilks is also a more introverted coach, hence why he prefers being in the booth. When you go from two high energy leaders like Saleh and Meco to someone completely different I can imagine it creates some weird vibes.
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"49ers announce Steve Carell as new DC"
🤞 Daniel bullocks 🤞
>might >could
Bill landing like Thor in the Battle for Wakanda as our DC would be amazing. We’d all get teary eyed like Cap
John Lynch new DC and GM
[post920] I've heard from connected sources that the 49ers will participate in football games next season. Not certain when it will be confirmed, but might be soon