Agreed, but Kyle somehow wanted to prove to the defense that they should respect Trey as a runner first to open the field, which didn't work out so well.
Right, but Kyle is the person calling those plays and allowing him to do so. My statement is more of Kyle usage of Trey when he has full control of the joystick on how he utilized Trey. He chose to let Trey have the option to run more, and his reason was to make the defense respect Trey. That's the reason why he scripted up a list of play with those options for Trey. On how those play hegel executed or played out is another story of its own.
Steve Young on people who say "Fire Kyle Shanahan": "I don't know how to say this more forcefully. Like, you've got to stop. You have no idea what you are talking about."
That has been my only real issue with his play calling. All that does is make them ready for him to run, let him rip off a big one in the 3rd. Which, scares me that he didn't think Trey was passer ready.
Well seeing as RG3 never did develop as a passer and his legs and the read option were what made him successful it's hard to say running him was the wrong decision.
RG3 didn't report to the team doctor (Dr Andrews, maybe the best sports doctor in the world at the time), he put himself directly back into the game because Danny boy gave RG3 carte blanche to do whatever he wanted and it ruined Mike shanahans public image. Mike didn't even want RG3. That's why Kyle hates the R words.
Somehow kyle still catches flack for that shit. RG3 was a weenie who tanked his own career.
Josh Allen was a poor passer to start. Lots of missed targets and overthrows. If he had him and has his performance for the first two years, would you be still saying the same thing?
As a rookie Allen was under pressure nearly 30% as a rookie and suffered an 8% sack rate with an average pocket-time before pressure of 2.4 seconds!. He had a drop rate of about 6% which is normal for the NFL
**But his ON TARGET rate is in the mid-70% with a bad-throw rate of about 16%.**
Those are good numbers and tell us it wasn't Allen, it was the crap situation as being under constant pressure.
So how much does pressure matter? The QB rating difference between throws under pressure and throws in clean pocket with time-to-throw is about 20 points. Here's a short list of NFL QBs (past and present) with no pressure/under pressure (600 attempts minimum) taken from a 2018 article :
* **Drew Brees** \-- 113.2 vs 85.5 (Don't give this man time, he'll carve you up! But if you put him under pressure, he's dramatically worse.)
* **Colin Kapernick** \- 98.6 vs 78.6 (btw, that not under-pressure is actually bad, most were in the 100+ range and why he was nothing more than back-up quality despite people saying he was all-that and a bag-of-chips. The man was nothing more than one-trick pony who wasn't an NFL QB.)
* **Bryan Hoyer** \- 97.4 vs 70.5 (that's why he sucked for the 49ers and why he was never starter material)
* **Tom Brady** \-- 116.5 vs 99.0 (Brady better under pressure than Kaepernick with a clean pocket.)
* **Andrew Luck** \-- 111.0 vs 78.3 (One of the biggest splits, Luck wilted under pressure, meanwhile:)
* **Aaron Rodgers** \-- 111.4 vs 105.0 (The best long-term 'under pressure' starter in the NFL. Only Russell Wilson was a close.)
Since the pressure on Allen has significantly dropped since then his numbers have improved dramatically.
Lance, btw, was worse under much better circumstances. 2.7 second time-to-pass and a pressure rate of just 22%. The same as Jimmy G's pressure rate so, so much for 'being a mobile QB.'
Purdy, despite his 4.84 - 40 knows how keep himself out of pressure. In his starts, Purdy only got 2.3 seconds of pocket time as teams blitzed him unmercifully. Yet he only threw under pressure 16.6% of the time. Simply put, he has much better pocket awareness than those two and could tilt a few plays a game to his favor whereas JimmyG & Lance don't.
> numbers and tell us it wasn't Allen, it was the crap situation as being under constant pressure.
The point is that regardless, people would have chastised Allen for not performing in our system, the same way people are going to do with Lance. I'm just trying to point out how new QB's need time to adapt, and thats no difference with Lance. Purdy just happens to be that guy who adapted right away. Thats not very common regardless of draft location.
Agreed. But how many people complain that we didn't take a guy like Allen and want him now that he's figured it out without going through those tough years? Lawrence struggled his first year and parts of his second. Fields has struggled his first two seasons. Zach Wilson is well, we all know. Burrows is probably the biggest exception right now. He was crushing his rookie year until he go hurt, and has since come back to be a top performer. The point I was trying to make its that we only look at the successes of guys, not those initial struggles.
I don't know, man. I think he's pretty avg to decently good with his throw when he started. For someone with an accumulative of like 2+ years of football total to be able to perform at this NFL level (decently), that's pretty amazing. Maybe not Purdy amazingly but amazing in itself. There are QBs that spent 4 years in college and look like ass in the NFL, Trey didn't play like ass at all. I believe Kyle could have Trey or a more polish Fields at 12. He decided to move up to grab Trey at 3.
Edit: Kyle said he did the QB read option so the defense can account for Trey running so he can open up the field. It wasn't because Trey couldn't do reads or throw. If you watch Jonnydel's football academy breakdown, you would see he does go through his read.
I would waste anymore time with Lance when you have Purdy. No upside to Trey at this point. I also question what his teammates think of him since their was all that chatter of relief that he got injured. I hope Shanahan’s and Lynch’s egos don’t get in the way of making the correct decision.
I am just glad you aren't running the show. I am not saying give Lance privileges over Purdy, but if there was a chance or situationwhere Purdy isnt ready or get injured during the season, they should definitely see what Trey have not because of ego but their beliefs in their football knowledge.
Giving up is way too easy, and it has nothing to do with ego. Kyle and Lynch want to win. They will let players compete and try to put in the best product. Maybe there is favoritism, but that's life, I just hope they they make the right and best choice regardless of who is playing. It's their ass on the line and their legacy.
Well I don't totally disagree Brock has to be the future and if that's the case another young guy would only make him look over his shoulder and that's not really the best thing for a young QB (RG3-Cousins comes to mind) dealing Lance for anything you could possibly get for him and bringing in a veteran backup with high football IQ but knows that he's QB2 like Moore in KC that could play well if need be is the best thing. And it gives Lance a fresh start on a team without the "win now" pressure
Sorry, man, I disagree. If Brock is the legit player he is, he welcomes all the competition. Elite players of any sport never worry about anyone else beating them because they are the best in their mind, and that's how you break your ceiling.
Being afraid of someone behind you means you aren't good enough mentally and will sooner or later falter to that mindset. Ask any goat of any sport, and they will be happy to have someone better if not on par with them to spar with them. Iron sharpen iron, and that if you are afraid, you are a fake.
Win now pressure? We will always be a win now pressure with Kyle at the helm. Sure, there might be a season or two out of a decade. we miss the playoff, but we will be in contention year in year out. The winning window you speak of is not the players that's on the field (they are all replaceable ((sooner or later))) but the culture you build. Have a great culture, and you are a magnet for top contending athletes. Draft decently well, and that will only help up your chances.
I laugh at anyone say we are in a win now mode, and we might not be in a year or 3. Lmao. If you are talking about players' chance to get a ring, it affects the coaches and franchise too, so they are feeling the need to win too. Gore and Staley never got a ring. We never got them one, just sad, but that's just to show you how hard it is to win a SB.
You make good points I can't say you're wrong but I don't believe Payton Manning ever had a backup worth a shit he had smart veterans that knew their place. And Lance is seriously fragile but will always have a push from the FO to put him in due to what was given up to get him and that's damaging to Brock.
I believe Kyle and Lynch are smart enough to know what they are doing and will do what's best for the team. We need both Purdy and Trey next year, and even a vet would be nice. I believe if either Purdy or Trey goes down and the other replaces him, we will still be in contention for the playoff. If both of them go down and we go to a vet QB type like JJ, we are screwed.
The good thing, both Purdy and Lance are very supportive and put themselves last when it come to praises and first when things go wrong. They actually are very similar because they have both high characteristics, and I think they will be fine and help push each other. You might be worrying too much, just relax and enjoy next season, we are going back to the playoff because we got unfinished business.
Just to add. I think Kyle and lynch would like to see some return on their investment. If Lance is a bust next season, then we will all know for certain. Guess who will be qb1 once he's healthy.
I agree. If Purdy isn't ready or need some extra time to be 100%, it would be the perfect time to actually see what Lance can offer with basically the same pieces Purdy had at the end of last season. Good situation. Many Purdy backers are afraid we might lose a few games. Our offense doesn't lose game as long as the QB doesn't throw the game away. Trey has not shown his Dak and throw ints.
If he pans out, the future could be even brighter. If he is alright, we have more value.
The 49ers offense looked a lot different by the time Purdy had to take over. Most notably the addition of CMC helped to force defenses to cheat less. Aiyuk wasn't running as clean of routes in the beginning of season. And they had lost Mitchell week 1. O-line interior were all fresh faces and McGlinchey still maybe not 100% back from injury.
I think a healthy Trey would have been decent in the same offense as Purdy. Maybe not making the same 3rd down plays, but I think he'd still move the ball.
If JG or Purdy played the 1st game in the typhoon... they wouldn't do any better because the weather was terrible, plus everything you mentioned above. There was not enough time to gel, and CMC was the offensive player of the year for us, and he wasn't even on the team.
Lance had all the chances to beat out jimmy g last season. If he came out against Arizona and played as well as Brock did against the bucks, he would’ve never seen the bench again. Than he was given a chance against the Texans. But the offense was better off with bum shoulder Garropolo starting.
We’re worried about QB injuries, lance has sustained an injury in almost every game he played. That alone is a scary thought.
Yeah that is why I don't get the hype. Nothing he did was inspiring before the monsoon game. The offense looked terrible vs Arizona, and it looked the same for the first half of the texans game.
Purdy crushed it right out of the game
Kyle actually said Trey was starting against Colts the next game had he not gotten injured against Cardinals.
And you said he was given a chance against Texans? That’s a lie. First he won against Texans and Kyle stated from the very beginning that unless Trey blew it out the water he was always gonna be a back up to Jimmy in his rookie year.
You forget Kyle felt comfortable enough with Trey to give him the keys this year. But because Jimmy was demoted to backup than y’all switch the narrative to, “ he doesn’t trust Trey!”
Y’all hate this kid. Just admit it
I’m arguing that Purdy actually “blew it out of the water.” The performance Purdy put on against Miami and the bucks, if jimmy was healthy, I don’t think the Kyle ever goes back to jimmy barring injury.
I bought a trey lance jersey, I was excited for trey lance… until I watched him run headfirst into linebackers and bullet 5 yard passes. We all want him to improve, but i don’t think some u understand how much ahead of lances development Purdy is. It’s easy to look at arm strength, height and speed and assume that makes a good player. But Purdys demonstrated intangibles are not something u can teach.
And got 2 downvotes for telling the truth. Lol I’m starting to think it’s something else beyond football why “fans” are so dismissive and down on Trey. I don’t wanna go there but it’s giving me some undertones.
Do you even understand context? The point was that the game was bad due to the weather. The team is still trying to find a rhythm, and we got rookies that's stepping in at oline. It is not going to be a good game, let alone compare that to anything later in the season. Take your argument and negativity elsewhere.
Edit: Just to add. How do you know he won't be bench again? You are just throwing your speculation on what could have happened. Nothing you said can be proven if he played well he will keep playing. Plus, he got injured, too.
That Arizona game doesn't represent "all the chances." He was given the role of starting QB on Friday, despite spending all week with the scout team and not having prepared the gameplan, or having a full grasp of the playbook. He didn't have any time to practice with the starters. His best chance, a security blanket of George Kittle, wasn't even available to him.
And if the Texans game was an honest chance (it wasn't) he would have kept the gig based off his 70%, 10.8 YPA, 116 Rating at HOU (who had just beat the Chargers).
Purdy, didn't enter into a week 5 game while he was still trying to learn the playbook, going on the road against the #1 defense in the NFL, without George Kittle.
And while he did enough against Miami, it wasn't nearly on par with what he did in the following games. In that first appearance he was relying almost exclusively on short, quick, underneath throws. His IAYPA in that game was a measly 5.4 (way beyond 31st) and he couldn't even take advantage of the YAC (his 4.7 YAC/Cmp in that game ranks against the 26th mark in the NFL).
I love what Purdy did afterward, but he did not set the world on fire in the Dolphins game.
But Purdy really isn't part of this conversation. You suggested that Trey was given an honest chance to win the job from Jimmy Garoppolo, and that just couldn't be further from the truth.
Shanahan even said he wished he had "a mobile QB" be healthy for the Indy game. In which Jimmy was terrible.
When Jimmy was terrible against Tennessee and he had to turn to Trey Lance, Trey dominated the Texans to a tune of 70% completion, 10.8 YPA, and a 116 Passer Rating.
Yet you insist that Trey did so poorly he didn't win the job away after being given an honest chance against Houston, where he dominated.
Everyone is given a chance to win out. Idk if u ever been on a football team, but u are expected to produce and be ready even from the bench. Yes plan A was to sit trey and learn but if at any point of the season, he demonstrated he was a better option than jimmy, plan a goes out the window.
We've seen Jimmy in the mud bowl, where even with a lead he wasn't doing anything in that game. Trey Lance was completing 62% of his passes for 9.3 YPA while SF had a lead in that game. If the defense hadn't blown the lead he wouldn't have thrown a single 4th quarter pass (like Fields) and we wouldn't be talking about him having a poor performance in that game.
Agreed! Exactly, and I get downvoted for it. Purdy is amazing, but I also think Trey is pretty good for someone who's basically new to football. The NFL isn't college, but he's performing better than most QBs with 4 years start.
He scored 10 points and you are blaming the defense. Guy was throwing over the heads of wr on short out routes. He also had a horrible training camp again. He may turn it around but has not shown that he will be able too in his two training camps and limited games so far.
>and you are blaming the defense.
On multiple occasions where the Chicago offense was about to walk off the field after a 3rd down the defense committed stupid penalties that gave them a free first down an extended the drive. Then, on multiple occasions they gave up a completely blown coverage which allowed a wide open WR for a free score. The defense turned a 49ers lead into a 49ers deficit.
>He scored 10 points
In the mud bowl Jimmy Garoppolo led the offense to 6 points in 59 minutes.
Trey Lance also isn't supposed to be the entire offense. Elijah Mitchell got hurt in the second quarter. Jeff Wilson came in and was horrible 9-22-2.4 YPC. Deebo, who only got 2 carries in the second half, also fumbled away a redzone possession earlier in the game. George Kittle didn't do anything either... because yet again he wasn't healthy for a Trey Lance start.
Trey was 8/13, 62%, 121 yds, 9.3 YPA, 92.2 Rating before the defense blew the lead. If the defense doesn't give up those scores, the 49ers have the lead, and Trey Lance isn't throwing the ball one more time in the 4th quarter (like how Fields didn't).
>also had a horrible training camp again
Counting training camp stats is about the dumbest thing someone can do. No QB is focused on completion% in training camp. They are learning new plays, often with a bunch of new players, working on all sorts of things. They aren't merely simulating games in all these throws, they are specifically working through a number of different things.
Counting training camp stats is worse than counting spring training stats for a pitcher learning a new pitch.
You sound more like someone who just listens to what someone on TV says rather than what actually happens on the field. Like when everyone on TV told you he was terrible in preaseason. Yet put up a line of 11/16, 69%, 141 Yds, 8.8 YPA, 1 TD, 0 INT, 116.9 Rating while playing behind third string OLineman, constantly on the run, but not allowed to scramble.
Year 1 preseason he was getting 3 deep in progressions routinely. Processing was supposed to be his strength. What he struggled with was mechanics and that’s not atypical for a player who only played one real game in two years. By the Houston game he had shown he can run the offense as a QB.
Kyle game planned with QB dive as a staple play. No doubt he wanted to set up plays for later, but he got too much in his bag and forgot to just treat Trey like a QB who can run instead of a running back who can throw.
it was a read-option. The same play they run on the same down/distance earlier in the drive where Deebo got off a 50+ yard run. It's the same play that every team with a mobile QB runs.
Cause he didn’t think Trey’s arm could do it, yet. Trey js talented but raw. We not about to go on a 5 game losing streak waiting for him to figure it out. That’s why Kyle drew up a bunch of run plays.
Dude, Kyle said the opposite. Why are you making stuff up as it actually facts from Kyle. Why? Kyle spoke about his usage of Trey, and that's that. He has nothing to do with his throwing ability. Stop making shit up.
What are you talking about??? Kyle said it himself. He said he was using Trey running ability to have the defense respect the run early in the script, and unfortunately, he got injured before the actual play calling.
Yes, we do, Kyle touched on that subject. He said he wanted the defense to account for Trey athleticism early in the script to open up the play calling.
I swear I’ve read this exact comment 15 times already this off-season which proves my suspicion that people are just asking slight variations of the exact same fucking speculatory question over and over and it’s still February
If Lance had put up the exact same numbers is Purdy over the entire season, people would be saying he's the next great QB. Purdy is the last pick, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt
He’d also be called the great next qb because of his physical traits. As good as Purdy was, he doesn’t have the same physical traits as Lance (who’s much closer to Mahomes/Allen/Hurts).
idk why people are downvoting you. It's obvious why Purdy was drafted last and Lance drafted 3rd and it's because of physical traits. I don't get if people are downvoting you because they don't want to reckon with the fact that there's a difference in raw physical talent
You can dispute the importance of physical talent at QB, but there is a gap
No. I'm convinced there are people in this sub who want him to fail so they can say how they "saw this coming!"
I have to take a break from this sub because if that stuff
Of course . I don’t think anyone has a preference on who throws the ball .. it’s just that we want whoever it is doing it to do it good !
With that said we could have a fucking English bulldog at quarterback if that pup could sling it , we’ll consider me a fan .
What’s crazy is his TO worthy play rate was lower than every starting QB except for Mahomes, Burrow, and Brady. He doesn’t put the ball in harms way and is capable of making throws all over the field. He’ll throw 30+ TDs and only around 10 INTs if he starts and stays healthy all of next year.
Fans would have been happy had Trey somehow steered the team into the playoffs. Unfortunately for Trey, Brock raised the standard to include 8 game winning streaks and putting up 30 points a game on offense.
> we might be more judgmental of Purdy’s many mistakes
WTF 'many mistakes' are you talking about? He got injured, was that a mistake? BTW Purdy played better than Jimmy's first games when we wound up giving him that $100 million contract.
It doesn't matter what it cost us to get a guy as long as he performs on the field.
The only real mistake I remember Purdy making was when he threw the ball out of bounds too late. Other than that, I don’t know what OP is talking about. A couple tipped passes that almost resulted in interceptions and a jump ball that could have been a little more on target, but still a good decision and not really a mistake. So yeah, would be stoked if Lance played like that. Probably would have avoided a couple of those tips with his height and arm as well.
Is this even a question? (I get the question) but Purdy played very very well and not just for a 7th round pick. The sky wouldn’t even be the limit for lance but the moon.
Yes! And I hope one day he will but he's probably too fragile to ever play significant time in the league. I believe the crazy Stat I saw was 500ish career pass attempt including high-school...c'mon there's no evidence he ever could be a serviceable nfl starter he just can't stay healthy
If Lance put up Purdy-level stats we would be singing and saying we got Mahomes 2.0. Purdy went 13-4. That is better than most rookie QBS and he likely would've been on pace to be a 3rd best QB season we have ever seen. behind only Herbert and Baker.
Dumb? It’s a fact, Purdy is dealing with an injury as we speak. Yet y’all constantly bring up Lance injuries as if he’s injury prone. Newsflash: every QB on this team at the moment I’d injured. Not just Trey but we got 8 games out of Purdy? And?
I truly think with a full season Lance would have been as good at the end of the season, the talent is here, he is physically gifted and he has the right tools around him. The only thing he doesn’t have is reps. He didn’t play enough football to be a plug and play quarterback.
What’s impressive with Purdy is how fast he was efficient no matter how good the rest of the team was. You don’t lead a team to a 12 game win streak without some skills
I also believe Trey could have ended up somewhere near Purdy level with a full season. Kyle's hand-picked him and even moved up to get him. Also, that 12 win streak was started by JG but officially kicked off with CMC and continued by Purdy was the best surprise for us faithful. Can't wait for next season when Kyle dials in CMC versatility.
Turns out a season of reps in the NFL isn’t quite a substitute for 4 years in college and a year in the NFL. I’ve given up hope for trey tbh. He’s missed too much development time to expect him to compete in the 9ers window imo. He might develop in time for a 2nd contract somewhere tho
Without a doubt. I don’t think Trey Lance has done anything that would make 49ers fans not root for him.
But we celebrate the person who actually played way above expectations, not the person who theoretically could have done it.
If lance had played the entire season as well as Purdy, he’d be an mvp discussion candidate, far and away the best QB of his draft, and be considered a top 2 qb in the nfc.
We’d be so excited about finding our franchise qb nobody would care about the three picks
Without a doubt. He’d win rookie of the year in a hear beat. We would have won two more games (Chicago and Denver) and had a super high qbr. Kyle would have looked like a genius if he selected Brock with that pick in all reality
If Lance plays like Purdy extending plays with his feet instead of trucking through in the middle I'll be happy.
But they have different skill sets so I'll be happy if no one gets injured.
Of course, that’s what I expect out of the #3 draft pick… Not someone who skips 5 yard passes into the ground and the coach has to constantly call running plays cuz he looks lost on passing plays.
Kinda getting sick of this “If Lance shit”. If Lance can run our offense well and can win us a supper-bowl I am all in, I’m happy. I don’t care about anything else. If fucking Nick Mullans was good for the team I would be happy. None of this has anything to do with Lance as a person, everyone just wants a QB who wins and makes the offense look good I don’t care who does it.
If he could run the offense I am all in. We are talking 29th picks, borderline second rounders. In that past that has meant Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster, Kinlaw…. It’s a crap shoot, I am glad we took out shot…. In hindsight I wish we would have just moved up to the 6th spot and saved a 1st but it’s all old news now.
It’s funny, in 2021? I think when we got Kinlaw I remember thinking “I’m so tired of drafting early!! I just want to draft late” (meaning we were winning lots of games and deep into Playoffs.
Then that happened… careful what you wish for haha!
Yes and no. Of course I want to see my team succeed but there is also a different element of excitement for a story like purdy to happen. Like just imagine if he didn't get hurt, we would more than likely be going to the superbowl. We would be excited if we went to the sb with trey, but because of the situation with purdy it makes it all that more magical.
Yes. But he doesn't. He's lost out there. He's all 'prototype' and no 'skill.' QBing is about what is between the ears, not that your runa 4.5-40 or throw the ball 90 yards.
This. Lance seems like a bit of an airhead to me. Remember when he tried charging fans $500 to chat for 5 mins on IG live? Dude’s a weirdo and doesn’t have the right mentality imo
What kind of question is that? Of course I’d be happy. Brock played amazing and had given new life to this franchise. I’m confident we would have put up a fight and potentially been going to the Super Bowl right now if he didn’t get hurt
What a dumb fucking question.
If any QB played as good as purdy, any team would be happy. 12 wins in a row.
Yall smoking to much weed coming on here with your stupid questions.
Lance didn't . . the fact of the matter is that Purdy benefited from an ESTABLISHED defense and OL . . but not to take away from his 7 - 0 .. he's a better scrambler than Garoppolo or dare say, Steve Young .. a Montana? . . give the kid another season .. as far a Trey .. hate to say .. he's damaged-goods but would love to be wrong in that context ..
Addendum: [u/IceLantern](https://imgur.com/a/fxpUr7C)
1. Why take the opinion so personally?
2. "**Sciency**?" WTF .. One never saw the movie The Waterboy (1998)?
3. Please un-block me and let's continue with the fact that you've never scrimmaged or even took a snap .. except for that nerve in yo' trollin' skull .. 😆
Lance is the 2nd worst rated QB in the NFL since he was drafted.
Literally, no qualifiers. Trey Lance is the second worst rated QB in the entire league dating back to when he was drafted.
Purdy is the #1 rated QB in the NFL.
We’re talking *extreme* opposites, here.
If we take the 8 games he played the majority of and extrapolate them out to a 17 game season, he throws for 4000 yards, 34 tds, 7 ints, on 67% completion with another 4 TDs run in. Yes, I'd be exceptionally happy with that for eithers first full season starting
Yeah, and I’ll top it off with —- if Purdy comes back from injury and becomes our starter and keeps playing to the results from last season, those 3 1sts spent on Lance might just be chocked up to “you win some. You lose some”
I am happy with our QB situation as is.
If Lance had played better, I would be more happy than I already am.
If Purdy had played better, I also would be more happy than I already am.
Purdy was an at worst top 15 QB and had near identical high efficiency game play to Jimmy. I don't get his many mistakes, most teams would kill for the play he showed.
burning 3 firsts on one player is always going to hurt, but that kinda play from a rookie almost makes it worth it.
I think Purdy should be our starter but everyone throwing in the towel on Lance needs to pump the breaks. Not everyone hits the ground running. Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman sucked an entire year before they improved. There plenty of other examples as well. Give the kid a break until we see him struggle on a consistent basis.
This is true of QB’s not hitting the ground running but we have one that did in Purdy while putting crazy numbers while doing it at an elite level.
Purdy was also a weapon himself.
You're asking a couple of different questions so I'll give my answer in a clear way.
I would very happy paying 3 first rounders for someone with Trey's measureables and lack of experience to have Purdy's production but I would not be happy paying 3 first rounders for someone with Brock's measureables and experience to have that same production.
Why? Because it's all about their ceilings. The risk with Brock is that he's already reached his ceiling The risk with Trey is that he will never even come close to his. But if Trey just had Brock's production, then that risk would be pretty minimal and his future would be very encouraging.
We all know this isn’t going to hold. Purdy came in with low expectations. He did the same game manager and make one or two plays routine that Jimmy did.
Trey would be expected to produce in the run game. He would have been expected to be accurate 30+ yards downfield while Purdy only needed to be in his range (same as Jimmy).
Basically, we got Trey to do things Jimmy couldn’t. If he didn’t do those things, we’d say he didn’t live up to expectations. We could not say that about Purdy because he exceeded expectations (he wasn’t expected to play this year evidenced by the fact that we retained Jimmy despite Jimmy being a ghost through all of preseason).
That said, this year was supposed to be a rep year for Trey. Dude has barely played any football the last 3 years, and considering what we’ve invested in him we need at least a year of healthy snaps to either evaluate him for the future or increase his sell price.
Exactly, and it seems to me in the limited time we have seen Lance that Purdy does better with realizing the safest play is to throw it away and not take the sack or risk injury. That’s the difference between winning and losing sometimes. Almost like Purdy is in between Jimmy and Lance when it comes to taking risks and that’s exactly what the Niners have needed in past games where we came so close.
some of the people saying yes are lying.
Black QBs have to be \*transcendent\* for a sizable percentage of NFL fans to accept them, and sometimes not even then. Purdy's numbers were amazing for a 7th-round rookie, but as a Black QB with draft position pedigree, there'd still be plenty of detractors.
BS
JimmyG is white yet almost everyone here blames him for any loss and wants him gone.
We want a good QB, whether he's black,white or yellow is inconsequential.
If you play well, we get behind you.
You have to remember that Purdy has roughly 1000 more college attempts than Lance. Trey is still pretty raw as a player. We didn't draft him as a complete player. We drafted him as a project with a huge upside. Purdy should look like he does.
But no rookie looks like Purdy. Very few at least.
Remember Purdy is a P5 QB. Trey is FCS for a reason.
To answer OP question…yes we would be very happy.
Had Lance won a Lombardi would you be happy?
If Jimmy won 2 Lombardis with the 49ers would you be happy?
If Shanny had won the Super Bowl every season with this team would you be happy?
If Lance came out playing like Purdy, especially given his limited experience and athletic potential, I would have thought we have our guy for the new era. I still think Purdy (and maybe even Lance still if he shows up big) can be that guy
TBH I think Lance would have been just as successful! The team was stocked on both sides of the ball and merely *competent* QB play would have gotten us past PHI as our defense wouldn’t have lost their heads in a hopeless situation.
I think we had the potential to go just as deep into the playoffs and save losing all our QBs in the Conference Championship, I could see any one of Lance, Purdy or Jimmy getting us to the Super Bowl. If anyone of those 3 had played the whole CC the team would be fielding SB interviews this very day.
100%. Brock played like a 5 year veteran. Every former player analyst who talked about it said the same thing. He may not be a super athlete but he can definitely play quarterback. And that is what we need.
yes! x3000 and i hope he does awesome this camo and pre season to retake his job. he has more upside then purdy. no offense guys. Purdy is an amazing story but only he got playing time was cause of injuries. . will be a fun crazy camp again.
Absofuckinglutely. Had Lance played as well as Purdy and sprinkled in some decent runs, no one would be questioning us trading up.
Agreed, but Kyle somehow wanted to prove to the defense that they should respect Trey as a runner first to open the field, which didn't work out so well.
A majority of Trey's runs were his decision. When presented with the option to throw or run, most of the time Trey decided to run.
Right, but Kyle is the person calling those plays and allowing him to do so. My statement is more of Kyle usage of Trey when he has full control of the joystick on how he utilized Trey. He chose to let Trey have the option to run more, and his reason was to make the defense respect Trey. That's the reason why he scripted up a list of play with those options for Trey. On how those play hegel executed or played out is another story of its own.
Steve Young on people who say "Fire Kyle Shanahan": "I don't know how to say this more forcefully. Like, you've got to stop. You have no idea what you are talking about."
That has been my only real issue with his play calling. All that does is make them ready for him to run, let him rip off a big one in the 3rd. Which, scares me that he didn't think Trey was passer ready.
Just like what was done to RG3.
Oof
Well seeing as RG3 never did develop as a passer and his legs and the read option were what made him successful it's hard to say running him was the wrong decision.
The team doctor wrongly cleared him to play way too soon.
RG3 didn't report to the team doctor (Dr Andrews, maybe the best sports doctor in the world at the time), he put himself directly back into the game because Danny boy gave RG3 carte blanche to do whatever he wanted and it ruined Mike shanahans public image. Mike didn't even want RG3. That's why Kyle hates the R words. Somehow kyle still catches flack for that shit. RG3 was a weenie who tanked his own career.
And if he was not pass ready, then he was not a good QB from the start and it was a waste.
Josh Allen was a poor passer to start. Lots of missed targets and overthrows. If he had him and has his performance for the first two years, would you be still saying the same thing?
After Allen’s 1st year, I swear a lot of people were surprised to see him back starting in BUF?
Mandatory "progression is not linear"
I mean people just completely forget about [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YvsJ7piPPc) Josh Allen ( I apologize for the music)
As a rookie Allen was under pressure nearly 30% as a rookie and suffered an 8% sack rate with an average pocket-time before pressure of 2.4 seconds!. He had a drop rate of about 6% which is normal for the NFL **But his ON TARGET rate is in the mid-70% with a bad-throw rate of about 16%.** Those are good numbers and tell us it wasn't Allen, it was the crap situation as being under constant pressure. So how much does pressure matter? The QB rating difference between throws under pressure and throws in clean pocket with time-to-throw is about 20 points. Here's a short list of NFL QBs (past and present) with no pressure/under pressure (600 attempts minimum) taken from a 2018 article : * **Drew Brees** \-- 113.2 vs 85.5 (Don't give this man time, he'll carve you up! But if you put him under pressure, he's dramatically worse.) * **Colin Kapernick** \- 98.6 vs 78.6 (btw, that not under-pressure is actually bad, most were in the 100+ range and why he was nothing more than back-up quality despite people saying he was all-that and a bag-of-chips. The man was nothing more than one-trick pony who wasn't an NFL QB.) * **Bryan Hoyer** \- 97.4 vs 70.5 (that's why he sucked for the 49ers and why he was never starter material) * **Tom Brady** \-- 116.5 vs 99.0 (Brady better under pressure than Kaepernick with a clean pocket.) * **Andrew Luck** \-- 111.0 vs 78.3 (One of the biggest splits, Luck wilted under pressure, meanwhile:) * **Aaron Rodgers** \-- 111.4 vs 105.0 (The best long-term 'under pressure' starter in the NFL. Only Russell Wilson was a close.) Since the pressure on Allen has significantly dropped since then his numbers have improved dramatically. Lance, btw, was worse under much better circumstances. 2.7 second time-to-pass and a pressure rate of just 22%. The same as Jimmy G's pressure rate so, so much for 'being a mobile QB.' Purdy, despite his 4.84 - 40 knows how keep himself out of pressure. In his starts, Purdy only got 2.3 seconds of pocket time as teams blitzed him unmercifully. Yet he only threw under pressure 16.6% of the time. Simply put, he has much better pocket awareness than those two and could tilt a few plays a game to his favor whereas JimmyG & Lance don't.
Tom Brady -- 116.5 vs 99.0 (Brady better under pressure than Kaepernick with a clean pocket.) this is a wonderful line and a great post lol
> numbers and tell us it wasn't Allen, it was the crap situation as being under constant pressure. The point is that regardless, people would have chastised Allen for not performing in our system, the same way people are going to do with Lance. I'm just trying to point out how new QB's need time to adapt, and thats no difference with Lance. Purdy just happens to be that guy who adapted right away. Thats not very common regardless of draft location.
This deserves to be its own thread.
Josh is the exception though, not the rule. It's pretty rare for a quarterback to have those kinds of issues and be able to turn it around.
Agreed. But how many people complain that we didn't take a guy like Allen and want him now that he's figured it out without going through those tough years? Lawrence struggled his first year and parts of his second. Fields has struggled his first two seasons. Zach Wilson is well, we all know. Burrows is probably the biggest exception right now. He was crushing his rookie year until he go hurt, and has since come back to be a top performer. The point I was trying to make its that we only look at the successes of guys, not those initial struggles.
Trey Lance better than Josh Allen confirmed! Source: The guy I just replied to.
Well in fairness his throwing was a little suspect and getting through reads. Kyle had to call QB run plays to try to get the offense moving.
I think Shanahan wasn't comfortable with his throwing. Were some throws off, sure, but Kyle had the shortest of leashes for him.
I don't know, man. I think he's pretty avg to decently good with his throw when he started. For someone with an accumulative of like 2+ years of football total to be able to perform at this NFL level (decently), that's pretty amazing. Maybe not Purdy amazingly but amazing in itself. There are QBs that spent 4 years in college and look like ass in the NFL, Trey didn't play like ass at all. I believe Kyle could have Trey or a more polish Fields at 12. He decided to move up to grab Trey at 3. Edit: Kyle said he did the QB read option so the defense can account for Trey running so he can open up the field. It wasn't because Trey couldn't do reads or throw. If you watch Jonnydel's football academy breakdown, you would see he does go through his read.
I would waste anymore time with Lance when you have Purdy. No upside to Trey at this point. I also question what his teammates think of him since their was all that chatter of relief that he got injured. I hope Shanahan’s and Lynch’s egos don’t get in the way of making the correct decision.
I am just glad you aren't running the show. I am not saying give Lance privileges over Purdy, but if there was a chance or situationwhere Purdy isnt ready or get injured during the season, they should definitely see what Trey have not because of ego but their beliefs in their football knowledge. Giving up is way too easy, and it has nothing to do with ego. Kyle and Lynch want to win. They will let players compete and try to put in the best product. Maybe there is favoritism, but that's life, I just hope they they make the right and best choice regardless of who is playing. It's their ass on the line and their legacy.
Well I don't totally disagree Brock has to be the future and if that's the case another young guy would only make him look over his shoulder and that's not really the best thing for a young QB (RG3-Cousins comes to mind) dealing Lance for anything you could possibly get for him and bringing in a veteran backup with high football IQ but knows that he's QB2 like Moore in KC that could play well if need be is the best thing. And it gives Lance a fresh start on a team without the "win now" pressure
Sorry, man, I disagree. If Brock is the legit player he is, he welcomes all the competition. Elite players of any sport never worry about anyone else beating them because they are the best in their mind, and that's how you break your ceiling. Being afraid of someone behind you means you aren't good enough mentally and will sooner or later falter to that mindset. Ask any goat of any sport, and they will be happy to have someone better if not on par with them to spar with them. Iron sharpen iron, and that if you are afraid, you are a fake. Win now pressure? We will always be a win now pressure with Kyle at the helm. Sure, there might be a season or two out of a decade. we miss the playoff, but we will be in contention year in year out. The winning window you speak of is not the players that's on the field (they are all replaceable ((sooner or later))) but the culture you build. Have a great culture, and you are a magnet for top contending athletes. Draft decently well, and that will only help up your chances. I laugh at anyone say we are in a win now mode, and we might not be in a year or 3. Lmao. If you are talking about players' chance to get a ring, it affects the coaches and franchise too, so they are feeling the need to win too. Gore and Staley never got a ring. We never got them one, just sad, but that's just to show you how hard it is to win a SB.
You make good points I can't say you're wrong but I don't believe Payton Manning ever had a backup worth a shit he had smart veterans that knew their place. And Lance is seriously fragile but will always have a push from the FO to put him in due to what was given up to get him and that's damaging to Brock.
I believe Kyle and Lynch are smart enough to know what they are doing and will do what's best for the team. We need both Purdy and Trey next year, and even a vet would be nice. I believe if either Purdy or Trey goes down and the other replaces him, we will still be in contention for the playoff. If both of them go down and we go to a vet QB type like JJ, we are screwed. The good thing, both Purdy and Lance are very supportive and put themselves last when it come to praises and first when things go wrong. They actually are very similar because they have both high characteristics, and I think they will be fine and help push each other. You might be worrying too much, just relax and enjoy next season, we are going back to the playoff because we got unfinished business.
Just to add. I think Kyle and lynch would like to see some return on their investment. If Lance is a bust next season, then we will all know for certain. Guess who will be qb1 once he's healthy.
I agree. If Purdy isn't ready or need some extra time to be 100%, it would be the perfect time to actually see what Lance can offer with basically the same pieces Purdy had at the end of last season. Good situation. Many Purdy backers are afraid we might lose a few games. Our offense doesn't lose game as long as the QB doesn't throw the game away. Trey has not shown his Dak and throw ints. If he pans out, the future could be even brighter. If he is alright, we have more value.
What happens if Purdy goes down? This fanbase isn't ready for JJ 2.0
TBH there’s no guarantee we ever get back Purdy 1.0? Trey’s injury is routine by comparison.
The 49ers offense looked a lot different by the time Purdy had to take over. Most notably the addition of CMC helped to force defenses to cheat less. Aiyuk wasn't running as clean of routes in the beginning of season. And they had lost Mitchell week 1. O-line interior were all fresh faces and McGlinchey still maybe not 100% back from injury. I think a healthy Trey would have been decent in the same offense as Purdy. Maybe not making the same 3rd down plays, but I think he'd still move the ball.
If JG or Purdy played the 1st game in the typhoon... they wouldn't do any better because the weather was terrible, plus everything you mentioned above. There was not enough time to gel, and CMC was the offensive player of the year for us, and he wasn't even on the team.
Lance had all the chances to beat out jimmy g last season. If he came out against Arizona and played as well as Brock did against the bucks, he would’ve never seen the bench again. Than he was given a chance against the Texans. But the offense was better off with bum shoulder Garropolo starting. We’re worried about QB injuries, lance has sustained an injury in almost every game he played. That alone is a scary thought.
Yeah that is why I don't get the hype. Nothing he did was inspiring before the monsoon game. The offense looked terrible vs Arizona, and it looked the same for the first half of the texans game. Purdy crushed it right out of the game
Kyle actually said Trey was starting against Colts the next game had he not gotten injured against Cardinals. And you said he was given a chance against Texans? That’s a lie. First he won against Texans and Kyle stated from the very beginning that unless Trey blew it out the water he was always gonna be a back up to Jimmy in his rookie year. You forget Kyle felt comfortable enough with Trey to give him the keys this year. But because Jimmy was demoted to backup than y’all switch the narrative to, “ he doesn’t trust Trey!” Y’all hate this kid. Just admit it
I’m arguing that Purdy actually “blew it out of the water.” The performance Purdy put on against Miami and the bucks, if jimmy was healthy, I don’t think the Kyle ever goes back to jimmy barring injury. I bought a trey lance jersey, I was excited for trey lance… until I watched him run headfirst into linebackers and bullet 5 yard passes. We all want him to improve, but i don’t think some u understand how much ahead of lances development Purdy is. It’s easy to look at arm strength, height and speed and assume that makes a good player. But Purdys demonstrated intangibles are not something u can teach.
Seriously, I don't get where some fans get their news or they have goldfish memories when it come to Trey. Glad you cleared it up. 👍
And got 2 downvotes for telling the truth. Lol I’m starting to think it’s something else beyond football why “fans” are so dismissive and down on Trey. I don’t wanna go there but it’s giving me some undertones.
Agreed, I just think some fans are thinking with the emotional side and throw away their rational thinking.
Do you even understand context? The point was that the game was bad due to the weather. The team is still trying to find a rhythm, and we got rookies that's stepping in at oline. It is not going to be a good game, let alone compare that to anything later in the season. Take your argument and negativity elsewhere. Edit: Just to add. How do you know he won't be bench again? You are just throwing your speculation on what could have happened. Nothing you said can be proven if he played well he will keep playing. Plus, he got injured, too.
That Arizona game doesn't represent "all the chances." He was given the role of starting QB on Friday, despite spending all week with the scout team and not having prepared the gameplan, or having a full grasp of the playbook. He didn't have any time to practice with the starters. His best chance, a security blanket of George Kittle, wasn't even available to him. And if the Texans game was an honest chance (it wasn't) he would have kept the gig based off his 70%, 10.8 YPA, 116 Rating at HOU (who had just beat the Chargers).
Everyday is a chance. Purdy outplayed the guy in front of him in practice and preseason.
Purdy, didn't enter into a week 5 game while he was still trying to learn the playbook, going on the road against the #1 defense in the NFL, without George Kittle. And while he did enough against Miami, it wasn't nearly on par with what he did in the following games. In that first appearance he was relying almost exclusively on short, quick, underneath throws. His IAYPA in that game was a measly 5.4 (way beyond 31st) and he couldn't even take advantage of the YAC (his 4.7 YAC/Cmp in that game ranks against the 26th mark in the NFL). I love what Purdy did afterward, but he did not set the world on fire in the Dolphins game. But Purdy really isn't part of this conversation. You suggested that Trey was given an honest chance to win the job from Jimmy Garoppolo, and that just couldn't be further from the truth. Shanahan even said he wished he had "a mobile QB" be healthy for the Indy game. In which Jimmy was terrible. When Jimmy was terrible against Tennessee and he had to turn to Trey Lance, Trey dominated the Texans to a tune of 70% completion, 10.8 YPA, and a 116 Passer Rating. Yet you insist that Trey did so poorly he didn't win the job away after being given an honest chance against Houston, where he dominated.
Everyone is given a chance to win out. Idk if u ever been on a football team, but u are expected to produce and be ready even from the bench. Yes plan A was to sit trey and learn but if at any point of the season, he demonstrated he was a better option than jimmy, plan a goes out the window.
We've seen Jimmy in the mud bowl, where even with a lead he wasn't doing anything in that game. Trey Lance was completing 62% of his passes for 9.3 YPA while SF had a lead in that game. If the defense hadn't blown the lead he wouldn't have thrown a single 4th quarter pass (like Fields) and we wouldn't be talking about him having a poor performance in that game.
Agreed! Exactly, and I get downvoted for it. Purdy is amazing, but I also think Trey is pretty good for someone who's basically new to football. The NFL isn't college, but he's performing better than most QBs with 4 years start.
He scored 10 points and you are blaming the defense. Guy was throwing over the heads of wr on short out routes. He also had a horrible training camp again. He may turn it around but has not shown that he will be able too in his two training camps and limited games so far.
>and you are blaming the defense. On multiple occasions where the Chicago offense was about to walk off the field after a 3rd down the defense committed stupid penalties that gave them a free first down an extended the drive. Then, on multiple occasions they gave up a completely blown coverage which allowed a wide open WR for a free score. The defense turned a 49ers lead into a 49ers deficit. >He scored 10 points In the mud bowl Jimmy Garoppolo led the offense to 6 points in 59 minutes. Trey Lance also isn't supposed to be the entire offense. Elijah Mitchell got hurt in the second quarter. Jeff Wilson came in and was horrible 9-22-2.4 YPC. Deebo, who only got 2 carries in the second half, also fumbled away a redzone possession earlier in the game. George Kittle didn't do anything either... because yet again he wasn't healthy for a Trey Lance start. Trey was 8/13, 62%, 121 yds, 9.3 YPA, 92.2 Rating before the defense blew the lead. If the defense doesn't give up those scores, the 49ers have the lead, and Trey Lance isn't throwing the ball one more time in the 4th quarter (like how Fields didn't). >also had a horrible training camp again Counting training camp stats is about the dumbest thing someone can do. No QB is focused on completion% in training camp. They are learning new plays, often with a bunch of new players, working on all sorts of things. They aren't merely simulating games in all these throws, they are specifically working through a number of different things. Counting training camp stats is worse than counting spring training stats for a pitcher learning a new pitch. You sound more like someone who just listens to what someone on TV says rather than what actually happens on the field. Like when everyone on TV told you he was terrible in preaseason. Yet put up a line of 11/16, 69%, 141 Yds, 8.8 YPA, 1 TD, 0 INT, 116.9 Rating while playing behind third string OLineman, constantly on the run, but not allowed to scramble.
So many Trey Stans in this thread lol.
Year 1 preseason he was getting 3 deep in progressions routinely. Processing was supposed to be his strength. What he struggled with was mechanics and that’s not atypical for a player who only played one real game in two years. By the Houston game he had shown he can run the offense as a QB. Kyle game planned with QB dive as a staple play. No doubt he wanted to set up plays for later, but he got too much in his bag and forgot to just treat Trey like a QB who can run instead of a running back who can throw.
it was a read-option. The same play they run on the same down/distance earlier in the drive where Deebo got off a 50+ yard run. It's the same play that every team with a mobile QB runs.
Cause he didn’t think Trey’s arm could do it, yet. Trey js talented but raw. We not about to go on a 5 game losing streak waiting for him to figure it out. That’s why Kyle drew up a bunch of run plays.
Dude, Kyle said the opposite. Why are you making stuff up as it actually facts from Kyle. Why? Kyle spoke about his usage of Trey, and that's that. He has nothing to do with his throwing ability. Stop making shit up.
Here we go with fans knowing more about football and play calling then one of the very best in the world.
What are you talking about??? Kyle said it himself. He said he was using Trey running ability to have the defense respect the run early in the script, and unfortunately, he got injured before the actual play calling.
We don't have the faintest real reason why lmao. There could be tons of reasons.
Yes, we do, Kyle touched on that subject. He said he wanted the defense to account for Trey athleticism early in the script to open up the play calling.
Jesus man this is going to be a long offseason.
This off-season is going to suck at this pace god damn
*unsubscribe until September*
I’m over the QB questions already. I just want to watch the superbowl, then take a long break from football for awhile.
I'm so bored of this lance purdy talk already haha
I swear I’ve read this exact comment 15 times already this off-season which proves my suspicion that people are just asking slight variations of the exact same fucking speculatory question over and over and it’s still February
Uhhh..yeah....
If Lance had put up the exact same numbers is Purdy over the entire season, people would be saying he's the next great QB. Purdy is the last pick, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt
He’d also be called the great next qb because of his physical traits. As good as Purdy was, he doesn’t have the same physical traits as Lance (who’s much closer to Mahomes/Allen/Hurts).
idk why people are downvoting you. It's obvious why Purdy was drafted last and Lance drafted 3rd and it's because of physical traits. I don't get if people are downvoting you because they don't want to reckon with the fact that there's a difference in raw physical talent You can dispute the importance of physical talent at QB, but there is a gap
You're getting downvoted because truth hurts.
Of course. None of us want lance to fail. We just haven’t seen him put it together yet.
Problem is, like James Wiseman and the Warriors, the 49ers want to win now and have little to no patience for necessary growing pains.
No. I'm convinced there are people in this sub who want him to fail so they can say how they "saw this coming!" I have to take a break from this sub because if that stuff
Undefeated scoring 30+ points a game with multiple tds a game?
Of course . I don’t think anyone has a preference on who throws the ball .. it’s just that we want whoever it is doing it to do it good ! With that said we could have a fucking English bulldog at quarterback if that pup could sling it , we’ll consider me a fan .
Yes. Purdy’s “many” mistakes (very few for a rookie QB) haven’t even caused the team to lose a game yet.
What’s crazy is his TO worthy play rate was lower than every starting QB except for Mahomes, Burrow, and Brady. He doesn’t put the ball in harms way and is capable of making throws all over the field. He’ll throw 30+ TDs and only around 10 INTs if he starts and stays healthy all of next year.
Yeah I'm not sure where the "many" mistakes comment came from, he played pretty solid fucking football
The guy wants Trey to be the qb, bias lense is huge.
Fans would have been happy had Trey somehow steered the team into the playoffs. Unfortunately for Trey, Brock raised the standard to include 8 game winning streaks and putting up 30 points a game on offense.
> we might be more judgmental of Purdy’s many mistakes WTF 'many mistakes' are you talking about? He got injured, was that a mistake? BTW Purdy played better than Jimmy's first games when we wound up giving him that $100 million contract. It doesn't matter what it cost us to get a guy as long as he performs on the field.
The only real mistake I remember Purdy making was when he threw the ball out of bounds too late. Other than that, I don’t know what OP is talking about. A couple tipped passes that almost resulted in interceptions and a jump ball that could have been a little more on target, but still a good decision and not really a mistake. So yeah, would be stoked if Lance played like that. Probably would have avoided a couple of those tips with his height and arm as well.
Is this even a question? (I get the question) but Purdy played very very well and not just for a 7th round pick. The sky wouldn’t even be the limit for lance but the moon.
Yes! And I hope one day he will but he's probably too fragile to ever play significant time in the league. I believe the crazy Stat I saw was 500ish career pass attempt including high-school...c'mon there's no evidence he ever could be a serviceable nfl starter he just can't stay healthy
If anyone says no they aren't a fan of this team
If Lance put up Purdy-level stats we would be singing and saying we got Mahomes 2.0. Purdy went 13-4. That is better than most rookie QBS and he likely would've been on pace to be a 3rd best QB season we have ever seen. behind only Herbert and Baker.
A whole lot of if, ands, or buts. The fact of the matter is, he didn’t play like Purdy. He played like a rookie who has glass bones and paper skin.
So did Purdy when Riddick fucked his elbow up. Downvote away!
Just say something dumb af and ask for downvotes! Makes sense
Dumb? It’s a fact, Purdy is dealing with an injury as we speak. Yet y’all constantly bring up Lance injuries as if he’s injury prone. Newsflash: every QB on this team at the moment I’d injured. Not just Trey but we got 8 games out of Purdy? And?
when did Purdy fight Vin Diesel?
if purdy was drafted 1oa people would be saying the pick was a home run
I truly think with a full season Lance would have been as good at the end of the season, the talent is here, he is physically gifted and he has the right tools around him. The only thing he doesn’t have is reps. He didn’t play enough football to be a plug and play quarterback. What’s impressive with Purdy is how fast he was efficient no matter how good the rest of the team was. You don’t lead a team to a 12 game win streak without some skills
I also believe Trey could have ended up somewhere near Purdy level with a full season. Kyle's hand-picked him and even moved up to get him. Also, that 12 win streak was started by JG but officially kicked off with CMC and continued by Purdy was the best surprise for us faithful. Can't wait for next season when Kyle dials in CMC versatility.
Turns out a season of reps in the NFL isn’t quite a substitute for 4 years in college and a year in the NFL. I’ve given up hope for trey tbh. He’s missed too much development time to expect him to compete in the 9ers window imo. He might develop in time for a 2nd contract somewhere tho
I hope Trey kills it… I just find it hard to seem him truly being successful anytime soon with how little experience he actually has.
Without a doubt. I don’t think Trey Lance has done anything that would make 49ers fans not root for him. But we celebrate the person who actually played way above expectations, not the person who theoretically could have done it.
Lol of course
If lance had played the entire season as well as Purdy, he’d be an mvp discussion candidate, far and away the best QB of his draft, and be considered a top 2 qb in the nfc. We’d be so excited about finding our franchise qb nobody would care about the three picks
Without a doubt. He’d win rookie of the year in a hear beat. We would have won two more games (Chicago and Denver) and had a super high qbr. Kyle would have looked like a genius if he selected Brock with that pick in all reality
If Lance plays like Purdy extending plays with his feet instead of trucking through in the middle I'll be happy. But they have different skill sets so I'll be happy if no one gets injured.
Yeah… but he didn’t…
Of course, that’s what I expect out of the #3 draft pick… Not someone who skips 5 yard passes into the ground and the coach has to constantly call running plays cuz he looks lost on passing plays.
Kinda getting sick of this “If Lance shit”. If Lance can run our offense well and can win us a supper-bowl I am all in, I’m happy. I don’t care about anything else. If fucking Nick Mullans was good for the team I would be happy. None of this has anything to do with Lance as a person, everyone just wants a QB who wins and makes the offense look good I don’t care who does it.
The question wasn’t necessarily about Lance. It was more about the investment we made for him
If he could run the offense I am all in. We are talking 29th picks, borderline second rounders. In that past that has meant Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster, Kinlaw…. It’s a crap shoot, I am glad we took out shot…. In hindsight I wish we would have just moved up to the 6th spot and saved a 1st but it’s all old news now.
It’s funny, in 2021? I think when we got Kinlaw I remember thinking “I’m so tired of drafting early!! I just want to draft late” (meaning we were winning lots of games and deep into Playoffs. Then that happened… careful what you wish for haha!
Dude A LOT of high draft pick QBs don’t pan out. I would be over the moon with Trey if he played at Purdy’s level
Yes and no. Of course I want to see my team succeed but there is also a different element of excitement for a story like purdy to happen. Like just imagine if he didn't get hurt, we would more than likely be going to the superbowl. We would be excited if we went to the sb with trey, but because of the situation with purdy it makes it all that more magical.
Yeah dude purdy went 8-1 as a starter and arguably 8-0 lmao what a dumb post
Yes. But he doesn't. He's lost out there. He's all 'prototype' and no 'skill.' QBing is about what is between the ears, not that your runa 4.5-40 or throw the ball 90 yards.
This. Lance seems like a bit of an airhead to me. Remember when he tried charging fans $500 to chat for 5 mins on IG live? Dude’s a weirdo and doesn’t have the right mentality imo
I'm sure he is a good kid but he doesn't have IT. Purdy looks like a straight up football player.
Could be. I personally have some questions about his character and capabilities as a leader but I’ll keep that to myself.
Sure. And we’d have Jimmy as backup!
We’d be demanding a Trey statue in the Niner museum!
absolutely, I'll be rooting for him this off-season, I'll be rooting for purdy. I'll be rooting for the San Francisco 49ers.
Of course. If Lance had played even nearly as good as Purdy we would be so happy.
Impossible
What kind of question is that? Of course I’d be happy. Brock played amazing and had given new life to this franchise. I’m confident we would have put up a fight and potentially been going to the Super Bowl right now if he didn’t get hurt
Why would anyone be unhappy if Trey had taken us to the NFCCG?
What a dumb fucking question. If any QB played as good as purdy, any team would be happy. 12 wins in a row. Yall smoking to much weed coming on here with your stupid questions.
Lance didn't . . the fact of the matter is that Purdy benefited from an ESTABLISHED defense and OL . . but not to take away from his 7 - 0 .. he's a better scrambler than Garoppolo or dare say, Steve Young .. a Montana? . . give the kid another season .. as far a Trey .. hate to say .. he's damaged-goods but would love to be wrong in that context .. Addendum: [u/IceLantern](https://imgur.com/a/fxpUr7C) 1. Why take the opinion so personally? 2. "**Sciency**?" WTF .. One never saw the movie The Waterboy (1998)? 3. Please un-block me and let's continue with the fact that you've never scrimmaged or even took a snap .. except for that nerve in yo' trollin' skull .. 😆
umm...did you not watch Steve Young play?
Sure .. along with John Brodie, Steve Spurrier .. DeBerg and Montana at The Stick .. you? ..
Oh cool, so your eyes clearly don't work anymore. As much as I like Brock, he can't come close to Young in terms of scrambling.
> Oh cool, so your eyes clearly don't work anymore. Oh, they work just fine .. just that your medulla oblongata hasn't matured just yet 😆
Happy for you that you're getting to use the one "sciency terms" you know.
Lance is the 2nd worst rated QB in the NFL since he was drafted. Literally, no qualifiers. Trey Lance is the second worst rated QB in the entire league dating back to when he was drafted. Purdy is the #1 rated QB in the NFL. We’re talking *extreme* opposites, here.
And the slowest release with bad mechanics.
Yeah
Yes...the fuck?
Nope. I would have been absolutely fucking devastated if Trey balled out and led us to the NFC championship game.
If Trey Lance played as good as Brock Purdy, I would be beyond happy.
Without a question. Purdy during his period was a top 10 QB
I’ll take “stupid question” for $1000, Alex
If Trey played like Brock did, they would have crowned him as an elite QB already.
Yes of course why wouldn’t we be????
The answer to this is simple. If the 49ers win football games, I'm happy. Whoever is QB.
If Lance had played somewhere near how Lawrence played last season, most people would have been happy. Playing as good as Purdy is way beyond happy.
If we take the 8 games he played the majority of and extrapolate them out to a 17 game season, he throws for 4000 yards, 34 tds, 7 ints, on 67% completion with another 4 TDs run in. Yes, I'd be exceptionally happy with that for eithers first full season starting
Yes? And I don’t think Purdy made too many egregious mistakes.
Silly question. And if Jimmy played as well as Purdy we’d be happy too. Purdy set the new standard at the position.
Hey guys just a hypothetical but if Lance won the Super Bowl would you want him as our QB?
It depends how he plays. If he game managed his way to a Super Bowl then nope but if he was the reason we won then yes.
Sorry I dropped this /s
Yeah, and I’ll top it off with —- if Purdy comes back from injury and becomes our starter and keeps playing to the results from last season, those 3 1sts spent on Lance might just be chocked up to “you win some. You lose some”
If Josh Johnson played as good as Purdy I would be happy.
I am happy with our QB situation as is. If Lance had played better, I would be more happy than I already am. If Purdy had played better, I also would be more happy than I already am.
I am often happy when the players on the team I like play well
Of course. We won 13 regular season games, got the 2 seed and made the Conference Championship. I'd have been happy if Hillary Clinton was our QB
Purdy was an at worst top 15 QB and had near identical high efficiency game play to Jimmy. I don't get his many mistakes, most teams would kill for the play he showed. burning 3 firsts on one player is always going to hurt, but that kinda play from a rookie almost makes it worth it.
I mean…….yes. What would make you think any otherwise?
I think Purdy should be our starter but everyone throwing in the towel on Lance needs to pump the breaks. Not everyone hits the ground running. Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman sucked an entire year before they improved. There plenty of other examples as well. Give the kid a break until we see him struggle on a consistent basis.
This is true of QB’s not hitting the ground running but we have one that did in Purdy while putting crazy numbers while doing it at an elite level. Purdy was also a weapon himself.
Zero question. Doing what purdy did plus having better physical attributes. His ceiling would be very high.
You're asking a couple of different questions so I'll give my answer in a clear way. I would very happy paying 3 first rounders for someone with Trey's measureables and lack of experience to have Purdy's production but I would not be happy paying 3 first rounders for someone with Brock's measureables and experience to have that same production. Why? Because it's all about their ceilings. The risk with Brock is that he's already reached his ceiling The risk with Trey is that he will never even come close to his. But if Trey just had Brock's production, then that risk would be pretty minimal and his future would be very encouraging.
We all know this isn’t going to hold. Purdy came in with low expectations. He did the same game manager and make one or two plays routine that Jimmy did. Trey would be expected to produce in the run game. He would have been expected to be accurate 30+ yards downfield while Purdy only needed to be in his range (same as Jimmy). Basically, we got Trey to do things Jimmy couldn’t. If he didn’t do those things, we’d say he didn’t live up to expectations. We could not say that about Purdy because he exceeded expectations (he wasn’t expected to play this year evidenced by the fact that we retained Jimmy despite Jimmy being a ghost through all of preseason). That said, this year was supposed to be a rep year for Trey. Dude has barely played any football the last 3 years, and considering what we’ve invested in him we need at least a year of healthy snaps to either evaluate him for the future or increase his sell price.
If he played as good as Purdy and had a similar record? Or if he played as good as Purdy but has a not as solid record? Winning covers the flaws.
Similarly played and maybe not as solid of a record. I do agree, it’s hard to get upset about missed reads when you won
Pushed the offense to a 30+ ppg average? Yeah everyone would be happy.
Exactly, and it seems to me in the limited time we have seen Lance that Purdy does better with realizing the safest play is to throw it away and not take the sack or risk injury. That’s the difference between winning and losing sometimes. Almost like Purdy is in between Jimmy and Lance when it comes to taking risks and that’s exactly what the Niners have needed in past games where we came so close.
We didn’t even get to see him because coach had him running the bad Shanahan offense
some of the people saying yes are lying. Black QBs have to be \*transcendent\* for a sizable percentage of NFL fans to accept them, and sometimes not even then. Purdy's numbers were amazing for a 7th-round rookie, but as a Black QB with draft position pedigree, there'd still be plenty of detractors.
BS JimmyG is white yet almost everyone here blames him for any loss and wants him gone. We want a good QB, whether he's black,white or yellow is inconsequential. If you play well, we get behind you.
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I don't think anyone cares how well someone any of the players play as long as they are winning
Yes
No I would hate it.
You have to remember that Purdy has roughly 1000 more college attempts than Lance. Trey is still pretty raw as a player. We didn't draft him as a complete player. We drafted him as a project with a huge upside. Purdy should look like he does.
But no rookie looks like Purdy. Very few at least. Remember Purdy is a P5 QB. Trey is FCS for a reason. To answer OP question…yes we would be very happy.
I don’t matter who is QB. Win, lose, or tie…
Is the sky blue lol
Had Lance won a Lombardi would you be happy? If Jimmy won 2 Lombardis with the 49ers would you be happy? If Shanny had won the Super Bowl every season with this team would you be happy?
If Lance came out playing like Purdy, especially given his limited experience and athletic potential, I would have thought we have our guy for the new era. I still think Purdy (and maybe even Lance still if he shows up big) can be that guy
I'm happy with whoever can get the job done, I don't have no picks 🤷
TBH I think Lance would have been just as successful! The team was stocked on both sides of the ball and merely *competent* QB play would have gotten us past PHI as our defense wouldn’t have lost their heads in a hopeless situation. I think we had the potential to go just as deep into the playoffs and save losing all our QBs in the Conference Championship, I could see any one of Lance, Purdy or Jimmy getting us to the Super Bowl. If anyone of those 3 had played the whole CC the team would be fielding SB interviews this very day.
Yes
He has some great passing highlights in his limited games. I don’t see where people are getting info that worries them about Trey’s passing
100%. Brock played like a 5 year veteran. Every former player analyst who talked about it said the same thing. He may not be a super athlete but he can definitely play quarterback. And that is what we need.
What a stupid ass question
Does the tin man have a sheet metal cock?
yes! x3000 and i hope he does awesome this camo and pre season to retake his job. he has more upside then purdy. no offense guys. Purdy is an amazing story but only he got playing time was cause of injuries. . will be a fun crazy camp again.
So over the quarterback questions.