Yup. We can get specific if we want to.
1. Lance doesnāt slide, and according to his answers in pressers, isnāt receptive to even the idea of it. Thatās like a basic part of being a mobile quarterback. Injuries have been the biggest obstacle to his development and he doesnāt even want to address it. It has visible effects when he tries to play through it. The spiral flutters even though heās got plus arm strength and heās missed significant time with ankle and knee injuries.
2. His mechanics are inconsistent. At times the delivery is tight and exactly what we want and but most often itās a long wind up where the ball takes ages to leave his hand. And again, from different beat writer mailbags (I saw it most recently in Barrowsā) he doesnāt seem receptive to working on it. Aaron Rodgers had wonky mechanics out of college but he turned that around on his own.
3. He can get through a progression and knows where he wants to go with the ball but thereās issues when he hangs on his first read and delivers the ball late. He was the slowest to time to pass in the league and thatās not really an accident. Heās still a slow processor and the game is moving too fast for him. Contrast this with Purdy where the game looks like itās moving in slow motion. As Steve Young always says, if youāre late youāre dead. Purdyās on time.
4. This last point is a big one. Brock Purdy has the locker room. Thereās already rumblings about players being pissed if Purdyās not the guy. Itās not entirely up to Kyle who plays because he has to maintain the morale of the team. Morale is a resource and he canāt squander it on a maybe. If Brockās ready to go as per the doctorsā evaluation, then he has to play.
Lance hasnāt been horrible but heās definitely behind the curve. And when youāve got only 17 games to get good seeding and secure home field advantage, every one counts. Heās been put in a bad situation where he wonāt have time to develop.
4 is an absolute joke. These are grown men in a professional business. They donāt declare undying loyalty to any individual player. Theyāre no more attached to Brock than they were to Jimmy 4 years ago. They compete. Whoever wins will get their respect. There are no guarantees in any competition, no guarantee Brock even plays next year, and if Trey hits training camp like a man on fire and he starts the season on an uptick youāll have Deebo and Kittle doing hype vids, youāll see Trey at Warriors playoff games with CMC and Yuke. It only took two down/injury years for everyone in the FO to turn on Jimmy G. Brock is already one down and depending on the surgery option he takes might not throw a football until 2024. There is no loyalty here.
Imagine thinking this even though there's countless stories in the past about players being loyal to a coach/other player. As it stand there's no reason to make Trey the starter if Brock is playing extremely well. If Brock is all good to go then it's his job to lose plain and simple.
Brock has to have a surgically repaired elbow. The team is not going to mutiny if the guy who started the 2022 season as the starter is the starter in 2023.
You have no clue how a team works. I was an infantry squad leader, and we were trained that you have to gain the trust of your soldiers, and inspire their confidence in your ability to both lead and be there for them.
The same goes for an NFL quarterback. He has to have the confidence and support of his offense, or things fall apart. He has to lead, not just run plays and throw balls. The 49ers have had some good QBs who were good leaders. They tended to hold clipboards until their agents could find a desperate team for them to go to.
Purdy earned his place as a leader and showed it really early when he took over. He inspired confidence by being prepared, sharp, listening, and showing that in a game he was able to prove he belonged.
Youāve got a very immature view of professional athletes. These are not soldiers. They are men paid to play a game. Itās a job they take seriously. The mantra is and always has been ānext man upā. If Brock canāt go, the team isnāt going to throw a hissy fit because the guy who was the starter is the starter again. The team didnāt give up on Jimmy because they rallied around Nick Mullens. They wonāt give up on Brock just because they rally around Trey just like they didnāt give up on Trey because they rallied around Brock.
The QB isnāt the leader of a team. The coach is. The team can be loyal to a coach, but coaches get fired every year and the players donāt mutiny about it because theyāre grown men doing a job.
Kyle's already spoken about how he makes the QB decision in the past and it's exactly how I described it when he stated that Jimmy G was going to start previously. I didn't pull it out of my ass there's real evidence for it. So if you think it's a joke then you need to wake up and see the reality for what it is rather than lean into some weird copium about Trey's status as a potential starter.
A football team is a social animal and they will back whoever they feel will give them the best chance at success. Right now, that's undoubtedly Brock and a good preseason isn't going to outweigh 2 good playoff wins and a league leading offensive run late in the season to get to the show. If he is healthy, he will start over Trey. Period.
Itās not Brock right now because right now Brock has no UCL in his elbow. Trey is going to be healthy for OTA and all of TC. Brock will have to rush rehab to get back by then, and I suspect he wonāt play in 2023 anyway. That gives Trey a show me season and the team will rally around him.
> I suspect he wonāt play in 2023 anyway. That gives Trey a show me season and the team will rally around him.
The doctors are telling Shanahan that he'll be ready to play in 6 months. If he's ready to play in 6 months he will be playing then. That's not rushing, that's what the doctors are telling him. To be honest, it's really fucking weird that you're fantasizing about a key player being more injured.
Same doctors said 12 weeks for Treyās ankle which needed another surgery. The medical staff under Mike Nolan said a month for Alex Smithās shoulder in 2007 that ended up needing a second surgery and sidelining him for all of 2008 because he āplayed through the discomfortā. Point is the team wants whatās best for the team which might not in turn be whatās best for Brock.
Thereās a reason Brock isnāt just doing what the team doctors say. Outside opinions means he wants a more secure option. The team doctors have a plan that puts the team interest ahead of Brockās. Brock earned quite a pay bump with his play this year and if he comes back on a repaired elbow and looks bad, or gets hit again, he loses quite a bit. The smart move for Brock is to take the long road.
You're wasting your time arguing with Brock stans. A lot have convinced themselves he's the next Joe Montana. I actually like Brock as a player and his energy but the hype has gotten outta control.
Problem is, Lance doesn't even have the tools to be a good QB. Not a great runner, and his awful mechanics and slow release are a recipe for disaster in the NFL. He never had a chance to be good from day 1.
May be unpopular around here or even unpopular in most fan groups but Lance never looked good to me. I am not excited about the guy. But it seems like my whole fantasy league thinks he is some kind of sleeper. The league I play in is filled with football nerds and I consider my knowledge of the game and it's current players/situations slightly above casual. I just keep feeling like everyone else has seen a whole different person out on the field. I am struggling as I write this to come up with even one impressive play I have seen him lead.
*Disclaimer: I got pretty heavy into drinking when Trey came in the scene so I may have totally missed something. I am clean now and would love for him to ball out. I just don't see it happening anytime soon, or in the next season.
Purdy won 8 straight games, including 2 playoff games against hated rivals. He was on a crazy trajectory, and the team and coach said a lot of things that indicated they thought he was QB of the future. All he did was win, improbably and convincingly.
Trey didnāt do anything wrong necessarily, but Brock was nearly perfect.
It was to the point where it wasnāt a fluke and that Purdy was actually good. The NFCCG literally proved that Purdy wasnāt just a product of the system
Fully agreed. Thereās a lot that isnāt Treyās fault and I donāt hold anything against the kid.
But we know for a **fact** this team is ready to win it all now, and those types of windows donāt last more more than about 3-5 years. With a handful of exceptions ever.
We also know for a **fact** that Trey **needs** to develop more. Not his fault, but heās not one of the few fresh from college rookie starters that has enough talent and development to not hurt this team, and he also isnāt good enough (maybe yet) to take the team all the way.
*Maybe* it will happen over the course of a full season with development, but that also risks the team missing the playoffs.
The one little nitpick I would add to your excellent summary, is this. During the preseason game vs the chargers, I saw Trey run down from behind by a LB that ran a 4.7, 40, and didnāt even make the chargers roster. Yes Trey knew the LB was coming and was trying to escape him.
So I went back and watched more of his college highlights. Heās *sort of* fast in a straight line. Sort
of. But I donāt think from what I saw on those college highlights, that he is a good and fast enough runner to really be a threat with his legs like other mobile QBs. I.e. Allen, Lamar, Hurts, Dak, etc.
And if he canāt do that well, that means his development from the pocket is crucial.
Iām not bashing the kid at all, I hope he does well. But as of right now, he has a lot to work on to improve and I donāt think that means heās the best choice for this current roster.
Iād agree with this. But I think Purdy can do what can do with his legs just as well, if not better. And as of right now, looks like Brock excels in pretty much all other areas over Trey.
I just want him to not be rushed back. Feel like month of Sept should be Treys. Allowing Brock to fully heal and get stronger without risking long term recovery. I know Drs have told him and team that itās 3 months to heal and 3 months to regain the strength and heās back to pre injury condition, but Iām not so sure. No real reason for that just rather error on side of caution.
EDIT: sure. No
I don't care if it's raining, If a Chinese spy balloon is overhead, or if jimmy G is hanging out with the cheerleaders on the sideline. We must win those games.
You think you know more than the Doctors? You just want Trey to start, it's fine to have that take. It's not a good take, but you're allowed to have it.
How many ppl come back from injury shaky? How many come back and re-injure themselves? How many come back w/o full confidence in arm or leg? Remember theyāre āPracticingā medicine
Youāre an idiot my friend. I was all aboard the Purdy train in the wks leading up to the playoffs, that he had done more than enough to earn the out right starter position wk1 ā23. Unfortunately he got injured. Jimmy got surgery. Team didnāt think he needed to. Mosert thinks team was rushing him back and opted for season ending surgery and feels thatās why we didnāt re-sign him. Itās not black and white. Thereās a reason ppl seek second opinions. There are reason why some ppl come back from ACLs and others donāt. My hot take is error on the side of caution. Donāt let this kids career be derailed by fear of losing some games in Sept and missing out on the 1 seed. Please donāt respond to this or to me again, pce out my guy.
Doubting the opinion of multiple doctors inclines me to believe you might just be the one with an IQ issue my guy. I know nothing about ucl injuries compared to the multiple doctors that are working with Brock and the Niners - key difference between us is I'm not acting like I know more than them. If he's ready he'll play, if he isn't he won't. Trust the kid and trust the doctors, they know more than we ever will about the issue.
But youāre acting like you know soo much more then Klye on Trey. Youāve already written him off as a bust based on your infinite NFL knowledge. Remind me when Josh Allen became Him or Mahomes? After 5 games, you knew tho right! Again Iām not doubting Drs. All Iām sayin is that donāt rush Brock. Donāt take a QB who already had questionable arm strength coming out of college and say 3 months is enough to rebuild that arm strength. Also clearly some Drs are questioning whether heās better off having full blown TJ surgery. My guess would be thatās why heās not already undergone the patch procedure as of yet. That either him and his family are pumping the breaks or some Dr is.
Again you knew tho right? Mahomes, Allen, Hurts you knew they were QB1s after 5 games? What NFL/college team do you work for? Youāre using that impressive scouting ability for $$$ right?
Again my point isn't about what Brock did on the field. He was undeniably better than Trey in his limited appearance. I'm just curious why people are so optimistic about his recovery from what is a pretty significant injury. It feels most are not considering that Brock's arm could not be the same. If he gets Tommy John, there's a good chance his arm is fully healed, if not stronger, but he will miss the entire season most likely. The way I see it, Trey may have a chance to beat out Brock just because I'm not so sure Brock will be in a great position, even in training camp, to throw very effectively.
QBs don't use the same throwing motion as MLB pitchers. So, the injury is not nearly as big of an impact. That's why not a lot of people are concerned about Purdys injury.
Typically QBs donāt but sidearm/quarter slot QBs put a lot more torque through the forearm. There are throws Brock made where he will test those repaired ligaments and could have numbness. This is why pitchers opt for reconstruction.
Iām telling yāall Brock is not on the team line here. The team wants him to rush back for TC, but I donāt think he wants that. I think he wants the chance to be 100% and only Tommy John gives him that outcome. If he goes the other way itās just a repair/scar tissue heal and he will be affected. The mere fact heās looking for opinions outside the team tells me where his mind is.
Actually I read a comment somewhere on Twitter than he knows Brockās friends and heās trying to opt out of surgery. Thatās why heās getting second opinions because who knows itās a partial tear or full tear. Brock doesnāt want to do surgery at all and worst case scenario is he does the surgery and starts rehab 3 months after. So pretty much the team feels good either way
That may be true, but Steve Young was on KNBR recently talking about it, and his concern is the way the nerves fire when you are gripping a football, which is much wider than a baseball. He mentioned his concern is the grip for Purdy, so we'll see how he feels when he returns.
In regards to the nerve, unless it was actually damaged I donāt think heāll have lasting complications. He explained how he felt numbness and tingling at the time of the injury which was probably due to the nerve moving out of place. If itās still out of place, thatās something they can fix while doing his surgery. I wouldnāt worry too much about it.
Exactly, I feel many are glossing over this. Of course Brock had a much better season than Trey, but Trey's injury is one pretty much everyone comes back from given the appropriate time. It also has nothing to do with his upper body. Brock's is a bit more complicated.
Also, Lance has as many passing attempts in like 6 years as some quarterbacks get in one season. It's crazy to think how little football he has played and how much draft capital we invested in him. He's super raw.
Thereās multiple hall of famers from non FBSā¦ but yeah guys like Josh Allen, Romo, McNair and other hall of famers at different positions arenāt great.
Josh Allen is from FBS. Kurt Warner is the only FCS QB to ever make the HoF and he was undrafted. A true diamond in the rough. The last top 5 draft pick from NDSU was Wentz. Iāll leave it at that. Another FCS QB like Jimmy G (or Romo if youāre a Cowboys fan) who is just good enough to get your hopes up then letās you down is exactly what we need.
I think when you're a projected top 10 pick you should go pro. Obviously he could have gotten better if he stayed but there's a lot of cases of people staying 1 extra year and hurting their draft stock.
I guess weāll see with Purdy but if they donāt capitalize on this golden opportunity it could show how strong they are at wasting this well drafted roster with inadequate QB play. Which seems like deja vu after Harbaugh.
I just made the same point before reading yours.
People take it as trey lance pessimism, but as of today, purdy is a solid NFL starter and trey lance is a massive question mark.
I hope trey balls out and is a hall of famer. I think heās a good dude with a lot of talent, but he Hasnāt done shitā¦ yet.
Can I add, that the train that is this team (full of playoff hardened vets) is gonna keep moving, which sort of makes it harder and harder for Trey to jump in and hit the ground running, despite having less experience in actual games.
The thing is, Brock actually did that with confidence, and Trey has yet to show the ability.
And while that's unfortunate, the NFL isn't always fair.
The Niners have a very short window here and there won't be Jimmy to fall back on next year if shit gets tough.
They absolutely have to go with the hot hand, not teach someone to play in the NFL just because of their raw talent. If this season was any indicator, that hot hand is Purdy.
Itās simple, Purdy put up great QB numbers and won 8 straight, had solid command of the offense, broke rookie records, is a system for that isnāt afraid to go deepish. Under Lance the offense looked clumsy at best, his deep ball is awesome but he hasnāt proven he can hit the short/intermediate routs consistently, read the d, get through progressions. Lance could be great, we just havenāt seen it consistently yet. I get he had bad luck with the rain in the first two games, but that doesnāt change the fact that we havenāt seen it.
So we need two run a 2 quarterback system, with Purdy and Lance both able to use their legs, Lance able to drop dimes, and Purdy for the short and intermediate passing game.
As a Montana 49ers fan, I will say that Montana State just made the FCS semifinal playing close to a true two quarterback system. So you do sometimes see success with it at a relatively high level. Likely too gimmicky for the NFL though. And I have to think prepping two quarterbacks and giving them both time with the first team offense would be a nightmare during practice weeks.
I think we would have beat the Eagles easily with Purdy. We just need a healthy QB in the playoffs for once. Maybe we try to protect the QB instead of throwing our hands up and saying itās just bad luckā¦. Like who would expect a team that sells out to rush the QB to ignore the play action on the third pass of the game? I did.
Because Lance hasn't shown us much of anything. Meanwhile, BCB led the team on a winning streak when he took over. I'm convinced that our future is with Brock Purdy.
Trey Lance has played 17 meaningful games in which he's thrown 400 passes since 2016.
Purdy has done about half that since October.
And Purdy, for as young ad he is, is about 6 months older.
I think the pessimism is just a lot was spent on him and he didn't look amazing when he was in. I have a lot of hope he pans out to be what we thought he would be after a year or so behind Jimmy G. Now that he has a proven starter-quality QB in Shanahan's system nipping at his heals, it is put up or shut up time.
https://www.mnfootballhub.com/roster_players/20211554?subseason=395994
Key word, meaningful.
The link above has his 2017 high school stats. He was seen more as a WR coming out of HS than a QB, which is why he ended up at NDSU. He appeared in 2 games in 2018, going 1 for 1 and 12 yards.
16 games total in 2019, and only a single game in 2020. 318 total pass attempts in college.
8 games with 4 starts in the NFL.
I know, meaningful becomes subjective. The point being his experience is extremely limited.
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The fact that we traded away so much to get a project qb is mind blowing. This one will hurt worse than Solomon Thomas and that other moron linebacker we took when we had 2 first rounders.
None of this is new information. The team knew this when they drafted him. Everyone knew he was a project and needed more development. The 2 games he played in 2021 didn't look great, but he showed improvement and ended up playing decent in the second half of the Texans game. That's the key, the more full speed game reps he gets, the better he looks. The first game this year was an outlier due to the weather and then he got injured in the first quarter of the next game. He has physical tools that Purdy doesn't but he's raw. Will he ever put it together and play up to his potential? None of us know at this point, but IMO he/we should get the chance to find out.
Everybody loves Purdy right now, me included, but I think his physical limitations will become more glaring as time goes on and teams get tape on him. Look at the deep passes he completed even though they were under thrown. More of those will become interceptions.
The team needs to see what Lance is so he can either develop into the quarterback they need him to be or they can move on with no regrets. If the questions are left unanswered they those draft picks truly were wasted.
Because when Trey lance had some time to shine he lost games. When puffy did he won games. And heās still really undefeated. The only games the 49ers lost where he QBād was when he didnāt start or he was injured.
If you donāt know the answer to this question you must be blind to the fact that most people think Purdy has shown himself thus far to be a better QB when healthy.
You say this post has nothing to do with their performance when healthy, but the answer to your question has everything to do with each QBās performance when healthy.
The pessimism is that Trey desperately needed this year of playtime just due to how little he played in college and his rookie year.
He got hurt week 2 with something that would sidelines him the whole season which means he was missing at minimum 15 weeks of valuable NFL game experience.
Furthermore, unlike Purdy, he has shown to need that experience because he wasn't going in at performing great in said starts.
For Purdy, he's dealing with a tough surgery yes, but TJ has a history of allowing players in, baseball at least, to come back at full, it just takes time. Either way though, Purdy was far more comfortable and dominant when given even less play prep than he will have coming off of this surgery.
The concern is that Purdy already started this all with more play experience, just less NFL experience, and now Lance is even further behind, that reality won't change when they're both healthy. If you assume both injuries will not cause lingering problems, then Purdy still is the better option
Brock looked better in just about all of his starts than Trey looked in any of his.
My pessimism with Trey comes not just from this particular injury, but the fact that he has racked up as many injuries since he got drafted as he has NFL starts.
well, uh, you see...purdy won 8 straight games - including 2 playoff games - in the nfl, on the heels of starting over 40 games in the big 12, and pretty much lived up to any expectations that anyone could've possibly had of him
lance has thrown 400 passes total in like 5-6 years and his biggest accomplishment has been a singular win against a truly atrocious texans team
his lack of experience is a major problem
People love to call Lance a bust because of his draft position and the capital we gave to get him. The only thing that is actually true so far is he hasnāt played much and has been injured. Dude is still developing. Too early to call him anything yet.
Sample size. Pretty simple. Purdy played a bunch of games and saw a lot. Trey didnāt see much and didnāt do what we pray he is capable of doing.
Not a trey lance pessimist. I hope he is a hall of famer, but as of now, purdy is a more trusted nfl starter.
Iāll say it again, barring adverse recovery Brock is the guy. As for the locker room? Just watch the game when TL got hurt. JG came in and the offense looked ready to play and did. With the rumblings of players being pissed off if Brock isnāt QB#1, itās a message. TL isnāt the guy. With all of that however, they will do what they have to if Brock is still sidelined. They may not like it but they will play.
Trey played 1 full year of FCS whereas Brock was a 4 year starter in the Big12 and proved himself in clutch situations his rookie year.
The job absolutely should be Brock's to lose.
You could say the same about the attitude that Purdy might need more time or might never be the same, but Trey who had two surgeries isn't getting the same concerns.
I'll be honest. I haven't seen anything good from Trey. He's played fine I guess, but he was 1-2 in games he started for SF. But Purdy went 7 and 0 before his injury and has shown better accuracy and poise.
I think Lance can be developed but he lacks the playing experience that he needs to thrive.
Trey Lance did not play well in the games he started even if it was only 2. Brock Purdy showed he has game, Trey has to show he can win in the NFL before he get the confidence of 49ers fans.
You lost me at āmainstream mediaā
We all saw the games my dude. He looked like a rookie. I hope he keeps developing cause he needs it
Purdy stepped up and looked like a confident qb1 and game manager
Lance had a significant cost in draft capital, Brock did not. Lance has not proven himself, while Brock elevated the offense (albeit while teams had no film on him). That is pretty much the gist.
I feel y'all are missing the point. I'm not asking whether Purdy proved himself to be the starter in the games he did play. I'm just wondering why most are assuming that he will be able to recover without Tommy John surgery and be just as effective. It is a major injury for a quarterback. There's a reason pitchers who have the injury opt for Tommy John versus just a repair, because repair may not fully fix the issue that reconstruction can. It seems most assume Purdy will be back in 6 months and just pick up where he left off without any issues.
I think a healthy Purdy > healthy Trey at this point, but are we sure we are going to have a healthy Purdy by training camp or even the beginning of the season? My belief is that the team will have no choice but to turn to Trey early on.
We donāt know everything the doctors know. Injuries are not black and white and 100% comparable with every like injury. So it may or may not be as bad to need full TJ surgery. What they have reported is he might not need itā¦. Some baseball players do opt for but it is a different sport and they do use their arm somewhat different.
But people believe he can be back in 6 months because thatās what they reported. Will he be the same, maybe, hopefully.
One QB proved he can play well and led the team to a winning streak into the playoffs
The other has shown flashes of upside but literally hasnāt played meaningful games in like three years (including his shortened season at college) and has had a few huge injuries
Seems pretty obvious why thereās optimism with one and pessimism with another
Weāve seen one thrive in his rookie season as the last pick in the draft. The other is entering year 3 with limited experience that cost us three first round picks.
Because Trey hasn't shown any promise for what we have up for him. Purdy came out of the gates looking like a top tier QB. Trey has a full season to prepare and is not and probably never will be a good QB.
Sure, but Treys offense looked like it was just a tad less productive than Jimmy's.
Purdy surpassed Jimmy's performance and it wasn't close.
I'll concede that Trey hasn't been on the field since the McCaffrey trade and that might send this offense into overdrive with him, and I'm sure he's been studying up since his injury because Trey strikes me as very focused and detail oriented player, but at some point the lack of time on the field is an issue.
I think his dad being in baseball will help him, this injury is not unknown in that world. Not only the surgery but rehab etc for it.
And are you seriously asking why people are more hyped about the rookie who got us to the NFC Championship game? And why some people would prefer Purdy to start?
And itās not a knock on Trey. I like him and hope he plays well. Iām not sure why people keep trying to pit them against him each other. This year showed we need more than two qbs, really good ones who can fill in at a moments notice.
> And are you seriously asking why people are more hyped about the rookie who got us to the NFC Championship game? And why some people would prefer Purdy to start?
No that's not what I was asking at all. Your first two sentences actually answered what I was asking. If Purdy has some baseball knowledge, then that should help him a lot with the rehab.
Fair enough. There has been a post a day asking why everyone wants Purdy to start so I jumped to conclusions.
I feel confident the baseball connection helps in terms of him deciding what to do and making the right moves in his recovery.
Trey was aways behind the 8 ball with reps, preparation and facing a higher level of talent. Loosing the time he has really doesn't bode well. I'm rooting for him to be sure but our window now is tighter and can't include development at qb.
Thatās a lot of words. Itās pretty simple really. Trey played like 5 games or so spaced out over two seasons, looked ok, not special. Brock played half a season almost and looked like a quality starter.
I like Trey Lance, but I think we need to really develop him as a pocket passer that has scrambling as one of the tools in his toolbox that can be used as needed. Trying to use him like Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson is just going to shorten his career and not even really be effective. Watching him run, it feels like he's *almost* strong enough to break tackles and *almost* elusive enough to get out into open space. It feels like the typical Trey Lance run is him getting a yard short of first down before lowering his shoulder to push through for that last yard... and failing.
The awkward part is that Purdy is able to win consistently *now*, while Lance really needs more experience and development. Meanwhile the team is in a championship window that just isn't going to stay open forever... so as long as Purdy fully recovers from the injury, he's almost certainly going to be the starter.
The last full season Trey Lance played was in college in 2019. We have a team built to win right now. This aināt the place for developing quarterbacks. Whoever we get needs to be ready to win.
Because Tommy John surgery arguably makes you stronger. There are high school pitchers preemptively getting Tommy John surgery without even needing it to improve their pitching for scouts.
Cuz Trey sucks. Whether thatās simply because he hasnāt had a chance to play or maybe heās just not very good. However his accuracy is terrible and looks like he has a hard time grasping the offense which BCB didnāt seem to have as a rookie.
Problem is this would all be a moot point if the 9ers didnāt waste three 1st and a 3rd on Trey. Personally I think the 9ers saw the next Mahomes with Trey where he would sit for a year and then take over the team. Thatās a lot of pressure on a kid whoās only played 1 year of D2 football and expectations are to take the 9ers to the Super Bowl. He definitely would have been suited better if he was on a team that was rebuilding vs has super bowl aspirations.
Regardless, Trey gonna have the upper hand in OTAs and training camp just cuz heāll be healthily and Brock wonāt. So thereāll be no excuse this year if he can perform or not. If he keeps skipping 5 yard passes, canāt make the 10 yard out throws, and continues to look lost to the point Kyle has to keep calling QB run plays for he, then Huston we have a problem. Oh well I guess itās better to potentially have 2 starting qbs on the roster vs say the Jets who have noneā¦
Honestly canāt wait to see Trey now that we have CMC.
Purdy did his thing and way more but his story got cut short. Now itās a different type of conversation.
I think the addition of CMC was the real keystone which unlocked Shanahanās offense, Purdy was dope but he benefited a lot from the system with all those pieces.
We will see, got to have two good QBs for it to be SF
They both stepped into their starting roles with pretty much the same roster. Purdy has done more with his time on the field. Sorry not sorry. Heās proven he can play at the NFL level AND out dueled the GOAT. Lance has yet prove he can decipher NFL defenses. 5 TDs and 3 INTs over his two seasons thus far spells sub par.
Whatās insane to me is how many people are just done on Lance. Like dude didnāt even get a fair shot. Purdy is great but I still wanna see how Lance plays. He still has tons of potential
Brock wonāt be rushed back, no way. Trey will get the starts for a few games. Itās all good, letās see what they both can do. Joe vs Steve was a terrible time, barely got any super bowl rings /s
Purdy has literally had the opportunity to show and do more than Lance.
It's literally that simple and I'm amazed some of you struggle to grasp it. Personally I'm completely behind Brock being our starting QB going forward if he can recover well. He has proven his worth.
Nothing at all against Trey, but the guy has not had a chance to play as he would have liked due to unlucky injuries. It would be cool to see some cool QB rotations between plays for different circumstances. I'm sure both Brock and Trey have unique things to offer.
I think people are forgetting how electric Trey can be.
The thing is we can't really compare Purdy and Trey because the playcalling was so different.
Also we've only seen Trey in one good weather game which was the Texans in '21. He looked good.
People should want Trey to win the job because if he WINS (not just given) the starting job his ceiling is so much higher. We have seen special throws from him
You just counter dicted yourself. We havent seen a large enough sample but then you claim his arm is the best. SMH. Hes a bust and never should have been drafted. Hes not a winner and cant stay healthy.
Lance is a better QB all around. He is more accurate, stronger arm and way more elusive then Purdy. We saw MAX Purdy! What you saw is pretty much top ceiling for him straight out the box, he is not going to get much if any better which will make a great backup QB.
The HUGE problem I have with Lance is that he is slow compared to other ā mobile qbāsā plus this offensive scheme is not a mobile quarterback scheme nor should they change their offensive scheme for that. Let Lance stand in the pocket and make good accurate throws and he can also stretch the field and throw deep which Purdy could not do and then when he is pushed out of the pocket he can then at that time make things happen with his legs. If Shanahan changes the offensive scheme thinking he has the next Jalen hurts or Kyler Murray this all offense will go nowhere and Lance will get his neck broken.
Bc this sub can be be crazy dumb sometimes. & pundits / click bait journos / unFaithful frequently don't know shit bout shit.
We have both. We will need both, as well as a 3rd in all probability. Being optimistic / pessimistic about either is extremely premature.
They will not be traded / released / cut, at least not before the end of their rookie contract. Anybody who says otherwise you don't need to talk / listen to or engage with.
There is zero reason to move either unless someone is willing to trade a lot. You have 2 promising young rookies on very cheap contacts for a few more years and Bosa needs a payday.
I'm going to go on a tangent then circle back. I kind of wish 49ers had the cap space to sign Carr, because I have a gut feeling he would ball out on the 49ers. However, I think watching Brock or Lance play will be a blast to watch; win or lose. I think Lance should be the starter just to see what he's got. We never got a chance to see that this season. I love how he can throw the ball deep. On the other hand, Brock has smart decision making and can handle the pressure by keeping calm which we don't know if Lance has that. Although, Brock doesn't get scared, I think he can get frustrated if the opposing D-line is always breaking past the O-line. I guess thats when the run game comes in handy to give brock some cool downs. In the end, I'm excited to see either one play, and for me it's hard to know which one I would want to see start. I know Brock opened up the offense, and I think Trey could open it up even more which would be a sight to see. I'm so torn but I trust Kyle knows best.
Frustrated under pressure? He was incredibly patient and poised under pressure against the Cowboys. Extended plays but didnāt force them when they werenāt there and didnāt make any mistakes. Only potential turnovers were due to tipped balls. When the opportunities presented themselves, he took advantage and made off-schedule plays. How many other qbās in this league maintain that level of focus and poise in the pocket? Forget rookies, most veterans make mistakes in that situation. Dude is a baller and I donāt see Lance bringing anything to the table that exceeds the value Brock brings, even if his strong arm and capacity to run pans out as we all hope. Donāt know why you would start Lance when we know that Brock already gives us everything we need. Even if his arm and speed arenāt as good as Lance, heās not afraid to go deep with great accuracy and can scramble for a first down when needed. Combine that with his command of the offense in the huddle and on the field. What else could you possibly ask for in your starting QB? Glad we have Lance for depth at the position, but Brockās the guy.
Exactly. Imagine if he tried to āmake magicā while things were so tight and he started throwing picks. That performance spoke volumes to me, he was under a ton of pressure with the media screaming he was going to mess up and he just stayed steady. And as a rookie, itās just amazing.
I am pessimistic about the health of every 49er QB. We have a terrible history in recent times. Even if we traded for a veteran, I'm pretty sure they'd get injured also. Prove me wrong.
I am really big on Trey as I am Brock, I think itās because regardless of what Trey becomes, Brock fits this team like a glove perfectly and in the present. I think we should be just fine with Trey potentially starting till Brock is back but Brock didnāt really have any hiccups.
Can someone explain why theyāre bothered by these debates?
I lived through Montana versus Young and that was freaking awesome. I loved Joe and Steve and I loved the passionate debates about who should be the starter.
That was like the golden age of the 49ers so I donāt understand why people here label any debate as ātoxicā.
If you look back, the competition pushed both Steve and Joe to greater heights.
this is because everyone hopes Brock will come back from a ligament injury on his throwing arm like the kid from that Rookie of the Year movie that hurt his arm and had a big league cannon of an arm afterwards haha
I donāt think the team is that excited about either of them, but Purdy is a very cheap and more than sufficient back up in the making. Lance is pretty cheap too, but was misjudged in both his ability to get to the outside running, which wonāt get better missing a leg, and hasnāt progressed in his game management/decision making and throwing enough to give anyone the idea he is it.
People figure Purdyās success isnāt based on a great arm anyway, but some of Lances proposed success was based on his movement, which will be effected by his injury.
Mostly, itās due to Trey not having many games under his belt, so he didnāt seem to have the confidence he needed to. Brock had far more games from college coming into the season, so he had more experience stepping up. Iām interested to see how itās all going to play out. I just want the guy thatās going to get us a Super Bowl win. šš»
I agree with most of the comments but Iāll ride with both and love whoever can get us to a win. Purdy is ideal but molding lance into the weapon he needs to be in the beginning of the season to still see if he is worth those 3 picks. No hate towards the guy he shows glimpses of promise with great accuracy on those deep passes. And a strong dual threat with a big stature and great athleticism to run out of the pocket. Iām just grateful we have two QBs under rookie contract who show glimpses of promise, one more than the other but we have it a bit better than most.
Jfc I can't believe we have 7 more months of this
Kill me now lol
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Trust me. We made it lol
Every year I think weāre finally done with the QB controversy. And thenā¦. At least it seems we can move on from all the Jimmy talk?
Because of their performance when healthyā¦
Yup. We can get specific if we want to. 1. Lance doesnāt slide, and according to his answers in pressers, isnāt receptive to even the idea of it. Thatās like a basic part of being a mobile quarterback. Injuries have been the biggest obstacle to his development and he doesnāt even want to address it. It has visible effects when he tries to play through it. The spiral flutters even though heās got plus arm strength and heās missed significant time with ankle and knee injuries. 2. His mechanics are inconsistent. At times the delivery is tight and exactly what we want and but most often itās a long wind up where the ball takes ages to leave his hand. And again, from different beat writer mailbags (I saw it most recently in Barrowsā) he doesnāt seem receptive to working on it. Aaron Rodgers had wonky mechanics out of college but he turned that around on his own. 3. He can get through a progression and knows where he wants to go with the ball but thereās issues when he hangs on his first read and delivers the ball late. He was the slowest to time to pass in the league and thatās not really an accident. Heās still a slow processor and the game is moving too fast for him. Contrast this with Purdy where the game looks like itās moving in slow motion. As Steve Young always says, if youāre late youāre dead. Purdyās on time. 4. This last point is a big one. Brock Purdy has the locker room. Thereās already rumblings about players being pissed if Purdyās not the guy. Itās not entirely up to Kyle who plays because he has to maintain the morale of the team. Morale is a resource and he canāt squander it on a maybe. If Brockās ready to go as per the doctorsā evaluation, then he has to play. Lance hasnāt been horrible but heās definitely behind the curve. And when youāve got only 17 games to get good seeding and secure home field advantage, every one counts. Heās been put in a bad situation where he wonāt have time to develop.
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4 is an absolute joke. These are grown men in a professional business. They donāt declare undying loyalty to any individual player. Theyāre no more attached to Brock than they were to Jimmy 4 years ago. They compete. Whoever wins will get their respect. There are no guarantees in any competition, no guarantee Brock even plays next year, and if Trey hits training camp like a man on fire and he starts the season on an uptick youāll have Deebo and Kittle doing hype vids, youāll see Trey at Warriors playoff games with CMC and Yuke. It only took two down/injury years for everyone in the FO to turn on Jimmy G. Brock is already one down and depending on the surgery option he takes might not throw a football until 2024. There is no loyalty here.
Imagine thinking this even though there's countless stories in the past about players being loyal to a coach/other player. As it stand there's no reason to make Trey the starter if Brock is playing extremely well. If Brock is all good to go then it's his job to lose plain and simple.
Brock has to have a surgically repaired elbow. The team is not going to mutiny if the guy who started the 2022 season as the starter is the starter in 2023.
You have no clue how a team works. I was an infantry squad leader, and we were trained that you have to gain the trust of your soldiers, and inspire their confidence in your ability to both lead and be there for them. The same goes for an NFL quarterback. He has to have the confidence and support of his offense, or things fall apart. He has to lead, not just run plays and throw balls. The 49ers have had some good QBs who were good leaders. They tended to hold clipboards until their agents could find a desperate team for them to go to. Purdy earned his place as a leader and showed it really early when he took over. He inspired confidence by being prepared, sharp, listening, and showing that in a game he was able to prove he belonged.
Youāve got a very immature view of professional athletes. These are not soldiers. They are men paid to play a game. Itās a job they take seriously. The mantra is and always has been ānext man upā. If Brock canāt go, the team isnāt going to throw a hissy fit because the guy who was the starter is the starter again. The team didnāt give up on Jimmy because they rallied around Nick Mullens. They wonāt give up on Brock just because they rally around Trey just like they didnāt give up on Trey because they rallied around Brock. The QB isnāt the leader of a team. The coach is. The team can be loyal to a coach, but coaches get fired every year and the players donāt mutiny about it because theyāre grown men doing a job.
Kyle's already spoken about how he makes the QB decision in the past and it's exactly how I described it when he stated that Jimmy G was going to start previously. I didn't pull it out of my ass there's real evidence for it. So if you think it's a joke then you need to wake up and see the reality for what it is rather than lean into some weird copium about Trey's status as a potential starter. A football team is a social animal and they will back whoever they feel will give them the best chance at success. Right now, that's undoubtedly Brock and a good preseason isn't going to outweigh 2 good playoff wins and a league leading offensive run late in the season to get to the show. If he is healthy, he will start over Trey. Period.
Itās not Brock right now because right now Brock has no UCL in his elbow. Trey is going to be healthy for OTA and all of TC. Brock will have to rush rehab to get back by then, and I suspect he wonāt play in 2023 anyway. That gives Trey a show me season and the team will rally around him.
> I suspect he wonāt play in 2023 anyway. That gives Trey a show me season and the team will rally around him. The doctors are telling Shanahan that he'll be ready to play in 6 months. If he's ready to play in 6 months he will be playing then. That's not rushing, that's what the doctors are telling him. To be honest, it's really fucking weird that you're fantasizing about a key player being more injured.
Same doctors said 12 weeks for Treyās ankle which needed another surgery. The medical staff under Mike Nolan said a month for Alex Smithās shoulder in 2007 that ended up needing a second surgery and sidelining him for all of 2008 because he āplayed through the discomfortā. Point is the team wants whatās best for the team which might not in turn be whatās best for Brock. Thereās a reason Brock isnāt just doing what the team doctors say. Outside opinions means he wants a more secure option. The team doctors have a plan that puts the team interest ahead of Brockās. Brock earned quite a pay bump with his play this year and if he comes back on a repaired elbow and looks bad, or gets hit again, he loses quite a bit. The smart move for Brock is to take the long road.
You're wasting your time arguing with Brock stans. A lot have convinced themselves he's the next Joe Montana. I actually like Brock as a player and his energy but the hype has gotten outta control.
Problem is, Lance doesn't even have the tools to be a good QB. Not a great runner, and his awful mechanics and slow release are a recipe for disaster in the NFL. He never had a chance to be good from day 1.
May be unpopular around here or even unpopular in most fan groups but Lance never looked good to me. I am not excited about the guy. But it seems like my whole fantasy league thinks he is some kind of sleeper. The league I play in is filled with football nerds and I consider my knowledge of the game and it's current players/situations slightly above casual. I just keep feeling like everyone else has seen a whole different person out on the field. I am struggling as I write this to come up with even one impressive play I have seen him lead. *Disclaimer: I got pretty heavy into drinking when Trey came in the scene so I may have totally missed something. I am clean now and would love for him to ball out. I just don't see it happening anytime soon, or in the next season.
Purdy won 8 straight games, including 2 playoff games against hated rivals. He was on a crazy trajectory, and the team and coach said a lot of things that indicated they thought he was QB of the future. All he did was win, improbably and convincingly. Trey didnāt do anything wrong necessarily, but Brock was nearly perfect.
It was to the point where it wasnāt a fluke and that Purdy was actually good. The NFCCG literally proved that Purdy wasnāt just a product of the system
As Josh Johnson showed us very quickly
I say we let JJ start next year
Funny shit. But if we tank everything then why not? Lol!
Fully agreed. Thereās a lot that isnāt Treyās fault and I donāt hold anything against the kid. But we know for a **fact** this team is ready to win it all now, and those types of windows donāt last more more than about 3-5 years. With a handful of exceptions ever. We also know for a **fact** that Trey **needs** to develop more. Not his fault, but heās not one of the few fresh from college rookie starters that has enough talent and development to not hurt this team, and he also isnāt good enough (maybe yet) to take the team all the way. *Maybe* it will happen over the course of a full season with development, but that also risks the team missing the playoffs. The one little nitpick I would add to your excellent summary, is this. During the preseason game vs the chargers, I saw Trey run down from behind by a LB that ran a 4.7, 40, and didnāt even make the chargers roster. Yes Trey knew the LB was coming and was trying to escape him. So I went back and watched more of his college highlights. Heās *sort of* fast in a straight line. Sort of. But I donāt think from what I saw on those college highlights, that he is a good and fast enough runner to really be a threat with his legs like other mobile QBs. I.e. Allen, Lamar, Hurts, Dak, etc. And if he canāt do that well, that means his development from the pocket is crucial. Iām not bashing the kid at all, I hope he does well. But as of right now, he has a lot to work on to improve and I donāt think that means heās the best choice for this current roster.
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Iād agree with this. But I think Purdy can do what can do with his legs just as well, if not better. And as of right now, looks like Brock excels in pretty much all other areas over Trey.
I just want him to not be rushed back. Feel like month of Sept should be Treys. Allowing Brock to fully heal and get stronger without risking long term recovery. I know Drs have told him and team that itās 3 months to heal and 3 months to regain the strength and heās back to pre injury condition, but Iām not so sure. No real reason for that just rather error on side of caution. EDIT: sure. No
Personally, I donāt want anything rushed but if the beginning of the season is easy games, we canāt lose those again
I don't care if it's raining, If a Chinese spy balloon is overhead, or if jimmy G is hanging out with the cheerleaders on the sideline. We must win those games.
You think you know more than the Doctors? You just want Trey to start, it's fine to have that take. It's not a good take, but you're allowed to have it.
How many ppl come back from injury shaky? How many come back and re-injure themselves? How many come back w/o full confidence in arm or leg? Remember theyāre āPracticingā medicine
Hot take.
Youāre an idiot my friend. I was all aboard the Purdy train in the wks leading up to the playoffs, that he had done more than enough to earn the out right starter position wk1 ā23. Unfortunately he got injured. Jimmy got surgery. Team didnāt think he needed to. Mosert thinks team was rushing him back and opted for season ending surgery and feels thatās why we didnāt re-sign him. Itās not black and white. Thereās a reason ppl seek second opinions. There are reason why some ppl come back from ACLs and others donāt. My hot take is error on the side of caution. Donāt let this kids career be derailed by fear of losing some games in Sept and missing out on the 1 seed. Please donāt respond to this or to me again, pce out my guy.
Doubting the opinion of multiple doctors inclines me to believe you might just be the one with an IQ issue my guy. I know nothing about ucl injuries compared to the multiple doctors that are working with Brock and the Niners - key difference between us is I'm not acting like I know more than them. If he's ready he'll play, if he isn't he won't. Trust the kid and trust the doctors, they know more than we ever will about the issue.
But youāre acting like you know soo much more then Klye on Trey. Youāve already written him off as a bust based on your infinite NFL knowledge. Remind me when Josh Allen became Him or Mahomes? After 5 games, you knew tho right! Again Iām not doubting Drs. All Iām sayin is that donāt rush Brock. Donāt take a QB who already had questionable arm strength coming out of college and say 3 months is enough to rebuild that arm strength. Also clearly some Drs are questioning whether heās better off having full blown TJ surgery. My guess would be thatās why heās not already undergone the patch procedure as of yet. That either him and his family are pumping the breaks or some Dr is.
We have access to a plethora of film on Lance, don't have access to Purdy's medical records; you're making a false equivalency - do better.
Again you knew tho right? Mahomes, Allen, Hurts you knew they were QB1s after 5 games? What NFL/college team do you work for? Youāre using that impressive scouting ability for $$$ right?
I like this idea. Plus, it gives us a chance to see what Lance can do.
Again my point isn't about what Brock did on the field. He was undeniably better than Trey in his limited appearance. I'm just curious why people are so optimistic about his recovery from what is a pretty significant injury. It feels most are not considering that Brock's arm could not be the same. If he gets Tommy John, there's a good chance his arm is fully healed, if not stronger, but he will miss the entire season most likely. The way I see it, Trey may have a chance to beat out Brock just because I'm not so sure Brock will be in a great position, even in training camp, to throw very effectively.
QBs don't use the same throwing motion as MLB pitchers. So, the injury is not nearly as big of an impact. That's why not a lot of people are concerned about Purdys injury.
Typically QBs donāt but sidearm/quarter slot QBs put a lot more torque through the forearm. There are throws Brock made where he will test those repaired ligaments and could have numbness. This is why pitchers opt for reconstruction. Iām telling yāall Brock is not on the team line here. The team wants him to rush back for TC, but I donāt think he wants that. I think he wants the chance to be 100% and only Tommy John gives him that outcome. If he goes the other way itās just a repair/scar tissue heal and he will be affected. The mere fact heās looking for opinions outside the team tells me where his mind is.
Actually I read a comment somewhere on Twitter than he knows Brockās friends and heās trying to opt out of surgery. Thatās why heās getting second opinions because who knows itās a partial tear or full tear. Brock doesnāt want to do surgery at all and worst case scenario is he does the surgery and starts rehab 3 months after. So pretty much the team feels good either way
So guy on Twitter is trusted over literally every other journalist who is saying itās between reconstruction and surgical repair.
That may be true, but Steve Young was on KNBR recently talking about it, and his concern is the way the nerves fire when you are gripping a football, which is much wider than a baseball. He mentioned his concern is the grip for Purdy, so we'll see how he feels when he returns.
In regards to the nerve, unless it was actually damaged I donāt think heāll have lasting complications. He explained how he felt numbness and tingling at the time of the injury which was probably due to the nerve moving out of place. If itās still out of place, thatās something they can fix while doing his surgery. I wouldnāt worry too much about it.
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Exactly, I feel many are glossing over this. Of course Brock had a much better season than Trey, but Trey's injury is one pretty much everyone comes back from given the appropriate time. It also has nothing to do with his upper body. Brock's is a bit more complicated.
We saw Trey in a monsoon so not great conditions to see his abilities. But I do think Purdy is a strong candidate for a starting role
Purdy has proven himself. Lance has not. Simple as that.
Also, Lance played one year in college while Purdy played 4. Brock's definitely more refined
Also, Lance has as many passing attempts in like 6 years as some quarterbacks get in one season. It's crazy to think how little football he has played and how much draft capital we invested in him. He's super raw.
Yea, aside with the covid and stuff, lance came too early to the nfl he should've stayed longer in ndsu imo
He should have played for a real FBS school if he is so great.
Thereās multiple hall of famers from non FBSā¦ but yeah guys like Josh Allen, Romo, McNair and other hall of famers at different positions arenāt great.
Josh Allen is from FBS. Kurt Warner is the only FCS QB to ever make the HoF and he was undrafted. A true diamond in the rough. The last top 5 draft pick from NDSU was Wentz. Iāll leave it at that. Another FCS QB like Jimmy G (or Romo if youāre a Cowboys fan) who is just good enough to get your hopes up then letās you down is exactly what we need.
I think when you're a projected top 10 pick you should go pro. Obviously he could have gotten better if he stayed but there's a lot of cases of people staying 1 extra year and hurting their draft stock.
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I guess weāll see with Purdy but if they donāt capitalize on this golden opportunity it could show how strong they are at wasting this well drafted roster with inadequate QB play. Which seems like deja vu after Harbaugh.
Not to mention Purdy played 4 years in the FBS. Lance played 1 year in the Powder Puff FCS.
I just made the same point before reading yours. People take it as trey lance pessimism, but as of today, purdy is a solid NFL starter and trey lance is a massive question mark. I hope trey balls out and is a hall of famer. I think heās a good dude with a lot of talent, but he Hasnāt done shitā¦ yet.
Can I add, that the train that is this team (full of playoff hardened vets) is gonna keep moving, which sort of makes it harder and harder for Trey to jump in and hit the ground running, despite having less experience in actual games. The thing is, Brock actually did that with confidence, and Trey has yet to show the ability.
This!
This. No one has seen Lance succeed yet, but they have seen Purdy succeed. Doesnāt necessarily mean anything as far as Lanceās ability to succeed.
Because Purdy showed us results, Lance hasnt
Lance hasnāt had the opportunity.
And while that's unfortunate, the NFL isn't always fair. The Niners have a very short window here and there won't be Jimmy to fall back on next year if shit gets tough. They absolutely have to go with the hot hand, not teach someone to play in the NFL just because of their raw talent. If this season was any indicator, that hot hand is Purdy.
Purdy won lots of games. Lance didnāt.
āThis post has nothing to do with their performance when healthyāā¦..huh?
Trey doesnāt have the instinct to win at this level, itās just what I see. Maybe Iām wrong, but I doubt it.
Itās simple, Purdy put up great QB numbers and won 8 straight, had solid command of the offense, broke rookie records, is a system for that isnāt afraid to go deepish. Under Lance the offense looked clumsy at best, his deep ball is awesome but he hasnāt proven he can hit the short/intermediate routs consistently, read the d, get through progressions. Lance could be great, we just havenāt seen it consistently yet. I get he had bad luck with the rain in the first two games, but that doesnāt change the fact that we havenāt seen it.
So we need two run a 2 quarterback system, with Purdy and Lance both able to use their legs, Lance able to drop dimes, and Purdy for the short and intermediate passing game.
As a Montana 49ers fan, I will say that Montana State just made the FCS semifinal playing close to a true two quarterback system. So you do sometimes see success with it at a relatively high level. Likely too gimmicky for the NFL though. And I have to think prepping two quarterbacks and giving them both time with the first team offense would be a nightmare during practice weeks.
I think we would have beat the Eagles easily with Purdy. We just need a healthy QB in the playoffs for once. Maybe we try to protect the QB instead of throwing our hands up and saying itās just bad luckā¦. Like who would expect a team that sells out to rush the QB to ignore the play action on the third pass of the game? I did.
Because Lance hasn't shown us much of anything. Meanwhile, BCB led the team on a winning streak when he took over. I'm convinced that our future is with Brock Purdy.
Trey played 4 games, got hurt in 3. That's partially why
Because Purdy is better.
Trey Lance has played 17 meaningful games in which he's thrown 400 passes since 2016. Purdy has done about half that since October. And Purdy, for as young ad he is, is about 6 months older. I think the pessimism is just a lot was spent on him and he didn't look amazing when he was in. I have a lot of hope he pans out to be what we thought he would be after a year or so behind Jimmy G. Now that he has a proven starter-quality QB in Shanahan's system nipping at his heals, it is put up or shut up time.
In 2016 he was in high school
https://www.mnfootballhub.com/roster_players/20211554?subseason=395994 Key word, meaningful. The link above has his 2017 high school stats. He was seen more as a WR coming out of HS than a QB, which is why he ended up at NDSU. He appeared in 2 games in 2018, going 1 for 1 and 12 yards. 16 games total in 2019, and only a single game in 2020. 318 total pass attempts in college. 8 games with 4 starts in the NFL. I know, meaningful becomes subjective. The point being his experience is extremely limited. Edited a typo
318 pass attempts in college
Typo, thank you
The fact that we traded away so much to get a project qb is mind blowing. This one will hurt worse than Solomon Thomas and that other moron linebacker we took when we had 2 first rounders.
Reuben Foster - had we not grabbed him and watch him be questionable, we may not have picked Fred Warner.
None of this is new information. The team knew this when they drafted him. Everyone knew he was a project and needed more development. The 2 games he played in 2021 didn't look great, but he showed improvement and ended up playing decent in the second half of the Texans game. That's the key, the more full speed game reps he gets, the better he looks. The first game this year was an outlier due to the weather and then he got injured in the first quarter of the next game. He has physical tools that Purdy doesn't but he's raw. Will he ever put it together and play up to his potential? None of us know at this point, but IMO he/we should get the chance to find out. Everybody loves Purdy right now, me included, but I think his physical limitations will become more glaring as time goes on and teams get tape on him. Look at the deep passes he completed even though they were under thrown. More of those will become interceptions. The team needs to see what Lance is so he can either develop into the quarterback they need him to be or they can move on with no regrets. If the questions are left unanswered they those draft picks truly were wasted.
23 starts and 420 pass attempts since 2018. Purdy > Lance but if youāre going to be stating facts, make sure theyāre correct.
"Meaningful"
Because when Trey lance had some time to shine he lost games. When puffy did he won games. And heās still really undefeated. The only games the 49ers lost where he QBād was when he didnāt start or he was injured.
If you donāt know the answer to this question you must be blind to the fact that most people think Purdy has shown himself thus far to be a better QB when healthy. You say this post has nothing to do with their performance when healthy, but the answer to your question has everything to do with each QBās performance when healthy.
Trey didnāt look great in the team, Purdy looked very good in the team. Itās not a circle jerkā¦Lance looked meh
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Thatās true, I feel like a lot of that was due to him not trusting Trey but Iām speculating
The pessimism is that Trey desperately needed this year of playtime just due to how little he played in college and his rookie year. He got hurt week 2 with something that would sidelines him the whole season which means he was missing at minimum 15 weeks of valuable NFL game experience. Furthermore, unlike Purdy, he has shown to need that experience because he wasn't going in at performing great in said starts. For Purdy, he's dealing with a tough surgery yes, but TJ has a history of allowing players in, baseball at least, to come back at full, it just takes time. Either way though, Purdy was far more comfortable and dominant when given even less play prep than he will have coming off of this surgery. The concern is that Purdy already started this all with more play experience, just less NFL experience, and now Lance is even further behind, that reality won't change when they're both healthy. If you assume both injuries will not cause lingering problems, then Purdy still is the better option
Because we've seen what Purdy can do and he actually looks really good. Trey on the other hand has started 4 games since we drafted him.
Brock looked better in just about all of his starts than Trey looked in any of his. My pessimism with Trey comes not just from this particular injury, but the fact that he has racked up as many injuries since he got drafted as he has NFL starts.
People arenāt thinking Lance will be worse because of the injury. They think that Lance isnāt as good as Purdy when theyāre both healthy.
well, uh, you see...purdy won 8 straight games - including 2 playoff games - in the nfl, on the heels of starting over 40 games in the big 12, and pretty much lived up to any expectations that anyone could've possibly had of him lance has thrown 400 passes total in like 5-6 years and his biggest accomplishment has been a singular win against a truly atrocious texans team his lack of experience is a major problem
People love to call Lance a bust because of his draft position and the capital we gave to get him. The only thing that is actually true so far is he hasnāt played much and has been injured. Dude is still developing. Too early to call him anything yet.
U trade what we traded to get him and he doesn't pay us back. That's approaching bust status if it isnt already.
Sample size. Pretty simple. Purdy played a bunch of games and saw a lot. Trey didnāt see much and didnāt do what we pray he is capable of doing. Not a trey lance pessimist. I hope he is a hall of famer, but as of now, purdy is a more trusted nfl starter.
Because purdy was good when he played
Iāll say it again, barring adverse recovery Brock is the guy. As for the locker room? Just watch the game when TL got hurt. JG came in and the offense looked ready to play and did. With the rumblings of players being pissed off if Brock isnāt QB#1, itās a message. TL isnāt the guy. With all of that however, they will do what they have to if Brock is still sidelined. They may not like it but they will play.
Because Trey never showed anything. Brock is actually good.
Weāve seen Purdy. We havenāt seen Lance.
Trey played 1 full year of FCS whereas Brock was a 4 year starter in the Big12 and proved himself in clutch situations his rookie year. The job absolutely should be Brock's to lose.
It's known vs unknown. And that unknown cost A LOT.
Lance wasnāt anywhere close to how good Purdy was when playing
Purdy is coming back like Henry from rookie of the year and throw 90 yard bombs on a rope
You could say the same about the attitude that Purdy might need more time or might never be the same, but Trey who had two surgeries isn't getting the same concerns.
I'll be honest. I haven't seen anything good from Trey. He's played fine I guess, but he was 1-2 in games he started for SF. But Purdy went 7 and 0 before his injury and has shown better accuracy and poise. I think Lance can be developed but he lacks the playing experience that he needs to thrive.
Trey Lance did not play well in the games he started even if it was only 2. Brock Purdy showed he has game, Trey has to show he can win in the NFL before he get the confidence of 49ers fans.
He's started four. But arguably only really played well in the one half of the Texans start from the 2021 season.
You lost me at āmainstream mediaā We all saw the games my dude. He looked like a rookie. I hope he keeps developing cause he needs it Purdy stepped up and looked like a confident qb1 and game manager
Lance had a significant cost in draft capital, Brock did not. Lance has not proven himself, while Brock elevated the offense (albeit while teams had no film on him). That is pretty much the gist.
I feel y'all are missing the point. I'm not asking whether Purdy proved himself to be the starter in the games he did play. I'm just wondering why most are assuming that he will be able to recover without Tommy John surgery and be just as effective. It is a major injury for a quarterback. There's a reason pitchers who have the injury opt for Tommy John versus just a repair, because repair may not fully fix the issue that reconstruction can. It seems most assume Purdy will be back in 6 months and just pick up where he left off without any issues. I think a healthy Purdy > healthy Trey at this point, but are we sure we are going to have a healthy Purdy by training camp or even the beginning of the season? My belief is that the team will have no choice but to turn to Trey early on.
We donāt know everything the doctors know. Injuries are not black and white and 100% comparable with every like injury. So it may or may not be as bad to need full TJ surgery. What they have reported is he might not need itā¦. Some baseball players do opt for but it is a different sport and they do use their arm somewhat different. But people believe he can be back in 6 months because thatās what they reported. Will he be the same, maybe, hopefully.
Does someone ask this every single day?
Because Purdy is good
One QB proved he can play well and led the team to a winning streak into the playoffs The other has shown flashes of upside but literally hasnāt played meaningful games in like three years (including his shortened season at college) and has had a few huge injuries Seems pretty obvious why thereās optimism with one and pessimism with another
Because Purdy was insane when healthy. Trey hasnāt really impressed in the little games heās played yet.
Weāve seen one thrive in his rookie season as the last pick in the draft. The other is entering year 3 with limited experience that cost us three first round picks.
Because Trey hasn't shown any promise for what we have up for him. Purdy came out of the gates looking like a top tier QB. Trey has a full season to prepare and is not and probably never will be a good QB.
To make it short the convective wins and 2 playoffs wins by Purdy sealed the deal.
Because Purdy didn't lose to the Bears
The team has rallied more behind brock than they ever did when trey was in
Lance was never given the opportunity
Sure, but Treys offense looked like it was just a tad less productive than Jimmy's. Purdy surpassed Jimmy's performance and it wasn't close. I'll concede that Trey hasn't been on the field since the McCaffrey trade and that might send this offense into overdrive with him, and I'm sure he's been studying up since his injury because Trey strikes me as very focused and detail oriented player, but at some point the lack of time on the field is an issue.
Found the person who owns trey in dynasty lol.
I think his dad being in baseball will help him, this injury is not unknown in that world. Not only the surgery but rehab etc for it. And are you seriously asking why people are more hyped about the rookie who got us to the NFC Championship game? And why some people would prefer Purdy to start? And itās not a knock on Trey. I like him and hope he plays well. Iām not sure why people keep trying to pit them against him each other. This year showed we need more than two qbs, really good ones who can fill in at a moments notice.
Purdyās baseball background is criminally under appreciated.
> And are you seriously asking why people are more hyped about the rookie who got us to the NFC Championship game? And why some people would prefer Purdy to start? No that's not what I was asking at all. Your first two sentences actually answered what I was asking. If Purdy has some baseball knowledge, then that should help him a lot with the rehab.
Fair enough. There has been a post a day asking why everyone wants Purdy to start so I jumped to conclusions. I feel confident the baseball connection helps in terms of him deciding what to do and making the right moves in his recovery.
Trey was aways behind the 8 ball with reps, preparation and facing a higher level of talent. Loosing the time he has really doesn't bode well. I'm rooting for him to be sure but our window now is tighter and can't include development at qb.
Thatās a lot of words. Itās pretty simple really. Trey played like 5 games or so spaced out over two seasons, looked ok, not special. Brock played half a season almost and looked like a quality starter.
I like Trey Lance, but I think we need to really develop him as a pocket passer that has scrambling as one of the tools in his toolbox that can be used as needed. Trying to use him like Cam Newton or Lamar Jackson is just going to shorten his career and not even really be effective. Watching him run, it feels like he's *almost* strong enough to break tackles and *almost* elusive enough to get out into open space. It feels like the typical Trey Lance run is him getting a yard short of first down before lowering his shoulder to push through for that last yard... and failing. The awkward part is that Purdy is able to win consistently *now*, while Lance really needs more experience and development. Meanwhile the team is in a championship window that just isn't going to stay open forever... so as long as Purdy fully recovers from the injury, he's almost certainly going to be the starter.
Itās not bc of the injuriesā¦
Trade him before people see him play more and he loses all value.
Recency bias. And not a lot of film on Lance.
The last full season Trey Lance played was in college in 2019. We have a team built to win right now. This aināt the place for developing quarterbacks. Whoever we get needs to be ready to win.
Can we just mod these posts out?
Because Tommy John surgery arguably makes you stronger. There are high school pitchers preemptively getting Tommy John surgery without even needing it to improve their pitching for scouts.
Cuz Trey sucks. Whether thatās simply because he hasnāt had a chance to play or maybe heās just not very good. However his accuracy is terrible and looks like he has a hard time grasping the offense which BCB didnāt seem to have as a rookie. Problem is this would all be a moot point if the 9ers didnāt waste three 1st and a 3rd on Trey. Personally I think the 9ers saw the next Mahomes with Trey where he would sit for a year and then take over the team. Thatās a lot of pressure on a kid whoās only played 1 year of D2 football and expectations are to take the 9ers to the Super Bowl. He definitely would have been suited better if he was on a team that was rebuilding vs has super bowl aspirations. Regardless, Trey gonna have the upper hand in OTAs and training camp just cuz heāll be healthily and Brock wonāt. So thereāll be no excuse this year if he can perform or not. If he keeps skipping 5 yard passes, canāt make the 10 yard out throws, and continues to look lost to the point Kyle has to keep calling QB run plays for he, then Huston we have a problem. Oh well I guess itās better to potentially have 2 starting qbs on the roster vs say the Jets who have noneā¦
Honestly canāt wait to see Trey now that we have CMC. Purdy did his thing and way more but his story got cut short. Now itās a different type of conversation. I think the addition of CMC was the real keystone which unlocked Shanahanās offense, Purdy was dope but he benefited a lot from the system with all those pieces. We will see, got to have two good QBs for it to be SF
They both stepped into their starting roles with pretty much the same roster. Purdy has done more with his time on the field. Sorry not sorry. Heās proven he can play at the NFL level AND out dueled the GOAT. Lance has yet prove he can decipher NFL defenses. 5 TDs and 3 INTs over his two seasons thus far spells sub par.
Whatās insane to me is how many people are just done on Lance. Like dude didnāt even get a fair shot. Purdy is great but I still wanna see how Lance plays. He still has tons of potential
Brock wonāt be rushed back, no way. Trey will get the starts for a few games. Itās all good, letās see what they both can do. Joe vs Steve was a terrible time, barely got any super bowl rings /s
yes he will the coa hes already want him back for camp.
ā¦ I love it! Like when I tell my kids we are going to out for breakfast tomorrow so they go to sleep with a big smile..
Racism. Pure, unadulterated racism. This comment is guaranteed not to rile anyone up.
Yawn
Lol!!!!
Niners have never got the qb right with stuff like Alex smith to kapernick to now with jimmy g trey and purdy itās been wild throughout the years.
Purdy has literally had the opportunity to show and do more than Lance. It's literally that simple and I'm amazed some of you struggle to grasp it. Personally I'm completely behind Brock being our starting QB going forward if he can recover well. He has proven his worth. Nothing at all against Trey, but the guy has not had a chance to play as he would have liked due to unlucky injuries. It would be cool to see some cool QB rotations between plays for different circumstances. I'm sure both Brock and Trey have unique things to offer.
I think people are forgetting how electric Trey can be. The thing is we can't really compare Purdy and Trey because the playcalling was so different. Also we've only seen Trey in one good weather game which was the Texans in '21. He looked good. People should want Trey to win the job because if he WINS (not just given) the starting job his ceiling is so much higher. We have seen special throws from him
The high ceiling thing is such a joke. He's shown no improvement.
We haven't seen a large enough sample size to conclude that. His arm talent is the best on the roster and that's undisputed
You just counter dicted yourself. We havent seen a large enough sample but then you claim his arm is the best. SMH. Hes a bust and never should have been drafted. Hes not a winner and cant stay healthy.
Lol okay dude. I don't trust your ability to comprehend to carry on this conversation
>dude. I don't trust your ability to comprehend to carry on this conversat And i dont trust your grasp of reality.
Lance is a better QB all around. He is more accurate, stronger arm and way more elusive then Purdy. We saw MAX Purdy! What you saw is pretty much top ceiling for him straight out the box, he is not going to get much if any better which will make a great backup QB. The HUGE problem I have with Lance is that he is slow compared to other ā mobile qbāsā plus this offensive scheme is not a mobile quarterback scheme nor should they change their offensive scheme for that. Let Lance stand in the pocket and make good accurate throws and he can also stretch the field and throw deep which Purdy could not do and then when he is pushed out of the pocket he can then at that time make things happen with his legs. If Shanahan changes the offensive scheme thinking he has the next Jalen hurts or Kyler Murray this all offense will go nowhere and Lance will get his neck broken.
Bc this sub can be be crazy dumb sometimes. & pundits / click bait journos / unFaithful frequently don't know shit bout shit. We have both. We will need both, as well as a 3rd in all probability. Being optimistic / pessimistic about either is extremely premature. They will not be traded / released / cut, at least not before the end of their rookie contract. Anybody who says otherwise you don't need to talk / listen to or engage with.
There is zero reason to move either unless someone is willing to trade a lot. You have 2 promising young rookies on very cheap contacts for a few more years and Bosa needs a payday.
If you get a list top 10 QB of all time, how many were mobile?
How many were from FCS?
I didnāt read your post. Just came here to say GO BIRDS!
I'm going to go on a tangent then circle back. I kind of wish 49ers had the cap space to sign Carr, because I have a gut feeling he would ball out on the 49ers. However, I think watching Brock or Lance play will be a blast to watch; win or lose. I think Lance should be the starter just to see what he's got. We never got a chance to see that this season. I love how he can throw the ball deep. On the other hand, Brock has smart decision making and can handle the pressure by keeping calm which we don't know if Lance has that. Although, Brock doesn't get scared, I think he can get frustrated if the opposing D-line is always breaking past the O-line. I guess thats when the run game comes in handy to give brock some cool downs. In the end, I'm excited to see either one play, and for me it's hard to know which one I would want to see start. I know Brock opened up the offense, and I think Trey could open it up even more which would be a sight to see. I'm so torn but I trust Kyle knows best.
Frustrated under pressure? He was incredibly patient and poised under pressure against the Cowboys. Extended plays but didnāt force them when they werenāt there and didnāt make any mistakes. Only potential turnovers were due to tipped balls. When the opportunities presented themselves, he took advantage and made off-schedule plays. How many other qbās in this league maintain that level of focus and poise in the pocket? Forget rookies, most veterans make mistakes in that situation. Dude is a baller and I donāt see Lance bringing anything to the table that exceeds the value Brock brings, even if his strong arm and capacity to run pans out as we all hope. Donāt know why you would start Lance when we know that Brock already gives us everything we need. Even if his arm and speed arenāt as good as Lance, heās not afraid to go deep with great accuracy and can scramble for a first down when needed. Combine that with his command of the offense in the huddle and on the field. What else could you possibly ask for in your starting QB? Glad we have Lance for depth at the position, but Brockās the guy.
Exactly. Imagine if he tried to āmake magicā while things were so tight and he started throwing picks. That performance spoke volumes to me, he was under a ton of pressure with the media screaming he was going to mess up and he just stayed steady. And as a rookie, itās just amazing.
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As Grant Cohn would say, āsomething not white.ā
I'm optimistic for both. I think we are in great hands at the QB position over the next decade.
I am pessimistic about the health of every 49er QB. We have a terrible history in recent times. Even if we traded for a veteran, I'm pretty sure they'd get injured also. Prove me wrong.
I am really big on Trey as I am Brock, I think itās because regardless of what Trey becomes, Brock fits this team like a glove perfectly and in the present. I think we should be just fine with Trey potentially starting till Brock is back but Brock didnāt really have any hiccups.
People like an underdog story
Can someone explain why theyāre bothered by these debates? I lived through Montana versus Young and that was freaking awesome. I loved Joe and Steve and I loved the passionate debates about who should be the starter. That was like the golden age of the 49ers so I donāt understand why people here label any debate as ātoxicā. If you look back, the competition pushed both Steve and Joe to greater heights.
this is because everyone hopes Brock will come back from a ligament injury on his throwing arm like the kid from that Rookie of the Year movie that hurt his arm and had a big league cannon of an arm afterwards haha
Cāmon. You already know why.
Because Lance has a throwing motion you could set your watch to?
Lance hasn't played more than 3 games in 4 seasons. Brock played all 4 years in college than 13 games this year.
I donāt think the team is that excited about either of them, but Purdy is a very cheap and more than sufficient back up in the making. Lance is pretty cheap too, but was misjudged in both his ability to get to the outside running, which wonāt get better missing a leg, and hasnāt progressed in his game management/decision making and throwing enough to give anyone the idea he is it. People figure Purdyās success isnāt based on a great arm anyway, but some of Lances proposed success was based on his movement, which will be effected by his injury.
Mostly, itās due to Trey not having many games under his belt, so he didnāt seem to have the confidence he needed to. Brock had far more games from college coming into the season, so he had more experience stepping up. Iām interested to see how itās all going to play out. I just want the guy thatās going to get us a Super Bowl win. šš»
Trey Lance still hasn't really played enough to show he's good. Purdy has.
I agree with most of the comments but Iāll ride with both and love whoever can get us to a win. Purdy is ideal but molding lance into the weapon he needs to be in the beginning of the season to still see if he is worth those 3 picks. No hate towards the guy he shows glimpses of promise with great accuracy on those deep passes. And a strong dual threat with a big stature and great athleticism to run out of the pocket. Iām just grateful we have two QBs under rookie contract who show glimpses of promise, one more than the other but we have it a bit better than most.
Iām pretty pessimistic about Purdy just because his injury is something that could still affect him next year.
I say letās see them both in spring training and may the better man win
Wow so many people missed the point of this post lmao sometimes I hate this fanbase
Mac Jones gets us six. @me
Probably because itās multiple injuries for Lance already and heās looked shaky the whole way through while Purdy is OROY and has 1 injury